Dec 21, 2021 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER.]

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>> SPEAKER: WE WILL OPEN TONIGHT AUBURN CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR DECEMBER 21, 2021. NANCY ROLL CALL?

(ROLL CALL) >> SPEAKER: WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR MOMENT OF SILENCE. (RECITAL OF PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE) >> SPEAKER: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. (SILENCE)

>> SPEAKER: PLEASE BE SEATED. UNDER ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT

[4. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS.]

I CERTAINLY WANT TO ECHO WHAT MS. WITTEN SAID AND THANK YOU JEFF WITTEN -- JEFF CLARY FOR THE SERVICE OF THE WATER BOARD FOR TWO FULL TERMS. WE ALSO HAD A BLEEPING ON OUR REDISTRICTING PLAN TO THIS POINE REDISTRICTING PLAN.

THIS IS GIVING BY A GUEST. HE STILL WITH US TONIGHT.

JUST A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS I HAVE.

THIS PAST WEEK I WAS INVITED AND ATTENDED CHRISTMAS PARTIES HELD BY OUR PUBLIC SAFETY UNITS FROM OUR FIRE AND POLICE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME BUT HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO HAVE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT PROTECT US EACH AND EVERY DAY AND HOW GREAT IT WAS TO BE AROUND THEIR FAMILIES FOR LITTLE WHILE. THOSE ARE SOME VERY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY BRAVE AND TO SEE THE HOPE AND HAPPINESS THAT ARE IN THEIR HEART AND THEY ARE ALL VERY PROUD TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY AND I JUST IT WAS GREAT TO BE WITH THEM AND SHARE A LITTLE TIME WITH THEM.

YESTERDAY WE HAD A JOB FAIR AT THE VILLAGE MALL AND THEY WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE LEADERSHIP OF THE VILLAGE MALL FOR HOSTING HOPE FOR THE HOLIDAYS JOB FAIR. MS. CROUCH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD SOMEONE WHO COULD GIVE US A SMALL REPORT ON HOW THAT WENT.

>> SPEAKER: DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A REPORT OR SHOULD I PROVIDE INFORMATION? WE HAD WORKED THROUGH OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AUBURN TRAINING CONNECTION EFFORT TO HAVE A JOB FAIR AT THE AUBURN MALL AND WHOLE PROPERTY GROUPS SPENT BEEN A LONGTIME PARTNER OF THE CITY IT IS UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO DO THIS. THEY MADE AN EXCEPTION SO THAT WE COULD TRY TO FIND A REALLY GOOD ACCESSIBLE PLACE, BUSY AT THE HOLIDAYS AND PEOPLE COULD ALSO MAYBE SHOP AUBURN AT THE SAME TIME WHILE PLAYING FOR JOB. WE HAD ABOUT 110 PEOPLE FROM ENGINEERS TO CUSTOMER SERVICE WORKERS COME THROUGH.

WE HAD ABOUT TEN OF OUR LOCAL COMPANIES THERE, MANY LEFT WITH INTERVIEWS FOR NEW EMPLOYMENT. AND OUR EMPLOYERS WERE VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH THE HIGH-CALIBER OF LOCATION BECAUSE IT IS USUALLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT RATHER THAN COMING TO WORK FOR CENTER. IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE THING AT THE HOLIDAYS AND WE ALSO HAD SOME RESTAURANTS AND RETAILERS AND OTHER FOLKS THERE TOO. WE -- VERY HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE AND WERE THANKFUL FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY GROUP TO ALLOW THE USE

OF THE MALL TO DO THIS. >> SPEAKER: I JUST WANT TO WISH OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR AND HOPE THAT EVERYBODY SAFE IN THEIR TRAVELS AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A BLESSED AND WONDERFUL TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

ANY OF ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> SPEAKER: THE COST TO THE CITY FOR THE DIXON VERSUS CITY OF AUBURN LAWSUIT IS $41,260 $0.51 AS OF 30 NOVEMBER.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF FACT LIKE ALL THE PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT ON THIS TOPIC AND IS PRESENTED

WITHOUT COMMENT OR OPINION. >> SPEAKER: ANYONE ELSE ON THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR INVITING ME OUT TO EAT WITH THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AN AMAZING EVENT AND THE FOOD WAS WHEN I SAY ABSOLUTELY GREAT, IT WAS GREAT. I JUST WANT TO REMIND MS. TO REGISTER THAT HIS WIFE SAID I COULD HAVE THAT RECIPE FOR THE CORN CASSEROLE SO DID YOU BRING IT TONIGHT? (LAUGHTER) AND ALSO I WANT TO THANK MR. AL DAVIS FOR OPENING UP THE BOYKIN COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE SCOUTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY WE HAD A CHRISTMAS PARTY FOR THEM YESTERDAY AND IT WAS A SUCCESS. WE HAD THE STAGE DECORATED LIKE THE NORTH POLL. WE HAD THE AUDIENCE AREA DECORATED AS CANDYLAND. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL OCCASION AND THOSE KIDS REALLY ENJOYED IT AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. DAVIS, FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO

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MOST OF THESE KIDS ARE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES AND SO THAT, WE HAVE A SANTA CLAUS THERE AND THERE WAS LOT OF GIFTS GIVEN AWAY. EACH CHILD RECEIVED AT LEAST FOUR GIFTS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO DONATED SOME OF THOSE GIFTS AND IT WAS JUST A WONDERFUL EVENT.

YOU REALLY FULFILLED SOME CHILDREN'S' HEART YESTERDAY.

[5. AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS.]

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT? WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS. I WILL HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE WEREN'T INSPECTING YOU TONIGHT -- EXPECTING YOU.

>> SPEAKER: HI EVERYONE. ABBIE WAS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO. BUT I SAID I WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM BIRMINGHAM FOR A MINUTE. SPEAKING OF BIRMINGHAM THE BOWL IS NEXT WEEK ON THE 28TH SO BIRMINGHAM DAY.

COOL TO SEE AUBURN IN MY HOMETOWN.

NOT MUCH GOING ON. Y'ALL PROBABLY NOTICE THE QUIET.

MUST BE NICE. NOT A LOT OF CROWDS.

AND WE HAVE THE MEN'S BASKETBALL GAME TOMORROW.

I THINK IT STARTS AT FIVE. THE DOORS OPEN AT 3:30.

ANOTHER ONE NEXT WEDNESDAY WE ARE PLAYING LSU.

THE LAST I WANTED TO MENTIONED WARREN BRADFORD SHE IS AUBURN ALUMNAE ALUMNI AND MS. ALABAMA PRETTY JUST ONE HER FIRST RUNNER-UP AT MISS AMERICA. WE LOVE TO SEE AUBURN ALUMNI DOING GREAT THINGS. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. LOVE GETTING TO AUBURN WHEN I

CAN. >> SPEAKER: BE CAREFUL GOING HOME. WE DID NOTICE THE STUDENTS ARE HERE. WE MISS YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO

[6. CITIZENS’ COMMUNICATIONS ON AGENDA ITEMS.]

THIS IS JUST ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

THERE ARE NUMBER OF THINGS IN OUR GENDER THAT WE WILL HAVE OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WAIT UNTIL THAT TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL REGARDING THAT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

>> SPEAKER: (INDISCERNIBLE) DEPARTMENT 111 FOR THE COMMENTS I'M MAKING HERE ARE NOT RELATED TO THE REDISTRICTING PLAN.

THEY ARE RELATED TO SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT RELATED TO THE BOYKIN-DONAHUE PROJECT.

I ADDED UP ALL OF THE MONEY WHILE YOU WERE AT THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND I THINK THE TOTAL WAS $2,614,091.

THAT HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THESE PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED LIBRARY, THE PROPOSED CULTURAL CENTER, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY A POOL IS NOW A SPLASH PAD, FROM WHAT I READ.

AND OTHER ITEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILWOMAN TAYLOR FOR HER LEADERSHIP, NOT ONLY AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO HER LEADERSHIP IN HEADING THE NORTHWEST AUBURN TASK FORCE AND FROM THE PEOPLE THERE WHO HAVE PUT INPUT INTO THESE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED, I'M SURE THIS IS JUST A START, I KNOW.

I DON'T LIVE IN NORTHWEST AUBURN IN THAT DISTRICT, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIMES. I'M SORRY I MISSED THE PARTY YESTERDAY. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL TONIGHT. I'M GLAD EVERYBODY WAS THERE.

>> SPEAKER: IT WAS -- IT WASN'T A PUBLIC THING IT WAS FOR OUR

SCOUTS. >> SPEAKER: THANKFULLY, THAT'S GOOD THAT THE SCOUTS WERE THE GUESTS OF HONOR.

THE CANDYLAND AND ALL THAT. THAT WAS SWEET.

I THINK I SAW -- I SHOULD ALSO THANK MR. DAVIS FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT. I'M SURE PRETTY MUCH.

THE REASON WHY I MENTION THIS ALSO IS BECAUSE LAST YEAR WHEN I WAS MORE ACTIVE IN THE NORTHWEST AUBURN TASK FORCE BEFORE COVID-19, MR. LB JACKSON HAD ASKED ME TO LOOK INTO FIGURES AS TO HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY IS SPENDING ON PLACES LIKE BOYKIN.

HOPEFULLY TONIGHT, MISTER JACKSON AND OTHERS WILL BE SATISFIED THAT SOME MONEY IS BEING ALLOCATED.

AND ALSO ANOTHER ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA I NOTICED CONCERNING THE RELOCATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES.

I KNOW IT HAS A RECYCLING CENTER BECAUSE I GO THERE ALL THE TIME TO RECYCLE. I AM PRETTY MUCH INTERESTED IN WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE IMPACT OF -- OR A NEW -- WHERE A NEW RECYCLING CENTER WOULD GO AND WHAT IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE RECYCLING EFFORTS HERE IN AUBURN.

THE CITY, I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN THAT AND AS A RECYCLER, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO MY PART.

>> SPEAKER: HOPEFULLY YOU WILL SEE NO IMPACT BECAUSE IT WILL BE

RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. >> SPEAKER: WHERE FLEET SERVICES IS NOW AND WE MAINTAIN OUR VEHICLES IT WILL MOVE ACROSS

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THE STREET. >> SPEAKER: GOOD.

SO I WON'T HAVE TO WALK FROM ONE SIDE OF TOWN TO THE OTHER IN ORDER TO DO RECYCLING. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: WHO WILL BE NEXT?

[8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA.]

>> SPEAKER: FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA EPIC AS ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WAS TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DEAL WITH THAT ITEM INDIVIDUALLY?

>> SPEAKER: MR. GRISWOLD? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE 8C.

>> SPEAKER: >> SPEAKER: EIGHT E2.

AND EIGHT E4. >> SPEAKER: WOULD LIKE TO

REMOVE 8A FROM THE MINUTES. >> SPEAKER: ANYONE ELSE?

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE 8E, SIX, EIGHT, TEN, 11.

>> SPEAKER: EIGHT ELEPHANTS, TEN AND 11, MS. TAYLOR?

>> SPEAKER: SIX,. >> SPEAKER: SIX, TEN, 11.

ANYONE ELSE? TOMMY, YOU NEED ANYTHING? (LAUGHTER) CITY MANAGER?

>> SPEAKER: ITEM EIGHT TO A AS THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 7,

2020, WHEN MEETING. >> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

DISCUSSION, MR. DIXON? >> SPEAKER: I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT MAYOR ANDERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER PARSONS RESPONDED TO MS. WILKINS. THAT THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD TO THE MINUTES. IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT WAS THERE.

>> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS >> SPEAKER: THAT WAS DURING THE

CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. >> SPEAKER: ITEM 12.

>> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER ADDITIONS?

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AND HE OPPOSED? MINUTES CARRY FORTH.

WITH COMMENT. >> SPEAKER: NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 8E2 -- 8C. ITEM EIGHT SEE ANNUAL UPDATES TO

THE ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL. >> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

MR. GRISWOLD? >> SPEAKER: UNDER THE TRAFFIC CALMING SECTION OF THAT, IT CHANGES THE PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN REVIEW. SO IF SOMETHING IS REEVALUATED, IT'S CHANGED FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO YEARS.

THE SAME THING UNDER REEVALUATION -- A COUPLE PARAGRAPHS OVER IT CHANGES FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO FOR REEVALUATION I WOULD LIKE THAT TO REMAIN AT ONE YEAR TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC THE MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> SPEAKER: DO YOU NEED A PAGE NUMBER?

>> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL? ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION OR THOUGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DIVE A BIT DEEPER INTO JUST YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT OR WAS YOUR X-PLAY SHE GAVE?

>> SPEAKER: ON PAGE 3-1, MARTIN RED, IT WAS NOT FOUND TO BE WARRANTED THAT REEVALUATION REQUEST MAYBE ONLY REVIEWED AFTER A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR CHANGING IT TO TWO YEARS.

FOR SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION.

I BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THAT AT -- I WON'T SAY THE PUBLIC. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THAT AT ONE YEAR SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REASSESS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IN THEIR LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THE SAME RATIONALE APPLIES ON PAGE 3-7, PARAGRAPH 352.

>> SPEAKER: CITY MANAGER, DO YOU MIND ASKING WHAT THE RATIONALE OF MOVING FROM ONE YEAR TO TWO YEARS?

>> SPEAKER: I WILL HAVE THE CITY ENGINEER FRAZIER RESPOND TO THE RATIONALE. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE CLEAR WHY IT SAYS ONE YEAR RIGHT NOW THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES IN MY TENURE AND UNDER THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER WILL BE REEVALUATED IN UNDER A YEAR. THOSE ALSO DIDN'T MEET THE MANUAL CRITERIA. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN. THE CITY ENGINEER CAN APPEAL ANYTHING TO HER AND SHE ALSO WORKS FOR THE CITY MANAGER WHO LIKES TO ASK HER TO DO THINGS ANYWAY.

BUT THERE ARE SOMETIMES CHANGING CONDITIONS IN THE AREA AND THIS

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SOMETIMES WE HAVE ALSO HAD A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS SAY YOU DID THE ACCOUNTS AND THE XYZ SECTION BETWEEN THESE ADDRESSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT SPOT.

WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE HAVE DONE THAT. LET ME HAVE CITY ENGINEER FRAZIER ADDRESS WHY HE CHANGED FROM ONE TO TWO YEARS AND THEN WE WILL TAKE FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. THE MAIN REASON IS WHAT WE FOUND IS MOST OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING, WE'VE BEEN GETTING SOME REQUESTS THAT HAVE COME IN YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THE CONDITIONS HAVE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED AND THE RESULTS DON'T CHANGE. IT IS JUST AN EFFORT TO LEAD TO SPACE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE CONDITIONS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO CHANGE, AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO THE SAME EXERCISE EVERY SINGLE YEAR. AS MACON MENTIONED IN SOME CASES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR CONDITIONS THAT WOULD WARRANT THE TRAFFIC CALMING.

IT'S REALLY JUST AN EXERCISE AND SOMETIMES CITIZENS ARE VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THE THINGS AREN'T WARRANTED BUT THE CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING ENOUGH WITHIN A YEAR.

>> SPEAKER: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE

COUNCIL? >> SPEAKER: I WAS GOING TO SAY, SHOULD WE LEAVE IT TO WHERE THERE IS FLEXIBILITY THERE IF WE ARE HAVING SOME SITUATIONS WHERE IT MAY BE LESS IN THE AIR BECAUSE OF CONDITIONS, AND THEN YOU ARE SAYING A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE NOT CHANGED AFTER A YEAR, BUT SHOULD BE ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY AS OPPOSED TO A TWO-YEAR HARD LINE?

>> SPEAKER: IN PRACTICALITY, IF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS REQUESTING IT AND IT IS OUTSIDE THE TIME FRAME, WE HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE LIKELY TO CONTACT YOU AND YOU CONTACT ME.

WE LOOK AT THIS AND USUALLY WE PROCEED.

IF YOU WANT THAT FORMALLY WRITTEN, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE HOW ABOUT LET'S REMOVE THIS FOR TONIGHT, MOVE THE REST OF THE MANUAL CHANGES FORWARD AND WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH JUST THAT SECTION. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THE COUNCIL COULD DO AND IT GIVES US SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OR NOT AT ALL BUT IT LEAVES IT WHERE IT

IS TODAY. >> SPEAKER: SO PROCEDURALLY

WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. >> SPEAKER: YOU WOULD REMOVE TO COUNCIL GRISWOLD POINT, THE 3.11 AND THEN -- OR YOU CAN SAY THE CHANGES COUNCILPERSON GRISWOLD REMOVED, YOU JUST AMEND IT AND

REMOVE, YOU CAN ALSO. >> SPEAKER: IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO LEAVE IT AT ONE?

>> SPEAKER: LEAVE IT AT ONE. >> SPEAKER: WE WILL COME OUT -- COME BACK BUT NOT TO HOLD UP THE REST OF THE MANUAL CHANGES BY POSTPONING UNTIL WE DO. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LEAVE THOSE TWO AREAS HE POINTED OUT AT ONE YEAR AND WE WILL COME BACK IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO EXPLAINING THIS FURTHER TO SEE WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH IT IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE

COUNCIL. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND AND WE ARE IN DISCUSSION.

WORD WE NEED TO GO FROM HERE? DO WE NEED AN AMENDMENT OR DO WE

NEED -- >> SPEAKER: YOU WILL AMENDED TO REMOVE THE REFERENCES TO TRAFFIC CALMING OF TWO YEARS.

>> SPEAKER: SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, MR. GRISWOLD.

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION THAT THE ITEMS IN PARAGRAPH 3.1 AND 3.52 THAT REFER TO ONE YEAR VERSUS TWO YEARS FOR REVIEW OF TRAFFIC

CALMING, BE DELETED. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: REMAIN AS IS, AT ONE YEAR.

>> SPEAKER: REMAIN AS IS. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: WITH MOTION AND SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: ON THE AMENDMENT. >> SPEAKER: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AND HE OPPOSED? THE AMENDMENT CARRIES.

NOW WE STILL HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AND YOU POSED? THE BALANCE CARRIES.

>> SPEAKER: ITEM 82 DAVIS ARCHITECTS INC. FOR THE BOYKIN-DONAHUE CAMPUS SPLASH PAD AND RECREATION PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,091,000 PER THE DESIGN CONTRACT INCLUDES SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTATION FORMULATION AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATION.

THE RECREATION CENTER SCOPE INCLUDES TWO FULL-SIZE BASKETBALL COURTS, FITNESS SPACE, LOCKER ROOMS, AND RESTROOMS AND CLASSROOM SPACE AND FUTURE PLANS FOR AN EIGHT

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LANE INDOOR POOL. >> SPEAKER: DO HAVE A MOTION?

>> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. MR. GRISWOLD, I BELIEVE YOU

ASKED FOR THIS TO BE REMOVED. >> SPEAKER: I DID.

BECAUSE THE CITY HAS HAD SO MUCH PUBLIC INPUT ON SWIMMING POOLS IN GENERAL, I ASK THAT WE DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE STAND ON POOLS, WHETHER THEY BE HERE OR AT THE OTHER FACILITIES.

AND ALSO, WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SPLASH PAD THAT

IS BEING VOTED ON? >> SPEAKER: IT IS ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU ARE LOOKING DOWN IT WILL TAKE THE SPLASH PAD FIRST. IT SHOWS AND YOU CAN SEE AND I WILL GET TO THE ITEM TO GET TO THE NUMBER.

SHOWS AN OUTDOOR SWIMMING POOL. IT WOULD BE IN THAT LOCATION.

OVER ALL WITH THE SWIMMING POOLS, AS I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU AND BECKY WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, VIA THE WRONG LOCATION, ALLISON? DID YOU MOVE THE LOCATION?

>> SPEAKER: (INDISCERNIBLE) THE SPLASH PAD HAS BEEN MOVED OVER CLOSER TO THE GREEN SPACE AREA THAT IS NEAR THE LIBRARY.

>> SPEAKER: SO IT IS NOT IN THE RECREATION CENTER? THIS HAS BEEN CHANGING DAILY AS WE HAVE BEEN SCOPING.

BUT IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE MASTER PLAN.

THAT IS PART OF THE CONFUSION. THE OUTDOOR POOL IN THE FUTURE PHASES IS STILL -- WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY DESIGNING THAT,

CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: THE INDOOR POOL HAVE LAP POOL BUT IT WILL ALSO HAVE SOME LIKE RECREATION OR SOMETHING CAPABLE OF TEACHING WATER AEROBICS AND THAT SORT OF

THING AS WELL. >> SPEAKER: STAY THERE.

TO MOVE TO THE LAKE WILL MORE PROPERTY, BECKY CHOSE TO NOT TO THE TABLE SO SHE GETS A STAND OF THE PODIUM BEFORE YOU.

THE LAKE WILL MORE PROPERTY THAT WE DELAYED DUE TO COVID AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A FEW TIMES AND IN THE MID BIENNIUM BUDGET PRESENTATION AND BROUGHT TO YOU, THOSE PLANS ARE COMPLETE AND READY TO GO. AND WE HAVE CHANGED THE PLANS TO INCLUDE A COVER FOR THE POOL AND A HEATING SYSTEM FOR THE POOL.

I'M WAITING ON JUST FINAL ESTIMATED PRICING TO COME BACK TO YOU TO RECOMMEND. I WILL RECOMMEND TO YOU THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND GO OUT TO BID WHAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT THE FINANCIAL APPLICATIONS OF THE BUDGET ARE WHEN WE DO THAT.

TO BUMP THAT PROJECT BACK UP AND GET IT UNDERWAY, THAT DELIVERIES GYMNASIUM SPACE FOR BASKETBALL, FITNESS FACILITY, INDOOR AND OUTDOOR POOL. IT IS THE SAME POOL AND THAT IS THE FASTEST WAY THAT WE CAN MEET THE REQUEST OF OUR CITIZENS TO PROVIDE A HEATED POOL THAT THEY CAN USE YEAR ROUND.

THAT IS A RECREATION CENTER THAT WAS ALREADY A HIGH PRIORITY IN THE PLAN AND IT ALSO DELIVERS MUCH NEEDED GYMNASIUM SPACE.

DID I MISS ANYTHING ON THAT, BECKY?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT OR IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD IT WOULD

BE READY TO GO IN 2022. >> SPEAKER: LAKE WILL MORE?

>> SPEAKER: YES, IT IS READY. WE CAN PUT IT OUT TO BID TOMORROW BUT WHAT I WANT TO GIVE YOU AS SOON AS WE GET BACK TO THE FIRST OF THE YEAR IS WHAT THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THAT.

I WILL DO THAT AT A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE OR A SPECIAL WORK SESSION. I JUST WANT TO GO OVER IT AND MAKE SURE WE ARE GOOD BEFORE WE GO OUT TO BID BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE BEING FAIR WITH CONTRACTORS' TIME AND NOT COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? I AM HOPEFUL AND I HAVE RUN THROUGH FINANCIAL MODELING WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND WE CAN AFFORD IT AND IT WON'T BE AT THE EXPENSE OF ANOTHER PROJECT. BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN CONSERVATIVE DUE TO COVID WITH OUR BUDGETING SO WE ARE IN GOOD

FINANCIAL SHAPE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> SPEAKER: CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? YOU SAID THE LOCATION.

LOCATION OF THIS RECREATION CENTER IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE

ON MAYOR BERKE'S DRIVE? >> SPEAKER: KNOW, THE LOCATION OF THE RECREATION CENTER WHERE THE PUBLIC WORKS HOLDINGS IT'S NOW, THAT IS THE PARKING LOT AND A LITTLE OVER, A LITTLE TOWARD ENVIRONMENT THE SERVICES AND RECYCLING IT SITS UP ON THE TOP OF THE HILL THERE. SO YES, THERE WILL BE MAYOR BROOKS DRIVE ACCESS TO THIS COMPLEX.

THERE WILL BE A HUGE PARKING LOT THERE.

THE LIBRARY IS OVER WHERE THE RECYCLING CENTER IS NOW ALONG WITH THE CULTURAL CENTER WHICH WE HAVE ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE ROSENWALD SCHOOL AND A MUSEUM. IT'S REALLY MORE OF A CULTURAL CENTER AND ROSENWALD SCHOOL. THAT WILL BE ON THE CURRENT

RECYCLING CENTER PROPERTY. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: THE SPLASH PAD THAT HAS BEEN RELOCATED IS NOW A LITTLE BIT IN THE GREEN SPACE BY THE LIBRARY, WHICH SITS ADJACENT. IT IS OVER CLOSEST TO DONAHUE.

>> SPEAKER: SO IT'S CLOSER TO DONAHUE? IS THAT NUMBER SIX RIGHT HERE? THE SPLASH PAD.

>> SPEAKER: THE SPLASH PAD IS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, BETWEEN

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>> SPEAKER: SO IT WOULD BE WERE NUMBER FOUR IS.

THAT'S NOT THE GARDEN ANYMORE? WHICH BUILDINGS?

>> SPEAKER: THE PAVILION. >> SPEAKER: WERE NUMBER TEN IS.

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE CONSULTANT. AS WE GET INTO PROGRAMMING AND LAY THE SITE OUT THAT COULD BE ADJUSTED.

THAT IS WORK WE CONCEPTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, BETWEEN THE

BUILDINGS. >> SPEAKER: DO WE HAVE AN

UPDATED SITE PLAN? >> SPEAKER: NO, WE DO A PLAN LIKE THIS, THIS IS AN OUTCOME OF THE BUDGETING PROCESS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH A CLOSE TO $40 MILLION BUDGET FOR WHAT YOU SEE ON HERE. AND A FULL BUILDOUT.

WE APPRECIATE THE FORESIGHT, BUT IF WE SPENT 15 AND $20,000 EVERY TIME WE ADJUSTED THEY HAVE TO REPROGRAM SOMETHING TO TRY NOT TO DO THAT. THE SPLASH PAD IS THE OUTCOME OF A LOT OF PUBLIC REQUESTS FOR SPLASH PAD.

AND ALSO A WAY, ESPECIALLY IN A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO GIVE THE KIDS A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO AND COOL OFF IN THE SUMMERTIME EASILY. WE HAVE ALSO GOT A LOT OF REALLY YOUNG CHILDREN IN AUBURN AND THAT'S OUR HIGHEST GROWTH AREA OF THE CITY OF THIS WILL BE AN AN AMENITY FOR YOUNG FAMILIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN ALIKE THAT THEY CAN EASILY GET TO THAT IS HERE. OUR OUTDOOR POOLS ARE HEAVILY USED BUT WE FELT THAT SINCE WE DON'T CURRENTLY OFFER A SPLASH PAD THAT THIS WOULD BE A BIGGER PRIORITY THIS TIME.

ALL OF THIS IN EVERY ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS YOU ARE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, PLEASE UNDERSTAND WE ARE GOING THROUGH A PROGRAMMING PHASE AND A SCHEMATIC PHASE. THAT IS GOING TO GIVE US BUDGET NUMBERS AND THEN WE WILL BE BACK TO YOU IN THE SPRING WHEN WE ARE BUILDING THE BUDGET WITH HOW WE THINK WE CAN PHASE THIS BASED ON WHAT WE CAN AFFORD WITH THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE SET.

THE AGENDA ITEM THAT HAS ALSO BEEN PULLED TO DISCUSS CITIZENS SURVEY PLAYS A ROLE IN THAT AS WELL.

AS WE BEGIN TO BUILD A BUDGET ON WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE IT WILL

BE BASED ON ALL THOSE THINGS. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL? SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AT A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AND HE OPPOSED?

THAT MOTION CARRIES. >> SPEAKER: HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE. ITEM 8E4, AUTHORIZES A CONTRACT WITH VTC FOR THE CITY'S BIANNUAL CITY SURVEY IN THE AMOUNT OF

$16,000. >> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

MR. GRISWOLD, I BELIEVE YOU ASKED FOR THIS TO BE REMOVED?

>> SPEAKER: I HAVE NOT BEEN IMPRESSED WITH VTC'S POLLING DATA IN THE PAST. I BELIEVE THAT THE AREAS OF HIGH GROWTH AREAS IN NORTH AUBURN HAVE BEEN UNDERREPRESENTED IN THEIR SURVEY OFFERINGS. I WOULD PREFER NOT TO SELECT THE

SAME COMPANY AGAIN. >> SPEAKER: MEGAN, TO MAKE SOME KIND OF REQUEST THAT WE COVER AN AREA CERTAINLY A HIGH GROWTH AREA AS NORTHWEST AUBURN, AND I WANT TO BE HONEST, WHEN I WAS REPRESENTING WARD TWO I HEARD THIS SAME CRITICISM THAT THAT AREA OF TOWN WAS NOT BEING -- WORK RECEIVING AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY AS OTHERS.

IS THAT A SPECIFIC REQUEST WE CAN MAKE TO VTC TWO'S FOCUS ON THAT AREA SINCE THAT IS A HIGH GROWTH AREA?

>> SPEAKER: HAVE TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE DATA IN THE PROCESS. YOU CAN'T OVERLY TARGET ANY SPECIFIC AREA OF TOWN. THERE IS 2500 SURVEYS SENT OUT.

THE FRUSTRATION OF OUR CITIZENS REMAINS THAT WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE BUT DIDN'T GET CONTACTED.

YOU CAN'T GO TO THE WEBSITE AND WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE DO THIS, GET FRUSTRATED AT THEIR SURVEY WAS NOT COUNTED.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER AND NAME PARAMETER WORK INVITED TO THE SURVEY YOUR SURVEY WILL BE COUNTED.

THEY ARE LOOKING TO GET A MINIMUM OF 600 RETURNED SURVEYS AND 95 PERCENT CONFIDENCE LEVEL. WE CERTAINLY -- I WILL BE HAPPY -- WE HAVE OUR DEPUTY CHEEFINFO AN OFFICER FROM OUR GIS GROUP HERE AND HE MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO ANY AND I CAN CERTAINLY -- I'M HAPPY TO EMPHASIZE TO THEM THAT YOU NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE CAPTURING ALL OF THE CUSTOMERS AND OTHER THINGS IN OUR OUTLYING AREAS AS MUCH AS ANYWHERE ELSE.

CHRIS, DO WE DO -- DO WE PROVIDE DATA.

>> SPEAKER: (INDISCERNIBLE). >> SPEAKER: WILL BE HAPPY TO COMMENT DULY NOTED AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT WITH THEM ONCE AGAIN AND MAKE SURE AS BEST WE CAN.

IT ALSO HAS HAS TO REMAIN STATISTICALLY VALID FOR THEM.

THIS IS JUST ONE OF OUR TOOLS. THE IMPORTANCE OF USING VTC, ONE

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WE WOULD SO LOVE TO DO ALL OF THE OVERTIME TO DO THIS.

ET SEE WHEN THEY WERE BROUGHT IN AND 20041 OF THE THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US WAS BENCHMARKING NOT JUST AGAINST OURSELVES BUT AGAINST PEER CITIES NATIONWIDE TO SEE THERE ARE AREAS WE TRY -- TREND MUCH BETTER AND OTHER AREAS WE MIGHT NOT TREND WELL AND WE APPRECIATE AS A STAFF. THIS IS ALSO IN THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE NOT JUST THE BUDGETING TOOL BROKE IS AS A LENS ON WHAT WE ARE DOING. THERE IS GOOD THINGS OUT THERE.

LIKE WE LEARNED OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR SITTING HERE THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE EXTREMELY SATISFIED WITH OUR LIBRARY.

HE REMINDS ME WHEN IT'S TIME FOR A RAISE HOW SATISFIED THEY ARE.

NOT REALLY. TYLER IS NOT LIKE THAT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS GOOD DATA FOR US THAT WE USE IN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING OR WHERE I AM PUTTING PRIORITIES IN ATTENTION OF THE STAFF.

THIS HELPS US WITH THAT. I WOULD SAY ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO WITH THIS COUNCIL THAT I AM HOPEFUL WE WILL GET TO MOVING FORWARD IS GOAL SETTING OF THE COUNCIL.

INITIATIVES AND THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT COUNCIL TERM. THIS IS JUST A TOOL TO INFORM THE COUNCIL. IT IS NOT THE END-ALL BE-ALL.

IT IS A BENCHMARKING TOOL. I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT IS JUST ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT

WE USE. >> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION AND SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AND HE OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES. >> SPEAKER: ITEM EIGHT E6 AUTHORIZE CONTRACT WITH FORESITE GROUP INC. FOR THE BOYKIN-DONAHUE CAMPUS SITE DESIGN AND THE AMOUNT OF $700,745. THE SITE DESIGN CONTRACT INCLUDES WETLAND DELINEATION SURVEYING, TECHNICAL REPORTS, SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION.

>> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

MS. TAYLOR, I BELIEVE YOU ASKED FOR THIS TO BE REMOVED.

>> SPEAKER: I DID. I ACTUALLY ASKED FOR SIX, EIGHT, TEN AND 11. I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF KIND OF GIVE SOMEONE TO GIVE A BRIEFING ON -- MONEY BEING SPENT IN THE BOYKIN AREA. I JUST WANTED TO BRIEF -- BRIEF THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE FOR.

WHICH I KNOW HE SAID IT WAS LIKE TO POINT SOMETHING MILLION AND TO LET ALSO THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE IS MORE MONEY TO BE SPENT.

THIS IS JUST I GUESS THE BEGINNING.

>> SPEAKER: THE BEST WAY TO SUMMARIZE, THIS IS THE BEGINNING. I THINK A FEW OF YOU HAVE SAID THINGS TO ME LIKE, THE DESIGN CONTRACTS ARE NOT THE LEAST EXPENSIVE THING WE DO. THEY TEND TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF CONSTRUCTION. THEY COME A NECESSARY THING ALONG THE WAY WHERE WE HAVE TO FULLY DESIGN.

OUR STAFF DOES NOT. OTHER THAN ENGINEERING THING -- HAVE THE CAPABILITY. WE DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTS IN RESIDENCE. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE BOYKIN PROJECT IS WHEN THE INDOOR POOL PEACE CAME ALONG AND OTHER THINGS, WE HAVE A LIBRARY AND WE HAVE OTHER THINGS, WE ARE LOOKING AT A $49 PROJECT WITH 14 OR SO MILLION SITTING IN THE BUDGET FOR. MUCH HAVE TO CHANGE IN THE BIENNIAL BUDGET ABOUT HOW WE PHASE THE PROJECT.

I DON'T SEE STAFF NOT PROPOSING TO YOU THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE BASED ON OTHER DEMANDS FOR RECREATION FACILITIES THAT 100 PERCENT OF THIS PROJECT AT ITS MAXIMUM SIZE WOULD BE BUILT OUT OF THE GATES.

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WITH THESE DESIGN CONTRACTS BY THE TIME WE GET THE BUDGETING, WHAT CAN WE BUILD FOR WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT SO WE CAN GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF WHEN YOU ARE PRIORITIZING THINGS, WHAT YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE BETWEEN SOME OTHER PROJECTS CITYWIDE. THERE ARE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL. THE LIBRARY CONTRACT WOULD BE A PROJECT A AND PROJECT MAYBE. PROJECT A WOULD BE 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT LIBRARY AND IF YOU DO YOU MIGHT BE ITS 20,000 SQUARE-FOOT LIBRARY. THIS GIVES US THE IDEA WHEN WE BUILT LIBRARY WE HAVE TODAY WE ONLY BUILT A PORTION OF IT AND THEN YEARS LATER WE EXPANDED IT. WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO DELIVER THE MOST AT BOYKIN THROUGH THESE CONTRACTS.

AND MAKE THE DOLLAR GO THE FURTHEST, DELIVERING THE MOST SERVICES. UNTIL WE GET SOME OF THE SCHEMATIC NUMBERS AND BEGIN THE DESIGN WE CAN'T INFORM YOU BETTER. AND HELP SET THOSE PRIORITIES WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION. BUT, YES, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT AND THAT GOES THE SAME WITH THE MLP -- MLK STREETS GREAT -- MLP -- MLK STREETS ESCAPE.

>> SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

MOTION CARRIES. >> SPEAKER: IF YOU WANT ME TO CONSIDER WITH A SMACK HE ATE. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH ALL

OF THESE? >> SPEAKER: 8E8 -- WHAT'S YOUR

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PREFERENCE. >> SPEAKER: IF YOU DON'T MIND.

>> SPEAKER: ITEM EIGHT MACKIE EIGHT, BOYKIN-DONAHUE CAN PERSON THE AMOUNT OF $553,000 -- $553,796.

PROVIDE PLANNING AND PROGRAM MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL AS COORDINATION AND OVERSIGHT OF

MULTIPLE DESIGN CONSULTANTS. >> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> SPEAKER: I GUESS -- BASICALLY, THE COMMENT THAT YOU GAVE FOR SIX I WAS ACTUALLY REFERENCING IT FOR ALL OF THEM AS FAR AS SEEING HOW THESE PROJECTS. I NOTICED THAT FOR SIX IT WAS DESIGNED AND THIS ONE IT IS PLANNING AND BUDGET DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE OTHERS ARE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECT DESIGN AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF. I WOULD JUST WANTED YOU TO EXPLAIN THE USE OF THE MONIES AND THAT THIS IS JUST THE

BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT. >> SPEAKER: IT IS.

MORE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT THE PROGRAM MANAGER HELPS US WE HAVE A MULTIPLE OF CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THEY HELP KEEP THINGS MOVING FORWARD AND THEY HELP US GET PRICING DONE AND OTHER THINGS.

AND KEEP OUR STAFF WORKING ON OTHER THINGS THEY NEED TO WORK

ON. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS JUST GETTING THE PROJECT STARTED? THESE BUDGETS?

>> SPEAKER: YES. JUST GETTING THE PROJECT STARTED. IT IS ACTUALLY ALL THE WAY THROUGH DESIGN FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

WE WON'T DETERMINE THE FINAL DESIGN PEACE UNTIL WE GET SCHEMATIC DESIGN WHICH IS ALL BUILT INTO HERE.

IT IS A MULTI-PHASE PROJECT. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

I'M GOOD WITH TEN AND 11 THEN. >> SPEAKER: WE WILL STAY RIGHT HERE WITH AGE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AND HE OPPOSED?

THAT MOTION CARRIES. >> SPEAKER: IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY TEN AND 11 YOU ARE GOOD LEAVING.

>> SPEAKER: TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE?

>> SPEAKER: SO MOVED. >> SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR? AND HE OPPOSED? CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN

[9. ORDINANCES.]

APPROVED. >> SPEAKER: UNDER ORDINANCES THIS EVENING ITEM 9A1 A REQUEST FROM KEVIN AND DON FLANAGAN TO ANNEX LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BEEHIVE ROAD AT APPROXIMATELY .1 FILE MILES SOUTH OF WIMBERLEY ROAD.

RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS DECEMBE. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASKED FOR

UNANIMOUS CONSENT. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECTOR ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL OF A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? SEEING AND HEARING NONE, ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? LINDSAY?

>> SPEAKER: (ROLL CALL VOTE)

>> SPEAKER: ITEM 982 REQUEST FROM THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF THE CITY OF AUBURN TO ANNEX APPROXIMATELY 5.78 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CORPORATE PARKWAY EAST OF RILEY STREET. NORTH OF LEE ROAD 868.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT ITS NOVEMBER 9 MEETING. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASKED FOR

UNANIMOUS CONSENT. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? HEARING NONE ANY DISCUSSION? LINDSAY?

(ROLL CALL VOTE) >> SPEAKER: ITEM NINE MIGHT BE ONE REQUEST FROM BRETT BASQUIN ON BEHALF OF DAWSON FAMILY LIMITED PARTNERSHIP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 49.14 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF COX AND WIRE ROAD'S. FROM RULE TO DEVELOP A DISTRICT HOUSING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT ITS NOVEMBER 9 MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS

REQUIRED. >> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASKED FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? SEEING OR HEARING NONE I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SHE WOULD KNOW WHEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON RECORD STATING THAT THIS IS DAWSON FAMILY PARTNERSHIP. NOT MY FAMILY.

THAT IS A DISTANT RELATION. CHIEF DAWSON AT THE AUBURN UNIVERSITY CAMPUS AND WE ARE DISTANT COUSINS.

I WILL IN NO WAY PROFIT FROM THIS ENDEAVOR.

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I WON'T GET ONE DIME OUT OF IT. MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, TOM. >> SPEAKER: I DIDN'T TRY TO GET THE BIKE LANE REMOVED BECAUSE I KNEW WAS COMING.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING WHAT HAPPENED.

I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT ENOUGH. I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF ACTUALLY MANIPULATING THE SYSTEM TO GET THREE LANES PUT IN BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT COMING IN. FOLKS, I'M NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON. I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW ME BY NOW. I GO OUT OF MY WAY TO MAKE SURE I DO THINGS RIGHT. I ALWAYS HAVE THAT'S WHAT I WAS RAISED AND I WILL DO TO THE DAY I DIE.

REST ASSURED I AM UP FRONT, OPEN-BOOK AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME JUST ASK ME.

DON'T ASK SOMEONE ELSE AND EXPECT THEM TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT IT. JUST ASK ME.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON IT AND VERY FAVORABLE. I THINK THE DEVELOPER LIKES AUBURN AND I REALLY THINK IT IS A GREAT DEAL FOR US AND THE STREETS ARE TOTALLY SELF MAINTAINED, PRIVATE DEAL.

YOU PULL OFF WIRE OR COX ROAD IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY ANY LONGER FOR STREET MAINTENANCE TO KEEP THE PROJECT -- PROPERTY UP WELL. OLDER HOUSING IN ASSISTED LIVING ON THE FRONT OF IT. AND MEGAN, IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT THE DEVELOPER DID IN THE AGREEMENT?

>> SPEAKER: WE WILL DO THAT ON THE PLANNING AND DEVELOP A DISTRICT. THAT IS A CONDITION THAT WE ARE

ASKING TO BE ADDED FOR CLARITY. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. LINDSAY?

(ROLL CALL VOTE) >> SPEAKER: ADAM NINE MAKE THE TWO REQUEST FROM BRETT BASQUIN ON BEHALF OF DAWSON APPROXIMATELY 49.14 ACRES OF PROPERTY WITH A BASE ZONE OF LOCATED SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COX AND WIRE ROAD'S.

PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED OR RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT ITS NOVEMBER 9 MEETING BY A VOTE OF 5-WON.

FOR CLARITY ON ALL PLAN DEVELOP A DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS CONSIDER AMENDING THIS ORDINANCE WOULD INCLUDE THE DEVELOPER OR APPLICANT PROVIDED EXHIBITS AS WELL AS THE CONDITION ABOUT RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING 55 PLUS.

THAT IS A CONDITION, THERE IS AN E-MAIL FROM THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTED IN YOUR PACKET STIPULATING THAT.

WHEN WE MET WITH THE DEVELOPMENT EARLIER ON ABOUT THIS PROJECT, HE WAS VERY CONVICTED ABOUT DELIVERING THE TYPE OF PROJECT HE SAID HE WOULD DELIVER AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THAT E-MAIL SAYING WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THIS. YOU HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE CARY CREEK DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE AN ACTIVE ADULT 55 PLUS COMMUNITY THERE AND SOME OTHERS AND THAT IS THE ONLY ALLOWABLE BY FEDERAL LAW RESTRICTION ON HOUSING YOU CAN PROVIDE.

IT'S ACTUALLY VERY MUCH A THING. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD TOUTED FOR AN AGE GROUP AND POTENTIAL RETIREES MOVING TO

AUBURN. >> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASKED FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? SEEING OR HEARING NONE ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> SPEAKER: DID YOU HAVE PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY?

>> SPEAKER: THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I APOLOGIZE. I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THANK GOODNESS YOU DON'T.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIS CROUCH AGAIN ON

THIS. >> SPEAKER: IF YOU COULD AMEND THE MOTION IF YOU ARE SO WILLING TO INCLUDE THE EXHIBITS.

THIS TRACKS WITH A PDD AND THIS ARE PROVIDED EXHIBITS AS WELL AS THE 55 PLUS CONDITION. THE PLANNING DIRECTOR NOTED THAT IN HIS EXECUTIVE SUMMARY WHICH IS JUST AFTER THE AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY FOR THIS ITEM. DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA SHALL BE 55 PLUS AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE FEDERAL REGULATIONS PICK IF YOU ARE GOOD WITH THAT JUST SAY SO MOVED AND.

>> SPEAKER: SO MOVED SPECIALLY VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

>> SPEAKER: SO HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT?

(ROLL CALL VOTE) >> SPEAKER: JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR FROM THE CITIZENS. IN NO WAY CAN THEY COME BACK AND SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD A THING FOR 55 AND OLDER AND SAY WE WILL PUT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS IN IT.

>> SPEAKER: MR. FOOT ADDRESSED THAT WITH HIS CONDITION ADDED.

>> SPEAKER: WITH THE CONDITION IN THERE, IF THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO MODIFY THE PLEDGE TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION. WE WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY

COUNCIL ULTIMATELY. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

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HE PLANNING COMMISSION? >> SPEAKER: YES OR.

>> SPEAKER: THIS IS SOMETHING THE APPLICANT OFFERED TO DO WHICH WE DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S ONE REASON I WAS HE PLEASED TO HEAR HIM SPEAK. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIM BEING WILLING TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT.

MEGAN, IS AS A VOICE? OR DO WE NEED TO DO ROLL CALL.

>> SPEAKER: ROLL CALL. >> SPEAKER: GO AHEAD LINDSAY.

(ROLL CALL VOTE) IN --

>> SPEAKER: WE STILL HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE HERE. ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? LINDSAY, ROLL CALL.

(ROLL CALL VOTE) IS --

>> SPEAKER: ITEM NINE MAYBE THREE REQUEST FROM THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF THE CITY OF AUBURN TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 5.78 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CORPORATE PARKWAY EAST OF RILEY STREET AND NORTH OF LEE ROAD 868 FROM RURAL TO INDUSTRIAL. PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT ITS NOVEMBER 9 MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY IN PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED

TO. >> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? SEEING AND HEARING NONE WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? LINDSAY, ROLL CALL.

(ROLL CALL VOTE) >> SPEAKER: ITEM B FOR REQUEST FROM BLAKE RICE ON BEHALF OF FAB TO LLC.

TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 679.4 ACRES LOCATED SOUTH OF MRS. JAMES ROAD AND SOUTH OF THE CAMDEN WEST SUBDIVISION FROM RULE. THIS PROJECT IS KNOWN AS OLD SAM PARKER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FAILED TO PASS A -- A VOTE OF TWO TO FOUR AT ITS NOVEMBER 9 MEETING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE POSTPONED TO THE FEBRUARY 1, 2022, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY IN A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK UNANIMOUS

CONSENT. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING?

>> SPEAKER: YOU HAVE A CHOICE AT THIS STAGE TO MOVE TO POSTPONE OR TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU MOVE TO POSTPONE THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL MOVE WITH IT

>> SPEAKER: I MOVED TO POSTPONE TO FEBRUARY 1, 2022,.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

TO POSTPONED TO FEBRUARY 1, 2022, AUBURN CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?

>> SPEAKER: I APPRECIATE THE COUNCILWOMAN WITTEN MOTION ON THIS. THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT FINALIZED YET AND ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A HUGE PROJECT WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO PUSH ANYTHING LIKE THIS THROUGH JUST PRIOR TO A HOLIDAY PERIOD WHEN THE PUBLIC MAY OR MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE TO COMMENT ON IT.

I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT SO THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: IF I MAY ADD, IT FELL ON THIS DATE BECAUSE OF LEGAL REQUIREMENTS OF PLANNING COMMISSION TO CITY COUNCIL.

NOT THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE, PER SE, OR STAFF JUST HOW DATES FALL

AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. >> SPEAKER: SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT. STILL IN DISCUSSION.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE AMENDMENT?

>> SPEAKER: POSTPONEMENT. >> SPEAKER: POSTPONEMENT.

SO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL ON THE POSTPONEMENT.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK YOU ARE FINE FOR VOICE VOTE.

>> SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVORITE? ANY OPPOSED? THIS WILL COME BACK UP ON FEBRUARY 1.

>> SPEAKER: ITEM NINE MIGHT BE FIVE REQUEST FROM BLAKE RICE ON BE HALF OF APPLY THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY TO APPROXIMATELY 885.05 ACRES OF PROPERTY WITH A BASE ZONE OF DDH LOCATED SOUTH OF MRS. JAMES ROAD SANFORD.

PLANNING COMMISSION FAILED TO PASS A MOTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST BY A VOTE OF 1-5 ON ITS NOVEMBER 5 MEETING. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE POSTPONE -- CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY IN A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> SPEAKER: SO SAME PROCEDURES LAST TIME.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK UNANIMOUS

CONSENT. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING?

>> SPEAKER: DO. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS TO A DATE CERTAIN TO FEBRUARY 1, 2022.

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>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL FEBRUARY 1, 2022.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

WE WILL POSTPONE THIS UNTIL FAIRBURY FIRST.

>> SPEAKER: ITEM NINE MAKE B6 REQUEST FROM BRETT BASQUIN ON BEHALF OF PSM ALABAMA HOLDINGS LLC AND TD DEVELOPMENT INC. TO AMEND THE HAMILTON PLACE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF MOORES MILL RD. AND HAMILTON RD. THE AMENDMENT WOULD INCLUDE THE INCORPORATION OF AN ADDITIONAL 4.21 ACRES TO ADD 33,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE AND CHANGE CLASSIFICATION OF SHOPPING CENTER FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER TO COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER. THE PLANNING COMMISSION FAILED TO PASS A MOTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST BY VOTE OF 2-4 AT ITS NOVEMBER 9 MEETING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE POSTPONED TO THE FEBRUARY 1, 2022, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY IN A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK UNANIMOUS

CONSENT. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. DOES ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING?

>> SPEAKER: DO. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT TO

FEBRUARY 1, 2022,. >> SPEAKER: SEE YOU WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE. SO MOVE TO POSTPONE UNTIL FEBRUARY 1, 2022. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND TO POSTPONE UNTIL FEBRUARY 1, 2022.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> SPEAKER: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE. THIS ITEM AND THE LAST TWO ITEMS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, NOT THAT IT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE VOTE, BUT WE HAD THREE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ABSENT FROM THAT MEETING AND WHEN WE HAVE SUCH IMPORTANT BUSINESS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IT WAS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE OUT MAKING THESE DECISIONS.

I JUST WANT THAT TO BE REFLECTED IN THE VOTE -- IN THE MINUTES.

>> SPEAKER: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER IF I MAY.

IN YOUR DESCRIPTION OF IT, YOU DESCRIBED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FAILURE TO PASS A MOTION AS OPPOSED TO RECOMMENDED

DENIAL. >> SPEAKER: IT IS A ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. PEOPLE LIKE TO DEBATE ROBERTS RULES ALL DAY LONG ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN MAKE NEGATIVE EMOTIONS TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM BE CONFUSED YOU ALSO MOVED FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND THERE. IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR YOU VOTE FOR IT AND IF YOU ARE AGAINST THE VOTE AGAINST IT.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. IT WAS A POSITIVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL BUT IT FAILED BECAUSE ONLY TWO PEOPLE VOTED IN FAVOR AND FOUR PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST. IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO

YOU, NOT THE FINAL AUTHORITY. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: ANY OF THE QUESTIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO POSTPONED TO FEBRUARY 1.

ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL TAKE THIS UP ON FEBRUAR.

>> SPEAKER: ITEM 9C IS A 2021 REDISTRICTING PLAN THAT REAPPORTIONED CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS FOLLOWING A FEDERAL THAT SAID NEIL SINCE IS REQUIRED BY ALABAMA STATE.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED

>> SPEAKER: I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK UNANIMOUS

CONSENT. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE OF THIS THIS EVENING? HEARING NONE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE NAACP MIGHT HAVE A PRESENTATION THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. TO THE MAYOR, TO THE CITY MANAGER, TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND ALL OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS, I AM REALLY ALLEN, PRESIDENT OF LEE COUNTY BRANCH NAACP BRANCH. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER AND HER STAFF FOR THE MEETING YESTERDAY.

THE MEETING WAS POSITIVE. IT WAS PRODUCTIVE, AND IT WAS HEALTHY. SECONDLY, I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS AS SUCH. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT AN ADVERSARIAL TYPE RELATIONSHIP. WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO REDRAW THE LINES FOR THE WARDS HERE IN THE CITY OF AUBURN.

LASTLY, OUR GOAL IS TO REDRAW THE WARDS TO TOTALLY REFLECT THE 2020 CENSUS DEMOGRAPHICS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> SPEAKER: I CAN TAKE MY TIME TODAY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I AM LETICIA CLEEF AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT, FIRST VICE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL NAACP BRANCH 5038 AND I SPOKE TO YOU TWO WEEKS AGO. WHAT I HAVE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU IS A PACKET OF INFORMATION. DO NOT BE AFRAID.

WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF WALKING THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE, PAGE BY PAGE. HOWEVER, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS REALLY CALIBRATE THIS CONVERSATION.

WE WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME TALKING TO YOU ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS PROCESS AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE HEARD. THAT PACKET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THIS TABLE OF CONTENTS SO THAT SHE AS YOU ARE LOOKING TO THE PACKET YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND SEE THE PROCESS. BASICALLY WE HAVE THE CENSUS DATA, WE HAVE ALL OF THE MAP CRITERIA AND THE INFORMATION AND THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED WHEN WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER OUR INITIAL PROOF OF CONCEPT. THEN HOW WE DEVELOPED THAT MAP.

WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT PROOF OF CONCEPT.

AND THEN WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR THE PROCESS AND MAKE SOME OBSERVATIONS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SHARED WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

LET ME JUST KIND OF SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE ON PAGE 2. THAT IS JUST THE SAME DATA THAT YOU GAVE US. IT IS NOTHING NEW HERE.

IT IS JUST A REFLECTION OF HOW THE POPULATION HAS GROWN AND HOW THE MINORITY POPULATION IS MORE DIVERSE THAN WHAT IT HAS BEEN.

THAT IS GOOD NEWS. YOU TOLD US THAT AUBURN'S MINORITY POPULATION GREW FROM 26.5 OF THE TOTAL POPULATION TO 36-POINT IT. THAT IS ALL THAT WE ARE DOING IS PRESENTING THE FACT TO YOU. BUT WHAT I WANT TO REMIND YOU IS THAT IS WHAT STARTED THE CONVERSATION.

THAT IS WHY WE ASKED THE NAACP TO LOOK INTO THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE SAW THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE MINORITY POPULATION. WHETHER THAT WAS BLACK, WHETHER THAT WAS HISPANIC OR WHETHER IT WAS ASIAN.

SO WHEN YOU GET INTO PAGE 3, WHICH IS SECTION TWO, THE ONLY REASON WHY WE ARE GIVING YOU THAT INFORMATION IS BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MAP CRITERIA, IT HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DEFINE THE HIERARCHY.

WHAT ARE THE KEY THINGS THAT WE MUST CONSIDER WHEN WE ARE CREATING A MAP? BASICALLY, THAT IS THE FEDERAL CRITERIA AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING TO YOU IN OUR VARIOUS E-MAILS AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SHARING. IT'S ALL ABOUT ONE PERSON ONE VOTE AND COMPLIANT TO SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.

THAT IS WHAT TAKES PRIORITY. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT WE WANT TO ADHERE TO AS WELL AND WE KNOW THAT YOU ADHERE TO BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPORTANCE.

GIVEN A MAP THAT IS WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

WE WANT TO BE REASONABLY COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE THE COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, OF COURSE TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT IS POSSIBLE.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONSIDER YOU AND THE PROTECTION OF YOU AS INCUMBENTS INTO YOUR RIGHT AREAS WHEN WE ARE DRAWING THESE MAPS. BUT WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR PROOF OF CONCEPT, WE DID NOT CONSIDER THAT.

WE KNEW THAT THAT ADDITIONAL CRITERIA WAS IMPORTANT BUT WE WERE FOCUSING ON WHAT DOES THE LAW STATE COURT WHAT DOES THE LAW STATE BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN OUR MINORITY POPULATION. NOT JUST BLACK, AS COUNCILWOMAN TAYLOR SAID, BUT THE MINORITY POPULATION AS A WHOLE.

WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE CENSUS DATA, I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU A BIT ABOUT HOW WE DEVELOPED OUR MAP.

WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE CENSUS BLOCK.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. THAT DATA IS GIVEN US BY THE FEDERAL CENSUS BUREAU. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS UNIVERSALLY APPLIED. THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH THAT. IT IS WHAT IT IS WE JUST ACCEPT IT AND WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE TRIED TO MAKE A MAP THAT WORKS.

I ONLY GO IN THE PROOF OF CONCEPT THAT WE SENT YOU WAS, CAN WE DRAW MAP IN A WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW A TWO MAJORITY

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THAT WAS ALL THAT WE BASED IT ON INITIALLY.

SO I I KNOW WE HEARD LOTS OF CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT THIS WHOLE AGGREGATION OF MINORITY AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE BUT OUR MAP PERSON WILL DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT ABSOLUTELY, WHEN WE STARTED OFF THIS JOURNEY, WE DID LOOK AT THE MINORITY POPULATION AS A WHOLE. AND THEN I WANT TO SAY THIS.

I AM A EQUALITY DIRECTOR IN THE MEDICAL DEVICE INDUSTRY.

IT IS A VERY COMPLEX AND HIGHLY REGULATED INDUSTRY.

SO WE UNDERSTAND AND I UNDERSTAND LAW, I UNDERSTAND REGULATIONS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO ALSO LOOK AT IS THE APPLICATION OF THE LAW AND THE APPLICATION OF THE REGULATION AND THE INTENSE.

BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE ARE MORE WAYS THAN ONE TO SKIN A CAT. AS I SHARED WITH OUR CITY MANAGER YESTERDAY, I AM AN ENGINEER, BUT WHEN YOU GO TO SOLVE A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION, YOU CAN GET TO THE ANSWER IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THAT IS ALL WE ARE HERE OFFERING YOU A PROOF OF CONCEPT AND THEN AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE SENT YOU AN ALTERNATIVE MAP. WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE OPEN.

WE WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS AND WE ARE IN OUR OPINION MEETING THE INTENT.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN DETAIL.

I GAVE YOU A TIMELINE AS WELL. THE PURPOSE OF THAT TIMELINE WAS REALLY JUST TO SHOW YOU OUR LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO THIS PROCESS. WE DIDN'T START ON THIS YESTERDAY. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT REDISTRICTING PROBABLY ABOUT IN MARCH UNTIL I STARTED GETTING THE CALL TO ACTION FROM THE NAACP, PAY ATTENTION, THE CENSUS IS COMING OUT. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THIS IS WHY WE DID THE CENSUS.

WE DO THE CENSUS BECAUSE WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAPS THAT WE DRAW, THOSE MAPS THAT ELECT YOU AS OUR CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, REFLECT THE GROWING DIVERSITY OF THE POPULATION.

WE JUST WITH THAT THERE BECAUSE WE WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY. I THINK SOMEONE EVEN SAID, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOU GUYS OR CREATING A MAP. WELL, WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY.

WHAT DREW THE NAACP TO CREATE THE MAP WAS THE FACT THAT THE CITY PROPOSED A MAP THAT DID NOT REFLECT WHAT OUR PRELIMINARY OBSERVATIONS SAID THAT THE MAP SHOULD REFLECT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE WAS NO INTENT FOR US TO HOLD OUT SOME INFORMATION.

OUR INTENT WAS JUST TO SEE, BECAUSE IF YOU PRESENTED A MAP TO US THAT WE FELT WAS FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GROWING DIVERSE POPULATION, THEN GUESS WHAT? WE WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH THIS CONVERSATION AND WE WOULD BE VOTING TONIGHT. AND THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A MAP PROPOSED AT 3 O'CLOCK TODAY, WHICH SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE POINTED OUT. AND I WILL SPEAK TO THAT IN A MINUTES. BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME.

WE ARE NOT PHOTOGRAPHERS. WE HAD TO HIRE SOMEONE TO HELP US DO THIS. WE HAD TO GIVE INPUT INTO THE PROCESS AND SHARE WITH HER WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT OUR CITY, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE DO SO WE CAN'T TURN MAPS AROUND.

IF I TALK TO ONE OF THE CITY PLANNERS AND EVEN TALKED TO COUNCILWOMAN -- CITY MANAGER CROUCH YESTERDAY, EVEN SHE SHARED SHE CAN'T DO THE MAPS. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT FOR HER AS WELL. SHE TAKES THOSE MAPS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE LEGAL PEOPLE REVIEW IT AND THEN TURN IT TO YOU. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT YOU'VE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO MAPS EITHER.

RIGHT? I COULD BE WRONG.

MAYBE YOU DO. I AM ONLY SAYING THAT TO SAY THAT IT TAKES TIME. THE REASON WHY WE SEND THAT MAP AT 3 O'CLOCK TODAY AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IT ON RECORD THAT WE DID SOME IT IS, IT IS BECAUSE WE HAD SENT A NOTE TO THE CITY MANAGER SAYING THAT WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO MEET THE FEDERAL CRITERIA. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT A MAP IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WOULD BE PALATABLE, THAT HE WOULD ACCEPT, THAT HE WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

WE MET YESTERDAY AT 9 AM AND SOME OF US WENT TO WORK.

WE HAD TO THEN PUT IN THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TURNED THAT

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WE ARE JUST SHARING WITH YOU HOW WE GOT THERE.

WE KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE MAP.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE TO LEARN THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE SHARE SOME OBSERVATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER YESTERDAY. PROCESS -- PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SIT AROUND AND TALK ABOUT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT EVERY TEN YEARS.

SO ONE OF THE INPUTS THAT WE WANT TO GIVE TO YOU IS THAT THOSE OPEN HOUSES THAT WE HAD, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO BETTER, WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IMPROVEMENT IS.

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN EASY TOPIC.

THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN UNDERSTAND.

SO YES, WE HAVE OPEN HOUSES. YES, WE PUT MAPS OUT.

YES, YOUR CITY PLANNERS WERE THERE TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH IT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN'T ASK AN INTELLIGENT QUESTION IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I CAN'T ASK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW.

TO WHAT WE ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY -- THERE ARE COUPLE OF SITUATIONS LIKE THIS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, THAT WE TAKE TIME TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, SO THAT THEY CAN GIVE THE VALUABLE INPUT THAT YOU SAY YOU WANT IN TERMS OF GETTING TO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE REFLECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY.

THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY BEFORE I TURN THIS OVER TO THE NEXT PERSON IS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE HERE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST DOESN'T SIT WELL WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO CONTINUALLY IMPROVE AND TRYING TO GET A MAP THAT WORKS, IS WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS DONE THEIR JOB. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A MAP.

THAT IS ALL THAT THEY ARE EXPECTED TO DO.

BUT WE HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED A MAP.

WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE OVER THE OTHER. BECAUSE AS IN ANY CONTINUOUS PROCESS, I WOULD THINK THAT IT IS ITERATIVE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE POWER TO DO WHAT, BUT WE ARE PUTTING FORTH A MAP BECAUSE WE DO FEEL LIKE IT IS BETTER.

WE DO FEEL LIKE IT IS MORE FAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE.

AND I CAN'T TRY TO TALK ABOUT THE SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY THAT MR. WALKER USED ABOUT THE POLITICAL COHESION AND WHETHER OR NOT WE ALL SUFFER THE SAME. YES, I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS WITH THIS SENTIMENT THAT WELL -- I WILL SAY, BLACK FOLK, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT THE FOCUS IS ON, BECAUSE I CAN LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MY COUNCILWOMAN BETH WITTEN, THAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE I AM OPENLY ABLE TO LIVE WHEREVER I WANT TO LIVE IN THE CITY, THAT WE SHOULD IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A 37 PERCENT MINORITY POPULATION HERE IN THE CITY OF AUBURN.

WE SHOULD NOT IGNORE THAT. SO WE HAVE TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE IT WORK. CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IS ABOUT ITERATION. IF AT FIRST YOU CAN'T GET TO XYZ, WHAT YOU DO? I AM AN ENGINEER.

WE PROBLEM SOLVED. WE GO BACK, WE LOOK, WE GET BETTER. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO. I'M NOT SAYING SOMEONE DID SOMETHING WRONG. MAYBE YOU DID LOOK AT IT FROM THE RIGHT LENS OR MAYBE YOU DIDN'T CONSIDER EVERYTHING.

OR EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T, WHEN SOMEONE NOW PRESENTS SOMETHING SECONDARY, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO BE OPEN.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR MAP AND WE JUST WANT YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO TABITHA IF YOU HAVE MET

THE FAMOUS PHOTOGRAPHER. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING.

I HAVE 1000 PAPERS. I'M SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THE TECHNICAL STUFF. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE

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>> SPEAKER: COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME.

>> SPEAKER: SORRY. I'M OUT OF PRACTICE.

MY NAME IS TABITHA EISNER. I LIVE AT 4349 WINEMAKERS WHITE ACRES RODE MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY WE DID THE PROOF OF CONCEPT AS YOU PROBABLY SEEN IN MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS NOW, ONE OF THE CORE LEGAL PRECEDENTS, THE CORE SUPREME COURT CASES THAT WE LOOK AT IS THORNBURGH VERSUS DINGLE'S. THORNBURGH VERSUS ESTABLISHED THREE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, THREE PRECONDITIONS IN ORDER FOR A COURT TO STEP IN AND INSIST ON THE CREATION OF A SECTION TO DISTRICT AS THEY ARE COMMONLY CALLED.

THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THE FIRST ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT IT HAS TO BE FEASIBLE. THE MINORITY POPULATION HAS TO BE FEASIBLE TO CREATE A DISTRICT IN WHICH THAT MINORITY POPULATION FORMS THE MAJORITY. HISTORICALLY, THAT HAS MEANT 50 PERCENT PLUS ONE OF THE POPULATION.

THERE IS SOME DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER THAT IS STRICTLY NECESSARY AND I WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.

THE SECOND REQUIREMENT IS THAT THERE BE RACIAL -- COHESION AMONG THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP THE MINORITY GROUP.

ANY MINORITY GROUP, AS YOU KNOW CAN BE BROKEN INTO SUBCATEGORIES NOT ALL BLACK FOLKS ARE AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

SOME MORE IMMIGRANTS. WHETHER WE INCLUDE EVERYONE IN THE SAME MINORITY GROUP OR NOT IS NOT AS MUCH ABOUT SOME OFFICIAL BREAKDOWN AS IT IS ABOUT THAT POLITICAL COHESION QUESTION. SO WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS POLITICAL COHESION AMONGST THE MINORITY GROUP HOWEVER IT IS DEFINED. THIRD, WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE MAJORITY GROUP, THE NONMINORITY GROUP, VOTES IN A SUFFICIENT BLOCK MANNER TO PREVENT THE ELECTION OF CANDIDATES THAT THEY THE MINORITY GROUP WOULD PREFER.

SO THOSE ARE THE PRECONDITIONS, AND INGALLS PRECONDITIONS WE CALL THEM. THE FIRST ONE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO 50 PERCENT PLUS ONE IN A REASONABLY -- ON A MAP. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT MAP. THAT IS WHY WE DID THE PROOF OF CONCEPT MAP. WE WERE LIKE, LISTEN, WE ARE SEEING THIS MAP PUT FORWARD BY THE CITY MANAGER.

IT ONLY HAS THE ONE DISTRICT. MAYBE IT IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE TO DRAW A SECOND DISTRICT. SO THEY CONTACTED ME AND SAID HOW DO WE FIND OUT IF WE COULD HAVE A SECOND.

I SAID STEP ONE, JUST TO SEE IF IT IS EVEN PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE TO DRAW THAT SECOND MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICT.

SO WE DID THAT AND DECIDED FROM THAT POINT TO PROCEED.

WE WERE HOPING WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SORT OF CHAT WITH Y'ALL ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE WAY THAT THE STATE LAW STATUTE IS WRITTEN, THE CITY MANAGER CAN ONLY PRESENT ONE MAP AND SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE LIKE A STRUCTURE OR FORMAT IN WHICH TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY ON PRESENTATION OR CREATION OF AN ALTERNATIVE MAP. SO WE HAVE TO CREATE ONE.

COOL, NO PROBLEM. WE CREATED ONE.

BUT JUST KNOW THAT THE PROOF OF CONCEPT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE OTHER THING -- ANYTHING OTHER THAN PROVING WE MET THAT INITIAL PRECONDITION, DANGLES NUMBER ONE.

SO NOW DANGLES NUMBER TWO. ARE THE MINORITY FOLKS, THE BLACK POPULATION, HISPANIC POPULATION AND ASIAN POPULATION AUBURN, IS THAT A COHERENT VOTING BLOCK? DO THOSE FOLKS HAVE POLITICAL COHESION? GOOD QUESTION. HOW DO YOU FIND OUT? AS MR. WALKER SAID, THE PREFERRED METHOD WOULD BE TO LOOK AT THE RESULTS FROM THE POLLS.

SO TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT PRECINCT DATA AND LOOK AT A PRECINCT THAT IS MORE HEAVILY MINORITY AND SEE WHETHER THE FOLKS IN THAT PRECINCT ARE VOTING OVERWHELMINGLY FOR THE SAME CANDIDATES. AND YOU CAN COMBINE DATA ACROSS PRECINCT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. EXCEPT THAT IN AUBURN, WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PRECINCTS. SO THERE IS NOT DATA AT AUBURN AT THE LEVEL OF THE CITY OF AUBURN TO SHOW WHETHER MINORITY GROUPS DO VOTE IN A POLITICALLY COHESIVE WAY FOR THE SAME CANDIDATES. AND YOUR SEATS ARE NONPARTISAN SO IT IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR HOW TO PROVE THAT.

SO IF WE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT EXIT POLLING -- IF YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THE BALLOT BOX DATA, THEN WE ARE LEFT LOOKING AT PATTERNS.

THEY CALL IT THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES, IS THE TERM THAT THE SUPREME COURT USES. THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES INCLUDES THINGS LIKE HOW MANY MINORITIES HAVE EVER BEEN ON THE CITY COUNCIL? NOT VERY MANY.

IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE, IN OTHER ELECTIONS, IN GENERAL ACROSS THIS REGION, DO MINORITY GROUPS TEND TO VOTE TOGETHER TO

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WE CAN LOOK AT WHETHER CANDIDATES MAKE APPEALS TO RACIAL DOG WHISTLES DURING CAMPAIGNS.

SO WE HAVEN'T DONE AN ADEQUATE ANALYSIS OF ALL OF THAT DATA.

NOT MY SPECIALTY, NOT SOMETHING I KNOW HOW TO DO.

NONE OF US HAVE THAT EXPERTISE. BUT WE DO THINK THAT BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT VOTING PATTERNS ACROSS ALABAMA, THAT BOTH THE HISPANIC AND IS -- ASIAN VOTING POPULATIONS TEND TO VOTE LARGELY SIMILAR TO THE WAY THE BLACK POPULATION VOTES SO THERE IS GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THAT COALITION OF MINORITY GROUPS DOES FUNCTION AS A POLITICALLY COHESIVE BLOCK.

WE CALL THAT A COALITION. A COALITION DISTRICT IS A DISTRICT IN WHICH THERE IS NOT ONE MINORITY GROUP THAT MAKES UP THE MAJORITY. IT IS A COALITION OF MINORITY GROUPS. THERE IS HOT DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER -- I HAVE SLIDES. LET'S LOOK AT THIS ONE.

IN A COALITION DISTRICT, NO ONE COALITION GROUP MAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF DISTRICTS. IT IS HOTLY DEBATED WHETHER SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT PROTECTS COALITION DISTANCE OR NOT. BUT IN OUR CIRCUIT, CIRCUIT COURT SO FAR, IT SEEMS LIKE YES, THERE IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT MINORITIES DO ACT AS A POLITICALLY COHESIVE GROUP.

I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THAT IS IN CASE LAW IF YOU'RE INTERESTED BUT I WON'T BORE YOU IF NOT.

MR. WALKER USED THE TERM A CLASSIC SECTION TWO DISTRICT.

A CLASSIC SECTION TWO DISTRICT IS ONE MINORITY GROUP.

TRUE. BUT INCREASINGLY OUR WORLD IS BECOMING MORE DIVERSE. THERE ARE SO MANY MORE PEOPLE IN THE 2020 SENSES THAT IDENTIFIED AS BEING WILL TO RACIAL.

HOW IN THE WORLD DO WE HOLD THAT AS A STANDARD THAT YOU HAVE TO BE 50 PERCENT PLUS ONE OF ONE RACIAL GROUP WHEN SO MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE IDENTIFYING AS BEING MULTIRACIAL AND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? THIS QUESTION ABOUT COALITION DISTRICTS IS GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE PRESSING IN OUR PUBLIC DEBATE. SO FAR THE SUPREME COURT HAS NOT RULED ON COALITION DISTRICTS, ONLY CIRCUIT COURT OF RULED AND OUR CIRCUIT COURT HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF COALITION DISTRICTS. WORTH NOTING AS WELL THAT AUBURN'S POPULATION, AUBURN'S DEMOGRAPHICS ARE VERY SIMILAR TERMS OF HISPANIC POPULATION, IT'S ABOUT 4.2, 4.3 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION, SO ALABAMA AS A WHOLE IS 4.3.

AUBURN IS 4.2 PERCENT HISPANIC. THE ASIAN POPULATION STATEWIDE IS JUST 1.9 PERCENT. BUT HERE IN AUBURN IT IS 10.55 PERCENT. THE BLACK POPULATION IN AUBURN IS LESS THAN IT IS IN THE STATE STATEWIDE.

I THINK PROBABLY THE BEST DATA THAT WE HAVE FOR DETERMINING WHETHER THERE IS RACIALLY COHESIVE POLITICALLY COHESIVE VOTING AMONG THIS COALITION OF MINORITY GROUPS IS TO LOOK AT WARD ONE VOTING PATTERNS. WARD ONE IS ALREADY A COALITION DISTRICT. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY ONE MINORITY GROUP THAT REACHES THAT 50 PERCENT PLUS ONE THRESHOLD.

WARD ONE HAS CONSISTENTLY ELECTED MINORITY CANDIDATES.

THAT IS GOOD EVIDENCE THAT WHEN A COALITION IS FORMED AMONGST MINORITY GROUPS, A MINORITY CANDIDATE CAN BE ELECTED.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD SOME OTHER DATA.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY TO OFFER. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE PROPOSED MAP. HERE IS OUR ALTERNATIVE MAP.

IT'S SUPER HARD TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IT IS SO SMALL.

IF ONLY AUBURN WERE SHAPED DIFFERENTLY.

WHAT CAN YOU DO? WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS ALTERNATIVE MAP. THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED WHEN MAKING THE MAP, WE ASKED MS. CROUCH CITY MANAGER ABOUT WHAT THE PRIORITIES WERE. SHE REITERATED AND SHARED THE SAME PRIORITY AS WE DO. OF ONE PERSON ONE VOTE.

POPULATION EQUALITY BETWEEN THE DISTRICTS, COMPLIANCE WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, AND THEN KEEPING INCUMBENTS IN DISTRICTS

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KEEPING THE CORE OF DISTRICTS INTACT, ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE.

THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT IF POSSIBLE WE WOULD WANT TO DO.

WE MADE THIS MAP AND WE ALSO SENT YOU A LINK SO THAT YOU CAN ZOOM IN AS FAR AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.

HOPEFULLY YOU GOT THE LINK. WE CAN GET IT TO YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE MAP THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD PROPOSED AND TRIED TO MAKE HER HOURS AS SIMILAR AS POSSIBLE. WE WENT WITH THE SAME BASIC SHAPE THAT WARD ONE IS HAD HISTORICALLY.

WE WENT WITH KEEPING SEVERAL OF THE WARDS WITHIN KIND OF THE CITY'S CIRCLE. SO THAT THERE ARE URBAN WARDS AND SUBURBAN WARDS RATHER THAN HAVING LOTS OF WARDS THAT HAVE A MIXTURE OF URBAN AND SUBURBAN. HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE A MIXTURE BUT TRIED TO KEEP THAT TO A MINIMUM.

RECOGNIZING THAT THE STUDENT POPULATION IS LESS FREQUENTLY SHOWING UP TO VOTE, WE TRIED TO BE ATTENTIVE TO THAT QUESTION, BUT ALSO WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T MAKE A DISTRICT HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN ITS SIMPLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT VOTER TURNOUT IS LOWER IN THE DISTRICT FEDERAL LAW DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.

WHAT ELSE WE DO? WE PAID ATTENTION TO WHERE THE INCUMBENTS WERE LOCATED. TRIED TO DRAW A MAP THAT WOULD NOT FORCE TWO INCUMBENTS TO RUN AGAINST EACH OTHER.

TAKE AWAY IS, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS MAP.

LET US KNOW WHAT IT IS YOU LIKE AND DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT.

WE CAN MAKE CHANGES. WE MAKE CHANGES ALL THE TIME TO THIS MAP SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU THAT YOU THINK, GOSH, THAT WOULD BE NICE IF THIS PARTICULAR BLOCKER OVER HERE OR OVER THERE, WE ARE INTERESTED INTERESTED IN ACCOMMODATING PEOPLE'S INPUT. THIS ISN'T THE ONLY MAP THAT WE WOULD EVER PROPOSE. WE HOPE TO BE IN CONVERSATION WITH Y'ALL ABOUT THAT. THE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT YOU BE PROACTIVE ABOUT GRANTING MINORITY REPRESENTATION.

IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT. THE LAW SAYS THAT IF YOU DON'T DO IT, SOMEONE CAN BRING A LAWSUIT.

AND THEN THE COURT TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, THOSE INGLES PRECONDITIONS, AND DETERMINE WHETHER A LAWSUIT IS WARRANTED AND WHETHER A DISTRICT HAS TO BE CREATED, WHETHER ONE OR MORE DISTRICTS HAS TO BE CREATED.

BUT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAW THAT PREVENTS YOU FROM BEING PROACTIVE. THE SUPREME COURT HAS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT THAT IT IS ACCEPTABLE LEGAL AND FINE FOR MUNICIPALITIES, GOVERNMENTS OF WHATEVER SHAPE AND SIZE, TO PROACTIVELY CREATE A SECTION TWO DISTRICT, A MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS, IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT KIND OF LITIGATION, WHICH IS A HARDSHIP ON THE CITY. IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDRAW THE LINES LATER, IT'S A PAIN.

FOR CITIZENS, FOR YOU, FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

LOTS OF MONEY IS SPENT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE.

SO YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE PROACTIVE AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL DO SO. I THINK I WILL PASS IT OVER.

>> SPEAKER: GETTING THE EVERYONE.

GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST THANK MS. MEGAN MCGOWEN CROUCH FOR MEETING WITH US AND ALL OF THE STAFF THAT WERE THERE. THEY WERE MORE THAN OPEN TO MEETING AND WE HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS.

I WANTED TO AND -- BEGIN THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION WITH SAYING THAT. TO ALL OF YOU IT'S GOOD TO SEE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND IN THE ABSENCE OF MR. BRETT SMITH

AS WELL. >> SPEAKER: CAN YOU GIVE US

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SPEAKER: JOSHUA LEWIS, 1106 STATE ROAD AUBURN AL THEM. ONE DAY WE WILL GET THIS RIGHT.

>> SPEAKER: PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT.

>> SPEAKER: BUT IT WILL BE TODAY.

(LAUGHTER) I WANTED TO BEGIN OR CONTINUE THIS IN DRAWING OUR ATTENTION TO THE LOGO OF OUR GREAT CITY THAT IS AUBURN. AUBURN NICE WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR LOCAL BEING THIS BEAUTIFUL A WITH THE LAMP BEING THERE AND THE FLAME AND IT IS USUALLY IN A BEAUTIFUL BRIGHT BLUE AMBIENT COLOR. EVEN THEN THE GRAY METALLIC STEEL COLOR STILL RINGS TRUE TO WHO WE ARE AS AUBURN.

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TRULY, THE CITY OF AUBURN HAS BEEN LEADING THESE OTHER CITIES.

EVEN WITH THE MILLIKEN INSTITUTE RANKING BEING NUMBER 17 IN 2021, THAT IS SOMETHING. THAT IS MORE THAN TEN SPOTS ABOVE TUSCALOOSA, THANK GOD. THAT BRINGS ME TO SOMETHING.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A LAMP AND A CITY THAT IS ON A HILL LIKE AUBURN, ME BEING A PASTOR I CAN'T HELP THINK ABOUT THE WORDS OF CHRIST AND CHRIST TALKING ABOUT SAYING THAT A CITY ON A HILL CANNOT BE EASILY HIDDEN. HE ALSO SAYS THAT A LAMP IS PLACED ON -- UNDER A BUSHEL CANNOT GIVE LIGHT.

WITH THE CITY BEING WHAT IT IS, BEING RANKED AS HIGH AS IT IS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS, WITH ALL THAT IS GOING ON, I CAN'T HELP BUT TO SAY THAT WITH THE CURRENT CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, EVEN WITH THE CITY STAFF PROPOSED MAP AND ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT, WE THE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT AUBURN'S BRIGHT LAMP OF HOPE AND GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE IS BEING PUT UNDER A BASKET OF UNDERREPRESENTATION. IT'S NOT AN ACCUSATION ACCUSATION OF ILL INTENT TOWARD ANYONE, AT LEAST NOT AT THIS MOMENT AT ALL. LIKE I SAID WE HAVE HAD GOOD COLLABORATION AND CONVERSATION AND HOPEFULLY MORE.

THIS IS ME EXPRESSING THE PEOPLE'S CONCERN AND DESIRE FOR NOT JUST THE LEGAL MAP BUT ALSO LEGAL AND EQUITABLE.

TWO MINORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS WE BELIEVE NOT ONLY LEGAL BUT RIGHTEOUS AND NECESSARY. AS WE KNOW MINORITIES ARE NOT A MONOLITH. HOWEVER, AS WE AT NAACP AND THE PUBLIC WORK ALONGSIDE YOU ALL, TO LOOK AT THE POLITICAL COHESION ACROSS MINORITIES ALONG WITH OTHER FACTORS, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO REMOVE THE COVERING FROM THE PROVERBIAL LAMP THAT IS AUBURN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WILLINGNESS TO HEAR THE HEARTS AND VOICES OF THE AUBURN -- OFTEN UNHEARD AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO DIVING IN THESE RIGHTEOUS WATERS OF REDISTRICTING THE WATERS -- DISTRICTS TO ENSURE THAT ALL ARE HEARD.

JUST IN ENDING THIS I REMEMBER MANAGER CROUCH SAYING THAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A DEEP DIVE INTO THIS YET.

HOPEFULLY WE ALL COULD TAKE A DIVE INTO THAT TOGETHER AND WE CAN COME TO THE MOST EQUITABLE NOT JUST LEGAL BUT MOST EQUITABLE MAP. I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY IN LEADING THE OTHER CITIES, THE WHOLE WORLD IS LOOKING TO SEE WHAT AUBURN WILL BE DOING AND WE HOPE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING.

THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: DOES THAT CONCLUDE

THE PRESENTATION? >> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM.

I WAS GOING TO GET AN ICE CREAM. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH

>> SPEAKER: PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN WE WERE JUST GOING TO TAKE

THE PRESENTATION DOWN. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR ANDERS. AND CITY COUNCIL MIRRORS.

MY NAME IS DR. JOANNE ABRAMS I'D RESIDE AT 206 TUBERVILLE COURT AUBURN OUT. WARD TO.

I HAVE TO SAY WHEN I CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, SPEAKING ON BEHALF AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE AUBURN ALUMNI CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA BETA SORORITY INC., I MADE ONE REQUEST. TO ALLOW US TO HEAR YOUR HEARTS AND FOR YOU TO HEAR THE CITIZENS' HEARTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU. I COME BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW JUST TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THAT TO TAKE PLACE.

I DID NOT ATTEND THE MEETING YESTERDAY.

I AM THOUGH SHE IS NOT PART OF THAT MEETING, THANK GOD.

I WILL SAY THAT I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO HEAR WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE. BECAUSE IT SEEMS AS THOUGH OUR REQUEST AS A CHAPTER THAT IS BEEN HERE SINCE 1978 COMING FORTH HERE IN AUBURN AND GROWING UP HERE IN AUBURN I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU INDEED DID AS WE REQUESTED.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING AND FOR WORKING TOGETHER ACROSS EVERYONE'S HEARTS AND LISTENING TO EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. JOB WELL DONE.

>> SPEAKER: MAYOR ANDERS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COUNCIL, WALTER JUNIOR FOR 12 OPELIKA RD. APARTMENT 111.

I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX COMMUNITY THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD CALL DIVERSE. IT HAS A NUMBER OF MINORITIES IN

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THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE ORIGINALLY FROM AFRICA AND SEVERAL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. BECAUSE MOSTLY THEY ARE CONNECTED WITH AUBURN AND A NUMBER OF YOUNG FAMILIES AND THERE IS EVEN SOME WHITES AMONG THOSE TWO FLOORS.

AS I STATED THAT THE LAST MEETING IN REFERENCE TO REDISTRICTING PLAN, I LIVE TO LOTS AWAY FROM BYRON SMOKEHOUSE AND ACROSS RAW STREET IS THE POST OFFICE.

THAT I THINK RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT MAP IS IN THE DISTRICT REPRESENTED BY MESSERSMITH OR THE WARD REPRESENT A BY MESSERSMITH. THE OTHER SIDE OF OPELIKA RD.

WHERE UNCLE CHARLIE'S IS AND WHERE THE CAR TREATMENT THING IS AND WHERE THE BARBER AND BEAUTY SALON IS, THAT IS IN THE DISTRICT REPRESENTED BY MS. WITTEN.

OR IN THE WARD. I HAVE NOTHING PERSONALLY AGAINST THEM OR ANY OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL.

I NOTICED THAT BOTH OF THE MAPS, THE ONE THAT WAS BEFORE YOU THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROPOSED, ALONG WITH A CONSULTANT, AND THE AND AA CP MAP, BOTH HAD BOTH SIDES OF THAT OPELIKA RD. IN ONE WARD OR DISTRICT. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT. BUT ALSO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE SPIRIT OF THE CITY OF AUBURN , AT LEAST PERSONALLY SUPPORT A FAIR REPRESENTATION BASED ON WHAT FEDERAL LAW SAYS.

I WOULD URGE YOU TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THE NAACP'S MAP AS IT IS NOW AND ANY CHANGES THAT ARE MADE LATER ON.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER SECTION TWO OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND ALSO THE ISSUE OF ONE PERSON AND ONE VOTE AS WELL AS WITH THE ALABAMA LAW SAYS. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> SPEAKER: WHO WILL BE NEXT? >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS HARRIET HUGGINS I LIVE AT 631 SOUTH DEAN WROTE IN AUBURN.

I COME TO YOU AS THE SECRETARY OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF EAST ALABAMA. THIS IS A NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION THAT ENCOURAGES INFORMED AND ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT WITH A FOCUS ON ISSUES AFFECTING VOTING AND THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS IT ONLY COMES ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS AND WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT AND TWO WEEKS AGO, WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN OUR DISCUSSION THE COMMON INTEREST OF MINORITIES IN THE CITY OF AUBURN. WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO EXAMINE THE POSSIBILITY OF TWO MINORITY MAJORITY DISTRICTS.

THAT FACT IS IMPERATIVE. WE KNOW ABOUT THE GROWTH, WE HAVE SEEN THE NUMBERS AND THE PERCENTAGES, AND IT SEEMS ONLY FAIR TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING OUT HERE THAT THIS BODY REPRESENTS THAT PERCENTAGE AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING I'M KIM WHYTE I LIVE AT 228 CONROY DRIVE IN WARD FIVE PICK IN THE PRESIDENT OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF EAST ALABAMA AND AS I MENTIONED THAT THE LAST MEETING, REDISTRICTING IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT DESERVES AMPLE TIME FOR CONSIDERATION. IT SEEMS THAT THE VOTE MAY NOT HAPPEN TONIGHT AND I HOPE THAT THAT IS THE CASE.

AS HARRIET MENTIONED, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS HAS VOICED ITS SUPPORT OF THE NAACP'S EFFORT AND I WANT TO THANK THE CITY'S STAFF FOR LOOKING AT THE PROOF OF CONCEPT MAP.

I HOPE THE COUNCIL IS LOOK AT THE NEW PROPOSED MAP AND INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS. THE CITY'S PROPOSED MAP MAY MEET THE CRITERIA THAT MR. WALKER MENTIONED IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING, BUT DRAWING ONE SUFFICIENT MAP DOESN'T MEAN IT IS THE ONLY POSSIBILITY. I ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT ABOUT STUDENTS NOT VOTING.

THAT IS A BUMMER AS A GROUP THAT ENCOURAGES ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT. I ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO JOIN IN THE EFFORTS OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS AND OTHER GROUPS TO ENCOURAGE STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GOVERNMENT THAT REPRESENT THEM. WE COUNT THEM IN OUR CENSUS DATA , THEY ARE RESIDENTS HERE, THEY SHOULD BE INFORMED AND

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>> SPEAKER: ANYONE ELSE? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE DAY US?

>> SPEAKER: I WANT TO MOVE -- I HOPE IT WORDED RIGHT.

THIS PORTION. >> SPEAKER: REDISTRICTING PLAN

CONSIDERATION. >> SPEAKER: MOTION TO POSTPONE?

>> SPEAKER: MOTION TO POSTPONE IT UNTIL FURTHER DAY.

>> SPEAKER: JANUARY 4. WOULD YOU LIKE TO POTENTIALLY

REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: SO THERE'S A MOTION TO POSTPONE TONIGHT'S VOTE UNTIL JANUARY THE 4TH AND AT THAT TIME ALSO TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE IS A SECOND ON THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM

COUNCIL? >> SPEAKER: COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO NOTE MR. WALKER WILL BE LEAVING AFTER THIS SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WHILE HE'S HERE, THIS WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION TIME TO ASK THEM. IF NOT WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU LATER WITH QUESTIONS. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHILE

HE WAS HERE FACE-TO-FACE. >> SPEAKER: I DO HAVE.

>> SPEAKER: YOU ARE IN DISCUSSION.

ONCE YOU POSTPONE -- >> SPEAKER: I WANT TO THANK MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR OFFERING ALTERNATIVES, OFFERING THEIR OPINIONS, DIGGING INTO THE PROCESS.

IT MAKES FOR A STRONGER COMMUNITY WHEN PEOPLE GET INVOLVED. IF NOTHING ELSE THIS IS JUST BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MEET EVERYBODY, MEET MORE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I ALSO -- I PRESUME THAT AFTER THE ANALYSIS OF THE ALTERNATIVE MAP WE WILL GET SOME TYPE OF REPORT?

>> SPEAKER: AS I EXPLAINED TO THE NAACP YESTERDAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT IS STATE LAW HAS ABOUT THREE SENTENCES IN IT ABOUT REDISTRICTING.

ONE OF THOSE IS WHEN YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING CITY MANAGER, STATE LAW SAYS YOU PROPOSE -- THAT PROPOSAL IS TURNED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSAL CAME WITH GREAT WORK FOR MY EXCELLENT STAFF. THAT IS A PROPOSAL POINT.

FROM THEIR CHANGES TO -- WE WILL ADVISE THE COUNCIL, STAFF WILL ADVISE THE COUNCIL ON THE DATA. MR. WALKER WILL, THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL. AND WILL ADVISE YOU BASED ON WHAT WE SEE. WE ABSOLUTELY -- THE GOOD OUT COME OF OUR MEETING WHICH WAS A VERY POSITIVE MEETING, I AGREE, YESTERDAY -- WAS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AN ALTERNATIVE MAP WAS COMING AND ASK WAS, TAKE A TIMEOUT ON LOOKING AT PROOF OF CONCEPT. WE HAVE SPENT ALMOST TWO FULL WEEKS ANALYZING EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO TRULY UNDERSTAND.

A LOT OF OUR MEETING YESTERDAY WITH TALKING ABOUT MY NEW SHOW ABOUT DATA THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T NEED TO GET INTO THEM THE MINUTIAE YET. WE WERE WORKING ON THAT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. THIS IS JUST A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE ALL HAVE THE SAME DATA.

WE WILL LOOK INTO IT. DORMANT WILL LOOK INTO IT, MISTER WALKER WILL LOOK INTO IT. WE ARE TAKING A DEEP DIVE ON A NUMBER OF THINGS. I WOULD ANTICIPATE WHY YOU HAVEN'T VOTED ON THIS YES -- YET, IF WE ARE NOT COMPLETE WITH AT WORK AND CAN'T ACCURATE INFORMATION -- I WILL REMINDED THE HOLIDAYS ARE UPON US BUT THE AGENDA GOES ON NEXT FRIDAY.

NOT IT'S FAST WITH THE HOLIDAYS AND FRIDAY GOES OUT THURSDAY BECAUSE FRIDAY IS A HOLIDAY. MUCH IS COMING FAST.

I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AT THAT POINT AND IF WE ARE NOT READY TO GO WITH INFORMATION THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH I WOULD ASK IN THE MEMO THAT YOU POSTPONE AGAIN AT THAT MEETING.

BUT WE MAY CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IS FOR THE ENTIRE BODY ASSEMBLE TO MEET A QUORUM ASSEMBLE.

IT IS VERY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT. THERE ARE PUBLIC NOTE YOU CAN'T DO A QUORUM ASSEMBLE NOT WITH THE PUBLIC PRESENT.

THIS PROVIDES THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DO THAT.

BROADCASTING FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T BE HERE IN THE BEST PROCESS WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC DIALOGUE AND FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU ON JANUARY -- BEFORE JANUARY 4 IF WE ARE NOT READY TO PROCEED I WILL ADVISE YOU SUCH IF WE DID NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL DATA. AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF STARTED

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>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE UNTIL JANUARY THE 4TH WITH THE REOPENING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY THE 4TH THAT WE ALSO HAVE A SECOND ON THAT.

ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL?

>> SPEAKER: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER.

WHATEVER WE GET AROUND TO VOTING FOR THIS, WHETHER BE THE FOURTH OR IF WE DELAY FURTHER, WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON A SINGLE MAP THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL?

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT AS WE KNOW IT TODAY BUT WE WILL ADVISE YOU.

IT ONE OF THE THINGS IN A DEEP DIVE IN THE DATA AND THE STANDARDS THAT MR. WALKER PRESENTED AND THE STANDARDS THAT WE FOLLOWED TO MAKE THE MAP, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THE DATA AND SPENT MUCH TIME DOING THIS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS WE NEED TO MEET AND WE WILL PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS OF THAT AND IF OUR LEGAL COUNCIL REPRESENTS SOMETHING ELSE WE WILL ADVISE YOU BUT I DON'T KNOW WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT AT THIS TIME THE PROPOSED MAP IS THAT WE WOULD TELL YOU IF WE PROPOSE OR WE THINK A CHANGE NEEDS TO BE MADE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

THE MAP THAT IS OUT THERE AND ADVERTISE IS THE ONE THAT IS ON

THE AGENDA TONIGHT. >> SPEAKER: WILL YOU ADVERTISE A DIFFERENT MAP BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING?

>> SPEAKER: NO, THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER ADVERTISEMENT AT THIS TIME AND -- UNLESS LEGAL COUNCIL TELLS ME OTHERWISE.

WE HAD RUN DAVID DORT -- MANY ADS WITH THE OVERALL MAP AND THERE WON'T BE ANY FURTHER MAPS RUN.

NOW, OUR REDISTRICTING WEBSITE IF SOMETHING CHANGES AND WE WOULD TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE OUT THAT WE WOULD DO THAT.

THE NAACP'S MAP WOULD NOT RESIDE ON THE WEBSITE BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE CITY'S MAP BUT WE ARE HAPPY IF ANYBODY PROVIDES A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST WE WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED GLADLY. TO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC.

>> SPEAKER: WILL THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD FOR THE CITY TO PREPARE A DIFFERENT MAP THAN WHAT IS BEEN PUBLICIZED?

>> SPEAKER: WHEN YOU SAY THE CITY DEEMING THE STAFF?

>> SPEAKER: I MEAN PUBLICIZED. >> SPEAKER: STAFF AT THIS TIME WITHOUT ANY FURTHER -- UNLESS ON THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNCIL WE NEED TO POSE OF THE DIFFERENT TO YOU, THE MAP IS THE MAP.

ONE OF MY NOT UNDERSTANDING? >> SPEAKER: YOU ARE PRETTY

CLEAR. >> SPEAKER: BUTS, THE CAVEAT IS, WE HAD 3 PM AN ALTERNATIVE MAP OF THE NAACP IS REQUESTED IN WRITING AND HE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY THAT WE WOULD REVIEW.

WE WILL THOROUGHLY REVIEW THAT MAP AND REPORT TO YOU WHAT IT SAYS AND IF THERE IS MUCH TALK ABOUT MANY DIFFERENT THINGS AND UNTIL WE CAN GET A FULL ANALYSIS OF ITS AND CRITERIA AND DOORMAN AND HIS TEAM HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT AND ADVISE YOU ACCORDINGLY TO WHAT DOES SAYS OR DOES AND SAYS, YES THERE ARE LEGAL INTERPRETATIONS BUT OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE ATTORNEY WE HAVE RETAINED THAT IS A REDISTRICTING EXPERT AND OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS TEAM TO ADVISE YOU. NOW WE ARE GOING TO ALL WE ARE GOING TO DO IS ADVISE YOU. IT'S SOMETHING CHANGES IN OUR ADVICE WE WILL LET YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW YET BUT AS OF TODAY BEFORE WE REVIEWED THIS MAP THAT IS THE MAP THAT IS OUT THERE.

>> SPEAKER: BUT AS WITH ANYTHING THIS COMES COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY IF THE MAJORITY AGREES TO AMEND ANYTHING IN

FRONT OF US OR PROPOSED. >> SPEAKER: WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING AS WITH ANYTHING THAT WE DO AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU ARE THE GOVERNING BODY AND YOU ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. THE MAJORITY OF YOU WILL MAKE THE DECISION. WE ARE HERE TO ADVISE YOU AND HELP YOU NAVIGATE THROUGH THE DECISION PROCESS.

>> SPEAKER: IF WE FIND -- DON'T SHOOT ME FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION -- IF WE FIND THAT THE COUNCIL DON'T LINE UP WITH THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS IN THIS PROCESS, COULD WE CONSIDER A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO HAVE THIS ONE ITEM ON

THE DOCKET FOR CONSIDERATION? >> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE WE CAN.

MR. DAVIDSON, YOU SEE A REASON WE COULD NOT CALL A SPECIAL MEETING? AS LONG AS IS PROPERLY NOTICED

WE WOULD BE FINE TO DO SO. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: HOW TO INCORPORATE PROPOSED CHANGES WITH WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOT. WOULD BE A CENSUS BLOCK BY CENSUS BLOCK CHALLENGE? OF SOMEONE ON THE COUNCIL WANTED A PARTICULAR BLOCK OF CENSUS BLOCKS OR A GROUP OF CENSUS

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OF FOR A? >> SPEAKER: THERE IS MUCH THAT GOES INTO THAT. WE WOULD HAVE TO REWRITE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS. WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR SURVEYING -- THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME PUTTING THAT TOGETHER SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO REWRITE. THAT MAY DELAY OUR ABILITY TO PUBLISH AN ORDINANCE OR WHAT HAVE YOU BUT WE CAN REWRITE IT IF WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS IN THE MAJORITY IF YOU WANT TO

CHANGE. >> SPEAKER: CONNIE?

>> SPEAKER: MINDS NOT A QUESTION IF THE COMMENTS.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE CITY STAFF AND THE NAACP FOR GETTING TOGETHER AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IT.

WORK THROUGH THIS REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT EVEN IF BY CHANCE THE COUNCIL AGREES UPON CONSIDERING WHICHEVER MAP, I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE IT IS AN INTIMIDATION BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET TWM MAJORITY MINORITY DISTRICTS -- THAT THIS COUNCIL STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY COULD LOOK JUST LIKE IT LOOKS NOW.

TO ME IT IS ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING, PUTTING THE RIGHT THING IN PLACE. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE, OKAY, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE TWO BLACKS ON THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE TO HAVE A MINORITY IN THE BLACK ON THE COUNCIL OR WHATEVER THE DEAL IS.

BECAUSE EVEN IF ANYTHING CHANGED , YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND A CANDIDATE. FOR WHICHEVER AWARD IT IS OR WHATEVER. JUST TO PUT FORTH THE EFFORT AND TO KNOW THAT WE ARE AS A CITY AND AS ELECTED OFFICIALS JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS.

I DON'T WANT NOBODY IN THEIR HEARTS TO FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO REPLACE SOMEBODY FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON FOR, IT'S ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING. I THINK AS CITIZENS OF AUBURN, I JUST THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE OF ELECTING ANYONE THEY WANT ON THE COUNCIL, WHETHER IT IS IN WARD ONE OR ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARD EIGHT. IF THAT PERSON CHANGES IN MY SEAT, THAT'S THE CHOICE OF THE CITIZENS.

IT'S JUST ALL ABOUT GETTING THE MAPS RIGHT AND DOING THE RIGHT THING ACCORDING TO THE LAW. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW MY FEELINGS ON IT AND THAT I DON'T JUST FEEL LIKE I'M JUST THE ONLY MINORITY SITTING HERE AND EVERYTHING DON'T GO IN MY FAVOR FOR SOME REASON SO I NEED SOME MORE FAVORS ON THE COUNCIL. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS DO GO IN MY FAVOR.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MYSELF ON THAT. I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY JUST DID THIS BECAUSE I'M BLACK. I HOPE NOT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AS THE CENSUS AND THE DATA STATES. AM I MAKING MYSELF PRETTY CLEAR ON THAT? I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT AND THAT IS MY FEELINGS ABOUT THAT.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, CONNIE. ANYONE ELSE?

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> SPEAKER: THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE VERY END OF THE MEETING, MA'AM.

YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE VERY END IF YOU WANT.

>> SPEAKER: COUNCILWOMAN TAYLOR, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. IT RESONATES STRONGLY WITH ME THE IDEA OF GOODWILL AND IN GOOD SPIRIT THAT THIS REDISTRICTING OCCURS. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN GOOD SPIRIT IN THAT FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAD, THE FIRST WORK SESSION WHERE YOU SPOKE WITH GOOD SPIRIT ABOUT THE CREATION OF WARD ONE AND THE INTENT BEHIND THAT, WAS IN GOOD SPIRIT. I APPRECIATE THE EXTENSION OF THAT GOOD SPIRIT BEING CONTRIBUTED BY THE PUBLIC AND IT IS MEANINGFUL AND IT DESERVES OUR FULL ATTENTION.

>> SPEAKER: TO WRAP THIS UP AND WE WILL MOVE ON, I WANT TO BE

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I AM ALSO VERY PROUD AS I STATED IT TWO WEEKS AGO THAT WE LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE BLENDED WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

I BELIEVE THAT IS VERY POSITIVE FOR AUBURN AND FOR AUBURN'S FUTURE. I AM ALSO CONTINUING TO BE FAITHFUL -- THANKFUL FOR THE PASSION OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SHARE FOR THE DECISIONS WE MAKE IT AS A COUNCIL AND HOW OUR COMMUNITY OPERATES AND FUNCTIONS AND I BELIEVE THAT IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

AND HEALTHY. TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION HAS BEEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT.

CERTAINLY TO THE MAP THAT HAS BEEN OFFERED TO US THAT THIS AFTERNOON, IT WILL GET OUR FULL ATTENTION AND WE WILL GIVE IT THE BEST LOOK WE CAN AND AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, IT IS THE HOLIDAYS AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DAYS OFF THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

WHERE WE WILL BE ON JANUARY 4 I'M NOT QUITE SURE BUT WE DO HAVE TO GET THIS DONE BY THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY AND WE WILL GET IT DONE BY THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY.

I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S EFFORTS AND UNDERSTANDING.

WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO RESOLUTIONS.

>> SPEAKER: TO DEVOTE ON THE POSTPONEMENT?

>> SPEAKER: DEVOTE? >> SPEAKER: THAT WAS A

RHETORICAL QUESTION. >> SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE OF POSTPONING UNTIL JANUARY THE 4TH AND ALSO REOPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING PLEASE? ANY OPPOSED?

[10. RESOLUTIONS.]

>> SPEAKER: UNDER RESOLUTIONS ITEM TEN A ONE IS A REQUEST FROM BRETT BASQUIN ON BEHALF OF DAWSON FAMILY LIMITED PARTNERSHIP FOR CONDITIONAL USE OF INSTITUTIONAL OFFICE ROAD SERVICE COMMERCIAL SUPPORT AND COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT USE FOR PROXIMALLY 49.4 ACRES ZONED DDH LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF COX AND WIRE ROAD.

THE PLANNING COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT ITS NOVEMBER 9 MEETING. A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. AT THIS TIME WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD A GIVEN NAME ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

>> SPEAKER: ITEM TEN A TO REQUEST FROM BRETT BASQUIN ON BEHALF OF DGM FINANCIAL LLC FOR A REVISED CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF INSTITUTIONAL USES AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND NURSING HOME FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 350 SANFORD VILLAGE COURTS AND THE COMPETENCE OF DEVELOP A DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT WITH A PDD OVERLAY. PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT ITS DECEMBER 9 MEETING FOR THE

PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SPEAKER: SECOND. >> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND.

WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTION FROM THE COUNCIL? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

>> SPEAKER: ITEM 1083 BRETT BASQUIN ON BEHALF OF PSM ALABAMA HOLDINGS LLC AND TD DEVELOPMENT INC. FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF OFFICE USES AND RECLASSIFICATION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER TO COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2449 MOORES MILL RD. IN A LIMITED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FAILED TO PASS A MOTION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST BY A VOTE OF ONE TO FIVE IT IS NOVEMBER FOR NIGHT MEETING.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THIS ITEM BE POSTPONED TO FEBRUARY 1, 2022, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> SPEAKER: MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND. >> SPEAKER: AND NOW POSTPONE.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION TO POSTPONE? GO AHEAD MS. WITTEN.

>> SPEAKER: MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL A DATE

CERTAIN FABRIC FIRST 2022. >> SPEAKER: SECOND.

>> SPEAKER: MOTION AND SECOND TO POSTPONED TO FEBRUARY 1, 2022. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?

THAT MOTION CARRIES. >> SPEAKER: MAYOR, THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS OF BUSINESS WE HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.

[12. CITIZENS’ OPEN FORUM.]

>> SPEAKER: AT THIS TIME CITIZENS OPEN FORM.

THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.

ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ON YOUR MIND. QUICKLY AFTER YOU COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS ROBERT WILKINS AND I'M WITH -- I MET 261 VINCENT DRIVE. I WANTED TO TALK AGAIN ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT YOU ARE EXCITED ABOUT.

I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. WHEN YOU DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN THE TRUE ORDINANCE AND WHAT YOU SAY IS IN THE ORDINANCE? THE REASON I AM SAYING THIS IS THAT I HAVE AN EXAMPLE.

TWELVE DAYS AGO MY WIFE AND I APPEARED BEFORE THE COURT VIA PHONE BECAUSE OF HER CONDITION AND TALKED WITH THE JUDGE.

THE JUDGE SAID, ASKED US IF WE WERE IN VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE

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BUT STILL WE WERE IN VIOLATION THAT HAS BEEN PASSED AND SO FORTH. WE WERE ABOUT TO GET OFF THE PHONE AND THE PROSECUTOR INTERRUPTED THE JUDGE AND SAID THAT HE NEEDED TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.

THAT IS WHAT MY CONCERN IS. IT IS VERY UPSETTING AND WHAT THE PROSECUTOR SAID THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE OUR INTERNET WEBSITE AND I HAVE SPENT SIX AND A HALF YEARS DEVELOPING THAT WITH ABOUT 200 PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESPONDED TO US.

WE DO HAVE THE LAWSUIT IN FEBRUARY 1 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE TELLS US TAKING MY CIVIL LIBERTIES AWAY BY SAYING THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A WEBSITE. I READ THE ORDINANCE OVER AND OVER AND COULD NOT FIND IT THAT IT SAID THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.

WE HAVE SPENT THREE YEARS DOING THE ORDINANCE AND THEN YOU SPENT FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS OR WHATEVER DECIDING THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE OUR WEBSITE. I THINK THAT IS TOTALLY IN VIOLATION. I WENT AND PAID MY $251 FOR THE COURT COST TO MAKE SURE THAT I WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE MY PART OF THE BUILDING HERE. WHEN I WAS THERE I SAW THE PROSECUTOR AND I WENT DOWN AND HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO TALK TO ME. I TOLD HIM MY CONCERN.

HE DIDN'T SEEM TO CARE BUT HE ALSO SEEMED TO SAY -- HE WOULDN'T TELL ME WHO SAID IT OR WHY WAS IT SAID.

I ASSUMED IT CAME FROM THE TOP OF THE BUREAUCRACY WITHIN THE CITY. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS DONE THAT WAY. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT TAKES ANYTHING BUT THE MAYOR.

I DON'T SEE IT BEING A VOTE OR ANYTHING.

IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T OF BEEN DONE.

IT WAS PART OF THE STIPULATION. I FEEL LIKE IT WAS IN TOTAL VIOLATION. I JUST WANTED TO STATED TO YOU.

AND I WANT TO SAY I ASKED SANDY TO GIVE ME 151 PEOPLE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS BACK. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> SPEAKER: WHO WILL BE NEXT? YES, MA'AM,?

>> SPEAKER: I'M MARGARET STEVENS I LIVE THAT TWO TO 39 WIRE ROAD IN AUBURN, ALABAMA. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I AM NOT A MEMBER OF A MINORITY GROUP , BUT I VERY MUCH FAVOR INCREASED REPRESENTATION OF MINORITIES ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO MORE ACCURATELY AND EQUITABLY REPRESENT OUR CURRENT POPULATION I DON'T THINK I AM ALONE IN THAT.

I THINK MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT MINORITIES WOULD ALSO FAVOR A SECOND MAJORITY MINORITY AWARD.

I AM A MEMBER OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS BUT EVEN IF I WERE NOT, PERSONALLY, THAT IS A VERY HONORABLE GROUP THAT HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN ALABAMA MATTERS FOR A LONG TIME.

ANYWAY, I FAVOR AMENDING THE MAP AND ADDING ANOTHER MINORITY MAJORITY. THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT?

MOVED TO ADJOURN? >> SPEAKER: SO MOVED.

>> SPEAKER: WE ARE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.