[ROLL CALL]
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ANNEXATION. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
TIME TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER WHICH I WILL DO RIGHT NOW. WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 2022 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. BEFORE WE GET GOING, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT SOME OF THE -- WE NEED TO TALK INTO OUR MICROPHONES. THE RECORDING HAS BEEN -- THERE'S BEEN SOME TROUBLE GETTING THE SOUND, IF YOU DON'T GET CLOSE ENOUGH.
IF YOU DON'T MIND LEANING OVER WHEN YOU SPEAK, THAT WOULD HELP US OUT. JESSICA, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL.
>>> BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO GO OVER OUR RULES OF BUSINESS RULES HERE A LITTLE BIT.
TO FAMILIARIZE EVERYBODY WITH HOW WE WILL PROCEED.
THE COMMISSION WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AGENDA ITEMS BY THE STAFF. AND THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM -- FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE COMMISSION AND IF THE PERSON THAT'S REPRESENTING THE ITEM CAN -- IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THAT TIME, THAT'S A TIME TO DO THAT. THEN I WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AS REQUIRED. SOME THINGS DON'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. SOME DO.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS AT THAT TIME, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND BEFORE YOU GET BACK TO YOUR SEAT IF YOU DON'T MIND SIGNING ON, ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER ON THAT TABLE. ONCE EVERYBODY HAS SPOKEN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE WILL HAVE DELIBERATION HERE ON THE COMMISSION AND WE WILL MAKE MOTIONS AND A VOTE. THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2020 AND THE BASIC GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL SORT OF THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH HERE.
THAT'S SUBDIVISION PLATS. NOW WE AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY ALABAMA STATUTE ARE -- THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR THESE PLATS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE BASICALLY WITH REGARD TO THE PLATS, THE COMMISSION ACTS AS ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND IT'S BOUND BY LIMITATIONS THAT ARE COVERED STATE LAWS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT WE ADOPTED EARLIER.
AND WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING ARE REQUIRED ON THE PRELIMINARY PLATS AND WE WELCOME IN AND ALL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THAT. JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT OUR AUTHORITIES STRICTLY LIMITED TO CONFIRMING THE PLAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CODIFIED IN LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
IF THEY ARE, WE ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT.
SO I ASK AGAIN ON THAT SAME SITUATION FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT EVERY OTHER DECISION THAT WE MAKE HERE EVERY OTHER VOTE IS RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. THIS WILL COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AT ANOTHER TIME.
THEY WILL BE SCHEDULED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS SORT OF THING. OKAY.
[CITIZENS’ COMMUNICATION]
FIRST THING AND THE AGENDA CITIZENS COMMUNICATION.THIS IS A TIME THAT IF ANYONE WANT TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON ANYTHING, INCLUDING THE CONSENT AGENDA, THIS IS TIME TO COME FORWARD.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT.
ONE IS THE WILLIAMSON PROPERTY ANNEXATION.
ONE IS THE CHAPEL HEIGHTS FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
AND THEN WE HAVE A MEETING MINUTES.
SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD NOW TO SPEAK ON THOSE, PLEASE COME. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW WE'RE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA. ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF ONTHESE? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DISCUSSED PULLING I BELIEVE NUMBER 2 CHAPEL HEIGHTS.
>> RIGHT. >> TO ADD THE CONDITIONS
STAFF TALKED ABOUT BE. >>> CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO
REMOVE. >> MOVE TO REMOVE FINAL PLAT FOR CHAPEL HEIGHTS. SECOND.
>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY
MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL PULL NUMBER 2 FROM THE AGENDA AND ADDRESS IT SEPARATELY.
NOW I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE THE PACKET IN REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FOR THE JANUARY MEETINGS, AS WELL AS ANNEXATION OF WILLIAMSON PROPERTY APPEAL 2021-00865.
[2. Final Plat – Chapel Heights PL-2021-00648]
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. >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO FINAL PLAT CHAPEL HEIGHTS. PL-2021-00648.
MR. HOWELL IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
DO WITH THIS. >> GOOD EVENING.
THIS FINAL PLAT OF A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION.
LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE LEE ROAD PIERCE CHAPEL ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON THE FAR SOUTHWEST -- EXCUSE ME SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CITY.
AND INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 80 ACRES WORTH OF PROPERTY BEING SUBDIVIDED INTO 31. 27 WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND THE REST WILL BE OPEN.
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION HAVE REQUIREMENT FOR 50% OF THE GROSS AREA TO BE INCLUDED AS OPEN SPACE AND THEY ARE PROVIDING THAT AND THEN SOME.
THE FINAL NUMBER 55%. THEY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
THEY'VE MET THE OTHER REQUIREMENT CONSERVATION SUBDIVISIONS WITH LEGAL PROTECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF TO INCLUDE LEGAL.
THE PURPOSE FOR REQUESTING IT TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. THAT BEING THE PLAT NEEDS TO REFLECT ITS FINAL PLAT AS THE FINAL PLAT.
CLARIFICATION OR A MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PL-2021-00648 WITH STAFF COMMENTS AND THE ADDITION OF THE FINAL PLAT LABEL.
>> SECOND. >>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT WITH AN ADDITION OF THE FINAL PLAT LABEL. ANY DISCUSSION?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY "AYE."
>> MOTION CARRIES. >> ON THE NEW BUSINESS, THIS
[3. Preliminary Plat – Northgate Subdivision – PUBLIC HEARING PP-2022-002 ]
IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT NORTH GATE SUBDIVISION.PRELIMINARY PLAT 2022-002. MR. KIPP?
THE REQUEST BEFORE FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
SUBDIVISION TWO LOTS INTO 127 LOT SUBDIVISION ON APPROXIMATELY 31 ACRES. PROPERTY OWNED BY NORTH GATE DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTED BY PRECISION SURVEY.
SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED NEAR INTERSECTION HIGHWAY 280 AND NORTH COLLEGE STREET AND WITHIN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT KNOWN AS THE BOTTLE WHICH YOU RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL LAST FALL.
THIS WOULD CONSTITUTE THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT WHICH WOULD INCLUDE 42 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 40 TWIN HOME LOTS, 38 TOWN HOME UNITS, AND NEW PUBLIC STREETS. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE PLAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS PENDING COMMENTS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I DID RECEIVE ONE COMMUNICATION FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WITH CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND PROBLEMS ESTIMATY OF HOMES.
OTHER THAN THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. IT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER
>> THANK YOU. WOULD THE REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS?
>> STATE YOUR NAME I AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME TJ JOHNSON. I'M WITH HOLLAND HOMES.
WE WILL BE BUILDING THE HOMES OUT THERE IN THE EVENT THE SUBDIVISION IS COMPLETED.
THIS IS IN LINE WITH MASTER PLAN WE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU LAST FALL. THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT WE HOPE TO PERFORM.
THERE'S SOME MINOR TWEAKS BASED ON FURTHER ENGINEERING
IN TIME SINCE WE LAST MET. >>> LET ME ASK A QUICK QUESTION. IS THERE SOMETHING BEHIND KEEPING THE CUL-DE-SACS FROM NOT CONNECTING.
JUST SOME ELEVATION DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO
ROADS. >> AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OF HERE WERE ABLE TO PUT A DETENTION POND WEST OF THEIR HOME THAT WILL TAKE SOME HEAT OFF THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS.
>> ALL RIGHT. ELEVATION CHANGE THE
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PEDESTRIAN PATH WOULD STILL BE OKAY?>> THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS TIME ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND BEFORE YOU SIT BACK DOWN PLEASE SIGN IN. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR
CLARIFICATION OR A MOTION? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO
ED. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PP-2022-002 WITH STAFF COMMENTS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY
[4. Waiver to Design Standard Requirements – The Heart of Auburn WZ-2022-002]
"AYE." AYE.>> ITEM 4 WAIVER TO DESIGN STANDARD HEART OF AUBURN.
WZ-202 # 2-002. >>> GOOD EVENING.
MAYBE YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW. THIS IS A REQUEST FROM AUBURN ORANGE LLC. THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY BREATH BASQUIN. THEY ARE REQUESTING TWOWAYERS TO DOWNTOWN DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
THE FIRST WAIVER ISWAYER OF 20% TO THE REQUIRED 80%.
FOR AN CLOSE CONNECTION TO ALLOW ADMINISTRATION OF 60%.
AND THE SECOND REQUEST IS A WAIVER TO BE PERMITTED BUILDING MATERIALS PLATTING MATERIALS TO ALLOW BOARD PANELS AS WELL AS MORE ZONTDZO ZONTDAL HORIZONTAL. IT'S BY SOUTH COLLEGE AND SANFORD WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CORNER.
IT IS PROPOSED TO BE A MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS WAS NOT IN YOUR PACKET ON MONDAY.
BUT YOU CAN SEE AND I DON'T KNOW -- HERE WE GO.
THERE WE GO. >> HERE IS THE CVS.
THE PROVIDE BOULEVARD GOES FROM SOUTH BOULEVARD TO SOUTH GATE. THIS EXISTING RETAIL THAT WILL REMAIN. THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE IN THIS L-SHAPE RIGHT HERE. WITH THE PARKING DECK ENCLOSED. AND LET'S SEE.
HERE IS THE FACADE. YOU CAN'T GET A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HERE. IT'S SO ZOOMED OUT.
WE HAVE PROVIDED THESE RENDERINGS, AND HOW DO YOU
ZOOM IN ON THIS? >> DOUBLE CLICK.
>> I CAN HEAR THEM NOW. THERE WE GO.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE THE HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING HERE. AND AS THE STAFF REPORT SAYS, THAT IS ONLY USED ON THE NONPRIMARY STRUCTURES OR FACADES. THIS AREA HERE IS SET BACK AWAY FROM COLLEGE. THIS IS --
>> RIGHT HERE IS WHERE TAZIKI'S IS.
THIS IS AN EXIT ONLY DRIVE. THIS ONE OF THE PRIVATE BOULEVARDS. IT'S JUST AN EXIT.
THIS IS THE CORNER OF SANFORD AND COLLEGE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA IS MOSTLY BRICK ON THE COLLEGE FRONT AS WELL AS THE SANFORD FRONT IN THE CENTER HERE THAT IS GOING TO BE CEMENTITIOUS PANELS.
THIS IS ALSO AN EXHIBIT FROM SANFORD.
THE AREA UP TOP ARE PANELS WITH THE BOTTOM HALF BRICK.
AND THIS IS THE SOUTH GATE RENDERING.
THIS IS THE OPEN AREA OF THE LOT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S REALLY A HOUSE THERE. IT'S NOT AN OPEN FIELD.
THERE'S THE DRIVE THAT COMES OUT THE EXIT ONLY FROM THE
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PARKING DECK. AND -->> IS THAT THE BOULEVARD? >> THE BOULEVARD IS ACTUALLY
A MAJORITY OF THIS FACADE ACCEPT FOR THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS EITHER LAP SIDING ON THE PANELS.
>> FOR THE RECORD, LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYBODY DOESN'T MISUNDERSTAND. THEY ARE NOT CLEARING ACROSS THE STREET AS THIS RENDERING SHOW.
THEY LEFT IT CLEAR SO THE BUILDING CAN SHOW.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. >> THIS IS AN EXHIBIT OF ALL THREE FACADES. THIS IS A ZOOM IN ON THE SELF-ELEVATION ALONG EAST SANFORD.
AND THE WAIVER IS NOT FOR ALL OF THE FINISHSTRATION.
ONLY THAT'S THE CENTER PORTION HERE.
WE REQUIRE 80%. THEY ARE PROVIDING 60%.
AND THE ONLY REASON THEY CANNOT MEET THE 80 IS BECAUSE OF THE SPACES BETWEEN THE FLOORS.
>> THIS IS THE FACADE ALONG GAY.
THIS IS AN AERIAL JUST SHOWING WHERE THE PROPERTY AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WITH CONDITIONS PROVIDED THAT THE FACADES ARE CONSTRUCTED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH PLANS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE DDRC. AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
>> BASQUIN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?
>> GOOD EVENING. BREATH BASQUIN WITH THE FORSITE GROUP REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I'M BEEN BEFORE THE DDRC MANY TIMES.
MOST OF THE TIME WE ONLY GO TWICE.
BUT WE'VE GOT BACK THREE TIMES.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING HAND AND HAND WITH THEM.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHERE THIS BUILDING SITS WITH REGARD TO THE CITY.
THEY'VE BEEN HANDS ON. JUST LIKE IT NOTES IN THE PACKET, THIS -- THE DDRC IS RECOMMENDING WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE REDID THE GUIDELINES HERE THE CEMENTITIOUS TAKEN OUT AS THE MATERIAL. THEY SUPPORT THE MATERIAL BEING USED, BUT IN THE WAY THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT IT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THE CONTEXT THAT IS USED AND NOT OVERUSED.
AND SO THAT THE WHERE THEY ARE CONCERNED AND WHY THEY WANTED TO HAVE I GUESS A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY IN REGARDS TO HOW THIS IS BEING USED.
THEY ARE AND APPROVAL ON THIS.
THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW IF GOING THROUGH THE DDRC, THEY REALLY ASKED US TO BEEF UP THE COLLEGE AND SANFORD FRONTAGES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE GATEWAY AND ENTRYWAY. THEY FELT LIKE THEY WANTED TO STEP DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GOT TOWARD THE GAY STREET SIDE. I FELT LIKE WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. ON THE BUILDING BREAKS WHERE THE BUILDINGS BREAKS AND IT'S THE 80%, FINISHSTRATION REQUIREMENT. WE'RE FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS IN THESE THINGS. THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT IS REALLY THE FLOOR JOYCE JOIST.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION OR A MOTION?
>> I'M JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE DDRC TO FIND SOMETHING THAT ATTRACTIVE AND STILL MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE SET OR MEETS THEIR SATISFACTION ANYWAY.
IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE
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HAVE ALREADY. THANK YOU, BRETT AND WHOEVER. AS PART OF THAT IT WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS CASE.WAIVER TO DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARD.
WZ-2022-002. >> MOTION AND APPROVED.
[5. Waiver to Design Standard Requirements – 129 North College Street WZ-2022-003]
>> AYE. >> THOUGH OPPOSED SAY NO.
THE MOTION CARRIES. NUMBER FIVE ITEM NO. FIVE.
ANOTHER WAIVER TO DESIGN STANDARD REQUIREMENTS AT 129 NORTH COLLEGE STREET. WZ-2022-003.
MR. HOWELL. >> IN SOME WAYS SIMILAR TO THE CASE YOU HEARD. THIS APPLICANT ALSO WANTS TO REQUESTING A TWO DIFFERENT WAIVERS TO THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN STANDARDS. THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE GROUND STORY. BUT IN THE SECOND ONE ANOTHER WAIVER TO MATERIALS. IT'S LOCATED 129 NORTH COLLEGE STREET. IN THE URBAN CORE DISTRICT WITH COLLEGE EDGE OVERLAY. THE SPECIFIC REQUEST IS FOR THE 13.6% REDUCTION TO THE 50% REQUIREMENT FOREGROUND.
INCLUDED AS BUILDING ELEMENTS.
>> HERE'S A SITE PLAN YOU HAVE NORTH COLLEGE HERE.
YOU HAVE WRIGHT STREET HERE. AND DOWN FURTHER BELOW YOU HAVE MAGNOLIA SEPARATED FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM OTHER BUILDINGS ARE ARE EXISTING. THE BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED HERE FACING NORTH COLLEGE AT ZERO SET BACK.
IT WILL BE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN AN URBAN SETTING AND THE REAR YOU HAVE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. FIRST GO OVER THE CLOTTING MATERIALS. IS THE ELEVATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY THE ARCHITECT. IT INCLUDES ALL FOUR DIFFERENT ANGLES. THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THE TOP SIDE IS LOOKING FROM NORTH COLLEGE AT THE BUILDING.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S CLAD PRIMARILY IN WHITE BRICK AND WOULD INCLUDE SOME METAL PANELS THAT WOULD BE IN THE COLOR PALETTE OF WHAT THE TENANT IS ANTICIPATING. IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE SOME OF -- SOME CEMENT PANELS ON THE TOP STORY.
THAT'S STEPPED BACK FROM THE REST OF THE PLAN OF THE BUILDING. THE METAL PANELS THEMSELVES AND THE CEMENT BOARDS ON THE FRONT WOULD BE THE MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRING A WAIVER.
YOU ARE LOOKING FROM THE PARKING DECK.
THE BRICK ALONG THE GROUND STORE THE SET BACK BEHIND A SECOND STORY OPEN AREA WOULD BE CEMENT BOARDS FOR THAT
AREA AS WELL. >> THESE VIEWS ARE LOOKING FROM THE REAR AS WELL AS FROM THE SOUTH.
LOOKING AT IT FROM EXISTING BUILDINGS OR FROM WRIGHT STREET AND THE CLATTING WOULD BE ON THIS SIDE AS
WELL. >> THIS THE HIGHLIGHTING THE ONE THEY ARE SEEKING WAIVERS FOR.
THIS SMALL IMAGE HERE IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE PERCENTAGE OF FINISHSTATION. THAT PROVIDE A GROUND STORY WHICH WOULD A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF GLASS OF 873 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT PROPOSE 635 SQUARE FEET. THE REASON FOR THE DIFFERENCE THEY HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WOULD STOP TO CONFIRM THE REQUIREMENT, BUT A LARGE AMOUNT OF AREA THEY NEED FOR TENANT REQUIRED ADVERTISING
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AREA AS WELL AS PILLISTERS FOR THE FACADE.YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH THE RENDERING WOULD BE -- YOU CAN -- ALONG THE FRONT HERE THAT WOULD BE FOR THE SIGNAGE. THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE WAIVERS AND PUT -- WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DONE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THE REPRESENTATIVE AND THE
APPLICANT ARE HERE. >> THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING EITHER. LOOK FOR QUESTIONS FOR
CLARIFICATION OR A MOTION. >> WHEN IS THE GRAND
OPENING? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO
APPROVE WZ-2022-003. >> SECOND.
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE WAIVER TO DESIGN STANDARDS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY "AYE." AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. >> THE MOTION CARRIES.
>> I DO WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THESE TWO APPLICANTS SPENDING SO MUCH TIME WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AHEAD OF TIME.
IT MAKES IT VERY EASY FOR US WHEN WE KNOW THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THESE DESIGN CHANGES.
I THINK IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AND THE EXPLANATION WHILE ITS SHORT HERE WAS VERY LENGTHY DURING PACKET MEETINGS. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT THESE APPLICANTS ARE PUTTING INTO THESE BIG PROJECTS THAT HAVE A LARGE IMPACT ON OUR CITIES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
AND THE WORK OF THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE.
THEY PUT IN THE TIME. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
[CHAIRMAN’S COMMUNICATION]
>> WE DON'T HAVE OTHER BUSINESS.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE A CHAIRMAN'S COMMUNICATION TIME TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT MINUTES.
MEETING MINUTES. CAME OUT IN THE PACKET AND THEN IT'S BASICALLY THE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE MINUTES, AND WHAT DO WE -- AS A COMMISSION WANT TO SEE IN THE MINUTES, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT THERE WAS TOO MUCH IN THE MINUTES.
AND IT CAME FROM THE ANGLE WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES, WE ADDED STAFF ADDED ALL THE STAFF
REQUIREMENTS -- >> CONDITIONS.
>> CONDITIONS. AND I GUESS THE ARGUMENT IS IT'S KIND OF -- I WOULD SAY THERE'S THREE PIECES.
ONE YOU PUT THEM ALL IN THERE.
DO YOU PUT IN THE ONES THAT WE CHANGE? SOMETIMES WE ADD SOME. SOMETIMES WE SUBTRACT SOME.
OR DO WE LEAVE THEM ALL OUT COMPLETELY.
ONE OF THE SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT WAS ESPECIALLY IF IT GOES TO COURT IT BECOMES YOU KNOW -- WE IN THE COMMISSION DON'T MAKE THOSE CONDITIONS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THEM TO US.
AND SO IF IT -- THE MINUTES ARE THE FIRST THING THAT COMES OUT IN A COURT SITUATION SHOULD IT HAPPEN.
THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WAS NOT REALLY WHERE WE WANTED TO HEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF THROW THAT OUT AND MAYBE GET SOME PERSPECTIVE FROM STEVE AND WHAT HE THINKS ON IT.
>> WELL, I WILL SAY AFTER OUR DISCUSSION, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE STAFF PROVIDED CONDITIONS.
WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE APPROVED IS ONE THING.
I THINK IT'S REDUNLT REDUNDANT TO INCLUDE THEM ALL THE TIME. BUT IF WE CHANGE SOMETHING THEREFORE, I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE
MINUTES. >> I TEND TO AGREE WITH
THAT. >> KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE
HISTORICAL RECORDS. >> AND THEY DO MOVE FORWARD
WITH AN ENTIRE PACKET. >> AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN THE FILES, FOR DISCOVERY, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY FIND --
>> THAT'S WHEN IT MATTERS. >> IF YOU ARE EVER CALLED TO BE AS A WITNESS AS TO WHAT YOU DID, IT IS VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THE DETAILED FILE. THEY ARE COURT DOCUMENTS.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE ME A DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVE ON THIS? >> PART OF THIS CAME UP BECAUSE WE HAD A CHANGE IN STAFF AND DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY. WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT CHANGING YOUR MINUTE S WHEN WE PREPARED YOUR LAST SET OF MINUTES. WE PUT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THERE. AND I DID THAT NATURALLY
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WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT. EVERYWHERE I'VE BEEN WE ALWAYS PUT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THE MINUTES.IT DOESN'T CREATE MORE WORK FOR YOU ALL.
WE JUST PUT THEM IN THERE. IT'S ONE PLACE THAT YOU CAN GO, YOU KNOW THE RECORDS, THE MINUTES ARE OFFICIAL RECORD OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID.
>> SO BY PUTTING THEM IN YOU SIGN A COPY OF, IT ELIMINATES HAVING TO FIND A STAFF REPORT IN CASE IT WASN'T ATTACHED FOR SOME REASON.
IT'S ALL IN ONE LOCATION. TO ME IT'S WHAT I'M USED TO.
IT'S A NATURAL THING FOR ME LIKE BREATHING.
IT'S WHAT YOU DO. WE DID PUT THEM IN THERE FOR YOU. IF YOU -- THEY ARE MINUTES. WILL ME SAY THIS.
WE WILL DO IT HOW YOU WANT TO HAVE IT DONE.
IF YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND YOU JUST IN YOUR MOTION, YOU SAY I RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS AND THE STAFF REPORT, THEN WE GOT ATTACH IT OR GO FIND THE STAFF REPORT.
FIVE OR TEN YEARS LATER IT'S SOMETIMES MORE DIFFICULT TO CHASE THINGS DOWN. IF YOU CHANGE SOMETHING, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN IT YOUR MINUTES.
SOMETIMES WE'LL SAY WE ADDED A CONDITION TONIGHT ON THE PLAT. FOR THAT, I THINK IT COULD GET CONFUSING. IT'S GOING TO SAY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND WITH THIS ADDITIONAL CHANGE OR ADDITION, OR SOMETIMES YOU REWORT REWORTH -- RE-WORD NUMBER FIVE. THE PLUS TO PUTTING IT IN THE MINUTE IT'S ALL THERE IN ONE TIGHT PACKAGE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE PIECES LATER ON.
THEY ARE YOUR MINUTES. IDEALLY WE WANT TO SEE THE
WAY YOU WANT IT DONE. >> WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT FOR NOT HAVING THEM IN THE MINUTES.
TOO MUCH TO READ. >> IT WASN'T MY ARGUMENT.
>> PAPER WASTING? >> DOES THAT REQUIRE A VOTE.
OR DO WE AGREE? IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING NOW YOU PERFECT I WILL FINE TO HAVE THE CONDITIONS IN THE
MINUTES. >> WHATEVER IS EASIEST.
>> JUST AVOID BEING CALLED INTO REFERENCE TALK ABOUT IT LATER IN FIVE YEARS. IF THIS HELPS THAT'S GREAT.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO CHECK THE RECORDS.
>> EXACTLY. >> I THINK IT'S FINE.
THAT'S GOOD. THEN ONE OTHER THING I THINK THAT'S BEEN CORRECTED. IT HAD TO DO WITH THE VOTE RECORD. IF IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
HE'S SAYING 90 IS GREAT. BUT IF WE CALL THE ROLL BECAUSE SOMEONE VOTED AGAINST THEN WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PUT -- WHO VOTED HOW.
>> AND WE DID THAT. YOU ITEMS 1, 2 AND 3 # -- THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS 2-5.
AND WE PUT IN THERE WHO VOTED FOR AND AGAINST THE
MOTION. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR
[OTHER BUSINESS]
COMMUNICATION? >> THIS MEETING IS
ADJOURNED. >> YOU SKIPPED OTHER
BUSINESS. >> THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT I HAVE. EXCUSE ME.
>> I WAS WAITING MY TURN. I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I GUESS, PUBLICLY, IF WE COULD OR IS THERE A TIMETABLE FOR US TO REVISIT THE MURAL ORDINANCE OR THE ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS MURALS GIVEN THE RECENT EVENTS IN COUNCIL. BZA, GOING TO COUNCIL.
DO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS THE GROUP? I THINK WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED HEART ACHE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS IF WE TACKLED IT.
IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. IT.
>> WAS GREAT. LAST YEAR YOU HAD PRESENTATION IN 2021. AND THEN THE COUNCIL IN THE LAST MEETING THAT THEY HAD ASKED FOR STAFF TO BRING SOME INFORMATION MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE AT THE NEXT COMMITTEE.
THAT WOULD BE NEXT MONDAY OR TUESDAY THE 15TH, I BELIEVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP THEN. THEN COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO
PROCEED. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO -- WE CAN TAKE OUR OWN INITIATIVE AS WELL AND SEND THEM
THOSE ZONING ORDINANCE TALKS WHO CAN AMEND THE TEXT AMENDMENT. I THINK THAT'S PROPERTY OWNERS MENTIONED SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINE.
>> WHAT I MEAN, WE HAD A GOOD PRESENTATION THAT WAS
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GREAT DEAL OF CONSENSUS ABOUT THAT PRESENTATION ON THIS BOARD. THEREFORE HAVE YOU PRESENT THAT BACK TO US AT WORK SESSION.LET US HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND BE PREPARED TO RESPOND APPROPRIATELY TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> WE ARE ON A PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
THE CURVE RIGHT NOW WE'RE MIND IT.
>> I WOULD JUST SUGGEST SINCE THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT IN THEIR NEXT MEETING WHICH IS JUST NEXT WEEK, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THEY DISCUSS AND IF THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL SAY PROCEED EXACTLY WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR.
IF THEY TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THAT.
IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO HOLD OFF TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS. IT'S YOUR CALL.
>> THEY WILL BE GIVEN THE EXACT PRESENTATION THAT WE
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE BRING IT UP AS A DISCUSSION POINT.
I THINK TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS IF WE WANT
GOT IT. IF IF WE DECIDE WE WOULD LIKE VOTE -- HAVE A VOTE AND PRESENT TO COUNCIL FOR THEM
IT'S OUR PERVIEW TO DO THAT? >> YOU CAN DECIDE, DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION.
YOU CAN RECOMMEND AND INITIATE A TEXT AMENDMENT.
>> WE'RE NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT ISSUE AT ALL. THE CURRENT MURAL.
SOME OF US BELIEVE, AT LEAST, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE PROCESS FOR PROVIDING THAT MURALS OF THE CITY. NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE TIME.
IT'S JUST BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION, AGAIN THAT WE
HAVEN'T MOVED IT FORWARD. >> I SUSPECT WE WILL GET SOME SORT OF HELP FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE THINKING, YES.
I STILL SAY WE SHOULD -- >> WE MOVE FORWARD
REGARDLESS. >> I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
>> NOT TRYING TO DO THEIR WORK FOR THEM.
JUST PROVIDE THEM BENEFIT OF STAFF.
>>> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU PUT THAT IN THE WORK
PLAN. >>> IT'S ON THE LIST OF THINGS TO DO. YOU HAD MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
IT WAS -- IT'S ON MY DRY ERASE BOARD FOR THINGS TO LOOK AT IN 2022. THIS WILL HELP US FIGURE OUT
>> ANYBODY ELSE?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.