Jun 09, 2022 Planning Commission

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>> GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS TIME I WOULD

[ROLL CALL]

WANT TO GO OVER THE GROUND RULES FOR OUR MEETING HERE.

THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED FROM ITEMS FROM THE CITY PLANNING STAFF IF THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE THERE FOR EACH OF THE ITEMS THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE COMMENTS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO. THEN I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, IF REQUIRED. AND THIS WILL BE AT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AT HAND.

WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE HEARD, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP YOUR TIME TO TALK TO 5 MINUTES. PLEASE STAY ON, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND.

AFTER EVERYONE IS SPOKEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, REPRESENTATIVES AND STAFF WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OR RESPOND TO ISSUES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A MOTION AND FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION AND A VOTE.

THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS.

THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF 2030 AND THE GENERALLY GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. HAVING SUMMARIZED THE BASICS OF THE COMMISSION HEARING IN THE VOTING PROCESS I ALSO WANT TO SUMMARIZE OUR ROLE WHEN IT COMES TO COMES TO APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLATS. BY ALABAMA STATUTE THE MUNICIPAL PLANNING COMMISSION SUCH AS OURS IS THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR SUBDIVISION PLATS. WITH REGARDS TO THESE PLASTIC COMMISSION ACTS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND IS BOUND BY LIMITATIONS IT'S CONTAINED BY STATE LAW'S ZONING ORDINANCE IN ZONING DIVISION REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED.

WHILE THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED ON MOST OF THE PLATS, AND WE WELCOME ALL IN ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS CONCERNING THESE PLATS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO CONFIRMING THE PLAT MEETS HER NEEDS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS CODIFIED IN THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS.

IF YOU DO WANT TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE COME FORWARD BEFORE YOU LEAVE AND SIGN ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER THERE IN THE FRONT DESK. AND WE WILL GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. FINALLY I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT, THAT EXCEPT FOR THOSE SUBDIVISION PLATS WE ARE ONLY AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO ANY DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DECISION. EXCEPT FOR THE SUBDIVISION PLATS. OKAY AT THIS TIME IT IS TIME FOR SOME CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, THIS IS A TIME WHERE ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY THINK THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THERE ARE TWO ANNEXATIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT.

OR, IF YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ANY THINK THAT YOU WANT TO THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THEIR ONE OF THOSE ITEMS PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. OKAY SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE

[1. Conditional Use – Circle K CU-2022-017]

>> THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE GASOLINE SERVICE STATION CIRCLE K AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SHELTON BILL ROAD AND HIGHWAY 280 IT WAS HEARD ON THE MAY 12 MEETING, AND RECOMMENDED TO POSTPONE TO TODAY. MOST OF THAT INFORMATION IS STILL THE SAME, BUT WE DO HAVE NEW SITE PLANS, HERE IS THE SITE ITSELF AS YOU REMEMBER. AND THEN THIS IS THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL, THAT SHOWS WHERE THAT LINE IS, AND THE OVERALL SITE THIS IS THE ONLY DEVELOPED AREA. TO BE DEVELOPED.

AND THEN, THIS IS THE FINAL LOCATION IT IS THE SAME NUMBER OF DIESEL PUMPS SAME NUMBER OF GAS PONDS.

THE STORE IS THE SAME SIZE ALL OF THAT IS STILL THE SAME.

IN THIS ONE, RIGHT HERE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY PROVIDED THE DISTANCES FROM THE DIESEL PUMP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

66 FEET. AND THEN TO EACH RESIDENCE, OR THE CLOSEST RESIDENT AND PROXIMITY TO THIS.

SO, IT IS MINIMUM OF 180 BUT THE REST TO 24, AND 277 WITH QUITE A BIT OF VEGETATION. THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO INCLUDE THAT AND WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS.

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AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, THERE ARE THREE CONDITIONS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. >> IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING?

>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS STEVE ROWE I AM THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH JOHN IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE I'M REPRESENTING HIM. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE DID TAKE YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING AND WE DID LOOK AT TRYING TO REWORK THE SITE PLANNING IT MAKE THE MOVE THE PUMPS AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE BUT WE JUST COULD NOT GET THE TRUCK TURNS AND THE RADIUS IS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO GET THIS ACCESS TO THOSE PUMPS TO WORK. SO, IN SHORT OF DOING THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND ADDED THE FENCE THAT WAS ASKED FOR AND ALSO ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPING WITH A LOT MORE EVERGREENS CEDARS AND MAGNOLIAS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THOSE CAN BE PLANTED 8-FOOT ITALIAN FOOT AT THE TIME OF THE PLANNING SO THEY CAN HAVE A SCREEN IS A TIME AS WELL. AT THIS POINT I CAN ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> THANK YOU, OKAY THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC CARRY, AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE OH, I DID NOT SEE YOU THERE.

I DIDN'T SAY CLOSURE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I JUST GOT DID NOT SEE YOU. HAVE YOUR SAY AND PLEASE SEND

THEM WHEN YOU'RE DONE. >> I LIVE BEHIND WHERE IS

SUPPOSED TO BE THE GAS STATION. >> WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

>> 20 TO 34,. >> IN YOUR NAME?

>> MOSES. >> CAN YOU SEE THE MAP THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. SO YOU ARE ONE OF THE HOUSES

RIGHT HERE ON THE CURVE? >> YES MINE IS THE ONE.

>> AM I CLOSE? THIS WAY?

OKAY RIGHT NEXT TO IT. >> OKAY.

>> MY QUESTION IS IS YOU SAID THERE WILL BE OFFENSE IS IT

OFFENSE OR IS IT A WALL? >> THE LAST I HEARD IT WAS A WOODEN FENCE 6 FEET TALL IS LIKE A STOCKADE TYPE OFFENSE.

>> THAT I CANNOT BE AN EXPERT IN BLOCKING NOISE.

>> GO AHEAD AND ASK A QUESTION. >> MY QUESTION IS IF THEY BUILT THAT FENCE THERE WERE SOME RUMORS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BIG TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT STILL THE

IDEA? >> I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY TRUCKS

COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> OKAY CAN YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE CHAIR AND ASKED THE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE WILL

ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS. >> MY QUESTION IS HOW BIG ARE THE CARS THAT ARE SUPPOSED BE COMING FROM THE GAS STATION

THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS QUESTION MAY BE RELATION TO THE STOP OUT, AND NOT SO MUCH THE LOCATION OF THE GAS STATION AND THE PUMPS.

BUT IF I PERCEIVE THE QUESTION CORRECTLY? WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE YOU SAID NEXT TO HIM THERE IS THAT OLD STYLE BUT OUT THAT IS NOT BUILT BUT IT IS ON PAPER.

YES, RIGHT THERE UNDER THE S ALMOST IN THE SITE.

THERE IS THAT BLUE LINE, AND THAT IS THE ON PAPER, WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXTENSION IT MAY BE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES GOING THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION, UTILIZING THAT CONNECTION.

>> THAT'S NOT WE CLOSE THIS, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT STOP

OUT? >> LETS JUST ASK OUR QUESTIONS.

>> WE WILL ADDRESS THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION?

OR THOSE ARE TWO THINGS. >> MY CONCERN IS THE ROAD IN THE FENCE, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE NOISE AND PRIVACY IT IS

JUST OFFENSE THAT JUST OFFENSE. >> OKAY WE WILL GET THEM TO DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT STOP OUT. YOU'RE WORRIED ALSO ABOUT

TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> YES WE HAVE SMALL KIDS AND

THEY WOULD. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? ONE FORWARD.

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>> HELLO GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS DR. MELISSA THOMPSON I LIVE AT 20 TO 26 TURNBERRY LANE, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE HOSES THAT ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SITE THAT AIRPLANE TO DELL DEVELOP THIS GAS STATION. SO THAT IS MINE.

>> THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? >> 2226 IT SAYS MCCORD WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY LAST YEAR SO IT SHOULD BE THOMPSON.

>> MI CLOSE TO THE HOUSE? >> THAT LONGEST ONE RIGHT AT THAT IS MINE. SO YOU GUYS POINTED OUT VEGETATION, THAT VEGETATION IS MINE SO I CAN DO WHAT WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH IT IN THE FUTURE SO THAT IS NOT GOING TO BLOCK THE DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTATIVE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING THERE, ALSO I HAVE A CHILDHOOD RESPIRATORY ISSUES WE ALL KNOW THAT GAS STATIONS THEY ADMIT A LOT OF FUMES.

SO NO I AM NOT FEELING SIMPLE MY CHILD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO GAS STATIONS ARE KNOWN TO BRING IN A LOT OF OTHER FOREIGNERS AND STRANGERS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU KNOW IT RAISES A SAFETY ISSUE FOR MYSELF AND MY CHILD.

I DON'T HAVE A CAMERA AT MY HOUSE, I AM GIVE FORCE TO BUY WANT TO PUT THAT BECAUSE, A GAS STATION IS GOING TO BE SO PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE THERE. ALSO, RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THAT SITE, THERE IS A GAS STATION ALREADY, EVERY TIME WE PASSED THAT GAS STATION THERE IS POLICE STATION VEHICLES THEY ARE, AND RANDOM PEOPLE THERE, WHY DO WE NEED TO GAS STATIONS IN THAT SAME VICINITY? ANOTHER POINT, OPA LOCKA, I WILL WHY WE CONCERN HAVE AN OPEN GAS STATION WHEN IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ME AND OPERA RESIDENTS THAT IS GOING TO BE THE BACK OF MY HOUSE ALL RIGHT? WHEN TIMES COMES FOR ME TOO SELL THE PROPERTY WHOM I GOING TO GET TO BUY IT BECAUSE THERE IS A GAS STATION AND VERY POOR GAS STATION BEHIND IT? THESE ARE MY CONCERNS, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS BUT YOU SHOULD

MAKE MY TIME TO 5 MINUTES. >> YOU STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE

MINUTES YOU CAN KEEP GOING. >> YES SO THOSE ARE THE MAJOR THINGS, THE OTHER THING THAT THEY SAID, IF I READ CORRECTLY, I THINK MOSES POINTS THAT THEY WANT TO USE TURNBERRY LANE, TO DIVERT THE TRAFFIC. MY CAT IS CHUNKY, EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY KNOWS MY CAT HE WALKS AROUND LIKE HE OWNS A PAID. ALL THE NEIGHBORS KNOW HIM SO THEY ARE CAREFUL OF HIM WHEN THEY COME IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN HE GOES OUT THEY KNOW. ALL THESE FOREIGN STRANGE CARS COME IN THEY ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT AND THAT'S JUST MY CAT THERE WERE OTHER CATS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEIR CHILDREN, MY CHILD IS ONE EURO, HE IS HERE, HE IS ALREADY A TORMENT.

HE WALKS AROUND EVERYWHERE, HE WANTS TO GET INTO EVERYTHING.

HOW AM I GOING TO KEEP MY COYOTES SHAVE IF STRANGERS CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY COMMUNITY? I DO NOT THINK THIS IS FAIR TO US. I KNOW IT IS A COMMERCIAL AREA, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT SITE. MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE UP IT DOES NOT HAVE A GYM, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH IT I DON'T THINK WE NEED A GAS STATION HERE.

AND THAT GAS STATION HERE, IS VERY USEFUL AND I SEE THAT A LOT OF MAY USE IT. WELL NOT REALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE EVERY TIME I GO THERE THERE'S HARDLY ANY CARS THERE, SO I REALLY DON'T THINK IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A PROFIT STANDPOINT THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY PROFITABLE PLACE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> JUST SIGNED AND IF YOU DO NOT MY.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE?

>> MY NAME IS MICAH LOSS 2151 ASHLEY COURT.

UPON THE END. I WAS CONCERNED BUT WHAT YOU BECAUSE OF THE KIDS THAT WE HAVE PLAYING IN THE YARD.

IT ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT WALK THEIR DOGS IN THE STREET, WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE PUSHING BABY CARRIAGES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I AM JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH THERE.

ESPECIALLY DURING RUSH HOUR, TRAFFIC CAN BE BACKED UP OUT INTO THE 280 BECAUSE THEY CANNOT TURN PROPERLY INTO THE AIR.

THE CARS GO ON THE 280 BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT A RED LIGHT IS. SO WE ARE JUST CONCERNED OF ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC TOO, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE THAT BUMP OUT WAS THERE THEY COME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND CUT BACK OUT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THEIR TURN.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? >> HI AM KELSEY WILDER, I AM

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MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE FENCING, AND THAT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC.

I HAVE TWO KIDS, UNDER 3-YEARS-OLD, BOTH OF THEM ARE OUTSIDE ALL DAY, WE TRY TO GET AS MUCH FRESH AIR AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW KIDS ARE KIDS THEY WANT TO PLAY AT ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC IT IS HARD, WHEN YOU'RE A STAY-AT-HOME MOM, I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR LIKE MICHAEL SAID, THE PEOPLE USING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS A CUT THROUGH TO AVOID ALL OF THE TRAFFIC.

BECAUSE THAT INTERCESSION IS TERRIBLE.

ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE, ESPECIALLY AT RUSH HOUR.

TASTED 280 INTERSECTION? YES 280,.

>> ESPECIALLY IN TURN OFF OF 280 ONTO SHELTON.

BECAUSE THAT JUST BACKS UP IT BACKS UP ALL THE WAY AND YOU CAN GET THREE CARS THROUGH. SO PEOPLE USE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO CUT THROUGH, AND THAT IS GOING TO WEAR DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN THERE IS PEOPLE WALKING, THERE ARE KIDS PLAYING.

PEOPLE JUST ENJOYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A GAS STATION KIND OF TAKING OVER THAT.

IT IS A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ENJOYED IT AS IT IS THEY CUT OUT ALL OF THE TREES. AND DURING WINTERTIME, THERE IS NO SOUND BARRIER, YOU CAN HEAR EVERYTHING.

FROM THE ROAD. SO, THE 6-FOOT FENCE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AT ALL, MAYBE A WALL MAY BE A HIGH WALL. BUT DEFENSE IS NOT GOING TO BLOCK ANY SOUND. HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS DON'T USED TO CUT THROUGH. THAT IS TO SPOTS FROM MY HOUSE, AND THEIR KIDS PLAY OVER THERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN MY NAME IS STACY WALLACE, MY HUSBAND HAS ALREADY SPOKEN WE LIVE AT 2151 ASHLEY COURT. I AM REITERATING WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID. I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT A ROAD, CUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS MY HUSBAND IS SPOKEN, BECAUSE OF THE MANY CHILDREN THAT PLAY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DO WANT TO SEE PROPERTY VALUES COME CRASHING DOWN.

AND I AM ALSO CONCERNED, BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY AS SOMEONE HAS POINTED OUT, A SERVICE STATION A TIGER EXPRESS RIGHT THERE.

AND WHEN EVER WE ARE TURNING TO GO ONTO SHELTON HILL.

FROM THE 280 I CANNOT TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES SOMEONE HAS SAID THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP, AND THEN SOMETIMES CAR WRECKS ARE THEY ARE. BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT TRY TO TURN LEFT INTO TIGER EXPRESS WHICH IS CURRENTLY, PEOPLE HIT THEM FROM BEHIND, OFF THE 280.

AND IF YOU BRING A ANOTHER SUCH BUSINESS RIGHT BESIDE IT, THAT IS ONLY GOING TO EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM, YOU WILL GOING TO HAVE MORE RACKS, IT IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS AND I'M HOPING THAT

THIS CAN BE AVOIDED THANK YOU. >> HI, I AM AMY PHILLIPS I AM A REPRESENT , REPRESENTATIVE FOR 360 MANAGEMENT I AM PROPERLY MANAGEMENT OVER AT SHELTON COLD. I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS IN ADDITION TO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE WAS SAYING, WE ACTUALLY JUST SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH ALABAMA POWER IN THE LIGHT WAS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ENTRANCE, WE ONLY HAVE INSTALLED ONE AND SINCE THE ENTRANCE IS SO CLOSE TOGETHER, THERE WAS ONE STOP INSTALLED ON THE OPPOSITE HAND SIDE.

>> ON SHELTON MONROE? >> YES THAT IS THE ONLY ENTRANCE INTO THEIR COMMUNITY. CORRECT YES, MA'AM.

SO ON THAT SIDE PLUS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SAINT THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT A LAMPPOST IS ACTUALLY INSTALLED SO WE SIGNED A CONTRACT TO DO ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND HELP FOR THAT. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIGHTING AS WELL SINCE IT IS SO DARK ANYWAYS ON THAT ENTIRE STRIP OF ROAD RIGHT THERE ON SHELTON MILL.

THERE IS NO LIGHTING, AS WELL AS THE EXTRA ADDED TRAFFIC I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD TRANSPIRE? BUT YES THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU ANYBODY ELSE?

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>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS MARTIN, I OWNED THE HOUSE FACING

BEHIND THE GAS STATION. >> CAN YOU GIVE US THE ADDRESS

FOR THE X RECORD. >> 2226 TURNBERRY LANE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO STOP THE GAS STATION? BEHIND THE HOUSE THAT'S THE ONLY

QUESTION I HAVE? >> I AM NOT SURE IF WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE EXACTLY, BUT WE DO HEAR YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE CARRY. LET'S SEE HERE I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO START THEN, SO, FIRST WOULD BE THE STUB OUT, RIGHT NOW THERE IS A PLANT FOR A STUB OUT THERE IS NO STEP OUT THERE IS THERE? IT IS NOT CONNECTED?

>> IT IS NOT CONNECT DID IT IS A PER STUBBLE.

>> AND THERE'S OTHER ANY OTHER STUB OUTS FARTHER DOWN SHELTON

MILL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> I THINK ASHLEY COURT IS THE STUB OUT TO THE SOUTH FOR FUTURE EXTENSION UPON DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY SO YES THIS WAS A KNOW IT STUB OUT AND WENT TO THE

SOUTH. >> BUT IT IS ONE OF YOUR ENGINEERING CONDITIONS IS THAT STILL?

>> I WAS MISTAKEN EARLIER I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT PLANNING FIRST, ENGINEERING ALSO HAS CONDITIONS.

>> IT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CONNECT, THE BRUTE STUB THROUGH

THE DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY SO THAT IS ONE, I HEARD ABOUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE I AM GOING TO ADDRESS A SHARE, BUT I HEARD THE LAND HAS BEEN CLEARED? THE TREES ARE ALL CUT DOWN? DO YOU HAVE THE REGULAR AERIAL VIEW?

>> I THINK THE DEVELOPER CLEARED THE PROPERTY AS CLEARED IT AT SOME POINT. IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.

>> WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF VEGETATION IN THE BACKYARD AND SO WHERE WOULD DEFENSE GO, I MEAN, IT IS ALL TREES.

>> ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE WAS THAT A LOT ABOUT THOSE TREES ARE ON THEIR PROPERTY, SO SATAN THEY CAN CUT THEM DOWN AND THAT WOULD TAKE THAT AWAY. SINCE THAT IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

>> SO WE STILL HAVE A GOOD BUFFER AT THIS POINT?

>> THERE TREES ARE PROBABLY MORE OF THE BUFFER, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE BUFFER AND LANDSCAPER REQUIREMENTS ON THAT

OTHER PROPERTY. >> RIGHT, OKAY.

>> THEY CAN TAKE DOWN THEIR OWN TREES ALL OF THEM AT ANY TIME.

>> ONE OF MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE FIT, IT JUST STOPS SHY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONVERT STOP OUT, SO THERE IS NO INTENTION OF MAKING THAT FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE,.

>> WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE BUT PART OF THAT IS A DRAINAGE AREA, SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE BUILT.

RIGHT BY THOSE PROPERTIES. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FARTHER NORTH. THERE ARE SOME STREAMS, AND THERE IS AN EXISTING DRAINAGE EXTENSION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN CAN I ADD TO THAT? THE CONDITION UNDER PLANET CONDITIONS NUMBER ONE TALKS ABOUT THE OFFENSE, BUT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE FENCE BEING IN A LOCATION WHERE IT IS ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE WAY IT IS WORDED RIGHT NOW DOES NOT EXTEND BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE MEETING THE OVERALL LEO, YES, THAT IS FINE.

RIGHT HERE. WE HAVE 3 ACRES FOR THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS IN THE CITY OF AUBURN.

SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WEST AND THEN THERE IS A DIAGONAL THAT GOES BACK OUT TO 280.

SO THE FENCE CONDITION RIGHT NOW, ANTICIPATES CONSTRUCTION OR OFFENSE, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS PRETTY MUCH A BUT THE GAS STATION SITE IS. I AM SAYING THIS FOR CLARITY SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE IS OFFENSE EXTENSION THAT IS NEEDED IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM A MODIFICATION.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE ROAD.

THAT MAY BE EXTENDED OUT INTO U.S. 280.

DID NOT -- BUT DIDN'T WE DECIDE TO CUT THAT? BECAUSE THEY ARE FEELING TRAFFIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO

THE GAS STATION. >> I THINK THE DISCUSSION IN THE RECENT MEETINGS WAS, ON THAT POINT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE CONSENSUS WAS TAKEN AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE WERE SOME POINTS ABOUT

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COMFORTABLE WITH. >> I THINK IT WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LAST ONE, SO WE NEVER REALLY.

WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

>> COULD WE ALSO INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM TAKE DEFENSE GOING TOWARDS TO 80 CAN WE HAVE THEM EXTENDED ALONG THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WILL LINE ALL THE WAY ACROSS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT

DEVELOPING THAT. >> I THINK YOU COULD IT IS A MATTER OF WHAT IS A REASONABLE EXTENSION FOR CONDITIONAL USE.

I SHOULD AND WE WERE EXTENDED ALONG THE WEST SIDE, BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO FUTURE COMMERCIAL LAND.

NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO. >> I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED OF THE BACKUP ON 280. IS THAT GOING TO BE,.

>> AT THIS DEVELOPMENT IF IT IS ACQUIRED WOULD MEET UP TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT STUDY, WE DO NOT KNOW THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE EXISTING CONDITION.

BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS SAY IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THERE IS OFTEN A BACKUP, JUMPING OFF UP TO 80 ONTO SHELTON ROAD PART OF IT IS CAUSED BY THE PROXIMITY OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE EXISTING GAS STATION.

THERE IS NOT A LOT OF STACKING AND THERE IS NOT A LEFT TURN LANE. WHEN THE OPAL LACQUER CITY ENGINEER A WHILE BACK WHEN THIS FIRST CAME IN, MY SUGGESTION WAS WE WIDEN SHELTON TO GET A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE EXISTING GAS STATION. AS WELL AS A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THIS ONE TO ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO TURN OFF IF 280 INTO THE GAS STATION TO GET IT. SO THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WERE

APPROVED. >> IS THERE IS ANY SORT OF BACKUP, AND IT IS A STANDOUT THAT MIGHT OPEN UP, I AM NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR THAT LINE TO GO AWAY I AM GOING TO CUT TO THE

NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THE PROBLEM THOUGH IS AS IT EXISTS, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE LEFT TURN AND TRAFFIC TO THE GAS STATION, BLOCKS THE TRAFFIC.

SO IT WOULD NOT BE THAT YOU COULD GO AROUND AND GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU CANNOT GO ANYWHERE.

ESSENTIALLY. >> HOW DO YOU CUT THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? IT ONLY HAS ONE ENTRANCE AND

EXIT RIGHT? >> YOU PUT THE STUFF ABOUT THEM.

>> THE STUB OUT IS NOT PART OF THE PROPOSAL, CONNECTING THAT STUB OUT IS NOT PART OF THE PROPOSAL.

>> IT IS ENGINEERING. >> IS A CONNECTOR?

>> IT IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE. >> IF YOU ARE COMING FROM BUT DR. MCCORD IF YOU ARE COMING FROM 280 YOU KNOCKING A PASS AND ENTER IS TO GET INTO ANOTHER ENTRANCE TO GET INTO THE SAME DESTINATION. SO THAT WILL NOT BE CUT TO

TRAFFIC COME THROUGH OPA LOCKA. >> IT MIGHT BE PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO CUT THE CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE

TO TRAVEL ON L. >> BUT IF YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTH ON SHELTON ROAD, IT IS ALSO NOT THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS ROUTE TO

CUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> BUT IF APPROVED THIS WOULD HAVE A DSL AND A CELL ACCELERATION.

>> BASED ON A TRAFFIC STUDY. >> YES.

>> BECAUSE THE OTHER GUESS IT DOES IT NOT HAVE OTHER.

>> IS NOT A 6-FOOT HIGH FENCE, IT MUST NOT BE A CHAIN-LINK FENCE WHAT DOES SOLID MEAN IN THIS CONTEXT? AND CAN WE THEORETICALLY CHANGE THE HEIGHT OF IT FROM HERE? OR DOES HAVE TO BE 6 FEET IS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OR WHAT?

>> LET ME SAY THIS, AND PLANNING OPERATIONS AND LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

A 6-FOOT FENCE OR WALL IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR ONE IT PROVIDES A SEPARATION, SO THERE ISN'T A VERY OLD PEOPLE GO BACK AND PUT THEM INTO PEOPLE'S YARDS. SOLID BECAUSE IT PROVIDES A VISUAL BUFFER, AND IT DOES PROVIDE SOME I WILL NOT SEEK BLOCKS ALL SOUND. BUT IT DOES BLOCK NOISE AND

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I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE IN THE COMMERCIAL AR

AREA,. >> THERE IS NO MAXIMUM.

>> SO IT IS ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WERE TALKING ABOUT OFFENSE AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, SO IF YOU FELT LIKE 8 FEET, I WOULD NOT GO OVER 8 FEET. TYPICALLY 6-FOOT IS PROVIDED, WOULD NOT WANT MORE THAN 8 FEET AND THAT IS MORE LIKE A BARRICADE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT I WOULD SAY IT SOLID, SO IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE A SHADOW BOX FENCE, WE HAVE A SET PANELS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT WHERE IT IS SOLID. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SHRUBS, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME SOME OTHER GREENERY BEHIND IT

LIKE MAGNOLIAS. >> ON THE SCREEN THERE IS A LANDSCAPE PALETTE OF PLANS THAT WOULD BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE

FENCE. >> ON THE GAS STATION SIDE.

SO THAT WOULD BE JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO WHAT DOES AN 8-FOOT FENCE LOOK LIKE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE? IF IT DOES NOT CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED?

>> NO I'M SORRY PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER.

LET'S SEE THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE DID NOT TELL WITH IS ONE

OF THE COMMENTS. >> LIGHTING?

>> LIGHTING IS ONE OF THE FUMES, IS THERE SOME KIND OF A MITIGATION ISSUE? I THINK THAT YOU DO WITH THAT? I DO NOT KNOW HOW GAS STATIONS WERE?

>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT I AM NOT THE PERSON

TO ANSWER. >> I WAS KIND OF ADDRESSING YOU.

>> YOU ARE ASKING IN GENERAL? >> CAN YOU GIVE US ANYTHING ON THAT? THAT WILL BE A GOOD START.

>> WITHIN THE GAS PUMP SYSTEM ITSELF THERE IS A VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEM SO IT WILL CAPTURE FUMES THAT ARE COMING BACK OUT OF THE GAS TANKS AS THEY ARE BEING FILLED, BUT I CANNOT GIVE YOU AN EFFECTIVE RATE OF WHAT IT IS BUT THERE IS A SYSTEM INVOLVED WITH THE GAS PUMP THAT DOES DO WITH THAT.

>> THE TRUCKS THAT OUTGASSING THERE ARE THEY REQUIRED BY LAW TO NOT IDLE WHILE THEY ARE PUMPING GAS?

>> I BELIEVE THERE SUPPOSED TO BE SHUT OFF.

YES, SIR. >> EVEN DIESEL? WHERE YOU CAN JUST RUN THEM AND PUMP GAS?

>> . Ú>>N

[CONSENT AGENDA]

[2. Annexation – Thaxton AX-2022-007 ]

[4. Annexation – Tiger’s Shadow AX-2022-009]

[5. Rezoning – Tiger’s Shadow – PUBLIC HEARING RZ-2022-004]

[6. Conditional Use – Tiger’s Shadow – PUBLIC HEARING CU-2022-019]

[7. Rezoning – Masters Court – PUBLIC HEARING RZ-2022-005]

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NOW YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO MASTERS COURT FOR

CONSOLIDATED PIPE TO ACCESS. >> THAT IS A CITY ROAD THAT WILL NOT CHANGE. ANY ROAD SERVICE USUALLY COMES

IN BEFORE YOU. >> THE OTHER PART OF THIS I

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>> IN OUR PREVIOUS ORDINANCE REQUIRED 40,000 SQUARE FEET FOR A ROAD SERVICE CHEESE. AND THEN WE DROP TO 230 SOMETHING. BUT THAT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE

THAT. >> I AGREE WITH YOU THAT OTHER ITEM WAS COMPENSATED FOR THE TAKING OF THAT ROAD AND THAT WAS AN AMICABLE SITUATION. BUT I THINK THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, OUT THERE IN THAT AREA WOULD LEND ITSELF TO LETTING THIS BE THE REASON. IT'S JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CAN GET SOME NICER STREET FRONTAGES AND PROBABLY IN SEEING A SUPPLY YARD CONSTRUCTION YARD WILL PILES OF LUMBER OR WHATEVER IT IS. I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL GOING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AS WELL.

AND IT WOULD TIE NICELY, IT WOULD TYPE NICELY WAS TOGETHER THE INEVITABILITY OF PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED.

AND TO KEEP COX ROAD LOOKING A LITTLE NICER I THINK IS BENEFITS NOT ONLY THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO BENEFITS ALL OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS AS WELL. AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL, SO I DO I NEED TO? MAKE A MOTION? WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REZONING TO CDD, CASE RZ 222005.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT?

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES, THE LAND IS REZONED FROM INDUSTRIAL TO AISTRUP'S BEST MENTAL NINE.

[8. Preliminary Plat – Swann Farm Phase 1 – PUBLIC HEARING PP-2022-007]

>> THIS IS A PLAT SUBMITTAL FOR SWAN FARM WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR ANNEXATION IN REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL USE ON THE COMMERCIAL PART THIS IS FOR PHASE ONE WHICH WE 22.5 ACRES THIS IS THE LOWER AREA PHASE ONE THAT IS THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS PHASE ONE RIGHT HERE. AND IT WILL INCLUDE 106 PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, 70 A SINGLE FAMILY HAS 28 AND THREE OPEN SPACE LOTS. THE PHASE ONE DENSITY IS 4.32, PER ACRE WHICH IS WELL BELOW THE PHASE ONE REQUIREMENTS FOR A PGD WILL HAVE 30% OPEN SPACE IN THIS PHASE ONE.

THIS NEEDS TO BE PDD PHASING REQUIREMENTS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS APPROVED WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND IT RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS TO BE MADE FOR SUBMITTAL WITH THE FINAL PRO PRODUCT.

THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THOSE CONDITIONS.

>> AS YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

WE JUST SPOKE WITH HIM. >> A MAP AND ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, IF ANYBODY CAN COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS PLEASE DO AT THIS TIME. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AS FOR A MOTION AND

CLARIFICATION. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE PP222007

WITH CONDITIONS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[9. Preliminary Plat –Northfield Estates– PUBLIC HEARING PP-2022-008]

>> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS ANOTHER PRELIMINARY PLAT NORTHFIELD ESTATES.

THIS IS PP2022008. MR. KIP IS NOT HERE ANYMORE.

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>> I THOUGHT HE MIGHT THINK I WOULD TAKE LONGER.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS.

>> SHE'S BACK. >> MR. KIP.

>> THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 7-WATT SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE NORTHERNMOST PORTION OF THE COUNTY.

ON THE BOARD WITH CHAMBERS COUNTY.

THE REASON THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, IS BECAUSE IT ISN'T THE PLANNING JURISDICTION.

AND IT IS MORE THAN FOUR LOTS. ANY TIME IT IS THAN FOUR LOTS, IT CANNOT BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY.

SO ESSENTIALLY THERE IS NO ISSUES WITH THE PLAT.

AND I BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY THANK YOU. IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? MR. SULLIVAN?

>> YES MR. CHAIR SCOTT SULLIVAN 1649 MAYFAIR COURT IN AUBURN I REPRESENT THE FAMILY ON THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS VERY SIMPLE SEVEN LOTS TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE ABILITY OF A LOT MORE CITIZENS COMING INTO THE AREA. AND THE COMMITTEES.

>> OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD THANKS. OKAY THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD PLEASE DO.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SIGN IN WHEN YOU

ARE DONE PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS MARY BROWN, I HAVE THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. AND I SIMPLY WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE TENT I'M SORRY CAN WE GET THAT BAD A MAP YOU TO THE

SOUTH I ASSUME? >> I AM NEXT TO IT GOING TOWARDS

THE 431. >> OKAY I GOT IT.

>> MY QUESTION IS HOW IS THE SEWER AND THE WATER PLAN WELLS OR SEPTIC SYSTEM AND OF THE LOTS BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD THAT?

>> OKAY WE CAN HAVE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED.

OKAY IS THAT IT? >> I KNOW YOU ARE THE CITY, BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE ON THAT ROAD 93, AND THAT IS THEY FLY DOWN THAT ROAD AT 45 MILES NOW AND THERE'S NEVER ANYBODY. AUBURN POLICE GO OUT THERE MORE THAN THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. BUT I HAVE ONLY SEEN THEM A COUPLE TIMES, I JUST THINK IT MIGHT BE SOME SAFETY ISSUES THERE, IF WE DON'T GET CONTROL OF IT.

>> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> OKAY I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING,.

>> MS. FRASER, WITH TO BE A TRAFFIC STUDY NEED FOR THIS? OR IS IT OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTION?

>> KNOW IT IS UNDER OUR THRESHOLD.

>> IS NOT TOO SMALL OF A PROPERTY OR DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN CAN ANYBODY ADDRESS THE SEWER OR WATER ANY OF THAT KIND OF, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT WHO IS PROVIDING THE WATER?

IS IT SEPTIC? >> IT WOULD BE SEPTIC.

AND THE LOTS WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH OR SEPTIC AND WATER SERVICE OUT THERE. I AM ASSUMING IT WOULD BE WELLS.

>> SO WELLS AND SEPTIC IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

>> THE LOTS ARE BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THAT?

>> YES. >> AND THEY ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WHICH WOULD BE BASICALLY ONE PER LOT.

>> I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWERS. >> YES ONE SEPTIC SYSTEM ON EACH

LOT AT LEAST. >> OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE. PP222008.

>> SECOND PERIOD. >> A MOTION IN A SECOND TO

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>> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES ONTO THE FINAL PLAT. THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC

HEARING, SO ENTER THE MOTION. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE FP222006.

[11. Preliminary Plat –Saidla – PUBLIC HEARING PP-2022-009]

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>> A MOTION A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED SAY NO THE MOTION CARRIES. NOW MOVING ONTO NUMBER 11, THIS IS A ANOTHER PRELIMINARY PLAT PP222009.

>> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO SUBDIVIDE TO LOTS A LITTLE OVER A HALF ACRE INTO SIX SIMPLE TOWNHOMES. LOTS I SHOULD SAY.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH DEPARTED LUBIN STREET.

IT IS THE MDR D AND CRD ZONING CITRIX.

THEY ALLOW TOWNHOMES BY RIGHT. AND AS FAR AS THE SUBDIVISION AND LAND IS CONCERNED, THE PLAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. I BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? SEEING NO ONE I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME SO IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEE NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. FOR MOTIONS OR QUESTIONS?

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE PP222009. >> I SET CONTAINS A MOTION IN THE SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY CDD.

[12. Conditional Use – Rusty Barrel– PUBLIC HEARING CU-2022-018]

>> CDD. >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES. NEXT ITEM IS THE RUSTY BARREL

CONDITIONAL USE CU222018. >> YES THE RAPID BARREL PACKAGE DEAL, CONDITIONAL USE OR COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT IT IS A PACKAGE START AT 200 WEST LYNN AVENUE.

IN THE URBAN CORE ZONING DISTRICT.

HERE IS THE AERIAL OF THE SITE. IT GOT LEFT AND RIGHT DOWN HERE ONE BY THE COLLEGE OVER HERE IS THE DEPOT IN CITY HALL AND FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. THIS USE WAS APPROVED, AS PART OF THE TROPICAL SMOOTHIE CONDITIONAL USE IN 2011.

BUT THE USE HAS SINCE EXPIRED SINCE THAT TIME.

THE AREA URBAN CORE, IS THE PROPERTY ZONING, COLLEGE-AGE OVERLAY, HERE TO THE SOUTH, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WEST TO THE WEST AND SINCE CRD W TO THE NORTH.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS URBAN CORE, AND THAT IN THE ZONING THEY DO ALIGN, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDS WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. WE DO HAVE ONE CONDITION, THAT WE ASK YOU TO ADD FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO BE LIMITED TO

11:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. >> THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT INDICATED THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE.

SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD MAKE THAT CONDITION FOR IT.

>> OKAY THANK YOU, IS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE WOULD LIKE

TO SPEAK? >> WE DON'T MIND OPERATING FROM 11:00 A.M. TO 11:00 P.M. THANK YOU.

>> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME ON THE RUSTY BARREL PACKAGE STORE. I SEE NO ONE ELSE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS OR EMOTION?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CU222018,.

>> SECOND CHANCE YES IT IS IN THERE IS A CONDITION.

IT IS LISTED AS A CONDITION. WITH THE COMMON.

WITH A COMMENT THAT I ALSO LIKED THE NAME.

>> IS AT A SECOND? >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE

[13. Conditional Use – Greystone Commercial Development – PUBLIC HEARING CU-2022-028]

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. >> MOTION CARRIES OKAY NUMBER 13, THIS IS A ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE GREYSTONE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, SEE YOU 2022 IS 028 MR. CAP.

>> THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ISSUE USE APPROVAL

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THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION ALSO INCLUDED A CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE FACILITY BUT THAT PORTION OF THE REQUEST HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AT THIS TIME. THEY MAY COME BACK WITH IT AT A LATER DATE. BUT THEY ARE PROCEEDING WITH THE REQUEST FOR THE BANK DIRECTOR, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1600 EAST SANFORD AVENUE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL AND ADJACENT TO GREYSTONE POINT.

A MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT. SUBJECT PROPERTY IS JOB NINE HEAD ALLOWS OFFICE USES AND BANKS BY RIGHT, HOWEVER THE DRAFT TO THE COMPONENT OF THE BANK REQUIRES OFFICIAL USE APPROVAL. THAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA.

AND 2018, THE GREYSTONE AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WAS A APPROVED AND IT ALSO INCLUDED A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OF THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN. THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND YOU CAN SEE IT HIGHLIGHTED IN RED. HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE THE BANK IN THE SITE IN HERE. AND THEN AGAIN THE REASON FOR BEING ON CONDITIONAL USE IS BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE TO COMPONENT. THREE DRIVE THROUGH AND BANK ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF OFFICE PARK AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

I WOULD JUST NOTE, THE ONLY CONDITION APPLICABLE TO THE BANK SITE, IS PLANNING CONDITION NUMBER THREE.

SO IF YOU ARE TO APPROVE IT RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THAT WOULD

BE THE ONLY CONDITION. >> WAIT A MINUTE SO,.

>> DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT NOTATION.

>> IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL, YOU CAN RECOMMEND COUNSEL WITH APPROVAL WITH ONLY PLANNING CONDITION

NUMBER THREE. >> DOES NOT APPLY TO THE

STORAGE? >> THAT IS RIGHT.

>> IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING?

>> SAM 7-FOOT FOUR CALL THE COURT AUBURN.

PARKER IS OUT OF TOWN SO I AM KIND OF FILLING END.

SO IF THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER THEM, BUT I THINK IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, SINCE WE REMOVED THE CLIMATE STORAGE FOR NOW. JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE

ANYTHING. >> OKAY WILL DO THANK YOU.

THIS CASE REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS ITEM OF GREYSTONE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME? SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR EMOTION.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE CU222028 WE CONDITION NUMBER THREE.

PLANNING CONDITION NUMBER THREE. >> I SECOND PERIOD.

>> MOTION IN A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[14. Conditional Use –Owens Crossing Self Storage – PUBLIC HEARING CU-2022-029]

>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO, THE MOTION CARRIES, THE NEXT ONE IS NUMBER 1401'S CROSSING SELF STORAGE AS CONDITIONAL USE C CU222029.

>> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USE.

LOCATED ON NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE RECENTLY DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD HERE.

THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE HERE.

AND ACROSS DONAHUE THERE IS A CUL-DE-SAC THAT HAS SOME HOMES ON IT. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED CDD COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USE IS CONDITIONAL.

MOST OTHER COMMERCIAL USES IN DON'T COUNT ARE ALLOWED.

THE FUTURE LAND USE IS EXTRA PLAN MIXTURES, WHICH MEANS THE COMMERCIAL USES AND SHOULD BE IN A CONTEXT TO A SURROUNDINGS, IN THE AREA. THE PROPOSAL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR FUTURE LAND USE, DUE TO THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND NUMBER TWO, THE ORIENTATION OF THE DRIVE.

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AND THERE IS 815-FOOT BUFFER YARD, THAT SEPARATES RESIDENCES FROM THE DRIVE. HOWEVER, THAT IS VERY MINIMAL TO MITIGATE ANY OF THE POTENTIAL NUISANCES.

WE DO RECOMMEND DENIAL DUE TO THIS.

AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I AM SORRY THERE IS ALSO A WAIVER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

THEY ARE PROPOSING A 105,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING THAT IS THREE STORIES, AND THAT IS ABOUT 97% F AR.

AND FOR A CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE FACILITY THE MAXIMUM IS 80%. AND THERE WERE DISCREPANCIES IN THE SITE PLAN. THAT WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON.

THE MEASUREMENT OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS CALCULATED IS ROUGHLY 8,429,000, WHICH WOULD PUT THE THREE STORIES AT 88 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. SO I AM NOT SURE WHERE THE 105,000 SQUARE FEET IS CALCULATED.

MR. BASS? IS A REPRESENTATIVE I'M SURE HE

CAN ISSUE QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU MR. VAZQUEZ.

>> GOOD EVENING, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT I THINK THAT THE I THINK THAT THE THE USE ON VERTICAL SELF STORAGE I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE INTENSITY OF STORAGE AND KIND OF USE ON THAT.

I WILL.OUT, AND THE CONDITIONAL USE RIGHT UP, THERE IS NO ISSUES FROM ENGINEERING OR WATER RESOURCES, IT WAS REALLY JUST THE PLANNING SIDE OF THIS. SO IF YOU READ THROUGH CAN YOU GIVE ME A FULL VIEW ON THIS. SO THIS PROPERTY THAT HAS OUTLINED ALL OF THE PROPERTY IT WAS OF THE OWENS FAMILY TRUST.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MASTER PLAN MIXTURES, DESIGNATION, THE WALMART NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME IN HERE. IF YOU LOOK ON THE FAR EAST SIDE, OVER THERE THAT WAS IN NC 18 ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD.

FACTOR MANY MOONS AGO WHEN SOME OF THIS.

THERE WAS A STRIP OF DDA'S THAT WAS REZONED I THINK IT WAS AT 300-FOOT WIDE STRIP OF TDH, WAS PUT IN THERE, TO BUFFER THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION FROM THE ZONING THAT WAS THERE.

SO WITH IT BEING TDH, THERE WAS NOTHING YOU COULD DO WITH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY OTHER THAN SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RIGHT? SO WE HAD THIS OVERALL PARCEL WE HAVE THIS DDA STRIP THAT WAS THERE TO STEP DOWN FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION TO COMMERCIAL. AND NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STEP DOWN FROM NEIGHBORHOOD FROM TDH, AND TO CDD.

SO WE HAD TO STRIP RETAIL, WHAT THE WALMART WAS DONE, IT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ACROSS ACCESS, FOR THAT REMAINING PARCEL. IN REGARDS TO THE LEFT OVER PIECES THAT ARE THERE NOW. WENT THE WALMART WAS DOWN, THERE WAS NO CROSS ACCESS GIVEN TO THE REMAINING CDD.

I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PROPERTY UNTIL AFTER NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET. I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING ELSE.

I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT. SO THAT SHIP KIND OF SALE.

THAT ACCESS FROM WALMART, IS THE FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY FOR WALMART. IT IS AT THE HIGH POINT OF THE ROAD AND THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD HIGH POINT THAT YOU CAN, THAT DRIVEWAY YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE DOWN IT, BUT WHAT'S WE DID THE

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SO WHEN WE DID THIS, THE WAY THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVE CONTENT, WE WORKED WITH ENGINEERING TO PLANT OUT THAT THE ONLY PLACE THIS DRIVEWAY COULD GO TO MEET SIGHT DISTANCE FOR THIS LOT, WAS WHERE WE KIND OF HABIT SHOWN ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. SO IT MET THE SPACING BETWEEN IT AND WALMART, AND IT DIDN'T MAKE THE SPACING BETWEEN IT AND THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WAS ALL WORKED OUT DURING THE PROCESS. ON THAT CURB CUTS, BECAUSE THE CURB CUT IS WHAT IS DRIVING A LOT OF THIS.

WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THERE IS SOME OTHER QUESTIONS IN HERE REGARDS TO LIKE BUILDING HEIGHT FROM LIKE 38 WHY IS IT 38? ON ONE SIDE ON 32 ON THE OTHER? SO ON A THREE-STORY BUILDING THE SLOPE OF THE GROUP AS A SINGLE SLOPE ROUTE. AND SO, IT IS FOLLOWED IN HALF AN INCH PER FOOT, AND WE ARE GOING TO CROSS 200-FOOT BUILDING THIS GAME IS 6-FOOT DIFFERENT IS ONLY WITH THE ROOF TO TRAIN IT AS A SINGLE SLOPE ROOF. SO WE HAD THE SINGLE SLOPE ROOF, AND WE HAD THE LOW SIDE OF THE SINGLE SLOPE ROOF, ON THE WALL MY SIDE TO TRY TO PUSH THE BUILDING AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO WALMART, TO GET IT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY WOULD WANT TO BUILD OR CLOSE TO WALMART, NOT THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

THAT WAS WHAT WE THOUGHT. SO IF THAT IS KIND OF WHY THERE IS SOME QUESTIONS IN THE REGARD NOT THE RIGHT UP IN REGARDS TO THAT. BUT SELF STORAGE USE IS A LOW INTENSITY USE. PEOPLE THAT COME, AND PUT STUFF IN STORAGE, I'M NOT PEOPLE THAT COME THERE EVERY DAY, IT IS NOT LIKE IT IS A BUSINESS. IN REGARDS TO PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, AND ACCESSING EACH THING EVERY DAY.

THERE IS ALL KINDS OF USERS. BUT IN REGARDS TO TRIP GENERATION IN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT STORAGE IT IS THE LOWEST THAT WE COULD USE.

ON 105,000 SQUARE FEET, JUST TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, ON A HUNDRED 5,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING. MY DAILY TRAFFIC FOR 105,000 SQUARE FEET IS A HUNDRED AND 50 TEACHERS PER DAY.

THAT'S NINE IN THE AMP, AND THAT IS 16 TRIPS IN THE PM PEAK OKAY.

THAT IS FOR A THREE-STORY BUILDING AT A HUNDRED 5,000 SQUARE FEET. IF I DID A SINGLE STORY OFFICE 33,000 SQUARE FEET, AND I DON'T BRING UP OFFICE.

BUT PROBABLY THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT YOU COULD GET IN HERE IS AN OFFICE. I TAKE THAT BACK.

THERE IS OTHER STUFF, BUT I SINGLE-STORY OFFICE AND 30,000 SQUARE FEET, IS 362 JUST FRIDAY. IT IS 54 IN THE P.M. IT IS ALMOST THREE TIMES AS TRAFFIC FOR WHAT YOU WOULD THINK IS A LOW INTENSITY OFFICE USE. AS OPPOSED TO IN LOW INTENSITY STORES. MOST OF TIME PEOPLE COME IN THEY DROP THE STUFF OFF AND IT IS LEFT THERE.

IF PEOPLE ARE MOVING LIKE FOR MOVING HOUSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, MOST COMMERCIAL MOVERS KEEP THAT STUFF AND HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE STORES. A LOT OF BUSINESSES USE THIS FOR INVENTORY ON SOME. A LOT OF DRUG REPS USES FOR WHERE THEY KEEP SUPPLIES AND STUFF.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF USES, BUT IT IS USUALLY PEOPLE USING DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. FOR THE MOST PART.

THERE IS AN OFFICE UPFRONT, THAT IS OPEN 9-5.

BUT USUALLY YOU HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR UNIT 24 HOURS A DAY.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT USES. FOR ZONE CDD IS THE MOST INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE WE CAN USE THE DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE ALLOWED, PERMITTED BY RIGHT, NO OFFICE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, AND AUTO ACCESSORIES STORE, A CAR PARTS STORE THAT WE PUT ORDERS ONLY. PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

A LOT MORE INTENSE. PACKAGE STORE, VET CLINIC, YOU CAN DO A RESTAURANT YOU CAN DO DRIVE THROUGH BUT YOU DO RESTAURANT OUTDOOR SEATING PET SUPPLY, I MEET YOU START LOOKING AT THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, THOSE USES ARE A HECK OF A LOT MORE INTENSIVE THAN SELF STORAGE.

YOU CAN GO TO THE CONVENIENCE SO IT JUST CAME TO GAS PUMPS.

YOU CAN DO BUILDING MATERIAL SALES, WE CAN BASICALLY HAVE A

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YOU CAN HAVE RETAIL AND WHOLESALE NORSE TREES, YOU CAN HAVE A WHOLE OUTDOOR NURSERY OUT HERE, ADJACENT TO THEM.

SO MY POINT OF IT IS LIGHT, IS SELF STORAGE IN ITSELF IS A VERY LOW END INTENSIVE USE MOST OF THE TIME AROUND HERE, IT IS REALLY USE TWO WEEKS OUT OF THE YEAR.

TURNOVER, MOVE IN A MOVE OUT. THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS.

NOW WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE WAIVER, FOR THIS ON THE BUILDING. WE HAVE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT THERE WITH MANY STORIES AND DEAL WITH CLIMATE CONTROLLED SERVERS.

WE RAN INTO THIS BEFORE WHEN I DID IT.

IN THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARD THAT WERE WRITTEN, FOR THIS WORK WRITTEN BEFORE VERTICAL CELL STORAGE WAS EVEN A THING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERTICAL CELL STORAGE, I MEAN, THE CLIMATE CONTROL STORAGE, THE MAXIMUM F AR IS 80%, 80%. THE MAXIMUM ISR IS 70%.

SO WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 10% MORE THAN THE ISR, IF YOUR ISR IS YOUR BUILDING AND YOUR PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT GOING VERTICAL.

AND SO, MOST OF THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ARE GEARED TOWARDS SINGLE STORAGE MANY STORES TO DRIVE UP OUTSIDE ENTRY TYPES OUT.

THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF THE 70 AND 80% THAT IS TALKED ABOUT IN THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARD COMES FROM.

THAT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WHEN WE WERE DOING HYATT HOUSE AND ACKNOWLEDGED BY STAFF THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING BE LOOKED AT. IT HAS BEEN MANY YEARS AND MANY OTHER ISSUES TO RESOLVE. WENT WE DID THE HYATT HOUSE AND HOPEFULLY YOU REMEMBER THE HYATT HOUSE WHICH IS EAGLE STORAGE ON SOUTH GAY STREET FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

WHEN WE DID THAT WE HAD A WAIVER ON F AR TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT.

WE HAD WAIVER EIGHT TO 1.25, SO WE WENT UP ALMOST 45%.

AN INCREASE IN F AR, WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THAT ONE IS IN THE ISR, WE ENDED UP GETTING A WAIVER ON THAT ONE, FOR ISR, FROM .72.81. THAT WAS ON THE HIGH HOUSE.

BACK UP TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. IT IS, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS FROM 80% TO 98%. BUT MY F AR IS HALF OF THAT MY F AR IS 48%. SO WE ARE BASICALLY HAVE A TON OF GREEN SPACE IN THIS THINK WE ARE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THIS THING AND KEEP IT IN. FROM THE ISR IS HALF OF WHAT MY F AR IS. AND ALMOST HALF OF WHAT IT WAS ON HYATT HOUSE. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT.

IT IS NOT LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.

THE ONLY OTHER VERTICAL CELL STORIES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN IS MULTI STORAGE IS THE STUFF THAT IS OUT THERE IN BENT CREEK. YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ON BENT CREEK ACROSS FROM THE WAFFLE HOUSE, IT BACKS UP TO THE AIRPORT. THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, IS ON FOUR AND A HALF ACRES. AND THAT IS THE MOST OF THAT ACREAGE IS UNUSABLE SLOPE FROM THE AIRPORT DOWN TO THE ROAD.

SO THAT IS WHY THAT PARTICULAR VERTICAL CELL STORIES DID NOT HAVE TO GET AN F AR WAIVER. SO JUST SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT HISTORY ON HOW THESE OTHER ONES HAVE KIND OF WORK, AND WHAT WE ARE RUNNING INTO, RUNNING UP TO, IN THIS.

BUT ESSENTIALLY WE FEEL LIKE THE SELF STORAGE IS A PRETTY GOOD USE HERE. IT IS NOT LIKE PEOPLE ARE CAN'T SEE OUT OF THE BUILDINGS AND PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, THE PARKING LOT, WE HAVE REDUCED AND ACTUALLY REDUCED PARKING SPACES.

AT STAFF REQUESTS FOR TURNAROUND.

SO WE FELT LIKE WE HAVE MADE SOME COMPROMISES IN REGARDS TO THAT. YOU DON'T WE ARE FINE PUTTING UP A SCREEN FENCE, BETWEEN US AND THE NEIGHBORS, AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL, IT IS NOT A PROBLEM.

IF THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. SO, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER

QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT THANKS.

>> ONE THING I FAILED TO MENTION YOU GUYS, WE DID RECEIVE ONE CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS CASE. AND I FORWARDED THAT TO YOU EARLIER TODAY. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW

THAT. >> OKAY THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC

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FORWARD AND SPEAK NOW PLEASE DO. >> STEPHEN BATSON 1414 BERKELEY CIRCLE. FIRST.IS, I AM THE LARGEST SELF STORAGE OPERATOR IN THE CITY OF AUBURN.

I DON'T MIND THE COMPETITION, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE COMPETITION.

BUT MY ONLY QUESTION IS EVERYBODY PLAYS BY THE RULES.

AS AN F AR OR SURFACE RATIO THAT HAS TO BE MET, I JUST SIMPLY ASK THAT EVERYBODY DOES. THE QUESTION IS IT IS A 20 -- A THREE-STORY BUILDING ADJACENT TO ONE STORY RESIDENTIAL.

BUT AGAIN I DON'T WANT GOOD COMPETITION THERE IS A LOT OF IT AROUND, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU GET A MOTION, WOULD YOU MIND.

>> I NEED TO CLOSE A PUBLIC AREA.

>> THANK YOU I DO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TOO FAR.

SO, I WOULD VENTURE THE LETTER THAT IS GREAT.

I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, LET'S SEE IN ADDITION TO ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN, AND DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT.

I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE REPORT SUMMARY TALKS ABOUT THERE IS ALSO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND THREE STORIES OF STORAGE NEXT TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, I THINK THERE IS AN INCOMPATIBILITY QUESTION THERE AS WELL.

YOU ARE SITTING IN YOUR HOME, YOU HAVE THE THREE-STORY BUILDING BEHIND YOU AND ALL OF THE ACTIVITY AREA, IT IS BETWEEN YOUR BACKYARD AND THIS PROPOSED BUILDING.

OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT WERE MENTIONED, PROBABLY WOULD ALLOW A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION OF SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES IF IT WAS A SMALL RETAIL OPERATION OR AN OFFICE, YOU COULD PROBABLY COME IN WITH THE DRIVEWAY AND THE LOCATION THAT IT IS AND PROVIDE PARKING ALONG WITH DONAHUE. WITH THE BUILDING IN THE BACK OF SHOP IF YOU WILL WHERE THERE WOULD NOT BE ACTIVITY PER SE.

ALONG THE SINGLE-FAMILY IT WHICH I THINK PROTECTS A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

WE DID NOT PUT CONDITIONS IN YOUR REPORT, BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU WERE TO INCLINED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS, THEN I CERTAINLY WOULD THINK THAT LIMITATIONS ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE ADVISABLE.

I HAVE RENTED A LOT OF MINI SURGE OF MY LIFE.

AND I KNOW I HAVE GONE THERE AT FIVE AFTER TEN IT WAS CLOSE.

AND THAT WAS NOT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, JUST SOME THINGS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AGAIN.

ACTIVE AREAS OF UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND THE THREE-STORY NATURE OF THIS IF WAS ONE STORY THAT MIGHT NOT BE QUITE THE SAME, BUT A THREE-STORY BUILDING THAT YOU LOOK AT THROUGH YOUR BACKYARD IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT I THINK THANK

YOU. >> OKAY TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR

A MOTION. >> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY WHAT IS THE PROPOSED HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING?

>> IT IS 32 ON ONE SIDE AND 30 ON THE OTHER.

-- IT IS 32 ON ONE SIDE AND 38 ON THE OTHER.

>> 32-38? >> WE ARE DELIVERING.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT HERE WAS RE- ORIENTATING THE BUILDING. YOU HAVE TO PICK WHAT SIDE YOU WANT TO GO AT. BECAUSE AT ONE TIME WE WERE SAYING WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING NEXT TO THEIR BUT THAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE PARKING ON THAT SIDE.

IF YOU SHIFT THE BUILDING WE ARE PUTTING TO THE CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND IT IS TOTALLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT STEVE JUST SAID. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOVING AROUND, THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS ANY TIME EVEN IN THE COMP PLAN, IN THE FUTURE LAND USE AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU ALL RECOMMEND EVERYTHING STREET FRONT.

ANYTHING THAT COMES HERE THAT GOING TO PUSH FOR THE PARKING TO BE BEHIND THE STRUCTURE AND NOT IN FRONT OF IT.

BECAUSE THAT WHAT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DOES.

SO, IN ONE THINK WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE THREE STORIES UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THEN WE ARE SYNCED WITH THE BUILDING CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MOVE INTO THE PARKING LOT TO THE OTHER SIDE. WHAT EVER GOES HERE THERE IS GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO THIS BACKYARD OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ALWAYS BEEN, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS ALWAYS GOING TO GO.

YOU KNOW THAT IS THE ONLY WAY IT IS GOING TO WORK.

YOU KNOW MOST OF THE TIME WE GET PUSHBACK WHEN WE PUT PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON A MAJOR CORNER.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN HE IS RIGHT AS FAR AS THE INTENSITY OF THE USE.

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I THINK THE THREE-STORY BUILDING I DON'T CARE WHERE THERE IS BACK FACING WALMART OR FACING THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

THREE-STORY BUILDING IS IS PRETTY INTIMIDATING TO A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENT. BUT THEY USE IS RIGHT, THE USE IS NOT INTENSIVE. BUT IT IS THE SIZE IN THE SCALE OF IT. THAT BOTHERS ME.

SO IF WE COULD GET THIS INTO SOME KIND OF LESSER SIZE AND HEIGHT AND SO FORTH I MIGHT BE CONSIDERING IT.

BUT RIGHT NOW AS IT IS PRESENTED I CANNOT GO WITH IT.

>> IT YOU WANT TO GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

>> I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU KEPT THE F AR AT 80% AS OPPOSED TO 90 IS THAT WHAT THEY THE WAY OR OR IF IF THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND SOMEWHERE.

>> WHEN I MEASURED THE BUILDING HERE IT WOULD TOTAL 88,000.

BASED ON THE FOOTPRINT HERE. SO, THAT IS ONLY 2%.

>> I CAN MAKE A MOTION. THAT I MOVE THAT THE OMENS CROSSING CLIMATE CONTROL STORAGE BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL DUE TO THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE USE.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY DID --

SAY AYE. >> ROLL CALL PLEASE.

CARRIES, IT WOULD BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL WITH RECLAMATION

[15. Final Plat – Plainsman Subdivision – Connector Road Dedication PL-2021-00553]

FOR DENIAL. >> OKAY, WE ARE ON OTHER BUSINESS AT THIS TIME, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FINAL PLAT, CASE PL 202100,553. IT IS THAT PLAINSMAN SUBDIVISION

CONNECTOR ROAD DEDICATION. >> YES THIS IS A FINAL PLAT REQUEST FOR A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION.

NORTH OF MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE.

FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEDICATING THE CONNECTOR ROAD FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING THAT WILL EVENTUALLY HIT RICHMOND.

AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> WE DO NOT NEED A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE DEDICATION OF PLAINSMAN SEPTIC

DIVISION CONNECTOR ROAD. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION AS I CAN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO.

[CHAIRMAN’S COMMUNICATION]

I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO SAY. SINCE THIS IS MY LAST MEETING.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE FORMER MAYOR BILL HAM FOR MY INITIAL APPOINTMENT, MAYOR ANDREWS IN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS OF AUBURN. FOR MY TWO TERMS AS CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE THE CITY. I AM PROUD OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. SOME ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAPID GROWTH THAT HAS OCCURRED IT, BUT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN AUBURN. IT IS ONE OF THE BEST PLACES TO LIVE, AND YOU SIMPLY CANNOT PUT A FENCE AROUND THE CITY TO KEEP THEM OUT. SO LIKE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION, AND HAS A CRUCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. AUNT MAKE OUR CITY THE BEST THEY CAN BE, AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB SO FAR.

IT IS UP TO OTHERS AND I AM COMPLETELY CONFIDENT THAT I LEAVE THIS POSITION IN THE COMMISSION IN THE GOOD HANDS FOR THE FUTURE. I AM PROUD TO BE PART OF A

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DO THE RULES PAY ATTENTION TO THE RULES AND FOR SERVICE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RULES CHANGE RULES.

THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS. AND YOU CHANGE IT THERE IS A PROCESS TO DO THAT SO YOU HAVE TO BUY INTO THE SYSTEM TO MAKE IT WORK. AND I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION IS DONE THAT. I AM ALSO PROUD OF THE PARTICIPATION OF AUBURN CITIZENS TO MAKE AUBURN A BETTER PLACE FOR THE FUTURE. I AM GLAD THAT WE REGULAR RECEIVED CITIZENS LIKE YOU AND ME GET UP AND TAKE A STAND FOR WHAT THEY FEEL IS RIGHT. IT IS GOOD OLD DEMOCRACY IN ACTION AND FINALLY OFFER MY SINCERE THANKS TO THE PLANNING STAFF INCLUDING OUR PREVIOUS PLANNING DIRECTOR FORREST COTTON, AND I WOULD ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE KATIE ROBINSON AND AMBER ENGLISH WHO HAS FOR MY ENTIRE JOURNEY.

I HAVE LEARNED A GREAT DEAL FROM ALL OF HER, SO THANK YOU VERY

[STAFF COMMUNICATION]

OVER TO THE STAFF. [APPLAUSE]

>> MOSTLY I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON YOUR DEPARTURE AND I HAVE NOT WORK WHICH VERY LONG I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON HOW WELL YOU WERE IN THE MEETING AND YOUR DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF AUBURN SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SECONDLY I WOULD JUST SAY FOR ALL OF YOU ON YOUR NEXT JULY AGENDA WE WILL HAVE WHATEVER ELECTION OF OFFICERS MAY BE NECESSARY WE WILL HAVE IT ON YOUR AGENDA. SO BE PREPARED TO MAKE THOSE MOTIONS AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY SO THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.