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[ROLL CALL]
SPILL MY WATER. OKAY.WE ARE NOW, THE OCTOBER 13TH, 2022 MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. WE WILL BEGIN BY HAVING THE
SECRETARY CALL THE ROLL. >>> DANA CAMP, HERE.
ROBIN BRIDGE, HERE. MCCORD, HERE.
BOB, WENDY BIRMINGHAM, DAVID WISDOM, JOSEPH H. STOP AND JANNA
>>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL WELCOME ALL OF THOSE IN ATTENTION DANCE AND I APPRECIATE YOU CARING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR CITY AND THE PROCESS AND THOSE VIEWING MY STREAMING PROCESS, BY DIDN'T GIVE A BRIEF COMMENT BEFORE WE HAVE IT IS DISERCH COMMUNICATION REGARDING OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS, MANY ARE FAMILIAR OF THE ORDER BE YOU THERE MAY BE A FEW THAT ARE NOT.
WE HAVE EACH AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU SEE ON THE AGENDA, WE WILL BE PRESENTED BY A STAFF MEMBER TO THE BOARD.
AND COMMENTS AND FURTHER PRESENTATION WILL BE ALSO MADE BY THE PLEANTD AND THE PUBLIC MEETING WILL BE HELD IF IT IS APPROPRIATE AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DISCUSS YOUR CONCERNS OR ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT
SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE AGENDA. >>> WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, HOWEVER, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO FIVE MINUTES, AND TO SIGN IN THE BOOK IS WHERE, RIGHT THERE, WHEN YOU FINISH, OUR BEFORE YOU COME UP, EITHER BUT WE WANT TO MAKE IT HAVE A PUBLIC RECORD, OF YOUR PRESENTATION --, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED THEN THE APPLICANT WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT IS BROUGHT UP IN THE PUBLIC HEAR, AND THE STAFF, THE APPLICANT AFTER WE HAVE ALL THE INPUT, THE, AND THE CORRESPONDENCE, IF IT HAS BEEN ANY MADE TO US, IT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD AND THE COMMISSIONER WILL DELIBERATE AND ENACT THE PROPOSAL. WE DO HEAR EVERYONE, BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE NOT ONLY INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT IS SAID IN THE, AND THE CASE LAW AND THE CODE OF ALABAMA SAY ABOUT THE PARTICULAR LEGAL RAM RAMIFICATIONS OF IT AND OF COURSE OUR MAJOR PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC GOOD.
WITH THAT, WE WILL SEE IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, BRING UP AND ISSUE THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY KIND OF PLANNING ISSUE, THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED ON TODAY'S AGENDA THEN THIS SA GOOD TIME FOR YOU TO COME UP AND COSO NOW. IS THERE ANYONE?
>>> , AND SEEING THERE IS NO OLD BUSINESS WE KNOW OF SO WE
[CONSENT AGENDA]
WILL GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND ASK THE STAFF TO REVIEW QUICKLY THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA INCLUDE MINUTES FROM THE PACKET MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 6TH AND THE REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 8TH AND THEN YOU HAVE AND APNOTATION FOR BUCKIE'S PONDS, FINAL PLAT FOR THE SILOS AT CONWAY, AND FINAL PLAT FOR THE HAVEN AT PLAIN LAKE, THANK YOU.JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE MINUTES FOR THE PACKET MEETING WERE MODIFIED AND YOU WERE SENT COPIES OF THAT REVISED MINOR CHANGE SO WHEN YOU VOTE DON'T FORGET REVISED MINUTES FOR THE PACKET MEETING. THANK YOU.
>>> OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO REMOVE ANY OF THE I'M EPPS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDAER FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, PLUS THE AMENDED MINUTES OF THE PACKET MEETING SEPTEMBER 6TH AND THE REGULAR MEETING SEPTEMBER 8TH?
>>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>>> SECONDED. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY EYE.
AND THEN COSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN A APPROVED.
[4. Annexation – Greinke]
THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS, IS THE ANNEXATION.THIS IS THE ANNEX MOTION FOR HILL AND DALE DRIVE.
PROPER THE I IS LOCATED SOUTH OF SAND HILL ROAD IN WEST OF SOCIETY HILL ROAD, AND IT IS COMPRISE OF THE 29.94-ACRES, THERE IS PROPER THETY TO THE NORTH THAT ZONED RURAL, AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, THE PROPER THE I IS LOCATED OUTSIDE IN ADJACENT TO OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, WHICH CAN BE SEEN AT THE NORTHERN --
>>> >>> IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME
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THAT IS EXISTING. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL, BASED ON THE PROPERTY BEING OUTSIDE OF THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, ANYQUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT WOULD THEY WISH TO MAKE A STATEMENT? AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT OR DOES NOT CHOOSE TO MAKE A STATEMENT. SO, I WILL REFER THE THIS THEN TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ANYONE WOULD MAKE A COMMENT? >>> I WILL MAKE A COMMENT.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I REALIZE THAT IT IS OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY THAT THE REASON WHY THE STAFF MADE ITS RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IT IS -- I THINK THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT WE EXPECT STAFF TO DO, THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT DOES ABUT AND EXISTING CORPORATE BOUNDARY AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER AREA THAT, ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT IS WITHIN THE CITY.
I REALLY, I THINK -- I DON'T SEE ANY NEGATIVE ASPECTS IN ACTUALLY APNEXTING THIS PROPERTY IN. IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE SUBDIVIDED LATER INTO SEVEN DIFFERENT PROPERTIES BUT I DON'T SEE THE IMPACT BEING THAT GREAT, TO SIMPLY DISCOLLUDE THIS ONE.
>>> I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ACTUALLY APPROVING THIS REQUEST.
>>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD?
>>> I DO. I VIEW THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. I KNOW WE HAVE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY IN PLACE, FOR SPECIFIC REASONS AND MY CONCERN ABOUT WE ARE GINNING TO ANNEX PROPERTY OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY IS WE SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE NEXT PERSON WHO WANTS TO ANNEX IN OUTSIDE OF THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, AND I DON'T THEN WELD SHOULD GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO ONE PROPERTY OWNER OVER ANOTHER.
I THINK IF WE START SEEING LOTS OF REQUESTS FOR THIS THAT THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO LOOK AT, AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THEY WANT TO EXPAND THAT OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, BUT I THINK OUR DILIGENCE AS A PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS INSTANCE WOULD BE TO NOT MAKE AND EXCEPTION FOR ONE, WHEN WE MAYBE HAVE NOT MADE THE SAME EXCEPTION FOR OTHERS.
>>> AND I ACTUAL THROUGH AGREE THAT AND WAS ON THIS BOARD WHEN WE DECIDED NOT TO EXPAND THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, A THE LEAST FOR FIVE YEARS I BELIEVE IT WAS. UNTIL IT COMES BACK UP, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY STAY WITHIN THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY ESPECIALLY OF THIS SIZE, AND OPS FOR SEVEN ADDITIONAL LOTS.
>>> I ALSO WOULD I AGREE WITH WHAT JANNA AND NANET SAID, THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF OUR OPTIMAL BOUNDARY I. CAN BE SUBDIVIDED.
AND IF WE START TAKING IN PROPERTIES NOW, THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, THEN WE HAVE SET A PRECEDENT TO DO IT ALL OVER THE CITY, BECAUSE I NO KNOW WE HAVE HAD THEM ASK UP
NORTH AS WELL, SO I WOULD AGREE. >>> OPTIMAL BOUNDARY LINE WOULD
BE MY ONLY OBJECTION. >>> RIGHT.
>>> TO THAT ANNEXATION. OTHER WISE -- YEAH, YOU CAN'T NIBBLE AWAY AT THE BOUNDARY UNTIL IT BOOKS A MOOT POINT.
>>> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.
IS ANYONE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?
>>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE DENY 2022-016.
>>> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, IS THERE A SECOND.
>>> SECOND. >>> MOTION BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE IF
>>> WAIT, WAIT, I THINK THE MOTION IS YES, TO DENY IT,
>>> CORRECT. SHOULD RESTATE IT.
>>> MOTION IS TO DENY SO I SAY NO.
[5. Preliminary Plat – Harper Avenue II Consolidation Plat – PUBLIC HEARING]
FOR DENIAL. OKAY.THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ONE OF SEVERAL
FOR HARPER AVENUE 2. >>> HELLO.
THIS IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR HARPER AVENUE 2.
THEY ARE CONSOLIDATING SIX LOTS INTO ONE LOT, AND THAT ONE LOT WILL BE 3.25-ACRES, AND IT IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF EAST GLEN AND WEST OF DEAN ROAD. RIGHT HERE.
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CY OWNED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THIS WILL BE PART OF THE BOULEVARD, WHICH IS AND EXISTING MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THIS AREA.AGAIN IT'S JUST A CONSOLIDATION. THIS IS FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE FINAL PLAT WILL BE NEXT BUT THE SAME PROPERTY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? SHORT AND SWEET?
>>> IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEVELOPER THAT WOULD
LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. >>> I DON'T KNOW THIS. ONE IS KATIE'S CASE, SO SHE HAS SPOKE WITHIN THEM AND SHE NOT HERE TODAY. SO I HAVE TAKE THEN ONE.
>>> ALL RIGHT. THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING NOW IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SEEK INFORMATION OR MAKE COMMENTS --
>>> CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND REFER TO THE BOARD.
ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION OR MOTION?
>>> I MOVE TO APPROVE 202201 WITH STAFF CONDITIONS.
SECOND. >>> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION OF MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
>>> AYE. MOTION, ANY OPPOSED? MOTION
[6. Final Plat – Harper Avenue II Consolidation Plat]
CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSOLIDATED PLAT OF THE FINAL APPROVAL.>>> YES, THIS IS THE EXACT SAME SIX LOTS INTO ONE LOT, AND THE CONDITION THAT WAS APPROVED WITH PRELIMINARY PLOT STILL STAND, THAN IS JUST TO ADD THE WORD "CONSOLIDATION PLAT."
>>> SINCE THIS IS A FINAL PLAT, THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING.
>>> CORRECT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
OR A MOTION? >>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE F. P. 202-2019 WITH ALL STAFF CONDITIONS.
>>> SECOND. >>> MOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION?
>>> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY SKY.
AYE. OPPOSED SAY NO? AND THIS MOTION CARRIES. THE NEXT ITEM IS A HARPER AVENUE
[7. Preliminary Plat – Harper Avenue III Consolidation Plat – PUBLIC HEARING]
3 CONSOLIDATED PLAT. >>> HELLO, EVERYONE.
AS JUST MENTIONED, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR HARPER 3, FOR A LOT CONSOLIDATION, SIX LOTS INTO ONE.
SO, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.35-ACRES, AND STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE ON BRYANT CIRCLE, AND WILL BE DEVELOPED AS A MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
HERE IS MEAT WITH M.D. R. D. ON ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MEDIUM, HIGH, DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, FOR REDEVELOPMENT WHICH ENCOURAGES EIGHT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WHICH THIS PLAT DOES ALIGN WITH THAT, AND MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, SO, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THANK YOU. SINCE THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO ONE,LY SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPER, AT THE FIRST ONE, THAT I DOUBT THERE IS ANYONE HERE BUT IF THERE IS PLEASE COME FORWARD IF YOU WOULD LIKE. IF NOT, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEREFORE, REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW, AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR RAISE ANY ISSUES? FEEL FREE TO COME FORWARD NOW.
AND I SEE NONE, SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND REFER IT
TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >>> MOVE TO APPROVE 202219 WITH
>>> MOTION BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
ANY DISCUSSION OF MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE? AYE.
OPPOSED SAY NO? THE MOTION CARRIES.
[8. Final Plat – Harper Avenue III Consolidation Plat]
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSOLIDATED, HARPER AVENUE 3 CONSOLIDATED PLAT WHICH IS A FINAL APPROVAL.>>> YES. SAME, SAME SPIEL, FINAL PLAT FOR LOT CONSOLIDATION SIX LOTS INTO ONE, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS
APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. >>> OKAY.
AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC I MIGHT SAY THAT ON FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, IT NOT OFTEN, THEY ARE THE NO OFTEN DONE ON THE SAME DAY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS APPROVED, BUT IN THESE CASES, WHERE THERE IS VERY, NOT A COMPLICATED NEED FOR ENGINEERING, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WOULD POSSIBLY CAUSE ANY CHANGES IN THE, FROM THE PRELIMINARY TO THE FINAL, SO, WE -- THESE ARE THE KIND THAT WE WILL DEAL WITH BACK-TO-BACK AT TIMES. SO, THERE IS NO ED NO FOR PUBLIC HEARING HERE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
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QUESTIONS AMONG STAFF? I MEAN OF THE BOARD? WELL THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION?>>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >>> F. F. 202-2020 WITH ANY
>>> MOTION BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED SAY NO? THE MOTION CARRIES.
[9. Preliminary Plat – Tiger’s Shadow – PUBLIC HEARING]
NEXT IT'S SEMITIGER SHADOW. ANOTHER PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL, THIS IS FOR AND 83 LOT PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH 80 TOWN HOME LOT, TWO OPEN SPACE LOTS, AND ONE COMMERCIAL LOT. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1945 WIRE ROAD, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE PROPERTY WAS RECENTLY ANNEXED AND REZONED FROM RURAL TO CD D.AND APPLICANT DID HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST APPROVED FOR A MULTIPLE UNITE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY, BUT HAS CHANGED THAT DESIGN TO TOWNHOUSES, SO, WE JUST NEED A SUBDIVISION HERE
INSTEAD OF CONDITIONAL USE. >>> HERE IS THE PLAT, THE CULL DESAC LENGTH HERE DOES EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED, SO, THEY ARE GOING TO -- STAFF RECOMMENDS PROVIDING A STUBOUT TO REDUCE THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE NO MAJOR COMMENTS THAT WOULD AFFECT THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION,
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >>> THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT
THEY ARE MAINLY NOTATIONNAL, NOTHING THAT (^) WILL REALLY CHANGE. IT COULD BE THAT THE COMMENT REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE, NO DWELLING IS TO BE MORE THAN 750 FEET FROM OPEN SPACE, COULD AFFECT SOME LOTS, BUT, I'M SURE THAT SOMETHING THEY CAN WORK AROUND.
>>> AS THE STUBOUT A SUGGESTION OR IS IT A CONDITION?
>>> IT WAS A CONDITION, CORRECT?
IT IS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE. >>> IT IS A CONDITION.
>>> UH-HMM. AND I BELIEVE NOW IT IS GOING TO BE A CONDITION AS WELL. THERE IS A CONDITION RIGHT NOW.
>>> PARDON? IT IS A CONDITION?
>>> ALL RIGHT. DEVELOPER HERE THAT WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL? OKAY. THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
SINCE THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE. SO, I WILL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW. DOES ANYONE WISH TO BRING ANYTHING FORWARD REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL? I SEE NO ONE SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND ASK THE BOARD, WAS THERE ANY -- YOU WISH TO DISUS THIS?
WELL, IF THERE? ♪ >>> DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN
A MOTION. >>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE P. P.
TO 22023, WITH STAFF CONDITIONS. >>> SECOND.
>>> ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY AYE.
AND I MIGHT WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD, I THINK I SAID THAT WE WERE VOTING ON A CONDITIONAL USE, THIS IS A SUBDIVISION PLAT.
CONDITIONAL USE MAY COME LATER. OKAY.
[10. Rezoning – Thomas Rezoning – PUBLIC HEARING]
MOVING ON. TO THE NEXT ITEM OF OUR AGENDA.>>> LAST ONE FOR ME, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING FOR APPROXIMATELY 5.6-ACRES, FROM L. D. D. LIMITED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 2 --
>>> >>> AND APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILE NORTH OF THE COX ROAD I-95 INTERCHANGE.
THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS INTERSTATE COMMERCIAL, WHICH ENCOURAGES HOSPITAL USE, RESTAURANTS AND GAS STATIONS, AND THE L. D. D. ZONING DISTRICT DOES NOT ALLOW THOSE TYPES OF USES, SO THE CITY DOES ALLOW A LOIN WITH THIS, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
OKAY. IS THE PETITIONER WISH TO MAKE COMMENT? HERE HE COMES.
>>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MAX OF KAYWOOD, REALLY DON'T WANT TO, DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARE, THAT WE ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WHO IS IN THE ROOM, IF THERE IS ANY QUESTIONS WE WILL BE HAPPY TO
THENLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW
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OPEN IF ANYONE WISHES TO ASK QUESTION, RAISE ISSUE, OR MAKE COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL, PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW. AND I SEE NO ONE SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I ASK THE STAFF IF THEY HAVE FURTHER QUESTION, COMMENTS OF NOT STAFF BUT THE BOARD, OF THE STAFF. THAT WOULD THEY LIKE TO MAKE AMOTION? >>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE REZONING OF 202-2010 WITH FULL -- CITY COUNCIL, SORRY.
>>> I SECOND. >>> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE THAT WE FORWARD THE CITY COUNCIL WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
IS THERE A SECOND THAT I HEAR? ROBIN DID YOU MAKE THE SECOND? THANK YOU, MISS BRIDGE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION?
>>> IF NOT, THEN ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE?
>>> AYE? >>> ALL OPPOSED SAY NO? THE MOTION CARRIES. TA LEAD TO TOUCHDOWN HAUL MOVING
[11. Conditional Use – U-Haul Moving & Storage at West Pace – PUBLIC HEARING C]
STORAGE AT WEST PACE. >>> THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY AND TRUCK TRAILER RENTAL AT 136 WEST CREEK PARKWAY BY THE -- PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS APPROVED IN 2018, AND THEN GRANTED AND EXTENSION IN 2020, AND NOW IT IS BACK AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BUILT AND IT DID EXPIRE.
IT IS LOCATED SOUTH OF I-85, AND TO THE WEST OF SOUTH COLLEGE.
IT IS NEXT TO LYNCH DEALERSHIP, IT IS PART OF A P. D. D., THE WEST PACE P. D. D., AND IT IS AND APPROVED USE IN THE P. D. D.
SO THAT WILL NOT HAVE TO BE AMENDED BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
THERE IS AND ENTRANCE TO THE NORTH WHERE WEST PACE, A PRIVATE ROAD WILL BE EXTENDED RIGHT TO THAT DRIVE.
AND TWO DRIVES TO THE SOUTH, WEST CREEK, WHICH IS ALSO A PRIVATE ROAD. EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SUBMITTED WILL MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS, AND WILL GO THROUGH OUR D. R. T.
PROCESS AS WELL. THE STORAGE FACILITY WILL BE FOUR STORIES, AND IT WILL BE 124,000992 SQUARE FEET.
(^). >>> I DID RECEIVE ONE COMMENT WITH THE HOTEL, THERE IS ACTUALLY TWO HOTEL, I GUESS ONE OWNER, AND THEY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE AESTHETICS FROM THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED AND THEY REQUESTED MORE LANDSCAPING ON THE WEST THAT WOULD BE THE BOUNDARY LUNE BETWEEN THEM AND THE HOTEL. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY, FOR EXACTLY 136 TREES THAT WILL BE REQUIRED, AND ALMOST 300 TRUCKS SO, THERE WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING.
AND WE CAN JUST HAVE -- WE ARE REQUEST SOME OF THAT TO BE ON THE WEST BORDER. ANY QUESTIONS OF ME?
>>> THE HOTEL IS PROXIMITY TO THIS SITE, THESE ARE NEXT TO THE
DRIP? >>> THE HOTELS ARE, OUR POINT HAVEN'T NOT WORKING BUT IF YOU SEE THE MOUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
>>> WAY DOWN THERE, OKAY. >>> YEAH, THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE ANOTHER ONE. THAT WOULD BE CLOSER.
>>> OKAY. >>> BUT, THEY ALSO JUST HAVE
CONCERNS IN GENERAL. >>> ALL RIGHT.
JUST RELATED TO THE AESTHETICS. >>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I'M DOWN WESTON WITH U-HAUL, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, THE COMMISSION HAS ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM ON BEHALF OF YOU ALL.
>>> I THINK YOU SAID IT IN A MINUTE OR SOMEONE SAID AT THE PACKET MEETING THIS IS NOT RELOCATION FROM YOUR OPA-LOCKA
HIGHWAY LOCATION. >>> NO IT IS NOT A SECOND
>>> IT WILL RELIEVE A LOT OF PRESSURE OFF THE OTHER LOCATION
THOUGH. >>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NO? RIGHT NOW?
I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. >>> THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU SIGN IN, PLEASE? THIS IS, REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. SO, I WILL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW, AND ASK ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD TO ASK QUESTION, RAISE ANY POINTS, REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL.
I SEE THERE ARE NONE. SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU WISH TO MAKE? IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE C. U. 20 2022-045.
>>> SECOND. >>> MOTION BEEN MADE AND
STAFF. >>> MR. CHAIRMAN, STAFF CONDITIONS IN THIS, OF COURSE, IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY
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THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE THEN THAT THE RECOMMENDATION AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATION BE MADE TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT, IT ALSO, THAT THE, THEY COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
>>> RIGHT. >>> ALL RIGHT. THAT HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED IF I RECALL. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY
>>> AND ANY OPPOSED SAY NO? AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
[12. Conditional Use – North College Church – PUBLIC HEARING]
OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS NORTH COLLEGE CHURCH.HELLO. THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CHURCH TO BE LOCATED ON NORTH COLLEGE STREET IN THE 1200 BLOCK, THIS WOULD BE NORTH OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND SOUTH OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. RIGHT HERE, THE SITE IT, IT IS 35-ACRES, A LOT OF THIS SITE IS FLOOD PLAIN AND STREAM BUFFER SO THE CHURCH WOULD BE LOCATED CLOSER TO THE ROAD BECAUSE SOME OF THAT LAND IS NOT USABLE. LET'S SEE.
THERE ARE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS ON THE SITE, D. D. H. IN THE FRONT, AND C. B. B. IN THE BACK, AND THE D. D. H. ZONING IS WHERE THE BUILDING WILL PRIMARILY IT IS, WHICH IS WHY IT NEEDS A CONDITIONAL USE. THE REQUEST IS FOR TWO STORY, 66,000 SQUARE FOOT CHURCH, THERE WILL BE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON NORTH COLLEGE. THE SIZE PARKING BUFFER YARDS MEETS THE ORDINANCE AND THE STANDARDS THAT WE REQUIRE.
THERE IS ONE CONDITION, AND THAT IS FOR A PUBLIC GREENWAY EASEMENT ALONG THE STREAM BUFFER TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? --
>>> >>> IT IS SITTING IN TWO ZONES AND IN THE D. D. H., CHURCHES CANNOT HAVE BUILDINGS SUCH AS
FOR THAT. >>> CORRECT, IF THEY DID WANT TO PUT AND ACCESSORY BUILDING IT WILL HAVE TO BE IN C. P. B. OR THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED.
>>> ALL RIGHT. IS THERE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OF CHURCH THAT WISHES TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
>>> >>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER, THE CHURCH? REPRESENTATIVE? IF NOT THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING ALSO AND I SHALL OPEN THAT NOW. IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, ASK QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO COME
FORWARD. >>> NORTH COLLEGE STREET, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE TRAFFIC IS PRETTY BAD, AND YOU KNOW WITH THE SCHOOL ZONE AND EVERYTHING WITH THE KID WALKING HOME, THEY HAVE TO PUT A CROSSING GUARD THERE TO HANDLE THAT.
AND JUST KIND OF, AND OBSERVANCE OF MY OWN I NOTICE PEOPLE SPEEDING THROUGH THE ZONE ANYWAY, IT IS NOT WELL REGULATE SOD I'M CURIOUS AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC FLOW GOING OUT OF THE CHURCH FOR ONE, TWO, IT IS A 25-ACRE, I THINK IT IS 25-ACRE PARCEL? 35-ACRE PARCEL, ONLY DEVELOPING FIVE ACRES OF WHICH, THE OTHER 30-ACRES GRANTED SOME OF ITS, YOU KNOW, FLOOD ZONE AND EVERYTHING, BUT, I KNOW FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PURCHASING PART OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH GOING IN THERE, THAT MEANS THEY ARE DEVELOPING MORE THERE, AND THEN THAT ALSO LEAVES ANOTHER AREA THAT WILL PROBABLY BE SOLD OFF AT A LATER DATE, QUESTION IS, WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO SELL IT OFF TO BECOME? WITH THE ACCESS AS THE WAY THEY ARE JUST TWO ACCESSES TO THE PROPERTY, THOSE WILL PROBABLY BUTT UP TO BE THE SAME ACCESS AS OFF THE PROPERTY WHICH ENMOOS MORE TRAFFIC WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND GROW AND GROW.
SO, OF AM JUST KIND OF WORRIED ABUT THAT AS FAR AS HIKE I SAID WE HAVE A SCHOOL ZONE THERE AND ALREADY GOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE, THEY ARE GROWING, THERE IS A LOT OF KID GOING IN AND OUT OF THE AREA AND TRAFFIC GOING BECAUSE OF IT GOING FORWARD.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? ANYONE? IF NOT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND ASK -- I ALSO SUPPOSE YOU WANT TO COMMENT REGARDING THE TRAFFIC ISSUES
THERE? >>> YES, IT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, WE WILL LOOK AT ADDITIONAL LEANLS ON COLLEGE STREET AND ANY ADDITIONAL IMPACTS THE
DEVELOPMENT MIGHT WARRANT. >>> ALL RIGHT.
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HAVE THERE BEEN A RECENT TRAFFIC COUNT ON NORTH COLLEGE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY.
>>> WE HAVE NOT, ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS CHURCHES ARE TYPICALLY OFF PEAK TIMES SO THE TRAFFIC FROM A CHURCH TYPICALLY DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH SCHOOLS OR OTHER EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES.
>>> AND ANY -- ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THEN I HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING I THINK, YES? SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE HELD AMONG
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THE BOARD? IF NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION OFHOW TO DISPENSE W ISSUE? >>> I MOVE TO APPROVE C. U.
202-2046 WITH THE, ANY CONDITIONS PUT FORWARD BY STAFF.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION? IF NOT, PARDON? ROCK MENNIZATION TO CITY COUNCIL, YES, ALL IN FAVOR OF
>>> OPPOSED SAY NO? AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
I MIGHT ADD, I DOESN'T KNOW IF MR. SAVON HEARD ALLISON'S ANSWER ON THE QUESTION IS THAT THEY DURING THE PROSE IS OF DEVELOPING CALL IT THE D. R. T., DEVELOPMENT, THEY WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TRAFFIC STUDY, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS NEED AND THEY HAVE TO MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS THAT THEY HAVE ON THE TRAFFIC
THERE. >>> ONE OTHER QUESTION, TOO, SINCE THEY HAVE GOT THE DOUBLE ZONING, IF THEY CHANGE IT TO THE FRONT DOESN'T THAT OPEN THE REST OF COLLEGE STREET FOR DEVELOPMENT THE SAME WAY? SINCE E WERE DISCUSSIONING
EARLIER -- >>> THEY HAVE NOT COME FORWARD WITH ANY ZONING CHANGES SO WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVE NO ZONING CHANGES AT THIS TIME. AND THEY AWARE OF THE ZONES THAT
[13. Conditional Use – Shinhwa – PUBLIC HEARING]
I ARE IN. OKAY.THE NEXT ITEM IS A CONDITIONAL USE SHAH LANA, SHIN WHAT? I'M SORRY. I A I APOLOGIZE.
THIS SA CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR MANUFACTURING FACILITY, AT 2530 WEST TECH LANE, IN THE AUBURN WEST TECHNOLOGY PARK.
THIS PROPERTY IS ADDGY GENT TO THE EXISTING SHINWA BUILDINGS TO THE EAST AND NEAR 585 AND SOUTH OF BEEHIVE ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND A CONDITIONAL USE IS REQUIRED, THE REQUEST FOR A 483,000 SQUARE FOOT MANUFACTURING FACILITY, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE NORTHERN ENTRANCE IS PROPOSED TO BE DEDICATED, WHICH IS RIGHT, RIGHT OVER THERE, AND THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF INDUSTRIAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE USE, THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE.
>>> >>> ANY APPLICANT WANT TO MICK ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
WE WILL THEN OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE AND THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OF IN I INDUSTRIAL USE.
ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? I SEE NONE AND WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEAR AND CONTINUE WITH ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BOARD. IF I DON'T HEAR ANY I WILL
ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE C. U., WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL
WITH WITH ANY COMMENTS. >>> SECOND.
>>> AND IT HAS BEEN UNANIMOUSLY SECONDED, IF UNDERWRITER THER DISCUSSION OF MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY
ANY OPPOSED TO SAY NO? IT IS APPROVED.
[14. Conditional Use – Lake Wilmore Community Center – PUBLIC HEARING]
AND THE LAST ITEM, HERE, ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA IS THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR LAKE WILMORE COMMUNITY CENTER.GOOD EVEN, COMMISSIONERS. THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A PROPOSED CITY PARK FACILITY, KNOWN AS THE LAKE WITHMA RECREATION SCEPTER NORTH OF OGLE TRUSTEE ROAD AND ADJACENT TO THE (^) OGLE TRUSTEE ELEMENTARY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ZONE RURAL WHICH DOES REQUIRE CONDITIONING APPROVAL FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, YOU PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT IN FEBRUARY OF 2020.
I WAS FORWARDED ON TO CITY COUNCIL AND APPROVED, HOWEVER, DO DUE TO DELAYS, THE PROJECT SINCE EXPIRED SO IT IS BEFORE YOU AGAIN, FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WHICH WILL BE ON OCTOBER 18TH. THE PROJECT IS MORE OR LESS THE SAME, WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
OKAY. THIS IS A PROJECT OF THE CITY.
>>> YES, SIR. >>> SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, ANYONE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THIS?
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NO? ALL RIGHT.THEN WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ASK QUESTIONS OR RAISE ISSUES OR MAKE COMMENTS REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL? YES, SIR, COME FORWARD IF YOU WISH. SPEAK.
AND YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN.
>>> MY NAME IS BROUGHT MCKAYE I LIVE AT 940 KENTWOOD DRIVE, JUST ADJACENT TO THE PARK, AND I MOVED, MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO AUBURN TWO YEARS AGO FROM CALIFORNIA, WHERE I WAS A POLICE OFFICER FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS AND RETIRED AND AS A POLICE OFFICER I REALIZED THAT MOST DISAGREEMENTS ARE A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY OPEN YOUR MIND TO MAYBE CHANGING YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
BUT, WHEN WE MOVE HERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE -- WE LOVE AUBURN.
IT IS ONE OF THE LOVELY YES, SIR PLACES AROUND.
THAT PARK THAT IS NEXT TO OUR HOUSE IS ABSOLUTELY LOVELY.
IT HAS WONDERFUL TRAILS, BY SEE PEOPLE USING THE HIKING TRAILS, MOUNTAIN BIKING THERE, KID RIDING THEIR BIKES THERE, IT IS A LOVELY PARK. ALL IT NEED IS REALLY A SIGN YOU WOULD GET A LOT MORE USE OUT OF THE PARK, HONESTLY.
MY MAJOR CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT THIS PROJECT REALLY RISKS THE PEACEFULNESS AND THE SAFETY OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS JUST ADJACENT TO IT. THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO PUT KENTWOOD DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND HAVE IT ENTER THE PARKING LOT OF THE NEW FACILITY, AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW SEX DREAMILY PEACEFUL.
THE STREETS ARE NARROW. THE STREETS ARE VERY, RARELY USED, IT IS A CUL-DE-SAC. THERE IS A TRAFFIC CIRCLE AT WINDWAY, WHICH IS A VERY NARROW TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF KIDS COME THROUGH MY PROPERTY, TO IF INTO THE BACK OF OAK L TRUSTEE ELEMENTARY AND I'M CONCERNED NOW YOU HAVE BALL FIELDS OVER THERE, NO ONE IS EVER BEEN LATE TO A PRACTICE, IN SPEEDING ALONG THERE RIGHT AS SCHOOL GETTING OUT.
I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO BE SOME SAFETY CONCERNS THAT MAYBE HAVE NOT BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH FULLY, THAN MY PRIMARY CONCERN.
OBVIOUSLY NOBODY WANTS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE THE SPOT WHERE ALL THE ACTIVITIES ARE ADVERTISED FOR, YOU OBVIOUSLY WANT THE RECREATIONAL FACILITY TO BE USED HEAVILY, AND YOU WILL ADVERTISE FOR EVENTS AND EVERY TIME I SEE THOSE EVENTS I AM GOING TO SAY, MY PERSPECTIVE IS YOU ARE ADVERTISING PEOPLE TO COME SPEEDING DOWN MY STREET AND CAUSE CONGESTION ISSUES.
I KNOW THAT PERSPECTIVE IS DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE DOZENS OF PEOPLE HERE THAT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M NOT AGAINST BALL FIELDS, NOT AGAINST PROGRESS, BUT, I WILL TELL YOU WHEN I MENTIONED I WAS FROM CALIFORNIA, I THINK ALMOST EVERYBODY HAS THIS AUDIBLE UGH KIND OF, OH NO, THERE IS CALIFORNIANS COMING HERE AND THEY WILL CHANGE THE NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING 57 YEARS OLD ALMOST, THAT IN CALIFORNIA, CALIFORNIA DID NOT START OUT THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS. THINGS SLOWLY CHANGED AND IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS, IT WAS ALWAYS IN THE NAME OF IMPROVEMENT. BUT, IT TENDED TO BE BULLDOZING THING, BUILDING PARKING LOTS WHERE YOU HAD NICE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WERE USING THOSE AREAS ALREADY.
SO, I WOULD JUST CAUTION THE BOARD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD OF PERHAPS BEING SORRY THAT YOU GAVE UP THE FORESTED LAND THAT HAD TRAILS TO BUILD THIS RECREATION CENTER HERE. THERE MAY BE OTHER LOCATIONS, WHEN YOU BUILD RECREATION CENTER YOU HOPE TO IMPROVE THE LAND, THIS ONE I THINK IS SO BEAUTIFUL, AND QUIET AND DECENT, THE WAY IT IS NOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY A STEP DOWN.
THINK THINK IS OTHER PLACES VERY CLOSE BY THAT IT WOULD BE A STEP UP, TO BRING A COMMUNITY CENTER, SO I'M VERY PRO COMMUNITY CENTER, PRO RECREATION CENTER, BUT I THINK THIS LOCATION MAY HAVE CONCERNS. SO, MY PRAYER FOR YOU AT THIS POINT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD CALL IT A LITTLE BIT OF A TIMEOUT, CONSIDER MAYBE OTHER LOCATION, IF THAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE CONSIDER MAYBE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN AND CLOSING OFF THAT KENTWOOD ACCESS.
YOU WOULD ALREADY HAVE TWO OTHER ACCESSES FARTHER ON THE WEST SIDE I BELIEVE, AND THEN THINKING ABOUT MAKING MODIFICATIONS, CONSIDERING THE USE OF THE HAND YOU ALREADY HAVE THERE ON THE TRAILS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I AM JUST ONE VOICE, I LIVE RIGHT THERE, I LOVE THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. I LOVE THE PARK.
AND I JUST PRAY WE WOULD THINK THROUGH THIS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>>> ANYONE ELSE? >>> I'M DEBRA NEWTON.
I LIVE AT 741 KENTWOOD SO IMON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
I AM THE HOME THAT IS IN A FLOOD PLAIN, A MAJOR FLOOD PLAIN, THAT
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Y'ALL ARE BUILDING, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WATER WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE COMING ON US.WE GET THE SCHOOL WATER. WE GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD WATER.
IT ALL DRAINS INTO MY BACKYARD. AND THE BIG CREEK THAT WHEN IT OVERFLOWS, IT IS IN MY YARD. MY OTHER CONCERN WITH THIS THING IS, KENTWOOD BEING OPEN, Y'ALL OPENED AND I'M NOT SAYING Y'ALL IN PARTICULAR, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPARENTLY, OPENED WINWAY BECAUSE IT USE TO BE A LANDLOCKED SIB DIVISION AND YOU OPEN IT WHEN GROVE HILL WAS PUT IN AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WENT THROUGH THERE THEN COMING OFF OF WINWAY, I MEAN, YEAH, COMING OFF OGLE TRUSTEE FROM SPRINGWOOD AND TWIN CREEKS WAS ATROCIOUS.
I MEAN, IT WAS -- THAT IS WHY WE NOW HAVE SPEED BUMPS, AND A BIG TRAFFIC CIRCLE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TROUBLE GETTING AROUND. IN OUR SUBDIVISION.
AND NOW YOU WANT TO OPEN ONE SHORT STREET ONE THE SUBDIVISION TO ACCESS THIS PARK. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THIS SUBDIVISION DON'T WANT IT OPENED.
THERE IS TWO OTHER ENTRANCES FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, THERE IS GOING TO BE AND ENTRANCE FROM THE SCHOOL, COPPING DOWN, TO THE REC CENTER, AND ALSO THERE WILL BE AND ENTRANCE EVENTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK COMING IN FROM GROVE HILL. SO, IT LOOKS LIKE THE GROVE HILL PEOPLE HAVE A WAY TO GET TO IT. THEY ARE VERY FEW CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO START WITH. WE GET ALL THE GROVE KID THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I MEAN I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AND ENTRANCE OR AND EXIT OR ENTRANCE ON OUR STREET OR WHY IT SHOULD BE OPENED.
SO, IF YOU CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE FACILITY, I'M JUST OPPOSED TO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE FACILITY BEING OPENED.
MY STREET BEING OPENED. AND HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE REALLY TAKE AND LOOK AT THE FLOOD PLAIN ISSUES BECAUSE I HAVE GOT THE
WATER TO PROVE IT. >>> THANK YOU.
>>> THANKS. >>> ANYONE ELSE? HI, I'M HEIDI DOOR ROW, I DID NOT RECEIVE A LETTER BUT I LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON WINDWAY, 2080 WINWAY ROAD.
RIGHT WHERE THE SEED BUMPS IS LOCATED, MY HOUSE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT. SO, MY CONCERN AGAIN IS THE TRAFFIC. AND THE CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING FRO M SCHOOL,. AND MY SON A FIREFIGHTER HERE IN AUBURN, RIGHT THERE, AT THE SECTION NEXT TO OGLE TREE.
THAT IS -- I DO HAVE A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THE EXIT AND ENTRANCE BEING RIGHT ON KENTWOOD, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE CHILDREN ARE COMING FROM SCHOOL ON THEIR BIKES AND WALKING EVERY DAY. I KNOW THAT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARENTS ALSO PARK DOWN THERE, TO PICK THEIR CHILDREN UP.
SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT, JUST TO THAT ENTRANCE, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU.
>>> DID YOU SIGN IN, PLEASE? >>> NO, SIR.
F I LIVE ON OGLE TREE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARK.
THE KIND OF PARK I ENVISIONED THERE.
I FIGURED ONE DAY THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING, BUT I -- BUT I ENVISIONED A MORE TRADITIONAL PARK.
THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE IS WITH THE FEELS THEY ARE PUTTING IN THERE, IT IS GOING TO HAVE LIGHTING, THE LIGHTING THEY PLAN TO USE IS THE SAME LIGHTING USED FOR THE SOCCER FIELDS ON THE ROAD, THAT JUST NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT IS. THERE ISN'T TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE MORE FOCUSED LIGHTING ON FIELDS, AND IT IS DESIGNED ESPECIALLY FOR THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN THE FIELDS ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS SO THEY TONIGHT HAVE A LOT OF SPILL LIGHT OR LIGHT POLLUTION TO MOVE, TO MESS UP THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE QUESTION I IS HAVE IS WHY IS THERE SUCH A RUSH IF FOR THIS THING? I RECEIVED NOTE OF THISSETTE MOOING TWO DAYS AGO.
AND I DIDN'T GET ASKED, AX ACT TEST TO A MAP UNTIL YESTERDAY.
>>> >>> CLEARLY THERE HAVE SOME CONCERNS, I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE DELAY HERE SO WE CAN HAVE MORE FRUITFUL DISCUSSION MIGHT BE SOLVING PROBLEMS IN THE LONG RUN. I THINK SOME OF THE PROBLEMS ARE SOLVABLE, BUT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED
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IN HELPING TO SOLVE THOSE. THANK YOU, SIR.>>> GOOD EVENING MIM NAME IS SUSAN MCKAYE I LIVE 740 KENTWOOD AS WELL. WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE WOODS THAT ARE THERE, THAT ARE NOW, THAT WOULD NOW BE AFFECTED BE I THIS, AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES YOU SEE THAT VOLUNTEERS WITH BICYCLING GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE PUT IN THEIR VOLUNTEER TIME AND PROBABLY MONEY TO MAKE THE SIGNAGE, TO MAKE THE TRAILS ACCESSIBLE TO PUT THAT INTO THE DIFFERENT STUFF THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE WITH OUR CITY, AND HAVE THEY BEEN CONTACTED? WOULD THEY REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR VOLUNTEER TIME OF CLEARING TRAILS OF MAKING IT READY FOR BIKER L, AND THEN FOR HIKING, WOULD BE COMPLETELY AFFECTED? THEY WOULD NOT BE THERE ANYMORE? AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD NOT BE.
AND, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF THEIR GOOD VOLUNTEER TIME, THEY THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE LONG LASTING IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.
>>> ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS CAROL CLEMMONS I LIVE AT 631 OGLE TREE, I DID --
>>> >>> ETCH I HAVE ECK SPOEN WITH THEY EITHER DID NOT GET A LETTER OR GOT THE LETTER TWO DAYS AGO, IT WAS DATED OCTOBER 9TH. BUT NOT RECEIVED UNTIL EITHER YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE. BUT, IT IS A TREASURE TROVE OF A PARK, AND I THINK TO PUT BALL FIELDS AND A PLACE LIKE THAT WOULD REALLY BE A SHAME. AND I JUST ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE COME AND JUST SEE THE WOODS THERE AND SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL AND PEACEFUL THEY ARE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PARK. NO, I MOON WE ALL NEED A PLACE TO IF AND RELAX BUT WHEN YOU SEE THESE TREES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HUNDRED YEARS OLD, AND THE SHORT NOTICE THAT THIS IS BEING PUSHED THROUGH. PLEASE CONSIDER ALLOWING MORE TIME TO GET THIS THOUGHTFULLY DEVELOPED AND THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST DOING IT IN A BY THAT WILL, IT CAN BE A CROWN JEWEL FOR THE CITY, AND IN WAYS YOU CAN PROTECT, JUST THE NATURE, THE ENVIRONMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE SAFETY AND SECURITY IS, AS SOME HAVE MENTIONED I THINK IT IS EASY TO LOOK AT AND ADDRESS TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE WE CAN THROW A BALLPARK HERE BUT UNTIL YOU VISIT THAT PROPERTY AND YOU SEE IT, AND YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY OF THE LAND, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A FULL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THAT TRACK OF LAND LOOKS LIKE. AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT IS NOT A GREAT PLACE FOR A PARK.
BUT, JUST CONSIDER THE TYPE OF PARK THAT THIS CITY NEEDS AND WHERE THIS IS, SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>> I'M MAUREEN MCMICHAEL I LIVE AT 1905 WRIGHTSMILL SO I'M BEHIND THIS. SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION, THE LET THAT ARE I HAVE HAS THE PROPERTY AND THEN THE PARENT PROPERTY, THE RED IS THE PARENT PROPERTY? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE OF DEVELOPING THE PARENT PROPERTY, IN ORDER, HOW FAR CAN THIS GO? BECAUSE IT IS A PRETTY BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, HAVE YOU -- SO I'M ALWAYS ON THE GREEN SPACE COMMITTEE. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, I WAS IN TEXAS AND I SAW AUSTIN IN 2001, AUSTIN IN 2001 WAS WHAT AUBURN IS NOW.
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
WE HAD TREES THAT WERE 100 YEAR-OLD AND JUST GORGEOUS.
AND NOW, IT IS HORRIFIC. IT IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC.
THEY HAVE TORN DOWN TREES, THEY PUT IN PARKING LOTS, AND I HATE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. SO, MY QUESTION IS: HAS THE CITY COUNCIL THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING SOME TYPE OF GREEN REPLACEMENT, IN ORDER, YOU ARE PUTTING IN A, PING LOT HERE, DO YOU PUT TREES SOMEWHERE ELSE? DO YOU ADD SOMEWHERE ELSE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS COULD CONSIDER? JUST SO WE DON'T TURN INTO SOME OF THE PLACES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT. THANK YOU.
>>> DO I SEE SOMEONE ELSE? I'M HALL SHORTAGE AT 10 A WRIGHTS MILL ROAD, MY WIFE HAS ALREADY SPOKEN AND I WILL JOIN IN. SO, OUR PREVIOUS PIT STOP WAS ILL NOW, AND IT IS NOT QUITE AS BAD AS CALIFORNIA, BUT IT IS HEADED IN THE SAME WAY. AND I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FIRST SPEAKER SAID, WHICH IS THAT THERE IS DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKS, AND LAKE WILMORE IS REALLY
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FANTASTIC. I GET RUNNING BACK THERE AND BIKE BACK THERE. I SEE PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS AND I THINK THERE IS DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPACE, AND IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT THE RATIONALE IS FOR THE BALL FIELD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IS THE CITY SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST? SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SORT OF BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RATIONALE IS, FOR THE BALL FIELDS AND SWIMMING POOL A EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I DON'T SEE -->>> >>> SHA PARK UTILIZED AS IS AND A LOFT PEOPLE APPRECIATE. THANKS.
>>> I UNDERSTAND THERE IS ANOTHER SOCCER FACILITY BEING
BILT-RIGHT NOW IN UP TO IN. >>> SIR.
YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN, BUT, THE QUESTION IS,LY ASK THE QUESTION, IS THERE ANOTHER SOCCER COMPLEX BEING PLANNED
SOMEWHERE? >>> YES, THERE IS A, AND EXPANSION TO THE SOCCER COMPLEX CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ON WIRE ROAD, YES. I'M JESSIE CHAPEL, I LIVE AT 701 OAK KNOLL CIRCLE WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT PARK.
AND I THINK A LOT OF VERY GOOD POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE COMMENTERS HERE TODAY, THAT I THINK YOU RALLY SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENT THERE, AND I'M -- I HAVE BEEN A BY QUOL GIST FOR ALMOST 50 TIME, LONG TIME AND LOOK ADD ALL KIND OF STUFF AND PLACES AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS AND EROSION OF WHAT MAKES AUBURN AUBURN.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, AND YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE SOUTH, AND ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES AROUND HERE, THAT LEND THEMSELVES MORE TO DEVELOPING A COMPLEX LIKE THIS, IT SEEMS KIND OF FOOLISH TO GO IN A DIRECTION WITH WE ARE GOING F. YOU EVER WALKED A PROPERTY, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO, THE TOPOGRAPHY, IT IS SUCH THAT IT DOESN'T LEND ITSELF REALLY WELL TO BALLFIELDS. IT IS UP AND DOWN.
TIP CAM PIEDMONT-TYPE PROPERTY AROUND HERE.
THERE ARE PLACES VERY CLOSE BY, THERE HAS BEEN POINTED OUT BY OTHER COMMENTERS, THAT WOULD LEND THEMSELVES VERY WELL TO DEVELOPING BALLFIELDS AND THAT KIND OF THING, A LA WHAT IS OUT ON WIRE ROAD OR OVER AT THE WRECK CREATIONNAL CENTER IN OPA-LOCKA, A LOT OF GOOD OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT.
I THINK IN CONCERT WITH OTHER COMMENTERS THE RESOURCE THERE CAN BE UTILIZED IN ALL THE KIND OF WAYS THAT DON'T REQUIRE OBSERVE LIT RATING IT AND CREATING ANOTHER CONCRETE AND ASPHALT PLACE. I WOULD ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENT OR IMPACT STUDY DONE, ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, I EXPECT THERE HAS PROBABLY BEEN SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE AND IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN ON OGLE TREE ROAD, EARLY IN THE MORNING OR LATE IN THE AFTERNOON, WHEN SCHOOL IS COMING IN AND OUT, I SHUTTOR THINK WHAT IT WILL. LIKE LIKE IF YOU PUT THIS PARK BACK IN THERE LIKE IT IS BEING PLANNED.
SAFE IS GONE OUT THE WINDOW, I PROMISE YOU.
THOSE LITTLE KID THAT ARE THAT DAD AND YOU CAN'T SEE THEM WHEN THEY COME BY, THEY CAN'T SEE YOU IN A CAR.
SO IT IS GOING TO BE A DANGEROUS THING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY WETLAND ASSESSMENT IS BEING DONE, THERE IS ONE OF THE LADIES HERE COMMENTING ABOUT WET LANDS YOU BET, YOU HAVE ALL THE THAT WATER GOING OFF THE WATERSHED, COMING DOWN OFF THE PROPERTY MORE INTO THE CREEK VERY RAPIDLY, I LIVE DOWN STREAM FROM WHERE SHE IS, SO IT IS ALL COMING BY MY HOUSE, TOO. SO, NOW, THE BIG PARENT PROPERTY, IF YOU ARE CHOOSING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, WHICH I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO, BUT THE BIG PARENT COMPANY IS A LOT OF IT, LIKE I SAY, IS THE THE RELIEF, ELEVATION CHANGES THERE, PROBABLY SHOULD GO INTO THE LAND MOVING BUSINESS, RENT A COUPLE OF REALLY BIG MACHINES AND GOING TO DO THAT, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY JUST MOVING DIRT TO MAKE IT FLAT ENOUGH TO PLAY A BALLGAME. THERE IS OTHER PLACES THAT LEND THEMSELVES BETTER TO THAT. AND, I WILL SAY, ON BEHALF OF THE OLD TREES O OUT THERE, AGAIN, IF YOU NEVER BEEN ON THIS P PROPERTY GO AND WALK AROUND. IT IS REALLY A TREASURE.
FOR AUBURN AND FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT IS HERE, IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO LOSE IT. THANK YOU.
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I'M DAVID, I LIVE AT 2101 LONGWOOD DRIVE, KIDDIE CORNER TO WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS PROPERTY.AND JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE CONCERNS SHARED HERE, WHAT THE TRAFFIC MIGHT DO ON OGLE TREE ROAD, IF YOU NOTICE OR HAVE NOT NOTICED THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT JOG ON OGLE TREE ROAD AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT RIDE THEIR BIKES ON OGLE TRUSTEE ROAD, IT HAS BIKE LANES, AND IT CONNECTS TO THE BIKE LANE ON WRIGHTS MILL, GETS OVER TO PARK AND ADDING MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT, IT IS GOING TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE PEOPLE THAT RUN AND BICYCLE, ON OGLE TREE ROAD. SO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS JAMES ANDERSON. MY WIFE KAREN OWNS THE HOUSE ON 668 OGLE TREE ROAD, BOB CRIEBL IS MY FATHER-IN-LAW, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID. I WANT THAT ON THE RECORD.
POINTS. BUT THE ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE WATER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, WE HAVE A POND AND WHEN THEY BUILT OGLE TREE ELEMENTARY, IT PRETTY MUCH RUINED THE POND AND THE CITY DID ALL KIND OF THINGS TO TRY TO SLOW THE FLOW DOWN, BUT I MEAN LIKE YOU GO RIGHT NOW, 668 IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON OGLE TRUSTEE, NEAR THE FIRE STATION DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE WATER THAT FLOWS FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COMES IN AND THE POND BECOMES MUDDY AND I KNOW SEVERAL FOLKS, THIS, YOU NOTICE THE THING THAT JUMPED OUT OF THE AT ME IS ZONING IS RURAL. SO, OF COURSE THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE. BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CHANGE THAT, TO HAVE SOMETHING. THE CONCERN I HAD QUESTIONS, I THINK IN FEBRUARY, AND I, WHEN THEY SHOW WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON BUILDING I TENT KNOW IF IT IS, IF THE PLAN SO PUT EGHH IN THE LITTLE AREA THAT MARKED OUT SUB IN THE MAP? I THOUGHT THERE WERE PLANS TO HAVE SIX FLAGS OR SOMETHING THERE. BEFORE.
IN THE OTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT, I THINK, IF -- FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THE, YOU KNOW, NOT AGAINST KID, ON THE BALLPARK, I UNDERSTAND THE YMCA, IS LOOKING, COMING AND THEY ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT, ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER FACILITY TO PROVIDE SOME THINGS FOR THE CHILDREN AND YOUNG PEOPLE HERE.
IT IS NOT AT THIS SITE, BUT, IF WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH PLACES FOR THE KID TO PLAY, I THINK THE WIVES CAN HELP US, AS FAR AS THAT GOES ON IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BUT, THE -- LOOKING INTO HAVING A GREEN AREA, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE LIGHTS THAT WOULD COME IN TO THE NEIGHBORS, AND STUFF AND OF COURSE I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT TRAFFIC, IF YOU GOING TO HAVE A BIG GROUP. THERE I WOULD ALSO SAY, MY BROTHER OWN AS HOUSE AT 775 OGLE TREE, I CALLED HIM TONIGHT. HE DIDN'T GET THE NOTE OF THIS.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE MAIL BUT IF IT GOT MAILED OUT AND MONDAY WAS A HOLIDAY, SO GOD IN I'M POOH'S MAIL, TUESDAY, AND THAT IS WHEN WE GOT OUR NOTICE. BUT, MAYBE PERHAPS THE BEST THING TO DO IS NOT NECESSARILY KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BUT DELAY THIS TO LET OTHER PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS AND ASK SOME MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>>> RARING MAILING, SEVERAL MENTIONED IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO POINT OUT THAT THE HIGH PRESSURE WE NOTIFY
ADD JAY ISN'T PROPERTY OWNERS. >>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>>> BY CERTIFIED MAIL. AND, THEREFORE, YOU MAY BE IN THE VA INTY, BUT YOU WON'T GET A LETTER, OR NOTIFICATION REGARDING THIS. ANYONE ELSE? 731 OAK KNOLL CIRCLE, SO IT IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.
I HAVE GOT A FEW POINT TO KNOT REALLY RENEW BUT RE-EMPHASIZE, I THINK IT IS A REAL SHAME AND STEP BACKWARDS TO LOSE THE BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT IS NATURAL, AND IN GENERAL, I THINK WE ARE LOSING TOO MUCH GREEN SPACE IN AUBURN, I THINK IT IS A STEP BACKWARDS, SO THAT IS MY OPINION AT LEAST, I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN
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SAID. SO SECONDLY, THE TRAFFIC ON OGLE TRUSTEE IS ALREADY VERY BUSY, AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A HOT WORSE WITH THIS. YOU HAVE GOT A SCHOOL, AND IT NOT JUST CHILDREN, IT AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU HAVE A FIRE STATION, AND IT IS A BUSY STREET FOR BIKERS AND RUNNERS, I KNOW THAT HAS ALL BEEN SAID BEFORE, BUT IT ONE A SHAME TO HAVE AND ACCIDENT AND LEARN THE HARD WAY.THE THIRD POINT I HAVE IS, I REALLY QUESTION THE NEED, AUBURN BLESSED, WE HAVE SO MANY FACILITIES AND AS I DRIVE AROUND THEY ARE NOT REALLY BUSY. THEY ARE USED, AND THAT GOOD, BUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH STUDY HAS BEEN DONE TO THE NEED.
I THINK AFTER IT. OH, AND I JUST GOT MY LETTER YESTERDAY. IT WAS KIND OF SHORT NOTICE BUT I DEAD GET A LETTER SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>>> I WANT TO POINT OUT REGARDING THE NEED, THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THE PLOT PLAN OF 2030 WHEN WAS THAT DEVELOPD?
>>> 2009. DESIGNATION SUBJECT PROPERTY PARK AND RECREATION AND CEMETERIES.
AND I AGAIN, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS ONCE BEFORE BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT TWO YEARS AGO, DID WE NOT?
>>> THAT'S CORRECT. IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, IT WAS HEARD BY THIS BODY AND ALSO FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL AND APPROVED. NIP ELSE WENT TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? OWENS ROAD, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, SINCE YOU JUST MENTIONED AGAIN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TWO YEARS AGO, HOW MUCH OF THIS HAS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN? I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING OFF AT LEAST IN PROBABLY INDEFINITELY, THE PLAN TO PUT THE HEATED THERAPEUTIC POLE IN IN THAT AREA, WHICH WILL NOW, APPARENTLY, THEY WILL PUT A DOME OVER THIS OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN HAVE A HEATED POOL HERE TO REPLACE WHAT WE LOST WITH HEALTH PLUS WHEN THEY CLOSED DOWN, AROUND WE CAN GET BACK TO THE THERAPEUTIC POLE AND AQUATIC CLASSES AND STUFF FOR THE PEOPLE OUTLIZED THAT.
BUT, WERE THE BALLFIELDS AT ALL --
>>> >>> AND FACT THE POLE WAS GOING TO BE DOMED AND AS HAD ADDITIONAL CHANGES THERE.
>>> LET'S SEE. IS IT? IT IS ABOUT THE SAME AS IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO AS I RECALL.
>>> YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? >>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS ARE IN ADDITION AND AS YOU HAVE
MENTIONED, RECOVERING OVER THAT. >>> THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
I DID NOT THINK THE FIELDS WERE ORIGINAL IN THERE.
DO I SEE SOMEONE ELSE BEFORE I CLOSE THE HEARING? MY NAME IS BEACHDA GUEST. I LIVE AT 731 OAK KNOLL CIRCLE.
I AM A PROPERTY OWNER THAT DOES JOIN THIS PROPERTY.
WE DID GET A NOTICE TWO DAIS AGO AND I THANK YOU FOR SENDING US A NOTE. BACK IN 1977, MY DAD BUILT A HOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY AT 73 IS OAK KNOLL CIRCLE.
IT WAS NOTHING BUT BEAUTIFUL WOODLANDS.
WE HAD A LAKE BEHIND OUR HOUSE CALLED LAKE WILMORE WHICH PROVIDED THE CITY WITH WATER FOR THE CITY.
THE STRUCTURE OF AUBURN BECAME SO LARGE THAT LAKE WILMORE COULD NOT LONGER PROVIDE THE AMOUNT AMOUNT OF WATER THE CITY NEEDED AND SO THE LAKE WAS DRAINED, THE DAM WAS BLOWN UP, AND AS A RESULT, THERE IS A LOT OF SWAMPY LAND IN THAT AREA.
THERE IS A HUGE FLOOD PLAIN BACK THERE.
THE RECENT RAINS WE HAD BACK IN THE SPRING WHERE WE HAD SIX DAYS OF RAIN, SO OVERFLOWED THE CREEK THAT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEBRIS ALL ALONG THE BANKS OF THE RIVER, AND ALSO, HAVE DAMMED UP MANY PARTS OF THAT RIVER.
IT IS A MESS. THAT WAS IN 1977.
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MY DAD MOVED FROM THAT HOUSE IN 1996.IT WAS STILL A BEAUTIFUL LAND. BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HARD ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA, WHAT HAPPENED IN CHICAGO, WHAT IS HAPPENED IN TEXAS, AND AUSTIN, WHEN YOU MOVED BACK TO THIS PROPERTY IN 2001, AFTER RETIRE AND MOVING BACK HOME, WHERE I GREW UP, I FIND, AFTER WE HAVE ALREADY SIGNED THE CONTRACT ON THE HOUSE, ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE WERE EXTREMELY SURPRISED. WE THOUGHT WE WERE COMING HOME TO A LAND THAT WE HAD LOVED FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE TO FIND THAT THERE IS A BALL FIELD, SUPPOSEDLY TO BE BILT-RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSE. I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THE NEED TO PRESERVE THE GREENLAND THAT WAS MY HOMELAND I GREW UP ON 50 YEARS AGO. THANKSGIVING YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
DID YOU SIGN IN, MA'AM? >>> ANYONE ELSE? PSYNOTHING ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, I HAVE COPIOUS NOTES HERE BUT I'M NOT SURE I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE LEFT TO BE ANSWERED.
I HAVE THEM, TRAFFIC IS A BIG CONCERN, WHAT IS, WHAT STUDIES HAVE WE DONE ABOUT TRAFFIC HIS THE RLLY WE HAVE ADDED BALL FIELDS THAT WILL ADD TRAFFIC OVER THE WEEKENDS.
>>> WE HAVE DONE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, I GUESS WE HAVE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TO NIGHT, NOT OPENING KENTWOOD AND OPENING KENTWOOD. SO, WITHOUT THE OPENING OF KENTWOOD, WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THE GROVE HILL ROAD ENTRANCE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE LOOKED AT,
NO. 2, LIGHTING ISSUES, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT LIGHTING THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE FIELDS THAT, IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT?
>>> YES, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH MR. , SORRY FEW I MESS UP YOUR NAME, CRAGGLE? WE ARE BOWRNDTY LIGHTING STANDARD AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE WILL MEET THOSE STANDARDS, I ALSO FORWARDED HIS INFORMATION TO THE PARKS APREC DEPARTMENT, WE ARE PLANNING TO LIGHT THE FIELDS WE WILL LIGHT THE PARKING LOT AROUND THE REC CENTER, AS WELL AS STREET LIGHTING, AND AS KNEW SUBDIVISION, AS WE ENTER INTO THE PARK, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE ARE AWARE OF AND WE WILL MEET THE STANDARDS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.
THE FLOODING ISSUE WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE HAPPENING AS YOU MOVE DIRT AND LEAVE FLOOD PLAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF SUBTRACT THE FLOOD PLAIN.
>>> YEAH, SO, ONE THING TO REMEMBER, AND I THINK MR. MCCORD MENTIONED THIS. THIS PROJECT IS DESIGN AND APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO. THE CONDITIONAL USE WAS CONSIDERED BY THIS BODY AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.
THE FUNDING AT THAT TIME WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE REC CENTER HAS BEEN DESIGNED, FLOOD STUDIES, SOMEONE MENTIONED WETLAND ANALYSIS, ALL THE ENGINEERING HAS BEEN DONE T ONLY CHANGE HAS BEEN ADDITION OF POOLCO WHICH NECESSITATED A LITTLE BIT OF BUILDING DESIGN MODIFICATIONS, BUT, ALL OF THE DESIGN ON THEST OOH SIDE OF ROVER ROAD HAS BEEN DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR DER SIGN STANDARDS.
>>> SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL WON'T BE EXPERIENCING GREATER FLOODING IN THEIR BACKYARD BECAUSE OF THIS
FACILITY? >>> WE DIN SOOR IF CERTAIN RAIN EVENTS SO I CAN'T SAY THAT SHE WON'T EXPERIENCE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN SHE SEES NOW, BUT WE ARE MEETING OUR DESIGN STANDARDS. FOR RAINFALL AND STORM
WATER REQUIREMENTS. >>> CONCERN ABUT TREES AND GREEN PLACEMENT, AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WHAT
ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS? >>> PROTECT J WILL HAVE LANDSCAPING, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN INCLUDES LANDSCAPING ALONG GROVE HILL ROAD AS WELL AS AROUND THE FACILITY, THIS PROJECT WAS PART OF THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN APPROVED IN 201, BY THE CITY COUNCIL. IT WENT THROUGH AND EXTENSIVE
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PUBLIC PROCESS, OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MEETINGS AND STAKE HOLDER MEETINGS. SO, MOST OF -- ALL OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN WAS PLANNED PREVIOUSLY, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL MEET AGAIN OUR REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE LEFT ON THE PROJECT AS WELL.>>> OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE NEED FOR THESE
FIELDS? >>> AGAIN THE NEED CAME OUT OF THE PARK AND REC MASTER PLAN PROCESS FROM 2017, O 2018, APPROVED IN 2018 BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
IN THE MOST RECENT BUDGET CYCLE, IN JUNE, JULY OF THIS YEAR, THE NEED FOR THESE FIELDS BECAME A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, AND RECEIVED FUNDING FOR FISCAL 24, SO THE NEED HAS BEEN THERE, AND IT IS NOW RECEIVED THE HYPE AND AWARENESS OF THE CITY
COUNCIL IN ORDER TO FUN IT. >>> WHAT ABOUT THE CONSULT, HAVE WE CONSULTED THE BIKING COMMUNITY THAT IS MAINTAIN ADD LOT OF THE TRAILS AROUND THE AREA.
>>> YES, SIR. THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR BECKY HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH I THINK IT IS KIP? WHO BUILT A LOFT TRAILS AND IS COMMUNICATING WITH THEM REGARDING -- THE CHANGES THAT ARE NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS
PROPOSED. >>> AND FINALLY THERE SA QUESTION ABOUT TERRAIN AND SUITABLE FOR ACTUALLY PUTTING IN THESE TYPES OF FIELDS THAT THIS AREA AND PERHAPS MAYBE HAVING SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY?
>>> >>> I'M AND ENGINEER WE ENGINEER EVERYTHING, RIGHT? THE TERRAIN IS, IT IS CHALLENGING, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD.
SO THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME CLEARING AND GRADING TO MAKE THE FIELDS WORK. YES.
>>> IS THERE OTHER SUITABLE LANDS, SOMEWHERE AROUND THE CITY
OWNS, THAT -- >>> I WE HAVE TO DER TO THE PARK AND REC PLAN BECAUSE THAT SENT THE PLAN FOR OUR PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES AND PROJECTS THE I THINK FOR 20 YEARS, THIS PROJECT WAS IDENTIFIED FOR FIELDS, SO, THAT IS WHERE E WITH ARE GOING TO PUT THEM.
YES. >>> I ACTUALLY AGREE YOU AND ENCOURAGE INTO LOOK TAT STUDY THAT WAS DONE MORE THAN FIVE
YEARS AGO. >>> IF I COULD, ALSO, JUST TO SPEAK TO THE NEED AND NOT IF THE NEED SHOULD BE IN THIS PARTICULAR SPOT, THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT TO ADDRESS.
BUT, THE NEED ISTRE, THE CITY COUNCIL, IT IS THEIR NO. 1 COMPLAINT, AND THE CITY OF AUBURN, IS IN THEIR TOP TWO COMPLAINT, IS LACK OF BALL FIELDS FOR CHILDREN THE PLAY.
I THINK ONE GENTLEMAN SAID THEY ARE NOT THAT BUSY.
THEY ARE OUT OF PRACTICE SPACE. THEY CAN'T ADD ADDITIONAL SPORTS IN THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THERE IS NO WHERE FOR THE SPORTS TO PLAY.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO GROW THE LACROSSE PROGRAM, ACROSS OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. AND THERE NO WHERE FOR THE KID TO GO. SO, THE NEED AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE IS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY
YES. OUR POPULATION GROWTH, IF I DIDN'T LOOK AT THEM BEFORE THIS MEETING, BUT, THE SERVE SUS FIGURES WE GREW BUT I THINK 45% OR BETTER, MAYBE 48%, 47%?
>>> 43%. FROM 2010 TO 2020, IF YOU LOOK TAT DEMOGRAPHICS, THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF YOUNG FAMILIES, WHICH WOULD IMPLY A DEMAND FOR THAT KIND OF RECREATION, MORE ORGANIZED SPORTS, MORE ORGANIZED PLACES TO PLAY.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS AND I HAVE -- AS WE STRUGGLE THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF CITY DESIGNATING IT, YOU HAVE GOT VERY LITTLE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES SOUTH OF THE INTERSTATE.
FOR THOSE WHO LIVE SOUTH THERE. THAT HAS BEEN A BIG GROWING AREA, AS IS THE NORTH. SO, THEY TRY TO SPREAD THESE OUT, UNLIKE SOME CITIES WHICH TRY TO CONCENTRATE THEM IN ONE HUGE COMPLEX, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN ON THE MAP FOR A
I UNDERSTAND THE CHANGE IT IS GOING TO OCCUR, WHEN IT HAPPENS.
IF IT HAPPENS. >>> REALLY MY ONLY QUESTION IS KENTWOOD, I KNOW IT IS NOT A SUPER STRONG STREET, IT IS -- SO IS THAT A NECESSITY OR CAN IT BE OPEN AND CLOSED AS TRAFFIC NEEDS? F THE PROJECT CURRENTLY DOES NOT INCLUDE CONNECTING KENTWOOD. THE PLANS SHOW IT, WE WILL BUILD THE PLAN CURRENTLY IS TO BUILD --
>>> >>> WE WILL BUILT KENTWOOD, GO TO THE EAST, TO RIGHT THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE MOUSE.
THE REREMAINDER OF KENT WOO TO THE CONNECTION WILL BE GRADED, SO HOPEFULLY THERE ARE A LOT OF STUDENTS THAT PARK, STUDENTS DON'T PARK, THE PARENTS PARK, AND THEY WALK, SO THEY WILL BE
ABLE TO WALK THROUGH. >>> IT WON'T BE PEDESTRIAN?
>>> CORRECT I. WON'T BE OPEN TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AT THIS TIME.
>>> IS THAT ASSESSED UNDER A NEED BASIS DOWN THE ROAD?
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>>> YES, MA'AM. >>> OR POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDIES DOWN THE ROAD?
>>> YES, MA'AM, I THINK WE WILL EVALUATE IT, AS THE FACILITY IS CONSTRUCTED, AS THE FIELDS COME ON-LINE AND ABOUT TWO YEARS.
>>> THAT IS -- I LIVE ON WINWAY, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA AND MY CAUGHT DAKER WENT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AT OAK L TRUSTEE SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCERNS, OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TONIGHT. I KNOW WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED 12 YEARS AGO, OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON FOR THAT AREA CAME AND SPOKE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THIS PLAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE GROVE HILL CLUBHOUSE, AND I NO E THAT THIS PLAN HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG, A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GETTING REAL SHORT NOTE AND HATE THAT. AND I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A PARKS AND REC PRIORITY FOR A REALLY LONG TIME TO FIND LAND THAT THE CITY OWNS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS TO OWN LAND TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE FACILITIES ON THAT.
SO, I THINK THE AYE CUMULATION OF THE LAND, TOO, IS -- HAS BEEN A PROCESS THAT IS, THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW. IT TAKES SOME TIMES DECADE TO PUT PARCEL TOGETHER. I WOULD BE YOUR USE AND I HAVE WALKED AND RIDDEN AND MOUNTAIN BIKE THOSE TRAILS, BACK BEHIND THERE, NOT RECENTLY, BUT I HAVE BEEN BACK THERE, I'M TOO OLD NOW. I AM CURIOUS, HOW MUCH OF THOSE TRAILS DOES THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT TAKE UP? I DON'T KNOW HOW EXTENSIVE THOSE TRAILS ARE, BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS ONE LITTLE PARCEL, PUT THEY ARE PRETTY WIDE RANGING FROM
SO, IN OUR ANALYSIS FOR WHEN WE LOOKED AT PLANS, AND LO GAN CAN YOU GO TO THE SITE PLAN? MAYBE I WILL ZOOM IN ONE, IF YOU CAN? I WILL TRY TO DESCRIBE IT A LITTLE BIT. THE TRAILS WILL TERMINATE KIND OF WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
FOR THE FIELDS. AND THE SHORT TERM.
AND AGAIN THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR BECKY WILL MEET WITH THOSE GROUPS, AND DETERMINE HOW BEST TO, IF WE CIRCULATE THOSE TRAILS BACK AND THE RECREATION CENTER, OR BACK THROUGH THE
PARKING LOT. >>> THEY DO CONTINUE ON BACK
BEHIND -- >>> THEY CONTINUE TO THE WEST
SIDE, YES. >>> TO THE PROJECT ALREADY IN
>>> WE ARE NOT COMPLETELY ELIMINATING.
>>> THAT'S CORRECT. >>> THOSE, THOSE TRAILS THAT
>>> SO, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY OTHER PLANS FOR WHAT MIGHT BE, I GUESS, IS THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PARK WHERE THE LAKE USED TO BE? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU PLAN TO GO IN THERE? IS THAT GOING TO REMAIN WOODED?
>>> SO, A THE THIS TIME, IT IS WOODED, BUT AGAIN THE PARKS AND REC, LIKE IN MY COMPUTER SCREEN WENT DOWN.
THE PARKS AND REC PLAN IS THE PLACE TO LOOK FOR ALL OF THE FUTURE PLANS THAT THE CITY HAS FOR THE CITY PROPERTIES, REGARDING PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
>>> UH-HMM. SO THERE COULD BE FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT HERE? >>> WHAT I REMEMBER IS THERE ARE TRAIL PROS POSED WEST OF, GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND AND I
CAN EL YOU. >>> THERE WILL BE TRAILS PUT I'M TALKING ABOUT, LET'S SAY, SOME MORE BALL FIELDS OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >>> IT IS ALMOST ANY WEB SITE.
IT IN IN THE MASTER PLAN FOR PARK AND REC THAT CAN BE FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE THAT IS VERY, I MOON IT IS 20, 30 PAGES
LONG, IT IS VERY EXTENSIVE. >>> RIGHT.
>>> AND IT CARRIES OUT FOR MULTIPLE DECADE OF POTENTIAL LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT. OR GOALS FOR THE PARK, I SHOWBLGHT SAY, DEVELOPMENT GOALS FOR THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT.
>>> OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ANYONE WANT THE MAKE A MOTION ON THE PROSE PROVE PROPOSAL? I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE C. 202-2048.
>>> I SECOND. >>> TO CITY COUNCIL FOR
APPROVAL. >>> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. DO WE -- ANYONE WISH TO DISCUSS
THE MOTION? >>> CITY COUNCIL DATE IS OCTOBER 1TH. 18TH.
NEXT TUESDAY. >>> MOTION, ANYBODY? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE? EYE. ANY OPPOSED SAY NO.
AND THE MOTION CARRIES. THE OTHER BUSINESS, IS THINK ANY
>>> NOT MUCH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS THERE.
>>> PARDON? >>> THEN THE CHAIRMAN HAS NO COMMUNICATIONS, STAFF, ANY COMMUNICATIONS? NOT TODAY, THANK YOU.
>>> WELL THEN, I GUESS WE ARE JUST
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