9.a. Ad valorem property taxes. Authorization for Lee County Revenue Commissioner to collect. Unanimous consent necessary.

[9.b. Annexation. Luke J. Greinke. Approximately 21.94 acres. Property located at 484 Lee Road 25 (Hillandale Drive). Applicant: Luke Greinke. Unanimous consent necessary. ]

>> YES. >> ADAMES?

>> YES. >> ANDERS?

>> YES. >> A REQUEST FROM LOU GREINKE AND 21.94 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 44 LEE ROAD 25. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL UP TO APRIL 13TH MEETING BY A VOTE OF 3-3. THE THAI CAUSE THE MOTION TO FAIL. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY?

>> ONE OF THE COUNCIL HAS A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THI THIS EVENING? HEARING AND SEEIN NONE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND MR. GREINKE IS HERE IF WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM A QUESTION.

>> GOOD EVENING. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS. ON MAIN THING. YOU HAVE ABOUT 22 ACRES. WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE TH

PROPERTY, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO? >> RUN 2018.

>> YOU HAVE INTENTION ON FURTHE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PROPERTY? DO YOU HAVE ANY ATTENTION OF ¿

>> NO. THE NUMBER ONE GOAL FOR US IS WE HAVE A FOUR-YEAR-OLD

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AND A TWO-YEAR-OLD. NOW WE ARE TAKING SCHOOL INTO CONSIDERATIO NOW. THAT'S BEEN OUR GOAL. WE ENJOY LIVING ON A LOT OF PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT. IF WE BUY THE LAND CLOSER TO THE CITY AND WE WATCH HOW OU CITIES AND OUR ROADS GROW THAT

WILL EVENTUALLY GET TO US. >> YOUR PRIMARY INTEREST IS GETTING KIDS INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM?

>> YES, THAT IS IT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. GREINKE WHILE HE IS STANDING THERE? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL

>> THE ZONING WOULD BE RURAL. THAT REQUIRES THERE WOULD BE NO PROHIBITION BUT SUBDIVIDING IT. YOU HAVE THREE ACRE LOT

MINIMUMS. >> I AM SAYING I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS TONIGHT. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN , I BELIEVE HIM WHEN HE SAYS HE WANTS TO GET HIS KID THIS GOOD. WE ARE BLESSED. I THINK WE ARE GROWING IN EVERY DIRECTION. WE GO ALL THE WAY T GO WHERE HE WILL. IT'S NOT AS NEAR AS FAR AS IT IS OUT TO THAT. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

>> WHILE YOU COULD SUBDIVIDE IT JUST TO CLARIFY, IT IS NOT YOU

INTENT TO DO SO. >> NO. WE PUT OUR HOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THAT WAS NOT OUR INTENTION. IT IS STILL NOT OUR INTENTION. OUR FIRST GOAL WOULD BE THE KIDS AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CITY GROWTH.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I THINK THE GOAL IS OBVIOUSLY THE CITY'S GOAL. LIKE SO MANY OTHERS. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY AND OUR NEED FOR THAT. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THAT IN THE DISCUSSION OF THAT.

IF THAT EXPANDS IN SIX MONTHS MR. GREINKE WILL COME BACK AND FORTH. THROUGHOUT THE SAME PROCESS. I THINK HE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS. THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TURNS NORTH. IT WAS OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY AT THE TIME. WE'VE TAKEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE CITY BOUNDARY RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT IS WHY HE IS HERE AND REQUESTING THIS. I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT AS WELL. I DON'T THINK HE'S ASKING FOR ADDITIONA SERVICES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF

THAT TONIGHT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHEN WE ANNEX, I UNDERSTAND THE CITY LINE MOVES.

HOW DOES THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY OPERATE WHEN WE ANNEX PROPERTY? WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THING HE CAME TO ME WITH. HE SAID, WE WILL HAVE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR CORRECT ME IF I GET OFF THE RAILS. WE HAVE BEEN MOVING BEHIND THE SCENES, THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY AS ANNEXATIONS CHANGE THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT COMING UP AS WE DO THIS. I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SEVERAL OF YO ABOUT THIS. IT WOULD BE WE SHOULD NEVER MOVE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY ITSELF UNLESS THIS BOD MOVES IT. EVEN IF YOU ANNEX OUTSIDE OF IT AND YOU KNOW WHER THE STARTING POINT WAS I BELIEV OUR INTENT IS TO KEEP THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY WHERE IT IS. WHEN WE RENEW THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS OR YOU INSTRUCT OTHERWISE IN TWO YEARS YOU WANT IT LOOKED AT AGAIN AND IT NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT WAS SO I GIVE YOU A GAUGE. IT IS A GUIDE. YOU ARE NOT COMPELLED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO AND HE SPENT TIME RESEARCHING AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. WE LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE AND IMPACTING OF THINGS. WE LOOK AT A GENERAL GROWTH. WE ARE BUMPING TO THE NORTH. COUNCILMAN DAWSON'S POINT. OUT IN HIS WORLD WE ARE AT THE MACON COUNTY LINE. WE AR NOT TO MACON COUNTY IN THIS PAR OF WHICH IS WARD 7 NOW. WE ARE NOT. THOSE ARE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE MAKE DURING THE PROCESS OF DEALING AND INTERACTING WIT ONE COUNTY GOVERNMENT INSTEAD O THREE. THAT HAS BEEN MANY THING PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IN THE PROCESS. ULTIMATELY, KEVIN ARE YOU SEEING THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY

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SHOULD REMAIN WHERE IT IS? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> I'M NOT SAYING WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS. OPTIMAL BOUNDARY WHERE YOU SAID IT AT THE END OF THE SUMMER WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT IS WHERE IT WILL STAY EVEN IF YOU ANNEX OUTSIDE OF IT.'S YOU HAVE A GUIDE TO WHERE IT WAS.

>> IT WAS VERY CONFUSING AS I LOOKED AT THIS AS WELL. IT LOOK LIKE IT FELL RIGHT ON HIS PROPERTY LINE.

>> THERE HAS BEEN CONFUSION OVE THAT. I WANT TO CLARIFY ONCE AN FOR ALL. IT WILL STAY THERE. THAT WAY YOU CAN TELL IN A 4 TO 5 YEAR PERIOD WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON. OUR ONLY GOAL WAS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO YOU TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. THAT WAS THE CALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRESIDENT IN ONE DIRECTION O THE OTHER.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> DO WE HAVE PLANS TO LOOK AT

THIS IN THE SUMMER? >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. I CAN'T GUARANTEE WHETHER O NOT THE PROPERTY WILL END UP IN THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, EVEN IF YOU ANNEX IT. REMEMBER WE ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF FACTORS IN THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. YOU ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO MOVE WHATEVER IT IS WE PROPOSE. IT IS A MASSIVE MATRIX. THE DEPARTMENT HAS IT SITTING AT TH FRONT AND THROUGHOUT THE ROOM. EVERYBODY HAS INPUT ON OUR SERVICES IN RESPONSE TIMES. IF YOU THINK WERE BUILDING PUBLIC WORKS AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICE IN THE FAR WESTERN SIDE OF THE CITY. THE FURTHER WE GO IS A LONGER RESPONSE TIME TO STORMS TO DOWNED TREES. YOU HAVE A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. THE

EDGES ARE THE TOUGHEST PART. >> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND , THIS BODY HAS DISAPPROVED THE ANNEXATION THAT WAS OUTSIDE TH ULTIMA LIMITS. IN THE PAST. WE DO HAVE A PRECEDENT FOR HONORIN THE BOUNDARIES. I HAVE NO DOUB WHATSOEVER EVENTUALLY YOUR PROPERTY WILL BE INSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY. CHILDREN AT THAT AGE , WE WILL CONSIDER THI SOON. THOSE THAT HAVE HAD THEIR REQUEST DISAPPROVED WHAT ABSOLUTELY LOOK FAVORABLY UPON THIS BASED ON OUR PRECEDENT IN THE PAST.

>> TO CLARIFY THERE ISN'T A TIMELINE ON A REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION. SHOULD IT BE DENIED OF BRINGING IT BACK ?

>> THIS IS WHAT , OCTOBER? >> YES.

>> I DO NOT WANT YOU TO CONFUSE THIS WITH ZONING ACTIONS AND CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL THINGS THAT DO HAVE TICKING CLOCKS. WE DID RESEARCH ON THIS AND THERE IS NO SUCH CLOCK ON AND

ANNEXATION. >> YOU CANNOT PUT CONDITIONAL USES ON ANNEXATIONS? MEANING,

>> IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES IN AS RURAL. THAT IS AS FAR AS YOU AR GETTING. ARE YOU SAYING TO CONDITION IN TERMS OF ABILITY T SOMETHING FURTHER? I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT AND I WOULD NEED SOME TIME TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH LEGAL COUNSEL. I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO I IF THAT IS YOUR DESIRE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, WHEN IT WAS BEFORE ALL, NOTHING HAS CHANGED, CORRECT?

>> NO. NOTHING HAS CHANGED OTHE THAN THE CITY COUNCIL HAS

CHANGED. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAY I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? THE LAST TIME THIS WAS BEFORE U I WAS ON THE COUNCIL. IT IS MY BELIEF THAT WE SHOULD HONOR TH INTEGRITY OF THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY. A COMMENT WAS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER. THE HAD THREE PLANNING COMMISSIONER MISSING FROM THE MEETING. IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW THAT WOULD'VE TURNED OUT. IF THE FULL BODY HA BEEN PRESENT. A COMMENT WAS MAD BY THE COMMISSIONER THAT REALLY SPOKE TO ME THAT SAID MAYBE WE ARE SLIGHTLY BEHIND. WHEN THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY WAS DRAWN ORIGINALLY THE ANTICIPATION OF WHERE WE COULD BE TODAY IN 2023 WE HAVE GREATLY OUTGROWN. IT MADE ME REALLY EVALUATE SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THERE HAS BEEN NUANCES OF WHETHER THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY

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MOVES OR DOES NOT MOVE WITH ANNEXATIONS. FOR THOSE REASONS IT IS CURIOUS TO ME THAT WE AR BACK HERE AGAIN LOOKING AT THIS IT DOES SHINE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY IN MY LENS FOR THIS

TIME AROUND. THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. GRISWOLD SAID. WHEN MR. GREINK WAS HERE THE FIRST TIME WE DID NOT GET TO SPEAK. THERE WAS CONFUSION THAT NIGHT. FOR A LOT OF OUR THOUGHT THIS IS 22 ACRE AND YOU BRING IT IN THERE WILL BE A REZONING AND THEY COULD COME IN FAST AND FURIOUS BEHIND IT. IT COULD BE A BIG SUBDIVISION OUT THERE. THAT WAS IMPACTING MY DECISION WHETHER T SUPPORT IT OR NOT. UNDERSTANDIN YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR FAMILY OUT THERE AND YOU WANT TO HAVE ONE HOUSE ON 22 ACRES AND NOT TAKE A LOT FROM THE CITY BUT TO HAVE YOUR KIDS PART OF OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. THAT DOES CHANGE THE WAY I VIEW THIS, THIS EVENING. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY,

ROLL CALL? >> GRISWOLD?

>> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES.

[10.a. Conditional use approvals. Planning Commission recommendations. Public hearings required. ]

>> ARE YOU READY FOR RESOLUTIONS? 10 A 1 CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR TH FOLLOWING COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT USES. GRUBHUB HOLLER TELSTAR PACKAGE STORE AND OR RECREATIONAL USE OF A , SORRY , I REROUTE PACKAGE STORE BUT IS A INTERNAL ARENA. THERE IS ALSO A REQUEST FOR ROAD SERVICES AND USES OF ATM AND CARWASH DETAILING SHOPPING GASOLINE SERVICE STATION. THEY HAVE ANOTHER OF ALREADY APPROVE CONDITIONAL USES IN THE PACKET. THAT'S IN ADDITION TO PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED AT 2560 AND 260 EAST GLEN AVENUE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY. THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST. AT IT APRIL 13TH MEETING WITH A REMOVAL. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> A MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. I YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> MY WIFE AND I AND THE OWNERS OF DELTA DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE TH MASTER DEVELOPERS OF SPRING LAK APARTMENTS WITH RETAIL. WE APPRECIATE YOUR VOTES FIRST TIM AROUND. THEY HAVE DONE EXTREMEL WELL. 95% RENTED ALREADY. WITH EVEN HIGHER RENTS THAN EXPECTED. WE HAVE DONE WELL. NO WE ARE IN PHASE TWO. WHICH IS TO ACQUIRE RETAIL. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN ADDITION TO IT. WHICH IS A HOTEL. THE SITE IS CHALLENGING. BECAUSE THERE IS A GAS LINE EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SITE. IT'S QUITE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF MOVING THE LINE THE GRADING HAS BEEN COMPLETE. THE SITE IS READY TO BUILD ON AND NOTHING IS TO BE DONE. ALL THAT WAS PRE-DONE. WE PUT THE RED LIGHT IN. WE HAVE A LOT OF RED LIGHT LATELY. THE RED LIGH IS IN. TURN LANES AND THE WAY YOU SEE THE SIDE RIGHT NOW IS EXACTLY THE WAY WE BUILT ON IT. WE CANNOT ADD ANY MORE. IT IS READY. WE DO HAVE , WE WOULD LIKE THE REQUEST FOR A HOTEL ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT FOUR ACRES WE KNOW WE WILL END UP WITH SOM TYPE OF RESTRICTION BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT. PROBABLY BE ABOUT 600 FEET. THAT WILL NOT BE A TALL HOTEL. WE DO REQUEST THAT THOUGH. IT WILL BE A GREAT USE FOR IT. BECAUSE THE GAS LINE WILL BE VERY STRICT. WE CAN ONLY PUT PARKING OVER THE GAS LINE EASEMENT. IT IS NOT JUST A SIMPLE GAS LINE. IT IS TWO MAIN GAS LINES. THEY HAVE BEEN THER FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY CANNOT

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BE MOVED. WE REQUEST TO HAVE THOSE REMOVED. IT WAS MILLIONS TO MOVE THE GAS LINES. JUST TO THE BORDER OF THE PROPERTY. IT WAS NOT AN OPTION AT ALL. WE DI COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM THEY AGREED TO LET US BUILD OVE THE GAS LINE. THE ROAD IS GOIN OVER THE TOP OF THE GAS LINE. THE GAS LINE GOES DIAGONAL THROUGH THE PROPERTY. WE ARE ASKING FOR A HOTEL SITE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT. WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS NOT THAT MANY THINGS THAT CAN GET THERE. THE PARKING OUT FRONT, WE REQUEST THE HOTEL SITE. WE ARE REQUESTING A REMOTE ATM. IF WE DO NOT PUT A BANK ON THE THREE ACRE SITE. WE DO HAVE INTEREST IN A BANK ON THE THREE ACRE SITE. WE COULD , IT'S NOT QUITE THREE ACRES.

2.84. THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. IF WE PUT A BANK IN WE ARE NOT REQUESTING A PORTABLE ATM. WE HOPE TO HAVE A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WILL BE HARD TO FIT ANYTHING ON. WE NEED TO SEL EVERY INCH OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE INVESTMENT THAT WE DO HAVE.

EVERYTHING IS READY TO BE DONE. WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A MINIMART. A FOOD MART WHICH WE THINK WILL WORK WELL WITH TH APARTMENTS. WITH THE BUSINESS MODEL OF THIS GENTLEMAN. WE AR REQUESTING FUEL ON THE SITE. I WILL BE LIMITED. WE ARE LIMITED BY THE COMPANY WHO WE SOLD THE APARTMENT SITE TWO. WE HAVE TO GO BY THERE RESTRICTIONS. EVERYTHING WILL HAVE TO BE FINISHED ON ALL FOUR SIDES. NO UNSIGHTLY REAR BUILDINGS FOR TH NEIGHBORHOODS. OR FOR THE APARTMENTS. THEY HAVE THEIR APPROVAL AND IT WILL BE TOUGH. IF WE DO , WE FEEL LIKE IT WOUL BE A GREAT FIT FOR THE TENANTS OF THE GLEN. THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE RENAMED IT FROM SPRING LAKE. WE DO REQUEST FUEL AND MINIMART ON THAT SIDE. BUT IS THE ONLY CHANGE.

>> NO INDOOR RECREATIONAL USES?

>> IT IS ON OUR AGENDA. YOU DID MENTION IT.

>> YES, IT IS A POSSIBILITY. >> WAS THE QUESTION I HAD, THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE HERE, DOES THAT MEAN YOU WILL BUILD EVERY ONE OF THOSE OR ARE THESE THING IN CASE SOMEONE COMES ALONG THA

YOU JUST WANT TO BE READY ? >> THESE ARE JUST POSSIBILITIES WE DO NOT WANT TO BE LOCKED INT CERTAIN THINGS. WE ARE GOING T HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND MARK THIS REALLY HARD TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES TO THIS SITE. THAT'S WHAT WE BROUGHT THE WOODRUFF COMPANY. IT LEADS TO HUNDREDS OF TENANTS IN COLUMBUS. ONE OF THE REASON WE CHOSE THOSE IS TH ACTUALLY LEASE TO THREE STARBUCKS. WE WANT A STARBUCKS ON THIS SITE. WERE GOING AFTER THEM. WE WILL BE AGGRESSIVE AND NOT WAIT FOR PHONE CALLS TO COM IN. WE WILL GO AFTER PEOPLE THA WE WANT. A HILTON AND MARRIOTT IS THE ONLY TWO BRANDS THAT WE WILL ALLOW ON THE SITE. THEY DO THE BEST JOB AND THEY HAVE MORE BRANDS THAN ANYONE. WE WILL NO ALLOW ANY HOTEL GROUP TOGETHER, THAT IS THE ONLY TWO WE WILL

ALLOW TOGETHER. >> THERE ARE SOME USES THAT YO

TOOK OFF THE TABLE. >> WE ARE ADDING THE ATM TO THE

LIST. >> REMOVE THE FOLLOWING USES, ROAD SERVICE USES, ATM AND CARWASH .

>> THAT IS A STAFF, ASKING YOU TO REMOVE THAT. STAFF IS ASKING YOU TO REMOVE IT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WENT IN THE MIDDLE AND REMOVE THE CARWASH. FROM THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO YO FOR A FINAL DECISION. ON PAGE 2 ¿

>> IT WAS THE CARWASH DETAILING

>> THEY REMOVE THE CARWASH DETAILING SHOP. THE STAFF REQUEST WAS FOR ALL ROAD SERVICES USES IN THE REQUEST TO NOT BE INCLUDED. TO FURTHER CLARIFY ON PAGE 2 ALL OF THE USES THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED PREVIOUSLY AND OTHER ITERATION

OF THE PDD. >> WHAT IS A CONDO TAIL?

>> THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL WERE THE LAUREL HOTEL FUNCTIONS AS

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SUCH. THERE ARE HOTEL ROOMS IN THE BUILDING. SOME PEOPLE OWN CONDOMINIUMS IN THE BUILDING. WHEN THEY DO NOT USE THEM THEY CHOOSE TO LEASE THEM AS HOTEL ROOMS.

>> DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WHILE HE IS HERE? THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEA

TO THE COUNCIL? >> ROBERT WILKINS. THIS TIME I AM RIGHT. 261 DENISON DRIVE . IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. I KNOW TH MAYOR WAS LOST WITH YOU GONE. WHAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WA THE 10 A 1. I DO NOT LIVE OUT THERE. I LIVE ABOUT A MILE FROM HERE. WHAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. MR. GRISWOLD AND MR. PARSON FELT SO STRONG ABOUT THE NC AREAS. IN THAT AREA THAT ALL THAT STUFF WILL BE BUILT , THER IS A NC PLACE. YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND WHEN YOU COME IN THERE IS A GATE. A DOUBLE GATE THAT GOES INTO THE APARTMENT. I DELIVER FOR HUBER. I HAVE DELIVERED IT. FOR THOSE DIFFERENT APARTMENTS AND I HAVE DELIVERED IN THAT COMMUNITY. I AM CONCERNED. THERE IS SO MUCH BEING BUILT AROUND THERE IT'S LIKE YOU ARE TOTALLY STIFLING THAT AREA. HE OPEN THE TWO GATE AND THEY HAVE PADLOCKS ON THEIR IF YOU OPEN AND THEY COME THROUGH , THAT COMMUNITY, IT WILL BE A SHAME. BUILDING A HOTEL , WE TALKED ABOUT HOTEL AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT HAS SHORT-TERM RENTAL SET UP ALSO.

CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE MECHANISM . THE CITY OF AUBURN HAS JUST CONTINUOUSLY GROWN AND GROWN. AND BUILT AND BUILT. TO ME IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THERE IS ANY RHYME OR REASON TO IT. I IS JUST BEING DONE. I FEEL SORR FOR THAT COMMUNITY. I AM SURPRISED THEY ARE NOT HERE SAYING SOMETHING. I DO NOT THIN THEY REALIZE HOW MUCH IS GOING ON. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX YOU SEE ALL O IT. THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL ALONG THERE THERE IS NO BARRIER THERE IS NOTHING. YOU SEE THE WHOLE COMPLEX. THEY WILL NOT HAVE CLOSE FITNESS OF THE COMMUNITY. I'M CONCERNED HOW IT IS BEING DEVELOPED. I THINK IT IS TIME THIS COUNSEL BEGINS TO LOOK. WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING, OF COURSE I KNOW THEY ARE ALREADY ZONING SET UP ALL THE WAY AROUND. YOU ARE NOT GOING INTO THE NC AREA. YOU STILL , NOT ABIDING BY WHAT YOU SAID 10 YEARS AGO, THAT YOU BELIEVE AND THAT THE NC SHOULD HAVE NO NOISE. I BELIEVE A LONG TIME AGO ALL THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THAT COMMUNITY DESERVES MORE THAN THAT. I AM JUST CONCERNED AS A CITIZEN. I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN OR LOSE FROM THE SITUATION. THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP HAS AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF PLAYING FOR THAT. THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH PROPERTY THERE. ANYWAY, IT JUS

BOTHERED ME. THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> WE WILL CLOSE THE BOOK HERE. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN , WAS THIS REVISED FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL? IT WAS LIKE THERE WAS A HOTEL SITE ON THIS ORIGINAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ORIGINAL OR NOT. I'M CURIOUS WH IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE

CONDITIONAL USE TO BEGIN WITH? >> YOU ARE REFERRING TO SPRING LAKE CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN. THAT ONE IS THE 2023 DRAWING.

>> OKAY. >> IN 2016, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED THERE WERE MANY DISCUSSIONS. THE USES SHOWN ON PAGE 2 OF YOUR STAFF MEMBER WER THE ONLY USES THAT WERE APPROVE TO HAVE UPFRONT. TO SIDEBAR TO THE DOUBLE GATES THAT MR. WILKINS IS SPEAKING TO OFF INDIAN HILLS ROAD THAT'S A FIRE ACCESS, AND NOT ANY OTHER ACCESS. DO YOU RECALL THAT? I

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HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. WE HAVE HA RESIDENTS IN INDIAN HILLS ASK ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT FOR ACCESS FOR ANYONE ELSE. IF WE NEED TO FIGHT A FIRE FROM THAT SIDE THERE ARE GATES THAT WE CAN GET OPEN OR RAM OUR TRUCKS STRAIGHT THROUGH AND GET FASTER ACCESS T BUILDINGS. LOOKING AT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. ONCE THE USE GOES IN SUCH AS APARTMENTS OR OTHER THINGS IT'S UP AGAINST A NC NEIGHBORHOOD BUFFERS ARE REQUIRED. TYPICALLY IN THE 15 T 20 FOOT RANGE. PLUS THE HEAVY PLANTINGS.

>> WHAT ELSE? >> THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS , I DO NOT SEE WHAT THEIR CONDITION WERE.

>> IF YOU GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION, WHICH IS JUST PAST THE STAFF MEMO. THE NEXT PAGE OVER IT HAS KEVIN HOWARD SIGNATURE AT THE BOTTOM. ROAD SERVICE USE AND CARWASH/DETAILING SHOP. DO YOU SEE THAT KELLY?

>> STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY DO THAT PLUS ATMS PLUS GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS. AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN THEIR MOTION ONL TO THE CARWASH.

>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH A GAS STATION?

>> THEY SPOKE TO THAT DURING TH MEETING.

>> THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GAS STATION AND ULTIMATELY THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO INCLUDE THOSE. IT'S A CONDITION TO REMOVE FROM THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT LOCATION AND POTENTIAL LOCATION OF THE PUMPS. WHETHER IN FRONT OR BEHIND THE BUILDING ULTIMATELY THEY WERE COMFORTABL WITH INCLUDING THAT AS A USE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. AS PART

OF THE APPROVAL. >> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO REMOVE THOSE THINGS ? BASICALLY PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT YOU ALL RECOMMENDED.

>> AS PART OF THIS WE CONSIDER COHESIVE PDD. THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT AND YOU HAVE THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OUT FRONT.

WE REFERENCED OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. LOOKING THROUGH WHAT WAS THE INITIAL CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AS PART OF THIS. SEEING HOW IT FITS IN WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND USES UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. WE DID NOT FILL THE USES WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THE LOCATION. WHICH IS WHY WE RECOMMENDED THEY BE REMOVED. W DID NOT TAKE ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE OTHER REQUESTED USES. WE FELT THOSE WERE APPROPRIATE.

>> A LOT OF YOU REMEMBER 2016 AND THERE WAS MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS BEING A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. SO THE COMPROMISE JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING WAS COMMERCIAL WOULD BE TO THE FRON TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. THESE ARE SITE CHALLENGES. A GAS LINE AND OTHER THINGS. DOES THIS NEED TO CONNECT FURTHER BACK TO OTHER DEVELOPMENT? THE GAS LINE IS PROHIBITIVE FOR THAT PIECE. THE NOTION OF THE TIME WAS WE NEEDE ADVOCATE COMMERCIAL USES FOR SOME OF THEM. THAT'S WHY THE ORIGINAL LIST AND MARKET CHANGE OVER TIME IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE APD CHANGE.

>> WE ARE ON THE 2023 SPRING LAKE PLAN.

>> THAT IS NOT BINDING, IS IT? >> NO IT IS NOT.

>> DURING THE PLANNING AND APPEARED IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE SITE WHERE THE HOTEL SECTION , THAT PORTION.

>> IS THIS STILL , ARE YOU ALL STILL USING THIS AS A GUIDE? IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE WORKING OFF RIGHT NOW? THIS PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET HERE TONIGHT

>> THE FOUR ACRE SITE IS WHERE WE ARE DOING THE HOTEL ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD MIGRATE DOWN TOWARD THE GAS

LINE. >> IS IT ON THE ROAD FRONTAGE.

>> COUNSEL THIS IS NOT A PDD AMENDMENT BUT A CONDITIONAL USE WHERE THE USES ARE PLACED THEY CAN MOVE WITHIN THE AREA.

>> IT IS NOT LIKE I WANT YOU T UNDERSTAND ONE THING. WE ARE NO PUSHING FOR A MARKET WITH FUEL. WE ARE OPENING UP THE POSSIBILITIES. OUR PROMPTED THING IS THE HIGH-END RESTAURANT GOING THERE AND OVERLOOKING THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE LAKE AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES BEHIND THERE. IN TODAY'S WORLD WILL WE BE ABLE TO TRACK HIGH-END RESTAURANTS TO GO THERE? I DON'T KNOW. WE PLAN T BUT WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT

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POSSIBILITIES. >> I AM IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU

ALL HAVE DONE SO FAR. >> WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB IN PHASE ONE. WE WILL DO JUST AS GOOD OF A JOB ON PHASE TWO.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. RIGHT NOW WIL WE BE APPROVING THESE USES LESS THE CARWASH AND DETAIL SHOP?

>> YES, THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION. YOU HAVE THE CHOICE. YOU CAN LEAVE IT IN OUR TAKE IT OUT. THAT'S UP TO YOU.

IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU CLARIFY.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECON SO WE DID NOT CLARIFY IT IN THE

MOTION. >> WE TAKE IT AS IS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. IT I YOUR CALL BUT I WOULD PREFER YO SPECIFY SO YOU ARE CLEAR ON WHA YOU ARE VOTING ON. IT IS IN A GREAT AREA AND I WOULD RATHER YOU CLARIFY AND ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OR NOT.

>> IS THERE ANY REASON FOR MR. SPIDEY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. DO WE NEED TO REDO THE MOTION THERE AND TO SPECIFY WE ARE REMOVING IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOL.

>> MR. SPIDEY MAY NOT AGREE WIT THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE HIS REQUEST WAS FOR ALL OF THE ABOV AND THAT YOU CLARIFY THAT. YES YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. IS THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WITH THE CONDITION THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUT IN OR IS IT NOT? WHO MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION ALLISON?

>> PARSONS. >> I WILL MOVE THAT THE CONDITION AS STATED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION REMAIN.

>> PERFECT. YOU HAVE THE SECOND

>> COBLENTZ. >> IS EVERYBODY CLEAR? OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON. W HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND .

ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

>> APPROVAL SUPPORT USE DATA CENTER LOCATED AT 406 WEST VETERANS BOULEVARD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST THAT HIS APRIL 13TH MEETING. A PUBLIC HEARING

IS REQUIRED. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND AT THI TIME. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COM FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS ELIZABETH MCRAE.

830 NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE. I WOUL LIKE TO SAY HAPPY 2023 TO EVERYONE. DUE TO HEALTH ISSUES WAS NOT ABLE TO PERSONALLY COME BACK AND THANK YOU MAYOR ANDERSON AND THE COMMITTEE AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT PARTICIPATED. THESE ARE ONE OF

THE ISSUES THAT I PROPOSE. >> RIGHT NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA. CAN YOU WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING? I APOLOGIZE. I WAS TRYING TO UNCOVER WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YE MA'AM. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK TO THE MILL CREEK DATA CENTER. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL?

>> THIS IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE HEARING OUT THERE. SINCE TRANSPARENCY . THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING OUT THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE PHILLIPS FAMILY WHO ARE LONGTIME AUBURN RESIDENCE. THE ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY COULD'VE SETTLED FOR SOMETHING LESS. THEY CHOSE TO WAIT . I COMMEND THEM. THEY ON THE SHOPPING CENTER OUT THERE. IT IS ALWAYS CLEAN AND IMMACULATE LOOKING. THEY CARE ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS AND DOES.

WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPMENT FOLKS FOR GETTING THIS PARTICULAR DATACENTER BROUGHT IN. IT WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR

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THE INDUSTRY. >> THANK YOU CHIEF. ANYBODY ELSE?

[10.b. Outdoor Café Permit. Stak's Auburn, LLC. Property located at 145 East Magnolia Avenue. Public hearing required. ]

MOTION TO SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I.

>> 10B IS A REQUEST FOR AN OUTDOOR CAFE PERMIT FOR PROPERT LOCATED AT 145 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. A PUBLIC HEARING IS

REQUIRED. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> MOVE TO SECOND. >> IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CIT COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AN GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD. >> YES, SIR.

>> YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES TO ADDRES THE COUNCIL.

>> I WON'T TAKE THAT MUCH OF YOUR TIME. I'M BRIAN WORTH. KIM AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF STACKS ALBERT LLC. WE WERE UP HERE A FEW YEARS AGO. WE THINK IT WAS GREAT SUCCESS WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF THE CITY. THIS W HOPE TO OPEN UP THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND ARE LOOKING FORWAR TO BRINGING SOMETHING ELSE TO DOWNTOWN THAT WE THINK WILL BE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. I WAN TO THANK MEGHAN AND HER TEAM, KEVIN AND HIS TEAM, AND KATE AN THEIR TEAM ALSO IN HELPS US PUT THIS TOGETHER. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING ANOTHER BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN AUBURN. IF

YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW >> WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> I NEED TO ABSTAIN. >> ONE ABSTENTION.

>> THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE OUTDOO EAT, RIGHT? AND NO CHANGE,

RIGHT? >> NO CHANGES. THIS IS FUSION HAD THE SAME OUTDOOR SPACE. THEY'RE JUST ASKING TO USE THAT A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO ELEVATE BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL GRADE CHANGES IN THE FEATURE AND TO MAKE IT MATC THEIR BUILDINGS, AND THIS IS ON OF THEM. SO JUST REUSE OF THE SPACE. BECAUSE THERE'S A CHANGE IN TENANT, WE'VE GOT TO REDO THEIR AGREEMENT. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT. EVERY SPACE VACATED IN DOWNTOWN HAD A TENAN IN WAIT, SO THAT'S VERY NICE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT. LOOK FORWARD TO THE BUSINESS BEING OPEN. HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

[10.c. Vacation. East Mag. Investments, LLC. Property located at 801 Ogletree Road. Public hearing required. ]

ITEM CARRIES. >> A REQUEST TO THE DRAINAGE AN UTILITY EASEMENT THAT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE '70S AND IS NOT USED FOR ANYTHING AND HAS NO PUBLIC PURPOSE IN IT AND TO EXECUTE A QUICK CLAIM DEED FOR THE EASEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 803 OGLETREE ROAD. A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> THE MOTION IS SECONDED. THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I.

[10.d. Board appointments. East Alabama Mental Health Board. Two (2) positions. Terms begin immediately and end March 31, 2029. Postponed from March 21, 2023, City Council meeting. ]

>> I. >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION

CARRIES. >> ITEM 10C, APPOINT SUZANNE CANON TO THE EAST ALABAMA MENTA HEALTH BOARD AND END MARCH 21, 2029. THIS WAS POSTPONED FROM THE MARCH 2023 CITY COUNCIL

MEETING. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. IT'S

ALREADY BEEN MOVED, I GUESS. >> WE HAD TO PULL IT, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HAD TO PULL IT OFF OF CONSENT BECAUSE IT WAS O THERE. SO THAT'S FINE, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU CAN JUST VOTE ON IT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAV A PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR,

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PLEASE SAY I. ANY OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS WE HAVE.

>> AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE FORRUM. THIS IS A 3-MINUTE OPPORTUNITY. PLEASE SHARE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS AN QUESTIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND NOT TO THE CITY STAFF. YES, MA'AM?

>> I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT, SO I' GOING TO MAKE THIS QUICK.

SUZANNE BALL, EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. ON OCTOBER 4TH OF LAST YEAR, I CAME BEFORE THIS COUNCI AND INQUIRED AS TO THE NATURE O TRAINING THAT OCCURS FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. I HAD INTEREST IN THE TRAINING REGARDING THE FEDERAL AND STATE CONSTITUTION SINCE I HAVE SEEN VIOLATIONS OF THE 1ST, 4TH, AND 14TH AMENDMENTS. AFTER BEING GIVEN A VAGUE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, I SUBMITTED A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. I WAS ALLOWED TO PURCHASE A COPY OF THE OR YENTATION MANUAL VIA MY RECORDS REQUEST FOR JUST UNDER $50. I ASKED ABOUT GETTING A DIGITAL COPY OF THE MANUAL TO SHARE AND WAS TOLD THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT REQUEST SINCE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE NOT GIVEN A DIGITAL COPY. THEREFORE I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT TO PLEAS