8.c.2. Bill & Sons Body Shop Inc. Repairs to Police patrol vehicle #104 due to traffic collision. $23,662.90.

[8.c.6. Headwaters, LLC. Purchase 1,652 stream mitigation credits from Broadview Mitigation Bank (BMB). Boykin‐Donahue Campus Project. $247,800. ]

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR AYE.

ANY OPPOSED. CARRIES.

>> ITEM 8-C-6 [READING]. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

MS. TAYLOR. >> OKAY, I GUESS MY QUESTION ON THIS ONE IS, 1652 STREAM MITIGATION CREDITS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS? >> I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN BEFORE I ASK THE EVENING NEAR TO EXPLAIN. ULTIMATE MATTINGLY TO MAKE A FLAT PLANE SURFACE ON THE BOYKIN-DONAHUE CAMPUS YOU NEED TO FILL IN AREAS. WHEN DO YOU THAT THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS GET INVOLVED AND YOU HAVE TO BASE ON YOUR IMPACT TO THOSE STREAMS YOU HAVE TO BUY CREDITS TO RESTORE A STREAM ELSEWHERE IN A CERTAIN WATERSHED OR OTHER TYPE DEAL SO WE ARE IN ESSENCE SPENDING $250,000 JUST IN STREAM CREDITS TO BE ABLE TO EVENTUALLY DELIVER A FLAT PLANE SURFACE BETWEEN THE NEW AND OLD BUILDINGS. SCOTT AN EVENING NEAR WOULD YOU

LIKE TO ANSWER FURTHER? >> THIS IS A TOOL THAT IS TO ENABLE FOLKS THAT HAVE TO PERMANENTLY IMPACT.

THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS MANAGES THE PROGRAM.

THE COMPUTATION TOOLS WHERE YOU GET THE 1652 STREAM MITIGATION CREDITS IS A CALCULATION GEFLD BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THE COST IS JUST SIMPLY WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE TO PAY FOR THOSE CREDITS AT SOME MITIGATION BANKS SO THE MITIGATION BANKS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED I'D THEY ARE THR -- EITHER THROUGH RESTORATION OF STREAMS IN ORDER TO MANAGE THOSE AND FOREVER AND THE MITIGATION BANKS ARE ALSO MANAGED AND INSPECTED BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

>> IS THIS A REQUIREMENT OF THIS PROJECT?

>> YES, ULTIMATELY IF WE NEED TO, BECAUSE OF THE DIRT SHIFTING, THE AMOUNT OF SITE WORK YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SEE IN LATER CONTRACTUAL SAY TEMPERATURES WHICH YOU READ THROUGH ABOUT DESIGN CHANGES OUT THERE, THEY TALK ABOUT HERE'S THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE PROJECT MINUS SITE WORK AND ONE OF OUR BIGGEST EXPENSES ON THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS THE SIT ISILLY AND WE ARE FIXING THIS BUT ALLISON IS THERE ANY CHOICE BUT TO MITIGATE STREAM IT? HELPS DELIVER THE PLAYING

SURFACE. >> CORRECT ITS PRIMARY PURPOSE WAS TO DELIVER THE PLAYING FIELD.

>> IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WE CAN REDESIGN.

[00:35:04]

>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? >> SO YOU MEAN LITERALLY LEVEL

THE PLAYING FIELD. >> I GUESS THE OVERALL QUESTION, IS WHAT DO WE GET FOR OUR MONEY? ARE WE JUST DOING IT BECAUSE THE EPA AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAYS WE HAVE TO DO IT? IT'S MURKY WHERE THE MONEY GOES AND WHY.

>> SONNY I THINK ONE KEY THING IS THIS IS COMMON IN ROAD PROJECTS AND IT'S COMMON IN BUILDING CONSTRUCTION SITES ALL OVER. MY HOME STATE OF CALIFORNIA YOU DON'T DO A DONE OF THIS. THERE ARE STREAMS AND WENT LANDS EVERY. IN ALABAMA SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A NATIONWIDE PERMIT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY? IT'S EXTREMELY COMPLICATED BUT OVER THE YEARS WE DID AT SAM HARRIS PARK WE DID OUR OWN MITIGATION AND DAN BALANCED AROUND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR LED THE CHARGE INTERNALLY.

WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND TIME THAT GOES INTO THEM IF THEY CONTINUE MAKE SENSE THEY DON'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE TO US. YOU CAN TALK THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE OF IT. THE STAFF WILL TELL YOU WE ARE GLAD TO CONSIDER THAT. WE CAN DO.

IN THIS INSTANCE THIS IS A MEANS TO AN END.

YOU HAVE TO BUY THESE CREDITS OR WE CANNOT DISTURB IT OR IMPACT

IT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. >> DOES BROAD VIEW MITIGATION BANK PROVIDE ANY EXPERTISE OR HELP?

>> THE MITIGATION BANK IS ESTABLISHED AND THE INVESTMENTS TO GET THAT BANK ESTABLISHED HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE SO THEY'RE EITHER PRESERVING OR RESTORED WETLANDS OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CREDITS AVAILABLE TO SELL OUT OF THAT BANK SO THEY'VE ALREADY INVESTED THE MONEY. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS THROUGH THIS PROGRAM IS REPAYING THEM FOR THE INVESTMENT THEY'VE ALREADY MADE SO IT'S AGAIN PART OF THE PROGRAM BUT THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY. WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT.

THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS IS THIS IS THE [NAME] WATERSHED SO ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO INVEST IN WATERSHED IMPROVEMENTS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OFF SITE AND AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID WE PREFER TO SPEND THAT MONEY MORE LOCAL.

IT IS BEING SPENT IN THE SAME RIVER BASIN WATERSHED AS WE ARE.

SO THE IMPACT IS SPREAD OVER THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS

THE CORPS WOULD LOOK AT. >> SCOTT, HOW IS THE DECISION MADE WHAT MID-GONZAGA BANK WE BUY INTO?

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHO HAS CREDITS AVAILABLE AND THE TIMING WE NEED THEM SO WE PURCHASE FROM MULTIPLE BANKS OVER THE YEARS.

WE ARE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE BID THE MITIGATION BANK.

IT'S WHO'S GOT WHAT THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA AT THE TIME AND I'M NOT AWARE ANY OTHER BANKS OPEN IN THIS RIGHT NOW ALLISON.

>> SO THERE ARE PRIMARILY TWO BANKS.

ONE IS A STREAM MITIGATION BANKS AND MACLIN MORE THAT USES WET LAND MITIGATION SO WE HAVE USED BOTH THOSE ON PROJECTS OVER THE

YEARS. >> FROM THIS MAP IT APPEARS THE FIELD AND THE PUBLIC LIBRARY ARE THE SAME PROXIMITY TO THE STREAM. ARE WE GOING ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO BUY CREDITS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE PUBLIC LIBRARY?

>> SO, THIS MITIGATION IS PRIMARILY LOOKING AT THE MAP THERE'S A LINE ALMOST IN THE CENTER OF THE FIELD WILL THAT'S WHERE THE MITIGATION IS PRIMARILY FOR THE FIELD.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE HAD A MORE ENGINEERING VERSION THAT SHOWED THE EXACT AREAS AND WE SWITCHED TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE DIAGRAMATIC FOR YOU.

>> THE MITIGATION BANK PROPERTY IS PUT INTO A PERMANENT NENT EASEMENT THAT CAN NEVER BE TOUCHED AGAIN, ESSENTIALLY BY A DEVELOPER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT SO BUY MITIGATION BANKS YOU'RE BUYING CREDITS TO RESTORE CREEKS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

[00:40:10]

THAT'S WHY I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> YOU'RE BETTERING ANOTHER BANK OR CREEK SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> AND ALSO, TO CREATE YOUR OWN MITIGATION BANKS TAKES A MATTER OF YEARS. IT'S NOT AN OVERNIGHT DEAL SO EVEN IF YOU SIGNAL TO ME MOVING FORWARD YOU WANT THE CITY TO LOOK AT THAT WE ARE GLAD TO DO THAT BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN KEEP PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD F. WE CREATE THEM IT WILL TAKE A WHILE TO GET THEM FOR CREDIT PURPOSES.

>> IT'S VERY COSTLY. >> THE COST BENEFIT DOESN'T WORK AS IT DID ONCE. WE USE ITS --

>> IS IT COST-EFFECTIVE FOR THE PLAYING FIELD? I MEAN, THE COST OF JUST THE MID-GONZAGA AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIELD IS, THAT STILL WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE TYPICALLY PAY TO HAVE MULTI-FIELDS CONSTRUCTED?

>> SO, THESE WILL BE OPEN PLAY FIELDS BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING CONSTRUCTED TO THE LEVEL OF THE FIELDS AT LAKE WILMORE IN TERMS WE ARE NOT PUTTING DOWN AN ARTIFICIAL TURF SURFACE FOR MULTI-SPORT PLACES FOR SMALL PRACTICES AND CHILDREN THAT ARE UTILIZING OR ADULTS UTILIZING THE BOYKIN COMMUNITY CENTER.

IT'S JUST PROVIDING BIGGER SPACE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WHY WE ARE MOBILIZED FOR EARTH MOVING IT IS MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO GRADE ALL AT ONCE THAN COME IN WITH SMALLER PACKAGES. SO WE WILL GET ECONOMY OF SCALE DOING ALL THE MASS GRADING OUT HERE.

WE ARE ALSO GRADING FOR GYMNASIUM THAT WE ARE NOT BUILDING TO A SUBGRADE. SO, THAT JIM NAIZ YUM WILL COME IN A FUTURE PHASE BUT THE GRADING PACKAGE WILL BE ONE BIG PACKAGE THAT WILL SAVE US MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.

>> IF I CAN ADD, TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER SHE MAY HAVE MORE CLARIFICATION AND SHE'S ALREADY ALLUDED TO THIS IS THERE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SOIL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN OFF THE SITE IN ORDER TO GET THESE GRA

GRADES? >> THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED A HAUL IN AND HAUL OUT IN A CON TRANGT, AND THEY ARE CRAZY EXPENSIVE SO WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP THINGS ON SITE AND

BALANCE DIRT. >> ANYONE ELSE.

[8.c.7. Impact Recovery Systems. Purchase Traffic Separator devices for Cox Road. $25,001.27. ]

ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

>> ITEM 8-C-7 [READING]. >> VOTE TO PROVE.

SECOND. >> MISS TAYLOR.

>> OKAY. QUESTION ABOUT THE MAP OF THESE SEPARATORS. SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND I SEE THAT OUR BUCKET BOULEVARD AND YOU MAKE THAT LEFT TURN AND THE SEPARATOR IS GOING TO START MIDWAY ALMOST TO WHEN YOU GET OFF THE INTERSTATE. I'M GOING TO ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS TOGETHER. SO IT GOES UP TO ROAD 12 NOW WHICH IS A GOOD DISTANCE. NOW IF A CAR WANTS TO TURN AROUND, ONCE THEY PASS THESE SEPARATORS, AND GO BACK TO BUCKINGS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE AS TO WHERE DOES LEE ROAD 12 START AND MAKING A TURN, DO THEY GO BACK AND WHICH

DIRECTION? >> SO WHEN YOU'RE COME FROM THE INTERSTATE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU COME FROM THE INTERSTATE TOWARD BUCKY'S THERE IS WHAT WE CALL IN A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

THE VISITORS TO BUCKY'S ARE DOING A GREAT JOB OF BUCKY'S BUT NOT DOING A GREAT JOB OF LEAVING BUCKY'S.

INSTEAD ARE TURNING LEFT THEY GO TO THE RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE AND GET OUT INTO TRAFFIC AND SOMETIMES FLIP A U-TURN BLOCK

[00:45:01]

PEOPLE MAKING ILLEGAL LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE WE HAVE HAD A LOST NEAR MISSES AND COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA, SO THESE WILL STAND IN WHAT IS LIKE THE CENTER LANE AND LEE ROAD AND COX ROAD IS ONE AND THE SAME.

THREES WILL BE STOOD UP RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM MAKING ILLEGAL U-TURNS AND OR LEFT TURNS THROUGH THERE SO THIS WILL FORCE THEM TO USE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR GO ELSE WHERE.

WHEN YOU ARE HEADED SOUTHBOUND FROM TOWN TOWARD BUCKY'S YOU NEED TO TURN LEFT AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT IS NOT THE LEFT TURN LOCATION AND PEOPLE DO THIS ON MOORE'S MILL ROAD AT HOME FARMLY ON THE PUBLIX. THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS TOO GREAT SO WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE.

SO THIS IS A GENTLE REMINDER CAL YOU CAN'T DO THAT IF WE PUT THEM UP. SOME PEOPLE WILL SOMETIME RUN THEM OVER BUT IT WILL DO MILD DAMAGE TO YOUR CAR.

>> ARE YOU GOOD, CONNIE? >> OKAY, THE MAP.

OH, OKAY. >> ALL IN FAVOR, OPPOSED.

[8.c.8. McMillan Pazdan Smith Architecture. Amended Professional Services Agreement. Boykin‐Donahue Campus Cultural Center Project. $27,992. ]

>> ITEM 8-C-8.

[READING]. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND? >> IT SAYS AMEND PROFESSIONAL AGREEMENT SO THAT MEANS PROFESSIONAL AGREEMENT IS

ALREADY IN PLACE. >> SO, SO YOU ALREADY APPROVED ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACT FOR THIS CULTURAL WHAT HAPPENED IS COST ESCALATION AND SCOPE CHANGES, MEANING THE NEED FOR CERTAIN SIZING OF CLASSROOMS RESTROOMS ET CETERA, CAUSED THE END CONSTRUCTION PRICE TO INCREASE AND THREES ARE PERCENTAGE CONTRACTS SO ULTIMATELY ARCHITECTURAL FEES ARE YOU'RE AUTHORIZING ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BE SPENT ON THIS ASSUMING THE BID COMES IN THIS AMOUNT FIFTH COMES IN LOWER IT ADJUSTS DOWN NOT UP BUT IF IT COMES IN HIGHER WE TALK AGAIN

WITH THE ARCHITECTS. >> SO, THIS IDEA OF CREATING THIS CULTURAL CENTER WAS BORN FROM A GENTLEMAN WHO LOVES IN OUR COMMUNITY LARRY DESHARE A, HE WAS A COACH WHEN I MET HIM AND CAME TO ME WITH THIS IDEA WHEN MOST OF US WERE ELECTED IN 2018 TO CREATE AROSE ENWALL ZOOL HOUSE, REFLECTING THE SCHOOLS THAT, I FORGET HIS FIRST NAME BUT MR. ROSEN WALL BUILT PRIMARILY IN RURAL AREAS IN SOUTH AND FOR UNDERSERVED AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHILDREN 150 YEARS AGO AND THE IDEA WAS TO CREATE THIS SCHOOL HOUSE AND USE IT AS A CENTER FOR EDUCATION, FOR RECOGNITION, FOR THERE COULD BE SOME HISTORICAL MUSEUM QUALITIES TO IT AS WELL, RECEPTION QUALITIES TO IT AS WELL AND I ASK CONNIE AND TOMMY AND WE MET WITH COACH DESHEER ONE DAY AND LISTENED TO HIS DECISION AND MR. BUSTIN WAS OUR CITY MANAGER AND WE WANTED TO BE GOING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT BUT I NEVER NOT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD THIS. I UNDERSTAND COMPARING BUILDINGS IS APPLES AND WATERMELONS. I'M GOING TO EQUATE IT TO LIKE A HABITAT HOME WHERE PEOPLE WERE SPEND TIME RESOURCES AND PARTICIPATE FOR BUILDING SOMETHING GR THE GREATER GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. I REALLY NEVER THOUGHT OR ENVISIONED WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF MONEY, SO

[00:50:01]

MR. CROUCH I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

CAN WE STOP AND TAKE A BREAK AND REEVALUATE THIS? CAN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? I'M PRESUMING, AND I APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECTS AND BRAGGED ON THE FIRM WE WERE USING FOR THIS AND CERTAINLY NO PROBLEMS THERE BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS MORE? MY VISION WAS NOT TO HAVE OVER A

MILLION DOLLARS SCHOOL HOUSE. >> CERTAINLY CAN, IF I MAY SUGGEST CONTRACTUALLY WE WERE OBLIGATED AT THIS STAGE.

MY GOAL AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WE CAN DO A BIG PRESENTATION ABOUT BOYKIN IN GENERAL BECAUSE IT'S HOT AND HEAVY IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, GIVE YOU FULL UPDATE, LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH COST ASSESSMENTS AND WHAT PLANS ARE AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME. WE WOULDN'T BE PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN I WOULD TELL YOU AS WE DISCUSS IN YOUR PACKET MEETING WE ARE DELAYED ON PUBLIC WORKS AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICE DUE TO MUCH NEEDED GENERATORS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES BEING INSTALLED WITH THOSE COMPLEXES. THEY'RE NEARING COMPLETION.

WE WILL BE SEVERAL MONTHS, THEY NEED TO BE ALMOST FINISHED MOVING BEFORE WE ADVERTISE TO BID SO WE'VE GOT TIME BUT I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU, GIVE THE COUNCIL INFORMATION AND GET DIRECTION SO THAT WE DON'T DO WORK TWICE SO RIGHT NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS. IT'S HARDER SIX MONTHS FROM NOW BUT WE ALWAYS CAN PIVOT AT THE COUNCIL'S REQUEST.

>> AND I WANT TO STAY I BELIEVE IN THE PROJECT, I BELIEVE IN THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY -- >> WE CAN GO BACK OVERTAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE SCORCH THESE THINGS THAT THIS ALSO INCLUDES A SPLASH PAD A LIBRARY. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE LIBRARY ONE. WE HAVE GOT TO ADJUST THAT DESIGN CONTRACT BECAUSE WE DOUBLED THE SIZE LAST SUMMER.

WE WENT WITH A SMALLER LIBRARY AND FOUNDER THE LARGER VERSION TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE. IT'S NOT COST THAT'S CREPT UP IN PRICE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ITEM IF

YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. >> THE CULTURAL CENTER IN STATED IN THIS IS OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WITHOUT SITE WORK.

>> CORRECT. >> AND THAT'S FOR A 1700 CUELLAR

FOOT. >> MR. CUMMINGS I THINK ADDED SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S ACTUALLY 1980.

>> IT'S 1900-2000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE BUILDING.

>> WE ARE LOOKING AT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS FOR 2,000 SQUARE

FEET. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> KEEP IN MIND DON'T COMPARE THERE TO RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT SO IT IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE PER SQUARE FOOT.

>> I WAS CONSIDERING TAXPAYERS. >> UNDERSTAND.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> SO JUST TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT RON IS ASKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO RELOOK AT THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE COST?

>> ABSOLUTELY. YES.

>> WHAT DID WE EXPECT AT FIRST IN I MEAN WHAT WAS THE EXPECTATION FROM THE BEGINNING, THE REASON WE WENT ON AND APPROVED THIS? I GUESS BEFORE IT WAS APPROVED, WAS THERE NOT A COST ASSOCIATED WITH ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT IT OR ANYTHING? I MEAN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS SO WE ARE GOING TO PULL IT BACK OFF BECAUSE OF THE MONEY BUT MAYBE THE MONEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FACTOR FROM THE BEGINNING.

>> MY VISION WAS ALWAYS THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN BUILDING THIS AND OFF SETTING THE COST.

I NEVER ENVISIONED WE WOULD HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO BUILD THE THING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY SO IT WOULD BE MUCH LESS ABSOLUTELY.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HALF OF THAT MAYBE.

>> OKAY, SO -- >> BUT THAT WAS IN 2018 AND I

KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. >> AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WAS YOUR VISION BUT DID ANYBODY JUST GO OUT AND TALK TO WHOEVER MAYBE WE WERE THINKING WOULD HELP WITH US THE KOFTD OF ANYTHING BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MADE A DECISION ON THE COST OF IT AND ACTUALLY APPROVED THESE? BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK, I'M GETTING SENSITIVE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT OUT THERE TO THE COMMUNITY. EVERYBODY IS EXCITED ABOUT IT.

SO IF WE DECIDE WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MULTI-CULTURAL CENTER?

>> I DIDN'T SUGGEST THAT AT ALL. I THOUGHT I WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE FACT I'M RESPONSIVE TO THE PROJECT WANT TO SEE TO IT FRUITION. I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER

[00:55:01]

THERE'S A LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO DO THIS THAN SPEND OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. CAN WE REALISTICLY COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT FUNCTIONS AND I'M USING THIS AS A LOOSELY AFFILIATED DESCRIPTION HABITAT HOME WHERE THERE ARE RESPONSE SOARS VOLUNTEERS AND PEOPLE THAT HELP PAINT THINGS AND INSTALL THINGS AND LIFT YOU WILL WALLS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF IS, THERE A WAY TO DO THAT CREATES A LOT OF ENERGY AND BUY IN FOR THE COMMUNITY SO IT BECOMES A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL PARTICIPATED IN HELPING DO THIS.

THAT WAS MY VISION IN THE BEGINNING.

>> SO, IF WE PULL IT DOES THAT DELAY?

>> MAYBE A LOT OF CHOICES FOR THE COUNCIL ON THIS WITH THE MAYOR IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING WE ALSO BUILD, WE BUILT HICKORY DICKRY PARK THIS WAY.

WE COULD BID THE SITE WORK AND STUB UTILITIES BUT IF DIFFERENT GROUPS ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN CONSTRUCTION EVEN IF CONSTRUCTION FIRMS WANTED TO DONATE TIME WE NEED TO DO THAT DIFFERENTLY WE CAN'T BID WITNESS ONE ONE CONTRACTOR AND EXPECTED THEM TO DONATE THERE WOULD BE A WAY THE COMMUNITY WOULD COME TOGETHER AND TAKE PIECES OF IT THE DESIGN WOULD REMAIN.

YOU WOULD FIGURE OUT WAYS TO BUILD IT DIFFERENTLY SO THAT IF GROUPS WANTED TO FUND THE CITY BOUGHT MATERIALS WE JUST HAVE TO GO ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY. THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE IF YOU DECIDE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTS TO PURSUE.

>> SO IF WE WERE TO GREEN LIGHT EVERYTHING TONIGHT AND SO GO AS FAST AS WE CAN GO WHEN WOULD BE THE EARLIEST THIS COULD START?

>> WE CAN'T START ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET GENERATORS IN AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND PUCK WORKS AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT

A GOOD TIME FRAME ON THAT. >> 3 MONTHS, 4 MONTHS, 5 MONTHS

ON THAT? >> AT ATHLETES 2 AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THINGS BEFORE IT IS OUR CONTRACTORS WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE MANUFACTURERS, NOT THE CONTRACTORS DOING BUT WE ARE IN A SUPPLY CHAIN SITUATION BECAUSE OF STORM RESPONSE BY WE CAN'T HAVE THEM IN A FACILITY WITH NO ELECTRICITY SO WE ARE STUCK UNTIL THOSE GENERATORS COME IN.

WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL TERN WAYS TO DO THIS OR RENT THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THINGS BUT IT WILL TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO GET THEM MOVED ONCE THE MOVE IS UNDERWAY AND WE ARE ALL COMFORTABLE WE WILL BID THIS BUT YOU GUYS HAVE THE NEXT COUPLE

MONTHS TO MAKE THE DECISIONS. >> WE CAN HAVE A MEETING ABOUT

THIS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WHILE WE ARE WORKSHOPING THAT WILL GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION AND CHANCE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WE WILL BE

PREPARED TO DO THAT. >> IS IT TIME SENSITIVE THIS 8-C-8 THAT WE VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT?

>> YES. THAT WE OWE THEM THIS MONEY REGARD LE CONTRACTUALLY WE ARE ADDING TO IT AND NEED TO GET

YOUR AUTHORIZATION. >> ADDING SCOPE AS WELL AS

CONSTRUCTION COSTS. >> YES.

>> THE ADDED SCOPE CAN YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT THE ADDED SCOPE

IS? >> YOU WANT TO TAKE?

>> YES, SO AS PART OF THE DESIGN WE HAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE BUILDING LAY OUT RESTROOMS KITCHEN AREAS THE CONFIGURATION OF THE CLASSROOMS SO THOSE ARE CHANGES THAT THE ARCHITECT HAS

ALSO MADE. >> WHY?

>> BECAUSE THOSE ARE JUST DECISIONS WE HAVE MADE

INTERNALLY. >> NOT MORE DETAIL.

>> THOSE ARE DESIGN IT RELATIONS INTERNLTLY.

>> THOSE KIND OF THINGS HAPPEN OVER TIME AS YOU LOOK AT PROJECT AND WE LOOKED AT POSSIBLY EXPANDING THIS AND PROVIDING MORE SERVICE TO THIS AREA AND ARCHITECT HAD TIME AND LOOKED AT THE COST OF ADDING A KITSCH NET IN THERE AND WE REALIZED THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE NEED SO THEY SPENT TIME AND MATERIALS TO GET US THAT PLAY OUT IN THOSE COSTS FOR THAT.

WE DECIDED TO PULL SOME OF THINGS BACK TO GET THE COST BACK

DOWN. >> IT'S NOT UNCOMMON WE LOOK AT OPTIONS TO DELIVER THE MOST FLEXIBILITY IN ONE OF THOSE BIG THINGS IN THE KITCHEN. THIS WENT BACK TO NOT DOING A FULL KITCHEN. IT BECOMES IN A BUILDING FACILITY THE SAME THING THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT DO WE BUILD IT FOR LIMITED USE, DO WE BUILD IT FOR MAXIMUM USE AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS BUT ALSO COSTES CLAIGSZ WE OWE THEM A PERCENTAGE REGARDLESS OF CHANGE IN SCOPE BUT WE DO OWE THEM A SMALLER AMOUNT. NOW IF WE DON'T FULLY PAY THEM EVERYTHING SO IF IT BIDS LESS AND YOU CHANGE AND WE DON'T BID THIS WE STILL HAVE TO DETERMINE A VALUE IN WHICH THEY'RE STILL

[01:00:05]

OWED THE MONEY. >> THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE MAY RECOUP SOME THIS IN THE CONSTRUCTION?

>> AT ALREADY BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE ALREADY ELIMINATED SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE ASKED THEM TO

EXAMINE. >> SO WE DIDN'T REDUCE COSTS.

>> SO IT WOULD REDUCE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

THEY HAD TO DESIGN SOMETHING TWICE.

>> IT DID REDUCE. >> YES BECAUSE WE TOOK A FULL KITCHEN OFF FOR WARMING KITCHEN MEANING WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH MECHANICAL AND WE WERE LOOKING BACK TO THE FACILITY.

SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION ON THAT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

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OPPOSED. >> [READING].

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> MOTION TO SECOND.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALREADY. IN FAVOR AYE.

[8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA.]

OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

MOTION TO PROVE THE BALL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> SO MOVED. >> MOTION SECOND ALL IN FAVOR

[9.a. Traffic control signs and devices. Woodland Pines Elementary School. Establish "School Speed Limit Sign Assemblies." Unanimous consent necessary.]

AYE. OPPOSED.

CONSENT AGENDA IS PROVED. ORDINANCES.

>> 9-A [READING] UNANIMOUS CONSENT NECESSARY.

>> I INTRODUCE ORDINANCES. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH VOTE ON THIS? SEEING NONE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> I NOTICED ON NORTH COLLEGE LOOKS LIKE WE UPDATED OR SCHOOL SIGNS WITH WITH THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AND THERE SEEM TO BE A LITTLE MORE IMPACTFUL IN THE WAY THEY PRESENT TO DRIVES.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, ALLISON.

HAVE YOU GOT THAT? >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, LNDSI -- LINDSEY, ROLL CALL.

[9.b. Amend City Code. Article VI, Section 3‐70. Add Manufacturer as a license type category and set the annual Manufacturer license fee to $1,500. Unanimous consent necessary.]

[ROLL]. >> ITEM 9-B [READING]

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCES AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

SEEING HEARING NONE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO, THERE IS A NEW CATEGORY UNDER THIS OR NEW LICENSE TYPE UNDER THIS CATEGORY.

HOW DOES THIS IMPACT WHERE IT WOULD BE PERMITTED? I KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING ON TECHNICALLY ON A CAMP PUGS PROPERTY, BUT FOR THE REST OF THE CITY THIS TYPE OF LICENSE NOW IF WE APPROVE IT, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT WHERE IT'S

PERMITTED? >> FINANCE DEPARTMENT JUST GOT SOME NORTH AMERICAN DOES TRILLION CLASSIFICATION CODES

AND MR. POWERED. >> SO CURRENTLY OUR ZONING ORDINANCESES WE DON'T DESIGN A PRIORITY USE AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT THE THERE'S DESIRE TO DO.

IN THIS CASE UNIVERSITY PROPERTY ZONING WOULD APPLY IN THAT REGARD BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT.

>> WE ARE STILL EVALUATING SO IF IT'S NOT CALLED OUT, WHICH IT'S NOT, AND NEITHER IS WINERY OR DISTILLED SPIRITS.

IT WOULD FALL UNDER ALL OTHER IF WE COULD CATEGORIZE IT AS SUCH.

IT'S SOMETHING UNIQUE TO US AND WE ARE IN A SITUATION THIS IS A HOLDING DISTRICT RIGHT NOW AND I WOULD SUGGEST WE WILL ACTUALLY FURTHER ADDRESS THIS FROM A PLANNING SIDE AS WE TAKE A HARDER LOOK. BREWER LIST THEMSELVES THAT ARE DIFFERENT AND SOMETIMES FALL IN OTHER CATEGORIES WE CAN LIVE

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WITH, BUT A LICENSE CATEGORY DEFINED BY THE STATE AND ACTUALLY WHEN APPLYING FOR THIS, THE STATE ABC BOARD DECIDED THIS WAS A CATEGORY THE GROUP FALLS UNDERSTANDS AND COMING TO US SO NOT SOMETHING THE ZONING ORDINANCES COMPLETELY

CONTEMPLATED. >> THIS MANUFACTURING COVERAGE DIFFICULTIES TILRIES WINERIES AND BREWERYS?

>> IT DOES UNLESS THE APPLICANT CORRECTS ME BREWERY FOR SURE, ALCOHOLIC OR ALCOHOLIC DISTILLED SPIRITS DEFINITELY POSSIBLE, PART OF THE APPLICATION WINERY IS NOT.

CORRECT? >> THIS IS A TEACHING FACILITY, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A WHOLESALE MANUFACTURER OR

DISTRIBUTOR. >> WELL, MAY I SUGGEST TO YOU THERE'S A LICENSE AGENDA ITEM A LITTLE BIT LATER.

RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY THE MANUFACTURER LICENSE CATEGORY, WE ADOPTED WHEN WE ADOPTED THE CERTAIN THINGS IN OUR CITY CODE AND WE ACCEPT ALL ABC LICENSE CATEGORIES.

WHAT WE DIDN'T DO WAS SET THE FEES AND ACTUALLY INSERT IT INTO OUR BUSINESS LICENSING SIDE SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE BUT WE WILL ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ESTABLISH THE CATEGORY ON THE AGENDA ITEM ASKING FOR THIS TYPE OF LICENSE SO WE DON'T CONFUSE WHAT WE ARE DOING.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> WE ARE ADDING THE MANUFACTURERS AS THE LICENSE AND

THE FEE. >> YOU'RE ADDING IT AS THE LICENSE TYPE AND $1500 FEE BUT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO IS SEEKING A LICENSE WE WILL GLADLY ANNISTON

THAT AGENDA ITEM. >> GOODS INSTRUCTION.

ANYONE ELSE. LINDSEY ROLL CALL.

[10.a. Alcohol beverage license. ABW Auburn, LLC d/b/a New Realm Brewing Company. 200 ‐ Manufacturer alcohol beverage license. 207 South College Street. ]

ALL RIGHT. HERE COMES UNDER ARE RESOLUTIO.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

I WILL LET YOU START WITH THAT MR. MOREMAN.

>> WELL, I GUESS THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT THAT IT'S NOT GOVERNED BY CITY ZONING IN THEIR CASE.

IT'S THE RAIN CENTER IN CASE THAT'S NOT CLEAR AND IT IS A TEACHING FACILITY INTO. THE RAIN CENTER IS A FACILITY IN TERMS OF THIS BEING NEW REALM BREWERY BEING A TEACHING FACILITY THEY WOULD NEED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THEY'RE RETAIL OPERATIONS IN THE FACILITY.

>> I'M NOT ANXIOUS ABOUT THEM GOING CRAZY HERE AND TAKING OVER OUR AS OUR MAIN INDUSTRY IN AUBURN SO I'M FOR IT.

>> AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A SPOT DECEMBER FADE FOR --

DESIGNATED FOR US. >> THE PRODUCTS BEING PRODUCED HERE ARE FOR STUDENTS TEACHING WHATEVER BUT WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO TAKE BEVERAGES OFF PREMISES LIKE SIX-PACKS.

>> THE LICENSE CATEGORY ALLOWS THAT.

ONLY THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THE ROOM IF THEY COULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE, WHOEVER WISHES TO ANSWER.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DREW [INDISTINCT] I'M GOING TO HEAD BREWER AND MANAGER OF THE FACILITY ITSELF.