[CALL TO ORDER]
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. >> IT'S TIME TO CALL THE AUGUST MEETING OF THE AUBURN PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER, AND WE WILL BEGIN BY HAVING THE SECRETARY CALL THE ROLL.
>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A QUORUM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. WISDOM IS ON HIS WAY AND PLEASE MAKE NOTE HE IS PRESENT.
BEFORE WE GO INTO THE BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, LET ME MAKE SOME COMMENTS. FIRST, LET ME WELCOME YOU, ARE YOU HEARING ME ALL RIGHT. WE WELCOME YOU HERE AND APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN WHAT IS TAKING PLACE IN THE PLANNING OF THE CITY OF AUBURN. WE HAVE TWO-WAYS TO COMMUNICATE FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS THE FIRST THING WE'LL DO AFTER I FINISH THIS, WHICH IS IF ANYONE IS HERE TO WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IS NOT RELATED TO AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON.
THAT IN ADDITION, MANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA CARRY DURING A PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR INDIVIDUALS TO COME AND EITHER ASK QUESTIONS OR TO MAKE COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AT THAT TIME, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO GET ALL OF THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT YOU MAY BRING UP. WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THAT TIME SUBDIVISIONS AND SEE IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, BASICALLY IT'S A TECHNICAL REVIEW. IF IT MEETS THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND FOLLOWS ALL THE REQUIREMENT AND CODES, THEN IT IS REVIEWED AND APPROVED. IF NOT, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO REMAND IT BACK TO SEE THAT IT IS MADE ACCORDING TO THOSE ORDINANCES. THE OTHER HAVE TO DO WITH ZONING ISSUES, AND THOSE ARE ADVISORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL, SO ANY ISSUE THAT IS HERE RELATED TO CONDITION OF USES OR TO ZONING CHANGES WILL GO FOLLOW IT WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE AND TAKE THE INPUT FROM YOU AS WELL AS THE ORDINANCES AND CASE LAW RELATED TO THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, BUT THEY WILL GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS POCKET.
SO YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM AT THAT TIME ALSO.
[CITIZENS’ COMMUNICATION ]
SO I'LL OPEN UP THE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION, AND IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY, I SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD, SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT PART OF THE BUSINESS. OH, IS THERE A QUESTION.I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. IF IT'S NOT RELATED TO AN ISSUE,
IS IT RELATED TO THE AGENDA? >> YES, SIR.
>> NO, WE'LL DO THAT LATER. YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK THEN. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT THE WAY THE SUN IS COMING IN WITH THE LIGHTS COMING
IN HERE, I CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING. >> OH, WE'RE FANCY.
>> HOW ABOUT THAT. MY WISH IS YOUR COMMAND, THANK
[OLD BUSINESS ]
YOU. SO WE'LL BEGIN THE NEXT PART OF OUR BUSINESS WITH OLD BUSINESS, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA, DO WE?>> WE DO NOT, MR. CHAIR. IF ANYONE IS IN ATTENDANCE IN REGARD TO SOME REQUESTS RELATED TO A PROJECT PHONE AS THE DISTRICT IN RICHLAND ROAD, THE DEVELOPER HAS PULLED THOSE REQUESTS FROM THIS MONTH'S MEETING.
THEY WERE NOT ON THIS AGENDA, AND THIS WILL BE RENOTICED AND HEARD IN THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, SO WE WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE WE TRIED TO NOTIFY THE HOME OWNERS AND THE INDIVIDUALS
IN ADVANCE, THANK YOU. >> SO THAT ITEM WILL NOT BE ON
[CONSENT AGENDA ]
THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONSENT[00:05:02]
AGENDA, WHICH TONIGHT, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS, AS WELL AS THE PACKET MEETING MINUTES AND THE REGULAR MEETING LAST MONTH.IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO MOVE TO PULL ANY OF THE ITEMS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO.
[4. Rezoning - Reeves Property - PUBLIC HEARING]
WE COME TO THE FIRST ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS.>> THIS REQUEST IS FOR A REZONING ON RURAL ACRES TO DISTRICT HOUSING. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1287 OVAL TREE ROAD, AND THERE IS EXISTING DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING AND LIMITED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING IN THE AREA, AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, EAST LAKE TO THE EAST AND OVAL TREE VILLAGE TO THE NORTH. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE IN LINE WITH THE EXIST NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE DDA ZONE PROMOTES RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF A LOW TO MODERATE DENSITY. IT DOES ALLOW FOUR UNITS AN ACRE FOR CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISIONS, FIVE AND A HALF UNITS FOR PERFORMANCE, WHICH WE FEEL IS IN LINE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION DESIGNATION, AS WELL AS, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, SO WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING. THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF A SUBSEQUENT PD AMENDMENT, BUT THIS IS FOR THE REZONING.
>> OKAY, SO WE'RE CONSIDERING THEN A REQUEST OF REZONING FROM RULE TO DEH, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION.
IT IS -- IS THERE ANYTHING FROM TO DEVELOPER THAT WISHES TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION TO US? WITH THAT, IF THERE IS NONE, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO ASK OR COMMENT RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR REZONING ISSUE, COME FORWARD, SIGN IN BEFORE OR AFTER YOU SPEAK, BUT WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS? Y YES.
>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MIKE SIMMONS, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF AUBURN. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL BOARD, THIS IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST JOB IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW THIS IS A ZONING REQUEST AND THERE'S A SUBSEQUENT REQUEST AND I WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING STAFF FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO RAISE QUESTIONS, MAYBE OBJECTIONS TO THIS, AND I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF MY THINKING. THIS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, MANY ON OVAL TREE ROAD AND ALTHOUGH CONSISTENT WITH THE LETTER OF THE LAW, IT'S IN ARGUMENT OF THE SPIRIT OF LAW.
THE PROPOSAL SAYS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND 60 UNITS, AND IF YOU DRIVE ON OVAL TREE ROAD, THERE ARE NONE.
YOU'RE MOVING THIS FROM A RURAL DESIGNATION TO A MULTI-UNIT PROPERTY. THAT'S QUITE A SHIFT, SO I'M GOING TO ARGUE AT FIRST THAT IS A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT KEEPING IN CHARACTER OR NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ANYONE THAT LIVES UP THERE, DRIVE OVAL TREE TO HAMILTON, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS OUT THERE. IT'S SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ALL UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE A BAD PROPERTY. WITH THE DENSITY OF IT, THE NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED HERE AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE DOCUMENTS AND THE NATURE OF WHERE THEY ARE IS SIMPLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLANNING STAFF HERE. FIVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS, FIRST, IS THE EXPANSION OF THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL BOUNDARIES AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS REPRESENTS AN EXPANSION A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
IT MOVES OUT TOWARDS OGLE TREE ROAD, AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT
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SPECIFICALLY LISTED HERE, BUT SEVERAL CITIZENS HAVE MENTIONED THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS HERE OR NOT TO TO DEVELOPERS IF THEY WISH TO DO THAT. SECONDLY, TRAFFIC INCREASES WITH THAT NUMBER. WE'RE STRUGGLING IN THAT AREA ANYWAY. THE TRAFFIC INCREASES -- YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, 50 OR 60 UNITS WITH MULTI-FAMILY, YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT, THAT INCREASES THE TRAFFIC.THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OLD GROWTH TREES AND A POND AND A WATERWAY THROUGH IT TO PUT THAT MUCH OF A DEVELOPMENT ON IT MEANS YOU WOULD COMPLETELY TAKE THAT AWAY.
I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW YOU WILL BUILD THAT WITHOUT REMOVING THE POND AND TREES AND THE WHOLE POINT OF CHANGING THE BASIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THERE SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS A COUPLE OF THINGS -- FIRST, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE OF THE DEVELOPERS, AND THERE COULD BE MORE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND GIVE US MORE EASE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND REQUEST THIS BE DELAYED A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION.
IT FEELS A LITTLE RUSHED, AND I DON'T THINK THINGS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE RUSHED. SECONDLY, I THINK THAT THE NEED FOR THIS HOUSING IS NOT CONSISTENT.
IF YOU GO UP THE ROAD WHERE THE PUBLIX AND THAT IS A BIG APARTMENT COMPLEX. WHETHER IT'S TOWNHOMES OR APARTMENTS, THE LARGE THING IS IT'S A LARGE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX, AND THAT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT AREA.
SO WITH THAT, I HAVEN'T TO CLOSE AND RESPECTIVELY REQUEST THIS BE TABLES FOR ANOTHER MEETING. THIS IS NOT A "DON'T BUILD ANYTHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD" KIND OF APPEAL, BUT LET'S MAYBE STEP BACK WITH MORE INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND A HAVE A CONVERSATION WHAT THIS MIGHT DO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE CHANGES THAT MAY MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? DID YOU SIGN IN, SIR? OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?
YES. >> HELLO, I AM TOM BINGHAM ON 1810 AND OUR PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
I WILL TRY NOT TO REITERATE THE SAME CONCERNS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, IF YOU SHOW YOUR HANDS, THAT IS A LOT OF THE CROWD HERE TONIGHT. I WAS NOMINATED TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THE REASONS OF WHY. I THINK IT'S A LOT OF THE DRAMATIC CHANGE, THAT I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE RULES FROM REGULATIONS, BUT TO GO FROM RURAL TO 50 UNITS ON 11 ACRES IS DRAMATIC. THAT IS A VERY BIG CHANGE.
THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AND SOLD AND CLOSED AND THEN NOW ASKING FOR THIS CHANGE. WE ALSO VERY MUCH AGREE THAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB, AND I KNOW YOU ALL HEAR ABOUT IT THAT PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS WHAT IS GOOD GROWTH, WHAT IS BAD GROWTH, AND OUR CITY MANAGER EXPLAINED WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SOME MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE.
BECAUSE IT'S ZONED A CERTAIN WAY, THE CITY CAN ONLY HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL OF WHAT SOMEBODY CAN DO ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ASKING TO DO SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO, AND TO DO IT, THEY HAVE TO GET A ZONING APPROVAL, SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO WHERE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A VERY HIGH DEGREE OF CONTROL OF WHAT WOULD BE THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT DENSITY, I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S A COMMUNITY EAST OF THE TOWNHOMES,
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IT'S A LITTLE UNFAIR BY SAYING WE CAN DO THIS BY EXTRAPOLATING SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET BUT LOOK AT THE DENSITY TO THE PROPERTIES AFFECTED AND ADJACENT TO IT.IF YOU LOOK THERE WILL BE A SITE PLAN, SOME OF THE MOST DENSE PARKS TO THAT ARE ADJACENT TO DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DENSITY, THAT IF YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WITH A VERY LOW DENSITY THAT YOU'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO SOMETHING WITH A VERY HIGH DENSITY, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST EXPANDING THE ALREADY EXISTING TOWNHOME COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, YOU'RE AFFECTING THAT PROPERTY ALREADY BEEN AFFECTED.
THE EAST LAKE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT, THAT ALL CAME IN AT ONE POINT WHERE PEOPLE PURCHASED PROPERTY, AND THEY DID THAT WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE. THE RURAL ROAD HAS NOT HAD MUCH IMPROVEMENT. IT WAS MEANT FOR A PURPOSE, AND NOW IT'S HAVING A CAPACITY THAN THAT WAS INITIALLY INTENDED.
IT'S GROWN A LOT AND WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.
PARK AND REC WILL BE BUILDING A PARK THERE WITH A NEED FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY BASKETBALL, SOCCER, ALL THE DIFFERENT SPORTS, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ALREADY CONSIDERABLY.
OUR COMMUNITY CHURCH HAS BEEN BUILT VERY CLOSE TO THIS ON HAMILTON HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, SO IN AN AFTERNOON OR EVENING WHERE THE CHURCH IS HAVING ACTIVITIES, YOU HAVE PARK AND REC ACTIVITIES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC.
ADDING 50 TOWNHOMES IS ADDING 50 MORE CARS TO THAT AND NOT TO MENTION THE HOMES IN SOCIETY HILL.
THE TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN FOR SAFETY NOT JUST FOR INCONVENIENCE. ANOTHER IMPORTANT NOTE IS WHEN SCHOOL BUSES COME THROUGH, THE EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES, THE SCHOOL BUSES CAN'T GO IN THERE. IN OTHER PROPERTIES NEAR THIS, THE CHILDREN STAND OUT ON OGLE TREE ROAD.
THERE'S A BIKE PATH WITH A NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS WITH TRAFFIC AND BIKES OVER THE YEARS, WE'RE ADDING TO THAT.
I FEAR FOR CHILDREN STANDING OUT ON THE ROAD WITH SCHOOL BUSES WITH ALL THE OTHER TRAFFIC, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD A HUNDRED MORE CONSIDERS OR MORE. THESE TOWNHOMES WILL LIKELY HAVE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES THAT A SCHOOL BUS AS PLANNED WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THESE KIDS WOULD HAVE TO STAND OUT ON THE ROAD, SO ON THE ROAD, YOU WOULD HAVE KIDS IN FRONT OF THIS COMMUNITY, KIDS IN FRONT OF EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES, ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING TO AND FROM SCHOOLS AND KIDS WILL HAVE TO CROSS THE STREETS, THAT'S A CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVEN'T HAD--
>> I FORGOT TO MENTION WE WOULD LIKE YOUR COMMENTS TO BE HELD TO
FIVE MINUTES. >> I WILL WIND IT UP.
THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AND SOLD KNOWING WHAT THE ZONING WAS. I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH.
I'M NOT AGAINST SOMETHING HAPPENING TO THIS PROPERTY.
I HAVE A CONCERN OF THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF THING.
OTHER TYPE OF GROWTH MIGHT BE COMPLETELY FINE, BUT I ALSO THING THE HOME OWNERS ADJACENT TO THIS, WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY, THIS WAS ZONED RURAL, BUT YOU KNOW THINGS CAN CHANGE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED, BUT SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE A REASONABLE RELIANCE THAT THE PROPERTY WOULDN'T MAKE A DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM RURAL TO WITH A POND AND TREES AND CLEAR-CUT 50 TOWNHOMES. THAT SEEMS QUITE A BIT OF A LEAP, AND I WILL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS THERE, AND I APPRECIATE
YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> CHAIR: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YES. .
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>> I WILL KEEP IT UNDER FIVE MINUTES, BUT I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THESE GENTLEMEN MAKE. I REPRESENT THE [INDISCERNABLE] 1729, GLENDALE CIRCLE, AND THE 220 RESIDENTS, I HAVE NOT HAD ONE PERSON CONTACT ME AND SAYS, HERE, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
NOW, I'VE HAD MANY WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME AND SAID, WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? WE HEARD RUMORS OF SECTION 8 HOUSING, THAT THERE WILL BE 80 UNITS THERE, SO I SAID HOLD ON AND WENT TO MAX AND SAID WHAT'S THE DEAL? THE DENSITY IS SO MUCH OUT OF CHARACTER THAT OGLE TREE CORRIDOR, AND IF IT WAS LIKE EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD CARE. THERE ARE 36 ON PROBABLY A LITTLE FOR THAN 10 ACRES, BUT IT'S TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, ET CETERA. WE HAVE 220 RESIDENTS, AND WE DO
VOTE. >> THE REZONING AND THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW IS ON THE AGENDA AT THE SAME NIGHT WHAT HE'S ASKING IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS FOREOF THE PROPERTY AND TO THE W WEST.
[INDISCERNABLE] ALL THOSE ARE DDH.
THE ITEM RIGHT NOW IS ZONING, AND IT'S OUT OF THE APPROPRIATE ZONE FOR THE AREA, BUT I KNOW WHAT THE CONCERN IS WHAT WILL BE LATER ON THE AGENDA, BUT THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD, OUR ONLY CONSIDERATION AT THIS MOMENT IS THE ZONING.
>> I WOULD SAY THE ZONING SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED.
>> CHAIR: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM. COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
>>. >> MY NAME IS PATRICIA EDWARDS, AND I HAVE A QUESTION. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHY DO THE RESIDENTS JUST GET LETTERS TODAY WHEN MOST OF THEM WERE GOING TO WORK TODAY? THE LETTERS WERE PLACED ON THEIR DOOR THIS MORNING. MOST OF THEM HAVE GONE TO WORK.
SO IS THIS THE ONLY MEETING THEY WILL HAVE?
>> THIS WILL ALSO GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD, BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS REGISTERED LETTERS TO THOSE WHO OWN PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS
PROPERTY. >> THOSE WERE SENT OUT SEVERAL
WEEKS AGO, YEAH. >> IT WAS THIS MORNING AFTER PEOPLE WENT TO WORK, SO I WAS WONDERING WHY IT WAS SENT OUT SO LATE? WAS THE PURPOSE OF IT?
>> WE SENT THEM OUT THE SAME TIME ACCORDING TO OUR PROCEDURES, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR ANYONE THAT RECEIVED IT LATE.
>> I FOUND THIS ON THE DOOR. >> THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN US.
>> CHAIR: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE POSTAL SERVICE.
THEY SEND THEM TO THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE CERTIFIED MAIL, IS THAT RIGHT BUT IT'S ALSO TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THE PEOPLE, FOR INSTANCE, ON MORGAN DRIVE, THEY SHOULD HAVE
RECEIVED ONE. >> THAT'S WHAT WE SENT, SO I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DID NOT RECEIVE THAT.
WE SENT THOSE OUT LAST WEEK. >> CHAIR: WELL, THE POSTAL
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SERVICE HAS BEEN QUITE UNRELIABLE FOR SOMETIME, BUT THE LAW REQUIRES US TO USE CERTIFIED MAIL.>> THIS IS ON 1940, BUT THEY ONLY GOT THEIRS ON THE DOOR
TODAY. >> CHAIR: SOMEONE PUT THAT ON THE DOOR. IT WASN'T THE CITY.
>> IT WASN'T THE CITY? THIS WAS THIS MORNING.
PEOPLE WENT TO WORK, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY IT WAS
HANDLED THAT WAY. >> I ASSURE YOU THERE'S NO INTENTION FOR THIS BOARD OR ITS STAFF TO TRY TO RUSH THINGS THROUGH WITHOUT PEOPLE KNOWING, FOLLOWING THE NOTIFICATION
PROCESS THAT IS SET BY LAW. >> THE RESIDENTS ON GOOSE HOLLOW
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. >> CHAIR: JUST PEOPLE ADJACENT.
>> THE TRAFFIC WILL AFFECT THEM TOO.
>> CHAIR: SO THE IDEA IS IF YOU DIDN'T GET NOTIFICATION FROM THE CITY IS BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER OR THE POSTAL SERVICE LET US DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT OUR INTENTIONS TO IGNORE OUR NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.
>> WE ALSO NOTIFY ALL THE INTERNAL RESIDENTS OF THE PDE TO
NOTIFY THEM OF THE MAIL. >> CHAIR: SO THE MORRIS PDD.
ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR.
>> I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO KNOW I'M JIM MCKIE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA BELT, AND I GOT TWO LETTERS. I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION.
A FEW YEARS AGO, WE WERE HERE FOR SIMILAR ISSUES RIGHT BEHIND US ON THE OGLETREE PROPERTY, AND I UNDERSTAND WITH ALL THAT IS SAID AND DONE IS IT WASN'T GOING TO BE A THROUGH STREET FROM MORRIS STREET TO OGLETREE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS STILL GOING TO BE THAT WAY, AND TWO, IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION WITH A PROPERTY ON OGLETREE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE ACRES OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY, IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT OR THIS IS DIFFERENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO DOWN OGLETREE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT HOUSES, AND I HAVE PROPERTY BEHIND ME THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. IF SOMEBODY SAYS I HAVE 10 ACRES, I WANT TO HAVE AN EXCEPTION, WOULD THIS BE THE SAME THING BECAUSE IT'S ON OGLETREE.
>> THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAY IS A "D" RESTRICTION SO THAT DOES NOT
RUN WITH OGLETREE LAND. >> SO IT COULDN'T BE AN EXCEPTION, AND ANOTHER QUESTION, I NOTICED IN THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS, THE MENTION OF GOLF CARTS WOULD BE USED TO CONNECT THIS PROPERTY TO MORRIS MILL AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CLUB AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT'S A WHOLE ISSUE BY ITSELF, GOLF CARTS. I KNOW THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE DISCUSSED TODAY, BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE NOW IN MORRIS MILL, AND I
WANT TO DISCUSS THAT A LOT MORE. >> CHAIR: GOLF CARTS IS AN ISSUE IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW.
>> YEAH. >> CHAIR: THAT'S ACTUALLY A
POLICE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. >> OKAY, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
I APPRECIATE IT. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU, MR. STEELE.
ANYONE ELSE? >> I'M LEANNE PRESLEY, AND LIVE ON 1703 FAIRWAY DRIVE, AND I REPRESENT MY MOTHER WHO IS 86 THAT LIVES IN 1776 EASTERN COUNTER, SO THIS WILL BE RIGHT BEHIND HER. I DO FEEL LIKE -- AND I'M GOING TO REPEAT WITH THE SHOW OF HANDS.
I LOVE THE COMMENT THAT I MADE, BECAUSE I SEE THE CHILDREN STANDING OUT, AND IF THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO LEND TO YOUNG FAM FAMILIES, THERE WILL BE MORE CHILDREN STANDING OUT. THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM SAFE.
I THINK FOR ME LIVING WHERE I LIVE, WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO TO DOWNTOWN AUBURN, WE CANNOT GO LEFT TO MORRIS MILL, MANY GO DOWN TO OGLETREE, SO NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO OGLETREE, WE SAID WE HAVE THE SPORTSPLEX, WE HAVE THE CHURCH, AND NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LEAVE OUR
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NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET ON MORRIS MILL AND GO ON OGLETREE TURNING LEFT, THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO RECONSIDER -- IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, AND LET'S JUST NOT ADD MORE TO IT, THANK Y>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE DENSITY IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND WHERE THE UNITS WOULD HAVE TO GO. TO GET THAT DENSITY OVER THE 11 ACRES, YOU CAN STILL FIT IT IN THERE, BUT YOU'RE PUSHING ALL OF THAT TOWARDS THE FENCE SIDE ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND EVEN IF MORRIS MILL IS A DEVELOPMENT, IT'S [INAUDIBLE] SO THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CONSISTENCY OF THIS EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHAT'S PLANNED DOESN'T EXIST.
THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, DENSITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND I THINK SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED, IF IT WAS SMALL LIKE THE EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES, THAT WOULD BE -- AND THAT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THE EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES, SO I ASK YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TIME DENSITIES AND HOW THEY MIX TOGETHER. IN READING THE PACKET THAT WAS SENT OUT IN THE ENGINEERING SECTION, THERE IS A SECTION THAT SAYS A SUB OUT TO THE NORTH, AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, AND THAT WE WILL TRY TO CONNECT GOOSE HOLLOW TO THE ROAD, SO THERE ARE ILLUSIONS TO THINGS FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER PIECE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT SO CAN THAT BE PURCHASED FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, AS WELL? IN ADDITION TO THE SCHOOL BUS AND KIDS, WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND IF YOU LIVE NEAR THAT AREA, IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE.
I THINK THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT.
IT'S OUR POLICY IN THE CITY TO TRY TO CREATE CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC FROM ONE PART OF THE OTHER, WITH ONE PART OF THE CITY OF AN AREA WITH ANOTHER WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ON THE MAIN ROAD.
THAT'S USUALLY GOOD PLANNING, SO THAT'S WHY ENGINEERING REMINDS US PERIODICALLY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE SUB-OUTS ARE THERE, BECAUSE IF THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH A SUB-OUT,
THERE COULD BE CONNECTIVITY. >> INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THE CARS -- [INDISCERNABLE] MY OTHER QUESTION IS AVAILABLE TO THE R
THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT AREA? >> IT'S NOT ON SEWER.
HAS THAT BEEN DENIED. >> CHAIR: WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THE
USE YET. >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE ASKING IN ADDITION TO THE TRAFFIC SAFETY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, SO JUST ADD THAT TO YOUR LIST.
>> CHAIR: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR.
>> I'LL SIGN IT AFTER. MY NAME IS REYNONALD SHIRE.
I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY SINCE 2018, BUT I WAS LATE TONIGHT, BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN GET OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU DO NOT NAVIGATE A LEFT TURN COMING OFF OF ROCK FENCE ON TO -- SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT.
ON FAIRWAY DRIVE, THERE ARE SEVERAL EGRESS AREAS SO ALL
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THESE CARS ARE FLOWING OUT, AND THEY PLUNKED DOWN A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD ON FAIRWAY DRIVE WITH THESE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, AND THAT IS NOW FUNNELING IN. THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS OUT, AND IT'S ALL ON ROCK FENCE, SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO OFTEN, WE DON'T GO TO THE LEFT OF ROCK FENCE BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKED.SO WE TAKE THE RIGHT ON ROCK FENCE AND GO TO OGLETREE TO THE LIGHTS. THE CHILDREN AT THAT TIME SCHOOL STOPS SAY A LOT OF THOSE THINGS COME INTO PLAY, AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT FUTURE PLANNING AND THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE OF IT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO EXTEND FAIRWAY DRIVE AND OGLETREE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S BEEN SHUT DOWN AND WON'T BE REOPENED. I THINK THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS IT POSSIBLE THE QUESTION BEFORE ALL OF YOU AND NOT TO HURT THE FINE DEVELOPER HERE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO LIMIT THE LAND SPACE TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING, SO THEY CAN BIG BEAUTIFUL MCMANSIONS 20 STORY TALL AND SELL THEM FOR $5 MILLION AND LIMIT THE CAPACITY OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO GO -- AND ACCORDING TO THAT, THERE'S ONLY ONE EGRESS ROUTE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AM I
>> THE PLAN IS TO HAVE A SUB-OUT.
>> AND THAT POINTS INTO FAIRWAY DRIVE POTENTIALLY.
SO SOME CONSIDERATION FOR BOARD. I'D LOVE TO COME UP WITH OTHER SUGGESTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A CONCERN FOR ALL THESE GREAT CITIZENS HERE, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHAIR: WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN. ASK THIS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR
THIS PROPERTY. >> CAN IT BE ZONED FOR A
SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT? >> DEH IS SINGLE-FAMILY, AND WHATEVER IS BUILT THERE HA WITH THE CHILDREN ON TOP OF ALL THE WORKERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE RUNNING AROUND IN THAT CONGESTED LITTLE AREA. ANY OF YOU GUYS LIVE OUT THERE.
>> YES. >> SO YOU KNOW TRYING TO GO
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ANYWHERE ON A SUNDAY MORNING IN THAT INTERSECTION ON MORRIS MILL AND OGLETREE, AND THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT MUCH BETTER.THE OTHER THING IS, ONE OF THE THINGS NOT HAVING A FAIRWAY EXTENDED TO OGLETREE IS NOW IT'S GOING TO TRIP A THING THAT NOW THE KIDS CAN WALK TO SCHOOL, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OGL OGLETREE. DOES THIS PARCEL CHANGING INTO THAT DENSE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD CAUSE THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
>> CAUSE WHAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN? >> THAT THE KIDS WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOLS, BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN A MILE AND A HALF, OR ARE YOU PLANNING ON BUSSING THE KIDS, BECAUSE YOU'LL NEED AT LEAST ONE MORE BUS DRIVER, TWO MORE CLASSROOMS, OKAY.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE FOLLOW ON COSTS IS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE AND DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS OF GOING FROM THE RURAL LAND USE THERE TO THIS HIGHER DENSITY LAND, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY. AND I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HANDLE ALL THESE EXTRA THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME DOWNSTREAM FROM PUTTING IN THAT MUCH HIGH DENSITY -- JUST FROM LOOKING AT THEIR SITE PLAN THAT THEY HAD IN THERE THING, SO I'LL WAIT WHEN WE GET UP TO THE SECOND THING, AND I'LL BRING UP PICTURES WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE I SAW IT IN D.C.
>> WE CIRCULATED THE PACKET TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, AND STAY
REVIEW EVERY ONE OF THEM. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> CHAIR: AND THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO BRING SOMETHING NEW RELATED TO THIS PROPOSAL? YES, MA'AM.
>> SO I LIVE ON 1790 STAPLES. I DON'T HAVE ADJACENT PROPERTY--
>> AND YOUR NAME IS? >> HUH? MY NAME IS PAM ASHBURN, BUT I JUST AM CURIOUS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE MOVED TO AUBURN BECAUSE OF THE GREAT PLANNING THAT HAS HAPPENED. A LOT OF WHAT YOU HAVE ALL DONE AND KEEPING THE COLLEGE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THE QUESTION IS YOU GUYS HAVE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS PLAN, SO I'M WONDERING, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT FOR CITY OF AUBURN TO GO AWAY FROM THE PLAN, BUT WHAT IS THE BENEFIT WHEN -- I MEAN THE PLANS ARE GREAT. WE ALL BOUGHT HERE BECAUSE OF THE PLAN. IS IT SOMEBODY PUT IN A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE PLAN, AND OR IS THERE A BIGGER PLAN THAT HELPS
THE CITY OF AUBURN? >> WE DO HAVE A PLAN, AND THIS ZONING DESIGNATION CONFORMS TO THAT PLAN.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> CHAIR: MEDIUM DENSITY
>> SO DO WE HAVE THAT PLAN, THERE'S A BIGGER PLAN?
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
>> SO THAT LITTLE PARCEL IS WHAT YA'LL CHANGED, I GUESS I DON'T
UNDERSTAND. >> THE PETITION DENIED IS TO
CHANGE THAT LITTLE PARCEL. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.
>> CHAIR: WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS A PLAN WITH A DESIGNATED LAND USE CATEGORIES RIGHT IN THAT AREA, AND THIS WAS, ON MEDIUM TO
LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY? >> YES, UNDER THE FUTURE
PRESERVATION NEIGHBORHOOD. >> CHAIR: E.
>> SO 50 IS MEDIUM? >> IT GOES BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE, NOT OVERALL UNITS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAD A LARGE PARCEL, YOU COULD PUT IN MORE UNITS WITH LOWER
TENSE CITY. >> SO 50 ON THIS PARCEL, IS THAT
LOW, MEDIUM OR MEDIUM-HIGH? >> THIS IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
THIS IS ALL REZONING. >> CHAIR: BUT THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION ALLOWS FOR UP TO FOUR AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE.
>> FIVE AND A HALF PER ACRE IN A PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION, WHICH THEY COULD DO AS A STAND ALONE, SINGLE-FAMILY, WHICH IS PRESENT IN SOME OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS OR WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS PART OF THE PDD AMENDMENT, AGAIN, IN SUBSEQUENT PRESENTATION WILL BE FOR A MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL, AGAIN, TALK MORE ABOUT THAT ONE.
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>> THE LAST THING -- TWO MINUTES.
LASTLY, THE OTHER THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER TOWNHOUSES THAT WE HAVE, SOME OF THOSE ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW.
I SAW ONE FOR RENT FOR 2950 A MONTH.
I'M NOT SURE WHO IS GOING TO BUY THOSE.
I REALLY WORRY ABOUT US OVERBUILDING IN THAT AREA.
HAVING TOWNHOMES, MY PARENTS AREN'T GOING TO MOVE HERE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE FLAT, AND THEY ALSO WANT A PARKING GARAGE TO PUT THEIR STUFF, AND MOST FAMILIES WANT LAND FOR THEIR DOG AND TRAMPOLINE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT CAN AFFORD 2950 A MONTH, AND THAT WAS FURNISHED, SO MAYBE UNFURNISHED AND 2500 A MONTH, BUT MY KIDS, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT. ARE WE SETTING THIS UP TO HAVE A
LOT OF EMPTY SPOTS. >> CHAIR: [INAUDIBLE]
. >> THE RESULT IS THE HOME OWNERS
HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. >> CHAIR: IF THIS IS A PROBLEM, THEN WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY DEAL WITH THAT -- WE HAVE ONLY DONE IT ONCE OR TWICE HAVE A MORATORIUM TO STUDY THE CAPACITY
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE TOWNHOUSES IN THE AUBURN UNIVERSITY CLUB HAVE NOT BEEN SELLING VERY QUICKLY, SO IF TO DEVELOPER IS OVERZEALOUS AND STARTS BUILDING THESE, AND THEY AREN'T SELLING, AND HE WANTS TO CHANGE IT UP, MY QUESTION IS THEY WILL START AT THAT TIME BACK WHERE IT ADJOINS ALL OF US, AND THEN HE SHIFTS PLAN. BUILDI [INAUDIBLE]
I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO BE LIVING IN THERE? WE HAVE A LOT OF TOWNHOMES THAT ARE SELLING THAT HAVE GARAGES AND THAT HAVE YARDS, AND I WOULD PREFER THAT TO BE THERE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVE, BUT I PREFER TO HAVE FAMILIES WITH A PARKING GARAGE AND YARDS
INSTEAD OF A PAD. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? >> YES, MA'AM.
>> AMY BINGHAM AT 1810, RAMER PLACE, AND I'M ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION AND THAT WAS WHEN THE COMMENT OF WHEN DETERMINING DENSITY, IS THAT OVER THE FULL 11 ACRES, OR IS IT OVER BUILDABLE ACRES, MEANING THERE ARE A FEW ACRES COVERED WITH POND AND WATERWAYS,
SO IS THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT? >> IT WOULD BE OVER THE FULL 11.2 ACRES, AND IN THIS CASE, THE SECOND PART OF THIS WITH THE PDD REQUEST, IT'S 38% OPEN SPACE, AS WELL, SO WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER A SINGLE-FAMILY OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHEN A REQUEST COMES FORWARD, WE LOOK AT THAT OVER THE ENTIRE ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
>> THAT WAS MY CONCERN, BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS VERY HIGH OVER THE ADJACENT HOME OWNERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO
BUILD ON THE PONDS. >> CHAIR: OKAY.
OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEAL WITH SOME DISCUSSION, AND ONE OF THE PRIMARY ITEMS POINTED OUT TO TRAFFIC SAFETY, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT OR MORE APPROPRIATELY WHEN WE GET TO THE USE, BUT WHAT IS OUR MAJOR STREET PLAN SAY REGARDING OGLETREE ROAD?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED FOR OGLETREE ROAD. OGLETREE ROAD IS A 45 POWER COLLECTOR AND MORRIS MILL IS A 45 MILE ARTERIAL, SO THE ARTERIAL COLLECTS MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE COLLECTOR.
>> BUT THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC STUDY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SO
THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD CHANGE? >> YES, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD, BUT AS PART OF THE REZONING IF THE PDD IS APPROVED, A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND I THINK IT'S CALLED SECTION A ON THE OVERALL TRAFFIC AND THE PATTERNS ON OGLETREE.
I THINK WE USE A MILE PART OF T DEVELOPMENT.
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>> THE CURRENT DENSITY FOR THE OVERALL PDD IS CURRENTLY 1.28
DWELLING UNIT MAKERS. >> AND LDD AND DDH, WHAT IS THE
DENSITY ALLOWED? >> DDH ALLOWS FIVE AND A HALF FOR PERFORMANCE AND LDD ALLOWS FIVE UNITS AN ACRE.
>> OKAY. AND REQUIRED OPEN SPACE FOR ANY
DEVELOPMENT IN THIS DDH IS? >> 30%.
>> CAN WE SEE THE MAP WITH THE ZONING IN IT? SO THAT IS SURROUNDED BY AND MORGAN HILLS FACED TO THE SOUTH
>> PHASE 2 IS 5.1, AND THEN T T
THE-- >> IS THE SPACE TO THE DDH AREA?
>> YES. >> AND THE PROPOSED DENSITY FOR THIS PROPERTY IS FOUR AND A HALF SO IT'S IN LINE WITH THE
SURROUNDING AREA. >> A LITTLE BIT LESS.
>> OKAY, WE GOT AHEAD OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE ZONING, AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE USE, SO RIGHT NOW, THE ISSUE BEFORE US IS THE REZONING FROM RURAL TO DDH.
IT APPEARS THAT DDH THAT ZONE MATCHES OUR LAND USE PLAN.
DDH AND LDD ARE TO THE SOUTH, NORTH AND WEST OF THIS -- SO WHAT FURTHER DISCUSSION DO YOU NEED, ANYONE PREPARED TO MAKE A
MOTION. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE R-00310.
>> CHAIR: WE SEND THIS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO. >> THE CITY COUNCIL IS SEPTEMBER
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19TH. >> CHAIR: OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS RELATED TO SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING
THIS REQUEST FOLLOWS THE REZONING FROM RURAL DDH, IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MORRIS MILL PDD AND MODIFY AREA "A" AND CREATE SECTION "L" FOR THE LDD. THE PROX MAP SHOWS THE COURAGE BOUNDARY OF THE MORRIS PDD ENCOMPASSES 300 ACRES IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF MORRIS MILL ROAD AND OGLETREE ROAD.
THE BASE ZONE IS SPLIT BETWEEN DDH AND LDD.
MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA. THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL ALONG MORRIS MILL ROAD AND THERE IS THE CVS SHOPPING CENTER AND NORTHEAST IS HAMILTON PLACE SHOPPING CENTER.
THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS WILL NEED TO BE AMENDED AS THE LAND AREA WILL INC INCREASE.
>> 1719 OGLETREE ROAD AND THE AMENDMENT WOULD ADD TWO ACRES IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER USE, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THAT AREA AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A 50-UNIT MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.
THERE IS SITE PLAN FOR AREA "A" AT 1719 OGLETREE ROAD, LOGAN IS CIRCLING THE TWO ACRES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THE
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AREA. THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER COMMERCIAL SPACE WOULD INCREASE APPROXIMATELY 28,000 SQUARE FEET TO TOLD AROUND 193,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AREA.THERE WAS AN INSTITUTIONAL USE AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY APPROVED FOR THIS AREA I BELIEVE BACK IN 2017, AND THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THIS AREA WOULD INCREASE FROM 138 TO 148 IN ORDER TO ALLOW 10 UNITS TO BE ON TOP OF THE ADDED COMMERCIAL SP SPACE.
THE PROPERTY WOULD TAKE ACCESS FROM OGLETREE ROAD AND ROCK FENCE ROAD. ARE THERE QUESTIONS ON THIS AMENDMENT? OKAY, NEXT IS AREA "L" SUBJECT TO THE REZONING FROM RULES DDH APPROXIMATELY 11 ACRES, AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSED 50 MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT A TOWNHOUSE STYLE PRODUCT, A CONDOMINIUM DIFFERENT FROM A TOWNHOUSE THAT IT'S ON ONE LOT. THERE IS A CURB LINE WITH EASTERN COURT ON OGLETREE ROAD, SO THAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT.
TWO STAFF COMMENTS OF NOTE, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES ARE THE WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMENT, THE WETLAND DELINEATION WILL BE REQUIRED AND THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS TO A SUB-OUT TO THE NORTH AND THE REQUIRED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, AND I RECEIVED A GREAT NUMBER OF CORRESPONDENTS BY E-MAIL AND PHONE. MOST OF THE CONCERNS INCLUDED TRAFFIC, DENSITY, INFRASTRUCTURE, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, IMPACTS ON SCHOOL, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF CITIZENS WHO WERE OPPOSED TO THE CONNECTION TO STENSON DRIVE AND GOOSE HOLLOW. STAFF DOES APPROVE THE PROPOSAL
TO THE AMENDMENT. >> CHAIR: DOES STAFF WANT TO ISSUE ANYTHING TO THIS AT THIS TIME?
>> I AM REPRESENTING CLEVELAND BROTHERS, THE DEVELOPERS WHO PRETTY MUCH DEVELOPED EVERYTHING IN THE MOORES MILL PDD AND MOST OF THE THINGS ON THIS SIDE OF THE -- IS SET UP -- THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER WAY WHAT TO CALL WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OTHER THAN MULTI-UNIT, BUT IT WILL BE A TOWNHOME TYPE PRODUCT WITH GARAGES AND YARDS, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THESE NEIGHBORS ARE USED TO SEEING ALONG ROCK FENCE ROAD, SO THE UNIT SIZES, 2600 TO 3000 SQUARE FEET, PRICE POINTS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN THE 650 TO $900,000 RANGE.
YOU KNOW, THE GOOD THING FOR DENSITY FOR EAST LAKE, YOU MENTIONED AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING DENSITY OF FOUR AND A HALF AND WE MENTIONED THE EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES ARE AT FOUR AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE AND THE MOORES MILL SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH IS AT 5.1 UNITS PER ACRE, SO OUR DENSITY IS FAR LESS THAN SOME ABUTTING NEIGHBORS. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, IS EMPTY NESTERS, RETIREES, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DOWNSIZE AND NOT MAINTAIN THEIR YARD. THE TARGET IS NOT FAMILIES OR SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN BUT THE OLDER RETIREES SO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ADJACENT AMENITIES IN THE CLUB AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED THERE OVER TIME.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO FAIRWAY AND FAIRWAY DRIVE BEING CONNECTED, THERE'S NO CONNECTION THROUGH HERE. THERE'S NO CONTEMPLATION OF THAT THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN IN THIS PDD AMENDMENT FOR THAT.
THROUGH THIS RESIDENTIAL SPACE, THE ONLY ACCESS POINT IS ON
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OGLETREE. STREETS LIKE THIS WITH THIS CLASSIFICATION WILL REQUIRE A WIDENING TO ACCOMMODATE TURN LANES, SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST AND TRY TO CUT OFF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PREVIOUS REZONING. IN REGARD TO NOTHING LIKE THIS ALONG OGLETREE ROAD, ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE TOWNHOMES AT EAST LAKE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT DENSITY AND THE SEWER SEPTIC, IT WAS EXTENDED THROUGH THE SITE UP THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT TO SERVE OGLETREE VILLAGE.THE SEWER FROM OGLETREE VILLAGE DRAINS THROUGH THIS AND GOES THROUGH MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT WAS DONE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, SO SEWER IS DIRECTLY AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME SITE.
IN REGARDS TO THE ASSISTED LIVING, IT WAS APPROVED IN 2014 ORIGINALLY AND AMENDED IN 2017 TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ASSISTING LIVING, SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PLAN AND HAS BEEN FOR SOMETIME. I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THAT COVERS IT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ADDRESS THEM FOR YOU.
>> CHAIR: ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC HEARING, AND IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISH TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR TO PROPOSE ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY DISCUSSED RELATED TO THIS PROPERTY.
YES. >> [INDISCERNABLE] STAPLES COURT. I DON'T HAVE A POINTER SO I'LL GET COUNSELORS HERE.
. >> SIR, CAN YOU SPEAK IN THE
MICROPHONE. >> SO TO DEVELOPERS SAY THESE WILL BE RELATIVELY SIMILAR TO THE LOTS WITH GARAGES AND YARD SPACE, AND THEN WE HEARD YOU SAY STAY ARE EMPTY NESTERS THAT DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN YARDS, SO THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE LOTS BUT VERY SMALL LOT LINE TYPE PLACES, AND I'M CONFUSED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN APARTMENT AND TOWNHOUSE, THEY SHARE
THESE ARE, AGAIN, TOWNHOME STYLE LOOKING MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT IS THE FAMILY OR TOWNHOUSE, THE DIFFERENCE IS IF THEY'RE FEE SIMPLE AND IF THEY OWN THE PROPERTY UNDER THE DIRT AND TYPICALLY A LITTLE BIT OF YARD DRIVEWAY, ET CETERA, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE HERE, SO IT'S N NOT -- IT'S A -- [INDISCERNABLE].
>> SO A NICE LOOKING APARTMENT? >> IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CONDO.
>> SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING THAT SHARES WALLS.
>> PER OUR CODE, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY.
>> AND FALL TURN PDD AND THE ACRONYMS YOU USE.
SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, THE BACK OF THE TOWNHOMES, WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT, HOW FAR WILL IT GO NO THE FENCES OF THE ADJACENT OWNERS, WHAT'S THAT DEPTH?
>> A 25 FOOT SETBACK SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.
THE SETBACK REQUIRED WILL BE ONE FOOT FOR EVERY FOOT OF THE
BUILDING. >> SO THAT EQUATES TO WHAT TO
THE BACK OF OUR FENCES? >> SO IF THE BUILDING IS 30
FEET, IT WOULD BE 25 FEET. >> THAT'S AWESOME.
AND THEN ACROSS THAT FENCE, IF YOU TAKE OUT THE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS ON THE NORTH SIDE BY ROCK FENCE, IT'S 1.7, AND YOU
SAID THIS IS 4.SOMETHING. >> DIFFERENT LAND
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USE -- [INAUDIBLE] .>> THE TOWNHOMES ACROSS THE STREET ARE--
>> THE 1.7 INCLUDES THE SHOPPING CENTER, ALL THE AMENITIES THAT ARE IN THERE.
. >> THE OVERALL DENSITY THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED FOR 361 ACRES WOULD BE 9, -- 9,111.
>> SO I'M LOOKING TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE RIGHT TO THE MOORES MILL DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU GUYS ARE TELLING THAT THAT THOSE ARE COMPATIBLE, THE SAME HOUSING UNITS, APARTMENTS ON ONE SIDE AND ACRE LOTS ON THE RIGHT?
>> THEY'RE THE SAME DENSITY. >> I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE THAT COMMENT.
THE OTHER COMMENT IS YOU TALKED ABOUT A STUB-OUT, WHAT'S THE
PLAN FOR THAT. >> THE LOCATION HASN'T BEEN
DETERMINED. >> TO PUT A STUB-OUT IN YOUR YARD, THAT IS A COMMENT THE CITY ENGINEER MADE AS WE REVIEWED THE PLAN, SO ULTIMATELY THE LOCATION OF THAT WILL BE DETERMINED FOR SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE FOR PERMITTING PROCESS.
AS OF NOW, THERE'S NO MEANS TO GO NORTH UNTIL SOMEONE ACQUIRES THAT PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION WOULD BE MADE.
>> YOU SAID THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 2600 TO 3,000 SQUARE
>> ANYONE ELSE. >> THANK YOU FOR INFORMATION.
IT'S HELPFUL TO ALAY SOME CONCERNS.
WE HAVE LAWYERS AND PLANNERS IN THE ROOM, YOU CAN TELL BY THE WORDS, AND DENSITY IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE.
>> SIR, YOUR NAME. >> MIKE SIMMONS.
SURE, NO PROBLEM. EYEBALLS TELL THE STORY.
LOOK AT THE LOTS, LOOK AT THE STREET, LOOK AT THE LAND AROUND, SO WHILE YOU'RE TECHNICALLY IN THE ZONE AND PARAMETERS OF THE PDD, LDD, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YOU HAVE THAT ABSOLUTELY NAILED DOWN CORRECTLY. VISUALLY, IT'S NOT THE NAME, AND IT'S NOT THE SAME AS EAST LAKE, THAT HAS A BERM WITH A 60 FOOT SETBACK AND SURROUNDED BY [INDISCERNABLE] AND THIS PUSHES UP AGAINST -- OKAY, PUSHES UP AGAINST OGLETREE IN THE LOT, SO IT'S NOT THE SAME EVEN THOUGH THE DENSITIES AND RULES MATCH, SO WE'RE PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF A WORD GAME HERE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF LEGAL, BECAUSE CLEARLY WE'RE WITHIN THE RULES HERE, AND YOU HAVE CREATED A PROPERTY THAT WILL FALL WITHIN THE RULES, BUT FOR THE OTHER REASONS THAT WE'VE MENTIONED, IT DOESN'T FALL INTO THE SPIRIT.
SO IT MAY BE THE LETTER OF THE LAW, BUT IT'S CLEARLY NOT IN THE
SPIRIT OR LETTER OF THE LAW. >> THANK YOU.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS COMPAT COMPATIBILITY.
>> TOM BINGHAM SPEAKING AGAIN. THERE WILL BE CHILDREN LIVING HERE AND LIVING IN THE EAST LAKE TOWNHOMES.
IF THEY WANTED IT TO BE A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, THE LAW ALLOWS FOR THAT. TO DEVELOPER WENT TO A LOT OF TROUBLE TO MAKE IT A 55 COMMUNITY.
THIS WILL HAVE CHILDREN, AND THE BUS WILL NOT COME DOWN.
AND THERE WILL BE CHILDREN IN EAST LAKE CROSSING OVER, AND AN ACCIDENT WILL HAPPEN, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PREVENT THAT. OGLETREE ROAD IS A MENACE ISLAR PROBLEM, AND THIS IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO.
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WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW, JUST SAY THE ZONING IS NOT APPROPRIATE, AND YOU ALREADY PASSED ON THAT AND ONLY SO MUCH OF THIS IS BUILDABLE. THERE ARE TWO PONDS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A VERY LONG TIME THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BE GONE, AND WE'RE GOING TO PAVE OVER IT AND PUT STUFF TO THE ABSOLUTE EXTREME OF IT, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS NOT BUILDABLE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STRAP IN BAD DECISION AFTER BAD DECISION AND OGLETREE ROAD IS A PROBLEM NOW, AND IT WILL GET WORSE AND CONTINUE TO GET WORSE UNTIL WE SAY, MAYBE THIS ISN'T APPROPRIATE. IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN TO BE STANDING ON OGLETREE ROAD ROAD ADDING M MORE -- IT WON'T MAKE THE TRAFFIC GO SLOWER.WE'RE ALREADY ADDING A NEW PARK AND REC FACILITY.
WE ALREADY ADDED A LOT OF WONDERFUL THINGS, AND I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH OR DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, BUT THIS HUMBERTO OF WHETHER IT MEETS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHETHER IT MEETS THE LETTER OF SOMETHING IS COMPLETELY NOT APPROPRIATE.
THE POINT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO USE YOUR OWN JUDGMENT AND SAY, NO, THIS IS GOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SIDE.
ALL THESE PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN UP TONIGHT IF THIS WASN'T A HIGHLY OFFENSIVE PROJECT, AND IT'S IN YOUR PURVIEW AND YOUR POWER TO SAY, NO -- THE DENSITY HERE IS ALREADY BAD.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD TO COME BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
THEY WANTED TO PUT 62 AND NOW THEY'RE AT 50, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH PROGRESS, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH PROGRESS.
IT ADMITS ON ITS FACE THAT IT WAS ALREADY HIGHLY OFFENSIVE.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT HAVE CHILDREN STAND ON OGLETREE ROAD.
>> CHAIR: ANYONE ELSE? >> I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE PICTURES OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
>> YOU CAN PROVIDE THEM HERE, AND I'LL PASS THEM AROUND.
DO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES, SIR?
>> THOSE ARE 2200 TO 2800 SQUARE FOOT CONDOS IDENTICAL TO THIS TYPE OF THING. THEY LOOK TERRIBLE AND END UP
WITH A LOT LINE-- >> SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS?
>> MICHAEL MOFFA. I'VE BEEN UP HERE BEFORE.
>> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S THE THING.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THIS PLACE TO START LOOKING LIKE THE EAST COAST, RIGHT. I ESCAPED THE EAST COAST AND CHICAGO TO COME HERE BECAUSE OF AUBURN.
THAT'S NOT AUBURN, OKAY, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO THAT WAY, BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER GUY TRY TO DO THE SAME THING.
OH, YOU DID IT HERE, AND YOU CAN DO IT HERE AND THERE.
THAT GIVES YOU THE HIGH PROFIT, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, THE HOUSES ARE BUILT NOT VERY WELL, AND THERE'S BIG MONEY AND A LOT OF INCENTIVE TO DO IT.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN. I USED TO LIVE IN GLENVIEW, ILLINOIS, '92 WHEN WE MOVED IN, THERE WAS 90,000 PEOPLE IN THAT TOWN, AND WHEN WE MOVED OUT IN '04, THERE WAS 65,000.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THERE, BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO PUT IN EXTRA STREETS JUST TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, AND THE FIRST KID THAT GETS HIT ON OGLETREE ROAD STANDING AT A BUS STOP, OKAY, IS GOING TO WEIGH VERY HEAVILY ON YOUR HEARTS, OKAY.
COMING FROM PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, I DESIGNED BUSES, I'VE DESIGNED THINGS FOR SCHOOL BUSES, OKAY, AND ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE FOR A KID TO BE IS WAITING FOR A SCHOOL BUS. 800 KIDS A YEAR ARE KILLED AT SCHOOL BUSES. ONLY 20 ARE KILLED INSIDE THE BUS IN BUS ACCIDENTS PER YEAR ON AVERAGE, BUT 800 DIE ON THE SCHOOL BUS. IT'S STILL THE SAFEST WAY TO GET TO SCHOOL, BUT STANDING OUT ON OGLETREE, IT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. YOU'LL MAKE IT WORSE WITH THE KIDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU'LL ADD A BUNCH OF KIDS THAT SIDE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A STOP, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO OCCUR. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THAT
BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS. >> CHAIR: OKAY, THANK YOU.
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YES, SIR. >> I BELIEVE 30 POUNDS I WAS IN THE ARMY AND RUN UP AND DOWN OGLETREE AND GET RUN DOWN ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SIDEWALK GOING.
IT'S A HIGH SPEED APPROACH, EVEN IF IT'S 45, BUT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS, ME INCLUDED HAVE KIND OF EXCEEDED THAT LIMIT WHEN LATE FOR WORK. I WANT TO ASK THE COMMITTEE IS IT WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THOSE TYPES
NAME AND ADDRESS. >> RONALDSHIRE, FAIRWAY DRIVE.
>> IF IT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW THAT THERE ARE STIPULATIONS MADE TO DO THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS DONE BEFORE APPROVAL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF IT TAINTS THE APPROVAL STATUS. I MEAN IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY CAN BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME, AND SECONDLY, IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS UPON THIS PROJECT BEING APPROVED, HAVING WIDER SIDEWALKS, HAVING A BUS STOP OVERHEAD FOR CHILDREN TO STAND UNDER SO THEY'RE IN ONE PLACE AND NOT RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD TO DO AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC LIGHT, THERE BE STIPULATIONS UPON TO DEVELOPER IF YOU WANT TO DO -- OR IT WILL BE OLD FOLKS LIKE ME LIVING THERE, WELL, MAKE IT A 55 OR OLDER COMMUNITY.
CAN WE DO CONSIDERATIONS LIKE THAT GOING DOWN THIS PROCESS, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT AS A BOARD.
THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: YES, MA'AM.
YEAH, YOU MA'AM. >> SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
>> OKAY. I'M AGREEING WITH THEM AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IN OGLETREE, BECAUSE MY KIDS, I'LL BE OVER THERE WITH THEM AND THEY SAY BUSES WITH A STOP SIGN, AND IT'S DANGEROUS, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THIS QUITE A FEW TIMES WHEN I'M GETTING MY GRANDKIDS THAT THE BUS ALREADY STOPPED, NOT PUTTING ON BRAKES WITH THE RED LIGHT, THIS STOP SIGN IS OUT, AND THEY SHOOT BY LIKE IT'S NOTHING. THAT'S ALL.
>> PAT STEWART, AND I LIVE ON ALTIMA.
I HAVE A QUESTION, IF WE DO THE SMD, AND THERE'S MORE EXITS NEEDED -- STUDY, AND THERE'S MORE EXITS NEEDED, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOW THAT WOULD TASK LOTS THAT ABUTT THIS PROPERTY? IF THEY SAY A ROAD IS NEEDED THROUGH THERE, WHAT HAPPENS?
>> THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE TRAFFIC ON OGLETREE ROAD AND MOORES MILL, BUT THE NEGOTIATIONS ON WHERE THE ACCESS POINT OF THE NORTH STUB-OUT WILL BE WILL TAKE PLACE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND CITY
STAFF? >> I THINK HER QUESTION IS IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY DEEMS THE ONE ACCESS INSUFFICIENT, AND THEY NEED ANOTHER ONE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WHAT'S THE MOST LIKELY PLACE FOR ADDITIONAL?
>> THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DETERMINED ONCE THEED THE IS DONE. WE HAVE CURB CUT REQUIREMENTS, SO IF THE IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ARE MORE THAN THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HANDLE, THE SIZE OR THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT MAY HAVE TO BE REDUCED, AND THAT'S SOMETHING ONCE THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY ARE RETURNED.
>> SO THIS STUDY IS BEFORE IT'S BUILT?
>> YES, MA'AM, YES, MA'AM. SO WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SENDS THE RENTAL HOUSING COMMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION TO APPROVE OR DIDN'T IT AND THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY CAN'T DO ANY CONSTRUCTION UNTIL THEY'VE MET ALL THE
REQUIREMENTS. >> IF ANOTHER ROAD IS NEEDED, THE ONLY OPTION IS TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, IS THAT
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> THAT IS AN OPTION UNLESS THEY AMEND THE PDD OR ACQUIRE THAT OR DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE?
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>> WHERE WOULD THAT BEEN? >> I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S JUST AN OPTION. >> CAN WE SEE THE LAND SURROUNDING, WHAT LAND -- [INDISCERNABLE].
>> THAT WOULD BE ON THE DEVELOPER TO TRY TO FIND THAT OUT, AND OBVIOUSLY, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING REQUIRED, AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET IT, THE PROJECT COULD NOT MOVE FORWARD, AND THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO AMEND IT IN ORDER TO MEET OUR
REGULATION. >> AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND TO DEVELOP DO THAT IN CONCERT WITH THE CITY? THE DEVELOPER IS WORKING ON THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
>> THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIRING A TRAFFIC STUDY, SO IT'S NOT THEM PROVIDING SOMETHING SO US AND WE JUST
ANTICIPATE IT. >> CHAIR: TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IS A SCIENCE AND NOT LIKE WE SEE, IN OTHER WORDS, TO ME, I HAVE A TRAFFIC JAM IF I HAVE TO WAIT MORE THAN ONE CYCLE FOR A LIGHT TO CHANGE, BUT THEY LOOK IT IN A MORE SCIENTIFIC FACTOR.
>> BUT THE DEVELOPER CHOOSES THE ENGINEER?
>> YES, AND PAYS THEM. >> I DON'T MEAN TO BE SUCH A CYNIC, BUT TO PEOPLE, THAT SEEMS SELF-S SELF-SERVING -- ANYWAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS COMES BACK, AND MORE ROADS ARE NEEDED AND HOW WOULD IT AFFECT US THAT ARE BEHIND THIS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
>> CHAIR: THEY HAVE TO EITHER REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT OR CONFORM IN OTHER WAYS TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY REQUIREMENTS -- RECOMMENDATIONS. ANYONE ELSE?
YES, MA'AM. >> LAURA GRILL, ALTIMA ROAD.
I APPRECIATE THE JOB YOU DO. MY CONCERN IS I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, I'VE HEARD ELDERLY, 55 PLUS, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. THESE ARE MY COMMENTS, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, BUT YOU GOT ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS ON OGLETREE, SO MY QUESTION WHEN THIS ABUTTMENT -- BECAUSE THIS IS ALL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SOMEONE MENTIONED THE GOLF CARTS, WE ALL KNOW THEY'RE A PROBLEM EVERYWHERE, SO IF I'M PART OF MOORES MILL AND I'M AN EMPTY NESTER BUYING A 600 TO 900 HOME, AND I WANT TO GO TO THE CLUB AND EAT, OKAY, OR GO SWIMMING OR WHATEVER, I'M GOING TO TURN OUT ON OGLETREE IN MY GOLF CART AND RIDE DOWN OGLETREE, OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE GOLF PATHS CUT BACK HERE? AS WE SAID BEFORE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE CONNECTORS TO ALTIMONT, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, I'LL OPEN GOLF PATHS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A RACEWAY. WE HAVE NINE-YEAR-OLDS WITH GOLF CARTS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE THEM.
WE HAVE 60-YEAR-OLDS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW THE DRIVE THEM.
I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY HERE.
I DON'T THINK ENOUGH WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THIS. I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 31 FROM OAK KNOLL CIRCLE, AND THE FIRST DAY THERE WAS HUGE OPPOSITION TO THE FIRST GAS STATION THAT WENT ON THE CORNER OF OGLETREE AND MOORES MILL, AND YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, WE COMMITTED THE AGREE HAVE YOUS SIN, BUT WE ALL BOUGHT THE GALLON OF MILK ON THE WAY HOME, AND YOU LOOK WHAT IT'S BECOME NOW, AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING WAY, WAY, WAY AHEAD OF OURSELVES.
>> CHAIR: ANYONE ELSE? >> DOES ALABAMA HAVE WETLANDS
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MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS? >> YES, THEY DO.
THERE'S TWO PONDS CURRENTLY, AND ARE THEY CONSIDERED WETLANDS?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE STUDY ON THE SITE YET, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL VERIFY, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
>> CHAIR: STATE ENVIRONMENT AND EPA AND.
>> I'M IN DISBELIEF OF THE PROPOSAL HERE BUT ECHO A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I HAVE FOUR KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF 11, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS PUTTING 50 UNITS -- I GUESS WE'RE AT 50 UNITS AND HAVING KIDS STAND ON A 45-MILE-PER-HOUR ROAD WAITING FOR THE BUS.
NOW, THAT IS COMPLETELY INSANE TO ME.
MY WIFE, SHE DRIVES THE KIDS AROUND TO FOUR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, AND IT'S SUPER HECTIC IN THE MORNING AND THAT'S JUST US. YOU CAN IMAGINE TIMES THAT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND CITY TRYING TO GET TO DIFFERENT PLACES.
IT'S VERY DANGEROUS, AND I THINK IT WILL CHANGE THE AESTHETICS OF THE AREA. WE MOVED FROM A DIFFERENT TOWN FOR SCHOOLS. IT'S GOING TO STRETCH THE SCHOOLS. YOU'RE ALREADY AT 28.
MY 7-YEAR-OLD HAS 27 KIDS IN THE CLASS IN EARLY-ED, THAT WILL STRESS THE TEACHERS OUT. THAT WILL STRESS THE SCHOOLS OUT. IF YOU'RE ADDING MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVENTUALLY, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS? I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE FROM THE ENGINEERS AND THE PEOPLE BACKING THIS? I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IT WILL AFFECT THE CITY, TOO, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS OCCUPANCY. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DANGEROUS, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING 50 UNITS, AND YOU TIMES THAT BY 600,000, THAT'S $30 MILLION. SOMEBODY IS MAKING A LOT OF MONEY THERE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY CHANGING EVERYBODY AROUND IT.
THAT THING IS GOING TO AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DANGEROUS, BECAUSE WHERE DO YOU SEE YOURSELF IN FIVE YEARS? I MEAN YOU LOOK AT OGLETREE, AND YOU HAVE AN ENGINEERING EXTEND, AND WE ALL KNOW WHO IS BUYING THIS AND PROPOSING THIS, BUYING SIMILAR LOTS THAT ARE IN THE AREA AND DOING THE SAME THING, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE PLACES, AND THE SAME PERSON BACKING ALL OF THIS IS BUILDING BACK IN OGLETREE NOT A MILE DOWN THE ROAD DOING THREE TO FIVE-ACHE LOTS, WHICH WHY DON'T THEY DO THAT HERE? ALSO, YOU HAVE MORE CONGESTION WHEN YOU HAVE THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE BY OGLETREE SCHOOL, THEY'RE BUILDING THE PARK, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THERE. I CAN'T IMAGINE COMING OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ON OGLETREE TRYING TO TURN LEFT, LIKE EVERYBODY'S DISCUSSED ALREADY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FACILITITY TURNING FROM ROCK FENCE TO MOORES MILL ONE DAY, AND THEY'LL PUT UP A TRAFFIC LIGHT. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE PUT UP TRAFFIC LIGHTS HERE. SO EVERYBODY ELSE ON FAIRWAY WILL BE GOING RIGHT ON ROCK FENCE AND TRYING TO TURN RIGHT ON OGLETREE. THIS WAY YOU TURN LEFT ON OGLETREE, EITHER WAY YOU GO ON THIS ROAD, AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE BIKING DOWN THE ROAD. I MEAN THE CONGESTION WILL BE ASTRONOMICAL. IT WILL CHANGE THE AESTHETICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND VERY DANGEROUS TO HAVE KIDS AROUND AND FOR WHAT REASON? I MEAN, THE TOWN IS RIGHT THERE BY THE OVERLOOK. THOSE ARE EMPTY.
WHY CAN'T THESE OLDER RETIREES MOVE IN THERE, BUT YOU WANT TO BUILD 50 OF THESE, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE KIDS THERE, AS WELL, SO TO ME, ITES NO SENSE AT ALL.
>> ONE FOR CORRECTION. WE'RE NOT BUILDING THEM.
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WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD THEM. >> I DIDN'T SAY YOU'RE BUILDING
THEM. >> CHAIR: YOU SAID WHY DO WE
WANT TO BUILD THEM? >> I DID NOT.
I SAID THE ENGINEERS AND THE PEOPLE PROPOSING THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> CHAIR: OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE? I SEE NO ONE, SO I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE WILL RESUME DISCUSSION.
>> I GUESS I HAVE ONE REBUTTAL TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS, IF IT MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION OR ZONING REGULATION, WE ARE TO MOVE IT FORWARD, SO IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW TO DO THAT. IT'S CITY COUNCIL.
>> CHAIR: LET'S NOT GET IN AN ARGUMENT.
I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND I'M WELL AWARE EACH PERSON HERE HAS AS MUCH CONSCIENTIOUS FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AS YOU DO. TRYING TO WEIGH THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE DEVELOPER VERSUS THE IMPACTS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA OR COMPATIBILITY OR LACK THEREOF OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'RE TO LOOK AT PUBLIC INTEREST THE BEST WE CAN TURN CODES AND LAWS THAT WE HAVE TO OPERATE, SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUSH ANYTHING. WE'RE OBLIGATED TO REVIEW THIS OBJECTIVELY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN LOOKING AT THE TOTAL RIGHTS OF BOTH SIDES. ONE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUS STOP, I THINK SCHOOL BOARD GETS A COPY OF THESE AND REVIEW EVERY ONE OF THEM, AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT YOU SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EXPECT SOMEONE TO STAND OUT ON OGLETREE ROAD TO STAND WAITING FOR A BUS.
>> CHAIR: WE CAN MAKE MORE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CONDITIONS. THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE IN ADDITION TO THE PLAN, SO ANYWAY--
>> DOES NOT REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERFORMANCE.
RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PERMITTED IN PDDS.
>> CHAIR: I STAND CORRECT. BUT WE CAN STILL SEND ANY
CONCERN TO THE CITY COUNCIL. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DEVELOPER, BRETT. ANY CONSIDERATION FOR HAVING A
55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY HERE >> I SAID THAT IS THE TARGET BUYER THAT WE'RE DOING. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE ARE WOULD WANT TO RESTRICT IT TO 55 UP.
THERE'S ONLY OTHER ONE PLACE 10 CITY THAT DOES THAT, SO NO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE INTERESTED IN THAT.
>> THERE ARE PICTURES OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT SUPPOSEDLY WOULD LOOK LIKE, CAN YOU CONFIRM OR DIDN'T THAT?
>> I WOULD SAY DRIVE THROUGH MOORES MILL AND GROVE FIELD AND DRIVE THROUGH OVERLOOK, DRIVE THROUGH, PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE STANDARD OF QUALITY THAT THESE GUYS DO COMPARED TO PRETTY MUCH ANY OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS IN THE CITY.
I WOULD SAY IS YOU'RE SHOWING PICTURES FROM THE NORTHEAST, AND WE'RE IN AUBURN, ALABAMA. I'M NOT AWARE OF THE CLEVELAND BROTHERS DEVELOPING IN THE NORTHEAST, SO I CAN'T SAY THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD DO, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE MOORES MILL SUBDIVISION, THE GROVE HILL SUBDIVISION, OVERLOOK -- I MEAN, YOU CAN NAME THEM. YOU CAN SEE THE QUALITY THAT THEY DO. THE THEIR ENTRANCE, THEY PUT MONEY INTO AND MAKE THEM LOOK ATTRACTIVE AND FIT IN. MOST PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO COPY THEIR EXAMPLES OF WHAT TYPE OF PRODUCT THEY PUT OUT THERE, SO I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE IS THEY USE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, THEY USE LANDSCAPING FOR SCREENING AND AESTHETICS. THEY DO A HIGH-END FINISH ON
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WHAT THEY DO, SO I EXPECT THEM TO DO NOTHING DIFFERENT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, SO YOU KNOW, THOSE PICTURES IS JUST A SCARE TACTIC OF WHAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, BUT IN REALITY, I KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN DELIVERED OUT THERE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, AND IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE, THAT SO I DON'T ANTICIPATETHERE TO BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. >> CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ONE THING ALONG THE LINES OF THE SAFETY ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES.
YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS AN APPROACH -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW THINGS ARE DEVELOPING AND GROWING, AND AS THINGS GROW AND DEVELOP, AND THEY DO TRAFFIC STUDIES, AND THEY TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC IS MOVING AND ALL THAT AND THEY APPROVE ACCORDINGLY, SO IF THE SCHOOL BOARD GETS INVOLVED, AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THESE AREAS, THEY WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE THE REST OF THE STAFF, AND THEY TRY TO MITIGATE THESE THINGS.
WE'RE NOT HERE TRYING TO BUILD AN UNSAFE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON BEHIND ALL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TO TRY TO MITIGATE THOSE PROBLEMS, SO WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF STUFF GETS FIXED, AS WELL, THAT WOULD
BE MY POINT ON THAT. >> CHAIR: ANYONE ELSE?
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE PCRZ-202311 TO FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE RECOMMENDATION
FOR APPROVAL. >> WITH COMMENT.
>> CHAIR: WITH THE COMMENTS. THOSE HAVE BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. WE WILL BRING THE PDD AMENDMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR AS OF APPROVAL AND SUBJECT TO ALL COMMENTS. ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF A MOTION, SAY AYE.
>> YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER CHANSLER?
>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER AISTRUP.
>> NO. >> CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 19TH. WE'LL TAKE A BREATHER, AND THOSE THAT WANT TO LEAVE CAN LEAVE.
[6. Preliminary Plat - Auburn Distribution Center Redivision of Lots 1-A-1, 2-A-1, & 2-A-2 – PUBLIC HEARING PP-2023-012 ]
LET'S RESUME WITH ITEM 6 FOR THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
>> MR. CHAIR, WE'RE WAITING FOR ONE MORE TO RETURN HERE.
[01:40:22]
>> THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR APPROVAL FOR SUBDIVISION, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT DISTRIBUTION DRIVE EAST OF U.S.
HIGHWAY 29 SOUTH ALSO KNOWN AT SOUTH COLLEGE AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT PROPERTY IS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH COMMENTS, AGAIN, TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE COMMENTS ARE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST
LET ME KNOW. >> SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS TO NOTE.
>> YES, THE WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT ASKED THAT THE FINAL PLAT SHOULD INCLUDE AMOUNT STREAM BUFFERS AND WETLANDS TO BE PROVIDED BY WORM PLANNING, ENGINEERING HAD SOME SMALL CORRECTIONS BASED ON SOME REGUL
REGULATIONS. >> CHAIR: IS THERE ANYTHING THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO ADD? IF NOT, WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AND OPEN THE HEARING IF ANYONE HERE WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS PROPOSAL, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TERESA CRIAL AND LIVE ON 1174 LEVI CRANNY, AND WHEN YOU SHOW THE MAP, MY PROPERTY IS THE ONE THAT HAS LIKE A TRIANGLE RIGHT AT THAT TIME VERY END AT THE POINT OF THAT LAND. MY QUESTIONS ARE, HOW FAR FROM MY PROPERTY LINE WILL THIS DEVELOPMENT BE?
>> THIS IS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, SO THIS WOULD FALL UNDER ANY SETBACK RESTRICTIONS, ET CETERA, WITHIN THE COUNTY ZONING REGULATIONS. WHAT'S IT ON THE TABLE FOR PLATE FOR COMMISSION IS THE ACTUAL SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY, NOTHING ABOUT HOW IT IS NECESSARILY DEVELOPED?
>> SO YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT THE SETBACK WOULD BE WHEN IT STARTS
THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR A LATER TIME.
>> SO TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY GREEN WAY TO BE PUT INTO THIS PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT OR FENCE, WHAT ABOUT HOW LONG THIS
DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE, NO? >> THE CITY WILL NOT REVIEW ANY BUILDING PERMITS, ET CETERA. IT WILL ALL BE PERMITTED THROUGH
LEE COUNTY. >> WELL, I GUESS YOU CAN'T
REALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION. >> I APOLOGIZE.
>> IS THAT THE LEE COUNTY COMM
COMMISSION. >> SHE CAN GO TO THE
BUIBUILDING-- >> WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE PANEL HAS? IS ANYONE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> I WILL APPROVE PP-2023 WITH COMMENTS.
>> I SECOND. >> CHAIR: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR,
[7. Final Plat - Auburn Distribution Center Redivision of Lots 1-A-1, 2-A-1, & 2-A-2 Phase 1]
SAY AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES.THE NEXT ITEM IS FINAL PLAN APP
APPROVAL. >> YES, THE APPLICANT IS, AGAIN, REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL FOR A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY AS THE PLAT JUST SPOKEN ON, HOWEVER, THIS WILL BE -- IT'S INTENDED THAT THE SUBDIVISION TO BE DEVELOPED IN PHASES, THIS BEING PHASE ONE.
A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO THESE ARE THE FOUR LOTS AND LOT 2A-2 TO BE DISCUSSED AT A LATER TIME. STAFF REQUESTS APPROVAL WITH
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COMMENTS. >> CHAIR: IS THAT A CUL-DE-SAC
OR A TEMPORARY? >> IT'S TEMPORARY.
THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: MOTION MADE.
>> WITH COMMENTS. >> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION,
[8. Preliminary Plat - Tuscany Hills Phase 7 - PUBLIC HEARING ]
SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO.THE MOTION CARRIES. [INAUDIBLE]
. >> THIS WILL BE THE 7TH PHASE OF THE SUBDIVISION, AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONE DDH, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SUSAN POWELLED THERE HAVE BEEN NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PLAT, SO PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH COMMENTS.
>> TUSCANY HILLS -- [INDISCERNABLE].
>> IT'S THE TUSCANY FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD HOA.
>> CHAIR: IS THERE ANYONE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
OKAY, THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS -- THERE YOU GO.
C'MON DOWN. >> MY NAME IS JOHN ROBINSON FROM 2635, [INDISCERNABLE]. IF THIS IS PHASE 7 FOR TUSCANY HILLS, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR CARS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> CHAIR: THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION. THIS IS NOT REALLY A PLACE TO ACCESS AN -- [INAUDIBLE] .
>> THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON SOFIA COURT.
THERE'S NOT ONE THERE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS ROUND FROM STONEWOOD FA FARMS.
>> THIS PHASE 7 IS ON THE ADJACENT PHASE.
IT'S NOT ON THE MAP YET, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PLAT, THE ROAD TO THE LEFT RIGHT THERE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO STUB OUT THE
DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> THEY'VE BEEN PAVING THE STREETS AND PUT THE CURBS IN ALREADY, THEY WOULD HAVE STUBBED THAT OUT ALREADY. IF THEY DON'T DO PHASE 7 WITHOUT A STUB, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE ALL THIS TRAFFIC FOR OUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND THE REASON I'M HERE, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY, THEY SAID THEY HAVE GOING TO HAVE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
IT SEEMS THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE THIS EVEN STARTED
CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF I HAVEN'T ALREADY.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
IS THERE A MOTION TO BE MADE. >> MOVE TO APPROVE 2023-013 WITH
COMMENTS. >> CHAIR: IS THERE A SECOND.
>> SECOND. >> CHAIR: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO.
[9. Final Plat - Tuscany Hills Phase 7 ]
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IT IS APPROVED. NOW, THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.>> IT'S REQUEST FOR THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDI SUBDIVISION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH COMMENTS.
>> CHAIR: THERE IS NO NEED FOR A FINAL HEARING SINCE THIS IS A
FINAL, IS THERE A MOTION? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE
PCK-2023775. >> CHAIR: SECONDED FOR APPROVAL.
[10. Preliminary Plat - The Landings at Academy Dr Phase 2 - PUBLIC HEARING ]
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.ALL OPPOSED, SAY NO. AND WE MOVE NOW TO THE LANDINGS
AS ACADEMY DRIVE. >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR 45 LOT CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION DOING 43 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND TWO OPEN SPACE LOTS.
PLAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION, AND IT IS ZONED DDH, WHICH IS WELL BELOW THE DENSITY ALLOWED IN DDH COMING IN A LITTLE OVER TWO AN ACHE COMPATIBLE WITH LAND USE PLAN FOR APPROVAL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ANY PARTICULAR CONDITIONS >> YES, THERE ARE CONDITIONS.
>> OR ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT HAVE CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY?
>> NO. >> WHAT ARE WE DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS THESE DAYS?
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M WORKING TO KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENCY ON, BUT TYPICALLY, COMMENTS ARE SOMETHING THAT JUST HAS TO BE TWEAKED BUT WITHIN OUR REGULATION AND CONDITIONS WHETHER A CONDITIONAL USE OR PDD IS KIND OF SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE STANDARD REGULATIONS WOULD BE.
SOMETIMES IF IT'S SOMETHING MAJOR THAT INCLUDES THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR A PRETTY NOTABLE CHANGE THAT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR, WE'LL PUT THAT AS A CONDITION.
>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT.
ARE WE READY TO TALK ABOUT LANDINGS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION. ANYONE HERE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM, THE LANDINGS ACADEMY DRIVE PHASE 2, AND THERE IS NO ONE, SO
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> [INAUDIBLE]
PHASE 2 WITH CONDITIONS. >> SECOND.
>> CHAIR: MOTION MADE AND SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
[11. Final Plat - The Landings at Academy Drive Phase 2 ]
ALL OPPOSED, SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES.NOW THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL. >> THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL SAME SITE AND DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, SUBDIVISION MEESE OR EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION, THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> NO PUBLIC HEARING HERE.
IS THERE ANYONE WITH QUESTIONS. >> MOVE TO APPROVE 2023-001 IN LANDINGS ACADEMY DRIVE WITH APPROVAL WITH COMMENTS.
[12. Conditional Use - IBS USA Plant Construction Project - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, SAY NO. INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OF AUBURN
THIS IS A CONDITION REQUEST FOR INDUSTRIAL USE SPECIFICALLY A INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY ON [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND THEREFORE ALL INDUSTRIAL USES ARE CONDITIONAL, AND WE HAVE THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU.
THE REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING AND VERY MUCH COMPATIBILITY SO STAFF RECOMMENDS FORWARDING COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVAL AND THE ACHES WILL BE
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OVER 24,000 FEET OF MANUFACTURING.HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> CHAIR: ANYONE MAKING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'M WAITING TO SEE IF ANYONE FROM THE INDUSTRIAL BOARDS. NO QUESTIONS?
YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. >> THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
>> CHAIR: THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OP
. >> I WENT TO MILLER ASK ASKED ABOUT 50 FEET OF WOOD AS A BUFFER, AND HE TOLD ME, NO NEED.
HE SOLD IT WITH A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
GOT TWICE I WANTED FOR NOTHING. [INDISCERNABLE] I CALLED THE LADY IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I ASKED HER ABOUT THE HUNDRED FEET. SHE SAID WHAT HUNDRED FEET? I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. SHE DID IN A COUPLE OF DAYS AND TOLD ME THAT I WAS RIGHT, AND THIS PROPOSAL HAD BEEN WITHDRAWN. NOW I GET THE LETTER, I CALL, AND THEY SAY IT'S 50 FEET OF UNDISTURBED, AND THERE'S 50 FEET THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ON AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE A HUNDRED WENT TO 50 AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE END OF THAT BUILDING RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE 50.
. >> WE ARE ADDING THE 50 FEET UNDISTURBED SO BEFORE IT STARTS THE CLEARING, WE WILL SELECT 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE SO THERE IS NO DISTURBANCE.
WE TALKED TO KATY QUESTIONED AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL BUFFER, AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE COMPANY, AND WE WILL CREATE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER CLOSE TO THE TRUCKING AREA, SO THAT WE HAVE A MAN MADE TREE BUFFER A LITTLE BIT LOWER, BECAUSE THE TREES HAVE GROWN TO CREATE ON THE LOWER SIDE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER. TO OUR INTERPRETATION, THAT IS
WHAT THE REGULATION SAYS. >> CHAIR: OKAY.
>> AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT. >> CHAIR: YOU UNDERSTAND THAT
NOW. >> MR. GRAYSON, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
. >> BASICALLY, WHERE YOU SEE --
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WILL BE A 140 FEET OF TREES ALONG OFF THE CONCRETE EDGE ON THIS GREEN BUFFER. [INAUDIBLE] WE'LL CARRY THAT IF YOU'RE TO THE WEST AS WE'RE SEEING.>> DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SO I'LL CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING, AND IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IS THERE A MOTION TO BE MADE.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE KCU-2023-019 FOR CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION
>> CHAIR: MOTION MADE AND SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, SAY NO. IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUS BUSINESS -- JOHN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.