9.a. Small cell franchise agreement. Crown Castle Fiber, LLC. Unanimous consent necessary. Public hearing required.

[9.b. Zoning Ordinance Text Amendment. Article II, Section 203 (Definitions) and Article V, Section 511 (Accessory Uses). Unanimous consent necessary. Public hearing required.]

>> ANDERS? >> YES.

>>> 9-B AUTHORIZES TEXT AMENDMENTS TO ITEM TWO AND SECTION 203, BREW PUBS AND THE SWIMMING POOLS FOR THE CITY OF AUB ORDINANCE. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY AND A

PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> I INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE

AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: DOES I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. ANY COMMENTS OR

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QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL? OKAY. ALLISON?

>> MORMAN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> PARSONS? >> YES.

>> TAYLOR? >> YES.

>> BY THE WAY WITTEN? >> YES.

>> ADAMS? >> YES.

>> COBLENTZ? >> YES, MA'AM Z DAWSON?

[9.c. Amend City Code. Chapter 17. Article III. House Numbering and Street Names. Unanimous consent necessary. Public hearing required.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> GRISWOLD?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> ANDERS?

>> YES. >>> ITEM 9 C AUTHORIZES AMENDMENTS TO CITY COUNCIL CHAPTER 17 ARTICLE THREE HOUSE NUMBERING AND STREET NAMES IN ORDER TO ADOPT NATIONAL NUMBER AND ASSOCIATION STANDARDS FOR NEXT GENERATION 911 SERVICES, UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY, HOWEVER A PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT REQUIRED BUT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED.

>> I INTRODUCED THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DOES ANYONE IN COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS THIS EVENING.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: SEEING NONE, SINCE IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED, I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. SEEING NONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS FROM

CITY COUNCIL IN ALLISON? >> PARSONS?

>> YES. >> TAYLOR?

>> YES. >> WITTEN?

>> WHY HE. ADAMS? >> YES. COBLENTZ?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> DAWSON?

[9.d. Zoning. Public hearings required. ]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> GRISWOLD?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> ANDERS?

>> YES. >> ITEM 9 E IS ONE ACRE OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1758 MIRACLE ROAD, THE PLANNING XHISH UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE REQUEST AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> I'LL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS THIS EVENING. OKAY. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND ENTER YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM

CITY COUNCIL? >> YES. I HAVE A QUESTION?

>> MAYOR ANDERS: PLEASE. >> IT SAYS THE CITY CANNOT PROVIDE WATER TO THE LOCATION WITHOUT EXPANSION. A WATER SYSTEM EXPANSION WAS PLANNED AS PART OF THE AUBURN FARMS DEVELOPMENT BUT HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE AN ANTICIPATED TIME OF WHEN WE CAN ANTICIPATE WATER LINES

BEING APPROVED FOR THAT AREA? >> CITY MANAGER: THAT'S SAYING THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN WATER LINES THROUGH THIS AREA HAS NOT COMPLETED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND IS A HOLDING PATTERN. MR. CARSON, DO YOU HAVE AN

ANSWER TO THAT? NO. MAYOR? >> THE DEVELOPER OF AUBURN FARMS HAS NOT COMPLETED EVERYTHING THEY HAVE TO DO, SO, IT'S NOT ACCEPTED YET. MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN THE GROUND IT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTED YET.

>> FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO TIE ON, DOES THAT HAVE TO TAP, ERIC?

>> WELL, THERE'S A WATER LINE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO TIE

INTO. >> IT'S A TIMING ISSUE.

>> WE'RE WORKING ON A SOLUTION AND IT'S A TIMING ISSUE.

>> DOES THE DEVELOPER PAY FORUM, INSTALLING AND DEVELOPING THE WATER LINE AND NETWORK TO COVER THIS AREA?

>> YES, SIR. THE WATER LINE'S INSTALLED, IT'S JUST NOT BEEN

ACCEPTED. >> THANK YOU.

>> ACCEPTED MEANS IT MEETS 100 PERCENT OF ALL OF OUR CRITERIA, WHICH, THE DEVELOPERS IN THE ROOM WILL NOD AND SAY IT'S A

LOT. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE YOU DONE, MR. GRISWOLD?

>> I AM, THANK YOU. >> MR. MAYOR, I'LL ABSTAIN FROM

THIS VOTE. >> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. ALLISON, ROLL CALL?

>> TAYLOR? >> YES.

>> WITTEN? >> YES.

>> ADAMS? >> YES.

>> COBLENTZ? >> ABSTAIN.

>> DAWSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> GRISWOLD? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MORMON? >> YES, MA'AM. PARSONS?

>> YES. >> ANDERS?

>> YES. >> ITEM 9 D 2 IS A RETO REZONE 11.20 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1287, THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT IT'S AUGUST 10TH MEETING. THIS ITEM ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS POSTPONED FROM THE SEPTEMBER 19TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING UNTIL TODAY. A MOTION TO APPROVE IS ALREADY ON THE TABLE. A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. SO, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW, MS. CROUCH BEFORE STARTING THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, I KNOW MR. COBLENTZ HAD A FEW COMMENTS AND SOME QUESTIONS THAT HE MIGHT ASK. IS THAT APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT NOW.

>> ABSOLUTELY, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE AND AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR DISCRETION.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: GO AHEAD MR. COBLENTZ.

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>> CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE US THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S INVOLVED HERE,

MS. CROUCH. >> WE'LL GLADLY DO THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO CAUTION THAT THIS TOUCH IS NOT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WHICH FOLLOWS ON. SO, COMMENTS MAYBE LIMITED FOR THIS ZONING RELATIVE TO THE BIGGER PICTURE TO THE NEXT ONE. MR. HOWARD, IT WILL PUT IT UP.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO, THIS REQUEST IS SIMPLY FOR THE DDH DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING ZONING DISTRICT, THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL. AS YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR PACT, SURROUNDING PROPERTY ARE ZONED LDD, LIMITED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR AS YOU COULD SEE ON THE MAP, DDH, LDD ALSO PROVIDES AND ALLOWS FOR A VERY SIMILAR LEVELS OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO THE DDH DISTRICT WHICH AGAIN IS ADJACENT TO AND SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY. THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE PROPERTY IS NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION, WHICH, INCORPORATES IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU, AS YOU COULD SEE, NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION INCORPORATES MANY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, EAST, SOUTH TO THE WEST IS THE MOORSVILLE PDD WHICH AS YOU'LL SEE LATER IS BEING REQUESTED SE TO EXPAND TO INCLUDE THIS PREFERMENT JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, FUTURE LAND USES FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN A PDD ARE GIVEN THAT PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FUTURE LAND USE AS WELL. SO, THAT IS WHY THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION FUTURE LAND USES WHICH ARE ON THE OTHER THREE SURROUNDING SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.

>> AS FAR AS DENSITY IS CONCERNED ON DDH, WHAT IS THE ALLOWED DENSITY ON DDH, VERSUS LDD?

>> SO, FOR A PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT T OR, SORRY, PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DDH ZONING DISTRICT, YOU COULD GO UP TO 5.5 UNITS PER ACRE AND IN THE LDD IT'S AT 5 UNITS PER ACRE. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT, WE COULD DISCUSS DENSITY ON THE PROPOSALEN OH THE NEXT ITEM AS WELL AS IT RELATES TO THE PDD

REQUEST. >> AND AS FAR AS LAND USE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL, LDD, EVERYTHING IS BROUGHT IN AS A BASE ZONE OF RURAL IS THAT CORRECT?

>> IS THAT CORRECT. >> SO, WHEN THE REQUEST COMES TO REZONE A PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION PLAN TO ALLOW US TO SEE WHAT WE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WOULD BE OR POSSIBLE BE TO HELP DIVIDE US ON WHAT WE WOULD POSSIBLE REZONE THIS PROPERTY TOWARDS?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. SO, WHEN THIS REQUEST CAME BEFORE US, WE LOOKED AT OBVIOUSLY THIS PROPERTY AND THEN SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, YOU HAVE SOME VARIATION IN DENSITIES ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, SINGLE-FAMILY ON TWO SIDES OF THE PROPERTY AND RELATIVE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. CURRENTLY AND THEN SOME TOWN HOME PRODUCT ACROSS OGLE STREET ROAD AS WELL. SO, WHEN CONSIDERING WHAT THE EXISTING CHARACTER IS OF THIS WHY ARE, FRANKLY IT'S NOT JUST ONE SINGLE TYPE OR DENSITY. THERE'S VARIATION THERE. AND OUR REQUEST FOR THIS, AS WITH THE LATER REQUEST WE FELT THIS PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT IS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THAT FUTURE

LAND USE DESIGNATION. >> PART OF IT IS LDD AND PART OF IT IS RURAL. AND IN THE ZONING REQUEST IT MENTIONS THE SOUTHERN BORDER TO MORGAN HILLS ONE AND TWO, IT MENTIONS THE EAST AND THE WEST. THE NORTHERN PORTION IS NOT MENTIONED. IS THERE AN EXPLANATION MUCH WHY THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE REZONING ANALYSIS?

>> YES. SO, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IF YOU'LL LOOK TO APPROXIMATELY PAGE FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT. WE REFERENCED DENSITIES OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. WE DO MENTION THE SURROUNDING ZONING ON THAT FIRST PAGE BUT ON PAGE FOUR WE DID MENTION SURROUNDING ZONINGS, AND WE LOOKED AT AREAS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED. OBVIOUSLY TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE THE LDD DISTRICT AND THE RURAL DISTRICT, THOSE HAVE I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, BUT, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ESSENTIALLY DEVELOPED TO THE EXTENT THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES HAS. WE SEE THAT IN THE SAME VAIN AS THIS PROPERTY AND OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

>> OKAY. >> MAYOR ANDERS: AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND YOU'LL HAVE

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FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL?

>> NO. ON THIS, UM REZONING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. SO, WE'RE REZONING FROM RULE TO DDH?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> BUT, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING JUST THEN, PAUSE, I HEARD OTHER LETTERS,

LDD? >> THE DISCUSSION THERE WAS RELATIVE TO THE SURROUNDING ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY. AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GO, THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL TO DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING BEFORE YOU GET TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM THAT WOULD PUT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY. AND ALSO REALLY ENCOMPASSES A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TOWN HOMES ON ONE PIECE OF THIS AND THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS FOR THE CHANGE OF PLANNED DISTRICT. THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED WHY THE WHOLE THING IS NOT PRESENTED BECAUSE THE ONLY THING FOR THIS DECISION FOR YOU IS DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING. HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW AND COMMONLY WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, I DON'T RECOMMEND YOU PROCEED IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO PUT IN AN OVERLAY. THIS IS SUGGESTING TO THE DEVELOPER WHEN YOU GET TO THE NEXT ITEM, THEY'RE LOCKED DOWN EXACTLY WHAT'S ON A PLAN WITH DENSITIES AND SO ON. WE DEAL WITH THIS PLENTY, SO, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S A FOLLOW ON ITEM.

>> OKAY. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THE POINT THAT MEGAN JUST MADE WITH THE DDH ZONING. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE PDD THAT'S FOLLOWING THIS IN THIS DECISION. I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE PDD THAT'S FOLLOWING THIS IN MAKING THIS DECISION ON THE DDH REZONING. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE PROPERTY REZONED TO DDH, WITHOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPERTY GIVEN TO THE PDD

SEASONING. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANYTHING

ELSE? ROLL CALL? >> WITTEN?

>> YES. >> ADAMS?

>> YES. >> COBLENTZ?

>> YES. >> DAWSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> GRISWOLD?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MORMON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> PARSONS?

>> YES. >> TAYLOR?

>> YES. >> ANDERS?

>> YES. >>> ALL RIGHT, ITEM 9 D 3 IS A QUESTION OF BRETT OF THE FOR SITE GROUP TO AHMED THE MOORS MILL DISTRICT TO AT 348 ACRES LOCATED AT 1719 OGLE TREE ROAD AND 11.20 ACRES IN THE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT 1287 IN AN AREA KNOWN AS AREA L.

THIS BRINGS THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. THIS ITEM ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS POST POND FROM THE SEPTEMBER 19TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING MOTION TO APPROVE IS ALREADY ON THE TABLE.

A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. SO, AS WE DID LAST TIME, MR. COBLENTZ IF THERE ARE A FEW COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO START WITH, BEFORE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES AND ADAPTATIONS TO THIS SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MET.

HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SPEAK TO THAT. IT

>> I KNOW LAST TIME ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL AND WE DELAYED THIS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY BEING INCOMPLETE. SO, MS. CROUCH CAN WE SPEAK TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY FINDINGS AND WHAT WAS INDICATING THROUGH THE FINDINGS AND WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AT

OGLETREE ROAD. >> I'LL HAVE MR. FRASER GIVE A QUICKS OVERVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUD.

>> THANK YOU, WE'VE REVIEWED THE PRELIMINARY STUDY. THE RESULTS OF TRAFFIC STUDY WERE THAT NO SIGNIFICANT ISSUE PRIVATE SECTOR FOUNDED. THE ADDITION OF THE 50 UNITS WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY IMPACTS IN THE 2025 BUILD YEAR AND WE'RE LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THE CONSULTANT IN 2028 WHICH IS WHEN THEY PROJECT THE PDD TO BE BUILT OUT. BUT, THAT MIGHT BE AN ADDITION OF RIGHT TURN LANES AT SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS, RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT AT THE FLOWER STORE DRIVE WEIGH ON MOORES MILL ROAD. WE DO NEED THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

>> OGLETREE ROAD, THE TOWN HOUSE PIECE IS ONE THING, THE SHOPPING CENTER IS ANOTHER THING AND THEN THE THIRD FACTOR IS

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CURRENT TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND GROWTH IN THE AREA. AND SURROUND CAN AREAS IN PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC. NOT JUST.

>> SO, THEY ANALYZED IT WITH THE TOWN HOMES, AGAIN, 2025 WOULD BE THE BUILDOUT OF THE TOWN HOMES. AND THEY PROVIDED AN ANALYSIS, THERE WERE NO IMPROVEMENTS WARRANTED NO IMPACTS FROM THE ADDITION OF THE 50 TOWN HOMES IN 2025. SO, THEN, 2028 WOULD BE FUTURE BUILDOUT, ADDITIONAL, NORMAL TRAFFIC PLUS THE REST OF THE PDD.

>> AND WHAT ALL WAS INCLUDED IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY AS FAR AS THIS, OTHER THAN THE 50 TOWN HOME UNIT. WERE THERE OTHER PARCELS OF THE PDD INCLUDED OR ANY OTHER ITEMS STUDIED

ALONGSIDE OF IT. >> IT WAS THE REMAINING ITEMS IN THE PDD ASSIST THE LIVING AND TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS AS WELL AS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE PDD.

>> SO, EVEN WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY INCLUDED, OGLETREE IS NOT AT CAPACITY. OR, IS THAT MISINTERPRETING THE

STUDY? >> OWIGLETREE IS NOT. BUT THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO THE CONSULTANT ABOUT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. UM, I THINK WE SPOKE TO THIS A LITTLE BIT. AND THE REZONING PIECE OF THIS. CAN WE SPEAK TO THE DENSITY OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ORIONID

THIS PDD DEVELOPMENT? >> OGLETREE.

>> COUNCILMAN COBLENTZ DO YOU WANT A QUICK RUN THROUGH FROM

THE PLANNING DIRECTOR? >> THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE

BETTER. >> MR. NELSON?

>> GREG, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PULLING THAT UP AS WELL. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCIOUS THERE'S A VARIETY OF DENSITIES OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. ONE MORE, ONE MORE. I'M SORRY, GO BACK TO THE FIRST. THAT'S OKAY.

FORGIVE ME. >>> SO, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DENSITIES SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY. PROBABLY WITH THE LEAST BEING TO THE WEST OF THIS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE MOORES MILL PDD, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCES THAT PHASE IS 1.9 UNITS PER ACRE. TO THE SOUTH THERE ARE TWO SECTION OF THE MORE BEGAN HILL SUBDIVISION. ONE IS 5.1 UNITS PER ACRE AND THE OTHER IS 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE. AND TO THE EAST, THE TOWN HOMES ACROSS OGLETREE ROAD, THOSE ARE 2.5 UNITS PER ACRE. SO, THEY'RE NOT AT THE TOP END OF THIS. BUT, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE BOTTOM END OF THIS. KIND OF WITHIN THAT RANGE OF IT SURROUNDING DENSITIES OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

>>> CAN WE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES, SO, I KNOW THERE'S SOME ELEVATION CHANGES AND WETLAND ISSUES IN THIS PROPERTY. WHAT, WHAT, UM, SPEAK FIRST, I GUESS TO THE ELEVATION. DO WE SEE AS FAR AS WHAT WILL HAPPEN HOW, WHAT THE LEVEL OF THE PROPERTIES WILL BE, I GUESS, ONCE THAT IS

AT COMPLETION? >> CITY MANAGER: WE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE THE DEVELOPER SPEAK TO ASPECTS OF THIS WHEN WE GET THERE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT GRADES AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE, UM, ENGINEER OR THE APPLICANT DOES, BUT, THE NOTION IS, ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE AND GREG, CAN YOU GO TO A DIFFERENT ZOOM IN OF THE -- NO, KEEP GOING. YEAH, GO BACK. ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OR THE WESTERN SIDE, THAT AREA, DIRT, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, AND THEY WILL NOD AT ME IF I'M INCORRECT OR CORRECT. THERE'S A HILL GOING FROM THE TOP OF THE PAGE, DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THEY WILL BE CUTTING DIRT DOWN AND SHIFTING IT OVER TO FILL IN OTHER PARTS OF THE SITE, THERE'S TWO EXISTING LAKES UPON OTHER THINGS AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT A BIT MORE. SO, ULTIMATELY, THE TOWN HOMES ON THE FAR LEFT OF YOUR PAGE ARE WEST AND WOULD BE LOWER THAN THE ADJACENT HOMES. DID I EXPLAIN THAT CORRECTLY?

>> OKAY. >> MAYBE WE'LL GET MORE

CLARIFICATION. >> CITY MANAGER: ABSOLUTELY.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE MR. HOWARD TO ANSWER TO THIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS BEFORE THE

PUBLIC HEARING? >> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK'

RENDERINGS. >> CITY MANAGER: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THERE'S DIFFERENT SETBACKS AND WE'RE ON THAT PAGE NOW, AND I CAN HAVE MR. HOWARD WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THEY'VE

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AGREED TO DO AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE INCLINED TO PROCEED, I RECOMMEND THE MOTION MADE IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING TO ADD THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PER THE LETTER WHICH

HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. >>> THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO MAJOR ITEMS OUTLINES IN THE APPLICANT'S LETTER AND ARE REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE. THE FIRST BEING THE SETBACK OF THE TOWN HOMES ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, INITIALLY THOSE WERE PROPOSED TO BE 25 FEET FROM THE WESTERN PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN INCREASED BY THE APPLICANT TO 35 FEET. ADDITIONALLY THEY HAVE PROPOSED A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP, KIND OF WITH OFF SETTING MAGNOLIA TREES, I BELIEVE. AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE EXAMPLES ON THAT. ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND ALSO A 15-FOOT BUFFER YARD ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, AS YOU MAYBE AWARE, THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY, PER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, ALTHOUGH, UNDEVELOPED, DOES REQUIRE A 15-FOOT BUFFER YARD AS WELL.

SO, THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE A 15-FOOT BUFFER YARD ON ALL SIDES IN THE OGLETREE ROAD FRONTAGE WOULD ALSO HAVE A 15-FOOT BUFFER YARD AS IT'S WITHIN OUR CORRIDOR LANE OF OUR

OVERLAY DISTRICT. >> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. WE'LL

GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP. >> I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: PLEASE, YEAH? >> THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS THAT THERE'S POINTS MADE ABOUT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, I KNOW WHEN YOU GET FURTHER DOWN OGLETREE ROAD THERE'S WATER SHED THAT'S PART OF LAKE OGLETREE, CAN WE SPEAK TO THE LIMITS OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG OGLETREE ROAD POSSIBLE DUE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE? OR THE WATER SHED ISSUES THAT WE

RUN INTO? >> CERTAINLY. SO, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF OGLETREE ROAD, YOU REALLY KIND OF GET INTO SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS FOR THAT LAKE OGLETREE WATER SHED. SO, THAT REALLY LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE CAN DO IN THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T REALLY FORESEE ANYTHING OF THIS DENSITY BEING PROPOSED IN INTEREST BECAUSE OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS OF IT BEING IN THE WATER SHED. AND ALSO, THIS DENSITY OR EVEN SOME OTHER SIMILAR TYPED DENSITY THAT IS WE'VE SEEN KIND OF ON THE WEST END SIDE OF THIS 1.9 UNITS PER ACRE. THOSE MAY STILL HAVE ISSUES ON THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST SIDE OF OGLETREE AS YOU GET INTO THE WATER SHED. FURTHER SOUTH OGLETREE THAT'S WHEN YOU START TO RUN INTO AREAS WHERE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CURRENTLY, SEWER SERVICES AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE'LL HAVE TO REVIEW THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR ANYTHING THAT COMES UP THERE AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: YOU GOOD?

>> YES, SIR. >> MAYOR ANDERS: AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> CHRISTOPHER JONES, 1810 STABLES COURT. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE CONCESSIONS TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S MEANINGFUL BUFFERING FOR THE PROPERTY LINES WHICH ARE ADJACENT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. EVERYTHING THESE GUYS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN DONE WELL. I ASSUME THAT WILL BE THE CASE HERE. MY QUESTIONS ARE TWO-FOLD, THERE'S A STUB OUT, FOR OUR PROPERTY LINE IS GOES TWO ROWS BEHIND. I'M CURIOUS OF WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. AND THE OTHER PLAN IS THE MAGNOLIA BUFFERING IS ON THE WEST SIDE BUT NOT ON THE SIDE THAT MY PROPERTY IS. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE STUB OUT AND WHAT IS THE BUFFERING TO EXPECT

ON THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER. >> CITY MANAGER: I RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE ALL QUESTIONS AND ANSWER EVERYTHING ONCE YOU HAVE

THE QUESTIONS OUT THERE. >> .

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU, WE'LL GET THEM ANSWERED FOR YOU.

IS THAT OKAY? >> YES.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ALL RIGHT. WHO WOULD BE NEXT? >YES, MA'AM. THIS WOULD BE YOUR TIME TO

SPEAK. THANK YOU, MEGHAN. >> CITIZEN: GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M CYNTHIA WITSON AND I'M HERE T LIVE AT 1035 STINSON IN AUBURN, ALABAMA. I WAS UNAWARE THAT THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. HAS IT BEEN APPROVED? THE HOUSINGS?

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>> MAYOR ANDERS: NO, MA'AM. JUST THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN

REZONED. >> CITIZEN: I COME TO YOU TO SAY NO. NO TO THE COMPLEX CONTAINING 50 UNITS DEVELOPED ON OGLETREE ROAD. THE REASON IS THAT THE COMPLEX WILL PUT 100 CARS ON OGLETREE ROAD, THAT'S TWO CARS PER UNIT AND THREE CARS TO ONE UNIT, INCREASING THE CARS TO 150 CARS. TOO MUCH WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ROAD AND TOO MUCH TRAFFIC FOR US. WE SAY NO TO MAKE A ROAD FOR GOLF COURSE, THE REASON, IT'S TOO DANGEROUS. WE HAVE CHILDREN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RANGING FROM AGE 4 AND UP, THEY LIKE TO PLAY ON THEIR RIDING TOYS AS WELL. AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS THEY TEND TO RIDE THEIR PLAY TOYS ON THE ROAD. WE'RE A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A BIG HEART, IT WOULD BE PLEASING TO GET SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF SENIOR CITIZENS AND THEY LIKE TO WALK AND EXERCISE, BUT, WITH THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC, IT WOULD MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO. WE SAY NO TO THE TRASH THROWN ON THE ROAD, WE KNOW, MORE TRAFFIC MORE TRASH. THE STATE OF ALABAMA HAD TO BE A MINIMUM AGE TO OPERATE A GOLF CART IS 16 YEARS-OLD. AND A DRIVERS LICENSE IS NEEDED. BUT, ALSO, HAVING SMALL GRAND KIDS I NOTICE THAT THEY SEE PLENTY OF PATIENTS SHOWING UP IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM WITH INJURIES DUE TO THE GOLF COURSE. IN 2021 THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS REPORTED MORE THAN 6,500 CHILDREN WERE HURT BY GOLF CARTS AND THAT'S JUST YEARLY. LET'S KEEP SAFETY FIRST AND LET'S KEEP THE GOVERNMENT CARTS ON THE

GOVERNMENT COURSE. >> MAYOR ANDERS: YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK THE SECOND TIME.

WHO WOULD BE NEXT? >> MAYOR ANDERS: WE'LL CLOSE

THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> CITY MANAGER: DO YOU WANT TO GET TO THE QUESTIONS, MAYOR THAT YOU DIDN'T GIVE A RESPONSE

TO. >> MAYOR ANDERS: FIRST

QUESTION INVOLVED THE STUB OUT. >> CITY MANAGER: OKAY, YOU MAY HAVE, UP LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TO UNLESS DURING THE PUBLISH HEARING. I'LL HAVE FRASER ANSWER THE STUB OUT FROM THE LENS OF CITY PROCEDURES AND WHY THERE'S TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. BECAUSE, IT'S ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE LETTER TO YOU THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO ELIMINATE THAT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO PULL UP A VISUAL

OF THAT THAT WE COULD SPEAK TO? >> CITY MANAGER: ABSOLUTELY.

MR. NELSON WILL GET THERE IN A SECOND. IF WE ALL STARE AT HIM, HE'LL TURN RED. [LAUGHTER] ALLISON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK THROUGH THAT WITH YOUR LENS AND

KEVIN CAN CAN ADD. >>> SO, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WAS TO PROVIDE A STUB OUT TO THE NORTH WHICH IS REFLECTED ON THIS PLAN NEAR THE WESTERN BOUNDARY. WE ARE PROPONENTS OF CONNECTIVITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR OFTEN IS, UM, ARE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC. SO, WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE WAY IN AND OUT OF A DEVELOPMENT. CAN I ASK YOU TO FLIP TO ONE THAT MIGHT SHOW. GO BACK IF YOU DON'T MIND. ONE MORE, PLEASE. GO FORWARD. SO, TO THE NORTH IS A VACANT PROPERTY AND THEN THERE'S ACCESS TO STINSON COURT. AND SO THERE WOULD BE A WAY OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE ALL HAVING TO EXIT AS YOU SEE ACROSS

STINNSON COURT. >>> CITY MANAGER: THE GENTLEMAN WAS REFERRING TO A PLAN THAT HAD A STUB OUT ON A REVERSE PROPERTY. WOULD IT BE WITH THE DDH ITEM?

>> I BELIEVE THE ADDITIONAL COMMENT WAS CONNECTED TO THE WEST AND UP. I CAN'T RECALL RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF WE EVER HAD A SITE PLAN THAT NECESSARILY SHOWED THAT. I THINK THERE WAS A STUBBOUT OF THE STREET IN THE NATURAL DIRECTION OF THAT. BUT, TAKING IT THROUGH SOMEONE'S BACKYARD WHICH WOULD NOT BE OUR RECOMMENDATION, SO, THE REALIGNED STUB OUT TO THE NORTH SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE.

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>> WE HAD A WORK SESSION ON THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS OF THE COUNCIL MENTIONED BY STAFF THAT WAS SOMEWHERE ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, IT'S EXACT LOCATION AND AT THAT STAGE WOULD NOT BE A PUBLIC STREET, EITHER,

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THERE'S NO EXACT LOCATION OF THIS. YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE WILLS TO ELIMINATE THAT. AND PART OF THE COMMENT IS COMING BOTH FROM STAFF AND THEY'VE PUT SOMETHING IN WRITING

ABOUT THAT. >> SO, SPECIAL THE DEVELOPER HAS WRITTEN US THAT THEY'RE WILLING NOT TO HAVE THE SUBOUT BUT YOU'RE SAYING FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONNECTION. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND I RECEIVED A NICE COUNCILMAN QUESTION LEADING INTO THE AGENDA SAYING WHAT'S THE RULE ON THE GOLF CARTS, BECAUSE, YOU ALSO HEARD ANOTHER CITIZEN VERY CONCERNED. I TOLD SOMEBODY AT A RECENT FOOTBALL SATURDAY, I FOLLOWED A GOLF CART ALL THE WAY INTO TOWN. IT WAS DANGEROUS, THERE WERE KIDS IN THERE, NOT SEAT BELTED. OUR POLICE DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO ENFORCE THAT. BUT, THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CHOOSING NOT TO FOLLOW THE LAW. THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON THE MULTIPLE USE PATH. THAT'S A PUBLIC SIDEWALK NOT FOR GOLF CARTS. IF YOU'RE STREET LEGAL CAR CAN GO THE SPEED WITH LICENSE PLATES, SEAT BELTS AND TAILLIGHTS, THEY'RE STREET LEGAL AND I BELIEVE WE PUT OUT A TON OF INFORMATION ABOUT A STREET LEGAL VEHICLE. YOU CANNOT CONFUSE A GOLF CART NOT BEING STREET LEGAL. HOWEVER, IS THIS A PRIVATE PATH OR A PUBLIC STREET? ON A PRIVATE PATH IF THIS DEVELOPER WOULD MAKE A DEAL WITH ADJOINING PROPERTIES, A PRIVATE PATH IS JUST THAT, IF THEY OWN IT OR THE HOA HAS A STAKE IN IT, THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WISH. A PUBLIC PATH IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

AND THERE WAS A QUESTION BEFORE THE DEVELOPER SPEAKS TO THIS, IF STAFF KNOWS ANYTHING RELATIVE TO THE NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY AND ANY BUFFERING THEREOF. BASED ON, CAN YOU BRING IT UP, I THINK IT WAS AREA L. AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT WILL

SHOW UP ON THE BUFFERING PLAN. >> BASED UPON OUR STANDARD BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY. THE 15-FOOT BUFFERING ON THE NORTHERN PORTION WOULDN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE THIS PORTION OF IT. I UNDERSTAND, I BELIEVE, WHAT THE QUESTION WAS TO KIND OF TURN THE CORNER THERE, SO TO SPEAK, TO, GET TO THE END CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: IS THAT CORRECT, MR. JONES?

>> YES. >> CITY MANAGER: WITH THE MAGNOLIAS, THAT'S A REQUIRED BUFFER LINE. OTHERWISE, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY -- CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> CITY MANAGER: SO, FROM THE STAFF'S LENS THERE'S NO ACTIVITY, AND THAT'S A REQUIRED BUFFER YARD. AND WHEN THE BUFFER YARD IS REQUIRED, WE DON'T DICTATE EXACT PLACEMENT OF TREES. YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM AT CERTAIN SPACING. YOU CAN'T GET THEM TOO CLOSE TOGETHER IN OTHER WORDS YOU COULD SPREAD THEM OUT AT YOUR DESIRE AS LONG AS YOU

ARE MEETING OUR CRITERIA. >> AND WHILE WE'RE ON THE MAP, THIS SUBOUT SHOWING ON THE WESTERN SIDE HEADING NORTH APPEARS TO ALIGN WITH THE LOT THAT IS MR. JONES' LOT. IS THAT

CORRECT? >> CORRECT Z AND THERE'S NO

STUB OUT ON THIS ONE? >> WHERE THE ROAD, I MEAN, IT COULD POTENTIALLY, I MEAN, THE WESTERN, IN THAT CORNER WHERE IT

SAYS, OPEN SPACE? >> I THINK THAT'S JUST THE BACK

UP AREA. >> THAT'S JUST THE TURN AROUND.

>> YEAH. OKAY. BUT, ON THE OTHER PIECE THAT WAS SHOWING AS

A POTENTIAL. >> YES, IT ACTUALLY HAD SHIFTED TO THE EAST A LITTLE BIT AND THEY RECONFIGURED THOSE. AND THAT WAS ON THE ONE THAT LOOKED LIKE A REPRESENTEDENDERING.

>> IT SHIFTED, SPLIT THAT OTHER BUILDING.

>> SO, THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE PLAN THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE LOCKED

INTO? >> CITY MANAGER: YOU'RE NOT APROOF PROVING A STUB OUT AT THIS LOCATION.

>> HOW LOCKED INTO THE LAND OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE?

>> WE TYPICALLY HAVE STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR TOWN HOME STYLE UNITS. OBVIOUSLY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS,

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WHICH, THESE APPEAR TO MEET THOSE. IF A UNIT CHANGES BETWEEN A BUILDING HERE OR THERE, THAT WOULD NECESSARILY CONSTITUTE A MAJOR CHANGE AS IT RELATES TO THE PDD. AS THEY GO PUTTING A WHOLE BUNCH OF UNITS TOGETHER OR INCREASING THE NUMBER OF UNITS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY TRIGGER A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE PDD WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: CAN WE HAVE THE DEVELOPER COME UP AND ANSWER

QUESTIONS? >> CITY MANAGER: IT'S YOUR

DISCRETION. >> IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?

>>> GOOD EVENING, FRED BASS WITH THE FORESIGHT GROUP. THE CLEVELAND BROTHERS ARE THE DEVELOPER.

>> YEAH, I WANTED TO SPEAK A BIT TO THE PROJECT ITSELF, HOW IT WILL LOOK AS FAR AS BUILDING MATERIAL THE, POSSIBLE, AND WILL IT BLEND HARMONIOUSLY, IN WHAT'S IN MOORES MILL AND THE PDD

CURRENTLY? >> YEAH. THE PREVIOUS, I THINK THERE'S A RENDERING, JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN SUBMITTED DID NOT HAVE A STUB AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PDD PLAN WHICH WAS JUST ON THE SCREEN THERE. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PDD PLAN. THIS WAS REVISED TO INCLUDE THE STUB AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAFF. AND SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING CONFUSED ON IF THERE'S A STUB OR NOT. THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT DID NOT HAVE A STUB. WE ENDED UP ADDING IT FOR THAT PLAN AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE PROPOSING IT IF IN THE EVENT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE STUB. HERE'S COLOR RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED TOWN HOMES. IT'S FOR THE BOARD AS WELL, ON THE ELEVATIONS. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, UM, SOMETHING SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, THE, TO SAY THAT AT THE FRONT OF THE ROCK FENCE, YOU HAVE THE OLDER TOWN HOMES THAT ARE ALL BRICK AND ACROSS THE STREET, THE NEWER ONES ARE ALL EFFACE. THIS ONE IS NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE EITHER ONE OF THOSE EXACTLY. BUT, TO THE SAME LEVEL, THE QUALITY AND CRAFTSMANSHIP AND ARCHITECTURAL LOOKING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PLANE FACES. SO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO, THAT WE'LL HAVE PULL-IN GARAGES WITH PARKING IN FRONT OF THEM. BUT, THAT'S, THAT'S, WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR APPROVAL.

>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND ELEVATION OF

THE PROPERTY? >> SO, THESE WILL BE TWO-STORY UNITS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, UM, THEY WILL, THE, WAY WE MEASURE HEIGHT IN AUBURN IN REGARDS TO ZONING IS TO THE EVE HEIGHT.

SO, ON THE EVE HEIGHT OF THESE, THEY'RE PROBABLY LESS THAN 12 FEET, YOU KNOW, TO THE TOP OF ROOF IS PROBABLY YOU KNOW, 22-24 ELEVATION JUST IN REGARDS TO THE TOP. SO, BUT, THEY WILL BE TWO-STORY STRUCTURES. IN REGARDS TO LIKE OUR SETBACKS, WE WERE SHOWING A 24-FOOT SETBACK IN REALITY BY CODE, WE REALLY ONLY NEED A 12-FOOT. SO, WHERE WE'VE DONE IT AT 24-FEET, WE'RE TWICE THE SETBACK THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD. AND WHEN WE PULLED 34 OFF OF THAT, WE'RE ALMOST THREE TIMES AS FAR AS AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY AS WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY CODE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST AS MUCH YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BODY OF WORK ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS THE CLEVELAND BROTHERS HAVE DONE I THINK HAS SET THE STANDARDS FOR WHAT WE EXPECT DEVELOPMENT TO LOOK LIKE IN AUBURN, WHAT EVERYBODY TRIES TO ACHIEVE. I THINK THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WILL BE NO DIFFERENT. WE'RE STILL GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT SAME HIGH-END PRODUCT AND THAT SAME HIGH-LEVEL OF LOOK AND APPEAL TO IT. BUT, WE USUALLY GO, YOU KNOW, THEY USUALLY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND IN REGARDS TO PRESENTATION FOR THE LOOK AND FEEL FOR WHAT THEY EXPECT THEIR PRODUCT TO LOOK LIKE.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A IF HE FOR YOU OR STAFF, BUT, AS FAR AS THE WETLAND AREAS IN THIS SPOT, IT'S CONSIDERED OPEN SPACE, WILL THERE BE ANY CHANGES TO THAT AREA?

>> SO, WE DO HAVE JURISDICTIONAL STREAMS AND WETLANDS ON THE SITE. THERE'S A STREAM AND A FLOOD PLANE THAT IS GOVERNED FEDERALLY, THE FLOOD PLANE AND THE STREAMS AROUND

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WETLANDS ON THE SITE. SOME OF THOSE WILL BE MITIGATED. WE'LL REMOVE THE CULVERT CROSSINGS AND CONSOLIDATE THEM INTO ONE LOCATION. THE OPEN WATER MAN-MADE POND IN THE FRONT WILL GO AWAY. IT WILL BE RAISED. BUT, WE'LL DO THAT ALL WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS NATIONWIDE PERMIT.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS. SO, THERE'LL BE SOME, BUT, FOR THE MOST PART THE STREAM GOING THROUGH THERE WILL BE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE TWO CULVERTS AND ADD ONE NEW CROSSING, SO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WILL BE LESS IMPACTS TO THE STREAM THAN THERE IS NOW.

>> THE BACKYARDS OF THESE TOWN HOMES, WILL THERE BE ACTIVITIES BACK THERE, WILL THERE BE PATIOS AND FIREPLACES AND THAT

KIND OF THINGS. >> WELL, THE FLOOR PLANS HAVE A COVERED PATIO IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOMES. IF YOU GO TO THE PICTURE OF THE MAGNOLIAS IN THE BACK. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE PICTURE THE BACKYARDS. THIS IS WHAT, THE FOOT PRINT OF THE HOUSE INCORPORATES A COVERED PATIO. WE EXPECT THERE TO BE ABOUT 15 FEET OF USEABLE YARD OUTSIDE OF THAT PATIO. AND ON THE BACK, BACKING UP TO THE WEST, WE WOULD HAVE THE DOUBLE ROW OF MAGNOLIAS PLANTED BACK THERE. FOR THE MOST PART, THIS PRODUCT TYPE, USUALLY THERE'S RESTRICTIONS OF, YOU DON'T HAVE OUTSIDE, YOU TEND TO GOVERN THE EXTERIOR FURNITURE LIKE TRAMPOLINES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, THESE ARE TEND TO -- THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE, MARKETED AND USUALLY FOR THE MOST PART, EMPTY NESTERS, RETIREES, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HAVING A YARD AND DON'T HAVE KIDS. SO, THAT'S WHAT THESE TEND TO GO WITH. SO, YOU USUALLY DON'T HAVE THE OUTDOOR STUFF LIKE YOU TEND TO HAVE WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME BACK THERE. BUT, WE EXPECT 15-FEET OF USEABLE YARD AREA IN THE BACK AND, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING BUFFER TO, UM, BUFFER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WANT TO SIT ON THEIR PATIO, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, JUST AS MUCH AS THE EXISTING NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS WANT TO SEE THEM. SO, USUALLY WE TRY AND PROVIDE THAT WITH BUFFERING AND GRADES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. ON THE WESTERN SIDE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS IT SITS ABOVE AND THAT PROPERTY BREAKS EAST AND SOUTH. SO, IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, AS THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THOSE HOMES WILL PROBABLY BE, EVERYWHERE SURROUNDING US, UPSTREAM OR ADJACENT TO US IS DRAINING TO US. THEY'RE DRAINING ONTO US, THEY'RE ABOVE US, OKAY, DRAINING TO US. SO, WE'RE GOING TO BE BELOW THEM FOR THE MOST PART. AT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER THERE, WE'LL PROBABLY BE PRETTY CLOSE TO GRADE. BUT, WHEN YOU'RE UP TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES WILL PROBABLY BE THREE TO FIVE FEET BELOW THE ADJACENT PEOPLE.

WE'LL BE SITTING DOWN FOR THE MOST PART. THE LAST ONE MAYBE EVEN, NOT ABOVE OR BELOW IT BUT CLOSE TO EVEN WE START TO GET BACK INTO THOSE GRADES. BECAUSE, WE'RE GOING TO BE DROPPING THAT AREA AND A LOT OF THAT DIRT WILL BE USED TO FILL IN THE MAN-MADE POND IN THE FRONT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS?

>> I WANTED TO ASK. >> MAYOR ANDERS: YES, MA'AM.

>> SO, CAN YOU ADDRESS, MAYBE SOME OF THE ISSUES OR SOMEBODY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT MS. WILSON WHEN SHE CAME UP

THAT SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT? >> CITY MANAGER: YOU WERE REFERRING TO JOGGERS, AND WALKING?

>> AND THE GOLF CARTS. AND EVERYTHING.

>> ENGINEER FRASER CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT. SHE'S LOOKING AT THE SIDEWALK IN THE AREA. AND, WE LONG HAD PEOPLE, UM, WHO ARE NOW INTERESTED IN SIDEWALK WHO WERE MAYBE NOT PREVIOUSLY INTERESTED IN SIDEWALK. BUT, NOW, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. SO, THERE IS SOME NOTION, ALLISON, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING? WE CAN NOT GUARANTY THIS WILL HAPPEN AT THIS TIME, BUT, IT'S A THOUGHT.

>> YES. THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT SIDEWALK ALONG OGLETREE ROAD AND IT IS MY HOPE THAT WE COULD GET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT UP TO ROCK FINS ROAD. WE RECENTLY EXTENDED SIDEWALK AROUND ROCK FENCE TO OGLETREE. SO, THERE'LL BE A

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SMALL GAP BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND OGLETREE ROAD.

THAT'S OUR HOPE. BUT, THERE ARE NO PLANS, CURRENTLY FOR SIDEWALK

ON STINNSON COURT. >> I HOPE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT THE CITY ENGINEER IS BEING SHY ABOUT IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD PAY FOR THAT OR IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THAT. BUT, WE WOULD WORK ON THAT. BUT, WE DO PUT IN SIDEWALKS IN THE BUDGETING REQUEST. BUT, IN THIS VICINITY WE HAVE FOLKS THAT WANT OTHER CONNECTIONS AND WANT OTHER THINGS AND SOMETIMES WE PARTNER WITH HOAS WHO WANT THESE THINGS TO SPLIT IT IF WE CAN. AND ONE ADVANTAGE OF OGLETREE IS IT'S NOT A INTERSECTION AT THIS TIME. SO, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO GET IN SIDEWALK AND WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF DRAINAGE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL LOOK AT BUT WE CAN NOT IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS. AND GOLF CARTS WE TALKED ABOUT AND TRAFFIC VOLUMES WOVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. >> I HAVE JUST A FOLLOW ON FOR COUNCIL WOMAN TAYLOR AND IT MAY NOT INVOLVE YOU AT ALL.

>> WE'LL SEE. >> YES. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ONE OF THE CITIZEN'S CONCERNS WAS THE CONNECTIVITY POSSIBILITY THAT WOULD ALLOW GOLF CARTS TO GO FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THROUGH TO STINNSON. BUT, AS IT STANDS NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT STUB OUT IS NOW OFF THE TABLE?

>> RIGHT NOW IT'S IN. IT'S, IT'S A STAFF COMMENT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO PHYSICALLY REMOVE IT AS PART OF YOUR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD FROM HERE.

>> THE DEVELOPER'S GOOD WITH IT.

>> YES. >> AND THE DEVELOPER IS GOOD

WITH IT IF IT'S OFF THE TABLE. >> IT'S BACK TO, IF YOU IGNORED GOLF CARTS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S A STATEMENT ABOUT GOLF CARTS IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT, ALSO THE CITY ENGINEER IS REFERRING TO EVEN ON FOOT, A PERSON COULDN'T GET TO THIS SUBDIVISION WITHOUT GOING TO OGLETREE AND BACK UP AND BACK.

THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION. THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. BUT, THE DEVELOPER IS WILL TO GO DO EITHER.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ARE YOU GOOD? >> YES. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: MR. BASSWOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, COUNCIL, WE'RE STILL ASKING QUESTIONS, MAKING COMMENTS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? YES, SIR, MR. GRISWOLD?

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ENGINEER, DOES THE TRAFFIC STUDY INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF

THELAKE OGLETREE AREA? >> THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT. HOWEVER, THE CITY ENGINEER LOOKED AT TRAFFIC RELATIVE TO THE LAKE WILLMOR TRAFFIC AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY. IN TERMS OF BUILDING THE RECREATIONAL CENTER IT WAS LOOKED AT, AND ALLISON WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT YOU LOOKED AT VOLUMES IN THAT AREA?

>> YES, WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ON LAKE WILLMOR, ASSUMED THAT SCHOOL WOULD NOT BE IN SESSION FOR THE MOST PART.

WE HAVE A THREE LANE SECTION WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE ON LAKE WILLMOR. BUT, WE EXPECT DELAYS BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS

TO THE PROJECT. >> SO, YOU MEAN AT THE LOWER END OF GROWTH HILL ROAD NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH CONNECTING INTO THE SUBDIVISION BUT AT THE SCHOOL AND FIRE STATION?

>> YES. >> DO NOT WRITE THIS, THE MEDIA OR ANYBODY, THE ROAD DOES NOT CONNECT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TO LAKE WILLMOR PROPERTY IN ANY WAY. BUT, IT'S REFERRED TO BUY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO, SHE'S SAYING THERE'LL BE DELAYS GETTING OUT OF THERE FOR SURE, IN THE EVENING HOURS. BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY BY CAR.

KENTWOOD IS A POTENTIAL CONNECTION AND SO IS GROVE HILL.

>> THERE WAS A DELAY WHEN WE STUDIED IT BEFORE THIS

DEVELOPMENT CAME INTO PLAY. >> YES. YES. THE TWO ARE UNRELATED. IT IT WOULD BE AT THE COUNSEL'S DISCRETION WETHER

OR NOT OTHER OPTIONS OPEN. >> MAYOR ANDERS: IT MIGHT BE

THE CITIZENS. >> IT'S NOT STAFF'S DISCRETION,

HOW ABOUT THAT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT IF A MULTIPLE PURPOSE PATH OR WHATEVER IS BUILT ACROSS THIS PRIVATE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THAT,

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THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED WITH IT, BASICALLY, GOLF CARTS OR WHATEVER. BUT, WHEN IT CONNECTS TO STINNSON, SO, AT THAT POINT IT BECOMES THE CITY'S POSSIBILITY TO POLICE.

>> AND IT GETS ON A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IF THAT CONNECTION IT MADE, YOU HAVE OTHER PROPERTY TO

GET THROUGH. YES. >> SO, THE RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPTION OF REPORTING OR TAKING NOTE OF VIOLATIONS AND GOLF CARTS ON THE ROAD AND CALLING INTO THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER OR

WHATEVER. >> THEY DO, AND THEY DO

FREQUENCY IN THIS AREA. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A VOTE OF 6-3, CAN YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT THE OBJECTIONS OF THE THREE WERE?

>> MR. HOWARD? >> I WOULD JUST SUMMARIZE THAT A LOT OF THE OBJECTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE IT THREE DISSENTING VOTES FROM SIMILAR TO THE COMMENT THAT IS YOU WOULD RECEIVE FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, OBVIOUSLY, THE TRAFFIC QUESTION WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD ARISEN, WE HADN'T RECEIVED THAT TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE TIME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT, THOSE

WERE SOME OF THE COMMENTS >> AND I WOULD SAY OVERREACHING CONCERNS HEIGHTS AND THINGS THAT MR. BASSWOOD EXPLAINS. A LOT OF IT IS CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT OF STRUCTURES, DENSER STRUCTURES BACKING UP TO LESS DENSITY. LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING AND

THAT KIND OF THING. >> AND ONE CONCERN WHICH WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SCHOOLS. I THINK, CHECKING CAPACITY THAT BOTH OF SCHOOLS AT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ZONED FOR AS OGLETREE AND ORDINARILY, BOTH ARE APPROXIMATELY 100 STUDENTS UNDER CAPACITY. I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A SCHOOL-AGED GENERATOR TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD.

MEANING NOT A LOT, I THINK IT'S GEARED TOWARD A RETIREMENT TYPE OF COMMUNITY OR FOLKS THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE SCHOOL-AGED KIDS.

SO, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO, I DID WANT TO ADDRESS THAT ALONG SIDE SCHOOL BUS SAFETY. YOU KNOW, THIS DOES REQUIRE A RIGHT TURN LANE OFF OF OGLETREE SIMILAR TO THE EAST LAKE TOWN HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER THERE. BUT, WE DO HAVE SCHOOL BUSES THAT STOP ON SOME OF OUR ROADS THROUGHOUT OUR TOWN, UNFORTUNATELY. THERE IS A RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE THAT WILL BE THERE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFERING FOR THE SCHOOL BUS TO BE ABLE TO TURN INTO AND GET ON THE BUS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THOSE WERE QUESTIONS WHICH WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE

PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: PLEASE. >> OTHER THAN THE STINNSON DRIVE, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE INTERCONNECTIVITY.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS HIGHLY DEVELOPED ON THE WESTSIDE AND THE SOUTHSIDE. IS THE CITY OR A WILLING SELLER OR DEVELOPER HAVE ANYWAY TO EXTEND STINNSON DRIVE IN THE FUTURE OR ANY OTHER

INTERCONNECTIVITY? >> WELL, WE'RE TALKING, GREG, IF YOU COULD BRING UP SOMETHING, A SITE LOCATION MAP, WHATEVER WE'VE GOT. YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT, BETWEEN THE AREA MARKED AS AREA L IN THE GREEN. YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT THE INABILITY, YOU'VE GOT TO GET THROUGH ADJACENT PROPERTY TO DO ANYTHING BEFORE YOU GET INTO THAT. SO, UNTIL WE KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING DO DEVELOP, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO CONNECT OR WHO IS GOING TO BUY. AND THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH STINNSON, ULTIMATELY, STUB OUT OR NOT IS UP TO YOU. THIS IS ULTIMATELY,

A POLICY DECISION OF YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER

FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> MR. MAYOR, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I APPRECIATE ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE I'VE HAD ON THE ISSUE. IT'S BEEN A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE AND TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I HOPE THAT I'VE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF YOU. IT'S BEEN A TOUGH DECISION FOR THIS FOR OUR WARD IN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY BUT, OVER ALL, I'VE, THE CONCERNS THAT WE WERE BROUGHT FORWARD, I FEEL LIKE, HOPEFULLY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE CONCERNS FOR YOU

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TONIGHT. WHETHER IT BE THE TRAFFIC AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE REQUIREMENTS THERE ON OGLETREE ROAD THAT ARE COMING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND THE CAPACITY THERE. BUT, TOO, THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THE DEVELOPER'S WORKED TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THE SURROUNDING N NEIGHBORS WITH THE ADDITIONAL SETBACKS AND THE 15-FOOT BUFFER YARDS AND WHAT NOT. HOPEFULLY, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT WHICH WILL BE PLEASING FOR ALL MUCH OUR NEIGHBORS AROUND THIS AREA. SO, WE WORKED HARD TO TRY AND FIND A WAY THAT WOULD A BALANCE FOR THIS AREA. SO, I APPRECIATE THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE DEVELOPERS AND ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT. AND THAT SAID, I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS TONIGHT. I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STUB OUT TAKEN AWAY, OR, NOT REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS CONDITION. I DO THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. AND, UM, I DO NOT WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANY ADDITIONAL GOLF CART TRAFFIC THROUGH THIS AREA. I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS AS WELL. I UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTIVITY PART OF IT, BUT, I THINK THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE GOLF CART TRAFFIC THROUGH MOORES MILL. AND I DON'T CARE WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT MORE THAN WE HAVE. AGAIN, THANKS FOR REACHING OUT AND ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS FOR THE CITY STAFF, AND THE NEIGHBORS, AND THE DEVELOPER.

SO, THANK YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. MS. CROUCH FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD, WE MENTIONED EARLIER AN AMENDED VERSION OF THIS. SO, HOW DO WE NEED TO PROCEED IN.

>> >> SO, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. IF YOU'RE INCLINED, SOMEBODY WOULD MOVE TO AMEND. BECAUSE THAT WAS APPROVING AS PRESENTED.

>> CORRECT. >> TO ADD CONDITIONS PER THE LETTER DATED, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY THE BUILDING SETBACK AND THE BUFFERING ADJOINING DEVELOPMENTS, CONDITIONS AND YOU CAN THEN ALSO SAY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, IF COUNCILMAN COBLENTZ IS GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION OR SOMEONE ELSE IS TO THEN REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A STUB OUT TO THE NORTH.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: SO, WE NEED A MOTION FOR THE AMENDED?

>> SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MOVE TO AMEND TO ADD A CONDITION.

>> AND I WOULD DO THAT, IT'S NICE THAT YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE DEVELOPER, YOU COULD REFER TO THAT AND THAT MEANS THEY'RE AGREEING TO IT. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT YOU CAN'T CONDITION ZONINGS, BUT, YOU CERTAINLY CAN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. THAT'S WHY IT'S AN ORDER.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: SO, WE'LL ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND IN

>> NO. JUST AN AMENDMENT. >> MAYOR ANDERS: JUST AN

AMENDMENT. >> A MOTION TO AMEND IS ALL

THAT YOU NEED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO AMEND THE PDD PER THE LETTER IN THE PACT FROM THE DEVELOPER THE RECORDING SETBACK ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. THE BUFFERING ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND THE ELIMINATION OF THE STUB OUT TO

THE NORTH. >> THAT WORKS.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION. IS A VOICE VOTE OKAY ON THIS?

>> GO AHEAD AND ROLL CALL BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN ORDINANCE FORMAT. I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS.

>> DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY

DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL? >> I AGREE WITH MAX ON TAKING OUT THE STUB OUT THERE. FROM A SAFETY STAND POINT OR LAW ENFORCEMENT STAND POINT, YOU WANT TO HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T LIKE THAT AND I KNOW THAT ALLISON DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT, I CAN'T STAND NEIGHBORHOODS WITH FOUR OR FIVE WAYS IN AND OUT OF IT. IF SOMEBODY COMMITS A CRIME, YOU SIT THERE AND WAIT ON THEM TO COME BACK OUT. I'M ALL

IN FAVOR FOR IT. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF, WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, MAN. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> OKAY. ROLL CALL. >> ADAMS?

>> YES. >> COBLENTZ?

>> YES. DAWSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> GRISWOLD? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MORMON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> PARSONS? >> YES.

>> TAYLOR? >> YES.

>> WITTEN? >> YES.

>> ANDERS? YES. >> NOW DO WE NEED TO VOTE?

>> YES. AS AMENDED. >> MAYOR ANDERS: WE DON'T NEED

A MOTION, RIGHT? >> CITY MANAGER: ANY

DISCUSSION? >> MAYOR ANDERS: ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> COULD WE STATE WHAT WE'RE

VOTING ON NOW? >> CITY MANAGER: SO, NOW YOU'RE VOTING TO APPROVE THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT CONDITION AS REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE STUB OUT, AND PER THE CLEVELAND BROTHER'S LETTER DATED OCTOBER 13TH, A BUILDING SETBACK OFF THE WEST PROPERTY LINE WILL BE INCREASED FROM 25 FEET TO 35 FEET AND BUFFERING ADJOINING DEVELOPMENTS ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, A DOUBLE ROAD MAGNOLIA TREES AND THEN, A

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LANDSCAPE STRIPPED AND ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE THEY WILL INSTALL A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPING TO BUFFER THE ROAD.

>> WHAT WE'RE DOING IS VOTING ON PUTTING AREA A AND AREA L

INTO THE PDD. >> CORRECT.

>> WHICH IS 3 -- WHICH WILL BE 348 TOTAL ACRES, THE PDD IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT OR DEVICE THAT THE CITY USES TO HOLD DEVELOPERS FEET TO THE FIRE, IF YOU WILL. IT BENEFITS THE CITY.

>> AND THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THE CITY CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES

OF ENGAGEMENT ON THAT EITHER. >> WELL, THAT'S MY POINT.

EXACTLY. SO, WHAT DOES THE DEVELOPER GET OUT OF IT? THE DEVELOP EVER GETS CONSISTENCY. BUT, IT'S AN UNUSUAL THING FOR A DEVELOPER TO ASK THEIR FEET BE HELD TO THE FIRE. BUT, IF THEY GET CONSTANTSY OUT OF THAT, THEY WOULD GET IT. WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT? WHY PUT 348 ACRES INTO THE PDD, OR, THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE TO EQUAL 348? SO, UM, I'M TAKING IT ON ADVICE FROM THE CITY THAT THIS PROVIDES CONSTANTSY FOR THE DEVELOPER AND MAKES GOOD SENSE.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WANT TO THANK YOU, MAX FOR YOUR HARD WORK. YOU'VE BEEN DEDICATED AND HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND LISTENED TO THE RESIDENTS AND WORKED IN THE SITUATION, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. MAN, YOU DID A GOOD JOB.

>> I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM A LOT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANYTHING ELSE? ROLL CALL?

>> ADAMS? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COBLENTZ? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> PARSONS? >> YES.

>> TAYLOR? >> YES.

>> WITTEN IN >> YES. ANDERS?

[10.a. Conditional use approvals. Planning Commission recommendations. Public hearings required. ]

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT THAT'S THE END OF THE ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, ITEM 10 A 1, A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT P USE AND BREWERY AND EVENT SPACE FOR PROPERTY LOW LOCATED IN THE EAST ZONING DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST BY A VOTE OF 6-1 AT IT'S OCTOBER 12TH HEARING, A

PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AT THIS TIME WE WILL HOPE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US OUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> I'M SORRY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW FOR A

DEVELOPMENT ITEM. >> I'M SORRY. I WAS AT THE

WRONG STOP. >> THERE'S CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS AT THE END. AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

>> MY BAD. >> MAYOR ANDERS: YOU'RE FINE.

ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN FOR ITEM 10-A 1. ANY

DISCUSSION FOR THE COUNCIL? >> YES. MEGAN, IS THE

DEVELOPER HERE? >> I BELIEVE SO.

>> CAN YOU COME FORWARD? >> YES.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HAVE A

FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> BRIAN STONE, 686 NORTH DEAN

ROAD. >> COULD YOU GIVE US A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF YOUR VISION OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TO HERE,

BRINGING IN THE BREWERY? >> I HAVE THE BOARDS BACK THERE. HOLD ON A SECURE, GREG, DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE? SO WE SHOULD HAVE THE ARTISTIC REPRESENTEDERING.

>> KEEP GOING. >> SO, THE BIG WE HAVE A PIZZA THERE IN THE MIDDLE BUILDING. THEY HAVE LOCATIONS IN LAGRANGE AND PEACH TREE CITY. WILDVILLE BREWERY WILL BE OCCUPYING BUILDING THREE IN THE BOTTOM LEVEL AND AN EVENT SPACE ON TOP

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OF THAT. OUR KIND OF DEVELOPMENT CENTERS AROUND THE GREEN SPACE. COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE ON THE FRONT.

THIS IS KIND OF OUR VISION FOR HOW THE GREEN SPACE WILL BE.

IT'S A LARGE, OUTDOOR AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BYE-BYE TO THE COAST AT ORANGE BEACH. SKUNK GULLIES, IN SANTA ROSA, AND THERE'S ONE IN NASHVILLE. THERE ARE A FEW OF THESE AROUND.

IT'S A COOL OUTDOOR VENUE TO PLAY CORN HOLE, SHUFFLE BOARD, IT WILL BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT BETWEEN THE RESTAURANT AND THE BREWERY, FENCED IN TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET A BEER, SIT OUTSIDE, AND THE DOORS WILL FLOW INTO THE GREEN SPACE AND PEOPLE CAN WALK BACK AND FORTH AND ENJOY THEMSELVES OUTSIDE.

ARCHITECTURALLY, AUBURN DIDN'T HAVE, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, WE WANTED TO MAKE OUR PROJECT UNIQUE. AND THERE'S NOT A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT IN AUBURN, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER ADJACENT TOWNS HAVE. THAT WAS THE IDEA, WE WANTED TO DO A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT LOOK. SO, BUILD THE BUILDINGS TO LOOK OLD BUT WREN V -- RENOVATED TO LOOK LIKE A MODERN INDUSTRIAL LOOK. WE JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A COOL THING FOR AUBURN. AND SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT AUBURN DOESN'T HAVE AND GIVES A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T WANT TO GO DOWNTOWN TO HAVE A PLACE TO GO THAT'S CONVENIENT ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN TO GO ENJOY THEMSELVES.

>> AND THERE'LL BE OUTDOOR SEATING AND OUTDOOR

ENTERTAINMENT THERE AS WELL. >> SURE. CAN YOU FLIP DOWN ONE MORE SIDE. DO YOU SEE THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN WILD LEAF AND

CARVELLA'S? >> YES.

>> THE IDEA IS PEOPLE WILL BE FREE TO WALK BACK AND FORTH.

>> DO YOU PLAN ON HAVING, ON THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT,

HAVING MUSIC? >> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A DAILY THING. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO CREATE ANOTHER SKY BAR SCENE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS BEEN TO WILD LEAF OR ANY OF THEIR FACILITIES, IT'S A PRETTY RELAXED ENVIRONMENT. IT WOULD BE MORE OF AN ACOUSTIC MUSIC PLAY. WE HAD SOMEBODY BRING IT UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF ROAD NOISE AND WE PUT THE EVENT AREA UP NEAR GLENN, SO, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ROAD NOISE THAT'S MUCH LOUDER THAN ANY MUSIC THAT WE WOULD PLAY IN THAT VENUE. I THINK WE CAME TO A CONDITION NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC AFTER 9:00 P.M. NO OUTDOOR, OBVIOUSLY, AMPLIFIED MUSIC THERE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR

QUESTION? >> YES. THE HOURS, WEEK DAYS WOULD BE 12-9 AND THEN FRIDAYS YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN A LITTLE BIT LATER? UNTIL 11:00 IN BUT, IN BETWEEN THAT 9:00 P.M. AND LECH P.M. MARK, YOU WOULD JUST GO WITH ACOUSTIC MUSIC, SO, NOT

AMPLIFIED? >> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AN AIRSTREAM CAMPER AND IT WILL BE CLOSED OFF AND PREVENT SOUND FROM GOING TO THE REAR AREAS AND IT WILL OPEN TOWARDS THE GREEN SPACE THERE. AND WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPE. WE WANT TO LANDSCAPE HEAVILY, BRING IN LARGE TREES AND WE'LL HAVE A FOOD TRUCK AND WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AND GAME DAY WEEKEND, WE'LL HAVE A FOOD TRUCK PARKING TO THE NORTH THERE. AND ON THOSE DAYS WHERE THERE WILL BE A LOT ACTIVITY, WE HAVE A LOT STRUCTURE SURROUNDING THE NOISE. SO, I DON'T THINK IT WILL CAUSE

DISTURBANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS. >> WOULD THAT BE WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE, OR, WOULD THAT BE REGULAR PARKING?

>> SO, THE IDEA IS THAT'S A LOADING AND UNLOADING PLACE FOR THE RESTAURANTS ON THE DAILY. LIKE, IF THEY HAD A BIG GAME DAY WEEKEND AND WANTED AN EVENT THERE, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, WE COULD HAVE FOOD TRUCK VENDORS COME IN AND DO THEIR

THING. >> BUFFERING.

>> YES? >> BUFFERING AROUND THE PROPERTY, IT'S JUST, BASED OFF LOOKING ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AT, UM -- CAN YOU SCROLL OVER? ? YES.

>> THE PRETTY ONE. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'LL BE A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER ON THE BACK END THERE. THAT ACTUALLY

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CONNECTS UP TO AN ALLEY. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE CITY WHICH IS ALREADY PRETTY HEAVILY OR DENSELY, UM, FORESTED. SAME THING ON THE SIDE THAT BACKS UP TO THESE DUPLEXES? YOU WOULD LEE THE TREES THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE?

>> WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO GRADING YET. THIS IS A SMALL SITE AND WE KNOW THERE'S A ROCK THERE. SO, IT'S, I MEAN, BUT, DEFINITELY, I MEAN, I'M SURE, ARE THERE BUFFERING

REQUIREMENTS? >> THERE ARE BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENTS. THE LANDSCAPING WILL BE A KEY COMPONENT. WE BROUGHT IN A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO GET US TO THIS POSITIVITY. I MEAN, BEING AN OUTDOOR SPACE, I MEAN, THAT'S THE VIBE THAT WE WANT FOR THE PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED TO GET WHERE WE WANT TO GO FROM A VISION STAND POINT.

>> AND YOU'LL BE UTILIZING SOME OF THE PARKING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT OVER WHERE THIS OFFICE IS? ON THE CORNER OF NOT, THORP, BUT, ON THE CORNER OF CHERRY STREET, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> SO, INITIALLY WITH THE PRO PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY WERE NEEDING TO UTILIZE OUR SHARED PARKING WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO SHARE FIVE SPACES WITH THE OFFICE SPACE. IN THIS SLIGHTLY REVISED RENDERING, THEY LOWERED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESTAURANT SO THAT WITH THAT THEY CAN MEET ALL OF THE REQUIRED PARKING ON THE SITE. STAFF BELIEVES THAT ALL PARKING CAN BE MET ON-SITE AS BEING PRESENTED HERE.

>> AND SPEAKING TO THAT, TOO, ASSUMING THE USES REMAIN, IT'S GREAT FROM A PARKING STAND POINT BECAUSE OFFICE PEOPLE GENERALLY AREN'T DRINKING AT A BREWERY DURING OFFICE HOURS. SO, IN THIS SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, THERE SHOULD BE AMPLE PARKING.

EVEN THOUGH WE MEET THE REQUI REQUIREMENTS AS IS, THERE SHOULD BE AMPLE PARKING.

>> WHAT SORT OF BUFFERING DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING ON THE, UM, DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED, HERE, IS THAT EAST? OR? THE, UM, ON THE BACK END OF THIS, OF THE OFFICE PARKING?

>> THE NORTH OR THE OFFICE, WHICH ONE ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

LEFT, RIGHT? >> LEFT.

>> LEFT ALONG CHERRY STREET? >> BEHIND THE TOWN HOMES?

>> NOT BEHIND THE TOWN HOMES BUT

>> THE BACKWARDS L-SHAPE. >> IT WOULD BE ADJACENT. YOU MEAN THE BUFFERING ON THE PARKING LOT THERE?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO IT BUT WE WOULD BE OPEN TO WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION YOU WOULD HAVE.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT OUR DEVELOPMENT LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL HOUSES NOR DO THEY WANT TO BE LOOKING AT US. WE WOULD BE OPEN TO DOING THAT. CERTAINLY IF WE GOT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT INTO THE PLANS, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT HE

WOULD HAVE BUFFER YARDS THERE. >> THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING LOT BUFFERING. SO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THOSE FOR

SURE. >> AND THAT WILL TAKE PLACE AT

ANOTHER STAGE IN THE PROCESS? >> CORRECT.

>> AND YOU GUYS, AT THAT POINT, YOU GUYS RECOMMEND LIKE A CERTAIN TYPE OF PLANNING OR CERTAIN TYPE OF BUFFERING AT

THAT POINT? >> SO, WE HAVE DIFFERENT KIND OF LEVELS SO TO SPEAK. AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR BUFFERING.

KIND OF DEPENDING ON THE WIDTH OF THE YARD. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REVIEW IN THE PLANS AN IF ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS NEED TO BE MADE, WE HAD DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO WANT A SUBSTANTIAL SCREENING THERE.

>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> NOW, LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING HERE, IT ALSO APPEARED THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT'S DIRECTLY OFF CHERRY STREET, YOU HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE, THERE'S A DECELL LANE THAT IS BUILT IN MAKING A

RIGHT ONTO CHERRY STREET? >> RIGHT.

>> AND ALSO I'LL BRING THIS UP LATER, BUT, YOU'VE ALSO AGREED TO WIDEN CHERRY ON THIS END SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET IN A

RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE? >> RIGHT AN A LEFT DEDICATED

OUT. >> A DEDICATED LEFT-HAND TURN

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LANE? >> BASICALLY OUR DECELL LANE WILL RAMP UP AND THE OFFSET WOULD BE ALL ON OUR SIDE. NOT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD AS WE WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. SO, YOU WOULD HAVE A RIGHT IN AND THEN A LEFT OUT AND A RIGHT OUT.

>> HE PUT THIS IN AN E-MAIL THIS AFTERNOON, I APOLOGIZE, I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH ALL OF YOU. THE CITY ENGINEER HAD IT AT 2:00. I DIDN'T GET TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, BUT, HE'S AGREED TO THAT IN WRITING BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WISH TO CONDITIONALIZE, I THINK IT'S THERE.

>> IT'S NOT TOO COSTLY IMPROVEMENT TO MAKE. OUR PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN HERE AND DRINK BEER.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU

OFFERING THAT UP AS WELL. >> THIS MAYBE AN ENGINEER QUESTION, BUT, THERE ARE SO MANY REFERENCES THAT THERE'S GOING TO

BE A STUB OUT ON THE EAST? >> WE'RE AGREEABLE TO IT. YOU SEE THE DUMPSTER SITE. IT WILL BE SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT LINE, WE

AGREED TO STUB THERE. >> NUMBER NINE IS THE DUMPSTER SITE. AND THIS IS BACK TO CROSS ACCESS SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, YOU SEE BEGINNINGS OF THIS IN SOUTH COLLEGE IS A BETTER EXAMPLE OF THIS. WHERE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE FROM SITE TO SITE, ASSUMING THE ADJACENT SITE DEVELOPING IN A SIMILAR FASHION WHERE WE HAVE CROSS ACCESS, WHERE NOT EVERYONE IS GETTING OFF ON GLENN. . SO, IT'S GOING PARKING LOT TO PARKING LOT.

>> AND IF THERE WAS AN ADJACENT SIDE THAT WAS DEVELOPED, THE CONNECTIVITY THERE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT PUTTING, UM, PULLING ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC ONTO CHERRY STREET WITH AN ADJACENT SIDE.

WE'RE MORE THAN LIKELY DOING A, LIKELY THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS AND YOU COULD SEE IN THE BOTTOM OF THIS DRAWING THERE'S A MEDIAN BREAK IN THAT VICINITY AND ONE OF THE REASONS THE CHERRY STREET IS DRIVEN ON THIS ONE THE RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT, IF YOU PUT ACCESS ON GLENN AND DIDN'T ARE A MEDIAN BREAK, YOU WOULD HAVE PEOPLE MAKING TURNS AND GETTING BACK OUT. AS LONG AS THE ADJACENT TURN CUTS A LINE WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE POCKETS, THAT

TENDS TO MAKE MORE SENSE. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANYBODY ELSE?

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IF I MAY.

>> SO, THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS, ONE THROUGH NINE ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, THEY'RE TWO-STORY, CORRECT?

>> YES. >> IN THE BUFFERING PROCESS, DO, IS THE BUFFERING TO ANTICIPATE FOR THAT TYPE OF

HEIGHT? >> IT DOES NOT. MEANING, IT'S A LAND USE INTENSITY SITUATION. AND THOSE ARE DUPLEXES AND THESE ARE TOWN HOME THE WITH MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT. REALLY. SO, IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS, INCLUDING, WE TALKED IN THE WORK SESSION ABOUT IMPERVIOUS WORK SESSION. BUT, CANOPY TREE ARE SOMETIMES REQUIRED. ONE THING TO CAUTION, GREAT QUESTION, THE ONLY THING UNDER CONSIDERATION IS THE BREWERY AND EVENT CENTER BECAUSE THE MULTIFAMILY HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVE. BUT, DUALLY NOTED BY STAFF AND DEVELOPER.

>> WE HAVE PICTURES, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THE MULTIFAMILY. BUT, THE IDEA IS TO MAKE THE FOOTPRINT AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE. AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT FEEL. IT'S MORE OF A COLONIAL STYLE, AND I HAVE PICTURES THAT I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU. IF YOU WANT.

>> SO, ARCHITECTURALLY, OUR PLAN WAS TO GO UP AND IT WOULD LOOK BETTER FOR OUR BUILDINGS AND THAT. SO, IT WOULD GIVE US THE LANDSCAPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? >> I WOULD SAY. BOB. I JUST WANT TO RESPOND. THAT, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS ON THE GIS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE BACK ENDS OF THESE DUPLEX ARE ALSO HALF OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE HEAVILY WOODED ANYWAY. I THINK THERE'LL BE NATURAL BUFFER.

>> THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THAT, UM, YOU HAVE CONSIDERED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT

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OF THINGS WITH RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. THE BUFFERS, THE TURN LANES, THE DECELERATION LANES AND THE BUSINESSES TO THE ABSOLUTELY SOUTHEAST CORNER AS FAR AS AWAY AS POSSIBLE FORT RESIDENTS. AND A POTENTIAL STUB OUT ON THE EAST. ANYWAY, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE HERE SEEMS TO KEEP THE RESIDENTS IN MIND AND TO TRY AND MAKE IT, A GOOD THING, NOT ONLY TO GO TO, BUT, TO COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT EFFORT.

>> THANK YOU. >> .

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> . >> MAYOR ANDERS: ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS A VOICE VOTE. READY? >> ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY

AYE. >> (CHORUS OF AYES) YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. BUT, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL LETTER THAT CAME IN. AND I THINK THAT YOU

WANTED TO. >> THAT'S RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.

SO, WE WANT TO AMEND. >> WE WANT TO VOTE ON THE

AMENDED. >> YOU WANT TO AMEND THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TO ADD THE CONDITIONS RELATIVE TO THE

LETTER. >> SHOULD WE JUST REFERENCE THE

E-MAIL? >> OR, YOU COULD REFERENCE THE

APT CAN'T AS WELL. >> SO, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THIS ON THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO, UM, WIDEN CHERRY STREET AT THE GLENN INTERSECTION TO ACCOMMODATE A RIGHT AND LEFT TURN OUT AS WELL AS TURN IN THREE TOTAL LINE LAINS AT THE END OF CHERRY WHERE IT MEETS GLEN AND THEY HAVE

AGREED TO RESHROUD THIS AREA. >> STILL BY VOICE OKAY?

>> WELL, YOU'RE FINE BY VOICE BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. SO, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT. TO ADD A

CONDITION. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> NOW, THE WHOLE THING. >> AND WE HAVE A MOTION THOR

THAT, RIGHT? >> SNOW OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? WE'VE HAD A LOT IT HAVE DISCUSSION SO FAR.

>> MOTION IS TO APPROVE AS AMENDED WITH THE CONDITION FOR

TURN LANES AT GLEN. >> ANYBODY, FURTHER QUESTIONS?

THOUGHTS. >> ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY

AYE. >>

(CHORUS OF AYES) >> ANY OPPOSE THE?

>> AND THAT CARRIES. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR

YOUR INVESTMENT. >> ITEM 10 A 2 IS A REQUEST FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF A PERFORMANCE DEVELOPMENT A MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATEDED AT 1758 AND 1764 MIRACLE ROAD.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT IT'S SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING. THAT IS CORRECT. AND SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND, THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION OR

QUESTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL? >> MR. MAYOR, I'LL BE ABSTAINING FROM THE VOTE ON THIS ONE.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. YES, SIR?

>> THIS, THIS IS ON SARAH LANE, RIGHT?

>> ON MIRACLE ROAD AND SARAH LANE. YES.

>> THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED ON 8/SEPTEMBER/22. ACCORDING TO CITY STAFF, WHICH WOULD BE THE OLD COUNCIL. NOT THE NEW COUNCIL. BUT, JUST BEFORE WE GOT HERE, THIS WAS APPROVED FOR 32 UNITS ON 9.21 ACRES AND THIS ADDS AN ACRE. AND IN FACT, WAY UP UNIT DECREASED TO 31 UNITS. AND IN FACT, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AN ADDITION OF ONE ACRE.

>> AND ONE LESS ACRE. AND THE DENSITY IS GOING FROM 3.47 TO 3.04, I THINK? SO, MUCH LESS DENSE, AND THE REASON FOR THE ADDING THE ONE ACRE WAS THAT THE SOIL WAS NOT SUITABLE FOR

BUILDING ON? >> YES.

>> SOME UNSUITABLE MATERIALS, SO, THEY'RE ADDING ACREAGE AND REDUCING THE MINIMUM. SNOW OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL

IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >>

(CHORUS OF AYES). >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES. >> A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF A COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USE WAREHOUSE

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DISTRIBUTION FACILITY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT IT'S OCTOBER 12TH MEETING. A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SEEING NO ONE, CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL?

>> NOTHING'S GOING TO BE TORN DOWN, RIGHT?

>> THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL NEW PIECE OF PROPERTY ALONG THE MCMILLEN STREET SIDE. IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE, NOT ABUTTING WEBSTER ROAD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[10.b. Contracts. ]

>> ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES)

>> ANY OPPOSED IN MOTION CARRIES.

>> ITEM 10 B 1, AUTHORIZES A MAX MOWER FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $295,965.43. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN COBLENTZ RECUSED HIMSELF.

>> IS IT NAMED AFTER HIM? >> THE MAX BOOM MOWER?

>> THAT'S JUST WHAT IT'S CALLED.

>> NAIR OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >>

(CHORUS OF AYES). >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OPPOSED?

MOTION CARRIES. >> AND ALLISON, LET THE RECORD REFLECT IT WAS AN 8-0 VOTE WITH MR. COBLENTZ' RECUSING.

>> OKAY. OKAY. ITEM 10 B 2 AUTHORIZES THE PURCHASE OF LED LIGHT FIXTURES TO UPGRADE VARIOUS PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,000,938.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> THIS IS BUDGETED? >> THIS IS BUDGETED AND ALSO NOT THE NEW INSTALLATION. WE HAVE A SOUL SOURCE THEY'RE THE SUPPLIER OF IT AND NOT THE INSTALLER, THAT WILL BE BID.

>> AND YOU HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE PARKS FACILITIES.

>> MR. GRISWOLD? >> YES. APPRECIATE IT. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, JUST RECAP THE LIST OF FACILITIES. BECAUSE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET STICKER SHOCK WHEN THEY HEAR THIS. SO, JUST PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THEM THE NECESSITY AND WHAT WE'RE BUYING.

>> SO, OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR KEVIN KELLEY WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT THE TYPE OF LIGHT FIXTURES THAT WE HAVE DO NOT ALLOW US FOR REPLACE THEM.

THEY'RE NOT MANUFACTURED ANYMORE. THERE'S A LIMITED SUPPLY OF LIGHT. WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE LED LIGHTS BUT INCLUDED IS THE AUBURN SOFT BALL COMPLEX, THE COMPLEX FOR NOT THE NEWEST SECTION THAT WE'VE BUILT, BUT, THE DUCK STANFORD FIELD 1-THREE. THE LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELDS, SANFORD AVENUE TENNIS PARK. AND THAT'S 2.9 MACHINED IN EQUIPMENT. THIS IS A $4 MILLION PROJECT WITH INSTALLATION AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME OF OUR PARKS PREVIOUSLY WITH OTHER LIGHTS?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS IS GOING TO BRING THE REST OF IT UP TO LED, THE METAL HEY LIGHT IS AN OLD SYSTEM BEING OBSOLETE AND THIS IS A BETTER LIGHTING AND IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR HER, NOT ONLY THE KIDS BUT THE FACILITIES.

>> WE'LL GET ENERGY SAVING THE FROM THEM AS WELL. ONE OF WHICH IS WELL, WE THINK THAT WE COULD GET A TWO-YEAR SUPPLY. THAT IS WHY I CAME TO YOU DURING THE BUDGET AND SAID THIS IS BETTER TO DO THIS NOW TO GET IT CHANGED OVER THAN TO HAVE TO ANY OTHER

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> THESE LAST A LOT LONGER, SO,

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IT WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF CHANGING OUT?

>> ABSOLUTELY, THEY'RE A LOT BRIGHTER AND MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, NOT BRIGHTER ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS, THEY POINT

DOWN. >> THEY'RE BRIGHTER.

>> THREY COME WITH A 10 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE POLES AND THAT INCLUDES LABOR. SO, THE MONEY THAT WE USED TO BUDGET FOR THAT WILL NOT BE USED. AND THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE THE CONTROLLING SYSTEM. WE HAVE STAFF HAVING TO TURN THESE LIGHTS ON AND OFF AND NOW WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH A APP ON OUR PHONE. AND WE CAN PROGRAM IT AHEAD OF TIME. SO, ANOTHER SAVINGS.

>> GOING FORWARD, LAKE WILL MAR WILL HAVE THE LED LIGHTS GOING?

>> THAT'S OUR STANDARD FOR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE BUILDING.

CITY ENGINEER FRASER WE'VE BEEN CHANGING OVER THE LIGHTS FOR A LONG TIME. AND WORKING WITH ALABAMA POWER AND THAT'S NOT OUR ONLY ELECTRIC SERVICE PROVIDER IN THE CITY TO GET THOSE CHANGED. BUT WE'RE NOT COMPLETE JUST YET, ARE WE?

>> NO, WE HAVE ABOUT 500 FIXTURES LEFT TO DO.

>> BUT, WE OWN A TOTAL OF HOW MANY STREET LIGHT FIXTURES, DO

YOU RECALL? >> 5,278.

>> WE OWN A LOT IT HAVE LIGHT FIXTURES. DAN WILL UPDATE YOU WITH HIS MILES. HE'S LOOKING IT UP RIGHT NOW. BUT, IT'S A LOT AND WE ARE COMPLETING THOSE CONVERSIONS AND WE HAVE CONVERTED IN A LOT OF PARKING LOTS IN CITY FACILITIES AND WHAT

WE COULD DO INTERNALLY AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT ALL IN

FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >>

(CHORUS OF AYES). >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OPPOSED,

MOTION CARRIES. >> AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF A MULTISTORY BURN BUILDING FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER IN THE AMOUNT OF $512,342.25.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: MOTION AND A SECOND ANY COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> JUST A QUESTION ON WHEN TO EXPECT CONSTRUCTION DATES. WE'RE EXCITED.

>> YOU'RE WANTING TO CHECK OUT OUT THE BURN BUILDING?

>> YES. >> WE'RE UNDERWAY AT THE PROPERTY AT NORTH COLLEGE I'LL HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR

MATTHEW SPEAK TO THAT. >> SO, THEY'VE STARTED THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ASPHALT FOR THE PROPERTY. THE BUILDING OUTLINE IS ACTUALLY THERE. BUT, IT'S DIRT. WE'RE STILL ROOKING AT A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE OF SEPTEMBER 20,

2024, RIGHT NOW. >> OWNED YOUAND YOU'LL NOTICE A FENCING IS BEEN PUT UP AROUND THAT.

>> SO, LET'S START BEFORE THE CLASSROOM CONSTRUCTION, OR, THE CLASSROOM CONSTRUCTION STARTING WHEN?

>> WELL, THE NEXT STRUCTURE THAT YOU WILL SEE SHOULD BE THE TRAINING TOUR WHICH IS THE SIX-STORY TOUR WE'RE EXPECTING IT TO BE DELIVERED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND CONSTRUCTED ON THE SITE. THIS IS THE BURN BUILDING AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM NINE TO 12 NUMBERS DELIVERY ON THIS.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES).

[12. CITIZENS’ OPEN FORUM]

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OPPOSED? >> MOTION CARRIES.

>> MAYOR THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEM THE OF BUSINESS FOR THE EVENING.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE CITIZENS. WE ASK THAT YOU COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL AND WE ASK THAT YOU USE PROPER DECORUM AND DO NOT CALL OUT ANY STAFF MEMBER BY NAME, PLEASE. WHO'LL BE FIRST?

YES, SIR. >> MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, I'M

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HERE TO INFORM YOU THAT THERE IS A BETTER OPTION FOR THE THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY OF ALABAMA.

>> WE NEED NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> I'M BRIAN NUEL AND I'M RUNNING FOR THE THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT OF ALABAMA.

>> ADDRESS PLEASE. >> 4104 MELANIE DRIVE, MOODY, ALABAMA, 35004. AMERICA WE HAVE A PROBLEM, STAGGERING INFLATION, SKYROCKETING DEFICIT. GOVERNMENT OVERSPENDING AND EXCESSIVELY OVER INFLATED EARMARKS AND CONGRESS IS THE PROBLEM. I KNOW THOSE CAREER POLITICIANS GO INTO OFFICE WITH NO LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE, NO TEAMWORK EXPERIENCE, ONLY LIFE SKILLS THEY HAVE IS GOING TO COLLEGE. THEY GET INTO OFFICE.

THEY KNOW THERE'S PROBLEMS BUT THEY REFUSE TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE IT WOULD GO AGAINST THE STATUS QUO AND THAT WOULD JEOPARDIZE THEIR GOALS OF BEING A CAREER POLITICIAN. IN 2014, I WAS ASSIGNED TO THE FORT USES VIRGINIA. BUT, THEY INFORMED ME THAT THEY WERE MOVING THE COURSE FROM FORT RUCKER ALABAMA TO VIRGINIA AND THAT WAS WHAT PART OF MY JOB WAS TO HELP STAND THAT UP. WHEN I GOT TO MEETING WITH THE GUYS, I TOLD THEM, WHEN WE WENT TO THE COURSE, MANY YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T GET TRAINED, IT WAS USELESS, AND SOMEBODY HAD TO FIX IT. AS WE BECAME LEADERS, WE WOULD GET SOLDIERS IN FROM FORT RUCKER, NEEDED TO BE FIXED BECAUSE THESE SOLDIERS WERE BADLY TRAINED. SO, WE HAD TO TRAIN THEM. AND WE SAID, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO FIX THIS. ALL OF A SUDDEN, HERE IT IS IN OUR HANDS. I SAID, WE CAN GO WITH THE STATUS QUO AND CONTINUE ON WITH THE TRAINING THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND CONTINUE WITH THE PROBLEM THAT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY GOT A PROBLEM. IT'S ALREADY BROKEN. OR, WE CAN GO WITH THAT OR WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BE THE ONE TOSS FIX IT FINALLY. SO, WE REWROTE EVERY LESSON PLAN AND TRAINING MODULE AND EVERY HANDS ON EXERCISE AND WE BROUGHT IN THE ADVANCED LEADERS COURSE UNDER OUR UMBRELLA. AND TO THIS DAY, I'M KNOWN AS ONE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF THE ARMY AVIATION COURSE IN FORT VIRGINIA. I WAS

PROUD TO SERVE. >> 40 SECONDS, SIR.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. I WANTED TO SERVE. IT WAS NOT RIGHT, IT WAS BROKEN. I HAVE SOLUTIONS FOR A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE. I HAVE A WEBSITE. GO TO MY WEBSITE, BRIAN 4

CONGRESS.COM. >> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU,

SIR. WHO'LL BE NEXT? >> JASON SAGER, 215, DRIVE.

WITHIN MINUTES OF COMMUNICATING WITH KELLEY ABOUT THE SIGN THE WEEK OF THE GEORGIA GAME. HE IMMEDIATELY WENT INTO ACTION AND BEST SPOKE TO THE OWNER OF 145 EAST DRAKE, TO TAKE DOWN THE F-WORD, THE DOG SIGN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RON HAS SPOKEN TO THE STUDENT GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION AND THE PROVOCE, AND MAX RESEARCHED SIGN LAWS WHICH APPLY FOR COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS. IT'S EVIDENT TO ME HOW MUCH YOU CARE ABOUT AUBURN. WHEN I ASKED THE KIDS TO TAKE DOWN THE F-WORD SIGN, THEY SAID THEY HAD THE OTHER THAN OF THE HOUSE ON THE PHONE.

AND HE SAID, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, WE'RE EAGLE. KELLEY SAID IT BEST IN OUR TEXT, YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID. I AGREE WITH KELLEY.

THIS BODY DECIDES WHAT WITH CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH YOUR PROPERTIES. I WON'T MAKE AN ARGUMENT DON'T ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL GUY DOES A GOOD JOB OF THAT.

BUT, I ASSUME THE REASON THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT SHORT TERM RENTALS IS BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR CITY TO LOOK NICE. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY HISTORIC HOUSE LLC. IN MY OPINION IT'S AN UNREGULATED ATO FRATERNITY HOUSE. I FOLLOWED YOUR ELECTIONS CLOSELY AND YOUR SUPPORTERS HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.

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SOME WANT AUBURN SMALLER. SOME WANT IT BIGGER, SOME WANT THIS BODY TO STOP ISSUES BUSINESS LICENSE. AND SOME WANT TALLER BUILDINGS, ALL THE ISSUES YOU FACE INTERSECT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY. WE FEAR IT LOSING CHARACTER AND DECAYING. WE CAN PROBABLY ALL HERE CAN AGREE, WE DON'T NEED THE F-WORD IN OUR FRONT YARDS. MY LIMITED RESEARCH LOOKS LIKE AUBURN IS NOT ALONE IN DEALING WITH THE F-WORD. MANY CITIES MADE A DELINEATION BETWEEN OTHER SWEAR WORDS. WE NEED TO PROTECT FREE SPEECH AT ALL COST AND MAINTAIN DECENCY. WE COULD DO BOTH. TONIGHT I ASK FOR TWO THINGS: HAVE THE CITY MANAGER LOOK AT AREAS AROUND AUBURN UNIVERSITY THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY MEETING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF THESE HOMES AND YARDS AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO LOOK AT. THE SECOND THING THAT I WANT IS TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO RESEARCH AND IMPLEMENT THOSE BEST PRACTICES OF LIMITING VULGAR SPEECH WHILE PROTECTING OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I GET IT, I WENT TO LSU FOR GRAD SCHOOL, SOME OF MY FRIENDS TOLD ME THEY HAD A TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE TAILGATING THERE. TEXAS A & M IS KNOWN FOR WORLD CLASS TALE GATING. IN CLOSING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE. (BELL RINGING)

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THERE MR. SAGER. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING TIME WITH YOU AFTERWARDS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO TALK. WHO WILL BE NEXT?

>> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN'S OPEN FORUM.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS OF MR. SAGER FROM HIS CONCERN. I SAW THOSE SIGNS MYSELF THAT DAY. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT OUR CITIZENS THINK OF THE SIGNS WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMAGE IT PORTRAYS OF OUR COMMUNITIES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, PLEASE RESPECT OUR FAMILIES AND OUR CHILDREN. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF PLACES IN OUR TOWN THAT HAD SIGNS. WE HAVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN IN AUBURN THAT ARE UNDER 12, 10 YEARS-OLD. AND TO READ THOSE SIGNS IS VERY UNFORTUNATE. AND, HAVE VERY DISAPPOINTED. I ENCOURAGE OUR FANS TO BE FANS AND OUR STUDENTS TO BE REPORTERS AND LET'S EXHIBIT CLASS AND DIGNITY. LET'S NOT HAVE OUR PARENTS HAVE TO EXPLAIN OUR KIDS IN THE CAR WHAT DOES THAT SIGN MEAN. I APPRECIATE THE FIRST AMEND AMENDMENT AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE TO HAVE VULGAR SIGNS FOR OUR KIDS. I APPRECIATE THE OWNERS OF THESE BUILDINGS BRINGING DOWN THOSE SIGNS TOO. I DO. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. IS THERE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Oct 17, 2023 City Council

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