8.e.2 Granicus. Renewal of Swagit public meeting live streaming and captioning services. $51,950.64.

[9.a. Zoning. The District at Richland Road PDD. Property located at the northwest corner of Shug Jordan Parkway, and Richland Road. Planning Commission recommendation. Unanimous consent necessary. Public hearing required.]

>> HE COULD IS. >> MAYOR ANDERS: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. CONSENT AGENDA

IS APPROVED. ORDINANCES. >> ITEM 9 A IS A ZONING TO THE DISTRICT OF RICHLAND ROAD PDD PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY AT VOTE OF 6-1 AT THE SEPTEMBER 4TH MEETING, UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIREDED.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A COUNCIL DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBE MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING?

>> SEEING AND HEARING NONE, BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING I WANT TO TURN THIS OVER TO COUNCILWOMAN WITTEN WHO REPRESENTS THE WARD. SHE HAS COMMENTS THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO

MAKE. MS. WITTEN? >> THIS HAS BEEN AN ON GOING CONVERSATIONS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND I HAD TO SET AWARD MEETING EARLY IN THE PROCESS AND INVITED THE APPLICANT ADD THE DEVELOPERS TO PRESENT WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO PROPOSE AND EVEN SINCE THAT MEETING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT HAVE OCCURRED WITH THE ADDITION OF STRONGER BUFFERING ON THE NORTHSIDE. AND STRONGER LANDSCAPING ON THE WEST SIDE OF

THE DEVELOPMENT. >>> I JUST ASK THAT, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE QUITE A BIT OF CONCERNS WITH, UM, TRAFFIC, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED DENSITY, AND AS WE GET INTO THIS YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SO FORTH, I WILL CERTAINLY BE ENCOURAGING STAFF OR MEGHAN, IF I COULD ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO THOSE ISSUES AFTER THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE'RE PREPARED SHOULD COUNCIL NEED, WE HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN YOUR PACKETS AND ALL THE DRAWINGS

THAT WE HAVE READY TO GO. >> AND WE ALSO DID HOST A WORK SESSION SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN LEARN IN DEPTH ADDITIONAL NUANCES ON THE PROJECT. I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT

OF DUE DILIGENCE ON OUR BEHALF. >> THE WORK SESSION IS ONLY A TIME FOR THE COUNCIL AND STAFF TO TALK ABOUT THINGS, IT WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT NO COMMENT IN THE DEVELOPERS OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED PER OUR REQUIREMENTS.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: YOU GOOD, MS. WITTEN?

>> YES. I'M GOOD. >> MAYOR ANDERS: MS. CROUCH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED CAN YOU GIVE A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE ZONING IS IN THIS WHY ARE AND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN POTENTIALLY CONSIDERED IN THIS AREA AND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE AREA.

>> I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW, BUT, THE COME PREHENCIBLE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS THE MOST FLEXIBLE IN THE CITY OF AUBURN.

IT ALLOWS EVERYTHING FROM VERY LOW DENSITY, YOU COULD HAVE THREE ACRE LOTS TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, COMMERCIAL, OFFICE, VARYING TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, SOME PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND SOME CONDITIONAL. AND SO, EVERYBODY WHO LIVES ADJACENT TO ANY PROPERTY ZONE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT MEANS THEY'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT'S

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GOING TO GO NEXT TO THEM AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE STARTED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL ZONES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

BECAUSE, THIS ZONING ORDINANCE IS PERFORMANCE, WHICH MEANS THEORETICALLY, THIS GENTLEMAN WHO WROTE THE INITIAL ORDINANCE THAT WE MODELLED OUR'S AFTER THOUGHT THAT ALL USES COULD CO-EXIST AS A FUNCTION OF BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING, BASICALLY. AND SO, THIS DISTRICT WAS CREATED EN MASSE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF AUBURN AND THIS IS A PARCEL SITTING AT TWO ARTERIAL ROADS BASICALLY THAT COULD HAVE AN ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER ON IN PLACED TOMORROW WITHOUT IT COMING BEFORE YOU OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND IT COULD ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF HOUSING TYPES AND IT COULD HAVE OFFICE AND A LOT OF THINGS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE DEVELOPER HAD CHOICES BUT OPTED TO GO FORWARD WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE REASON IN PART FOR THAT REQUEST IT IS MIXES USES THAT COINCIDE WITH OUR LAND USE PLAN AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE SET FORWARD WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, BUT, THEY DID NOT HAVE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES AS SUCH, THEY COULD HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT SUCH A PROCESS, MR. HOWARD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT?

>> NO, THAT SUMS IT UP. >> MAYOR ANDERS: THIS HAS

BEEN CDD FOR HOW LONG? >> 1984. WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS CREATEDIOUS IT'S BEEN THAT WAY THIS WHOLE TIME.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: AND BETH BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, BUT, IF WE HAVE THE ANSWERS, I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THEM.

TRAFFIC WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION DURING THE PLANNING, WHAT HAVE WE FOUND OUT ABOUT TRAFFIC AS IT RELATES TO THIS

PROJECT AS WE SIT HERE TONIGHT. >> WHAT ARE THE RESULTS OF THE

TRAFFIC STUDY? >> YES.

>> THE RESULTS IS THERE ARE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WOULD BE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SIGNAL TIMING, BUT, THE LEVELS OF SERVICE AT THE INTERSECTIONS WHICH INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT DRIVEWAY ARE ALL WITHIN OUR

ACCEPTABLE RANGES. >> YOU'RE REFERRING TO RICHMOND

AND SHUG? >> YES.

>> SO, WITHIN THE STUDY INTERSECTION WE DO A ONE-MILE RADIUS OF INTERSECTION THAT IS THEY LOOK AT. ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THAT RANGE FROM ACCEPTABLE.

>> MS. FRASER, THE CHALLENGE IS THE MORNING PEEK HOURS, IN OTHER WORDS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TO WORK AND DROPPING OFF KIDS AT SCHOOL. WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON RICHMOND ROAD RELATIVE TO THE

TRAFFIC STUDY? >> THERE SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE, THE DELAYS ARE TWO-SECOND DIFFERENCE, THOSE ARE WITHIN OUR RANGE OF BEING ACCEPTABLE. FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO EXIT THE DEVELOPMENT, WILL THEY BE WAITING AWHILE?

>> NOT ACCORDING TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND IF THERE IS WAITING IT WILL BE INSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> SO, FOLKS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE TO WAIT BUT IT SHOULD NOT IMPACT MORE THAN TWO SECONDS, PEOPLE

TRAVERSING RICHMOND ROAD? >> CORRECT.

>> AND IF YOU LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S NORTH OF THE PARKWAY WHICH IS A MAJORITY OF THE CITY AT LEAST ON THE WEST SIDE COULD EXIT OFF OF WILBEAKNER.

>> WE HOPE THAT'S OPEN WELL BEFORE.

>> CAN YOU GIVE A SIDE BAR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS KEEP GETTING QUESTIONS, THERE'S A UTILITY ISSUE HOLDING THE OPENING OF WILBEAKNER PARKWAY. IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION

TO HAVE AN UNFINISHED ROAD. >> THE UTILITY WAS RESOLVED FRIDAY AND THE CONTRACTOR IS EXPECT TO RETURN THIS WEEK AND YOU'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF WORK LEFT TO DO ON HIGHWAY 14 AND WE SHOULD BE FINISHING THE PERMANENT STRIPING ON HIGHWAY 14. THEY'VE DONE THE PERMANENT STRIPING ON THE MAIN ROADWAY AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE PUNCH LIST.

>> AND ALL OF THIS IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL ON

HIGHWAY 14. >> YES, WE HAVE TO BUILD THE

ADDITIONAL LANES. >> ONE ADDITIONAL COMPONENT WHICH HAS BEEN A PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS A PROPOSED OR EXPECTED EXIT OFF OF, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT ONTO SHUG PARKWAY.

CAN WE SPEAK TO THE CONDITION PLACED ON THIS ITEM OR RECOMMENDED CONDITION, AND IF THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED OR NOT

BY THE APPLICANT. >> I'LL HAVE MR. HOWARD GO OVER

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THE CONDITION AND CITY MANAGER FRASER CAN ADDRESS WHAT ELSE.

>> AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION AS WELL AS IN THE ORDINANCE WHICH IS PART OF YOUR PACKET, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF CONDITIONS AND THAT WAS THAT A FORMAL REQUEST BE MADE TOTALAL DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR A RIDE IN RIDE OUT OFF OF SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY AND IF DENIED WILL NOT STOP THE PROJECT. ONCE WE RECEIVED THAT COMMENT, WE HAD ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF. THE APPLICANT HELD A MEETING WITH THE ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO DISCUSS THIS SPECIFIC MATTER AND PROVIDED US WITH ADDITIONAL INSIGHTS AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THIS CONDITION HAS BEEN SATISFIED WHICH IS A CHANGE FROM WHEN THAT CONDITION WAS INITIALLY MADE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> WHAT WAS THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ALDOT FOR A

PROPOSED EXIT? >> ALDOT WAS NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THE ACCESS. THEY CONCURRED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY AND MENTIONED IT DID NOT MEET THEIR

ACCESS MANAGEMENT GUIDELINES. >> THANK YOU.

>> I DON'T YOU ARE WELCOME. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A QUESTION THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.

WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ON THIS TOPIC, WE ASK THAT YOU COME FORWARD AND SHARE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES AND THE CLOCK WILL BE THERE TO BE YOUR

ASSISTANT, OKAY. YES, SIR? >> MY NAME IS SHELBY DWIRLEY, I GO BY DAVE. I LIVE AT 658 VENICE WAY IN UNIT 102, THAT'S THE RELATIVELY NEW CONDO DEVELOPMENT ACROSS RICHLAND ROAD FROM WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE. FIRST OFF, A GENERAL COMMENT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED ALL OF THESE NEW CONDOS OR APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD HERE, BECAUSE, I GO AROUND TO AUBURN AND I LOOK AND I SEE HUNDREDS OF NEW APARTMENT BUILDINGS GOING UP EVERYWHERE, ALL KINDS OF HOUSING. WHOSE LIVING IN ALL OF THESE PLACES? I MEAN, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED WITH ANOTHER ONE OF THESE THINGS? AND THAT'S JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. BUT, I ALSO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY AND IF THESE PEOPLE DO BUILD THIS THING AND GO BANKRUPT, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS. SO, THEY CAN HAVE AT IT IF THIS IS APPROVED. NOW, LET'S GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. YOU SAID A TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN DONE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT, WHEN WAS THE STUDY DONE? WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK? WHAT TIMES OF DAY? THE ONLY TIME THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL IS BETWEEN 7:00 A.M. AND 8:00 A.M. THAT'S WHEN ALL OF THESE CARS ARE MANY COOING IN DROPPING OFF KIDS.

EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WORK IT DOWN RICHLAND ROAD TOWARD SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY. I AGREE THE NEW CUT THROUGH THAT YOU HAVE THERE WILL ALLEVIATE SOME FROM THE BACK END, BUT, IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THIS, BECAUSE, IF THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF THESE TWOENT RANSES WILL HAVE TO TURN LEFT TO GET TO WORK OR GET TO THE UNIVERSITY. I SIT THERE FOR TIMES TWO OR THREE MINUTES AT LEAST, WAITING TO TRY AND TURN RIGHT ONTO RICHLAND ROAD TO GET OUT BETWEEN 7:00 A.M. AND 8:00 A.M. I DON'T SEE HOW ANYBODY'S GETTING OUT OF THERE TURNING LEFT OFF OF EITHERENT TRANSES. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WRECKS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS. NOW, THE OBVIOUS THING WOULD HAVE BEEN TO PUT THE ENTRANCES ON SHUG DRIVE PARKWAY, BUT, I KNOW THAT ALDOT DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BEING HURT AND ALL KINDS OF BAD THINGS. THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU.

YES, SIR, WHO WILL BE NEXT? >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL WALSH, AND I LIVE AT 668 MILLIS WAY, UNIT 102, SO, I'M THE NEIGHBOR OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE DIFFICULTY THAT WE HAVE IN USING A TURN LANE ON AN S-CURVE TO

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ENTER OUR VILLAS. ON VILLAS WAY, UNDER THE EXISTING TRAFFIC FLOW, PEOPLE ARE CHEATING ON THE YELLOW LINE AS THEY COME AROUND THE CURVE TOWARDS SHUG JORDAN AND PEOPLE BEHIND YOU ARE CHEATING ON THE CURVE AND YOU'RE BEING SQUEEZED IN THE MIDDLE TURN LANE, IT'S AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION ALREADY. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THE ASSUMPTIONS ON THIS TRAFFIC STUDY WERE ACCURATE SINCE NO ONE HAS EVER DRIVEN ON BUCKNER. WE HAVE NO REAL DATA TO SUPPORT ANY PRESUMPTION AS TO WHAT THE USAGE WILL DO TO REDUCE TRAFFIC ON RICHLAND ROAD. IF YOU GO THROUGH WITH THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WIDEN THE ROAD OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE BETTER POLICE PROTECTION TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T SPEEDING AS THEY TAKE THAT S-CURVE BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GOING TO DIE IN THAT TURN LANE IF THINGS GET ANY WORSE. EVERY TIME I MAKE THAT TURN I WONDER IF THAT WILL BE THE LAST TIME I MAKE IT TO MY HOUSE. IT'S A BAD

SITUATION. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS ROBIN ROBIN PHYLM PART OF THIS GROUP FROM OUR CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: WELL, YOU'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT SOME NUMBERS. THE DEVELOPER IN THE PROSPECTIVE PROPOSAL SAYS THAT THEY EXPECT PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 700 TO 750 PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S PRETTY HIGH DENSITY. THEY'RE PUTTING IN 780 PARKING SPACES. 780 PARKING SPACES. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT THEY'VE ALLOWED FOR RETAIL WHICH IS 110, BUT, THEN, FURTHER IN THE PROPOSAL THEY FUDGE A BIT AND MAYBE THEY WILL JUST ASSIGN SOME OF THE 780 TO THE RETAIL PORTION. BUT, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT 780 VEHICLES, POTENTIALLY, EXITING ONTO RICHLAND ROAD BETWEEN SHUG JORDAN AND THE ARBOR FARMS DURING THE MORNING, PEAK HOURS.

YES, WE HAVE SCHOOL TRAFFIC, BUT, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF THE POPULATION DOWN RICHLAND ROAD WHO WORK AT THE UNIVERSITY. AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM WILL TAKE OFF OF WILBEAKNER, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE TRAFFIC MODELLING WHICH HAS BEEN DONE FOR THIS IS BASED ON REAL, CURRENT DATA TAKING INTO ACCOUNT VEHICLES IN THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS EXITING ONTO RICHLAND ROAD AT THAT HOUR OF THE DAY. I THNG THERE'LL BE MASSIVE TRAFFIC JAMS AND I WILL ALSO LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I GET TOO WOUND UP ON THIS. REMEMBER, PLEASE, THAT THERE WAS A ROAD RAGE INCIDENT IN THE PARKING LOT AT RICHLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, PROBABLY, LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. IT WAS SOON AFTER I MOVED IN THE FALL OF 2021. THERE WAS A GUN DISCHARGED. THERE WERE CHILDREN BEING UNLOADED FROM SCHOOL BUSES WHEN THAT HAPPENED. IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER WHO I BELIEVE YOU DID HONOR FOR HIS WORK IN IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR HIM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT WORSE. THERE WERE FIRE TRUCKS TRYING TO GET THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC, EVERY POLICE CAR IN AUBURN, I THINK, CAME. THERE WAS A HELICOPTER THAT LANDED IN THE PARKING LOT, AND ALL OF THIS IN FRONT OF THE KIDS. I TALKED TO PARENTS WHO HAD PARKED ON VILLAS WAY, SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY CHILD IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. UM, IT WAS JUST CHAOTIC, SO, PLEASE, THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT DID HAPPEN IN

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AUBURN, AND, YOU KNOW, PRAY GOD IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. I HOPE THAT WE NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES MAYBE CALLED TO ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE SCHOOLS DURING THE TIME THAT ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC CURRENTLY, THE CURRENT TRAFFIC IS ON RICHLAND ROAD. UM, I COULD SAY A LOT MORE, BUT, I THINK THAT I'VE HAD MY TIME.

SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM, NEXT?

>> HELLO, I'M KIM MURDAUGH, I LIVE AT 688 VILLAS WAY, UNIT 103. THESE ARE MY NEIGHBORS. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC, NOISE, THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE MOSTLY RETIRED IN OUR SMALL, VERY LOW DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION NOISE WE DEFINITELY WANTED ALDOT TO LOOK INTO THAT ENTRANCE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS THERE IS A WAY OUT ON RICHLAND ROAD. NONE OF US WANT TO BE IN ACCIDENTS BUT BY EXPERIENCING TURNING RIGHT ON RICHLAND ROAD IN THE MORNINGS WHAT PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL FACE TRY TO GO TURN LEFT. LUCKILY WE LIVE IN A TOWN WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE NICE, THEY LET PEOPLE IN. BUT, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH IN THE MORNINGS WITH PEOPLE DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS AND PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO WORK AND THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT TRYING

TO TURN LEFT. >>> MY OTHER CONCERN IS, WHY DO WE HAVE TO CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES? WE HAVE MATURE TREE THAT IS LINE RICHLAND ROAD. ONE OF THE NICEST THINGS ABOUT LIVING HERE IS THAT WE HAVE EXTRA WIDE SIDEWALKS. ALMOST EVERYONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WALKS DOWN RICHLAND ROAD MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK. IT'S NICE. AND IT'S VERY RESIDENTIAL FEEL OF WHILE WE'RE NOT LIVING WITHIN AROUND CAMPUS WHERE TREES ARE VERY OLD, BEEN HERE SINCE I WAS BORN, HERE. BUT, WE HAVE THAT FEEL OF THE TREE-LINED CORRIDOR, MOST OF US WALK TO BUCKNER, AND WE'RE READY FOR IT TO OPEN. BUT, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IF YOU CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN ALONG RICHLAND IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND IT DOES TAKE OFF, OR, THE RETAIL DOESN'T WORK WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AN EYE SORE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. SOMETHING THAT I FOUND OUT FROM BETH WITTEN LETTING ME KNOW, WE'RE IN WARD EIGHT, AND THERE WAS NO SCOPING OUT OF WHERE'S OUR BUFFER? OBVIOUSLY THEY NEED IT AROUND SOUTH BUT, YOU PLANT TREES NOW, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO GROW? 10 YEARS? WILL THEY MAKE IT THROUGH THE CURRENT DROUGHT THAT WE HAVE? BY NOT HAVING THE ENTRANCE TO ALDOT, YOU HAVE TWO ENTRANCES ON THREE S-CURVES, IN A 3.5 MILE DISTANCE TO THE SCHOOL. I GET UP EARLY IN THE MORNING, TODAY I GOT UP EXTRA EARLY AT 4:55 BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THERE, SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING.

IT COULD BE THE CURRENT OWNER, I'M NOT SAYING IT IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER. IS THERE ANYWAY TO HAVE A CONDITION THAT THEIR HOURS FOR CONSTRUCTION ARE 8:00 A.M. TO LET KIDS GO DOWN THE SIDEWALK, BECAUSE, KIDS DO WALK TO THE SCHOOLS TO LET PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHO CAN ENJOY SLEEPING IN A LITTLE LATER, SLEEP, AND NOT HAVE HEADLIGHTS INTO MY BEDROOM WINDOW EVERY MORNING? ARE THERE ANYWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE A QUIETER, NICER, NOT JUST CONSTRUCTION PERIOD BUT WHEN ALL OF THESE CARS ARE TURNING LEFT AND HONKING THEIR HORNS TO TURN LEFT TO GET TO SHUG, ARE THERE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE DONE. SO, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE NOISE AND I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THAT SECOND ENTRANCE IS ON A CURVE, NEAR THE SCHOOL AND RIGHT ACROSS FROM ME. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS GOING ON AT 4:55 A.M.

THIS MORNING, BUT, I HOPE IT'S NOT GOING ON FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT I'VE LIVED IN ATLANTA MOST OF MY LIFE. I LIVED IN THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTY WHICH TURNED INTO

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150% CAPACITY WHEN HIGH SCHOOL OPENED. IT TURNED INTO WE CAN'T GET TO OUR HIGHWAYS FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE HAD A LEFT TURN INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT JUST TAKES OFF. AND ALL THE TREES FROM WERE CUT DOWN. VERY OLD, MATURE TREES THAT MAKE OUR TOWN WILL BE CUT DOWN. IS THERE ANYWAY TO SAVE A SMALL SLIVER, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH AS 50 FEET THAT SOUTH SIDE IS GETTING, BUT, MAYBE, 10 OR 15 FEET JUST TO HAVE THAT FEEL THAT WHEN YOU TURN ON RICHLAND ROAD, YOU'RE GOING ON A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET NOT A MAJOR THOROUGH FAIR. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER SOME CONCESSION TO WE'RE A DENSITY, 20 UNITS WITH 16.

(BELL CHIMING) >> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: WHO IS NEXT?

YES, MA'AM. >>

>> I'M JOAN DARROW. I LIVE IN 2446 CHURCHILL CIRCLE. I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT MY COMMUNICATION VIA E-MAIL. I WON'T REPEAT, A LOT OF GOOD POINTS WERE MADE. FIRST MISTAKE WAS PUTTING TWO SCHOOLS SO CLOSE TOGETHER. THE CHILDREN ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR BUSES SO THE PARENTS BRING THEM TO SCHOOL. THEN, THEY MAY GO HOME OR THEY MAY GO ONTO WORK. THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS JUST ABOVE WHERE THE LAST SCHOOL, IF YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS SHUG JORDAN IS, AND, UM, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH SPACE, THAT'S A SHORT SPACE COMPARED TO THE LIGHT. IF YOU HAVE TO TURN LEFT, BOY, YOU GOT TO BE FAST WHITE HOUSE IT DOESN'T STAY ON LONG. SECONDLY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC STUDY. I INVITED YOU ALL TO COME OVER AND EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF. WE LIVE THERE. WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH DURING THESE PEAK HOURS WHEN THE SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY, IN THE MORNINGS, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET TO WORK. I ALSO BROUGHT UP THE PROPOSED, LET ME SEE. OUTER PERIMETER THAT IS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT TO RICHLAND ROAD IN 24 AND '26 THAT MAY PUT MORE TRAFFIC ON RICHLAND ROAD. IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC. WE HAVE OODLES OF KIDS LIVING THERE AND WITH NO BUS SERVICE, THE PARENTS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DRIVE THEM THERE.

I WILL SAY THE TRAFFIC GUARD AT RICHLAND ELEMENT IS FANTASTIC.

HE DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB AND HE DESERVES A RAISE. I WANTED TO KNOW, WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT COMES OUT ONTO RICHLAND ROAD, ARE THEY COUNTING ON OUR GOOD GRACE TOSS LET THEM IN, TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN? WE'LL NEVER GET OUT IF WE ALLOW THEM IN.

AND PEOPLE ARE IN A HURRY. I HOPE THAT MY E-MAIL CLARIFIED WHAT I'M FEELING AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER VOTING AGAINST THIS. I KNOW IT MIGHT BE INCOME FOR THE CITY, BUT, WE'RE CITY RESIDENTS TOO. WE LIVE ON A STREET THAT IS WIDE, BUT, IT'S MOSTLY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES EXCEPT FOR THE ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S BEEN THERE BEFORE MOST OF THE HOMES WERE THERE.

SO, I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER EVERYTHING. I'M NOT SURE TRAFFIC STUDY DOES IT, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO EXPERIENCE IT. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. WHO'LL BE NEXT? YES, SIR?

>> HI, MY NAME'S SCOTTY SMITH AND I LIVE AT 1114 SOUTH RIDGE POINT IN CYPRUSS POINT WHICH IS THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISION. I WAS DOING RESEARCH ON THE PROPERTY PROPOSED, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S GOING TO BE STUDENT HOUSING, BUT, I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE STUDENT-FOCUSED. AND I DERIVED THAT JUST FROM LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE. AND ON THE WEBSITE, THEY HAVE A UM,

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THEY HAVE 23 PROPERTIES, A PORTFOLIO OF 23 PROPERTIES, AND ALL 23 ARE IN COLLEGE TOWNS AND ALL 23 UM, TAILOR TO STUDENTS AND THEY ARE ANYWHERE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA, ARKANSAS, ARIZONA STATE, SEVERAL IN PURDUE UNIVERSITY, KANSAS, KENTUCKY, THEY'RE ALL OVER. AND THEY'RE ALL AROUND ADJACENT TO THE UNIVERSITIES. AND, SO, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE TERM THIS IS STUDENT HOUSING BEING SNUCK IN, BUT, I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE STUDENT FOCUSED AND I BELIEVE STUDENTS WILL BE MARKETED.

FINE. YOU KNOW, STUDENTS NEED SOMEWHERE TO LIVE, TOO. I GET THAT, HOWEVER, I WOULD HATE FOR THIS TO GET BUILT, THIS PRIME PROPERTY WHICH I ALWAYS ENVISIONED IT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE KIDS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THEN, IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, IT DRYS UP, IT'S NOT THE PLACE TO BE. PEOPLE MOVE ON, AND IT WILL TURN INTO A LONG LEAF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. I WOULD HOPE THAT MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE. NOW, I KNOW WE CAN'T DICTATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPENIOUS BUT, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE THAT I BUT LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE THAT , BUT LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE THAT INTCONSIDERATION. ALSO I BELIEVE IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY USED FOR THAT WAS A STUDY FROM SEPTEMBER OF 2022 WHEN, UM, THE CONNECTER PROJECT WAS BEING REVIEWED.

AND, SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN ALL KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND THAT ARE IN THE WORKS. SO, NOT ONLY IS ALL THE CURRENT PEOPLE THAT LIVE, I WOULD SAY FROM RICHLAND ROAD OVER TO DONAHUE, AND THEN TO THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WINDING BACK TOWARD MLK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CONNECTER'S REALLY, REALLY GOING TO, I THINK WE'RE BEHIND ON THAT. A CONNECTER IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS, THERE'S NO PHASES COMING IN, FIVE HUNDRED HOUSES, OAK CREEK SUBDIVISION, A COUPLE OTHER HOUSES. AND THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, ON THAT CONNECTER THAT HASN'T OPENED YET. AND, SO, WITH HOUSES IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY, BUILD ONE, HERE THERE, TWO THERE, SO, OUR TRAFFIC'S GOING TO RAMP UP SLOWLY. PROBABLY ABOUT THE TIME THIS IS DONE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 700, BOOM, WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO HIT THOSE ROADWAYS. SO, THAT'S WHY I QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'S OLD, UNLESS I'M MISINFORMED AND ONE HAS BEEN DONE SINCE, I'M NOT SURE. BUT, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. YOU KNOW, AND IF THIS THING ISN'T BUILT IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE A HOMELESS SITUATION FOR ANY STUDENTS, IT'S GOING TO BE FINE. WE COULD DEFINITELY DO SOMETHING ELSE. I JUMPED AROUND HERE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ALREADY ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. UM, OH, AND EITHER WAY, WITH THE TRAFFIC, JUST CONSIDER THERE IS AN S-CURVE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE. UM, TWO CONGESTED SCHOOL ZONES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND AN ALREADY CONGESTED INTERSECTION AT RICHLAND. I WOULD ASK YOU TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL DEVELOPMENT JUST IN HONOR OF PRESERVING OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTINUING TO PROVIDE SEPARATION OF RESIDENTS' FAMILY FROM STUDENTS. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT?

YES, SIR? >>> MY NAME IS JAMES BERNIE AND I LIVE AT 749 MONROE DRIVE IN THE OBSERVATION OFF OF COTSWALD.

I'VE REVIEWED THE NEW TRAFFIC STUDY AND I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. UM, IN PARTICULAR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IN THE STUDY, AND I DON'T RECALL HOW MANY UNITS ARE GOING IN THERE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK THEY SAID 700 PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THERE OR SO. BUT, I SAW IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT DURING THE PEAK THEY ESTIMATED LESS THAN A HUNDRED CARS, THE NUMBER WAS 80-SOMETHING CARS. I THINK

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THAT'S AN UNDERESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE. EVEN IF IT'S NOT COLLEGE OR NEAR COLLEGE AGED, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FAMILIES IN THERE. AND AGAIN, IN THAT AREA, THAT'S NOT BUSING BUT WE HAVE TWO SCHOOLS WHICH REQUIRES PARENTS AND FOLKS TO DRIVE THEIR KIDS IN AND OUT OF SCHOOL. SO, I THINK THIS NUMBER THAT THEY HAVE GOING THROUGH THAT STUDY IS NOT GOING TO BE CORRECT. AND, AGAIN, I THINK THE ASSUMPTION OF THAT NEW ROAD, UM, IT'S GREAT TO ASSUME DATA, BUT, AGAIN, WE HAVE NO REAL-LIFE DATA OFF OF THAT ROAD YET TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE THAT. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TURN RIGHT AND TAKE THE TIME TO GO DOWN 14 IF THEY HAVE TO GO LEFT ONTO SHUG JORDAN? RIGHT? WE PROBABLY WON'T GET VERY MANY PEOPLE TO GO THAT WAY. SO, MY MAJOR CONCERN, AGAIN, IS THE TRAFFIC. I DRIVE THROUGH THAT EVERYDAY. AND, UM, INSTEAD OF ASSUMING THAT IT'S GOING TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS BUILD. SO, MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO DELAY THE APPROVAL UNTIL THIS ROAD IS OPEN. WE'RE SAYING THE ROAD WOULD OPEN POTENTIALLY IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, COULD WE NOT DO A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THE ROAD OPEN THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GET REALTIME DATA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GETTING THAT AS OPPOSED TO ASSUMING THAT THIS ROAD WAS BUILT TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO.

THAT'S MY FEAR. AGAIN, WE'RE BUILDING, UM, PUTTING IN MULTIPLE FAMILIES INTO AN AREA THERE. AND WHAT IF WE BUILD THAT PLACE AND THEN WE NEED MORE ROOM TO EXPAND THE INTERSECTION AT SHUG AND RICHLAND, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM THERE THE WAY THAT ANGLED INTERSECTION IS TO REDO THAT INTERSECTION IF, AFTER THE FACT THIS PROJECT GET THE APPROVED. AND NOW, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OTHER WAYS TO RELIEVE THE TRAFFIC. I'M NOT SURE THAT INTERSECTION COULD BE REDONE WITH WHAT IS THERE AND WHAT ISN'T WITH THE TERRAIN AND HILLS AND ALL THE THINGS THERE. SO, AGAIN, MY CONSIDERATION TO YOU GUYS WOULD BE THAT WE JUST MAYBE DELAY THE APPROVAL TO SEE THE ACTUAL DATA THAT COMES IN ON THE ROAD THAT'S SUPPOSED TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC. SO, THANK YOU, GUYS

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> MR. BERNIE, HOW LONG HAVE

YOU LIVED IN THE OAKS? >> WE MOVED THERE IN 2018.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

YES, SIR? >>> NAY NAME'S JONATHAN MCCALL AND I LIVE IN THE AUBURN UNIVERSITY CLUB COMMUNITY. MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2021, AN IT IS JUST A PERFECT COMMUNITY. I LOVE MY AREA. YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BREAK FROM THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, I'M ACTUALLY VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS AS A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER, THERE'S NOTHING BETTER IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AREA WITH WALKING AMENITIES THAN NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL, SOMEWHERE TO GET COFFEE IN THE MORNING, SOMEWHERE TO TAKE YOUR KID FOR AFTER-SCHOOL TUTORING, OR, MAYBE GO WATCH A FOOTBALL GAME WITH YOUR BUDDIES.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED ACCESS OFF SHUG COULD BE DANGEROUS, YOU'RE GOING 55 MILES AN HOUR, TRYING TO CATCH UP TO TRAFFIC, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AUBURN DEFINITELY ENCOURAGES A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE, WE HAVE WIDE SIDEWALKS, AND SO, I THINK IT WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAYBE TAKE THEIR CARS LESS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND POSSIBLY WALK MORE, MAYBE USE A GOLF CART, DON'T TELL THE GUY TO GIVE ME A TICKET FOR USING IT. BUT, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS. MY WIFE AND I, WE NEED A UPS AND SOME FOOD THERE. THAT'S WHAT I'LL SAY TO THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

>> MY NAME'S COREY WEBB, 672 SHAWNEE STREET, GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE COUNCIL AGAIN. BUT, AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN ON

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RICHLAND ROAD BUILDING FOR YEARS AND YEARS, ONE I WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY ON HOW Y'ALL HAVE TREATED RICHLAND ROAD. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK SEVEN PEOPLE HAVE A CONCERN HERE, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE LONGEST LIVING ONE IS THERE, BUT, I CAN REMEMBER A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVED ON RICHLAND ROAD THAT HAD ACRES OF LAND BACK THERE, PROBABLY, WHEN WE HAD UM TEEN NEIGHBORHOODS THERE, AND WITH THE CITY WORKING ON IT WITH THE LAST EXPANSION, BUT, IT IS A GROWING TOWN. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT NOBODY WANTS TO BE PUT OUT WITH TRAFFIC, BUT, HOW LONG AGO, HOW MANY ROOFTOPS ARE THERE THAT Y'ALL HAVE WORKED ON AND DONE A GOOD JOB. I'M SURE WHEN IT WAS A DIRT ROAD, PEOPLE HAD THE SAME FEELING WHEN THEY PUT IN THE CHASE OR WHATEVER THE FIRST ONES WERE THERE. BUT, I COMMEND Y'ALL FOR ALWAYS MAKING SURE AND ADDRESSING THAT WE'RE WORKING FORWARD TO GET PEOPLE MOVING HERE. I KNOW IT'S TOUGH FOR EVERYBODY WHEN A TOWN IS GROWING LIKE THIS, AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE HERE, BUT, THE CITY ALWAYS DOES A GREAT JOB, THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF ONE OF YOU GENTLEMAN WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE SOME COMMENTS, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

>> CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MAYOR ANDERS: CLOSE THAT

PUBLIC HEARING. >> IF THEY WANT TO MAKE STATEMENTS NOT RELATIVE THE TO YOUR QUESTIONS, THEY MAY COME UP

NOW. >> MAYOR ANDERS: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE PUBLIC IN OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: IF THE APPLICANT COULD SEND A

REPRESENTATIVE FORWARD. >> COUNCIL PERSON WITTEN, WOULD YOU NEED DRAWINGS UP AT THIS TIME?

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE SAKE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE THE DRAWING OF THE --

>> DO YOU WANT THE OVERALL OR DO YOU WANT?

>> LET'S ADDRESS THE BUFFERING FIRST.

>> WE'LL BRING IT UP AND MR. HOWARD WILL HAVE CONTROL OF IT ONCE CRAIG BRINGS IT UP. JUST GIVE HIM JUST A MINUTE.

>> FOR THE RECORD, BLAKE RICE, BARRETT SIMPSON.

>> THERE WE GO, KEVIN WILL GET US TO THE MAP THAT YOU ARE

REFERRING TO ABOUT BUFFERING. >> NOW, I DO THINK THAT I SAW THAT MY 1980 DODGE OMNI WAS THERE SOMEWHERE.

>> IS THIS THE ONE? >> YES.

>>> WE DID RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM YOU IN REFERENCE TO THE BUFFERING, AND I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION OF STAFF AND THEN OF YOU, AS WELL, MR. RICE THAT THE REQUIRED BUFFERING ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT IS ADJACENT TO, UM, THE AU CLUB, THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING AN UNDISTURBED BUFFER OF 30-FEET AND AN ADDITIONAL UNDISTURBED BUFFER OF 17 FEET AND SUMMENTAL.

>> SUMP MENTAL. >> SO, THAT WOULD BE AN

ADDITIONAL 70 FEET NOT REQUIRED. >> IN LIEU OF A WASH OF THE CURRENT FOLIAGE, WHAT WE PROPOSED IS A 30-FOOT UNDISTURBED THAT WILL TAKE THE PLACE OF THAT 15-FOOT BUFFER AND ON TOP OF THAT AS TYPOGRAPHY ALLOWED AND DICTATE, WE WILL LEAVE ANYWHERE FROM AN ADDITIONAL 17 FEET UPWARDS OF ALMOST THAT ENTIRETY OF, I BELIEVE 65 FEET IN PLACES WILL BE LEFT UNDISTURBED. AND THAT'S ALL DICTATED BY THE ENGINEERING AND THE TYPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE. SO, ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT 65 FEET THAT IS, THAT TREES ARE HAVING TO BE REMOVED FOR CONSTRUCTION, IT IS OUR INTENTION TO REPLANT THAT AREA. SO, WHAT YOU'LL HAVE IS A MINIMUM UNDISTURBED BUFFER OF I BELIEVE 45 FEET AND THEN IN PLACES UP TO 65. AND THEN ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT 65-FOOT BUFFER IS REMOVED, IT WILL BE REPLANTED IN THAT LAST 20 FEET.

AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 20 FOOT BACKYARD FOR THESE LESS

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DENSE PRODUCT WHICH IS, STRATEGICALLY, OBVIOUSLY BEEN PLACED NEAR THE SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION, SO WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS EFFECTIVELY, AN 85-FOOT SETBACK FOR THE UNITS WITH 65 FEET OF THAT BEING PLANTED OR CURRENTLY LEFT UNDISTURBED IN

IT'S CURRENT POSITION. >> AND THEN, AS WELL, ON THE WEST SIDE THAT ABUTS RICHLAND ROAD, UM, THE LANDSCAPING PROPOSAL, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS JUST THE MINIMUM AND BASED OFF OF, CONSTITUENT COMMENTS AND SO FORTH, THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO ADDITIONAL BUFFERING ALONG RICHLAND, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS INTENDED TO DO IS, WHILE IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE SOME AREAS UNDISTURBED THERE, UM, I DID HEAR ONE CITIZEN MAKE A MENTION OF A 10 FOOT, A 10-FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER IS NOTHING.

IT'S SPARSE, IT LOOKS BAD. AND THE TYPOGRAPHY OF THIS SITE IS SUCH THAT ONCE UNDER DEVELOPMENT THERE'S NO ABILITY TO LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE RICHLAND ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY AS UNDISTURBED.

SO, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN THE CODE MINIMUM LANDSCAPING AND ADDED AN ADDITIONAL 90 LARGE TREES THAT WILL GROW INTO MATURE TIMBER ALONG THAT RICHLAND ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. WHICH, THE CODE MINIMUM IS ESSENTIALLY TWO TREES PER 100 FEET. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT HAS BEEN GROSSLY OUTNUMBERED AND IMPROVED UPON.

WE DO HAVE A POTENTIAL IN THE FAR, NORTH WESTERN CORNER BASED ON GRADING. IT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE THE SITE SENT BEEN FULLY ENGINEERED BUT WE MIGHT HAVE BE ABLE TO BELIEVE SOME OF THAT UNDISTURBED. HOW MUCH OF THAT, I MEAN, OUR INTENTION IS TO LEAVE AS MUCH AS ENGINEERING WILL ABSOLUTELY ALLOW. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT. BUT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE REALLY THE DEVELOPER HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING BACK INTO RICHLAND ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> AND AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE FOR THIS PROJECT IS AROUND 25%? MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IS 25%. OVERALL FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE, THEY'RE PROVIDING 27%. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, AGAIN, JUST THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION, THEY ARE PROVIDING 35% OF OPEN SPACE

FOR THAT PORTION. >> OKAY.

>> AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT DENSITY, UM, AND, IS THIS BEING, UM, DEVELOPED WITH A STUDENT FOCUS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT DENSITY AND THE MARKETING OF THIS PRODUCT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS PROCESS PLAY OUT OVER THE YEARS IN DIFFERENT MANNERS ON STUDENT-DRIVEN HOUSING. AND THIS IS A NON-STUDENT DRIVEN HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE ARCHITECTURE, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL FACETS THAT DRIVE STUDENT HOUSING. I WOULD LEAN ON STAFF TO RESPOND TO THEIR WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN IN THE ARCHITECTURE, THIS IS NOT GEARED TOWARDS THE BED BACK PURITY THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT GOING ON AND STUDENTS TEND TO LEAN MORE TOWARDS A CERTAIN TYPE OF INTERNAL UNIT AND CERTAIN TYPE OF AMENITIES.

AND THIS PROJECT, WHILE, YES, ONE GENTLEMAN DID MENTION THIS IS A COMPANY THAT'S DOES STUDENT HOUSING, YES, THEY DO, BUT, THEY ALSO DO MARKET-RATE HOUSING WHICH IS NOT STUDENT DRIVEN.

AND AUBURN HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS ONE THAT IS NEEDING MARKET-RATE, MULTIPLE-FAMILY UNITS. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT ALSO LEADS INTO SOME OF THE MULTIPLE MENTIONS OF THE 780 PARKING SPACES. THE CITY OF AUBURN REQUIREMENTS REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKS SPACES BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN A COMPLEX. THAT IS NOT BASED

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ON EXPECTED DRIVERS. THIS IS A FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS 780 SPACES WHICH IS REQUIRED BY ZONING ORDINANCE. AND, WHEN YOU START HAVING 2-BEDROOM AND 3-BEDROOM WHICH ARE FAMILY-ORIENTED UNITS, THAT'S NOT ALL DRIVERS. I WOULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT'S A REQUIREMENT, BUT, I REALLY DON'T EXPECT 780 VEHICLES TO BE ANYWHERE IN THIS COMPLEX AT ANY TIME. BUT, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MEETING THE INTENT OF IT. AND A DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT AS PROPOSED IS LESS THAN WHAT CDD ALLOWS AT 9.5, IT IS BEING PROPOSED AT 9.84 PER ACRE?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND BACK ON THE STUDENT FOCUS, ARE THESE BEING LEASED BY THE BEDROOM OR THE UNIT.

>> NO, THESE ARE UNIT-DRIVEN LEASING. THERE WILL BE NO LEASE SHALL BY THE BEDROOM IN THIS PROJECT.

>> AND THEN, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THE TRAFFIC. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WHICH WAS CONDUCTED AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF WHEN IT WAS CONDUCTED AND, WETHER OR NOT WILBEAKNER PARKWAY, BEING HOPE, NOT HAVING BEEN OPEN AT THE TIME OF THE STUDY, THE IMPACT OF THAT ON THE STUDY?

>> I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I DO HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT, THE AUTHOR OF THIS TRAFFIC STUDY.

BUT, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS GENERAL IN TERM. AND I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. SO, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT WHEN WAS THE STUDY DONE AND WERE ALL THE ITEMS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT? SO, WHAT YOU SAW WAS A REFERENCE TO NOT WHEN THE STUDY WAS DONE, IT WAS WHEN THE COUNTS WERE TAKEN. THE COUNTS WERE TAKEN PER CITY OF AUBURN REGULATIONS WHILE ALL SCHOOLS WERE IN SESSION. AND THAT'S NOT, A, SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND COUNTS TRAFFIC FOR ONE HOUR. THAT IS A SET OF TRAFFIC COUNTERS ARE PLACED OUT THERE AND THEY'RE RUN FOR A SPECIFIED AMOUNT OF TIME SO THAT YOU GET NORMALIZED TRAFFIC, YOU GET AM PEEK AND PM PEAK. THOSE COUNTS WERE TAKEN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, SO, THERE'S REALLY BEEN VERY LITTLE ACTUAL NEW HOUSING TAKEN, ACTUALLY FINISHED AND COMPLETED AND MOVED INTO ON RESEARCH IN THAT TIME. BUT ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT COMPLETED WAS COUNTED IN THE TRAFFIC INCIDENTS. AND I THINK THIS WAS IN THE EXISTING, I BELIEVE THERE WAS 500 COTSWALD UNITS. THAT WAS DEVELOPED IN AN AREA WHERE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED AND THAT'S ACCOUNTED FOR. AS FAR AS WILBEAKNER PARKWAY IS CONCERNED, IF SPECIFICS ARE NEEDED, I WOULD NEED HELP FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. BUT, THERE WERE VERY SMALL AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC USED DURING THIS TRAFFIC STUDY AND SAID IT WOULD PLACED ON WILBEAKNER. I REMEMBER THE THE CAMPILYLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T RUN INTO AN HERB. WE CAN'T SAY THAT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE RUNNING INTO THE ROAD. THE TRAFFIC STUDY REFLECTS EVERYONE'S OPINION THAT THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL USE WILBEAKNER, IS MORE THAN WHAT IS

REFLECTED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MAYOR ANDERS: MR. RICE, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT FOLKS TURNING LEFT IN THE MORNING TO GET OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THAT CAN IMPACT THE MORNING RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC. AND Y'ALL'S ESTIMATION, ARE Y'ALL CONFIDENT THAT WILL WORK IN THE MORNING,

ESPECIALLY? >> YES, SIR. I REALLY AM.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET NEW RESIDENTS TO AN AREA. UM, YOU

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GOT TO IMAGINE THAT, YOU BRING INTO AN AREA SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS WILL IMMEDIATELY GO, WHY WOULDN'T I? THEY DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN MIND. IF THEY DECIDE TO TRY TO TURN LEFT, WHAT WE HAVE AT BOTH INTERSECTIONS IS DEDICATED RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT. SO, ANYONE THAT WANTS TO TURN LEFT HAS A DEDICATED AREA WHERE THEY COULD WAIT TO TURN LEFT IF THEY HAVE TO. SO, IF YOU DO SEE ANY POTENTIAL PLACE, THOSE ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING RICHLAND ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE TRAFFIC AS

SUCH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> >> YES, SPEAK TO THE RETAIL PIECE OF THIS, THE ENTRANCE THERE, I THINK THERE'S CONCERNS THAT MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT PROGRESS AS QUICKLY AS THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS. SO, THE COMMERCIAL AREA IS INFRASTRUCTURE. WHAT YOU HAVE IS A SET OF DRAWINGS THAT COME IN ONE PHASE TO THE CITY STRUCTURE. SERVICING THIS COMMERCIAL AREA WILL ALL BE PART OF THE SAME SET OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. THE GRADING IS SUCH AND THE TYPOGRAPHY IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN'T GRADE IT ALL. IT WILL ALL HAVE TO BE DONE IN ONE PROJECT. AFTER THAT, YOU COULD HAVE THIS COMMERCIAL AREA RIGHT HIND THIS. BUT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT BUILD TIMES, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE SITE, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THIS WILL BE IN THIS TIME. ONCE THE COMMERCIAL GETS STARTED, THE BUILD TIME IS MUCH, MUCH, LESS THAN THAT. TRUTHFULLY, YOU COULD HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL OPEN PRIOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL. THE INTEREST THAT THE DEVELOPER RECEIVED ON THE COMMERCIAL I THINK HAS EVEN SURPRISED THEM. THERE'S BEEN MUCH INTEREST INTO THIS COMMERCIAL AREA BY A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL GUYS. SO, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT DAY, BUT, I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IT WILL ALL BE HEAVY KCONSTRUCTION WILL GO TOGETHER AND THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR IT TO BE OPEN AT ANY POINT.

>> OBVIOUSLY,AL MARKET STUDY WAS PERFORMED, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MARKET STUDY THAT SHOWED SATURATION LEVELS?

>> I COULD NOT. I HAVE NOT SEEN A MARKET STUDY. I WILL HAVE TO REVERT TO THE DEVELOPER. IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ON THAT. I CAN DO SO AFTER I FINISH MY QUESTIONS

OR THEY CAN COME UP NOW. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS FOR MR. RICE? >> OKAY.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. >> THANK Y'ALL.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP?

>> THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. >> MAYOR ANDERS: THAT WOULD

BE THE COUNSEL'S WISHES. >> FRANK ROQYO. WE DID A SUBSTANTIAL MARKET STUDY AND CURRENTLY, MARKET RATE HOUSING IN AUBURN IS AT 94-95% FULL. SO, THERE'S ONLY A 5% VACANCY RATE IN CURRENT MULTIFAMILY IN AUBURN.

>> AND THAT'S MARKET RATE NOT STUDENT IN

>> CORRECT. STUDENTS ACTUALLY, IT'S MORE HIGHLY OCCUPIED. IT'S

ABOUT 99-100. >> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. THANK

YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? >> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. >

>> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS FROM

COUNCIL. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. I VALUE EACH OF THE CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE SPOKEN AND E-MAILS AND COMMUNICATED. I KNOW THIS APPEARS TO BE A LESS THAN PERFECT PROJECT. BUT FROM DEVELOPMENT THAT IS I'VE SEEN TAKEN PLACE IN MY ENTIRE TIME OBJECT COUNCIL, THIS IS PROBABLY

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ONE OF THE MOST THOUGHT OUT A AND PINPOINTED AND COMMUNICATES DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN. THE DEVELOPER IMMEDIATELY JUMPED ON BOARD TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. THEY DID NOT HIDE FROM WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE AND EVEN MADE CONCESSIONS WHEN ASKED BY BOTH STAFF ON THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THIS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAD ZERO AND THEY WENT UP TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET IN COMMERCIAL IN ORDER TO REALLY MEET THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS CORNER. THE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING AND LANDSCAPING AND GREEN SPACE ALLOCATION IS, I THINK, COMMENDABLE FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS SEEN DEVELOPERS CLEAR CUT A PROPERTY AND NOT GO BACK WITH ONLY THE MINIMUM. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE INTENTION TO DENSEFYING IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO THE EXTERNAL PIECES OF THE PROJECT AND CONTAINING AS A LIFE STYLE PROJECT ON THEIR SITE. I RECOGNIZE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXITS OFF OF RICHLAND DO GIVE PAUSE. BUT, REGARDLESS IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS OR NOT, ANY PROJECT THAT WOULD GO THERE, AS DEMONSTRATED BY ALDOT'S DISAPPROVAL OF AN EXIT OFF OF SHUG WOULD REQUIRE EXITS AND ENTRANCES. THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE OR CONCERN OF CONSTITUENTS REGARDLESS OF WHAT WILL BE IMPROVED. THE GIFT THAT WE'RE GIVEN THIS EVENING AS A COUNCIL WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THAT WE HAVE A SAY IN IT. WE GET TO SAY IF WE CHOOSE TO, WHAT COMMERCIAL GOES ON THIS, WHAT COMMERCIAL TYPES GO ON HERE. WE GET TO SAY THAT WE THINK THAT THE BUFFERING AND ACCEPTABLE ABOVE WHAT IS THE MINIMUM. WE GET TO ENCOURAGE THE IN AND OUT AND STACKING INTERNALLY AND THE SIDEWALKS WHICH WILL BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT. AND, THE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. SO, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SAY. IF WE WERE NOT TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, THEN, THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS FOR US TO NOT EVER HAVE A SAY. AND THAT IS, I THINK, A DANGEROUS POSITION TO PUT PLANNING INTO AND OUR, CONSTITUENTS IN. SO, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A SAY, THE FACT THAT WE GET TO HAVE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION, THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN WILL TO GO MAKE CONCESSIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS BASED OFF THE CONVERSATIONS OVER THE COURSE OF QUITE A BIT OF TIME, I THINK, SPEAKS TO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY EXPECT TO PUT HERE. AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO

APPROVE FOR THIS CORNER. >> .

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANYONE ELSE? >> YES. A COUPLE OF CITIZENS HAD QUESTIONS THAT I WONDERED IF WE COULD ANSWER. MS. MURDAUGH, I BELIEVE, ASKED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TIMES. WHEN ARE THOSE DISRUPTIONS HAPPENING AND WHAT DO THOSE ORDINANCES

DICTATE? >> SO, I'LL HAVE OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL REMIND US THAT THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, IS IT A ZONING THING OR RESIDENTIAL

ABUTTING. >> 7:00 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M. FOR EXTERIOR WORK MAKING NOISE. I WANT TO CLARIFY IF THEY'RE INSIDE BUILDINGS AND NOT DISTURBING PEOPLE BY PAINTING,

THEY WILL. >> IF IT'S PRIOR TO THAT, THE RESIDENTS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO CALL US ON A

NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER? >> THEY DO. OUR ENGINEERING INSPECTORS HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY, THEY'RE ACTIVE IN DOING THIS AND TIME CHANGES AFFECT DAYLIGHT. WE TYPICALLY HAVE MORE TROUBLE IN THE SUMMER TIME WHEN WE HAVE LONGER HOURS OF SUN THAN WE DO RIGHT NOW. BUT, WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING COM COMPLAINTS CITY WIDE. AUBURN PD RESPONDS AND WE DO AND RETEENLY SHUT DOWN CONSTRUCTION SITES WHICH ARE VIOLATING. HOWEVER, WE NEED THE ASSISTANT OF CITIZENS AND RESPOND. EVEN WHEN THEY CALL AND WE DON'T CATCH THEM IN THE ACT, WE DO REACH OUT TO WHOEVER HAS PULLED THE PERMIT

TO REMIND THEM TO KNOCK IT OFF. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I RECALL, I THINK WE SHARED AMONG

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MANY, I THINK IT WAS MR. BERNIE WHO, HAD SOME FEELINGS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY ITSELF. IT, IT, T I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC STUDIES IN THE WAY, WE HEAR THE TRAFFIC IS AT A AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL. IT'S ACCEPTABLE LEVEL FOR X-AMOUNT OF HOURS BUT IT'S AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL FOR PEOPLE COMMUTING IN THE TWO PEAK TIMES.

IS THERE I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE IS THE TRAFFIC QUALITY TAKEN OVER THE 24 HOUR IT IS TO GET TO YOUR ACCEPTABLE MOMENT, OR IS THERE A MOMENT IN THAT 24 HOURS WHERE IT IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE? IS THERE AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL AT IT'S PEAK, IF YOU UNDERSTAND

MY QUESTION. >> OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES IS WE HAVE TO SET STANDARDS OF WHICH WE HOLD PEOPLE BY. WE CAPTAIN PICK AND CHOOSE, WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE THE STANDARDS BUT THEN WE CAN'T D CAN'T DIVE DEVIATE. WE HAVE TO HAVE DATA THAT JUSTIFIES WHATEVER WE'RE DOING. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HERE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT WE CALL LEVELS OF SERVICE AND THOSE RUN A-F, CORRECT, ALLISON, AND LEVELS OF SERVICE, A MEANS YOU COULD GO WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE TOUGHER THAN A LOT OF OUR DEVELOPERS WOULD LIKE BECAUSE WE EXPECT A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE. BUT, SHE'LL TALK THROUGH THAT. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS OUR PERCEPTION OF TRAFFIC AND THE REALITY OF WHAT GOES INTO A STUDY ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THAT FRUSTRATING PEOPLE. IT FRUSTRATES OUR STAFF AS TIMES HOWEVER WE CAN'T JUST PICK OUT OF THE AIR BY PROJECT BECAUSE OF PERCEPTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TIE TO SOME DATA TO BE ABLE TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING, ALLISON?

>> WHAT SHE SAID. WE ACTUALLY LOOK IT AT THE PEAK POWER MOVEMENT TOSS DETERMINE THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE. THE A TO YOUR AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC IS A METRIC THAT WE USE. BUT, WE LOOK AT PEAK HOUR AND THE IMPACTS OF THOSE.

>> SO, IN THIS CASE, HOW DOES RICHLAND ROAD FAIR IN THE GRADING IN THOSE MOST TRAVELED TIMES?

>> WE ESTABLISH ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DESIGN MANUAL THAT AS MEGHAN MENTIONED ARE MORE STRINGENT THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES. BASED ON STANDARDS THAT WE ESTABLISHED, MORE THAN 10-PLUS YEARS AGO, THEY'RE WITHIN THOSE RANGES. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> SO, AT A PEAK HOUR AT OUR MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND OTHER THINGS WE'RE VERY RARELY ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING BETTER THAN D.

IT MEANS FOR DEVELOPERS TO, AND THERE IS QUITE A BIT THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES, I CALL IT NEGOTIATING, BUT, THE MOST PHONE CALLS I GET IS THAT WE'RE BEING TOO DIFFICULT. THE CITY ENGINEER HOLDS PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE OF HOW YOUR GOING TO MITIGATE THAT. THERE'S A MINOR CHANGE TO SIGNAL TIMING AND YES, SOMETIMES EVEN WHEN THEY GET TWEAKED, THEY GET OUT OF SYNC.

PEAK OUT LEVEL OF SERVICE D. THAT'S MORE THE PEOPLE ON RICHLAND ROAD AS OPPOSED TO THE PEOPLE ON SHUG. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HERE IS THAT THE PERCEPTION IS AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE PERCEPTION, IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO REEK HAVOC. AND WE HEARD PEOPLE SAY, HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GET OUT LEFT WHEN WE CAN'T GET OUT RIGHT. AND DONAHUE AND MORESVILLE EXPERIENCED THAT IN THE MORNING AND PEOPLE GET, AND THE CITY ENGINEER DON'T LIKE WHEN PEOPLE DO THIS, THEY GET IN THE CENTER LANE AN GET ACROSS ONE LANE. THEY HAVE TO SIT THERE UNTIL SOMEBODY LETS THEM OVER. YOU COULD TURN OFF AND GO THROUGH YARBORROW FARMS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A STREET THAT

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GOES THROUGH THERE, AND IT'S NOT FAST BUT THERE ARE OTHER OUTLETS. SO, BEHAVIOR WILL BE DICTATED BY PEOPLE'S COMMUTE.

BUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE DEALING WITH A SIMILAR CONDITION AND IT IS PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE THAT EVERYONE A RICHLAND ROAD WOULD BE LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU EXACERBATE THIS FURTHER. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS PEOPLE IN THE BACK STILL HAVE TO GET OUT. AND WE HEARD A PERSON MENTION THE OUTER LOOP.

THE OUTER LOOP ITEMS WHICH ARE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ARE IN 2026 AND 2028, ALLISON HAVE PUT IN AND THOSE ARE NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED, THEY'RE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD FUND, DESIGN. NOT CONSTRUCTION. IN WORK SESSION WE HAD LAST NIGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT I WANTED TO MOVE UP RICHLAND TO MRS. JAMES PIECE BUT THAT'S GREAT IT DOESN'T GET US INTO THE MIDDLE OF AUBURN. THEY'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO GET PIECES OF THIS BUILT, ONE OF THOSE OTHER PIECES THAT WAS SLATED FOR DESIGN IS RICHLAND TO HIGHWAY 14. THAT IS ONE OF OUR MOST DIFFICULT SECTIONS OF RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ACQUIRE. IT'S GETTING THAT PIECE DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY BIG CHALLENGES GETTING THAT DONE. HOWEVER, WE SPENT OVER $8 MILLION ON RICHLAND ROAD THAT NOBODY HELPS US WITH AND NO DEVELOPER IS PAYING FOR, WE HAVE A SMALL CONTRIBUTION FROM THE PLAINSMAN LAKE. A SMALL CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THAT BUT THE CITY ITSELF IS SPENDING OVER $8 MILLION TO BUILD THAT ROAD TO TRY AND HELP.

AND IT WAS ALSO WITH GREAT INTENTION TO HAVE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT MARTIN LUTHER KING DRDRIVE. SO, BOTH WEBSTER AND HIGHWAY 14 WHICH WILL HELP OTHERS. SO, FOLKS IN WILLOW CREEK RIGHT NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET TO THAT. AND WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALSO CONNECT AND NOTICED A NEIGHBORHOOD TO WILBEAKNER PARKWAY. I BELIEVE WE DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT BEHAVIOR, BUT, THE MODEL WAS CONSERVATIVE AS YOU HEARD FROM THE CITY ENGINEER.

>> AND ONE THING THAT I FAILED TO MENTION, COUNCILMAN PARSONS, IN ADDITION TO OUR STANDARDS WE USE FEDERAL GUIDELINES TO DEVELOP OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY OF AUBURN'S

REQUIREMENTS. >> THANK YOU.

>> IT'S A MEASURING STICK, THEY'RE NOT PERFECT. AND DRIVER BEHAVIOR DOES CHANGE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANYONE ELSE WITH A COMMENT? YES, SIR

MR. GRISWOLD. >> HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION FOR SIGNALIZING ANY OF THESE EXITS ONTO RICHLAND

ROAD? >> THEY WOULD NOT MEET ANY SIGNAL WARRANTS, SO, NO CONSIDERATION. SGH THEY WOULDN'T MEET THE CITY'S SIGNAL WARRANTS?

>> WE USE THE FEDERAL MANUAL ON UNIFORMED TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES TO WARRANT SIGNALS. AND WITH A SMALL DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, IT WOULD NOT WARRANT. EVEN WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING

DOWN RICHLAND ROAD. >> THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOUR WELCOME.

>> >> MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BUT I WANT TO STATE THEM ANYWAY. FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS AND I APPRECIATE THE BUFFERS AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY. BUT, IF WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE SAY, OH, MY GOODNESS, WE'VE MADE A MISTAKE, THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME DISCUSSING FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, GIVE ME SOME LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE, I THINK, THAT, IF WE MADE A MISTAKE, WE CAN FIX IT. WE CAN, UM, PUT TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN, OR, WE CAN T UM, CAMPAIGN TO HAVE AN EXIT ONTO SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY. BUT, WE'LL FIND A WAY IS WHAT I THINK THAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY IS THE CITY STAFF ESTABLISHED AND THE COUNCIL ADOPTED STANDARDS IN OUR MANUALS AS WELL AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING IS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPLIES WITH THOSE STANDARDS. AND SO, THAT IS WHY THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THE PROCEEDING. THEY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, BUT, THE VERY SAME TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE SAME SCRUTINY ABOUT BUFFERS AND OTHER THINGS WOULD HAVE GONE ON BY STAFF HOWEVER, THERE WOULDN'T BE THE WIDTH OF

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THE BUFFER ON ONE SIDE, AND THE DEVELOPER IF YOU ASKED WOULD NOT BE EXCELLED TO PROVIDE THE BUFFER ON RICHLAND ROAD. WE CAN ASK FOR THOSE THINGS WHEN IT HAS THE GRAVITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT. YOU CAN FIT A LOT OF WHICH NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BECAUSE IT'S A PERMITTED BY RIGHT USE.

ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'VE HAD VERY SAME DRIVE WAYS AND TRAFFIC STUDIES GOING ON. AND SO, LET'S JUST SAY THAT PEOPLE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP PROPERTY AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE STAFF DID EARLY ON IS WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AN ENCOURAGE THEM TO PURSUE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT IT AND SEE ABOUT IT AND THEY WERE AMENABLE TO DOING SO FROM DAY ONE AS WE BEGAN WORKING WITH THEM. AND THERE WAS A RUB WITH STAFF EARLY ON, BECAUSE, OF THE LAND USE PLANNING WE WANTED TO SEE COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA AND IT DID GROW FROM NOTHING TO 5,000 CARE FEET TO 20. SO, WE'RE BIG ON SERVING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH COMMERCIAL AND WE HOPE THAT THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE NEGLECTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THERE'S A SIDEWALK RUNNING ALONG THIS SIDE OF THE STREET AND WE MAYBE ABLE TO FIND A WAY WE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE WORK SESSION TO GET IT TO YARBORROW

FARMS. >> I'M GOOD.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. CROUCH, MR. WALSH MENTIONED IT'S A DANGEROUS SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO GET TO THE TURN LANE QUICKLY ON SOME OF THESE S-CURVES, HAVE WE HAD REPORTS FROM PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THINGS ARE GETTING DICEY AN PEOPLE ARE GETTING IMPATIENT.

>> SO, WE HAVE THE TYPICAL COMPLAINTS THAT USUALLY FOCUS AROUND THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR FOR TRAFFIC CONGESTION, WE TRY TO MITIGATE THOSE THE BEST WE CAN WITH INCREASED IN PRESENCE OF THE PATROL VEHICLES AND, UM, THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY DO. BUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE HAD ANY

SPECIFIC COMPLAINTS TO THAT. >> IF RESIDENTSES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE DRIVING DANGEROUSLY OUT THERE, THEY CAN CALL THE

NON-ENERGY NUMBER, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. WE ENCOURAGE THAT.

>> IT'S NOT UNCOMMON WHEN CITIZENS REACH OUT, WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF YOU REACHED OUT TO ME WITH CONSTITUENT CONCERNS AND IT GETS ON A HOT SHEET AND INTERESTINGLY ONCE THE PATROL IS OUT THERE, PEOPLE BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY. WE PLACE PEOPLE OUT THERE AT RANDOM TIMES AT A GENTLE REMINDER. THAT'S WHY

WE'RE OUT ON PATROL. >> MS. CROUCH AS WE MOVE AHEAD JUST REMIND EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE

FOR PDD. >> IT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY WHICH IS BASICALLY APPROVING THE HOUSING UNIT PIECE OF THIS AND THE COMMERCIAL PIECE WHICH YOU HAVE A FOLLOW ON ACTION AS THE ADDITIONAL USE, IT IS THE ACTUAL COMMERCIAL USES ITSELF. MR. HOWARD.

>> SO, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU WITH THE PDD IS THE PDD OVERLAY FOR THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT. IT IS PART OF THE REQUEST WHICH YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR PARKED IS FOR 275 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND THEY PROPOSED TO BUILD THEM OUT IN A VARIETY OF TYPES. THERE'S THAT COMPONENT WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS AT THE CORNER OF 6 OR 7 ACRES, IT WOULD BE 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, IN THE FOLLOW USE APPROVAL. IN OUR ORDINANCE AND TWO OF THEM WERE THERE AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND A THIRD ONE CAME ALONG AND THAT WAS PER OUR CORRIDOR OVERLAY REGULATIONS. IT WILL MEANS WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT BACKS OF BUILDINGS IN QUITE THAT WAY. AND IT SAID A MINIMUM OF A 30-FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER. AND LASTLY, THERE WAS THE FORMER REQUEST TO ALDOT ABOUT THE SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: THANK YOU. COUNCIL, ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THE VOTE?

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>> FOR CLARITY'S SAKE TO BE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF A PDD IS AND WHAT THE PROMISE OF A PDD IS, IN THE EVENT THAT ANY OF THIS BEFORE US IS ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY, IT MUST COME BEFORE US AGAIN IN COUNCIL, CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO, IF THE COMMERCIAL, SAY THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO ALL RESIDENTIAL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU. COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT COMING BACK. AND SO, THAT ALSO MEANS IT SURVIVES TIME. IF THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES AND WOULD NO LONGER ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THIS AREA, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD THIS FOR THE LONG-TERM AS LONG AS THEY STICK WITH THE PLAN. SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES ARE TO YOU. AND THAT'S THE PLANNING DIRECTOR?

>> THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WHO WAS THE INTERIM DIRECTOR IS EXCITED ABOUT THE PERMANENT PLANNING DIRECTOR.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, I'LL HAVE TO ADMIT, I WAS DISAPPOINTED, I REALLY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A MORE COMMERCIAL EMPHASIS AT THIS CORNER, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ROOF TOPS ON RICHLAND ROAD THERE'S TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY HOPE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF REASONS FOR PEOPLE NOT TO HAVE TO GET OUT TO SHUG JORDAN BUT STAY IN THAT AREA TO FULFILL THEIR DAILY NEEDS. AS MS. WITTEN SAID AWHILE AGO, WITH THE CDD ZONING WE MAY HAVE NEVER HAD THIS MEETING TONIGHT, THERE WAS PERMITTED RIGHTS FOR THE DEVELOPER TO DO A NUMBER OF OF THINGS. BECAUSE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE QUALITY DEVELOPERS, THEY SAT AT THE TABLE WITH STAFF AND WORKED THROUGH THOSE AND LISTENED TO THE CITIZENS AND THE DAIS AND ADDED THINGS THAT I BELIEVE MAKE THIS A POTENTIALLY GREAT DEVELOPMENT. I'M SHOCKED THAT MARKET RATE APARTMENTS ARE FULL IN OUR COMMUNITY\. IT'S INTERESTING WHERE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I THINK THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO WHO WE

ARE AS AUBURN. >>> I'M HOPEFUL AND EVERYTHING THAT I LEARNED ABOUT THIS DROOP OF PEOPLE IS THAT THEY DO GOOD WORK. THEY'VE SAID THEY'RE NOT FOCUSED ON STUDENTS BUT FOCUSED ON FAMILIES AND PROFESSIONALS AND OTHERS NOT GOING TO CLASS EVERYDAY. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO BETH FOR DIGGING IN.

WITH THE CONSTITUENTS, AND THE DEVELOPERS AND STAFF. AND I BELIEVE SHE DUG IN FOR ALL OF US WITH QUESTIONS TO GET US TO A POINT OF RESOLUTION, BUT, I DO PLAN TO SUPPORT THIS.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THROUGH ALL OF THAT, UM, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THAT, I ASKED THIS QUESTION IN THE MEETING THAT WE HAD. ALL OF T DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL IS RENTAL?

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> AT THIS TIME, CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> MOREMAN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COBLENTZ? >> YES, MA'AM.

[10.a. Conditional use approval. The District at Richland Road Conditional Uses. Property located at the northwest corner of Shug Jordan Parkway, and Richland Road. Planning Commission recommendation. Public hearing required.]

>> GRISWOLD? >> YES, MA'AM?

>> ANDERS >> YES.

>> MOTION CARRIES. FOR THE DISTRICT OF RICHLAND ROAD LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST RN COOER OF SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY WITH NOW A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY. PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINCE. NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL? SDM CAN

>> CAN WE JUST WALK THROUGH FOR THE SAKE OF OUR CONSTITUENTS WHAT USES WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WOULD BE APPROVED.

>> GO AHEAD MR. HOWARD. IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER WITH A PDD ALL USES ARE CONDITIONAL. SO, WE HAD A SITDOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO US AND WENT THROUGH THE USES AND KIND OF WHITTLED THIS DOWN TO ESSENTIALLY THE REQUEST THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. SO, THERE IS A LENGTHY LIST BUT THEY'RE A FRACTION OF A LOT OF THE USES WE HAVE OUT THERE.

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FIRST ONE OUTDOOR RECREATION USE, PRIVATE PARK, INSTITUTIONAL USES, DAY CARE CENTER, PRIVATE LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS, BOWLING ALLEYS, INDOOR ATHLETIC FACILITIES, COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES BANKS, BARBER SHOPS/BEAUTY SHOPS. GROCERY STORES, HARDWARE STORES, HEALTH AND PERSONAL CARE STORES, LOUNGE, OFFICE SUPPLIES, STATIONARY, GIFT STORES, PACKAGE STORES, PET AND PET SUPPLY STORES, PROFESSIONAL STUDIOS, RESTAURANTS, SPECIALTY FOOD STORES, THEATERS, INDOOR AUDITORIUMS, VETERINARY CLINIC, ROAD SERVICE USES INCLUDING A BANK WITH DRIVE-THRU, CONVENIENCE STORES, FAST-FOOD RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THRU, PUBLIC SERVICE USES, MUNICIPAL OFFICES OR FACILITIES, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTERS.

>>> ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION BRIEFLY IN REGARDS TO THE DRIVE-THRU USES ARE INTENDED AS PART OF THIS PACTETTE.

>> AND THAT'S THE ONE NORTHERN UTILITY

>> AND CORRECT. >> AND NO FUEL FOR THIS

LOCATION. >> CORRECT.

>> AND ANY CHANGES TO THIS IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU

SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT. >> SO, DOES THIS HAVE TO BE

APPROVED AGAIN? >> SO, THAT'S PART OF AGREEING TO BEING IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, IF YOU IDENTIFY A LOCATION FOR SUCH A DRIVE-THRU, THAT COULD BE APPROVED NOW. IN THE CASE OF A GAS STATION, THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT THIS STAGE UNLESS IT CAME BACK TO YOU.

>> WHICH BUILDING WOULD WE ALLOW DRIVE-THRU USES?

>> IT'S THE ONE TO THE LEFT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY CHANGE TO THIS DESIGN, THE WAY THE DRIVE-THRU'S DONE

COMES BACK TO US? >> SO, IF THERE'S A VERY SLIGHT MINOR CHANGE TO, LET'S SAY HOW IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LENGTH OF IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR'S DISCRETION. IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WANTED TO DO A DRIVE-THRU ON THE OTHER BUILDING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR CHANGE AND IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL. IT'S UP TO THE INTERPRETATION OF THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WETHER OR NOT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

>> HE'S READY. LOOK AT HIM. >> MAYOR ANDERS: OKAY. ALL

[10.b. Stivers Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram. Purchase twenty‐three (23) Dodge Durango Pursuit SUVs. Police Department. $966,384.28.]

RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OPPOSED IN MOTION CURRYES.

>> ITEM 10 B AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF 203 DODGE DER RANG GO SURSUITS SUVS. MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY COMMENTS

OR QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: PLEASE. >> THE MEMORANDUM STATES THAT THE AUBURN CITY SCHOOLS COMMITTED TO PROVIDE FUNDING TOWARDS THE POLICE FLEET AND HOW MANY THINGS ARE FOR EXPANSION?

>> 10. >> SO, WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF CONTRIBUTION FROM AUBURN CITY SCHOOLS?

>> THIS YEAR THEY'RE FULLY FUNDING ONE VEHICLE WHICH WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE -- THESE WERE OUR GOING ON PATROL THAT WE'RE RECYCLING OUR OLDER VEHICLES INTO THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM. BECAUSE, THE REQUEST WAS FOR THE SCHOOL YEAR TO HAVE A MARKED VEHICLE AT EVERY SCHOOL. SO, PART OF OUR NEGOTIATION WAS THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

>> WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE MARKED UNIT AT EVERY SCHOOL CAMPUS AND THEY'VE COMMITTED TO ASSISTING WITH THAT EFFORT WHETHER IT BE AS IN THIS YEAR FUNDING, ONE FULL VEHICLE PURCHASE OR, MODIFYING SOME OF THE OTHER VEHICLES THAT WE'VE

MOVED OVER. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ARE THERE FUTURE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THEM TOWARDS THIS EXPANSION PLANNED?

>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE LEVEL OF FUNDING BUT I KNOW THEY'RE FAVORABLE FOR KEEPING THIS PROJECT ACTIVE.

>> I FULLY SUPPORT HAVING THE ONE MARKED VEHICLE IN EACH SCHOOL, BUT, I WONDER WHO WILL END UP FOOTING THE BILL?

>> YEAH, WE WILL ALSO BE KIND OF CYCLING SOME THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NORMALLY CYCLE OUT OF OUR FLEET AND WE'LL LEAVE IN THE FUNCTIONAL VEHICLES AND THE ONES WE'RE PLACING IN YOUR PACKAGE ARE HIGH MILEAGE AND HIGH MAINTENANCE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. THIS REQUEST CAME A LITTLE LATE FOR US TO BE CAUGHT UP IN A NUMBER OF THINGS. AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT

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THAT THE DODGE DURANGOS WERE A NO CHOICE SITUATION. WE'RE NOT OUT THERE TO CATCH ANYONE BECAUSE WE HAVE FORD EXPLORERS, CHEVY TAHOES. AND THIS IS WHAT IS OFFERED WITH PROPER POLICE, AND THINGS THAT ARE UPFIT FOR THE VEHICLES FOR THE NEEDS OF THE POLICE, IT WAS NOT OUR DESIRE TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT STYLES IN OUR FLEET, IT'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND AT THE RIGHT

PRICE. >> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER

[10.c. Transfer budgeted funds to the Industrial Development Board for additional industrial property. Parcel located along Lee Road 009, adjacent to the existing Board owned property near Auburn Technology Park West. $2.8 million.]

QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> (CHORUS OF AYES).

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES.

>> ITEM 10 C AUTHORIZES THE TRANSFER FOR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD OF THE CITY OF AUBURN FOR THE PURCHASE OF 160 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON LEE ROAD 0009, ALSO KNOWN AS BUILT MORE LANE.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY

QUESTIONS? >> LOOKING AT THE MAP, THERE'S A SECTION OF LAND JUST ABOVE THE IDBO LAND, THAT IS T APPARENTLY NOT IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK THERE?

>> ARE YOU REFERRING, THERE'S A STRIP IF YOU'RE HOLDING IN TO THE RIGHT, THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THE INDUSTRIAL BOARD.

>> IS THE INDUSTRIAL BOARD INTERESTED IN THAT STRIP AS

WELL? >> THE INDUSTRIAL BOARD HAS LONG BEEN INTERESTED IN THAT STRIP, BUT, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE IT IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> IT'S ISOLATED ON EITHER

SIDE. >> WE OWN IT BELOW IT AND ABOVE

IT. YES. >> .

>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN

[10.d. Authorize $525,000 loan to Indian Pines Public Park Authority for additional construction costs related to Pines Crossing Golf Course Improvements.]

FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >>

(CHORUS OF AYES). >> MOTION CARRIES.

>> ITEM 10 D AUTHORIZES A $525,000 LOAN TO INDIAN PINES PUBLIC PARK AUTHORITY FOR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS RELATED TO PINES CROSSING GOLF COURSE IMPROVEMENTS.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR ANDERS: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

[12. CITIZENS’ OPEN FORUM.]

>> (CHORUS OF AYES)

>> THOSE ARE THE ITEMS OF BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU

THIS EVENING. >> MAYOR ANDERS: AT THIS TIME, WE OPEN THE CITIZENS' OPEN FORUM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE 3 MINUTES TO DO THAT.

>> ROBERT WILKINS, 261 AUBURN DRIVE. IT'S OFFICIAL, I'M SORRY, GREED HAS BUILT THE MODERN AUBURN WHILE IGNORING AUBURN CITIZEN'S CONCERN. IT'S OFFICIAL THE CITY OF AUBURN HAS WON THE ALABAMA SUPREME COURT DECISION, DIXON VERSUS THE CITY OF AUBURN WITH AN 9-0 DECISION ON OCTOBER THE 27TH, 2023 WITH ACCESS TO ENDLESS TAXPAYERS MONEY, OUR MONEY WHILE THE AUBURN CITIZENS HAVE LOST THEIR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND PROPERTY RIGHTS. MANY AUBURN CITIZENS BELIEVE THAT THE VOTING WHILE DESTROYING 151 AUBURN FAMILIES. AS EACH MONTH GOES BY, ANOTHER FAMILY IS SELLING THEIR HOME. I HOPE THAT YOU ARE PROUD OF YOUR DECISION. YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WAS NON-EXISTENT. YOU, MAYOR, SHOULD HAVE RECUSED YOURSELF LIKE COUNCILMAN DIXON. INSTEAD, YOU CONVINCED ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WAS UNDECIDED TO VOTE YES FOR THE ORDINANCE. THE MARRY AND THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE AUBURN CITIZENS. LET ME CLARIFY THE DEFINITION OF BUREAUCRATS, IT'S ONLY THE UPPER 70% OF OUR LEADERS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WONDERFUL EMPLOYEES WHO CAME TO MY HOUSE TO FIX A SEWER ISSUE, OR THE EFFICIENT AUBURN FIRE DEPARTMENT'S IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WHEN MY WIFE'S BLOOD PRESSURE RAPIDLY ROSE OVER 200. OR THE KIND OF OFF-DUTY OFFICER WHO ON A SUNDAY, DOWNTOWN WHILE WITH HIS FAMILY JUMPED OFF MY SUV WITH HIS TRUCK. I APPRECIATE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. NONE OF YOU CAN GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON, FACT-DRIVEN DATA FOR THIS DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE THAT IS INVOLVED ON HALF OF THE AUBURN POPULATION. AS A COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD TOLD ME OVER AND OVER THAT THIS ORDINANCE 3288 WAS FOR THE BETTER OF THE WHOLE. SIR, DO YOU AND YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS EVER ASK YOUR VOTERS FOR THEIR OPINION? NOT JUST THEIR VOTES BUT MAYBE SAY I'M YOUR COUNCIL PERSON AND I WOULD LIKE YOUR INPUTS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT YOUR WARD AND OUR WARD AND CITY? YOUR CONSTITUENTS BELIEVE THEIR OPINION IS NOT IMPORTANT. WHY