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CALL THE MARCH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
LEFT-HANDED. IS THIS WORKING? I'M SO SORRY. THIS HAS GOT ME MESSED UP, I APOLOGIZE. ROLL CALL, PLEASE, I'M SORRY.
>> ROBIN BRIDGES? >> KNOW THAT BREEZE? BOB RICHTON PARK? DAVID WISDOM? THANK YOU SO MUCH. BEFORE WE START I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW FOR THE PROCESS OF THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WILL BE PRESENTED BUT ARE PRESENTED FOR THE AGENDA ITEM WE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS, ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. WE WILL THEN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AS APPROPRIATE PER ITEM AND THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE AGENDA ITEM AT HAND. WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEARD AND I ASKED YOU KEEP YOUR TIME TO FIVE MINUTES. AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN THE REPRESENTATIVE AND STAFF WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION AND BOTH. THEY WILL VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, THE CONFERENCE A PLAN AND THE GENERAL GOOD OF COMMUNITY. HAVING SUMMARIZED THE BASIS OF THE COMMISSION HEARING AND VOTING PROCESS I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE OUR ROLES AND RESPONSE ABILITIES RELATED TO THE APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLAT BY ALABAMA STATUTE AS INVISIBLE PLANNING. COMMISSION, SUCH AS OURS IS THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR SUBDIVISION PLAT. THE COUNT COMMISSION ACTS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND IS BOUND BY STATE LAWS, CITY ORDINANCE AND PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THIS COMMISSION. WHILE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED WE WELCOME ANY AND ALL PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THOSE ITEMS BUT UNDERSTAND COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY IS LIMITED TO CONFIRMING THE PLAQUE MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS CODIFIED IN LAWS AND REGULATIONS. THANK
YOU. >> IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK NOW ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN CITIZENS COMMUNICATION NOW. WE WILL
[CONSENT AGENDA ]
MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS, DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? WE WILL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY ANDTHE MEETING MINUTES. >> MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> AYE. ONTO NEW BUSINESS. I'M SORRY.
>> THANK YOU. JUST AN UPDATE TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT. ONE OF THE ITEMS, CHILDREN'S SCHOOL ON DRAKE, THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE PUBLICATION TO BE ADVERTISED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COMPLIANT, SO I GUESS WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM -- WE REMOVED IT FROM THE PRESENTATION BUT WE WILL NEED TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING IN APRIL. THAT IS THE CHILDREN'S SCHOOL. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ADVERTISED. I WANT TO PUSH ON THAT. I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY ARE AWARE AND OKAY WITH IT THE APRIL MEETING.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
[2. Conditional Use - Shug Jordan ACDI Complex Expansion - PUBLIC HEARING ]
FOR THE FIRST ITEM OF TONIGHT'S NEW BUSINESS AGENDA THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL APPROVAL FOR CONSTRUCTION USE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE 900 PARK OF SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY, SOUTH OF MLK DRIVE. THE REQUEST TO EXPAND THE COMPLEX OF THE AUBURN CENTER FOR DEVELOPING INDUSTRIES. THE SITE PLAN, INCLUDING THE APPLICATION SHOWS[00:05:04]
NEW BUILDINGS BEING MADE ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS RECONFIGURATION OF THE LOTS. THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE FURNITURE ALONG SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY BUT IT WILL NEED ACCESS ALONG PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH.>> NO OTHER MAJOR COMMENTS. >> GREAT, THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT NOW.
SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS APPLICANT -- THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE 2024 NUMBER
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE.
[3. Conditional Use - Arch Co North Dean Road - PUBLIC HEARING ]
>> SEEING NO ONE, MOTION CARRIES.
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. ARCH COUNTY NORTH DEAN ROAD. THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE FOR A MULTIFAMILY UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR 250 UNITS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THIS IS THEIR THIRD ITERATION. THERE IS NOTHING CURRENTLY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT RESTRICTS THE NUMBER OF TIMES SOMEONE CAN SUBMIT A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION SO THERE IS NOT GROUNDS FOR DENIAL BASED ON HOW MAY TIMES THEY HAVE RESUBMITTED. I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT SO THIS MEETS ALL THE GROUNDS FOR APPROVAL FOR CONDITIONAL USE. PAST CONDITIONAL USE HAVE EXPIRED, THIS IS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE SUBMISSION THAT MUST BE TREATED ON ITS OWN MERITS, AS AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT AND ITS MISSION THIS MEETS ALL THE GROUNDS FOR APPROVAL AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> WHY COULD THEY NOT OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT?
>> YEAH, SO IT HAS NEVER MADE IT TO THAT STAGE AND I THINK IT'S STILL KIND OF -- A LOT OF THE THINGS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET
THERE, SO -- >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL OPEN THAT NOW.
>> GOOD EVENING. IF YOU DON'T MIND SIGNING AND AFTER YOU
>> OKAY. THE NAME IS RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
>> HELLO, I AM JAMES GOLDSTEIN I AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK FROM WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE. A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS, I KNOW IT'S A DONE DEAL SO THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. ON THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES. IT'S KIND OF A GENERAL TREND IN AUBURN THAT IS INCREASING OUR TOWN FROM BEING A HEAT SINK, THE MORE TREES AND GREEN SPACE THAT IS REMOVED FOR DEVELOPMENT, THE HOTTER THE CITY IS GOING TO GET AND THE MORE WE WILL BE SPENDING ON AIR CONDITIONING AND SO ON. I WISH THERE WAS MORE FORWARD THINKING ABOUT THAT. AT THE PROPERTY OWNER ACROSS THE CREED, MORE IMMEDIATELY, I MUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED RISK OF FLOODING BECAUSE THE RUNOFF, INSTEAD OF BEING ABSORBED BY ALL THOSE TREES AND GREEN SPACES WHEN YOU PAVE IT OVER, IT JUST SPEEDS UP THE RUNOFF. I DO KNOW THERE ARE ALREADY TIMES IN HEAVY RAIN WHERE THE CREEK COMES UP A LITTLE BIT AND IT IS WEARING THAT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE ONCE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CREATED. IT'S NOT REALLY UP FOR DEBATE. AND THEN THE SURGE, ON THE MORE SENTIMENTAL ISSUE, THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT LIVES IN THEIR AS I SIT ON MY DECK AND I HEAR IT AND SEE IT. SO JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO, I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR A WILD TURKEY FROM THAT SMALL LITTLE PATCH OF FOREST AND I CERTAINLY HEARD MANY OTHER KINDS OF BIRDS AND SEEING DEER AND SO ON. IT'S PRETTY SMALL SPACE, ALL THINGS CONSIDERING. I WISH PEOPLE WOULD THINK MORE ABOUT THE DISRUPTIONS WE CAUSED TO THE NATURAL WORLD IN THE INTERESTS OF PROFIT AND SO ON. I KNOW THERE'S NOTHING FOR AN
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY BUT THIS WOULD BE ONE KIND OF THING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LEGALLY REQUIRED REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE, A USEFUL THING TO SET PEOPLE'S MINDS AT REST TO UNDERSTAND THE BALANCE OF PLUSES AND MINUSES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ANYWAY I WANTED TO GET INTO THE PUBLIC RATHER RECORD THAT THERE AREN'T , I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP THE PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>> THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS?
COMMENTS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IT MIGHT BE AN ENGINEERING TYPE QUESTION. THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED THAT THERE IS NO REQUIRED BY LAW ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? WHAT IS NORMAL, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA.
>> FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THIS CITY DOES NOT GET PRIVATE ENVIRONMENTAL, WHAT WE DO MANAGE WOULD BE THE SUBMISSION OF A PERMIT FOR STORMWATER DISCHARGE OR ANY U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMIT. THOSE THINGS WE REQUIRE IF THEY ARE NECESSARY FOR A PROJECT. IF THERE WERE A PRIOR GAS STATION ON THIS SITE AND THERE WERE MEDICATION OR SOME CLEANUP DONE, WE WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT WAS DONE. THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.
>> MOVED TO APPROVE . >> SECOND.
>> I HAVE A MOCHA AND MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN
>> MOTION CARRIES. OH, I'M SORRY. ONE MOMENT. I APOLOGIZE.
[4. Conditional Use - The Children's House - PUBLIC HEARING]
THIS IS THE CHILDREN'S HOUSE ON OUR PAGES SO WE NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE DATE. THE DATE IS APRIL 11.>> THANK YOU. CAN I GET EVERYONE'S APPROVAL ON THAT?
>> AYE. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW THAT
[5. Conditional Use-1120 South College-PUBLIC HEARING]
THAT HAS MOVED ON, OKAY, SORRY, NEXT.>> FOR THIS ITEM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR ROAD SURFACE USE, BEING A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH COMPONENT. I WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, THAT IS NOT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT. THE PROPERTY IS IS LOCATED ON 1120 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET IN THE CDD DISTRICT AND THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT UNIVERSITY VILLAGE. THE COMPONENT IS ADDITIONAL USE IN CDD BUT THERE IS PROPERTY ACROSS FROM SOUTH COLLEGE THAT IS SOUTH COLLEGE QUARTER DISTRICT WHERE THEY ARE TAKEN BY RIGHT. STAFF FINDS THAT THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH NEARBY LAND USES AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. IF APPROVED, A TRANSPORTATION IMPACT STUDY WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE DIT PROCESS AND TALES SUGGESTING LANDSCAPING OF THE DRIVEWAY STACK WILL BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
>> AND THIS IS FOR THE USE OF THE SAME EXISTING BUILDING?
>> THE EXISTING BUILDING WAS A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH. SO THEY ARE DOING SOME INTERIOR ALTERATIONS AND INSTALLING THE DRIVE-THROUGH COMPONENT.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
I WILL OPEN THAT NOW. THE APPLICANT -- OH, I'M SORRY.
YOU ARE HERE. OKAY. OPEN PUBLIC HEARING, DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT AND OR STAFF?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS GOING TO TAKE, THE ENTRANCE FOR DONAHUE. NOT TAKING ACCESS FROM SOUTH
COLLEGES. >> THERE IS A JOINT DRIVEWAY
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TAKING ACCESS FROM SOUTH COLLEGE. YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PICTURE , THAT ACCESS IS SOUTH COLLEGE BUT IT WON'T TIE DIRECTLY TO SOUTH COLLEGE STREET.>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOTION?
>> MOVED TO APPROVE CU 2024 009.
>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, THANK YOU.
[6. Conditional Use - RaceTrac Fuel Center - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> THIS REQUEST IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF ROAD SERVICE USE, SPECIFICALLY A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SHELTON MILL ROAD AND U.S.
HIGHWAY 280. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE PROPERTY IT SELF IS OWNED WITHIN THE COMPETENCE OF DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR CDD ZONING DISTRICT AND SURROUNDED TO THE WEST AND SOUTH BY A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH IN THE DBH ZONING DISTRICT AND THE NORTH AND EAST, THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS SPECIFICALLY.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY 6000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IN A SITE WITH A TOTAL OF 12 FUEL PUMPS ON FIVE-POINT EIGHT TOTAL ACRES. THE WESTERN PARCEL, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE AUBURN CITY LIMITS AND IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR POINT FOR ACRES. TO THE EAST, THE YELLOW PARCEL RIGHT THERE IS ONE .4, APPROXIMATELY ACRE PARCEL PARCEL THAT IS WITHIN CITY LIMITS. CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THIS SAME TYPE OF USE WAS GRANTED AT THIS LOCATION IN JULY OF 2022 BUT IT HAS SINCE EXPIRED. SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
>> A LOT OF COMMENTS. ANY CONDITIONS OR COMMENTS OF NOTE
ON THIS? FROM STAFF? >> SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION JUST KIND OF AROUND DIESEL TRUCKS AND A LOT OF I GUESS NOT NECESSARILY BIG TRUCKS LIKE PEOPLE MAY HAVE JUST LIKE 18 WHEELERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT JUST A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THEM IDLING AND FUELING. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN, A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND POSSIBLY CONSIDERING THAT AS SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER AS PUTTING A RESTRICTION SIMILAR TO BUCKYS AS THEY HAVE ON THEIR SITE OR THIS SITE. THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY MAJOR ONE.
>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU.
>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. I UNDERS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH
PARTIES. >> IT FELT LIKE IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. AFTER WE HAD OUR INITIAL MEETING WITH FOLKS IN THE CITY, WE SENT OUT LETTERS TO ALL OF THE OWNERS OF LOTS IN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE MET AT THE AUBURN PUBLIC LIBRARY ON THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY. WE WERE THERE OVER AN HOUR, HAD OUR SITE PLAN AND TALKED ABOUT CIRCLE K, COMING THROUGH, WHAT THEY LIKED ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE. WE EXPLAINED KIND OF HOW WE LOOKED AT THAT SITE PLAN AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD THE FIRST GO ROUND AND DID HER BEST TO MAKE CHANGES. FOR INSTANCE, THOSE DIESEL DISPENSERS WERE VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE BACKSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. WE HAVE MOVED THAT TOWARDS 280. WE DID WHAT WE COULD TO MAKE CHANGES TO OUR SITE PLAN, INCLUDING ADDING THE ADDITION OF A CHAIN-LINK FENCE WHICH WAS A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION, DISCUSSED THE GREENBELT BUFFER AND THE PLANNING WITHIN THAT WAS GOING TO BE IN THERE. I FELT LIKE MANY PEOPLE FELT MORE INFORMED AND COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT. YES. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT DIESEL TRUCKS AND I WILL MENTION THAT WE ARE NOT A TRAVEL CENTER THAT HAS THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WILL ATTRACT LARGE 18 WHEELERS.
THERE'S NO SHOWERS, THERE'S NO PARKING FOR THOSE VEHICLES.
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THERE ARE OTHER RACETRACK MODELS THAT DO EXACTLY THAT AND THIS ISN'T IT. THESE ARE DIESEL PUMPS, THAT YES, AN 18 WHEELER THEORETICALLY COULD PULL IN THERE, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE SITE IS DESIGNED FOR AND WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE A BIG ATTRACTOR OF THOSE TYPE OF VEHICLES.>> I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT IN DOING THAT. I THINK ALL OF US DO. THAT'S A GOOD THING , WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. IT IS QUITE A DIFFERENT USE, YOU KNOW? IN TERMS OF BEING RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. THANKS FOR THAT.
>> I WILL SAY THAT OUR SITE IS COMPLIANT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THAT MAKES SENSE GIVEN THAT IT FRONTS HIGHWAY 280. I THINK THIS USE IS VERY COMMON AND APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TYPE OF ROADWAY, SO -- AND THEY ARE ALSO, THE SAME USE IS NEARBY, THERE ARE OTHER GAS STATIONS IN THE AREA. THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, YES, I DO. AND THAT IS ABOUT YOUR CUT ON TO 280 THAT I SEE GOING IN. IS THAT ONLY GOING IN? IS IT GOING IN AND OUT?
>> RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. >> AND IS THAT GOING TO TIE INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE THAT IS THERE BECAUSE IN THE MORNING, THAT REALLY STACKS UP.
>> OKAY, SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMING INTO AUBURN WHERE
RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT IS? >> YES. AND YOU WERE GOING TO COME DOWN AND TURN RIGHT ONTO SHELTON MILL FOR 280?
>> LET ME BRING DAVID ROGERS UP. EXITING RIGHT INTO THAT
TURN LANE? >> I'M SORRY, ARE THEY EXITING INTO THE TURN LANE, THAT IS CORRECT. OR IS IT GOING TO BE ENOUGH SPACE BETWEEN THE BEGINNING OF THE TURN LANE THAT'S ALREADY THERE TO SHELTON MILL COMING OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR EXIT ONTO 280. I JUST KNOW THAT IN THE MORNINGS, IT'S A VERY, VERY BUSY INTERSECTION. IT DOES STACK UP THERE. ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING WORK ON NORTH COLLEGE AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET DOWNTOWN.
>> AS PART OF THE SUBMITTAL, WE ARE DOING THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AS WE SPEAK. ANY REQUIREMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THE CONGESTION THAT'S THERE TODAY AND WOULD EXPECT NOT TO ADD TO IT. ANY ADDED TRAFFIC
CREATED BY THE RACETRACK. >> THE CITY MAINTAINS ON THE
>> YOU SUBMITTED IT SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR APPROVAL .
HAS BEEN ARRANGED, WE KNOW THEY ARE DOING THIS AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED WE COME TO AUBURN FIRST AND BASICALLY, IF WE GAIN CONDITIONAL USE HERE, WE EXPECT EVERYTHING, THAT IS
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD. >> GREAT, THANK YOU. THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE WILL LET THEM SPEAK AND CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING SO I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT AT THIS TIME. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK ABOUT THE GAS STATION. >> SEEING NO ONE -- YOUR MEETING MUST HAVE DONE WONDERS. SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS TIME AND COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS?
>> MOVE FOR CONDITIONAL USE, WITH RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY
COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES, THANK YOU.
MUSIC TO THE MAYOR'S EAR IF HE GETS APPROVAL HERE.
[7. Conditional Use - Glenn Triplex - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> GOOD EVENING. SO THIS NEXT REQUEST IS FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY A MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 620 EAST GLEN AVENUE, LOCATED IN THE CRT
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E ZONING DISTRICT, THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED BACK IN 2019 AS PART OF THE HARPER AVENUE FOCUS AREA STUDY. WE'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SINGLE-FAMILY AND TOWNHOUSES TO THE SOUTH. PROCK PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.36 ACRES. THEY ARE PROPOSING A THREE UNITS TRIPLEX WITH 12 BEDROOMS TOTAL THAT WILL REQUIRE 14 PARKING SPACES, WHICH THEY HAVE SHOWN HERE ON THE SITE PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS WORKING TO REVISE THE SITE PLAN TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR SAC STAFF COMMENTS, INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT FOR CROSS ACCESS TO THE EAST AND WEST. THE PROPERTY HAS RECEIVED TWO CONDITIONAL USE APPROVALS FOR PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST, A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, IN 2018, AND A MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN 2020. THOSE JUST DID NOT PROGRESS. ONE THING OF NOTE IS THE BUFFER YARD HERE ON THE EAST SIDE IS REQUIRED TO BE 10 FEET. THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE OR REDUCE A BUFFER YARD IN THE CRD-E ZONING DISTRICT AND IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO ACCOMMODATE A TWO-WAY DRIVE FILE HERE, TO FACILITATE THE PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WE HAVE ALLOWED THE APPLICANT TO REDUCE THIS BUFFER YARD FOR 5 FEET AND IT WILL BE RELOCATED HERE DOWN ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.WE FIND THAT THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND RECOMMENDED
APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL OPEN THAT NOW. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? IF YOU WILL, PLEASE SIGN AND
AFTER YOU SPEAK, THANK YOU. >> I WILL. I AM DOUG LEWIS I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHARLESTON HOAS. THE PROPERTY ABUTS A CHILLY PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH IT IS REAL CLOSE TO THE TOWNHOUSES SHE MENTIONED. OUR MAIN CONCERN IS WITH IMPERMEABLE SURFACE AND RUNOFF. AS I SEE IT, THE SITE PLAN DIDN'T HAVE ANY SMALL DETENTION POND. ALL OF THIS, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE LAND FROM THE STREET GOES DOWN AND IT WOULD END UP IN THAT LITTLE CREEK THAT RUNS DOWN TO THE HOAS OWNED DETENTION POND. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MOTION ISSUES AND A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ADDRESSING EROSION AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE ONE DAY. I AM REALLY CONCERNED THAT THIS MIGHT BE A PRESIDENT FOR OTHER PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO IT. I GUESS THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN.
>> I APPRECIATE. MAKING IT A PUBLIC LIBRARY SOUNDS GOOD TOO.
I WILL GET THE NEIGHBORS THERE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS
ITEM? >> SO, IN ADDITION TO THE RUNOFF -- MY NAME IS TARTT BROWN, I AM JUST A RESIDENT OF CHARLESTON. MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE RETENTION POND, THE CREEK COMES DOWN FROM GLENN, UNDER GLENN, AND ALL OF THE PROPERTIES ON HARPER AND THEY ARE NOW IMPERMEABLE IF THAT IS THE RIGHT WORD, SERVICES, HAS CREATED EVEN MORE RUNOFF AND/OR POLLEN. AS RECENT AS LAST WEEK WITH THAT BIG DELUGE, THE POND COMES OFF AND STARTS TO EXCEED THE EMERGENCY SPILLWAY. SO WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS IMPERMEABLE AND LIKELY OTHERS TO JOIN IT, IT'S GOING TO OVERRUN THAT POTENTIAL. THAT IS, UNFORTUNATELY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BECAUSE IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP UP WITH IT EVEN THOUGH IT
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IS PART OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM IN THE CITY WHICH I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. MY POINT IS, THERE COULD COME A TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO DO EXTENSIVE WORK TO DIG OUT THAT POND POND, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN HELPING OUT WITH THAT IN VAST MAJORITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE MONEY, NOR WILL WE EVER HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DREDGE THAT POND BACK OUT. THE POINT IS, ALL OF THESE IMPERMEABLE SERVICES IS GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM THAT YOU GUYS AND US ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. IF THE POND EXCEEDS ITS CAPACITY, EVERYTHING DOWNSTREAM, ALL THE WAY TO TOWN CREEK IS GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE SAME THING. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT AS A RESULT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AT HARPER, WHICH HAS LONG SINCE BEEN DONE.>> THANK YOU SURE. PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IT.
>> AFTER IS GREAT. >> I AM MICHAEL GROSS, I LIVE AT 677 GRAINS WAY, I AM ONE OF THE TWO HOUSES DIRECTED AT THE SOUTH END OF THIS. WHAT'S THE PLAN, GOING TO PUT IT BACK THERE, THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE LEVEL BECAUSE NOW THE YARD DOES HAVE LOOKED TO IT. BECAUSE AS DOUG AND TARTT HAVE SPOKEN, WE WILL GET RUNOFF. THE QUESTION THERE IS WILL IT NOT ONLY AFFECT OUR HOAS DRAINAGE SYSTEM BUT AMONG THOSE WHO ARE ALSO THERE, DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THIS, IS THAT RUNOFF GOING TO COME INTO OUR YARDS? I'M GUESSING THERE'S A FENCE OF SOME TYPE TO STOP IT. SO THE BIGGEST THING HERE . SOMETHING GOING ON IN THAT HOUSE, TURNED ON FIVE YEARS AGO. THAT'S REALLY PART OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERN. THERE IS A LEVEL THERE. RAISING THE PARKING LOT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT IS A BIG DROP TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT OR BUILDING ON A SLOPE ITSELF. THE WHOLE LOT JUST SLOPES DOWN TOWARD THE BACK. THAT IS OUR CONCERNS ON THE SIDE OF THE FENCE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO SEE A NOTE UNDER ENGINEERING AND CONDITIONS THAT A STORMWATER ANALYSIS IS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS. THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? COMMISSIONERS? CAN WE GET THE ANSWERS ABOUT OR IF
THAT'S JUST A BACKSIDE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, DAVID SLOCUM REPRESENTED THE DEVELOPER AND ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. WE HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY DESIGNED IT AND WE SUBMITTED PLANS ON WEDNESDAY TO THE DRG AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW. I AM HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED ALL OF THOSE ISSUES. WE HAVE DESIGNED A RETENTION AREA. IT'S A LONG, NARROW AREA WITH WETLAND TYPE PLANS AND REMEDIATION AND SO FORTH ALONG THE SOUTH END, EVERYTHING DOES LOAD TO THE SOUTH AND. THAT'S RETENTION AREA WILL ADDRESS RUNOFF CONCERNS. THERE IS ALSO THE PRIVACY FENCE. ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND PROBABLY ON THE EAST AND WEST.
>> I'M SORRY, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, I'M SORRY.
BROUGHT UP THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
>> SIR, EXCUSE ME, SIR? THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED.
EXCUSE ME, SIR? >> CAN I ASK THE QUESTION? WILL A 10 FOOT BUFFER HANDLE THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE? DO WE HAVE ANY ENGINEERING THAT CAN SAY DEFINITIVELY REQUIRING
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RUNOFF? >> SINCE THE PLANS WERE JUST SUBMITTED YESTERDAY I CANNOT DEFINITIVELY SAY RIGHT NOW THAT IT WILL BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL REVIEW. WHEN THIS CAME UP UNCONDITIONAL USE FOR THE PRIOR APPLICATION, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REVIEWED. THE SAME CONCERN PREVIOUSLY, SOMETHING WE ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO.
>> WOULD YOU SAY IT'S WITHIN THE THEORETICAL REALM OF POSSIBILITIES? CLOSE TO IT AT LEAST?
>> FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT TRAINED, IT JUST SOUNDS A LITTLE -- I DON'T KNOW. IT DOESN'T SOUND VERY SENSIBLE THAT ONLY 10 FEET CAN HANDLE THAT MUCH OF A RUNOFF.
>> IT'S POSSIBLE AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT IS DESIGNED.
WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT SO I DEFINITELY CANNOT SAY YES TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT IS AN ENGINEERING POSSIBILITY THAT IT CAN BE HANDLED. REMEMBER THAT THERE USED TO BE A STRUCTURE ON THIS PROPERTY THAT HAD IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL ALSO CONSIDER IS WHAT CHANGE IS THIS, VERSUS WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? THERE WAS SOME DEGREE OF RUNOFF
BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS REMOVED. >> IT WILL NOT -- IT WILL NOT RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM YOUR OFFICE UNTIL THAT IS
DETERMINED. >> THAT IS CORRECT OR .
>> YOU WILL MAKE SURE IT RETAINS ANY ADDITIONAL WATER THAT IS DEVELOPED ADDS TO THE RUNOFF, RETAIN IT ON SITE AND I
SAY RETAIN. >> WE WILL MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS IS HOW WE LOOK AT IT.
>> IF THERE IS YOU WILL HAVE TO REVISIT THIS.
>> WE WILL EVALUATE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, YES.
>> I'VE GOT A MORE BROAD QUESTION. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AT THE POINT WAS MADE, AND I AGREE, THE WAY THIS HAS BEEN REZONED, ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, AS IT RE-DEVELOPS OVER TIME. IS THERE A HOLISTIC LUCK IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT HARPER AND HOW THAT'S DEVELOPED AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY THAT KIND OF SLOPES TOWARDS THIS AREA TOO IN GENERAL TERMS. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE OVERTIME IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE, WORSE, AND WORSE.
HOW DOES THAT GET ADDRESSED? >> IN SOME CASES, WE DO LOOK AT DRAINAGE BASINS HOLISTICALLY, WITHOUT GETTING TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS, MY GUESS IS WHEN CHARLESTON PLACE WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, THE UPSTREAMED DRAINAGE BASIN WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE DETENTION POND. IT WAS DESIGNED OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WAS COMING THERE INITIALLY. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AS THINGS ARE REDEVELOPED WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
IN SOME CASES, IT'S LIKE THE CASE OF USE. THOSE DON'T COME THROUGH THE SAME REVIEW PROCESS AS, SAY, THIS MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT STAFF, ME AND MY STAFF CAN LOOK AT THINGS HOLISTICALLY AND TRY TO STAY AHEAD BUT THE THING IS, THERE'S NOT A PLACE FOR A REGIONAL DETENTION POND AS THINGS ARE DEVELOPED CASE-BY-CASE. WE DO OUR BEST TO STAY AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO ADVERSE IMPACTS DOWN
STREAM. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR MOTIONS? BE TO MOVE TO APPROVE CU-2024-011.
>> SECOND. >> AND OTHERS IN FAVOR? AYE.
>> AYE. >> THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES.
[8. Conditional Use - US Security Systems - PUBLIC HEARING ]
CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF A COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USE, PACIFICALLY A WAREHOUSE LOCATED AT 267 WEST VETERANS BLVD ON 3.8 ACRES. APPROXIMATELY. SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED[00:40:01]
WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CDD ZONING DISTRICT AND IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY PROPERTIES IN THE CDD ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 9000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE BUILDING AS WELL AS A BUILDING FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE OF THE SAME USE, WHICH IS WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE BUILDING. THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THE SAME TYPE OF USE HAS BEEN GRANTED WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA AS RECENTLY AS LAST MONTH PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE PROPERTY. LOCATED TO THE WEST OFF WEST VETERANS BOULEVARD. THAT BEING SAID, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? GOT IT, THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT NOW. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS,
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS? >> MOVED TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE CU-2024-012 WITH CITY COUNCIL.
>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE
[9. Conditional Use - Cafe Racer - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS CAFE RACER CONDITIONAL USE. THIS IS A RECOGNITION FOR CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL. THE REASON FOR DENIAL IS THIS IS A CRD-U DISTRICT AND THIS IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. FUTURE LAND USE CALLS FOR SOMETHING THAT PROMOTES WORKABILITY, SOMETHING WITH A MORE URBAN FEEL, AND THE PROPOSED USE IS AUTO CENTRIC WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH. IF THIS WAS NOT A DRIVE-THROUGH THIS WOULD BE A BY RIGHT. THE RESTAURANT ITSELF WOULD BE A BY RIGHT AND THE TRITE DRIVE-THROUGH COMPLETELY CHANGES THE ASPECT AND DYNAMIC OF THE USE. THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT LIGHT. LIKE YOU ALL REMEMBER THIS IS THE FIRST GENERATION OF CAFE RACER AND THEY MADE ALTERATIONS TO THEIR SITE PLAN AND THEN THIS IS THE SECOND GENERATION OF THEIR SITE PLAN. THEY DID SUBMIT, THEY DID SUBMIT WHAT THEY WILL REFERENCE IN THEIR PRESENTATION BUT LIKE I SAID, THE REASON FOR DENIAL IS FOR THE INCONSISTENCY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. STAFF HAS OTHER CONCERNED, THE EGRESS OF THE SITE, I WILL TURN IT
OVER, ANY QUESTIONS? >> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OH.
THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> LET ME GO FIRST AND THEN WE WILL MOVE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. BREADBASKET WITH THE FORESIGHT GROUP REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT. SO THE WHOLE THING HERE THAT I AM HEARING IS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS DRIVING ALL OF THIS. THIS FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USED TOO.
>> A LOT OF THIS CHANGED AROUND THE RENEWAL PROGRAM. IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK, IT SHOWS MUCH MORE OF A SPECIAL LOOK. EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALL PROXIMITY, THEY ARE ALL
DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. >> WHEN IT GOT REZONED TO CRD-U. IF YOU GO BACK TO MY MAP , I DON'T KNOW WHICH -- THE DEFINITION OF MIXED-USE, TOO, HASN'T CHANGED SINCE I AM AWARE OF, SINCE 2012, 2014. CAN YOU BILL MIND? THE MAX CREDIT UNION ADJACENT BEHIND US WAS BASICALLY MIXED USE TOO. IT HAS A DRIVE-THROUGH, IT HAS A BANK AND YEAH, THAT ONE. AND FUTURE LAND USE OF MIXED-USE TOO. EVEN CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN WITH THE OLD HYATT HOUSE, AND WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED, ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS STORAGE AND GOT REAPPROVED WITH THE ADDITION OF A
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DRIVE-THROUGH FOR FAST FOOD USE THEY ARE. AND THEN EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT IS IN THE URBAN CORE, GUTHRIE'S WAS APPROVED AS A DRIVE-THROUGH USE AND THAT IS DOWNTOWN. RIGHT, MIXED-USE 2 IS A TRANSITION FROM DOWNTOWN TO SUBURBAN BY DEFINITION. THE TRANSITION FROM DOWNTOWN TO SUBURBAN, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE GET THOSE APPROVED IN MIXED-USE OR URBAN CORE, FOR THIS SITE IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY. THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS A TON OF CHALLENGES. JUST THE SHAPE AND SIZE OF THE SITE LIMITS WHAT YOU CAN REALLY DO ON THE SIDE. IT'S VERY CHALLENGED BY DEBTS, THE OLD SERVICE STATION PIECES ONLY 140 FEET DEEP. THE PIECE, THE OLD GUTHRIE'S THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE, THE DEEPEST PART IS 180 FOOT DEPTH. WHAT LIMITS OR DENSITY IN AN URBAN SITUATION, HERE, IS OUR PARKING. AND THE URBAN CORE , SAY I WAS AT GUTHRIE'S, THERE ARE NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS. IT IS ALL WALK ABILITY. THERE IS A PARKING DECK A HALF A BLOCK AWAY. THERE IS NO PARKING DECK.THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THIS LOCATION IS TO DRIVE. THE MIXED-USE TOO IS NOT THE EXPANSION OF THE URBAN CORE.
IT'S THE TRANSITION FROM DOWNTOWN TO SUBURBAN. IF WE TRIED TO GO VERTICAL AND ADD RESIDENTIAL -- WHICH I GUESS, WE CAN'T PARK IT. THE ONLY WAY TO PUT PARKING TO GET ANYTHING -- IF YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING MULTI-STORE YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH THE PARKING DECK. THE MINIMUM DEPTH OF THE PARKING THAT IS 120 FEET. LIKE I SAID, OUR PARKING LOT IS ONLY 180 FEET DEEP. YOU CAN SCREEN THE PARKING DEBT. SO THE SITE HAS CHALLENGES WITHIN ITSELF FOR WHAT CAN BE USED THERE. ON THE TWO PARTS BEEN THERE FOREVER, RIGHT? THERE IS ONE CURB CUT ON NORTH STREET. I THINK THAT MY CLIENT KNOWS ON STREET THE BEST YOU LABEL TO DO IS GET A WRITE IN AND A RIGHT OUT. ON OPA LOCKA ROAD, HE KNOWS THE BEST HE WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO DO IS WRITE IN, RIGHT OUT AND WE HOPE TO GET A LEFTY AND WE KNOW WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET LEFT OUT. NONE OF THAT CHANGES, NONE OF THAT CHANGES HOW THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE ORIENTED. IF YOU CALL THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL, THE CONCERN WAS IF YOU GOT IN THERE IS NO WAY TO TURN AROUND IF YOU CAME IN FROM ONE OF THE ENTRANCES YOU ARE STUCK IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH. SO WHEN THEY SHIFTED THE SITE OVER TO THIS SIDE A PROVIDED ROOM TO TURN AROUND AND INTERNALLY SO THERE IS BETTER CIRCULATION. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S -- THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WHEN WE ARE SURROUNDED BY ALL AUTO CENTRIC DRIVING USES I THINK TO SAY LYING ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN ON EXISTING CONDITIONS AND WHAT IS ADJACENT TO US, FOR MY CLIENT AND MY PROPERTY OWNER ON WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR PROPERTY. IT LIMITS THEM.
THERE'S NOT MUCH THEY CAN DO ON THIS THING BECAUSE OF THE SIZE CONSTRAINTS. SO, YOU KNOW, PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU ARE THINKING THROUGH THIS. THIS IS TO EXISTING PARCELS, JUST OVER HALF AN ACRE EACH. THIS SITE, WE CAN PUT ON ONE EXISTING PARCEL BY ITSELF. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE SHARED ACCESS TO COMBINED DRIVEWAYS LIKE WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT. SHARED PARKING LIKE WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THESE WORK. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE HOPING TO GET ANOTHER USER ON THE CORNER BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 2000, 3000 FEET MAX AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A USER THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE MUCH PARKING. WE CAN'T GO TWO STORY BECAUSE WE CAN PARTY. WE CAN'T GO TO THE PARK IT AS OFFICE WHICH IS ONE OF THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR RESIDENTIAL. IF WE TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT
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AREA THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. IF WE ARE GOING FOR MORE DENSITY, WE WILL PROVIDE MORE TRAFFIC. I WOULD ARGUE THE STRETCH OF NORTHGATE AROUND MITCHELL RIGHT THERE IN OPA LOCKA ROAD THERE IS WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON OPA LOCKA ROAD TRYING TO GET OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TRIED TO GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION WHERE WE HAVE MITCHUM AND THE RAILROAD CROSSING ON THAT SIGNAL. GOODNESS GRACIOUS, IT'S CRAZY THROUGH THERE. THAT PART I COULD UNDERSTAND IF WE WERE TRYING TO GET ACCESS HERE. BUT OVER HERE THERE'S ROOM AT THE SIGNAL WHEN IT IS READ FOR EAST TO WEST PEOPLE GETTING OUT ON OPA LOCKA ROAD IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER PLACE DOWNTOWN IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. SO, AGAIN, I HOPE YOU RECONSIDER OUR POSITION ON THIS AND GIVE US THE SAME RIGHTS AS WHAT OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND ADJACENT USERS HAVE USED IN THE PAST, THANK YOU.>> THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING SO I WILL OPEN THAT NOW. YOU HAVE WAITED SO PATIENTLY.
>> I HAD SIGNED IN ON THE FIRST NAME. MY NAME IS STEVE MCKNIGHT AND I LIVE AT 533 HERITAGE, OR MORE PARTLY ABOUT A FIVE-MINUTE WALK FROM THIS LOT. MY TWO CONCERNS ARE PEDESTRIAN ASKED TO ACCESS AND NATURAL AND GREEN SPACES. I THINK WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. I ASSUME THAT THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED WHEN YOU ALL ARE MAKING DECISIONS. I WANT TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. I THINK WE HEARD PREVIOUSLY THE TERM SUBURBAN USED A LOT. I WANT TO SORT OF CLARIFY THAT, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL SUBURBAN AREA. THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEDESTRIANS THAN WHAT I HAVE TYPICALLY EXPERIENCED IN A SUBURBAN ZONE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING TO THE UNIVERSITY FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE OF THAT, MY THOUGHT WAS ACTUALLY THAT A WAY TO HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH AND ALSO RETAIN TEST. ACCESS WOULD BE TO MAKE THE APPROVAL CONDITIONAL ON A WALKWAY THAT GOES BEHIND THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
THE CUTTERS ON THE CURB THAT CURRENTLY EXIST REALLY DON'T POSE MUCH OF A HINDRANCE TO PEDESTRIANS, BUT IF THIS PLACE WERE TO OPEN AND SELL COFFEE IN A COLLEGE TOWN IT WOULD BE VERY BUSY AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEDESTRIANS TO SAFELY WALK ON THAT PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK. I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT ALONG THE SOUTH BORDER OF THE PROPERTY THERE IS A SMALL CREEK. MY VERSION OF THE TURKEY IS THAT THERE IS A FOX. THERE ARE SEVERAL CHIP MONTHS. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF NATURE THAT LIVED THERE AND I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE CONCERN THAT RUNOFF FROM A DRIVE-THROUGH ESPECIALLY WITH THAT IMPERMEABLE SERVICE COULD CONTAMINATE THAT SPACE. MY RECOMMENDATION THERE WOULD BE TO ENTER A GREEN SPACE, IDEALLY WITH NATURAL LANDSCAPING TO ENSURE THE VERY SMALL, BUT IMPORTANT HABITAT REMAINS FUNCTIONAL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS? YES. >> THE ZONE THAT WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THIS DISTRICT WAS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUSLY DONE. WE DID GREAT STUDY, WE HAVE DONE LAND-USE STUDIES AS WELL AS DEVELOPED THOROUGHLY WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AT ALL OF THAT WITH ALL OF OUR ZONING. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS CAPRICIOUS AND NOT ARBITRARY. WE MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT OUR DECISION WAS BUT IT WAS NOT MADE IN A CAPRICIOUS MANNER. SECONDLY, WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES US TO DO IS BE REASONABLE. FOR US, THE FACT THAT WE CAN PLACE ALL KIND OF USES ON THIS SITE TO CONFUSE A RESTAURANT BY RIGHT WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH. THE QUESTION FOR US IS THE DRIVE-THROUGH. IT MUST MEAN THAT THIS DRIVE-THROUGH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS CLIENT, BUT AT THE SAME
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TIME, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO ALLOW IT AS LONG AS WE THINK IT'S REASONABLE. I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT.>> COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, MOTIONS?
>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AS I DID THE OTHER DAY AT THE PACKAGE MEETING AND THAT WAS ON THE TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION AND THE LAST CITYWIDE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE IN 2018, CORRECT? AND AT THAT TIME HE SAID THAT WAS A MODERATE PRIORITY AT THAT INTERSECTION AND PULLED OUT THE OTHER DAY. AND MITCHUM ALSO, AND I AGREE. I GO THROUGH THERE A LOT. YOU GET BACK TO THAT ONE LIGHT AND OUT THE OTHER AND THEN YOU MIGHT GET BACKED UP AT THE RAILROAD TRACK. SO THAT IS FOR SURE. I KNOW AND AS I STATED THE OTHER DAY, THE CAFE RACER IN ATHENS IS ON BROAD STREET WHICH IS U.S. HIGHWAY 78, THE FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY. THERE IS A LIGHT TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WITH THIS PARTICULAR RESTAURANT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THIS CAFE RACER, WHAT IS THIS PERCENTAGE, BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE YOUR WORK ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DRIVE-THROUGH YOU WILL HAVE HERE AS OPPOSED TO WALK UP BUT WHAT PERCENT OF YOUR BUSINESS DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE DRIVE-THROUGH?
>> GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I AM BRAD GALLANT REPRESENTING CAFE RACER. TO ADDRESS YOUR POINT, A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE LOCATION ON ATLANTA HIGHWAY IN ATHENS IT IS A MORE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. WE HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN THAT IS MUCH MORE SIMILAR TO THIS THAT IS ONE LANE GOING IN, ONE LANE GOING OUT DIVIDED, DOUBLE TURN LANES, SUICIDE LANES AS WE CALL IT OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE MUCH MORE SIMILAR TO THIS AND REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE INTEND TO BUILD.
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ON OAK STREET ? DON'T YOU PLAN ON ATTRACTING MORE WALKOUTS BECAUSE OF THE FLY WAY
OR FLAT TRAIL? >> THERE IS A GREENWAY BEHIND IT. CHANGED OR CONVERTED THAT IS NOW TRAIL. IN AN IDEAL WORLD, THAT IS , ETERNALLY SPEAKING GOING TO BE VEHICULAR.
WE WOULD LOVE TO GET BITES AND GET PEOPLE WALKING UP, THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S NOT WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE BUSINESS IS GOING TO COME FROM. TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, THE DRIVE-THROUGH BUSINESS AS I HAVE ALLUDED TO YOU GUYS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD THIS LOCATION WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH. THAT IS CORE TO OUR BUSINESS, CORE TO THE ECONOMICS. AS I HAVE ALSO MENTIONED TO YOU GUYS, WE ARE NOT NOT MCDONALD'S OR CHICK-FIL-A, WE DON'T EXPECT 80 TO 90% OF THE BUSINESS TO GO OUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH. THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE. GOING INTO 50-50 SPLIT THE REASON WE HAVE THE PARKING THAT WE HAVE IN THE GREEN SPACE WE HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY TO ADDRESS THE NEIGHBOR CONCERN IS OUR OWNERSHIP, THEY WANT PEOPLE TO STAY. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE SITE PLAN IN GREEN SPACE. I WILL MAKE THE GREEN SPACE HAPPEN. GET OUR INTENT WITH THE PROPERTY. WE ARE GOING TO SEED INSIDE THAT CORNER, WE DON'T INTEND TO SELL THAT IMMEDIATELY. SO THE GAS STATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR HOWEVER LONG, AT LEAST 10 YEARS THAT I'M AWARE OF IS GOING TO BE GREEN SPACE. THAT'S THE INTENT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOREVER, AS MR. BASKIN REPRESENTED IT WILL BE A LESS INTENSIVE USE. TO DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S ABOUT 50-50 SALES THAT ARE WALK-UP, SIT WITH US, STAY WITH US FOR A WHILE VERSUS WHAT YOU WOULD
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TYPICALLY SEE AT YOUR MCDONALD'S OR CHICK-FIL-A,WHICH IS AT LEAST 85, 90%. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, HOW LONG HAVE THESE TWO LOTS AND VACANT?
>> I CAN DEFER TO OTHERS. FOR THE LAST 6 TO 8 YEARS THERE'S BEEN CONCRETE SITTING THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN GUTHRIE'S SHUDDERED AND SCRAPED BUT IT WAS AT LEAST 2016, 2017 BASED
ON OUR DUE DILIGENCE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BASED ON A COMMENT ON HAVING SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE WALKING UP TO A NEW AREA. I NOTICED THAT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY COME THROUGH ON THE SIDEWALK, I THINK STEVE JUST POINTED OUT. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN TO MAKE IT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK IN OR WALK OUT PRETTY
EASILY? >> THE WORKABILITY IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE. IF THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO PUT SOME SIDEWALKS AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE ARE VERY AMENABLE TO THAT. THE OWNERSHIP -- I HESITATE TO USE THE WORD GREEN BUT THEY ARE VERY GREEN, THEY ARE VERY FRIENDLY. THEY WANT PEOPLE TO BIKE, WALK, DRIVE. I WOULD LOVE THIS LOCATION TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM UNIVERSITY AND HAVE THAT CONSTANT FLOW. THAT IS NOT THE REALITY OF THE SITE. THE REALITY IS THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE CARS, WITH THE PEOPLE THE SHOP. LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ATHENS ADJACENT TO A BIKE AND WALKING TRAIL, THERE WILL BE BIKE RACKS THERE, THAT IS
IMPORTANT TO THEM. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU. COMMENTS? >> I HAVE TO FIND A COUPLE COMMENTS. ABOUT THE OTHER DRIVE-THROUGH'S IN THE AREA, A COUPLE OF THEM THAT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I PERSONALLY VOTED NO. MY VIEW IS MORE UNPRINCIPLED THAN ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE NEED ROAD SERVICE IN WHAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AS AN URBAN AREA. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP COMING TO AUBURN. THIS AREA WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND BECOME MORE AND MORE URBAN. YOU KNOW, I DON'T RECALL FOR SURE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE AGREED AS A PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE THAT FOR THE GUTHRIE'S. OR IF IT WAS CLOSE, SOMEWHERE FOR AND SOMEWHERE AGAINST BUT I THINK THAT WAS A POOR DECISION BECAUSE THAT IS RIGHT DOWNTOWN. THE BANK, IT IS A LOWER TRAFFIC SORT OF THING GENERALLY SPEAKING. THE HYATT STORAGE, I AM NOT SURE WHAT IT IS CALLED NOWADAYS BUT IT'S GOT A DRIVE-THROUGH NOBODY WANTS. THERE HAS NOT EVER BEEN A BUSINESS THERE. AND SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THAT CATEGORY. I WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE. WE APPROVED A DRIVE-THROUGH ON COLLEGE. THAT IS A ROAD SERVICE AND COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE PLACE DOWN THERE. I JUST DON'T
BELIEVE THAT THIS IS IT. >> I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
>> THE FIRST COMMENT I HAVE IS MY MAIN TURN. THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LIMITATIONS ON THE PARCELS THERE AS BRETT REFERENCED. THIS IS A CHALLENGING PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT SAT VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REASONABLE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE PARCELS IN THE CITY AND THE CITY CORE AS THIS CONTINUES TO SIT VACANT, I THINK THAT'S A SHAME. WE SHOULD APPROVE
THIS. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH DAVID AND WITH BRETT ABOUT THE SURROUNDING DRIVE-THROUGH'S, WHETHER THEY ARE LOWER TRAFFIC OR NOT. WE DON'T HAVE CRYSTAL BALLS AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE 100% VEHICULAR. OR 20% FOR HITLER, WE CAN MAKE GUESSES ALL DAY LONG BUT ALL OF THE BUILDINGS AROUND HAVE DRIVE-THROUGH'S AND WE HAVE APPROVED THEM. TO SINGLE THIS OUT I THINK IS DANGEROUS AND IRRESPONSIBLE AND I CANNOT STOP GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT WITHOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED. I DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY I GUESS WHY WE ARE
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HAGGLING OVER SOMETHING THAT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE THE BUSINESS MORE SUCCESSFUL AND WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT THAT? I LOVE THE GREEN SPACE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT THERE. I HOPE IT STAYS FOREVER IF THIS PROJECT ENDS UP GOING THROUGH BECAUSE WHAT OTHER RESTAURANT HAS AN AREA THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT?>> CERTAINLY THE LOOK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN THE FLAT CONCRETE THEY ARE.
>> AS I RECALL THERE IS ALSO SOME SIGNIFICANT REMEDIAL ISSUES ARE THERE ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL? THAT WILL BE
TAKEN CARE OF? YEAH. >> SURE, I BELIEVE THAT MAY HAVE COME UP DURING THE PACKET MEETING BUT THERE IS, CURRENTLY, THE OLD SERVICE STATION, AS IT EXISTS TODAY, RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER USES ARE NOT ALLOWED. IT'S NOT REQUIRED THAT WE DO ADDITIONAL REMEDIATION ON SITE IN ORDER TO CLEAN UP ANYTHING ELSE, THAT QUITE FRANKLY IS GOING TO BE ON US AND OUR TOLERANCE FOR RISK OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. IN THE EVENTS THAT WE SELL THIS TO SOMEBODY ELSE, WE WILL WANT TO DOT OUR I'S AND CROSS OUR T'S THAT IT IS AS CLEAN AS IT POSSIBLY CAN BE BECAUSE WHITE FRANKLY WE DON'T WANT THE LIABILITY. IT COULD POTENTIALLY, AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD BE CONSIDERED FOR A RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED-USE BUT IT WILL REQUIRE SOMEBODY ELSE'S MY ESTIMATION IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, COMMON WITH ANOTHER HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF MEDIATION. AND THAT'S NOT WITHOUT ITS CHALLENGES.
>> NO, NOT AT ALL. AS BUCKET LONG AS WE CAN WORK IT OUT IN THE SITE PLAN AND IT IS SAFE, BY ALL MEANS.
>> CAN WE SAY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND NOT A SIDEWALK?
>> THE BUILDING CODE WILL ALSO PLAY A PART IN THAT BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY SIDEWALK ON THE ROAD PROVIDING A ACCESSIBLE
ROUTE FROM THE BUILDING. >> BEAUTIFUL.
>> THANK YOU. >> REMIND US WHY WE ARE, THAT OUR STAFF HAS ADVISED THAT THIS BE DENIED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET OUR LAND-USE PLAN FOR THE SITE. WE PROBABLY, SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS, NEED TO TAKE A LOOK PRETTY SOON AT OUR
>> COMMENTS OR MOTIONS, MOVING TO APPROVE CU-2024-004 .
>> SECOND. >> WE ARE APPROVING IT. TO MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE .
>> PRECISELY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I WOULD LIKE TO
ASK FOR A ROLL CALL PLEASE. >> ROBYN BRIDGES?
>> JESUS. >> OKAY. AND DO WE KNOW THAT
DATE OF CITY COUNCIL YET? >> IT WILL BE TUESDAY.
>> THIS COMING? >> THIS COMING TUESDAY THE
19TH. >> WON'T HAVE TO WAIT LONG.
[10. Preliminary Plat - Old Samford Pod I - PUBLIC HEARING ]
THANK YOU ALL. FOR YOUR COMMENT AND DISSIPATION ONTHAT. LAST ITEM. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT PLAT APPROVAL FOR A SUBDIVISION. THIS IS FOR THE OLD SAMFORD POD I LUMINARY PREP PLAT, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL. LOOKING AT THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS COME BEFORE STAFF BEFORE AND IT RECENTLY EXPIRED IN JANUARY OF 24 AND THEY ARE RESUBMITTING. SO THE ANALYSIS PROVIDES -- IF YOU WANT TO GO. THE LOT DIMENSIONS, OPEN-SPACE
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ACQUIREMENTS ARE ALL IN LINE WITH THOSE LAID OUT IN A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF PART ONE OF OLD SAMFORD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND I GUESS FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I MENTIONED THIS IN THE PACKET MEETING. THE FINAL THINK THEY NEED TO GET THROUGH THE RT IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.THAT IS COMING BEFORE YOUR BUT THEY HAVE BEEN CONSTANTLY WORKING ON AND THIS IS JUST THE SUBMISSION TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET THROUGH THE RT AND GO ON WITH CONSTRUCTION. WITH THAT, I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. SO I WILL OPEN THAT NOW. SEEING NO ONE -- OH, I'M SORRY. THIS IS RIGHT HERE IN MY LINE OF SIGHT.
>> I AM KAREN . I LIVE ON THIS ROAD. I AM RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS WILL BE BUILT. AND I AND 31 ACRES ACROSS FROM WHERE THIS IS BEING BUILT. I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION. WHERE IS THE ENTRANCE GOING TO BE TO THIS SUBDIVISION AND WHERE WILL THE EXIT BE? MY DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WHERE ALL THESE HOMES WILL BE BUILT.
>> I CAN ANSWER THAT. >> THANK YOU.
>> WE CAN'T ZOOM IN ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT IF THIS WAS A PDF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU. SO ACTUALLY ON THE PLAT, THIS IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CHANGE THE NAME, IT IS ENTRANCE STREET RIGHT THERE. THIS IS PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS ONE THE PHASES. JUST FOR THIS PHASE RIGHT NOW, THAT IS WHERE THE INTEREST IS GOING TO BE. THAT IS WHERE THE INTEREST HAS GOT TO BE. IT'S MORE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION AND THERE IS GOING TO BE CONNECTIVITY IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PART OF IT. THIS IS THE FIRST PART OF THE 1200 SUBDIVISION SO QUITE LARGE.
>> SO BASICALLY IT WON'T BE ACROSS FROM MINE?
>> IT'S ACROSS FROM 1308 MRS. JAMES ROAD.
>> YOU KNOW WHERE THE SANFORD SLAVE? IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE
STREET FROM THEIR PROPERTY. >> OH, OKAY. FOR FURTHER DOWN.
OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THEY ARE MY IN-LAWS. >> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU, SEEING NO ONE ELSE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
HEARING. COMMISSIONERS? >> MOVED TO APPROVE , PRELIMINARY PLAT, OLD SAMFORD POD I.
[OTHER BUSINESS]
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER
BUSINESS? >> YEAH, WE DO ACTUALLY. A QUICK UPDATE ACTUALLY JUST WITH THE OPEN HOUSES FOR THAT. YOU WILL SEE COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY RELATIVELY SOON, MAYBE AS EARLY AS TOMORROW AFTERNOON, EVIDENTLY EARLY NEXT WEEK JUST AROUND THE OPEN HOUSES SO I WILL SEND AN EMAIL TO YOU ALL JUST KIND OF WITH THE DATES. WE WILL HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE NEXT THURSDAY I THINK ON THE AFTERNOON. SO WE HAVE ALL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE UPDATE TO CONSIDER, WE HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH THEM, INTERNALLY WE HAVE UPDATED THE MAP AND SO ONCE WE HAVE THE THREE OPEN HOUSES FOR THE PUBLIC, WE WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GO OVER IT, TALK THROUGH IT, ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE. THAT WILL BE AROUND EARLY APRIL, EARLY TO MID APRIL. WE WILL FIGURE OUT A DAY THROUGH EMAIL. JUST AROUND WHEN WITH A WORK SESSION WORK? I WOULD SAY ABOUT 90 MINUTES TO TWO HOURS, JUST FOR ANY QUESTIONS. HAVEN'T BEEN SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, BUT SOME NOTABLE CHANGES THAT WE LIKE TO MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF.
GOING OVER FEEDBACK FROM THE OPEN HOUSES WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT JUST LET ME KNOW. I WILL SEND AN EMAIL FOR YOU ALL IN THE MORNING JUST REGARDING WHETHER STATES WILL BE AT THOSE FUTURE TIMELINES AND ALSO SCHEDULING THAT WORK SESSION.
>> COULD YOU INCLUDE MAYBE A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE, THE MAJOR PROPOSED CHANGES ARE?
>> WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY PREPARED JUST FOR THAT.
>> OH, LOOK AT THAT. YOU DIDN'T WANT TO READ A BOOK.
>> NO. >> I FOUND A HACK FOR HOLDING MY FINGER. MIKE LEPP IS HOLDING THE BUTTON DOWN.
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>> THAT WAS A BAD CHOICE. I WILL GO ON THE RECORD SAYING
THAT WAS A BAD CHOICE. >> THANK YOU, I WILL CALL FOR ADJOURNMENT. THE ONE I NEED
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.