[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:08] >> WE WILL CALL TONIGHT'S COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR MAY [2. MINUTES] 7TH, 2024. THE MAY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 16TH COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> MOVE. [3. EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE SIDEWALK - OLD MILL TO MCKINLEY.] >> SECOND. >> THERE IS A MOTION IN A SECOND. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? THAT GOES FORWARD. SIDEWALK TO MCKINLEY, I WILL START WITH YOU , COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN. >> THANK YOU, I NOTICED THAT HE HAS BEEN DOING GREAT WORK ON THIS. I KNOW WE ARE GOING OUT THERE IN DETERMINING WHAT IS INVOLVED. IT IS CONVENIENT IF YOU ARE READY . WE WOULD BE READY FOR SOME KIND OF REPORT ON THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE SOMEONE HERE AS WE PROMISED WE WOULD DO A PARCEL BY PARCEL LOOK AT THE IMPACT THE PARCELS AND WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE. SHE AND HER TEAM WENT OUT, AND WE ARE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE STREET VIEW IDEA OF WHERE THIS WOULD BEGIN AND END. AS A REMINDER, THE CURRENT ESTIMATE IS ROUGHLY $110,000.00, AND SHE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TIMEFRAME IF WE WERE TO PROCEED. BUT THIS IS A HILLY AREA. REMEMBER THAT THERE IS A SIDEWALK. YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PHOTO, THE SIDEWALK WAS BILLED AT THE TIME WERE CONNECTED ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BLOCK AT THE TIME. SO, IT'S ACROSS UNIVERSITY DRIVE, AND THEIR EXISTING CROSSWALKS NEAR SANFORD AND GLENN. ALLISON? >> YES, GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GENERAL NOTES BEFORE I START, AND I WILL WALK THROUGH EACH OF THE ADDRESSES. GENERALLY, DRIVERS HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND REPLACED WHEN WE DO SIDEWALK PROJECT. NORMALLY ON RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS , BECAUSE OF THE WAY THOSE HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND PLACE AS IS, WHICH MEANS TEMPORARY ACCOMMODATIONS FOR PARKING . IF THEY WERE WIDER COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS, WE WOULD YOU HAVE. SO THAT THE RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS COULD STILL ACCESS THEM. SO, THAT IS JUST WANTING TO THINK ABOUT. I GUESS I'M GIVING YOU THE BAD PARTS FIRST, RIGHT? MAILBOXES ARE FAIRLY EASY. WE REMOVE AND READ RELOCATE THOSE. WE SET THOSE DURING CONSTRUCTION TEMPORARILY SOMETIMES. WE WORK WITH THE POSTAL SERVICE TO DO THAT. THAT WILL END AT THE END OF EACH PRODUCT. THERE A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT MAY HAVE UTILITY CONFLICTS. THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO US FROM ALABAMA POWER. FOR SIDEWALK PROJECTS, THE NORMALLY CHARGES TO RELOCATE POLLS, AND INCLUDES OF THE UTILITY COMPANIES THAT MAY BE ON THE POLE. THERE IS ONE WHOLE IN PARTICULAR. THAT ALABAMA POWER . AT&T COULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL MEDICATION LINES ON IT. THOSE THINGS COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL DELAY. >> MISS FRAZIER, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. THE POTENTIAL ESTIMATE IN THIS HUNDRED $10,000.00, WITH THAT BE AN ADDITION? >> THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE 110. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> THE POWER COMPANIES IS ALSO THE ONES WE HAD EDIFY A CONFLICT , THEY LOOK AT IT, DETERMINE THE MEASURE OF EFFORT THAT THEY WILL HAVE, AND THEN THEY SSA COST. SO, WE WILL NOT HAVE A COST THAT WE HAVE A CONFLICT. OKAY? SO, WALKING THROUGH , THIS IS THE FIRST RESIDENT AT 1401 UNIVERSITY DRIVE. THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE REMOVAL OF THOSE TREES AND SHRUBS , WE HAVE A COUPLE OF STREET SIGNS , AND THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED. POTENTIAL RENDERING OF THIS AREA , IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE VIEW, ON THE LEFT IS EXISTING VIEW, AND ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT THE SIDEWALK WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE ARE PROPOSING A TWO FOOT GREEN SPACE ON A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK. >> THE TWO FOOT GREEN SPACE, TO REMIND THE COUNCIL, IS A SEPARATION FOR PEDESTRIANS TO FEEL A LOT MORE COUNTABLE WHERE THEY ARE NOT WALKING ON THE BACK OF THE CURVE FEELING LIKE A CARAMEL SKIN THEM WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THAT CURVE. >> DID YOU SAY THAT THE TREES WOULD BE REMOVED? >> IT IS VERY POSSIBLE. I DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL DESIGN, BUT ONCE YOU START FILLING IN CLOSE TO TREE ROOTS, WE USUALLY TAKE THEM DOWN SO THEY ARE NOT IMPACTED AND DIED SHORTLY AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. >> NORMALLY IF YOU REMOVE IT , I KNOW THERE ARE A GOOD BIT OF TREES ON THAT SIDE. WHEN YOU REMOVE THOSE TREES, TO THE RESIDENCE , IS ALSO THE PROPERTY? >> THOSE ARE ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT THOSE ARE CLOSE ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IF THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE TYPICALLY DON'T REPLACE THEM. >> EVEN IF THEY ARE REPLACED, WE GET TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS AND OTHER THINGS TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT THESE TREES I KNOW ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENT. THE CHALLENGE IS PUTTING THE SIDEWALK OR CONSTRUCTION THEREOF BEYOND INTERFERE WITH THE SIDEWALK . INTERFERE WITH THE SIDEWALK WOULD LIKELY KILL THEM. THAT SOMETHING IN THE FIELD I WOULD HAVE TO BE DETERMINED A LITTLE CLOSER TO. [00:05:01] SO, WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE PUTTING OUT THERE IS LIKELY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO, EVERY SIDEWALK IS BUILT IN THIS VICINITY. >> SO, IF THEY ARE A FOOT OVER THE SEVEN FEET , THEN THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE HIM? >> NO, IF THEY ARE IMPACTED BY OUR WORK, WE WILL USUALLY LOOK AT THE ELEVATION OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE SLOPES , AND SEE WHAT IMPACT WE HAVE THERETO TREES. IF IT'S MINIMAL, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAY, BUT WE TYPICALLY WORK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE IF SOMETHING IS A DANGER AFTER CONSTRUCTION. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. AGAIN, POTENTIAL IMPACTS WOULD BE REMOVE AND REPLACE THE DRIVEWAY TURN OUT TO MAILBOX LOCATION . THERE IS VEGETATION WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY , ON THE STREET SIGN, AND THERE IS A POTENTIAL UTILITY POLE. IF YOU CAN LOOK ON THE SCREEN , THERE ARE LINES GOING BOTH WAYS. THOSE ARE USUALLY A LITTLE MORE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THERE IS A POLL ON THE FOREGROUND OF THE PICTURE THAT YOU DON'T SEE. SO, MOVING THIS POLL IN ANY DIRECTION MAY MEAN POLLS ON OTHER SIDE OF THIS ONE POLE WOULD ALSO BE IMPACTED. AND THAT IS IS ANOTHER POTENTIAL RENDERING OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. >> OKAY. >> 1405. EXCUSE ME. DRIVEWAY TURNOUTS , RELOCATION OF MAILBOXES , AND YOU SEE SOME SHRUBS IN THE FOREGROUND. 1407, NEVER TO MENTION, WE ARE GOING FROM OLD MILL TOWARDS MCKINLEY. SORRY. DRIVEWAY TURNOUTS, NEW MAILBOX, AND REPLACEMENTS. THERE IS AN INLET JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THIS EXISTING POLE. INLET TOPS HAVE TO BE REPLACED ON SIDEWALK PROJECTS SO THE MEAT EXCESS ABILITY GUIDELINES. WE ARE APPROACHING HILLSIDE. THIS IS 1409. I THINK MEGAN MENTIONED THE SLOPE EARLIER, BUT THE SLOPE IS ACTUALLY RISING HERE. WE WILL HAVE TO TIE IN SOME POTENTIAL PRIVATE SIDEWALK , AS WELL AS STREET SIGNS. I WILL ADD THAT AT THIS LOCATION , THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES UPON THIS ROUTE THAT SITE DISTANCE FOR VEHICLES IS MET. DECISION SITE DISTANCE HAS NOT BEEN MET AT THIS LOCATION. IF THERE IS A POTENTIAL CROSSING ACROSS THE STREET, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. 1419 , AGAIN, DRIVER REPLACEMENT , TYING INTO EXISTING SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ALLOWING THE PROPERTY. MAILBOX RELOCATION, AND BASED ON THE SLOPES, WE MAY NEED SOME SMALL RETAINING WALL ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. >> BUT, WHERE IS THE STRIVER HERE? >> IT'S THE FAR RIGHT. >> SORRY, THE BOARD STANDARDS IN THE WAY. >> OKAY. 1425, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE SLOPE ON THE SEND . THIS SKY WIRE IS PROBABLY IN CONFLICT , BUT POTENTIALLY A RETAINING WALL ON THE SOUTH END OF TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE , STREET SIGNS, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS FROM THE HOUSE. SOMETIMES, THAT WARRANTS STEPS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SLOPE OF THE NEW SIDEWALK CONNECTING BACK TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. APPROACHING MCKINLEY , ON THE LEFT, THAT IS MCKINLEY DRIVE THERE. >> AND THAT IS CURRENTLY WHERE, YOU WILL SEE NEXT THING OVER, THIS IS WHERE A CROSSING GUARD STANDS. IT'S REALLY TO DIRECT TRAFFIC. IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE A CROSSING GUARD, BUT IT IS FUNCTIONING DE FACTO IS A CROSSING GUARD. AS I CAN SPEAK MORE TO THIS, THIS ENTRANCE WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR ANYTHING BUT BUSES. >> CORRECT. >> THAT IS HOW WE EVALUATED TRAFFIC, SIDEWALKS, AND EVERYTHING ON THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS BUILT. THAT HAS CHANGED BASED ON THE HIGH SCHOOL OPERATES. >> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. AS MEGAN MENTIONED, THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE CROSSING GUARD. SO, WE WOULD NEED A SIDEWALK CROSSING HERE, BUT THERE IS AN ADEQUATE STOPPING SITE AT THIS LOCATION AS WELL. >> TO THAT MEETING, WE CANNOT STRIKE A CROSSWALK THERE. THE GUARD WOULD JUST NEED TO LET THEM ACROSS AS THEY DO NOW. >> OKAY. >> THAT WE WOULD NOT EVER PAINT THE CROSSWALK RIGHT THERE , BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO RECOMMEND PEOPLE TO USE IT UNLESS THERE WAS A GUARD. DO I STAND CORRECTED? >> THAT IS CORRECT. UNLESS WE HAVE ADVANCED WARNING. THAT IS A LOCATION OF INADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE. AND THAT'S JUST AN AERIAL. JUST A FEW NOTES ON SCHEDULE , RIGHT NOW IF WE WERE TO PUT THIS PROJECT INTO OUR QUEUE, WE COULD BEGIN SURVEY AND DESIGN PERHAPS MID TO LATE FALL. I EXPECT ABOUT SIX TO [00:10:02] EIGHT WEEKS FOR DESIGN . ONCE WE DO AN ACTUAL SURVEY AND DESIGN , WE WILL DETERMINE IF WE NEED EASEMENTS. WE THINK WE CAN BUILD EVERYTHING WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT IF WE NEED EASEMENTS OR THEIR UTILITY RELOCATIONS , THAT COULD DELAY THEIR SEARCH TIME. SO, CONSTRUCTION TIME EXPECTED ABOUT 30 TO 45 DAYS, BUT THAT WOULD BE TIME-DEPENDENT. IS TYPICALLY AROUND SCHOOL ZONES WERE REDO CONSTRUCTION STRICT LATE LANE CLOSURES FOR THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON PEAKS. THAT USUALLY STANDS CONSTRUCTION TIME SINCE BECAUSE THE CONTRACT HAS A SHORTER WINDOW TO WORK. DEPENDING ON HOW THIS FALLS OR THE FALLS INTO OUR QUEUE, THE CONSTRUCTION TIME COULD BE ADJUSTED JUST BASED ON THE TIME. >> THAT ALSO MEANS WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DO THIS WITH OUR OWN PUBLIC WORKS CREWS, BUT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR OWN SCHEDULES AND PRIORITIES OF PROJECTS. WE HAVE NOT GONE THAT FAR JUST YET, AND IT IS THE SAME ONE ALLISON REFERRED TO SERVING TIME. WE HAVE OUR OWN SURVEY CREWS, AND THEY LINED UP ON A NUMBER OF CITY PROJECTS. IF YOU NEED TO SPEED THIS UP AND SURVEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT OTHER THINGS IN THE QUEUE, LIKE WE NEED TO HIRE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO COME OUT BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE TO THEN WORK THIS INTO SPEED UP SURVEY. THE NOTION, THOUGH, THAT THIS COULD EASILY BE DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS, WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE THAT THAT IS NOT EVER GOING TO BE THE CASE. THIS WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. I WILL LIKEN THIS CROSSWALK YEAR TO THE CROSSWALK TO KNOW WHERE WAS RANDOMLY GOING FROM A SHOPPING CENTER WITH NO SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE NEAR DARK SANFORD STADIUM. IF YOU NOTICED, WE REMOVED THAT FROM UNIVERSITY DRIVE IN OUR LAST BIT OF STRIPING BECAUSE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE PEOPLE BRAVE ENOUGH IN THE BROAD DAYLIGHT HOURS AND AT NIGHT WITH NOTHING GOING ON AT DUCK STANFORD OR POLICE STANDING THERE TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET ON A 45 MILE-AN-HOUR ROAD. SO, THE NOTION OF STRIKING A CROSSWALK THERE IS WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ENCOURAGE CROSSING OTHERWISE. IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD RECOMMEND NORMALLY . THIS ROAD IS 35 MILES AN HOUR HERE. IT'S CURVY, AND WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT COMING AND GOING , NO ONE EXPECTS A SCHOOL TO BE RUNNING OUT. I ACKNOWLEDGE WE WATCHED THE CROSS-COUNTRY TEAM DO A BUNCH, AND WE WATCHED THEM WALK IN THIS AREA. SHE IS TO PLAY CHICKEN ACROSS UNIVERSITY DRIVE. >> IS THERE A SIDEWALK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE? >> YES. >> IS A SIDEWALK FROM GLENN TO SANFORD. >> WE CANNOT PUT A CROSSWALK IN AT OLD MILL. >> IT DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE. >> YOU'RE COMING OVER A HILL IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, AND IT IS CURVY. YES, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT? IT DOES NOT SHOW SO WELL. BUT YEAH. >> I AM SORRY, GO AHEAD. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO CREATE A CROSSWALK? >> THERE IS ONE IN SANFORD. >> IN SANFORD, YES. DISARRAY A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. >> SO, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN OLD MILL TO SANFORD? >> THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW. >> COULD WE NOT CREATE A SHORTER SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS TO A CROSSING , AND THEN THEY WALK UP AS OPPOSED TO SEVEN HOMES? >> SOME OF THE STUDENTS THAT ARE WALKING EVERY CHOICE TO GO A DIFFERENT WAY. THEY ARE TAKING THE SHORTEST PATH BETWEEN THEIR HOME AND THIS BACK ENTRANCE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. THAT WAS THEIR CHOICE, AND HE WILL WALK THE SHORTEST DISTANCE. SO, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON SANFORD. NOW, NOT ALL OF THEM. IF THEY LIVE, YOU KNOW, ON THE OUTSIDE OF DEAN ROAD, A LOT OF THEM WOULDN'T, BUT SOME OF THESE FOLKS ARE STARTING CLOSER, AND COULD WALK OVER TO SANFORD, BUT THEY ARE TAKING LOCAL STREETS BACK THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS , AND THEN GETTING ON A VARIETY OF SIDEWALKS TO DEAN, TO OLD MILL, AND THEY ARE CHOOSING TO TAKE THE SHORTEST IT SAYS. IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE THEM FIVE TO 10 MINUTES LONGER TO GO THE OTHER WAY, BUT THEY GO THE OTHER WAY TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY ARE DOING DIFFERENT WAY. >> IT'S ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE AS IT IS FROM OLD MILL TO WHERE THE CARD IS TO GO FROM OLD MILL TO SANFORD. >> SAME NUMBER OF HOMES. >> THE TERRAIN IS A LITTLE BIT WORSE AS HE GO TOWARDS SANFORD JUST PAST OLD MILL. >> OKAY. I AM JUST CURIOUS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS? >> I KNOW MIDBLOCK CROSSINGS ARE NOT SOMETHING WE NORMALLY LIKE TO DO, PUT THAT ALLEVIATES SOME OF THE NEED FOR TEARING UP THE YARDS. IF IT WERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADVANCED WARNING THAT YOU MENTIONED , FLASHING LIGHTS OR WHATEVER , THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE SITE [00:15:06] PROBLEM AS WELL. INSTEAD OF DOING IT RIGHT THERE, COULD YOU PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND PERHAPS NOT DOING THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT? >> OUR POLICY HAS BEEN WHEN WE DO THE THOUGHT PROCESS TO IDEALLY PUT THEM AT A THREE CROSSING. HILLSIDE COURT IS HERE . IT DOES NOT MEET DECISION SITE DISTANCE. >> WHAT HIS DECISION SITE DISTANCE? >> DECISION SITE DISTANCE IS -- LET ME READ YOU THE DEFINITION SO I DON'T MESS IT UP. IF THE DISTANCE A DRIVER CAN DETECT A HAZARD, AND THEN MANEUVER , RECOGNIZE IT, MANEUVER IT, AND DETERMINE A SAFE WAY TO MAKE A DECISION. THEY PUT A FLASHING BEACON HERE , THAT DOES NOT A LIMITING SAFETY CONCERNS. IT DOES ALERT VEHICLES THAT SOMEONE IS CROSSING , BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANY DISPATCH. >> IN THE SURVEY, DID YOU TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL? >> WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN. >> I THINK, COUNCILMEMBER MOREMAN, YOUR SPOKE WITH A LOT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS ALONG THE WAY, HAVEN'T YOU? >> SOME FAVOR, SOME DON'T. >> OKAY, SO IT IS NOT UNANIMOUS. >> YOU HAVE -- >> I AM GOOD, THANK YOU. >> OF THE TREES ARE REMOVED, AND THIS IS FAIRLY HYPOTHETICAL AT THIS POINT. WOULD THERE BE A PLAN TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO KEEP CARS FROM RUNNING INTO THAT HOUSE? IF THE BRADFORD PEAR HOUSE. >> WE CAN LOOK AT POTENTIALLY REPLACING THOSE TREES ON THE BACKSIDE . AGAIN, YOU TYPICALLY WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON ANY KIND OF REPLACEMENT SCREENING OR REPLACEMENT VEGETATION THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND. >> IN TERMS OF THEIR -- YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM AN ENSURING PERSPECTIVE. YOU ARE COMING DOWNHILL. THERE A CURVE. IF YOU PRESENT MADE IT OFF THE ROAD THERE, AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. WE CAN CONTROL PEOPLE'S DECISIONS POINTS FOR WHO MAKES BAD DECISIONS TO SPEED, BE IMPAIRED, OR OTHERWISE. WE CAN TRY, BUT WE CAN'T. THERE IS A TYPE OF BARRICADE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A COMMON THING THAT YOU PUT UP THERE THAT IS AESTHETICALLY ACCEPTABLE. OTHERWISE, YOU'D BE BUILDING A TALL, CONCRETE WALL. IF YOU BELIEVE LOW ONE, SOMEBODY CAN GET AIRBORNE AND CLEAR. >> RIGHT. >> AND THE PRICE OF 110 IS JUST LIKE FIVE FEET OF CONCRETE AROUND THEIR . EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN ADDITION. THE DRIVEWAYS ARE IN ADDITION . >> THE DRIVEWAYS AND MAILBOXES , THAT SIDE IS SIDEWALK. ALL THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT 110. THE REST WOULD BE UTILITY RELOCATIONS OR EASEMENTS, AND PEOPLE WOULD LIKE US TO COMPENSATE THAT MORE. >> POTENTIAL RETAINING WALLS INCLUDED? >> THAT IS INCLUDED, YES. >> THE 110 IS THE MINIMUM COST. >> AND THAT IS IF WE DO IT IN HOUSE. IF YOU HAVE AN OUTSIDE SURVEY OR DESIGNER, IT WOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT. >> JUST FOR THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND , WHAT COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN IS TALKING ABOUT ON THE FIRST HOUSE, THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST TWO, PLEASE TELL ME IF I'M CORRECT, TWO ACCIDENTS WITH THE SCARS OF ENDED UP IN OR ON THOSE TREES ? WITH THE REALITY BEING THAT THE CAR MIGHT HAVE CONTINUED DOWN INTO THE HOUSE IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THOSE TREES. >> WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE RECORDS, I CAN CALL , TWO. >> BUT THE TREES DEFINITELY KEPT THAT FROM BEING A GREATER ACCIDENT. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> IT'S TWO THIS YEAR, BY THE WAY. >> WELLNESS IN NOVEMBER, ONE WAS IN MARCH. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL OTHERS. IT'S REALLY TWO PROBLEMS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS AGO AIRBORNE AT THAT SPOT, AND THEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS , BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS TO CROSS THE ROAD AT THAT SPOT. SO, THERE ARE TWO THINGS TO ADDRESS, AND IT NEED TO KEEP BOTH OF THEM IN MIND. NEITHER OF THEM ARE EASY. >> ALLISON, YOU ARE CHANGING SOME SIGNAGE OUT IN THIS CURVE AND AROUND FROM THIS A LITTLE BIT TO UPDATE SOME THINGS? >> WE HAVE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNS. >> WE HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES AT FOSTER AND THE DELL, WE HAVE HAD TO PUT UP CONCRETE BARRICADES. PEOPLE JUST DO NOT PAY ATTENTION . AND WE HAVE HAD THEM RUNNING THE HOUSES. WE HAD A CAR IN THE HOUSE JUST THE OTHER NIGHT INTO A DECK. THAT HAPPENS, AND THAT IS ON A ROAD THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. [00:20:05] SO THESE THINGS HAPPENED, AND WE DO OUR BEST. BUT, WE CANNOT REGULATE PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO NOT BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE STRUCTURE DRIVING IS A PROBLEM. SO, THAT IS A CHALLENGE HERE. THE SIDEWALK WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE. THAT WAS AN INTENTIONAL THING WITH THE CITY. IT WAS DECIDED IT WOULD BE ON THAT SIDE OR THE HIGH SCHOOL SIDE OF THE STREET . MAINLY WHEN THIS IS A BUS ENTRANCE, IT WASN'T MEANT FOR PEDESTRIANS . IN VEHICLES, IT WAS BUSES, AND THAT CHANGED. THAT WAS THE CHOICE OF THE SCHOOLS. >> DO WE HAVE A SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMIT FOR THIS AREA? OPERATES? >> I DON'T THINK SO , BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY. >> DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT TO INCLUDED THAT AS PART OF THIS PLAN? >> IF YOU GO THROUGH THERE AND YOU HAVE A SCHOOL TIME, YOU CAN GET TO THEIR FAST ANYWAYS. >> YES, I AM AWARE. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY REQUESTED FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD TO US , AND WE INSTALL THEM ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> YOU MEAN THE FLASHING ONES, ALLISON? >> YES. LIKE THE ONES AT DONAHUE THAT/ . THE SPEED IN THE SCHOOL ZONE ? YES. I DON'T AGREE HAVE ONE HERE. DARRELL GLENN IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. >> THERE ARE SIGNS. YEAH, THERE ARE SIGNS, IT IS IS NOT A FLASHING SIGN. >> WHICH IS, TO ME, JUST LOOKING AT THESE TWO DRAWINGS HERE , THE STOP SIGN IN THE FIRST DRAWING IN THE TREES, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A SAFETY ISSUE IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. >> THAT IS BECAUSE THIS IS A DRONE VIEW. SO, IT IS UP ABOVE. >> THOSE TREES ARE NOT REALLY SAFETY ISSUES. THEY ARE NOT IN THE WAY? >> THEY ARE IF THE SITE DISTANCE GETS EVALUATED. YOU LIVE THEM UP FROM THE BOTTOM SO THEY CAN BE SEEN UNDERNEATH. >> THE SECOND PICTURES LOOK A BIT CLEANER AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GET OUT ON TODAY'S MAIN ROAD. >> AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD FROM A DECISION POINT FOR THE COUNCIL , THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR US TO PUT THIS ON HOLD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. >> IT IS UP TO YOU. IT IS NOT BUDGETED IN OUR PROGRAM. SO, ANY TO ENTER THAT WAY SOMEHOW. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE WOULD PUT IT ANOTHER COMMITTEE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. >> OKAY. IS THE REST OF THE COUNCIL OKAY WITH THAT APPROACH TO PUT IT ON HOLD AND DISCUSS IT THEN , AND GET THE STUFF SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO PUT IT ON THE COMMON AGENDA? >> I MEAN, COMMITEE OF THE WHOLE IS WHERE WE GET CONSENTS. THERE IS NOTHING TO FUND AT THE MOMENT. I WOULD NEED TO KNOW IF YOU ARE WANTING TO ENTER THAT FORWARD, AND THEN THINGS TO FIND WOULD COME LATER AT FORMAL AGENDAS OTHERWISE. >> THERE IS ALREADY A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. >> YES, SIR. >> THERE IS. >> THANK YOU. >> EXCUSE ME, IS A SOMETHING THAT WILL BE MORE PREPARED TO DISCUSS IN THE NEXT BUDGET REVIEW? >> YOU CAN, BUT IT WILL DELAY WORK. WE WILL NOT BEGIN ANY WORK ON THIS UNLESS IT IS APPROVED AS PART OF THE BUDGET. THAT'S TOTALLY PART OF THE COUNCIL. >> WHICH WOULD BE PART OF JULY, PROBABLY? >> JULY OR AUGUST, YEAH. SO, YOU WOULD NOT DISCUSS IT UNTIL THEN. AND FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING AND SITTING IN HERE, YOU'RE THE POLICYMAKERS. IF YOU WANT SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET, I RECOMMEND. BUT IF YOU WANT THE BUDGET TO DO THESE THINGS, THAT IS WHAT WE DO. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE ELECTED. HAPPY TO OBLIGE EITHER WAY WITH WITH THE COUNCIL WANT TO DO. >> WOULD IT BE A TIMING CONCERN AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION? AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO IT DURING THE SUMMER WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT IN SESSION AS OPPOSED TO NOT MISSING ANOTHER ACADEMIC YEAR. >> WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET STARTED OVER THE SUMMER BECAUSE OF DESIGN. >> OKAY. >> WE HAVE YET TO DESIGN A THING. THIS IS A VERY EDUCATED LOOK AT IT. >> AT THAT SCHEDULE, ONCE AGAIN. WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT? >> THE SCHEDULES ABOUT SERVING IN THE FALL , BECAUSE THAT IS THE CITY SERVING INCREASE. I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT. THEY ARE SCHEDULED BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS THEY ARE WORKING ON. >> RIGHT. >> SO, WE WILL MISS THE 2024-2025 SCHOOL YEAR. >> WE WILL DEFTLY MISSED THE BEGINNING IF WE WERE TO START SURVEYING MID TO LATE FALL. AGAIN, PROVIDED, THEY ARE NOT IN THE UTILITY COMPLEX FOR LATE PROJECT AND HAVE DELAYED PROJECTS. THEY WERE ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH SOME DELAYS ON OTHER PROJECTS. THAT WOULD BE [00:25:01] THE WILDCARD IN THIS CASE. >> YOU KNOW HOW MANY STUDENTS TAKE THIS ROUTE THROUGH THE YARDS AS OPPOSED TO THE SIDEWALK NOW? >> COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN HAS BEEN OUT THERE A GOOD BIT. >> WAS TO SAY VERY FEW , AND PROBABLY A COUPLE OF DOZEN COMING HOME. BUT OF THOSE COUPLE OF DOZEN OR SLIGHTLY MORE LATELY, HOW TO THAT HALF OF THAT IS THE TRACK TEAM WHO ARE RUNNING AT FULL SPEED AND DASH ACROSS THAT STREET. BUT, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEIR LIVES ARE AS AS MUCH IN DANGER , BECAUSE THEY ARE QUICK. BUT IS JUST THE ONE OR TWO STUDENTS WHO TRIED TO DASH ACROSS THE STREET IN THE MORNING THAT IS JUST DANGEROUS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I MEANT A MORNING OUT THERE . WE HAD SOME COFFEE AND CONVERSATIONS , AND SAT IN OUR CAR AND WATCHED. IT WAS AN OVERCAST MORNING. NO THREAT OF RAIN, BUT IT WAS PRETTY QUIET. I BELIEVE THAT MORNING WE SAW 10 STUDENTS WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK. BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN TOLD BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIALITY FOR BAD WEATHER AS WELL. >> AND KEEP IN MIND, IF WE CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK, IT WILL BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AT ALL TIMES, NOT JUST DURING SCHOOL TIME. >> BUT IT GOES TO NOWHERE. >> CORRECT. >> THE CITY ENGINEER REMINDS ME THAT MY NOTION IS IF WE CROSS MCKINLEY AND KEEP GOING , WE HAVE GOT TO DO WITH AN ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS OWNED BY OUR UNIVERSITY AMONG OTHER THINGS. NOT THAT WE CAN'T WORK WITH THEM, BUT TO CONNECT THAT IS A BIGGER PROJECT THAT IS EGREGIOUS TO TRAFFIC. THAT IS WHY I HAVE NOT RECOMMENDED THAT WE PROCEED FURTHER WITH IT. AT THIS STAGE, YOU CAN WALK DOWN MCKINLEY TO ALICE AND GET OVER TO GLENN IF YOU'RE HEADED BACK TOWARDS DOWNTOWN. THEY ARE NOT SO BUSY THERE. MCKINLEY DOES NOT COLLECT THROUGH. >> BUT IT IS NOT HIGH USE. I WILL SAY THAT. AT LEAST NOT CURRENTLY. >> I THINK THAT IS CONSIDERING THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY. I WOULD DESCRIBE A LOT OF THEM IN THE PARCEL AS STARTER HOMES FOR YOUNG FAMILIES. I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE AS SOMETHING THAT WILL, OVER TIME , SURVEY GREAT NUMBER OF FAMILIES. WE CAN'T DETERMINE WHO WILL BE USING IT AT THIS POINT IN 2024 , BUT IN THE COURSE OF 20 OR 40 YEARS , YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A VARIETY OF NUMBERS DURING THAT TIME THAT WILL MAKE THE CHOICE OF TAKING THE SHORTEST ROUTE POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME. I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING AS WELL. >> WELL, HERE IS JUST AN IDEA TO KEEP US MOVING FORWARD WHEN WE FIRST MEET IN JUNE . WE CAN HAVE THE SCHEDULED AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT. DOES THAT SOUND FAIR? THAT'S TWO MEETINGS AWAY. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. >> ANYTHING TO YOUR POINT , THE BUDGETED FUNDS WOULD NOT LIKELY START OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR . THIS WOULD ADD A PART OF THAT BUDGET, BUT WE WOULD GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM YOU GUYS IS THAT IS WHAT YOU DECIDE TO PROCEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DECIDE DESIGN AND OTHER THINGS AND YOU * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.