[ROLL CALL] [00:00:25] >> WOULD LIKE TO OPEN WHAT WE CALL CITIZENS COMMUNICATION . IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO BRING BEFORE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SPEAK NOW. SEEING NO ONE, WE [CONSENT AGENDA ] WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS , SO WE WILL MOVE TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS MADE UP OF THREE ITEMS, TWO ANNEXATIONS, FINAL PLAT, AND PACKET MEETINGS AND REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 11TH. EMOTION AND A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? [4. Annexation - East Gold Hill Estates AX-2024-012] THANK YOU. SO MOVED, TO NEW BUSINESS. >> GOOD EVENING. THE FIRST REQUEST IS FOR , ACTUALLY, YOUR FOURTH, IS FOR ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 5.1 ACRES , UNDER NEW BUSINESS BECAUSE WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL AS THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY. IT IS CONTIGUOUS TO CITY LIMITS ON ITS SOUTHERN BOUNDARY BY THE PROPERTY, HERE, ANNEXED IN 2003. THIS MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IN REGARDS TO THE OPEN BOUNDARY . IT BORDERS THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY ON ITS SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. IT IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THAT BOUNDARY. THIS IS THE PLAT THAT CONTAINS THIS LOT. IT IS 11.6 ACRES, OVERALL. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS REQUESTING TO ANNEX A PORTION OF THAT, 5.1 ACRES. THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE LOT IS IN CHAMBERS COUNTY AND WOULD REMAIN IN CHAMBERS COUNTY UPON ANNEXATION. AGAIN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. ANNEXATION DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS ANNEXATION. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION ANY SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, BUT THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO, [5. Preliminary Plat - Foster Street Subdivision - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-015 ] PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR 59 PERFORMANCE LOTS, DETACHED LOTS AND ONE OPEN-SPACE LOT . SO THE ZONING IS AN RD , DENSITY IS 6.5 AND WE ACHIEVE THAT DENSITY THROUGH TWO VARIANCES PRIOR TO COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO WE HAVE A VARIANCE ON THE MINIMUM AND THEN A VARIANCE ON THIS LOT AREA. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT I REFERENCE , SOME OF THE LAWS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON TO MEET THE 30 FOOT LOT WITH MINIMUM , PROVIDING THAT THEY MEET THE COMMENTS , STAFF COMMENTS, WE ARE FORWARDING THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT . THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL. >> AND THAT STAFF COMMENT IS THE MOST -- >> NO, I'M JUST GOING OVER, SINCE THERE WAS A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE MINIMUM LOT, THERE WAS A VARIANCE REQUEST ON THE MINIMUM LOT AREA AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE WERE STAFF COMMENTS RECORDING THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL LOT BUT DID NOT MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT THERE ARE COMMENTS ADDRESSED TO THAT. >> AND THE VARIANCES ALLOWED FOR PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA? [00:05:10] >> FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, YES. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS CONSIDERED , COTTAGE, OR AS A PDD, SEVERAL THINGS FROM THE LOT CONFIGURATION AND SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE CIVICS WITH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT DID NOT MEET THESE METRICS IS THE REASON THEY'VE PURSUED THE VARIANCE FOR THIS CONFIGURATION. >> AND WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING DO THEY PLAN ON? >> THESE ARE GOING TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. >> WHAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION? >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT. SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES , FOR SIMPLE HOMEOWNERSHIP . AS FOR TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT. >> CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THE ALLOWANCE OF DENSITY? >> THE DENSITY OF AN RD IS ACTUALLY A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED WITH TOWNHOMES, THERE. I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK. >> CAN WE TALK WITH THE APPLICANT? CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? >> IS MORE THAN 6.5. >> CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THE VARIANCE REQUEST AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE PLEASE? >> THEY DID A HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT. THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY , WHO PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, HE IS AN OUT-OF-TOWN DEVELOPER AND DEVELOPS IN NASHVILLE, VERY HIGH AND TOWNHOMES, MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS, AND PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY WITH THE EXPECTATION TO BRING HIS PRODUCT . HE, HIS, HIS ATTORNEYS LOOKED THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND UNDERSTOOD THE BY RIGHT NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AND HE WENT AHEAD AND PURCHASED IT AND CONTACTED ME. AT WHICH POINT, I FORWARD HIM A COPY OF THE REQUEST WHICH KIND OF CHANGED HIS OUTLOOK . HE GOT DOWN HERE IN A HURRY AND CAME AND MET WITH CITY STAFF AND WENT THROUGH THE PLAN , AND HE UNDERSTOOD THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNITY SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY AND THE NEEDS OF IT AND WENT THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS WITH STAFF TO TRY TO COME TO A PROJECT THAT FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR HIS PURPOSES. IN ORDER TO DO THAT , THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PRICE POINT. IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT SIMPLE OWNERSHIP WAS A NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN NO NEW UNITS BUILT IN SOME TIME , SO WENT THROUGH THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND HOW TO GET TO THAT POINT. AS WE ALL KNOW , THE IDEA OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TODAY IS ALMOST UNATTAINABLE IN THE OPEN MARKET . IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND IN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WITHOUT PUBLIC FUNDING BEING INVOLVED , IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. HE HAS A PRODUCT THAT HAS BEFORE BEEN MORE OF A RENTAL PRODUCT. IT'S A SET OF HOMES THAT ARE TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH, AND THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH AND HE PLACES THEM ON VERY NEAR -- NARROW DIVERSIONS ARE TYPICALLY PRETTY SIMPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ON A SINGLE PROPERTY . WELL, WE GOT THE IDEA OF TRYING TO GET THAT PRODUCT . THE DENSITY RESTRICTIONS WERE BASED NOT ON DENSITY BUT THE LIMITATIONS BASED ON THE ABILITY TO GET TO A FEE SIMPLE DENSITY TO GET THAT PRICE POINT DOWN DUE TO INFRASTRUCTURE COST , WHICH WAS DIFFICULT. THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE THESE UNITS AND PLACE THEM ON LOTS THAT DID NOT MEET THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND FOR THAT REASON, A SET OF VARIANCES WAS REQUESTED AND WAS GRANTED [00:10:05] LAST MONTH TO GET THESE LOCKS DOWN TO A MINIMUM OF 30, ANY MINIMUM OF 30 FEET. THERE ARE SOME OF THE TWO-BEDROOM HOMES WOULD FIT ON THAT , THE THREE BEDROOM HOMES NEED A LITTLE MORE. THERE WERE A COUPLE LOTS ON HERE, ON THE PLAT, AS NOTED IN STAFF COMMENTS ARE SHOWN LESS THAN 30 FEET. THAT IS A MISTAKE ON MY STAFF'S PART, WE WERE IN A RUSH TO GET HERE, AND THEY WENT BY THE ORIGINAL SCHEMATIC LAYOUT AND I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO CHECK THAT , BUT IT'S VERY EASILY MODIFIED TO MEET THE 30 FOOT REQUIREMENT. SO, LONG STORY SHORT, THE APPLICANT OR DEVELOPER HAS FIGURED OUT A WAY TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING THAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE INTEGRAL TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE TWO BEDROOM UNIT WILL BE RIGHT AROUND 185, THE THREE BEDROOM WILL BE RIGHT AROUND 245 POINT HE HAS FIGURED OUT A WAY TO WORK WITH STAFF AND SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE TO BRING A PRODUCT THAT WE BELIEVE IS SORELY NEEDED. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING , I WAS AT THE MEETING, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE VARIANCE WAS GIVEN WITH THE CONDITION THAT THESE BE AFFORDABLE HOMES. >> YES MA'AM. >> JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. >> SO FEE SIMPLE, UNOCCUPIED AFFORDABLE HOMES. >> OKAY. WE MAY NEED YOU BACK IN A BIT. >> YEAH, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION , THE DENSITY IS EIGHT. SO, JUST KIND OF CONCERNING PUBLIC HEARINGS, IT'S MORE FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE DIRECT THEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, QUESTIONS WILL NOT BE ANSWERED DURING PUBLIC HEARING SO PLEASE DIRECT QUESTIONS TO THE COMMISSION AND REMEMBER THAT QUESTIONS WILL NOT BE ANSWERED NOW, THEY WILL BE ANSWERED AFTER PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. >> TAKE A LOOK AT THE CHARTS I AM PASSING AROUND. THESE CAME FROM HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THESE INCOMES WERE GENERATED FOR OUR COMMUNITY , SUPPOSEDLY TO FIT THE NEEDS . FIRST THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS YES, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. A LONG TIME AGO, BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WORKED IN THIS MUNICIPALITY , THE CITY PARTICIPATED . THERE WERE PROPERTIES SET ASIDE, THERE WAS PARTICIPATION FOR PEOPLE THAT COULD NOT AFFORD HOUSING TO AFFORD HOUSING , BUT SINCE THAT TIME, THINGS HAVE GROWN SO QUICK , SO FAST, UNTIL A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME HAVE SHOWED UP AT THE MEETINGS , DIDN'T LIKE ONE THING THAT WAS EXPRESSED. AFFORDABLE HOUSING . WHO DETERMINES WHAT IS AFFORDABLE ? DOES THE DEVELOPER , THE STAFF OF THE CITY , DETERMINE WHAT'S AFFORDABLE FOR THE PEOPLE? THE FIRST THING YOU DO, IF YOU COME TO TOWN AND YOU ARE GOING TO BUY PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU CHECK TO SEE WHAT IS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. YOU DON'T BUY THE PROPERTY AFTER YOU BUY THE PROPERTY . OH, I MADE A MISTAKE. MAYBE I NEED TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS RATHER THAN GET PERMISSION. THIS APPEARS TO BE WHAT HAS HAPPENED. IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE INCOMES, MEDIAN INCOMES, WE HAVE THREE HOUSING PROJECTS IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA. PEOPLE LOVE TO MOVE OUT. [00:15:08] BUT, NO REAL DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO COME AND BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY , GET WITH THE STAFF OF THE CITY, AND ASK , WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY? THE CITY SPENDS 40, $50,000 TO AFFORD FIVE OR SIX HOUSES A YEAR, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. WE NEED 25, 30 A YEAR. THE ONLY WAY THESE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT IS THAT THE DEVELOPER COMMITS TO THE PEOPLE , NOT ASK THE STAFF, TO THE PEOPLE, WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO TO HELP JUSTIFY HIS VARIANCES. HE COME LATER AND TO BRING A POWERPOINT OR ANYTHING AND SAYS OH, I FORGOT, I LEFT IN SUCH A HURRY. MY HANDS ARE UP AND EXCUSES ARE GOOD FOR THOSE THAT MAKE THEM, MY FATHER ALWAYS TOLD ME AND AS A DEVELOPER, YOU DON'T DO THAT WITH A LONG-TERM PROJECT. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BUT GUESS WHAT? GUESS WHAT I WANT FOR MY FRIENDS , WHAT I WANT FOR MYSELF ? A HABITAT THAT I CAN CALL HOME , SOMEPLACE WHERE I CAN BUILD WEALTH, SOMEPLACE WHERE THE LEGACY WILL LIVE ON THROUGH MY CHILDREN BUT AT THIS RATE? WE ARE INCREASING THE DENSITY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DEFINITE ABOUT TRAFFIC , WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DEFINITE ABOUT PARKING, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DEFINITE ABOUT PRICE POINTS. WHAT DO WE HAVE? A GUY THAT RUSHES IN AND SAYS, I WAS IN A RUSH? WE'VE BEEN DUPED SO MUCH AS A PEOPLE. WHY SHOULD WE TRUST HIM? YOU ARE WHO WE ARE TRUSTING THAT I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED . HOW DOES HE PLAN TO ADJUST? WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO? OH, WE MADE ANOTHER MISTAKE. THINK ABOUT IT, PEOPLE. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T WORK PROFESSIONALLY. $95,000? IF THEY MADE $95,000, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? THINK ABOUT IT. MY ONLY HOPE IS THAT A BOARD LIKE YOU GUYS THAT WOULD HELP THIS GENTLEMAN HELP US MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS , NOT JUST RUSH TO JUDGMENT, OH, I MADE A MISTAKE, FORGIVE ME, I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND FIX IT. THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME ? >> LINDBERG B JACKSON, I'M IN TRANSIT, ARROWHEAD DRIVE, MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA. THE MAC THANK YOU. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC HEARING? GREAT. IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME. MY NAME IS MARTIN AT 502 THIRD STREET AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT UP THERE. ON LESS THAN 10 ACRES . THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING , ESPECIALLY IF THE FAMILY, A HUSBAND AND WIFE, HAPPEN TO HAVE TWO KIDS , EVENTUALLY ALL OF THEM WILL HAVE A CAR. WITH THIS LITTLE BIT OF LAND, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PARK TWO CARS AND RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST BUILT A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES RIGHT UP ON THE AVENUE AND THE SEWER , I GUESS THEY DIDN'T DO A SEWER STUDY, BUT RIGHT UP FROM MY HOUSE , IT WAS STINKING SO BAD , I THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS DEAD. THE CITY CAME OUT AND RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY HOUSE IS A VACANT LOT. THEY HAD SOME BIG TRACTORS AND STUFF THAT WENT DOWN THERE AND IT TOOK THEM THREE WEEKS TO CLEAN THAT UP , BUT AS FOR NOW, YOU CAN STILL SMELL THE SMELL , IF THE WIND IS BLOWING A CERTAIN WAY, YOU CAN STILL SMELL THE STINK COMING FROM THERE. [00:20:04] ANOTHER THING, WHEN WE GET READY TO GO OUT , IF I HAVE AN EARLY DOCTORS APPOINTMENT, AND LEAVING HOME ABOUT 7:30. IF I AM MAKING THAT LEFT TURN, IT WILL TAKE ME MAYBE 15 MINUTES TO HURRY UP AND RUN OUT THERE TO TRY TO GET IN . THEY HAVEN'T DONE A STUDY THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE, IT WAS 100 SOMETHING APARTMENTS , COTTAGES, WHATEVER ON THE HILL WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT. ALL THOSE PEOPLE FEED INTO THEIR TO GO DOWN THIRD STREET, WHEREVER THEY WERE. I JUST THINK IT'S TOO MANY MORE HOUSES IN THAT LITTLE SPACE. >> THANK YOU. >> JUNIOR ALLEN, I LIVE AT THE END OF TUCKER AND, THE SEWAGE IS HORRIBLE. IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED. AT NO PARTICULAR TIME, IT SMELLS HORRIBLE AND IT'S BEEN DOING THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN LIVING OVER THERE . IT SMELLS REALLY BAD AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOUSE IS ON THE HILL, PEOPLE ARE RUNNING INTO THAT SEWAGE BUT AT TIMES AND FOR A GOOD WHILE, IT SMELLS. PUT LIME DOWN, SO IT DOESN'T SMELL SO BAD AT THAT POINT, BUT THAT'S A TEMPORARY FIX . THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE SEWAGE. >> THANK YOU. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS GERALDINE PITTS. I LIVE ON JONES STREET AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE HOUSES ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. WOULD THERE BE A PRIVACY FENCE , FROM MY BACKYARD ? WHEN THEY START , THE WORK, THE CONSTRUCTION WORK , WHAT TIME WOULD THEY START IN THE MORNING , WHAT EFFECT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD , THE TRAFFIC FLOOR, COMING IN FROM SLAUGHTER STREET , STRAIGHT THROUGH. WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THAT? WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THIS PEOPLE HAVE JUST VERY LITTLE LENGTH ON THE LAND WHEN IT COMES TO COMING OUT OF THEIR YARD AND IF THEY HAVE NO TRAFFIC, THERE. THEY WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE LINE OF THAT TRAFFIC AND ANOTHER THING WOULD BE THE SCHOOLCHILDREN. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL THAT TIME OF THE MORNING. SOME KIDS RUN AND PLAY , YOU KNOW HOW KIDS DO, AND UNCONCERNED WITH ALL THAT TRAFFIC COMING, GOING TO AUBURN UNIVERSITY, AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, MY CONCERN IS THE KIDS AND THE FAMILIES , LET ALONE AN EMERGENCY IF SOMEBODY GETS SICK . YOU HAVE CARS COMING THROUGH, CARS PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU KNOW. THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE . YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S MOSTLY IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE , I WILL, OH, I'M SORRY. >> GOOD EVENING . MY NAME IS [00:25:08] MARY MOORE, AND I HAVE PROPERTY AT 913 SLAUGHTER STREET HERE IN AUBURN AND ONE CONCERN AT A MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT WAS THE TRAFFIC FLOW. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THAT AREA WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE COMING UP , POSSIBLY, IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, WE ARE MOVING INTO A NEW ERA . FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THINGS ARE REALLY GOING TO CHANGE AND THAT ARRAY OF LIVING , OF PEOPLE MOVING IN AND OUT, AND THE NEW HOMES COMING UP FOR THE AREA, FOR THE BOSTON SUBDIVISION . IT CAN BE A LITTLE TIGHT. I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE CITIZENS THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY , IT'S THE CHILDREN, TOO. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILDREN FOR THE SCHOOL ROUTE, THE CARS AND STUFF GOING IN AND OUT. IT'S SUCH A SMALL AREA THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE 58, 59 HOUSES COMING UP IN THAT AREA, TO . I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUNDING . IF THERE IS A FAMILY THAT IS WANTING TO MOVE AND HAVE ONE OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOME, LIKE MYSELF, CAN I GET THAT FROM YOU? CAN I COME AND SAY HEY, I NEED SOMEONE TO GET ONE OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS? I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE. I'M SURE YOU KNOW YOU WANT YOUR PROPERTY TO LOOK GOOD. IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, PEOPLE WERE RAISED THEIR YEARS AND YEARS AGO, AND YOU SPEAK UP ON THE FACT THAT OKAY, THERE'S ANOTHER MEMORY, IT'S GONE. I UNDERSTAND THAT PROPERTY HAS TO BE USED, IT'S GOT TO BE TAKEN OVER FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER TO A, WELL, I MOVED AND GONE AWAY FOR A WHILE AND I COME BACK AND I AM LIKE, WOW. LOOK AT THIS. THIS IS WHERE I USED TO LIVE . WHY DIDN'T I THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE? BECAUSE I LEFT FOR A REASON. I DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT FOR WHATEVER IT WOULD'VE COST BACK THEN AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR THE ONES THAT MIGHT WANT TO BE THE OWNER OF ONE OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FOR THE CHILDREN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DID ANYONE ELSE RAISE THEIR HAND? THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL REITERATE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES. WITH THE PREAPPROVED VARIANCES. >> YES . >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS , SO WE NEED THE APPLICANT BACKUP BID ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ABOUT PARKING FOR THESE HOMES. IF YOU COULD ANSWER THAT. >> YES MA'AM, I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN TO ANSWER AS MANY AS I CAN. THE PARKING , EACH ONE OF THESE HOMES WILL HAVE A TWO CAR DRIVEWAY. THAT IS WHAT IS PREDOMINATELY GIVEN IN MOST SUBDIVISIONS IN THE CITY. I DON'T , I WOULD HAVE TO ASK STAFF, OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY SEWER ISSUES AND WE HOPE NOT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THEM. >> THE PRIVACY FENCE? >> YES MA'AM. UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME, WHAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS LEAVE AS MUCH BUFFER AS POSSIBLE AROUND THIS PROPERTY. WHAT HAS GONE ON IS WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO PUT ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO NOT TOUCH THAT OPEN SPACE AT ALL. IT IS TO LEAVE IT , TRYING TO MITIGATE THE FACT THAT YES, THIS IS A VERY DENSE SINGLE-FAMILY SUBDIVISION , SO TRYING TO GIVE SOME AREA . I AM NOT SURE WHERE PROPERTY IS, EXACTLY. I IMAGINE THERE WILL BE SOME, WHERE THE FENCES ARE NEEDED AND OTHERS THAT WILL BE TRYING TO BE LEFT [00:30:04] WOODED AND ANY REDUCTION OF THAT , SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION OF THAT AREA WOULD BE NEEDED FOR FENCING BUT I CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT. >> THE LAST QUESTION , WAS CONCERNED WITH, THE CONSTRUCTION FLOW OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES IN AND OUT. >> YES MA'AM. CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES HAVE TO BE BROUGHT IN. THEY WILL BE PLACED ONTO THE SIDE . THE CITY OF AUBURN STAFF DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF POLICING CONSTRUCTION SITE AND MAKING SURE THAT WORKERS ARE NOT PARKING ON EXISTING PUBLIC STREETS, AS SOON AS THE SITE CAN GET CLEARED, HOPEFULLY WHERE THEY NEED TO GET ON , ON ANY PROJECTS THAT I AM HANDLING FROM A PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND POINT IN ATTEMPT TO GO AHEAD AND STABILIZE AN AREA ON RIGHT WHERE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES CAN BE PARKED ON CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT WILL OBVIOUSLY REMAIN ON THE SITE. WE TRY TO GET PEOPLE OFF PUBLIC ROADS BUT CITY STAFF DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT HAPPENS, AS WELL. >> AND EACH LOT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE WHAT SETBACKS? >> FRONT AND BACK . >> IS VERY SMALL. >> I CANNOT REMEMBER, OFFHAND. I DON'T BELIEVE , IT'S WHAT, 25? THERE WAS NO FRONT OR REAR YARD SETBACK VARIANCE REQUESTED. >> IT'S 20. >> THANK YOU BID >> 20 ON THE FRONT AND REAR AND FIVE ON THE SIDE. >> ANOTHER THING MENTIONED WAS TRAFFIC. THE CITY IS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT , ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOMS THIS LARGE , WHY DON'T WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS? >> OUR THRESHOLD FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES IS 70 DWELLING UNITS BEFORE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THIS WAS 58, SO IT'S JUST UNDER THE THRESHOLD. >> AND ALL IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE ? >> BASED ON THE EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORK, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT A LITTLE CLOSER , TO SEE A FOSTER STRAIGHT HAS VERY GOOD ACCESS , AS WELL AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING CONNECTIVITY OF THE JONES STREET CONNECTION TO HELP DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC A LITTLE BETTER. >> SO IF WE GO BACK TO MY QUESTION, CAN I GET YOU TO MAYBE SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN GENERAL? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE MIGHT HAVE AN ACUTE TRAFFIC PROBLEM HERE. WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE A LOOK? WHAT DOES A TRAFFIC STUDY NORMALLY TRY TO ACCOMPLISH? >> PRIMARILY, LOOKING AT PEAK OUR IMPACTS, THAT'S USUALLY MORNING AND AFTERNOON AND IT ALSO LOOKS AT OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED , SO LEFT TURN LANE , TRAFFIC SIGNAL. IDEALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT CAUSE ADVERSE IMPACTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND IF SO THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE MEDICATION BE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE . >> THAT HELPS. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS PRICE POINT. HOW MUCH OF THIS PRICE POINT WAS DESCRIBED -- >> THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. THAT IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. >> I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT , BUT BASED ON QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN HEARING, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPIED NEIGHBORHOOD . THEY WORK WITH THEM WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES YOU TALKED ABOUT? >> I CAN ABSOLUTELY SPEAK TO THAT. SO THE PLAN , ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH , WE DID TALK ABOUT PRICE POINT IN GENERAL WAS AFFORDABILITY. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE COST OF AN INCH AWAY -- A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? [00:35:10] THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED AND IF YOU WILL GO AND LOOK AT YOUR OWN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE COST IS THE OPERATIONS. NOT ONLY THE ACTUAL CUTTING OF GRASS OR THE MAINTENANCE OF ANY AREAS LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO JUST THE COST OF OPERATIONS. WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED ON THIS ONE IS AN ATTEMPT IS TO NOT FORM A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION , SIMPLY TO SAVE THE BUYERS THE COST OF A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THE PROPOSAL IS TO TAKE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE PART OF A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND PLACED THEM AS DATA RESTRICTIONS ON THE LOT AND EMPOWER THE BUYERS THEMSELVES TO ENFORCE THOSE RESTRICTIONS THE SAME WAY A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WOULD, SHOULD, AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO COMPLY, THEY CAN TAKE THEM TO COURT. THAT IS THE SAME AVENUE THE LOCAL BUYERS WOULD HAVE , JUST ABOUT THE COST OF AN HLA. >> AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH TRAFFIC AND PARKING ON AND OFF THE STREET? >> MY QUESTION IS ABOUT WATER AND SEWER. IF WE CAN FIND OUT -- >> AS FAR AS OUR MODEL GOES, WE ARE NOT SHOWING ANY CAPACITY ISSUES IN THAT AREA. WE DID HAVE ISSUES THERE, LAST FALL. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ONGOING PROBLEMS . WE WILL TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND IT'S NOT , IT'S FOR MS. FRASER . THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT I BELIEVE YOU ANSWERED , I WANT YOU TO STATES, I BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO KNOW, SLAUGHTER STREET IS GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH ? >> I WAS LOOKING AT MY MAP. SLAUGHTER STREET IS THE BOTTOM STREET ON THE MAP AND IT WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING STUBBED OUT OF SLAUGHTER STREET. IS THAT THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE THAT A CUL-DE-SAC. THIS WILL CONNECT AT SOME POINT, POTENTIALLY. >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ? THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS DOES NEED A TECHNICAL AREAS, AND SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE ON. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IT'S NOT BEING FORWARDED. >> MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. [6. Preliminary Plat - Longleaf Crossing Phase 7-PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-006 ] >> THAT EVENING. -- GOOD EVENING. THIS IS LOCATED ON DOWNS WAY, ON COLLEGE CROSSING . THIS IS WEST OF DOWNS COURT , THE VICINITY MAP ISN'T GREAT BUT IT IS SOUTH OF LONGLEAF. AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR 10 TOWNHOME LOTS , WITH THE [00:40:01] APPLICATION . THE APPLICANT PROVIDED AN UPDATED MASTER PLAN . THIS WAS A CONDITION SET FORTH IN THE FINAL PLAT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED , WITH CROSSING PHASE FIVE SEE. IT'S UPDATED IN THE MASTER PLAN TO SHOW THE EXISTING BUILDOUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT , AS THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS , WITH AN UPDATED UNIT COUNT. THE DENSITY FOR THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS 12.3, BUT THE AVERAGE IS 5.5 WHICH IS WELL UNDER THE MAXIMUM AS WELL AS IT ALIGNS WITH THE DENSITY APPROVED DDD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND WE DO HAVE COMMENTS AND NOTES , A MINIMUM OF 15% OPEN SPACE ADDED TO THE PLAT AND WE ASK THAT THE UPDATED MASTER PLAN CONTINUE TO BE UPDATED WITH FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT INCLUDE AN EXTRA UNIT COUNT IN THE LOTS WE'VE CONFIGURED. ENGINEERING HAS ALSO ASKED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY UNDER THE NEXT PROPOSED FEE OR SUBDIVISION AND TO HAVE THE SIDEWALK COMPLETED. A PORTION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OKAY. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THAT AT THIS TIME. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS? >> MOTION TO APPROVE . >> SECOND. >> SECOND BID ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. [7. Rezoning - Mimms Trail Rural to DDH - PUBLIC HEARING RZ-2024-003 ] >> ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT TWO CASES ON YOUR AGENDA ARE FOR THE MEN'S TRAIL DDD. IT'S A FACE REZONING TO DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED AN OVERLAY ON TOP OF THAT ACREAGE. WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF BOTH OF THE APPLICATIONS STRICTLY BECAUSE THE ZONING OF DD H DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IS THE PROX MAP FOR THE PROPERTY. YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS NOW WORLD AND IS ADJACENT TO THE SUMMIT PDD WHICH HAS INFORMALLY BECOME KNOWN AS MEMS PDD. THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT AND WE'VE GOT AND C9 DOWN TO THE SOUTH , ALONG WITH OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS TO THE WEST. THIS MAP SHOWS THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY IS ALONG MILL CREEK ROAD , LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS AN AVERAGE OF SIX UNITS IN ACRE. THE MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS SPLIT AND PERMITS AN AVERAGE OF EIGHT DWELLING UNITS FOR, HOLD ON, 75% OF THE PROPERTY AND 25% OF THE PROPERTY IT WOULD ALLOW 16 UNITS PER ACRE. THE WORLD DESIGNATION PERMITS ONE DWELLING UNIT FOR EVERY THREE ACRES. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS ONE. I AM HAPPY TO DISCUSS NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO OR WE CAN DO THAT NEXT TIME. >> COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE, OKAY. ANOTHER TIME. >> GOOD EVENING. >> 1153 ROCK FENCE ROAD . I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION. FIRST, A FUTURE LAND USE PERMIT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED IN SEVERAL YEARS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS STATED IS THAT IT IS [00:45:01] ADVISORY IN NATURE . AS AMBER POINTED OUT , WE ARE SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENTS OF EQUAL OR GREATER DENSITY THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND THIS IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS MEMS TRAIL WITH 300 ACRES AND HAS THE SAME DENSITY . 22.4 UNITS PER ACRE. THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH IS 29 WITH FIVE UNITS, RIGHT? THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT IS THE SANITARY SEWER STATION HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WILL MAKE SEWER AVAILABLE AND THE LIVE STATION ON THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNED IN COOPERATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND SIZED TO ACCOMMODATE THE DENSITY THAT WE ARE CLOSING ON THESE 65 ACRES AND TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL PHASES OF THE TRIAL AND IN ADDITION , THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTH AND WEST IS UNDEVELOPED. IT WAS NOT AVAILABLE WHEN THE LAND USE PLAN WAS ADOPTED. THE ZONING ORDINANCE CLEARED. THE DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT HOUSING , WITH SPECIFIC AND DOCUMENTED FILING FOR A MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A SEWER LINE. THIS WILL MAKE OTHER OBSERVATIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> GOOD EVENING. REPRESENTING MR. CLEVELAND , THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP , ALONG THE SOUTHEASTERN BOUNDARY OF HIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS THE CREEK, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. THAT'S THE SOUTHSIDE, SOUTHWEST. I'M SORRY. SO, IT'S MORE THAN THE NATURAL DELINEATION, HERE, TO SEPARATE WORLD FROM THE REST OF THIS OTHER AREA. AGAIN, THIS STATION THAT IS INSTALLED ON THIS PROPERTY THAT IS SERVING THIS PROPERTY AND THE UPPER BASIN , ESSENTIALLY, ALL THE AREA AND GREEN NORTHWEST OF US IS WHAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO DESIGN THE STATION TO SO WE DESIGNED THE STATION TO ACCOMMODATE MEN'S TRAIL , THIS PARCEL, AND THEN INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THAT TO SERVE THIS PROPERTY TO THE NORTHWEST AT A DENSITY OF DD H. THE WHOLE THING IS PLANNED AND CONSTRUCTED AND WE HAVE A FUTURE CHANGE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS. THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US ON HILL CREEK IS LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL . WE ARE HALF OF THAT DENSITY. MEN'S TRAIL DENSITY IS NEXT TO US SO MY POINT IS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, IT CHANGED. I KNOW IT WAS BEING CONTEMPLATED AS A ONE ACRE LOT , SO WHY WERE WE DESIGNED TO DESIGN THAT STATION FIVE UNITS PER ACRE? WE HAVE THREE QUARTERS OF $1 MILLION IN THE LIFT STATION AND IN ENFORCEMENT AND SO IF I DENSITY IS ONE UNIT PER THREE ACRES, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WHO IS REIMBURSING US FOR ALL THE CAPACITY WE JUST CREATED? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. CAN YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE? HERE IS THE ZONING MAP. TO THE SOUTH OF US IS NCA, YOU CAN DO FIVE UNITS IN ACRE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW, TOMORROW. ACROSS THE STREET FROM US , ESSENTIALLY, AUBURN LINKS AS TO THE ANNEX , COMING IN AND FILLING IN THE WHOLE WEST SIDE OF MILL CREEK, AS WELL. IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE CREATING REZONING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS AREA. WE HAVE PARKER'S AND MEL IN THE [00:50:03] SOUTHWEST CORNER AND SAND HILL AND AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CREEK BEING THE NATURAL BUFFER, THAT NATURAL BUFFER IS THERE, SEPARATING AND SEE EIGHT ZONING FROM THE OTHER SIDE , JUST LIKE OUR PIECE. WE THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE CHANGES OF SEWER BEING AVAILABLE AND MIXING WITH YOU JASON ZONING'S . NEXT ONE? THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY EXHIBIT THAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING AND SHOWS YOU THE DENSITY AROUND US BEEN MEMS TRAIL, THAT 2.4 , PARKER'S AND MEL, DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION AT TWO UNITS PER ACRE. THERE ARE PARTS OF MILL CREEK OF THEIR AND MAGNOLIA GARDENS THAT ARE ZONED FOR THIS BREAKER. IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE A CRAZY DENSITY COMPARED TO THE AREA AROUND US AND OUR SIDE OF THE CREEK , THAT SEPARATES, FROM MY MIND, LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WILL HAVE MORE ON THE PDD. >> THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE REZONING REQUEST. SEEING NO ONE , WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BID QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> I CAN SEE WHY THE STAFF MAKES THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THINK THAT WE AS A BOARD ARE HERE TO EXERCISE JUDGMENT, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AFTER THE RESOURCES OF THE CITY AND THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS CONTEXT , THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT GREATER DENSITY . IT MEANS WE ARE PUSHING THE DEVELOPMENT FURTHER AWAY. I THINK IN THIS SITUATION, IT MAKES SENSE. >> I AM KIND OF PERPLEXED THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT THIS LIST STATION. HOW DID THAT GET , HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK , DO YOU GO TO THE DEVELOPER AND THEY BILLED ME A STATION THAT SUPPORTS THE DEVELOPMENT? HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? NOW WE ARE READY AND ARE SAYING, -- >> THAT IS CITY LEADERSHIP DECISIONS AND STAFF DECISIONS. >> I WOULD STILL LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER. >> SURE. WHEN THE FIRST PHASE CAME IN , THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT VARIOUS OTHER BASINS AND OTHER REGIONS THAT COULD SERVE SUBSEQUENT PHASES AND AT THAT TIME , WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT ASKED , IF THERE CONTINGENT IS TO FULLY DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY , THE STATION NEEDS TO BE BUILT TO HANDLE IT BECAUSE ONCE YOU BUILD IT , YOU CAN'T GO BACK. YOU HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT THE WHOLE THING. >> THAT LOGICALLY MAKES SENSE . >> IT'S JUST MUTUALLY AGREED . >> AND THAT'S AVAILABLE, SHOULD YOU -- >> AT THE TIME, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS , NO, WE ARE JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT RURAL. >> 2018. SIX YEARS AGO? >> THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON NOW WOULD HAVE REQUIRED THAT. IT'S UP SIZED AS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT. >> 003. TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> ROBYN BRIDGES? DANA CAMP? PHIL CHANSLER? DAVID WISDOM? WARREN MCCORD? ? RICHARD RITENBAUGH? WENDY BIRMINGHAM? [00:55:01] JOSEPH AISTRUP? THANK YOU. >> LET ME ASK STAFF, NOW, OUR NEXT LAND-USE PLAN IS SCHEDULED TO BE DONE, WHEN? >> GREAT QUESTION. >> I NORMALLY LIKE TO HOLD TO THE LAND USE PLAN . A LOT OF CHANGES HAVE TAKEN PLACE , SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS A RELEVANT REASON TO OVERRIDE OUR LAND-USE PLAN , NOT ADVOCATING THAT , THIS SUGGESTS WE NEED TO DO SERIOUS LAND-USE EXAMINATION . >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT DENSITY WITHIN AN URBAN COURT OR IS A GOOD THING AND SO THEREFORE, HAVING ONE ACRE LOTS WITH IT IN A DRIVABLE DISTANCE IS NOT A GOOD THING. WHAT WE WANT IS DENSITY IN THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR. ANYTIME YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BUILD DENSITY BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WE SHOULD BE PLANNING TO DO SO. THAT MEANS TURNING IT OVER FROM WORLD IN TERMS OF LONG-TERM PLANS. >> THEN IT WAS NEAR -- >> WE DO NOW. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT COMMENTARY. NEXT ? [8. Rezoning - Mimms Trail PDD - PUBLIC HEARING RZ-2024-004] >> THE NEXT APPLICATION IS FOR THE PDD OVERLAY FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE JUST DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED. THE PDD REQUIRES A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY AND THIS IS IT. IT SHOWS 157 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, 89 SINGLE FAMILY, AND , I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THIS, 68 TOWNHOMES , HERE. THE PROPERTY WILL BE CONNECTED THROUGH THE SUMMIT PDD, FROM SHROPSHIRE DRIVE AND MEN'S TRAIL BUT AGAIN, THEY WILL REMAIN SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT. ENGINEERING HAS RECOMMENDED , OR HAS MADE THE COMMENT, TO MAKE THE CONNECTIONS, HERE BID THIS PROPOSED ROAD TO SHROPSHIRE AND PROPOSED ROAD ONE TO THE EXISTING MEMS TRAIL ROAD, AND THOSE ROADS WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS ALONG THEN. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN 54% OF THE PROPERTY , 35 ACRES, WHEN THEY ARE REQUIRED 30%. A BIT MORE . >> I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. TO SPEAK TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THAT THE MISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? >> AND I JUST SPEAK ABOUT THE ROAD CONNECTION? >> ON THE ROAD CONNECTIONS, THE BOTTOM ROAD CONNECTION , THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE. THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT GREAT CHANCE AND FROM THOSE , DOWN TO THE CREEK IS 60 FEET OF FALL FROM BOTH SIDES. THESE ARE CLIFFHANGERS. THESE UNITS THAT BACKUP HAVE A VIEW THAT IS PROBABLY LIKE NONE OTHER. THEY SET UP REALLY HIGH AND YOU HAVE THE BOTTOMS DOWN, WAY BELOW YOU. YOU CAN SEE FOR DAYS, BUT THERE IS SO MUCH OF A CHANGE. THE REASON WE HAVE 54% OPEN SPACE IS NOT BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST, BEST WAY TO MAXIMIZE DENSITY ON THE SLOT. WE HAVE A TON OF STREAMS AND WETLANDS , A LOT OF ROCK, AND WE ALSO HAVE A TON. THIS AREA TO THE SOUTH IS LIKE A BIG SLOPE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY PLANNED PINES. IF WE TRIED TO PUT A CROSSING THROUGH THERE, WE WOULD BE PIPING THAT WHOLE STREET WHICH, A LOT OF TIMES, EVERYBODY GIVES US A HARD TIME FORGETTING RID OF STREAMS AND WETLANDS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THESE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS. WE REALLY DO HAVE A TOPOGRAPHIC HARDSHIP AND IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE . IN REGARDS TO THE OTHER ONE, WE ARE TRYING TO SEPARATE OUR DIFFERENT HOUSING TIMES . WE WERE HOPING , BECAUSE THESE TOWNHOMES ARE FRONTLOADED, WE WERE TRYING TO [01:00:01] ACCESS THE BACK OF THE EXISTING MEMS TRAIL NEIGHBORHOOD TO CUT THROUGH THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY, MORE SPACING. WE WERE TRYING TO FORCE THEM GOING THROUGH THAT DIRECTION DUE TO TOWNHOMES . COULD WE MAKE IT WORK? PROBABLY. WE WERE TRYING TO AGAIN SEPARATE OUR HOUSING TYPES TO THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE WERE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. >> THIS IS TO THE OTHER ROAD. OKAY? >> THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS THE TOPOGRAPHIC ISSUE. >> COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? >> LET ME ASK ENGINEERING. PARTICULARLY THROUGH THE CREEK. CONNECTIVITY, OBVIOUSLY. THIS WOULD CONNECT TO THE OVERALL SUBDIVISION . >> THE FIRST ONE DOES NOT. >> IT CONNECTS TO THE OVERALL. >> OKAY. >> THERE WERE CONSIDERABLE ENVIRONMENTAL DISRUPTIONS. WE WANTED IF WE CAN GET IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND , MOVING FORWARD. WITH OR WITHOUT COMMENT THREE. >> THOSE ARE COMMENTS AND CONDITIONS. >> GO AHEAD. >> WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER TODAY. COMMENTS FUNCTION AS CONDITIONS. >> IS THAT NEW? >> NO, NOT NEW. OKAY. I WILL FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND STRIKING NUMBER THREE. UNDER ENGINEERING SERVICES. AND NUMBER FOUR, CORRECT ? >> WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION. >> SECOND. >> ENGINEERING COMMENT . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. >> EXCUSE ME, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? I THINK I'VE HEARD YOU APPROVE THE AMENDMENT, DID YOU APPROVE THE NEW CONDITIONAL MOTION? >> THERE WAS A FORMAL AMENDMENT FROM THE PERSON WHO MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION. >> THANK YOU. [9. Conditional Use - University Wine and Spirits - PUBLIC HEARING CU-2024-016 ] >> FOR THIS ITEM , WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF CITY COUNCIL ON A CONDITIONAL USE FOR COMMERCIAL, ENTERTAINMENT USE AT 316 DONAHUE DRIVE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT WEST DISTRICT AND IS LOT ONE AND TWO OF HERITAGE PARK SUBDIVISION . IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT FOR FAMILY DOLLAR THAT IS IN OPERABLE AND HAS BEEN FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. WE HAVE A HISTORICAL SITE PLAN ON FILE THAT SHOWS THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY SITS , WITH THE FAMILY DOLLAR BUILDING SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 8000 SQUARE FEET AND THE APPLICANT HAS DISCLOSED TO US THAT THEY WISH TO TURN THE PROPERTY INTO GROCERY AND PACKAGE STORE USE AND THEY NEED [01:05:02] THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL . THE BUILDING WOULD BECOME TWO SEPARATE STOREFRONTS WITH A 50-50 SPLIT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE LOFT BE CONSOLIDATED AND THAT USE OF A PACKAGE STORE BEING NO MORE THAN 4000 SQUARE FEET . IT IS IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLANS WITH THE NORTHWEST AUBURN AREA PLAN AND WE FIND THAT IT IS CONTEXTUALLY APPROPRIATE GIVEN OTHER STORIES AS NEAR AS THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PACKAGE STORE CONDITIONAL USE . SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS? >> I MOVE TO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. WITH CONDITIONS. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE EMOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >> I AM ALSO OPPOSED. >> WE HAVE TWO NOSE. DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? >> >> THANK YOU. >> THIS REQUEST IS FOR [10. Conditional Use - Caliber Collision - PUBLIC HEARING CU-2024-017] CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF THE ROAD SERVICE USE , SPECIFICALLY AUTO REPAIR AND PAINT BODYWORK LOCATED AT THE WEST OF SOUTH COLLEGE STREET AND IT IS WITHIN THE CELLS COLLEGE COURT OR DISTRICT , WITH SURROUNDING USES TO THE SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT OWNED BY AUBURN UNIVERSITY. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION ALONG SOUTH COLLEGE STREETS. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN. FOR OTHER REPAIR. IT'S 1.9 ACRES. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING DESTINATION AND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, AS WELL. THERE'S A BROAD MIX OF COMMERCIAL ZONING AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL . WE HAVE CONDITIONS. >> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN NOT, NOW. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO CONDITIONAL USES. THANK YOU. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS CONNOR PATTON, CIVIL ENGINEER , DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPOSED AUTO BODY SHOP . I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE POINTS , BASED ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE PERMIT AND LOOKING AT DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS. I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT ALL WORK WILL BE DONE WITH THE DOOR SHUT AND THEN THE TYPICAL STORE , OPEN 7:30 IN THE MORNING TO 5:30. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AM HERE TO ANSWER THEN. THANK YOU. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS? >> MOVED TO APPROVE , FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE EMOTION AND A SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT IS OUR LAST. DO [STAFF COMMUNICATION] [01:10:04] WE HAVE ANY BUSINESS? >> NO BUSINESS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY HOW COMMENTS WORK , MOVING FORWARD SO WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. IN THE PROCESS WHEN SOMEONE SUBMIT SOMETHING, OFTEN COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS. IN THE PROCESS, IF SOMETHING GETS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, THEY WILL SUBMIT PLANS FOR FINAL APPROVAL SO IN THAT PROCESS IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS TO ADDRESS COMMENTS. SOME OF THEM ARE REAL OBSTACLES AND YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT COMMENTS DO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED . RARELY ARE THEY SUGGESTIONS . THIS COULD MAYBE MAKE IT BETTER, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL, THIS DOESN'T HAVE SCALE, SO QUESTIONS DO HAVE TO BE RESOLVED , EVERYTHING WORKING UP TO THE FINAL APPROVED PROCESS IS WORKING TO RESOLVE A LOT OF COMMENT OR COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF , I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE THIS, DOES THIS WORK. THEY ARE COMMENTS . THEY FUNCTION AS CONDITIONS THAT MUST BE MET. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M SUPPOSED TO MOVE FOR ADJOURNMENT. ALL THOSE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.