Jun 13, 2024 Planning Commission

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>> IN THE JUNE MEETING TO ORDER. DANA CAN'T COME HERE.

>> ROBYN BRIDGES. VICE CHAIRMAN MCCORD. BOB RITENBAUGH. WENDY BIRMINGHAM. JOSEPH AISTRUP. PHIL CHANSLER.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS OF THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE AUBURN CITY FIGHTING COMMISSION.

AGENDA ITEMS BY CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES FOR EACH AGENDA ITEM WITH COMMENTS FOR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN AND AS APPROPRIATE, THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM AT HAND. WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEARD -- KEEP YOUR TIME TO FIVE MINUTES. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND. AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE COMMISSIONERS WILL VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS WITH CITY COPPERHEADS UP 2030 AND -- THE BASIS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTING PROCESS I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE OUR ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY RELATED TO THE APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLAT. THE MUNICIPAL DIVISION, SUCH AS OURS, FINAL APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLATS. THE COMMISSION ACTS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND IS BOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS CONTAINED IN STATE LAWS, CITY ZONING ORDINANCE OR SUBDIVISION REGULATION PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED ON EACH LOT. WE WELCOME COMMENT IN CONCERN ON THESE ITEMS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO CONFIRMING THAT THE PLAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS CODIFIED IN LAWS, REGULATION PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED. IF YOU DO INTEND TO SPEAK IN A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, PLEASE SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ONLY AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF SUBDIVISION DECISION, WHICH WE ARE IN CHARGE OF MAKING A FINAL DECISION. THE CITY COUNCIL POST PLANNING POSITION. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPTION FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT CITIZENS MEDICATION AT THIS TIME. THIS IS FOR ANY PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL

[CONSENT AGENDA ]

REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 9TH. AN ACCESSION OF 2042 BONNIE GLENN. FINAL PLAT FOR OAK CREEK, FIRST EDITION. FROM

[3. Preliminary Plat - Heritage Ridge Subdivision - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-013]

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>> CORRECT. CORRECT. SO, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR ANY

QUESTIONS. >> IS THE APPLICANT IN ATTENDANCE? OKAY. AT THIS TIME, THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I LIKE TO OPEN THAT AT THIS TIME FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON HERITAGE RIDGE SUBDIVISION.

>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER SEEN YOU LIVE. I'VE ONLY SEEN YOU ON SCREEN. YOU LOOK BETTER LIVE THAN STREAMING. MY NAME IS DR. MATTHEW COLDS, PHD, ECONOMIST.

I LIVE AT 2096 LAMB LANE IN IN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THIS PROPERTY HERE. I JUST WANTED TO GET INFORMATION THAT I REPORTED THE EAGLES NEST ON JANUARY 2021 TO -- RIGHT NOW I HAD A RESPONSE TODAY FROM MERCEDES MATTIX, NONGAME WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST IN THE FRESH FISHERIES DIVISION AND COUNTRY ROAD PLATTEVILLE, ALABAMA. THE REGIONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT. AS AN ECONOMIST, I AM FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS, PROPERTY RIGHTS HAVE AN INHERENT RESPONSIBILITY IN HOW YOU USE THAT PROPERTY, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO OBEY THE LOCAL AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR THAT. SO, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT ON RECORD THAT THIS IS REPORTED. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN THE BALD EAGLE NEST LOCATION DATABASE IN 2021, IT IS BEING REVIEWED AND UPDATED AND AS AN EMAIL TODAY FROM MERCEDES MATTIX, IF IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY AND IT IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHO AND THE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER AND BUILDER ADHERE TO THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS IF WE DON'T KNOW, I WILL ASK THE AUDIENCE TO SAY WHO DO WE WANT TO PUT ON A COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE ADHERED TO. NOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FINDS OUT THAT THERE IS NOT A VIOLATION, THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM, I AM OKAY WITH THAT.

THAT IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT SIDE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO, DO YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER ADHERES TO THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE.

ANYONE ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> I JUST WANT TO ADD AS THERE ARE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. IT IS OKAY IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. IT IS REALLY DISORDERLY TO GO BACK AND FORTH IN THE MIDDLE OF PUBLIC HEARING TO MOVE AWAY UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ASKED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I AM MITCH , I AM ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OWNERS. TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM ADDRESSED. THE ADJACENT

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IS NOT IMPACTED, AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD EVENING, RICHARD FREEBORN. 3226 MONTIEL ELAINE IN THE UTILITY SUBDIVISION. I AM PART OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. IN LOOKING THROUGH THE PROPOSED PLAN, WE DO NOT SEE ANY POOL INVOLVED IN THAT PLAN. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT AS IT IS IN THE FINAL PHASE AND ORIGINALLY IN THE FINAL PHASE OF THAT WILL BECOME PART OF THE THE HLA RESPONSIBILITY. THE POOR THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR ANOTHER 48 PROPERTIES. SO, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPERS PLANS ARE TO REMEDIATE THAT POOL TO SUPPORT THEM.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY AT 2216 AND 2210. BOTH OF THOSE LOTS, RIGHT THERE. WE BUTT UP AGAINST THE CONTRIBUTORY. KEITH AND RON WITH AUBURN UNIVERSITY BUILDING IN SCIENCE PROPERTY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS PREPLANNING WITH FIGURING THIS OUT BEFORE IT GETS TOO FAR AND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE THING. IT IS A UNIQUE LOT BECAUSE IT IS IN BETWEEN TWO EXISTING IS -- SUBDIVISIONS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO THROUGH EITHER ASHEN OR OURSELVES AT THAT SAME TIME. THAT IS A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE NOW THE CITY HAS JUST REPAVED OUR ROADS BECAUSE IT IS BEEN APPROVED THAT IT WAS FINISHED AND EVERYTHING, SAME THING FOR ASHEN, TOO. THE CONCERN IS, NUMBER ONE, HELPING BUILDER, I KNOW THAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HANDLE THE CONSTRUCTION ROAD THAT WILL BE AN INDEPENDENT ROAD GOING INTO THAT SUBDIVISION. THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE OUR LOT IS IN THE AREA OF 501, WHICH HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AS A PUBLIC AREA OR A GREEN SPACE AREA. THE ENGINEERS REPORT OUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT 501. THEY WERE ASKING ME DEVELOPER TO ANSWER AND CONFIRM , BASICALLY, IF THAT WILL BE GREEN SPACE OR WHAT WILL BE BUILT INTO THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL, MY WIFE AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY. THE CITY HAS BEEN GREAT, BUT IT FLOODS IN THE HUNDRED YEAR PLANE. IT IS UNDERSTOOD, THE LOTS ARE RAISED UP AT THAT TIME. BUT THE CONCERN IS, WHEN THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD GOES IN, SAME THING. SEDIMENT CONTROL.

WHAT WILL DETECT THAT. NUMBER ONE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF FLOODING BEHIND THOSE PROPERTIES, RIGHT THERE. SOME MINOR FLOODING TAKES PLACE THERE, TOO. AND THEN, IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED. I THINK THE OTHER BIG ISSUE IS WHICH A CHILEAN WHO IS GOING TO BE IN CONTROL AT THAT POINT. I THINK THAT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SETTLE THESE ISSUES BEFORE THIS GOES ANY FURTHER. TO DELAY THE DECISION UNTIL THESE CAN BE ANSWERED. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD

EVENING. >> VICTOR DAVIS, WE ARE ON 4164 GRASSY AWAY AND WE BUTT UP AGAINST THAT PROPERTY. MY GREATEST CONCERN IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A TROPIC AND SPEEDING PROBLEM ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN GREAT ABOUT MONITORING IT. A FEW MONTHS AGO, THEY FINALLY PUT IN A SPEED HUMP DOWN THERE. THEY JUST TOOK AWAY A SPEED MONITOR THAT TELLS YOU HOW FAST YOU WERE GOING . THEY HAD THAT FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND THEY JUST REMOVED YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE AND I'M SURE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO FIND IT HAS NOT SLOWED THE SPEEDING. I PERSONALLY WITNESSED PEOPLE SETTING THAT THING OFF THE LIGHTS GOING OFF ON IT. IT IS UNBELIEVABLE. SO, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS CREATING A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL MAKE A

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>> MY NAME IS DON RON I LIVE AT 2216 AND SUNDAY DRIVE. MY HUSBAND SPOKE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION, ALSO, IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ESTABLISHED ON THAT PROPERTY IS OVER 12, 14 YEARS OLD. IF THE BUILDERS INTENDING TO USE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, ARE THEY GOING TO BE CHECKING IT TO ESTABLISH IN THE CURRENT WORKING ORDER. WILL THEY BE PUTTING IN NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. IT IS CLEARLY JUST SITTING THERE IN THE ELEMENTS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. THAT IS ALSO A CONCERN ONCE THEY DO THE ADDITION.

>> CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC WHEN USING INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> THE DRAINAGE PIPES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED , THEY HAD RUN PIPING AND UTILITY PIPING BUT THEY NEVER ESTABLISHED THE ROADWAYS. I BELIEVE THEY , THE ORIGINAL BUILDER, WENT UNDER. AND THAT IT WAS SOLD OFF TO MULTIPLE BUILDERS. SO, IF THEY INTEND TO USE THAT ORIGINAL INFRASTRUCTURE, WE JUST HAVE TO REPLACE THE LIGHTS IN THE SUBDIVISION. EIGHT LIGHTS ALONG THE MAIN ENTRANCE. IT WAS BECAUSE THAT ORIGINAL BUILDER DID NOT PUT THEM INTO THE CODE THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY. SO, IT IS OUR CONCERN THAT THOSE UTILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY, AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? OKAY.

SEEING THEN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT?

>> WE NEED TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS JUST ASKED AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO NEED THE APPLICANT

UP FRONT, PLEASE. >> HELLO. BRANDON BELT. I TOOK A FEW NOTES WHENEVER ONE IS MAKING COMMENTS. THE DEVELOPER, SHOULD DEAL WITH. JOIN PRESIDENT AND THEY CAN DISCUSS THE DETAILS OF ARE THEY STARTING THEIR OWN AGE AWAY. I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. THE OPEN SPACE WAS PUT IN AS A BUFFER TO THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISION. NO PLANS ARE INTENDED FOR THAT I AM AWARE OF AT THIS TIME. IT IS JUST OPEN SPACE AND BUFFER. THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CITY ENGINEERING DISCUSSED THAT ALREADY. SOME OF YOUR INSPECTORS HAVE ALREADY BEEN OUT AND HAVE GIVEN THE OKAY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL. WERE THERE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE ANSWERED?

>> FLOODING IN THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES.

>> SURE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE THE CITY RIGHT AWAY.

THERE IS NO ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN THAT. THE FLOODING, NOT ONLY -- WE HAVE USED THE PROPOSED MAP THAT IS NOT EVEN ALLOWABLE YET AND TO WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE WHEN

THE NEXT STUDY IS. >> YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE THE RIGHT AWAY IS. WHICH MEANS ARLINGTON COURT IN

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>> THAT WOULD BE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WETLAND IMPACT.

>> ANOTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT BLASTING.

>> WORDS THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE NOT GETTING INTO THE ROCK.

>> OTHER CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT?

>> YES. >> OTHER NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL QUESTION MARK

>> I'M NOT SURE IF THERE ARE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS BUT THEY DO HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FROM OUR DEPARTMENT THAT INCLUDES SIZABLE INFORMATION. YOU STATED YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HASN'T CONVEYED TO YOU ABOUT WHETHER IT IS A SEPARATE AGE AWAY OR GOING TO THE MERGED WITH THEIR

AGE AWAY. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION BUT I AM HAPPY TO GET THE PERSON'S NUMBER TO CALL AND THEY CAN HASH IT OUT.

>> I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

>> I AM NOT THIS IS ON THE APPLICANT SO MUCH THE QUESTION ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE BALD EAGLE, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF? SINCE THERE ARE FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, HOW DO WE KEEP THAT WITHIN THE

GUIDELINES? >> YEAH, SO, PRETTY MUCH, I HOPE THE STATEMENT THAT IS REFERENCED, THAT IS NOT THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT TO THE FEDERAL AGENCIES. THE PERSON WHO SPOKE FIRST. BUT MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE REPORTING THIS AND THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS. SO, TO ENFORCE THE DEVELOPER TO ENSURE TO THAT. THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD ALREADY INTERNALLY ABOUT THIS WITH THE APPLICANT. THEY ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY ARE FORMULATING A PLAN TO ADDRESS IT. THAT IS ON THE FEDERAL AGENCIES TO ENFORCE AND

INSPECT. >> DO HAVE INFORMATION TO THE

PUBLIC ON THAT? >> IN THE GREEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE, THAT IS PAR FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND THAT THE WAY IT WILL BE LEFT OR ARE WE STILL INITIATING THAT?

>> YEAH. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE STILL WORKING ON AS YOU NEED TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO HANDLE IT.

WHAT WAS INITIALLY DESCRIBED IN PD, IT WAS THE EVOLUTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE JUST DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO WORK GOING FORWARD. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE

ADDRESSED BY THE FINAL PLAT. >> WAS THERE A TRAFFIC SETUP

REQUIRED FOR THIS? >> NOT FOR THIS PHASE.

>> UP THIS PHASE, BUT OVERALL.

>> I THINK IT WAS THE INITIAL PDD.

>> INITIALLY, DID IT CONNECT TO ARLINGTON?

>> IT DID. >> SORRY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,

COMMISSIONERS? >> I MOVED TO APPROVE FINAL

PLAT, 2024, NUMBER 7. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND GET ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

ROCK HOUSE FARMS? >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> IF YOU WILL PAUSE WHILE EVERYONE CAN FILE OUT.

>> I WILL WAIT UNTIL EVERYBODY WALKS OUT.

>> PUT IN ORDER. WAS THAT MOTION FOR OAK CREEK OR WAS IT

FOR HERITAGE RIDGE. >> HERITAGE RIDGE. THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO. IF WE CAN TAKE THAT AGAIN.

>> I MEANT THE ONE BEFORE. I APOLOGIZE. I RETRACT MY PREVIOUS MOTION AND I AMEND MY MOTION TO REFLECT THE CASE WE

WERE REVIEWING AT THE TIME. >> WHICH IS?

>> 013. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. I WILL

[4. Preliminary Plat - Rockhouse Farms Subdivision- PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-016]

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OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT , Y'ALL.

>> YES , MISS ROBINSON. >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR ROCK HOUSE FARMS. LOCATED OFF OF BRIDAL WOULD DRIVE, WEST OF SHELTON MILL ROAD AND EAST OF CREEKWOOD SUBDIVISION. THE PREVIOUS PLAT WAS BEFORE YOU ON LAST JULY. FOR 12 LOTS, THAT IS THE EXHIBIT THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. THAT WAS FOR 12 LOTS. THIS NEW, REVISED PLAT IS FOR 16 AND THESE THREE LOTS HAVE BEEN DIVIDED IN TO TWO. SO COME MAKE THREE ADDITIONAL LOT AND THEN THESE LOTS ARE ALSO BEING DIVIDED TO WHERE IT IS 16 LOTS NOW. IT IS ZONED AS RURAL, EXCEPT FOR LOT 11, WHICH IS STILL IN UNINCORPORATED LEE COUNTY. THAT IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS IN THE CITY LIMITS. IT WAS ANNEXED LAST AUGUST. IT WAS BEFORE LAST JULY AND WENT TO CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST. THE PROPERTY IS ACCESSED FROM BRIDAL WOULD DRIVE WHICH IS CURRENTLY AN ACCESS EASEMENT BUT ON THE MAJOR STREET PLAN AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. SO, THE STREET OR THE EASEMENT WILL HAVE TO BE IMPROVED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. ALL OF THE LOTS WILL ACCESS OFF OF THAT NEW DRIVE BY AN INTERNAL, NEW EXCESS DRIVE. THAT WILL LEAD TO THE LOTS. I THINK INITIALLY SOME THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE TWO ACCESS POINTS TO THE LOTS. BUT ALL OF THE LOTS WILL ACCESS THIS DRIVE, I THINK. EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT IS FURTHEST WEST.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ON THE PLAT. SOME OF THE ONES TO NOTE ARE THE GREENWAY THAT IS PRESENT ALONG THE CREEK.

THAT CROSSES THROUGH LOTS SIX, EIGHT, 10, 11. A GREENWAY EASEMENT IS REQUIRED TO BE PLACED ON TOP OF THAT GREENWAY AND ACCESS FOR PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, ALSO NEEDS TO LEAD TO THE GREENWAY. THE SECOND MOST NOTABLE COMMENT OF PLANNING IS TO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE NEW ACCESS EASEMENT JUST TO COVER DRIVES THAT WILL CROSS OVER OTHER PEOPLE'S LOTS. ENGINEERING COMMENTS, AS I MENTIONED, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRIDAL WOULD DRIVE AND IMPROVEMENTS TO SHELTON MILL THAT ARE REQUIRED WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT AND WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT HAS A COUPLE OF COMMENTS REGARDING WATER QUALITY AND FIRE PROTECTION AND THE POSSIBILITY OF NEEDING TO EXPAND THE WATER SYSTEM OUT THERE. LEE COUNTY HAS ONE COMMENT REGARDING THE LOT THAT IS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS. LOT 11. THAT IS AS IT IS DRAWN NOW, IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS SO, THEY HAVE OFFERED TWO OPTIONS TO REMEDY THAT, ONE IS TO CONSOLIDATE THAT LOT WITH THE TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS IN NEIGHBORING CREEKWOOD THAT ARE OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER THAT WAY YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO AND THEN IT IS ONE LOT . OR PROVIDE A 30 FOOT STEM FROM THIS LOT DOWN TO BRIDAL WOULD DRIVE. I THINK THAT ABOUT COVERS IT. RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF COMMENTS

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. >> WHAT IS THE STAFF OPINION REGARDING THE COUNTY REQUEST? OR SUGGESTION?

>> EITHER WAY, IT DOES NOT MATTER TO US. ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS HAS TO TAKE PLACE. I THINK THE EASIEST ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LOT CONSOLIDATION WITH THE TWO

EXISTING LOTS. >> SINCE JURISDICTION, ON THAT

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THAT LOT, AS WELL? >> YES. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY AT THIS TIME? THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ROCK HOUSE FARMS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

>> GOOD EVENING. I AM MICHAEL GOODWIN, I LIVE AT 1766 GOODWIN TRAIL WHICH IS LEFT OF ME. I AM A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. I RISE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE CRITICAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BRIDAL WOULD IS NOTABLY SUBSTANDARD AND VERY DANGEROUS. FINALLY, IT IS AVAILABLE ALONG WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO UPGRADE THE CITY STREET WHICH WILL BE MUCH SAFER FOR EVERYBODY THAT TRAVELS ALONG THAT PATH. SO, I DON'T THINK THE INCREASE IS ANY SUBSTANTIAL CONSEQUENCE TO BE A CITY STREET, FINALLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU. PLEASE SIGN IN. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS?

>> I WANT TO CONFIRM SOMETHING . LOT 11 IS ENTIRELY OUT OF THE CITY . IT IS NOT PARTIALLY AND IMPARTIALLY OUT? AND WHAT IT IS

ALL OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. >> THESE FRIEND ARE IN

COMPLIANCE WITH OUR LOT? >> YES.

>> YESTERDAY IT IS, CURRENTLY. AS IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS NOT LOT. THERE ARE A LOT OF STIPULATIONS. SO, KUDOS.

>> WE ARE WORKING ON , IN THE FUTURE, TO KEEP SOMETHING LIKE

THIS. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF. I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE BY THE CITY IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT FOR THIS AREA. A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY AND THAT SORT OF THING. I RECOGNIZE THAT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. NOW WE SEE A NEW SUBDIVISION, AFTER ALL THIS OTHER WORK DONE, EXACERBATING THE PROBLEM WITH THAT SORT OF THING. WE NEED TO, IN THE FUTURE, ON TOP OF THAT, AS I RECALL. I WILL NEED TO CONFIRM THIS. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY UNDONE COMPLETED BEFORE WE GET TO THIS POINT. 43 DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE UP IN THE AIR. THIS ISN'T REALLY A WAY TO DO THIS SORT OF WORK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE TO REMEDY THE FLAG LOT ESPECIALLY WITH THESE AGREEMENTS, THE APPLICANTS WOULD BE REALLY WELCOME IN THIS SORT OF SITUATION.

>> WE DO NEED A VOTE MOTION OTHERWISE.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE 2024-016. WITH ALL COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.

[5. Preliminary Plat - Links Crossing Phase 5 - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-014]

>> LINKS CROSSING. FOR THIS ITEM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING PLAT APPROVAL. PRELITERATE PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 16 LOT CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE LINKS CROSSING SUBDIVISION WEST OF MILLCREEK

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>> COMMENTS? >> NO MAJOR COMMENTS OR NOTES .

>> THANK YOU. >> IS THE APPLICANT HERE.

>> THE STATES ARE PROBLEM -- REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING TO ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? I MOVED TO APPROVE

2024 E- 014. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY

[6. Preliminary Plat - Diane & Edwin Morgan Replat of Parcel 3,4, & 5 - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-017]

>> FOR THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PLOT APPROVAL FOR THE SUBDIVISION. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN UNINCORPORATED LEE COUNTY. I DETERMINED IT IS A GROUP OF

FOUR. >> THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE SUBDIVISION BUT COUNTY REQUESTED AN EXISTING EASEMENT SHOWN HERE, BE DEDICATED AS A RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR LEE COUNTY TO GIVE PROPER FRONTAGE FOR THE NEW LOT AND PARCEL 340. WHILE PARCEL 345 WILL TAKE ACCESS AND FRONTAGE ALONG THE ROAD 646. THIS WAS UPGRADED TO REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THAT JURISDICTION AND APPROVAL FOR RIGHT AWAY IS. STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS WITH THIS REQUEST AND THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> THANK YOU. >> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN THAT NOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS SEEING NO ONE COULD WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONERS? >> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CASE

101407 >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

[7. Final Plat - Diane & Edwin Morgan Replat of Parcel 3,4, & 5 FP-2024-006]

>> THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE SAME PROPERTY. WE THOUGHT THAT IT DID NOT WARRANT HAPPENING IN SEVERAL MEETINGS.

AGAIN, IT IS THERE FOR APPROVAL.

>> IT DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS?

>> I MOVE . >> A SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THANK

[8. Preliminary Plat - Asbury Hills Redivision of Lot 3- PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-019]

YOU. WELCOME BACK. >> GETTING MY STEPS IN. THIS REQUEST IS A REVISED PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 45 LOT PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION OF TOWNHOMES, AS WELL AS INCLUDED REQUEST FOR THE WAIVER OFF OF A PRIVATE STREET. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED OFF SHELTON MILL ROAD WITH EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE IN THE CONFIDENCE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THIS IS A REVISED REQUEST FROM THE PP 2024-02 THAT WAS APPROVED AT

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STAFF COMMENTS ARE SIMPLY NOTATIONAL. IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU.

>> DOES ANYONE WANT TO DISCUSS THE WAIVER?

>> YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THE WAIVER WAS AGAIN APPROVED AT THE FEBRUARY, 2024 MEETING. IT HAS COME BACK AROUND BECAUSE THERE IS ADDITIONAL LOTS BEING CREATED WITH THIS REVISED PLAN. SO, 20 LOTS OFF OF A PRIVATE STREET.

>> THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN THAT NOW.

SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> FOR THE RECORD , I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE REASONING FOR THE WAIVER REQUEST WHICH WAS GRANTED BEFORE ON THE SAME PROPERTY. SINCE IT IS ASKED AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES, I DID MANAGE TO BE MADE PUBLIC RECORD, AS WELL. HE IS GOING TO EXPLAIN IT? OKAY.

>> THE WAIVER WAS SOMETHING WE CAME TO ORIGINALLY IN OUR PRENUP MEETING A WHILE BACK TALKING WITH ALLISON. THE CITY HAD A PREFERENCE. WE ALSO HAVE A PRIVATE STREET INSTEAD OF A PUBLICLY MAINTAINED STREETS WITH STREAMS AND THINGS ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. THEY WOULD PREFER THAT WE DO THAT.

IN ORDER TO DIVIDE THE PRIVATE RIGHT AWAY, THERE IS A WAIVER.

>> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANT TO DO THE WAIVER

SEPARATE? >> YES.

>> HOW WE NEED TO GO IS THAT YOU NEED TO APPROVE THE WAIVER . IT CANNOT BE APPROVED WITHOUT THE WAIVER.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS DONE. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, OR

MOTIONS? >> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR WAIVER TO SUBDIVIDE OFF OF PRIVATE STREET WITH THE

SUBDIVISION REVISION . >> SECOND PATRON WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE WAIVER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. NOW, FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT REVISION.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE 2024 019 .

>> SECOND. >> EMOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. UPTOWN.

[9. Preliminary Plat - Uptown 1 - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-020 ]

>> YES. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 30 LOT TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A WAIVER TO ALLOW A PUBLIC DRIVE TO CONSTITUTE FRONTAGE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 350 BRAGG AVENUE IN D.C. RDW ZONING DISTRICT. THE ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 2018 AND REZONE THESE PROPERTIES ALONG FROM RDD TO

SEE RDW. >> TOWNHOUSES ARE PERMITTED USE

IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. >> THE PLOT SHOWS 30 TOWNHOUSE

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THE APPLICANT IS WORKING OUT IF IT WILL BE PLATTED THAT WAY OR IF THAT ROADWAY WILL BE IN AN EASEMENT.

>> IT IS NOT, BUT YOU CAN ADD IT .

>> THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD TAKE PLACE IN PHASE TWO OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND WOULD ADD ABOUT FOUR TO SIX THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. THE TOWNHOUSE LOTS, THERE ARE 20 TO 4 BEDROOM AND 85 BEDROOM. THESE HERE ARE FIVE BEDROOM, AS WELL AS THESE HERE ALONG BRAGG AVENUE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THAT IN FAVOR. WITH COMMENTS.

>> YES. >> JUSTICE IS GOING TO PRESENT

SOME ADDITIONAL FIGHTS. >> PRESSING BY THE PLAT, SOME DEVELOPERS ARE VERY GENEROUS WITH OPEN SPACE. THE OPEN SPACE LOT IS A CITY. -- CITY EASEMENT. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, THIS IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE SITE. WE WANT TO INCLUDE PRESENTATION THAT WAS SHARED WITH STAFF OR YOU CAN SEE THE PLAN OF THE INDIVIDUAL. KEEP CLICKING THROUGH, A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, SO, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IF YOU WANT TO STOP HERE, IT IS FINE. THE IDEA FROM THE STAFF SIDE IS THAT THIS WAS REZONED WITH INTENTION FOR REDEVELOPMENT. THIS DOES MEET THAT ON AGENCY STANDPOINT.

RIGHT NOW, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE EASEMENT. THIS IS A CONSTRICTED SITE. WE HAD THE INITIAL MEETING WHERE WE IDENTIFIED A LOT OF ISSUES, WHERE WE ADDRESSED A LOT OF ISSUES AND THEY DID RECONFIGURE THE SITE DESIGN TO ECONOMY DIVIDE THIS. THE REASON THAT THEY HAD CONCERNED AT THE SET WAS THE OUTBACK. IT IS COMPLEX ABILITY ON THE SETBACKS. THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT IS WELL, INSTEAD OF GOING EASY ON THIS. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING WITH THE IDEA OF PRIVATE STREETS. HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE THIS? CAN WE USE IT TO GIVE SOME RELIEF FROM THE SETBACKS? THAT WAS THE IDEA ORIGINALLY AROUND UTILIZING THE PRIVATE STREETS IN THIS SCENARIO. SO, OVER TIME IN WORKING WITH THIS PROJECT, A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A LOT OF RECORD FOR THE PRIVATE STREET LIKE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, OR DO WE WANT BE PRIVATE STREET TO BE AN EASEMENT? WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK, AS WE ARE WORKING THROUGH IT, I THINK WE ARE LEANING TOWARDS GOING AWAY FROM IT. ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THAT, IF THERE IS AN EXISTING LOT RECORD THAT IT CAN BE DONATED TO THE CITY AS A PUBLIC ROAD, WHICH THE CITY DOES NOT WANT. IF IT IS BILLED AS A PRIVATE STREET, IT CAN STAY AS A PRIVATE STREET IN PERPETUITY, LONG AFTER ALL OF US ARE NO LONGER WORKING HERE. SO, WITH THAT, I THINK WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE CAN HAVE THE PRIVATE STREET AS ACCESS EASEMENTS, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE FOR REMOTE LONGEVITY STANDPOINT AND ALSO FROM THE FLEXIBLY STANDPOINT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE INTO THE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS WE WILL HAVE ON MONDAY AND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HAD EXTENDED SHERIDAN'S AND EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOR THIS SITE, I KNOW IT IS PROBABLY REALLY HARD TO LOOK AT STREET VIEW OF FUTURE LOTS AND GET A FEELING OF WHY STAFF MAY SUPPORT THIS. LIKE I SAID, THE DEVELOPER INCLUDED THE VISUALS TO SHOW WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR HER BY ADDING THE COMMERCIAL FROM THE TOWNHOMES AND ADDING THE DENSITY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AND BEING THE FIRST ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, ON THIS SECTION OF ROAD WITH DEVELOPMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GET ALSO WAS THE STREETSCAPE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, AS WELL. A LOT OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT, NORMALLY WE HANDLE THESE THINGS IN THE RT WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF GRANULE THINGS THAT WE WERE THERE ON THE FINAL PLAT AND HAVE ENGINEER PLANS. IN THIS SCENARIO, WE HAVE BEEN FACED WITH TRYING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THOSE AT THE OUT THAT. NORMALLY WE WOULD HANDLE THOSE IN THE RT. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY. ALSO CLARIFY ON THE LADDER RECORD VERSE THE ACCESS EASEMENTS AND WHERE THE CITY STANDS. WE THINK OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE ACCESS

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WANTED TO HAVE A QUESTION. -- >> THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED ON THE PRIVATE STREETS. WILL THIS LOOK LIKE THE SAME ANIMAL AS ALL THE OTHERS SINCE THEY ARE NOT DONE

YET? >> YES. MY MICROPHONE GOT LOUDER. THE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WAS THE AERIAL ACCESS IN THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. SO, THE WIDTH OF THE STREET WOULD BE 20 FEET WIDE TO ACCOMMODATE THE DRIVEWAY PARKING IN THE PARKING NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE VETERANS THAT THIS PROJECT HAS. SO, THIS WILL LOOK LIKE A SUBDIVISION. IT JUST WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THAT AS IT IS RECORDED. THAT IS ANOTHER ONE OF THINGS FROM STAFF OPINION WHERE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WAS GOING ABOUT HOW DO WE RECORD THIS? IS THERE ANY WAY TO RECORD THIS PROPERLY? WHAT WOULD APPLY VERSUS THE END PRODUCT? THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THE END PRODUCT SIDE. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN GET ANSWERS TO. FOR ME, THE MAIN HURDLE WAS LOOKING AT HOW DO WE REPORT THIS. IT WILL LOOK LIKE A REGULAR SUBDIVISION JUST TOWNHOMES.

>> THE DISCUSSION ON THE SETBACKS. THE CONCESSION ON THAT. TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

>> YES. NOT NECESSARILY CONCESSION, BUT MUCH MORE, THE FLEXIBILITY TO GET THESE THINGS. WHEN WE REZONE A PROPERTY TO GET A CERTAIN KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE ODD TO THEN HAMSTRING THEM AND NOT PROVIDE RELIEF WHERE WE CAN. THE PRIVATE STREETS AREN'T OFFERED AS A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD. THERE IS AN OPTION HERE. WHEN WE INITIALLY THOUGHT OF ONE OR TWO FEET HERE. DUE TO THE EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPER READY, A LOT OF RECORD WOULD INCREASE THE WIDTH AND PUT THIS IN AREA --

>> INCREASING THE DENSITY . >> IN SOME PLACES, YEAH. IF YOU CAN GO BACK. LET'S SAY THAT THEY TAKE THOSE, THEY GET RID OF THE COMMERCIAL LOT AND PUT FIVE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN THE CITY LOSES COMMERCIAL SPACE WHICH IS WHAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO. THERE I A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THIS FROM THE EASEMENT GOING THROUGH THIS TO THE REDEVELOPMENT. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THINGS THAT WE COULD GET, THINGS THAT WE COULD WORK WITH. THEY ARE OFFERED AS

A POSSIBILITY FOR FLEXIBILITY. >> THE PUBLIC SPACE .

>> ARE THESE SIMPLE UNITS? >> YES.

>> IT JUST KIND OF HAPPENED IN THE LAST -- WE ARE BOUND BY LAW AND ALL OF THIS STUFF TO APPROVE IF IT MEETS. THIS DOES NOT MEET THE WAIVER. THE LAST ONE DID NOT MEET THE WAIVER. WE ARE APPROACHING THESE THINGS WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES, JUST A THOUGHT. GENERALLY BROUGHT THOSE UP BEFORE. PRIVATE DRAFT.

>> ONE OF OUR MAIN RESPONSIBILITIES IS LOOKING AFTER PRIVATE INTEREST. WITH PRIVATE INTEREST, IT IS MET WITH FLEXIBILITY EVEN THOUGH WE COULD BE BUSY. IS IT WHERE WE

GRANT THAT WAIVER? >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> CAN PEOPLE OF THE -- I'M SORRY. WE ARE DEBATING ALREADY.

>> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING . IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

HEARING AND MOVE FORWARD. >> THE MOTIONS. I HAVE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. HOW MANY UNITS CAN YOU FIT IN THE EASEMENT AREA? IF IT WAS NOT THERE?

>> PLEASE. >> I HAD TO ASK. YOU WERE

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>> IF YOU DO NOT HAVE IT THERE, CAN YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS PRESENTED WITHOUT SUBDIVIDING?

>> I BELIEVE SO, YES. >> THAT WAIVER IS FOR THE

BENEFIT OF THE CITY , RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH ALL OF THAT. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> DINKY. >> QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE WAIVER FOR 2024-0 20. WHEN MY DEMOTION AND THE SECOND ON THE WAIVER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT --

>> MOVED TO APPROVE 2020 4020.

>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR ? ANY

[10. Preliminary Plat - Hines Hall Redivision of Lot 1 - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-021]

>> APPLICANT? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE OR AFTER PUBLIC

HEARING? >> THIS IS REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING COULD BE WILL OPEN THAT NOW. IT IS HEINZ HALL. SEEING NO ONE COULD WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS?

>> I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. WE WILL OPEN THAT BACKUP YOUR

CAN YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? >> HELLO. MY NAME IS WALTER MONEY. MY EYES AREN'T SO GOOD. I CANNOT READ THAT.

>> IT IS TOUGH. THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT ONE. THAT IS NOT THE LOT

SUBDIVISION. THAT IS THE ONE. >> STATE YOUR ADDRESS, SIR?

>> 906 STATE ROAD IN AUBURN . 9950. I HAVE THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. IT IS STILL TINY. IT IS TINY. WHEN I DID THE SURVEY OTHER THEY WERE DOING A GOOD JOB THAT I WORKED IN SURVEY FOR 11 YEARS. I CAME TO MY NORTHWEST PROPERTY ORDER, WHICH THEY FOUND HER THEY HAD TO FIND THE METAL DETECTOR AND THE NEIGHBORS HAD DRIVEN OVER IT.

THE TOP BROKEN OFF PART NEXT TO THE FENCE WHERE THEY BEGAN TO

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SECOND, WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS, IS THIS GOING TO BECOME WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS? I DON'T SEE HOW THAT -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND

-- >> THIS IS JUST WITHIN OUR PLANNING JURISDICTION. WE ARE NOT ASKED TO ANNEX OR ANYTHING

AT THIS POINT. >> JUST MY OTHER QUESTION. WHAT IS THAT PEN? WHEN YOU FIND A PEN IN THE FIELD, USE IT. THANK

YOU. >> DINKY. -- I WILL TRY TO PUT YOU IN TOUCH. ANYONE ELSE? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AGAIN. APPLICANT, CAN YOU HELP US WITH THE SURVEY SITUATION? BLAKE RICE, BARRETT SIMPSON ENGINEERING. NO I CANNOT.

>> YOUR SHIRT SAYS THAT YOU CAN.

>> I WILL NEED TO GET MY STAFF. EACH PIN THAT IS LOCATED. I WILL HAVE TO GET WITH ALL OF THESE SURVEYS IN MY OFFICE AND FIND OUT WHAT WENT ON. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THE PLOT IS NOT TO BE RECORDED TONIGHT. THE PLAN IS TO HOPEFULLY BE APPROVED. I WILL CHECK INTO THIS AND SEE, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS FOR A PEN CAN BE DAMAGED. A PEN SAID BY A PREVIOUS SURVEYOR THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL LINE AND DOES NOT FOLLOW EVIDENCE OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERSHIP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. I WILL

HAVE TO CHECK IN WITH STAFF. >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> I MOVED TO APPROVE 20 NEW BRIGHTON 008 -- I MOVE TO APPROVE 200 2108.

>> NUMBER 10. >> I WILL CORRECT THAT MOTION

TO 2024-0 21. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

[11. Final Plat - Hines Hall Redivision of Lot 1 FP-2024-008]

THANK YOU. >> THIS NEXT REQUEST IS JUST FOR THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE EIGHT LOT SUBDIVISION THAT

YOU DISCOVERED ON 188. >> MOVED TO APPROVE 008 FINAL

PLAT. >> SECOND IN MY DEMOTION AND A

[12. Preliminary Plat - Mimms Trail 14TH Addition - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-022]

>> MY NEXT CASE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 43 LOT PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING 39 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS, TWO OPEN SPACE LOTS, ONE OUT LOT. IT WILL BE THE TRAIL, 14TH EDITION LOCATED EAST OF THE TRAIL ROAD. THE PLOT HAS A DENSITY OF THREE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITHIN THE LIMITS FOR PDD WITH THE UNDERLINE. THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS 20% FOR THIS

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FIVE, THAT WAS THE NAME OF THE STREET.

>> RECOMMENDED CONNECTION. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND REQUIRED A PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MEMS TRAIL. EDDIE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR NOT? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SO SORRY. I CANNOT SEE. I'M SO

SORRY. >> I APOLOGIZE. FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THIS ON MIMS TRAIL ROAD, COUNTY ROAD 10, OR IS THIS MIMS TRAIL SUBDIVISION WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS TOTALLY

SEPARATE? >> SUBDIVISION. SO, IT IS NOT MIMS TRAIL ROAD. GOT IT. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> CAN WE GET YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS? >> I FIND IT ALREADY.

>> 3500 SANFORD ROAD. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NO ONE ELSE. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OKAY. DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CONNECTING

THE TWO? >> I AM ANDY WITH THE FORESIGHT GROUP. THERE MAY BE SOME WAYS TO DO IT. WE HAVE HAD A FEW MEETINGS WITH THE CITY ABOUT THIS AREA THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK INTO. IT WOULD BE THE VERY BACK END OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A HUGE CONCERN WITH A LARGE VOLUME OF PEOPLE HAVING TO GO DOWN THERE AND TURN AROUND. WE THAT CUL-DE-SACS WERE APPROPRIATE.

>> OKAY. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, QUESTIONNAIRES, FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE SUBDIVISION 14. SUBJECT TWO.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. SO, THE APPLICANT

[13. Preliminary Plat - Woodward Oaks Phase 7 - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-023]

RIGHT ON HERE. >> LET ME GO BACK.

>> A GO. PHASE SEVEN, THAT IS WHERE THE 80 LOT PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION IS THE ONLY COMMENT THAT WE GOT AS A NOTE, NOT BE COMMENT SECTION BUT THE COMMUNICATION WE GOT FROM CITIZENS WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN AROUND THE STATUS OF THE TRAILS, ACCESS TO THE TRAILS GOING AWAY OR BEING MAINTAINED. I TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GOING ON IS THE GROWING PAINS OF CONSTRUCTION AT THE MOMENT. THEY NEED TO GET PLACES. HEAVY MACHINERY NEEDS TO GET PLACES. NOW, SOME OF THE TRAILS ARE INACCESSIBLE. THEIR IDEA ABOUT MAPPING THE TRAILS AND PUTTING THEIR PERMANENT IDENTIFIERS ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE WILL TAKE PLACE AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS PERMANENTLY IN PLACE. THAT IS ONCE THEY FINISH PHASE SEVEN AND EVERYTHING THAT ABUTS THE

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QUESTIONS. >> CAN ASK A QUESTION? SO, WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE FOR FINISHING THESE TRAILS FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY LIVING IN THIS AREA? THEY WERE INDUCED TO BUY THERE BECAUSE OF THAT. WHEN WILL THE TRAILS BE AVAILABLE TO

THEM? >> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER. THEY HAD A TIMELINE. DO YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW OR AFTER PUBLIC HEARING? LET'S WAIT FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW FOR YOU TO SPEAK ON

WOODWARD OAKS. >> YOU MAY HAVE TO EXTEND THAT

CLOCK. >> PHASE SEVEN, WE DO FREQUENT BE TRAILS. I'M SORRY. NAME ADDRESS.

>> 806 CLEAR SPRINGFIELD DRIVE. WE DO FREQUENT THOSE TRAILS QUITE OFTEN. SO IT NOT HAVING ACCESS, IT IS KIND OF A PAIN. I APPRECIATE YOU, MR. WARREN, SPEAKING TO THAT. PHASE SEVEN, THAT IS PHASE 4 POINT AS QUICKLY AS IT MOVES, IT IS GOING TO BE A WILD. I KNOW IT IS FRUSTRATING, WE ARE IN CONNECTICUT WITH THEM. BUT, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF WE ARE BASING THEIR ACTION OR ANY FUTURE ACTION OFF OUR CURRENT EXPERIENCE, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ACTION. THERE ARE VOLUNTEERS THAT BUILT THOSE TRAILS THAT WERE NOT THE DEVELOPER. GPS COORDINATES WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATION THAT WE ARE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THIS. HELP US MAP THIS THING OUT I JUST WANT TO SAY AND IN TELEVISION -- INTELLIGENT DEVELOPER. ON THE COMMENTS FOR THE PAPERWORK THAT WE HAVE HERE, 472 OPEN SPACE. PLEASE LABEL IT AS SUCH. WE WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THAT COMMENT AND COMMENT NUMBER FOUR.

ADDITIONALLY, I AM NOT AN EXPERT AT READING THESE DRAWINGS. BUT WHEN I READ SOME OF THE EASEMENT MEASUREMENTS ON HERE, IT SAYS THAT AN EASEMENT WILL BE PROVIDED BETWEEN 468 AND 440 SAYS 10 AXIS COMMENT NUMBER FIVE STATES THAT IF A STRUCTURE IS TO BE BUILT IN THAT AREA, YOU GOT TO BE A 12 FOOT WIDE GATE, A 12 FOOT WIDE GATE IN A 12 POINT SPACE. I MAY HAVE MISCONSTRUED THAT. IT IS NOT OBVIOUS THAT THERE IS ACCESS. THAT WOULD BE USED FOR TRAIL ACCESS BETWEEN 471. COLOR

ME CONFUSED. >> THERE IS NO NOTIFICATION ON THE DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS CLEARING LAND FOR PHASE SEVEN.

IF SOMEONE WERE TO GET INJURED, THAT WOULD BE A TRAGEDY. ALSO, THE DWELLING UNITS SERVE A CALCULATION. ON TABLE FOR TWO.

DOES THAT INCLUDE AREAS LIKE 470 AND 471 OR IF I JUST AREAS THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED UPON THE DWELLING?

>> 470 IN 471 SHOULD BE OPEN. >> THE OVERALL DENSITY ,

>> JUST ADMINISTRATIVE THING. I AM NOT IN ADJOINING PRISON TO THIS PARTICULAR PHASE. SO I DID NOT GET NOTIFICATION GOING IN ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THERE IS THE AUBURN PSD APP AND THERE IS A COMMUNITY SERVICE FEATURE

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COUNCIL MINUTES? >> THIS BEFORE THE REGULATIONS, IT DOES STOP HERE IF IT GETS APPROVED AND THEN IT GOES INTO MORE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WITH THE CITY.

>> THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING. >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SPEAK. I AM JESSE SHEALY, THE OWNER OF 1962 MIRACLE ROAD. I COME THIS AFTERNOON TO SAY THAT I AM IN SUPPORT OF YOU ALL APPROVING THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT. OUR CITY IS GROWING. YOU ARE ALL DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB AND I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND NOT HINDER PROCESS. I HAVE A CONCERN THAT I WANT TO BRING BEFORE YOU ALL. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONCE 100 HOMES BY THIS DEVELOPER THAT MIRACLE ROAD WOULD IT BE PAVED. YOU ARE ALL AWARE THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 AND WOODWARD OAKS. OUR ROAD IS STILL NOT PAVED. THIS IS UNFORTUNATE AND THIS IS UNFAIR. SO, I COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ASKING AND REQUESTING AND PLEADING THAT OUR ROAD, PAVING OUR ROAD BE ADDRESSED THEY HAVE THE FUNDING. THEY HAVE THE MACHINERY, THE EQUIPMENT. THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES ALL AROUND US, IT IS PAVED. JAMESBURG DRIVE IS PAVED. ALL AROUND US, THEY ARE PAVED ROADS. MIRACLE ROAD IS STILL A DIRT ROAD. THIS IS UNFORTUNATE AND UNFAIR. I HAVE HAD TO PUT TWO BRAND-NEW SETS OF TIRES ON MY VEHICLE THE GRAVEL ON THE ROAD HAS CHEWED MY TIRES UP TO KIBBLES AND BITS. MY STRUTS ARE GONE. MY SHOCKS ARE GONE.

EVERY TIME I HIT ONE OF THE RATS IN THE ROAD, I HAVE NO SHOCKS. WHO WANTS TO DRIVE A GRAVEL ROAD? IT IS UNAVOIDABLE.

I HAVE TO TRAVEL THE ROAD. IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND UNFAIR THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR APPROVAL OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT MIRACLE ROAD OR SUFFICIENTLY ADDRESSED. I AM NOT HERE TO CAUSE THE DEVELOPERS, NOR THE CITY ANY COMPLICATIONS. I AM AN

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BECAUSE I AM SMALL . >> I'M SORRY. THAT IS FIVE MINUTES BUT I FULLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US LATE.

>> THANK YOU AGAIN. I VALUE YOUR COMMITMENT AND WORK YOU

ALL ARE DOING. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOD BLESS YOU ALL. >> ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON WOODWARD OAKS? SEEING NO ONE TO MY WILL POST THE PUBLIC HEARING. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS?

>> I WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS AROUND DENSITY. SO, WITH PDD DENSITY, THEY ARE ON THE OUTSET. UNDERSTANDING THE TRAJECTORY OF THAT, IT HAS TO GET APPROVED WITHIN THE DENSITY OF IT. LIKE PROJECT CHANGE WORK FINANCES CHANGE. THEY WILL ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT LIKE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THAT THE HOUSING TYPE. THIS PROJECT HAS HAD SEVERAL AMENDMENTS, BUT THE CURRENT PHASE OF FAVORITE SEVEN IS IN WITH WHAT THE DENSITY HAS BEEN ASSIGNED FOR THIS PROJECT. TO YOUR POINT WITH THINGS BEING CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. I THINK IT IS PHASE FOUR AND PHASE FIVE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CONSTRUCTION GOING ON OUT THERE. ALSO, WITH THE CONTINUED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. BUT TO THE DENSITY SIDE, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE PACE OF DEVELOPMENT AND HOW FAST PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN LOTS THEY ARE WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> IT IS A PRETTY BAD POLICY.

>> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT CLARITY ON THE PROJECT, YOU CAN CALL US TOMORROW AND WE CAN TALK TO YOU. OR WE CAN TALK AFTER THIS.

>> THAT BRINGS A POINT THAT HAS TO BE THE AMENITIES ARE THE LAST THINGS INSTALLED IN THE DEVELOPERS OF THE SUBDIVISION.

THE GROUP. AS WE LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO REVISE IN THE FUTURE, CAN YOU LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY TO PUT IN SOME KIND OF PHASING IN THE AMENITIES ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION.

>> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT IMMEDIATELY I COMES TO MY MIND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SAY THEY

DON'T MAKE MONEY ON THOSE. >> YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE

PAYING THEIR HLA DUES. >> WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. I KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE PUSHED BACK.

LOOK AT THE PLAT AND YOU SEE AN AMENITY LOT. THEY SAY IS GOING TO BE A SWIMMING POOL AND THEY SAY I WILL BUY INTO THE

SUBDIVISION. >> IT IS DIFFERENT WHEN THERE ARE 1500 LOTS AND NOT 20 OR EVEN 100. ON THE SIZE OF A PROJECT. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE AMENITIES WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER. MY BIGGER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE HUNDRED HOMES. WHERE WAS THAT AND

MIRACLE ROAD. >> WHERE WAS THAT STATED QUESTION MARK WASN'T STATED? 10 BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. WE WROTE 677, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT, JUST NORTH OF WHERE MISS

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SOMETHING WE CAN CHECK ON. >> WHY WOULD THE CITY NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO PAY OF IT SOMETIME? THE STREET IS INSIDE

THE CITY LIMITS. >> JUST BECAUSE THE CITY LIMITS

AND IT IS DIRT, >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WISE

GOAL. >> IN THIS CASE, MIRACLE ROAD WOULD BE REROUTED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WOULD ONLY BE A PORTION THAT IS LEFT THAT WOULD BE DIRT.

>> BETWEEN SARAH AND 677? >> SO, WHAT ABOUT THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE UNPAVED PETE OF MIRACLE ROAD?

>> THEY WOULD STAY ON THE DIRT ROAD. YESTERDAY WE HAVE A FEW DIRT ROADS AROUND THE CITY. MOST RECENT THAT WE GET INQUIRIES IS HIGH LYNDALE AVENUE A SUBDIVISION TO

CONSIDER. >> DOES THE CITY MAINTAIN THOSE DIRT ROADS? AND WHEN WE DO. AND WHEN YOU DO.

>> THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE FIRE TRUCKS COMING DOWN THAT

ROAD? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> FIRETRUCKS CAN COME DOWN THAT ROAD. AND WHAT HAVE YOU

RUN A FIRE TRUCK, RICK? >> IT IS CLOSED. THEY ARE

COMING OFF FARBER ROAD. >> RIGHT. IT DOES NOT CONNECT RIGHT NOW. IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

>> MY OTHER QUESTION IS , THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A PROBLEM.

WE ARE ON PHASE FOUR UNDER ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION AND WE ARE APPROVING PHASES SEVEN. IS THERE ANY TIMELINE? WE HAVE ALREADY DONE FIVE UP ON THE OTHER END. IS THERE ANY CONNECTION ON WHY THAT WOULD BE SO FAR AHEAD OF ITSELF?

>> THAT IS KIND OF BEEN THE COURSE OF THIS DEVELOPING. IF I CAN SPEAK MORE TO THIS, THEY HAVE APPROVED PHASES WELL AHEAD OF CONSTRUCTION. CONSTRUCTION PLANS APPROVED WELL AHEAD OF CONSTRUCTION AND IN MY OBSERVATION THE DEVELOPMENT HAS MOVED VERY METHODICALLY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, SINCE THEY HAD THE MASTER PLAN APPROVE. ON TRACK TO COMPLETE IT BETWEEN THE TIMELINE. SO, I WOULD NOT SAY IT IS NOT UNCOMMON. IT IS A LITTLE BIT UNCOMMON FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY PLAN AHEAD AND GET IT DONE. IT IS WELCOME BY STAFF.

>> OKAY. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS COMPLETE ON THIS. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR EMOTIONS?

>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE 2024-0 23 WITH COMMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. EMOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY

OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. >> ALL RIGHT. SO, THIS REQUEST

[14. Annexation - Wrightwood Hills AX-2024-014 ]

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NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE ANNEXATION 2024 WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM AN EMOTION AND A SECOND GET ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY

OPPOSED? THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT THE SECOND OF

[15. Rezoning - Wrightwood Hills - PUBLIC HEARNG RZ-2024-005 ]

>> HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 372 ACRES WERE ANNEXED?

>> YEAH. IT WAS 169.7, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE APPLICATION INITIALLY READ 172.7 INTO THE DESCRIPTION WHICH CHANGED IT. IT IS TO THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THAT 38, 48 SAND HILL ROAD. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SITE PLAN, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING WE WILL -- WERE GIVEN FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT WOULD REQUIRE 50% WITH THE PROPERTY TO BE DEDICATED IN PERPETUITY I WANTED TO SHOW YOU HERE THAT THE PROPERTY IN YELLOW IS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING CURRENTLY DOWN SAND HILL ROAD FROM THE SUBDIVISION WHICH CAME THROUGH AT THE FEBRUARY 2024 MEETING OF A SIMILAR REQUEST OF REZONING C.O.D. DISTRICT AND PULMONARY PLAT FOR CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS REZONING IS A PART OF THE MOTION FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT FOLLOWS. IT HINDERS ON IF THIS WILL BE APPROVED OR NOT.

>> THIS BEING REZONING . THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> NO ONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. >> WE HAVE FAMILY PROPERTY AND UP TO 100 ACRES AT 75 FEET, JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT ZONE.

WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING. I DID RESEARCH THE TERM, CONSERVATION OVERLAY BUT I AM CONCERNED AS TO WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS. I FOUND WORDS INHERENT LIKE ALTERNATIVES TO STANDARD DEVELOPMENT OR FLEXIBILITY IS DEVELOPMENT. FOSTER LEFT CRAWLSPACE, MORE EFFICIENT. IT GETS LOST IN A CLUSTER OF HOMES. ARE WE BUILDING THE HOMES IN THAT AREA TO MEET THE THREE ACRE REQUIREMENT THAT THE REST OF THAT ROAD ALREADY HAS IN PLACE? OR IS IS A MODIFICATION TO THEM? ON THE SIDE OF THE HILL, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY FOR 5 GENERATIONS. WE HAVE GOT PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE. SEWAGE RAN FROM THE CITY OR SEPTIC TANKS? WE ARE DOWNHILL FROM THAT PROPERTY. IT REALLY DOES MAKE A CONCERN TO US. WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT FEASIBILITY WITH THE ROAD. GOING TO WIDEN SAND HILL ROAD, WHICH I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION THE LEGAL NAME FOR THAT IS MEMS TRAIL. IT HAS BEEN MEMS TRAIL SINCE THE 1800S. WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT ROAD? I'M ASSUMING YOU ARE PLANNING TO PUT TURN LANES AND IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIDEN IT. BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 57 HOMES WITH AN AVERAGE OF THREE CARS PER HOUSE, THAT IS A LOT OF CARS GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I AM WONDERING

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BEFORE IT WAS MYRTLE AND CHARLES, GOING BACK IN TIME, IT WAS SAINT STORY. MISS STORY HAD THREE CHILDREN BORN ON THAT PROPERTY AND ARE BURIED ON THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CITY WANTS TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY AND HAVE THREE GRAVES SIT BEHIND THAT HOUSE. I HAVE NOT BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY IN A LONG TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT STATUS OF THE PROPERTY IS BUT THERE ARE THREE GRAVES BACK THERE. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, I JUST NEED SOME CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT I THINK THE DEVELOPER IS HERE AND I WILL GIVE HIM MY PHONE NUMBER AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, IF NEED BE.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO YOU FOR CERTAIN. IF IT IS APPROVED IS IT GOING TO ALLOW FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX? I

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> I LIVE ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTY TO THAT, ALSO. SHOCKED TO SEE BECAUSE WE BROUGHT THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH ACREAGE BEHIND US. SAME QUESTION AS THIS GENTLEMAN HERE BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO ENTAIL YOU'RE GOING TO BE NEEDING TO MOVE OUT IF IT BECOMES TOO LARGE? WELL, NOW THERE ARE HUGE SUBDIVISIONS IN OUR AREA. IS IT GOING TO AFFECT THE WILDLIFE? EVERYONE IN OUR FOUR HOUSE SUBDIVISION, IT IS VERY NICE AND SMALL. WE ALL MOVED THERE BECAUSE OF THE WILDLIFE AND ALL OF THE LAND. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONSERVED. I DOUBT THEY ARE GOING TO REDO THE PLAN, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE. IF IT IS POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE CONSERVATION IN THE TIMELINE.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME

FORWARD? >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

HEARING AT THIS TIME. >> TWO MORE AGENDA ITEMS . CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT C.O.D. ALLOWS?

>> THE QUESTION IS CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT , SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE PLAT WHERE THEY HAVE THE LOTS, I CAN

EXPLAIN IT. >> BACK TO THE CONCEPT.

>> THIS IS GOOD. THIS IS GOOD. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS IS GREEN. SO, THE STIPULATION OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS THAT 50% OF THE LAND HAS TO BE CONSERVATIVE. THERE HAS TO BE A CONSERVATION INSTRUMENT, A LEGAL INSTRUMENT THAT WILL PREVENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE PERPETUITY PERIOD. EVERYTHING THAT IS GREEN, ONCE IS AS CONSERVATION EASEMENT, ONCE IT IS APPROVED, THE FINAL PLAT, THIS WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. THEY CANNOT BE DEVELOPED. THERE HAS TO BE A PERMIT CONSERVATION FORWARD THAT WILL RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT. EVERYTHING THAT ABUTS , AS FAR AS THE DENSITY GOES, THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHAT ALLOWS IT TO HAPPEN, THESE WILL BE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THEY CAN GET UNDER THE THREE ACRE MINIMUM AND THEY CAN GO DOWN TO A ONE ACRE LOT SIZE WHICH IS THE MINIMUM IN THE WORLD DISTRICT. 50% OF THE LAND THAT THEY OWN HAS TO BE AT IN THE CONSERVATION INSTRUMENT. IF SO, IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE C.O.D.

OVERLAY. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE OPTED FOR IT. IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BECOME A TREND ON SAND HILL ROAD. THERE ARE SEVERAL VISUAL SHOWS APPROVED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD IT. LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MASQUERADE THE ENTIRE SIDE. A LOT OF THE INTENT OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS IS THAT THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL FEATURES AND QUALITIES OF THE SITE. THE STREAMS, THE TREES, THE WILDLIFE. THERE IS A GROWING INTEREST IN MARKET FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN HOMES LIKE THAT IN PROXIMITY TO THAT AND BE MORE AMONGST THAT AND NOT HAVE TO -- LIVING IN A REGULAR SUBDIVISION WORK IS CLEAR-CUT MASQUERADED IN THOSE TREES -- THIS IS THE WAY TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AND A WAY TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER IN THE RURAL AREA OPERATING IN THE BOUNDARY. SO, TO SEE WHICH QUESTION IT IS GOING TO BE SEPTIC, AS WELL. THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THE REST OF IT.

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>> IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ASK THAT YOU NEED TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE GROUP THAT QUESTION DOCTRINE THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP. WE WILL CERTAINLY ABIDE BY ANY REGULATIONS AROUND THAT THAT WE HAVE TO DO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE PERSONALLY ABOUT THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS WE HAVE A TON OF FLEXIBILITY IN PLANNING. THIS WILL HAVE 88 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE IN CONSERVATION FOREVER. SO, WITH THAT, WE CAN REALLY PLAY WITH A LOT OF THINGS WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY OF KEEPING IT MINIMAL DISTURBANCE. WE LOVE THAT LOOK. WE THINK IT IS A GREAT PRODUCT ALREADY. IT IS AN AWESOME PLACE TO LIVE. YOU CAN GO OUT YOUR BACK DOOR AND YOU MIGHT HAVE 10 FOOTBALL FIELDS OF WOODS BETWEEN YOU AND A PROPERTY LINE. THAT IS FANTASTIC. WE LOVE THAT. AS FAR AS THE GRAVE SITE GOES, IF THAT IS AN ISSUE, WE WILL WORK AROUND THAT. WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO PLAN AROUND THAT IF NEEDED. WE HAVE TO GO THERE AND VERIFY THESE THINGS. PROBABLY NOT TONIGHT, BUT TOMORROW. WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT ENTAILS AND HOW WE WILL HAVE TO

WORK AROUND THAT. >> YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD THAT DEPENDS ON DENSITY AND TRAFFIC STUDIES WITH IT GETTING WIDENED. SO PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT.

>> WE ACTUALLY DID THE OTHER PROJECT, AS WELL. THAT IS UNDER LEE COUNTY JURISDICTION. ON THAT COUNTY THEY DID NOT REQUIRE US. I DON'T KNOW BUT WHAT THEY REQUIRED IN THE LAST TWO WAS IN THE LARGE RADIUS. NOT EXACTLY THE TRAFFIC DEMANDS THAT WE ARE SEEING. BUT STILL, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND PREVENT ANY ISSUES OUT THERE.

>> I DO WANT TO MENTION RELATIVE TO THIS. IF WE KEEP ANNEXING PROPERTIES ON SAND HILL ROAD IT WILL BE OWNED IN THE CITY. SO, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WITH THE MAJOR STREET PLAN WHAT THOSE UPGRADES WOULD MEAN THERE IS A THRESHOLD THAT WOULD COME THROUGH. SO, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? >> BACK TO HIS QUESTION. THE WAY THAT THE PLAN IS DRAWN, THERE WILL BE ACCESS FOR THE RIGHT AWAY IF YOU HAVE TO -- OKAY.

>> HOW CLOSE TO THE ROAD THEY CAN BE.

>> WE DO REQUIRE AT LEAST 10 FEET ON THE CONDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY. YES, IT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IN THIS PLAN. BUT

WE CAN GET BACK TO IT. >> IN THREE MINUTES.

>> SO, THIS IS JUST REZONING. YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. COMMISSIONERS? MOTIONS?

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE 2024-005.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN THE

[16. Preliminary Plat - Wrightwood Hills - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-018]

>> ALL RIGHT, THE THIRD AND FINAL REQUEST FOR THIS PROPERTY IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 57 LOT CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION, SPECIFICALLY SIX OF THOSE LOTS WILL BE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ONE WILL BE THE CONSERVATION OPEN-SPACE LOT. SO, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS CONFIGURED SIMILAR TO THE CONCEPT PLAN AND HOW THE OPEN-SPACE WILL BE AROUND THE BORDER OF THE PROPERTY AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE OUT 50% OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PULMONARY PLAT REQUEST WITH COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY TO NOTE THE TWO THINGS THAT WILL

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>> THAT IS BEAUREGARD. YES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS PRELIMINARY PLAT AND IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT NOW. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON

THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> IF I MAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE JOE HILL. MY COMMENT FROM BEFORE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CARRY OVER TO THIS MOTION AS WELL, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? WAITING SO PATIENTLY ALL NIGHT.

>> MY NAME IS WILL ON 99 SINGLE POINT HALFWAY ON THE EAST SIDE . NOT A SUPER BIG CONCERN. I AM ALL FOR GROWTH AND EVERYTHING.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IS THERE ANY FLEXIBILITY, BECAUSE THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL BEFORE IT GOES TO FINAL PLAT, WILL THAT CHANGE AT ALL? THAT VISION? IN WHAT CAPACITY?

>> THEY WILL NOT BE SIGNIFICANT.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION OF MY QUESTION, IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE THOSE LOTS SWINGING OVER TO THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CONSERVATION PEACE BE IN THE CENTER SO THAT THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES ARE HINDERED WHAT IS THE WORD? A BUFFER. A BUFFER. THERE YOU GO. THAT IS WHY I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL REVIEW INSTEAD OF MAKING A U ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTIES OF THE OTHER

PROPERTIES ARE AFFECTED. >> THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC HEARING? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING. I SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE GRAVES WERE ONE OF THE REASONS IT MAY

SHIFT A LITTLE. >> YEAH. SO, THERE ARE STREAMS AND CREEKS. BUT I WANT TO ANSWER THE POINT. SO, THESE ARE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. TICKETS ARE NOT MULTI UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

CULINARY PLOTS, THEY ARE WORKING DOCUMENTS. IF THAT IS GRAVES AND ONCE THEY GET ON SITE AND THERE IS AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF ROCK THAT CHANGES THE DESIGN. THAT IS SUBJECT TO HAPPEN. BUT OFTEN TIMES A PRELIMINARY PLAT IS LARGELY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE FINAL PLAT IS GOING TO BE UNLESS THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES GOING THROUGH. I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WORK OUT A LOT OF THE GRANULAR DETAILS ONCE WE GET INTO THE RT. SOMETIMES IT IS A MULTIPLE YEAR PROCESS. THE OBSTACLES THEY ENCOUNTER ON THE SITE. I WOULD NOT IMAGINE THIS TO CHANGE TOO MUCH. BUT THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT.

THE FEATURE OF THIS AND THE APPEAL OF THIS IS THE ACCESS TO THE OPEN SPACE THAT BUFFER IS A TWO WAY STREET. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I WOULDN'T CHANGE IT TOO SIGNIFICANTLY. IT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN OUR POLICY THAT IF THE CHANGE IS SIGNIFICANT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE

AND WE HEAR IT ALL AGAIN. >> OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING HAS

BEEN CLOSED. COMMISSIONERS? >> 0018 WITH COMMON AND CONTINGENT ON CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

>> A SECOND. >> OF THE REZONING. I'M SORRY.

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>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND DOLLARS IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THAT IS OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE EVENING. ANY OTHER

[STAFF COMMUNICATION ]

BUSINESS? SUPPLICATION? >> ACTUALLY DO. TWO THINGS. THE MINOR ONE. THE LONG-LASTING ONE. WE WELCOMED A NEW EMPLOYEE ON STAFF THAT I MEANT TO INTRODUCE THEM AT THE MEETING BUT WE ARE ROLLING PRETTY FAST. HE WILL BE WORKING WITH US. YOU WILL BE SEEING HIM. HE DID NOT HAVE ANY CASES THIS MONTH, BUT HE WILL HAVE CASES NEXT MONTH. LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM. YEAH. SO, SECONDLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THIS CAME UP ON ANOTHER PROJECT OF NO MINIMUMS FOR SOMETHING IN THAT WE FOUND THE MINIMUM. CURRENTLY, PRELIMINARY PLAT ARE NOT DOCUMENTS. WE APPROVE THEM WITH STAFF COMMENTS BUT I THINK TONIGHT, 43 MIGHT BE TOO MANY COMMENTS TO APPROVE IT. I THINK THEY ARE HAMSTRUNG BY THE BYLAWS. IF YOU SAY NO TO SOMETHING THEY CANNOT COME BACK FOR A YEAR. UNLESS THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. DO WE ALLOW FOR THE REJECTION OF PRELIMINARY PLATS AND THEN COME BACK ON THE SUBSEQUENT AGENDA.

TWO WE SEND IT AWAY FOR A YEAR? BUT, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE. SO FROM A STAFF SIDE, THERE IS IMMENSE FRUSTRATION WHERE WE DO HAVE A SENSE OF OVERWHELMING COMMENTS BUT THAT IS ENGINEERING COMMENTS OR THE PLANNING SIDE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS WHERE WE GET THROUGH IN THERE ARE PAGES AND PAGES OF COMMENTS. IT IS EITHER EXHAUSTION OR JUST WORKING THROUGH THIS SOMEHOW. I THINK THAT FRUSTRATION IS SHARED AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN FIGURE OUT. I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE ON THAT, HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE GOING TO REVIEW SOMETHING? HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO DO YOUR WORK FOR YOU? WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU NEED TO DO? WHY ARE YOU NOT BRINGING US FINISHED PRODUCTS? I THINK THAT IS A THING THAT WE NEED TO FINISH WITH THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT AND THE OTHER PROCESSES IN THE BYLAWS TO PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION TO SAY NO TO THINGS THIS GOES INTO THE

HOPPER OR THEY DON'T. >> ALABAMA LOT IS SO SPECIFIC, IT PUTS US IN A BOX. THEY HAVE 30 DAYS. WE CANNOT EVEN TABLE IT TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING IF IT IS MORE THAN 30 DAYS FROM

THE TIME THEY FILED. >> CORRECT. CORRECT. BUT, THE MIND ON THAT IS THAT ALABAMA LAW DOES NOT SAY THAT WE CANNOT HEAR SOMETHING IN ANOTHER MONTH IF WE SAY NO TO IT. BUT, WE

HAVE TO ACT ON IT. >> ACT ON IT. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE A BAD THING IF WE ACTED ON IT IN THE ANSWER WAS NO. BUT WE ALLOWED WITH THE PLAT TO COME BACK I THINK WE DID FIND THE COMMENTS THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.

>> THEY ARE QUITE SPECIFIC. THEY KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE.

>> WE AGREE. THEY DEFINITELY KNOW. THAT IS ON THEM TOO. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ON MONDAY. BUT IT IS SOMETHING I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AROUND THE BYLAWS OF ONCE WE SAY NO TO SOMETHING, COMING BACK AT A SECOND TIME APPROVAL WITH COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS IT. THAT IS ALL

I GOT. >> MOTION TO ADJOURN.

>> ALL IS IN FAVOR?

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