Jun 18, 2024 City Council

THANK YOU CONNIE.

AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UM, THE PROCLAMATION AND FOR BOB COMING OUT AND WE JUST REALLY HAD A GOOD TIME.

AND, UH, I HOPE Y'ALL ENJOYED THE SPEAKER.

DID , SHE HAS SOME POWERFUL WORDS FOR SURE.

ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT?

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YES, SIR.

SIR, THIS, THIS MAY BE RIGHT UP THERE WITH WATCHING PAINT DRIVE, BUT I'VE NOTICED THAT THE, THE STREETS ARE GETTING STRIPED AND I BELIEVE WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ABOUT A 30 DAY PERIOD WHEN THE STRIPING WILL OCCUR ON CITY STREETS.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN ON THAT.

IT SHOULD RUN UNTIL ABOUT THE END OF JUNE.

WE WILL STRIPE AS THE STRIPING COMPANIES ARE IN TOWN.

IT, IT, DIFFERENT SECTIONS GET DONE, BUT I I COULD SAY THAT, WE'LL, AS LONG AS WE'RE RESURFACING, WE'RE STRIPING.

WELL, IT LOOKS GREAT AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE WORK, WHOEVER IT IS.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THERE ARE, THERE'S TWO CONTRACTS AND ONE IS FOR STRIPING AND SOMETIMES THEY WILL RETRIP PLACES THAT ARE NOT BEING RESURFACED.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT.

UM, BUT AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, AND A LOT OF OUR LONGSTANDING COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE DEALT WITH, UM, WE HAVE VERY FEW STRIPING COMPANIES NOW.

WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE LOCALIZED, BUT, UM, SOMETIMES WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMING IN AND THEY COME INTO TOWN AND START STRIPING.

SO WE'RE JUST APPRECIATIVE WHEN IT GETS DONE.

WE'VE HAD SOME CITIZENS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, OPELIKA ROAD BEING ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS.

COUNCILMAN ADAMS HAS DEALT WITH WHERE IN HIS WARD, WHERE SOME CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED AT NIGHT WHERE THEY CAN'T SEE VERY WELL.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THAT CORRECTED.

I GOT, YES MA'AM, PLEASE.

I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION.

IS THERE ANY UPDATES ON THE LIGHTS ON MARTIN LUTHER KING? YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT WERE, WAS, UH, KNOCKED DOWN.

I DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATE.

THEY'VE NOT COME IN OR THEY WOULD BE INSTALLED.

RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S A SUPPLY ISSUE WHEN THEY COME IN, AS SOON AS THEY GET HERE, WE WILL ARRANGE AN INSTALLATION.

WITH AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS.

ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE AHEAD

[5. AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS.]

GOOD EVENING.

UM, IF WE HAVEN'T MET YET, MY NAME IS EVELYN CHERRY.

I GREW UP IN AUBURN AND I NOW ATTEND AUBURN UNIVERSITY AND I AM SERVING AS ONE OF THE DIRECTORS OF CITY RELATIONS THIS NEXT YEAR FOR AUBURN'S, SGA.

UM, AND THIS IS MY FIRST REPORT.

UM, SO AS EVERYONE KNOWS, CAMP OR EAGLE IS STILL GOING ON.

THEY FINISHED UP THEIR SIXTH SESSION TODAY.

SO IF YOU'RE ON CAMPUS OR AROUND CAMPUS IN DOWNTOWN, JUST CONTINUE TO BE HAPPY FACES AND SWEET TO ALL THE INCOMING STUDENTS.

UM, AND THEN AUBURN'S FIRST MINI SEMESTER IS WRAPPING UP THIS WEEK, SO FINALS ARE AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, AND THEN THE SECOND MINI SEMESTER OF THE SUMMER STARTS NEXT WEEK.

SO THERE WILL BE KIND OF AN EXCHANGE OF STUDENTS COMING FOR THE SECOND SEMESTER MINI SEMESTER AND THEN LEAVING FOR THE FIRST MINI SEMESTER.

AND THEN THIS JUST A REMINDER THAT THE MARKET AT AG HERITAGE PARK IS ONGOING ALL SUMMER FROM THREE TO 6:00 PM EVERY SINGLE THURSDAY AT THE RED BARN OR THE AG HERITAGE PARK.

AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE GOODS FROM THE AUBURN COMMUNITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

UM, THAT'S ALL FOR TODAY.

MOVE FORWARD WITH CITY MANAGER'S COMMUNICATIONS UNDER CITY MANAGER'S COMMUNICATIONS THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU EVELYN.

GLAD TO HAVE YOU.

ALRIGHT, THIS TIME IS, UH, CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS ON ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT AN ITEM THAT IS ON UPCOMING ON OUR AGENDA.

UH, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO COME FORWARD.

WE'D ASK THAT YOU COME FORWARD TO THE LECTERN AND PROVIDE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

THERE ARE A COUPLE ITEMS, ONE ITEM IN PARTICULAR THAT HAS A PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE'D ASK THAT YOU WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE? OKAY.

WE'LL

[7. CITY MANAGER’S COMMUNICATIONS.]

I HAVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF ONE VACANCY ON THE GREEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD FOR A TERM THAT BEGINS AUGUST 8TH AND ENDS AUGUST 7TH, 2028.

THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE MADE AT THE JULY 16TH MEETING.

YOU READY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA,

[8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA.]

PLEASE? DOES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DEAL WITH THAT ITEM INDIVIDUALLY? GO AHEAD, MR. MOORE.

UM, ITEMS, UH, EIGHT DELTA TWO AND EIGHT DELTA FOUR.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

EIGHT D TWO ITEM EIGHT D TWO AUTHORIZES THE PAYMENT OF $72,355 TO D AND J ENTERPRISES INCORPORATED FOR THE EMERGENCY REPAIR OF A STORM SEWER SINKHOLE ON WEST GLEN AVENUE.

APPROVAL.

ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

MR. MORMON? YES SIR.

AND IT, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, YOU KNOW, ERODED UNDER THE ROAD AND THE HOLE STARTED OPENING.

I JUST WONDERED HOW BAD THIS SINKHOLE WAS AND HOW LONG IT TOOK TO FIX IT.

WELL, I'LL SAY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, VERY LATE AFTERNOON WE GOT A CALL, ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES NOTICED, A LITTLE BIT OF A SAG IN THE ROAD, AND BY THE TIME WE GOT OUT THERE, THE HOLE STARTED FORMING.

AND SO I CAN HAVE OUR TECHNICAL FOLKS EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, UH, THIS IS AN OLD ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION RIGHT OF WAY AND WEST GLEN AVENUE'S KIND OF IN THE VICINITY OF THE WAFFLE HOUSE.

UH, WAFFLE HOUSE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

NEITHER DID ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA.

I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR.

NOR TALL BUILDINGS, UM, THESE ARE STORM OLD STORM WATER PIPES THAT SIT UNDER A VERY OLD ROAD THAT WE INHERITED AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE ROAD THAT WE INHERITED AND WAS BUILT MANY YEARS AGO.

UM, AND WE HAD A, A PROBLEM WITH STORMWATER OR GETTING OUTSIDE OF THE PIPE

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IT PROBABLY WAS, WHAT, FIVE FEET OR LARGER WITHIN SEVERAL HOURS.

? YEAH, IT WAS MOVING QUICKLY.

SO D AND J ENTERPRISES, AS THEY ALWAYS DO WHEN WE CALL THEM, THEY WERE DOWN THE ROAD.

THEY WERE THERE IN A MATTER OF MINUTES.

UM, AND WE STARTED WORKING ON A PLANE TOGETHER.

UH, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF RAIN AT THIS TIME OR A LOT OF RAIN, WHICH SLOWED US DOWN SLIGHTLY.

UM, THE PROBLEM WAS ANALYZED, THE, WE BLOCKED KIND OF THE AREA FOR OVERNIGHT AND THEN BEGAN WORKING IN THE RAIN THE NEXT DAY.

HOW MANY TOTAL DAYS WERE WE CLOSED? ABOUT A WEEK.

IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK, BUT IT WAS SOME FULL CLOSURE AND THEN SOME LANE CLOSURES ON WEST GLEN.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE HAD ONE IN THIS VICINITY.

UM, AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO, AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, IS WE ARE PUTTING A CAMERA AND ALL THE STORM PIPE WE KNOW ABOUT IN THAT VICINITY, TO TRY TO LOCATE IF THERE COULD BE ANY FURTHER PROBLEMS, AGAIN, DUE TO AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW.

SOME, SOME OF WHICH WE DON'T KNOW EXISTS UNDER THE ROAD THERE, UM, DUE TO HOW OLD IT IS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO AVOID THIS IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT I REALLY COMMEND OUR STAFF MEMBER WHO WAS ON THEIR WAY BACK TO THEIR OFFICE AND NOTICED THERE'S A PROBLEM.

UM, WE DON'T, IF YOU SEE A DEPRESSION IN A ROAD AND YOU'VE NOT SEEN IT BEFORE, CALL IT IN, PUT IT IN, FIX IT, LET US KNOW BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND WE, WE DON'T KNOW.

AND UM, BUT I REALLY COMMEND OUR ENTIRE STAFF AND D AND J ENTERPRISES FOR IMMEDIATELY MOBILIZING.

AND IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND I KNOW SOMETIMES WE LOOK LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN STAND AROUND A GIGANTIC HOLE IN THE ROAD AND, AND, UH, TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT WAS GROWING, UM, WHERE WAS THE PROBLEM? HOW COULD WE ISOLATE IT AND HOW COULD WE GET IT REPAIRED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE? AND THE BEST NEWS OF ALL IS NOBODY WAS HURT IN THE PROCESS.

UM, AND NO DAMAGE TO OTHER PROPERTY, VEHICLES OR PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S THE PEOPLE ARE WHAT MATTERS.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE? YES, KELLY? UH, WAS THIS AN ACTIVE WATER LINE? THE ONE THAT, THAT WE ARE USING STORM, STORM SEWER LINE, STORM WATER LINE.

BUT IT IS, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ONE THAT'S PART OF OUR OVERALL STORM COLLECTION.

THERE'S ONE THAT WAS COLLECTING WATER AND TRYING TO PASS WATER THROUGH IT.

I WANNA ECHO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID.

THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF THAT STOPPED WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO GET OUT THERE AND HANDLE THIS EMERGENCY.

AND THANK YOU TO D AND J FOR SENDING A CREW OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY.

IT'S IMPORTANT.

ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE GOT A MOTION TO SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION CARRIES AATE D FOUR AUTHORIZES A THREE YEAR SUBSCRIPTION RENEWAL WITH GRANICUS LLC FOR AUBURN FIXIT IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $46,648 AND 20 CENTS.

MAYOR FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND, IF A MOTION IS SECOND.

MR. MORMON? YES SIR.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

UM, BESIDES, UH, SUBSCRIPTION RENEWAL FOR THE FIX IT APP, UH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, UH, APP IS BEING UPGRADED, AT LEAST IN PART, THE APP IS NOT ITSELF, IS NOT BEING UPGRADED.

WE'RE ALWAYS REFINING INTERNAL PROCESSES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR DIRECTOR OF CITY RELATIONS, UM, ALISON BLANKENSHIP, AS WELL AS OUR PEOPLE IN OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT, GIS WHERE SOMETIMES SOME CITIZENS FEEL THAT THEY PUT THINGS IN HERE AND, AND THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ADEQUATE RESPONSE.

AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS OUR STAFF IS OFTEN TAKING CARE OF IT, BUT THEY'LL FORGET TO TYPE SOMETHING CALLED PUBLIC COLON IN THERE.

WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE DOING SOME QUALITY CONTROL WHERE WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING SOME THINGS AND WE'RE CORRECTING SOME THINGS TO MAKE IT EASIER ON THE STAFF THAT THAT RESPONDS TO ALL OF THESE TO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S GETTING TO OUR END USER AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO THAT'S JUST SOME INTERNAL REFINEMENT VERSUS THE ACTUAL FUNCTIONALITY OF THE APP ITSELF.

WELL, I COMMEND THEM FOR THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS WE HAVE? MOTION SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION CARRIES.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED.

SECOND.

MOTION SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

A AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AND THE CONSENT AGENDA CARRIES FORTH ORDINANCES UNDER

[9.a. Annexation. Sharon Stitch. Approximately 4.95 acres. Property located at 2042 Bonny Glen Road. Planning Commission recommendation. Unanimous consent necessary. ]

ORDINANCES THIS EVENING.

ITEM NINE A IS A REQUEST FROM SHARON STITCH TO ANNEX APPROXIMATELY 4.95 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 0 4 2 BONNIE GLEN ROAD.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST THAT ITS JUNE 13TH MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.

I'LL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND IS ANYONE THE COUNCILS HAVING PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? SEEING OR HEARING NONE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, JUST, JUST ONE, UH, QUICK COMMENT.

I, I SEE THAT APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE INTENDED USE WILL REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY ATTACK, I GUESS DETACHED, DWELLING, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

UM, ARE THERE ANY PLANS, UH, TO DEVELOP THIS OR THAT WE KNOW OF AT THIS POINT? I'LL HAVE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UH, THANK YOU.

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YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION.

I GUESS THIS IS, UM, WE SEE A LOT OF VARIATIONS JUST KIND OF PLANS FOR THIS A LOT.

AND I THINK JUST KIND OF FOR THINGS KIND OF OFF OF BONNIE GLENN, JUST, UH, I THINK JUST WITH THIS LOT PARTICULARLY, UM, SO IF THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THEY, THEY CHANGE SO FREQUENTLY, SO I CAN'T REALLY SAY IF THERE ARE ANY FIRM OR COMMITTED TO PLANS AT THIS MOMENT.

BUT WE SEE A LOT OF VARIATIONS.

UM, I MEAN, JUST IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY, SO I'LL REMIND YOU AS YOU ANNEX THIS, THIS COMES IN AS RURAL, NOT A DIFFERENT ZONE THAT, SO RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE THREE ACRE LOT MINIMUM.

NINE B ONE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 65.28 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHERN EXTENSION OF MEMS TRAIL SUBDIVISION FROM RURAL TO DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING.

SO THERE COULD ONLY BE ONE LOT BECAUSE IT, COULD IT BE TWO LOTS I GUESS? I DON'T THINK SO.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

I'M LOOKING AT HIM TO MAKE SURE FROM AN EXISTING STRUCTURE STANDPOINT, BUT UNLESS THERE WERE TWO PARCELS THERE ALREADY, WHICH THERE ARE NOT, IT'S JUST ONE.

UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU WON'T SEE A REZONING, BUT RIGHT NOW THE ONLY APPLICATION BEFORE YOU USE ANNEXATION.

[9.b. Zoning. Planning Commission recommendations. Unanimous consent necessary. Public hearings required. ]

THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION AT ITS MAY 9TH MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

I'LL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK YOU FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANYONE THE COUNCIL HAVE PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

SAME.

HEARING NONE.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THIS TOPIC.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.

ANYONE? OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? I HAD A QUESTION, PLEASE.

SO ON THIS UH, 65 ACRES, IT'S A HUNDRED AND APPROXIMATELY 57 UNITS, I, I NOTICED THE ROAD CUT GOING OUT TO OLD MILL ROAD, I BELIEVE.

MM-HMM, .

AND THE SITE PLAN, JUST THE CONDITION OF OLD MILL ROAD, UH, WILL, I DON'T KNOW IF A TRAFFIC STUDY WILL ADDRESS THE CONDITION OF THAT ROAD, BUT IS IT CAPABLE OF HANDING THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT WE ANTICIPATE COMING OUT OF THESE UNITS? IF THIS IS ALL ADOPTED, I KNOW A TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED AND I'LL HAVE THE CITY ENGINEER ADDRESS IF IT'S GONNA LOOK AT WHEN YOU MEAN CONDITIONS, COUNCILMAN COLAN, DO YOU MEAN IT'S WIDTH? DO YOU MEAN POTHOLES? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YEAH, JUST OVERALL CONDITION.

IT'S, IT TO MY, MY EXPERIENCE IS KIND OF A NARROWER SMALLER ROAD HANDLING THIS VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.

I KNOW SOME OF IT WILL HAVE TO GO OUT THROUGH PROBABLY MEN TRAIL, THE EXISTING ROAD NETWORK THERE, BUT I I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON OLD MILL ROAD.

YES.

AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU APPROVE THE REZONING AND THEY SUBMIT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT MILL CREEK ROAD, LOOK AT IMPACTS TO THE ROAD ITSELF, THE CAPACITY AS WELL AS THE INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE AFFECTED.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO FAIR TO SAY THERE ARE SUBDIVISIONS ACROSS OLD MILL ROAD THAT HAVE ALSO BEEN ASKED AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT TO LOOK AT CERTAIN THINGS AS WELL ALONG THE WAY.

SECONDLY, I KNOW THERE'S A PUMP STATION THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT IN AND OUT HERE MANY YEARS AGO TO HANDLE AND IT'S CAPABLE OF HANDLING THIS VOLUME OF HOUSES.

SINCE THE LAND USE PLAN INDICATED RURAL, I GUESS WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO HANDLE WHAT WE NEED TO.

AND WITH THE ADDITION OF THESE HOUSES, OUR ASSISTANT WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR MATT DUNN IS HERE AND I'LL HAVE HIM SPEAK TO THAT.

MATT, IF YOU COULD JUST GET TO A MICROPHONE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

UH, YEAH, THERE, THERE IS A LIFT STATION OUT THERE, UM, AND IT IS CAPABLE OF, OF HANDLING THE ADDITIONAL OKAY.

SEWER LIFT.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OR YOU WANT ME TO NO, NO.

YEAH, SAME.

UH, THANK YOU SIR.

UM, THERE WAS QUITE A LIVELY DISCUSSION ON THE, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION ON NINE MAY ABOUT SEWER.

AND I THINK THAT, UH, AS YOU TWO GENTLEMEN HAVE POINTED OUT, THE SEWER IS, IS CAPABLE OF THE SEWER TREATMENT PLAN IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING AND THE SEWER SYSTEM IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THESE ADDITIONAL, UH, HOUSING UNITS.

UM, BUT I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY SERVICES IN THAT REGARD.

UM, TRASH AND FIRE AND POLICE AND ANIMAL CONTROL AND WATER ITSELF.

UM, WILL THE, WILL THESE CITY SERVICES BE ADEQUATE? WILL IT BE TOO MUCH OF, TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON THESE CITY SERVICES? WERE THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT

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UH, ULTIMATELY, I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE UP TO YOU.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK TO TONIGHT RELATIVE TO THIS AGENDA ITEM.

UM, BACK TO THE LAND USE PLAN, WE DO PLAN ACCORDINGLY WITH WHAT A LAND USE PLAN SAYS AND INDICATES.

AND, AND AS I'VE RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS, UM, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN, THIS, THIS REQUEST, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT DENSITY IN HERE IS RELATIVELY LOW BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A GOOD BIT OF THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO NOT BUILDABLE, SO THAT MAKES IT 2.4 UNITS AN ACRE.

HOWEVER, YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT A NEW LAND USE PLAN COMING UP OR REVISIONS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT ARE GONNA RECOMMEND THIS AREA TO BE ONE ACRE LOT MINIMUM.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THAT.

UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES WHERE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IS ZONED ACCORDINGLY.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PIVOT TO.

UM, A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON TIMING AND SO ON.

AND WE'LL ADDRESS THIS AND THIS CAN MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING TO TAKE ON OTHER AREAS.

I THINK THE, THE BIGGER GOAL IS THIS IS A BUDDING, AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING SERVICES TO THIS AREA.

WE'RE NOT GOING EIGHT MILES IN A DIRECTION, WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY GOING AND PROVIDING SERVICES, WE'RE ALREADY IN THESE AREAS.

AND SO I CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S MORE CHALLENGING.

IT'S SOMETHING IF YOU PROVE THIS, WE WILL PLAN FOR IT ACCORDINGLY.

AND AS WE KNOW THE DEVELOPER'S SCHEDULE, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL PLAN FOR.

BUT WHEN YOU JUMP IN AN AREA WHERE WE'RE NOT PROVIDING A LOT OF THESE SERVICES AND IT'S EXTREMELY RURAL AND LOW DENSITY IN THAT ENTIRE AREA, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIGGER CHALLENGE FOR US.

BUT WHEN WE CAN MEET, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.

YOU HAVE A QUESTIONS MS. MA? UM, YES MA'AM.

UH, YES SIR.

UM, YOU, YOU, UH, RAISED THE ISSUE OF THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

AND I THINK THAT WAS A STICKING POINT WITH THE, UH, STAFF AND WHY THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND, UH, GOING FORWARD WITH THIS.

UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, IS THIS LIKE CLOSING THE BARN DOOR AFTER THE HORSE IS GONE? IF WE LOOK AT THE LAND USE PLAN AND THEN SAY WE'LL CHANGE THE PLAN BASED ON THE ACTION THAT WE'RE TAKING TONIGHT, UM, IT JUST, WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE AT A LATER DATE ON WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT? AND SO THAT'S A MULTILAYERED QUESTION, BUT I'LL HAVE PLANNING DIRECTOR START AND THEN I'LL BRING IT UP IF I NEED TO.

YEAH, SO, SO I I IT IS IN THE, UM, LAND USE UPDATES THAT CITY MANAGER MENTIONED.

SO THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES, I GUESS THE BULK MAJORITY OF THE UPDATES ARE CORRECTIONS AND SO THERE'S SOME GROWTH CHANGES, OPTIMAL BOUNDARY CHANGES, ET CETERA.

BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT ARE CORRECTIONS AND CORRECTIONS REPRESENT, DEVELOP THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE AND THEN HAVING THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN MATCH THAT.

AND SO I GUESS KIND OF LIKE HOW WE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WHERE SOME OF THAT DEVIATED FROM IT, THEN WE CORRECT IT KIND OF DOWN THE LINE.

I GUESS KIND OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT.

UM, I THINK JUST KIND OF FROM A POPULATION STANDPOINT OR I THINK FROM A GROWTH STANDPOINT, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MUCH MORE REFLECTIVE OF WE NO LONGER HAVE TO RELY ON THESE MECHANISMS TO GROW.

I MEAN LIKE WITHOUT UPZONING ANYTHING ANNEXING ANYTHING, AUBURN IS STILL GROWING AT ABOUT A 22, 2500 PERSON CLIP A YEAR KIND OF FOR THE NEXT FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THAT'S WITHOUT ANNEXING ANYTHING UPZONING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S REALLY THE RECOMMENDATION WAS REALLY JUST, UH, AND NOT TO THAT.

AND LIKE THE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE ARE, WE'VE KIND OF TRANSITIONED TO A LITTLE MORE SOPHISTICATED MODEL AROUND GROWTH, JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHERE GROWTH MAKES SENSE, WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE SERVICES, WHERE WE HAVE SERVICES AND THEN WHERE CAN WE EFFICIENTLY DELIVER THOSE SERVICES.

AND SO, WELL REAL QUICK, YOU, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING LIMITED RESIDENTIAL HERE BECAUSE YES, YES, YES.

AND SO, YEAH.

AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, LIMITED RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE, UM, IN THIS SPOTLIGHT, LIKE WE SAID, LIKE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS UN BUILDABLE.

LIKE I SAID, WE ALREADY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY OUT THERE TO BEGIN WITH.

AND I KNOW IT KIND OF CAME UP AT THE, UH, PLANNING, COMMISSIONING MEETING THAT THIS WAS URBAN AND I THINK LIKE THE SURROUNDING DENSITIES ARE TWO, SOME ARE GETTING UP TO THREE.

THAT'S NOT URBAN, THAT IS FIRMLY SUBURBAN, FIRMLY RURAL IN SOME AREAS.

AND LIKE WE WERE SAYING, I MEAN JUST KIND OF STRETCHING THAT OUT, UM, JUST LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT TO GROW.

AND SO IT WASN'T NOT NECESSARILY SAYING OR TRYING TO POLICE OR KIND OF INFORM ANYTHING, IT WAS REALLY JUST WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON THAT MECHANISM TO GROW ANYMORE AS A COMMUNITY IF WE DON'T WANT TO.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN IS STATING.

GOT IT.

IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT CHANGING TO DDH WHEN WE MAY WANT TO BE CHANGING IT TO LIMITED RESIDENTIAL? SO LIMITED RESIDENTIAL IS A LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THIS SIR, MR. GRISWOLD? UH, YES.

UM, SO WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO REZONE THIS FROM RURAL TO DDH.

ALRIGHT, NOW IN THE WRITEUP HERE, THE STAFF HAS PROPOSED CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM RURAL TO LIMITED RESIDENTIAL.

AND YOU JUST MENTIONED JUST NOW THAT THAT IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO LIMITED RESIDENTIAL.

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LLRD WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE ZONE AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING THAT.

SO ONE OF YOUR CHALLENGES IS YOU NEED TO VOTE UP OR DOWN WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS, WHICH IS APPLICANTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR WHICHEVER BASED ZONING THEY WANT.

AND SO, UM, YOU COULD, UM, WHEN WE DO ZONING MAP UPDATES, NOT JUST REFERRING TO THIS PROJECT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHTS TO CHANGE ZONING IN LAND USE OR IN ZONING MAP CHANGES.

BUT A LOT OF THAT DOES NEED TO COME WITH SOME SCIENCE.

WE CAN'T SPOT ZONE, WE CAN'T DO SOME OTHER THINGS.

IT HAS TO COME A LITTLE BIT WITH DATA BEHIND IT.

UM, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UM, TO BRING FORWARD THE PLAN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT.

WHAT IS THE DENSITY, UM, DISCREPANCY BETWEEN A DDH AND AN LRD? SO, UM, DDH GOES UP TO $5 UNITS AN ACRE, AND THEN LRD IS ONE, IS ONE DO UNIT AN ACRE.

AND I GUESS LIKE NORMALLY, UH, LLRD IS USED AS LIKE A TRANSITIONARY ZONE TO KIND OF GO FROM THAT SUBURBAN TO THAT RULE, UH, WHICH IS, UM, ONE DWELLING UNIT EVERY THREE ACRES.

AND SO JUST KINDA AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN SHELTON MILL ROAD KINDA OUT TO SAND HILL AND EVERYTHING, UH, YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE MUCH MORE, UH, RURAL SUBDIVISIONS.

I MEAN WE HAVE LIKE A LOT OF CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICTS OUT THERE.

AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN EVEN THOSE THAT ARE CLUSTERED, I MEAN THEY'RE STILL KIND OF AT THE DENSITY OF ONE DWELLING UNIT EVERY THREE ACRES.

AND SO WE USE THE LIMITED RESIDENTIAL AS A TRANSITIONARY ZONE TO THAT.

BUT THE PROPOSED, UM, DWELLING PER ACRE IS 2.4, WHICH BASED OFF OF A MAP IN OUR, UM, UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM A PDD REQUEST IS EQUAL TO OR GREATLY REDUCED FROM WHAT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THAT ENTIRE AREA.

AND I THINK SOME OF THE DILEMMA FOR THE COUNCIL IS YOU HAVE TO TRANSITION SOMEWHERE AND WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT RESTS IN YOUR HANDS.

MM-HMM, .

UM, AND I WOULD SAY FROM A SERVICES STANDPOINT, YOU'VE HEARD ME HARP ON THIS ABOUT SOME OTHER AREAS, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID WHEN WE'RE PRO NOT PROVIDING SERVICES IN AN AREA OF TOWN TO ANY TYPE OF DENSITY, A MUCH BIGGER CHALLENGE THAN WHEN WE ARE ALREADY PROVIDING SERVICES IN A SPECIFIC AREA WHERE EXISTING SIMILAR DENSITIES EXIST.

MEANING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THEN, UM, FOR KATRINA'S TEAM AND ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, THEY'RE ALREADY RUNNING ROUTES IN THAT AREA.

YES, EVENTUALLY WE HAVE TO ADD PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT TO SERVICE ALL OF THIS, BUT IT'S NOT A TON OF NEW ROUTES.

IT'S EXPECTED.

SO THIS BECOMES A VERY GRAY AREA IN TERMS OF THIS IS WHERE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS GET TO DECIDE.

SO YOU'RE WELCOME.

FOLLOW ON QUESTION.

UM, SO THE STAFF WOULD PREFER A LIMITED RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

IF, IF THAT WINDS UP BEING WHERE WE GO WITH THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT'S STILL TOO DENSE FOR THAT 'CAUSE IT, IT SAYS OUT THERE STILL WOULD NOT ALIGN WITH THE DESIGNATION, ALTHOUGH THERE WOULD BE LESS OF A DISCREPANCY.

SO EVEN IF WE CHANGE IT TO L WHAT IS IT LR LIMITED RESIDENTIAL USE, THIS DEVELOPMENT STILL EXCEEDS WHAT YOU RECOMMEND.

YES.

AND SO THE, AND SO THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY ALLOWED HOUSING UNITS, THE UNITS PROPOSED, I THINK IT'S LIKE 1 57 AND I THINK WHAT THE, WHAT THAT WOULD ALLOW, I THINK ON KIND OF WHAT'S BUILDABLE NOT ON JUST KIND OF THE TOTAL ACREAGE WOULD BE ABOUT 120.

AND SO I, I THINK KIND OF, AND, AND ALSO STAFF IS LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE.

AND SO WE'RE NOT JUST KINDA LOOKING AT THESE DEVELOPMENTS OF JUST KIND OF ONE 20 COMING IN HERE OR ONE 50 COMING IN HERE.

LIKE WE SEE THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND KINDA WHAT THAT EQUALS TO, LIKE I WAS SAYING, UH, KIND OF HOW WE'RE GROWING AT THAT 22 TO 2,500 A YEAR.

AND THEN KIND OF LOOKING AT THE BUILDABLE LOTS THAT ALREADY EXIST OF THE NUMBER OF 7,200 THAT'S IN OTHER PDDS.

AND THEN JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE LOTS THAT ARE COMING IN AS THEY GO AND PLACES WHERE WE HAVEN'T PLANNED FOR THEM.

UM, JUST DOING THE MATH IN CERTAIN AREAS.

I MEAN, THESE ARE POLITICAL DECISIONS THAT CAN EQUAL A MUCH GREATER NUMBER THAN KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT.

AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THAT'S THE GROWTH THAT PUTS US ON A TRAJECTORY TO HIT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, THAT 92 TO LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE BY 2030.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT'S THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE ENTIRE PICTURE, NOT JUST THE SINGULAR DEVELOPMENTS, BUT DOES STAFF STILL STAND BEHIND THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL? YES.

YOU'VE GOT RURAL THINGS ADJACENT TO IT.

BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL EIGHT TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION? YEP.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND, AND AGAIN, THAT DECISION, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON, ON THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN AND YOU GOT A PREVIEW OF WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS.

SO IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE WE HAVE YET TO ADOPT THE NEWEST VERSION OF THE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, THIS WOULD BE ADJUSTED AT THAT TIME AS, AS PLAN DIRECTOR TALKED ABOUT CORRECTIONS.

YOU KNOW, TH THIS IS, THIS IS UP TO YOU.

ULTIMATELY THE RE RECOMMENDATION IS A PURE PLANNING EXERCISE TRYING TO STICK WITH THAT.

AND YES, IT, THE PREFERENCE IS USUALLY YOU DO STAY WITH THE LAND USE PLAN.

THIS AREA IS, UM,

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YOU'VE GOT DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND THIS IS WHY IT FALLS A LITTLE BIT GRAY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IS THAT YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS GOING ON IN THIS AREA.

SO BEST PLANNING PRINCIPLES IS WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

UM, HOWEVER, PLANNING COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY WENT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION UNANIMOUSLY AND THEY RECOMMEND TO YOU AND YOU'RE THE FINAL AUTHORITY.

AND I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION EARLIER TODAY, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY, WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE A NEW, UM, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN BEING DEVELOPED AND PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL? SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ALREADY SEEN THAT AND THERE'S BEEN SOME TWEAKS MADE.

WE WILL NEXT SCHEDULE.

UM, YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET AN EMAIL FROM ME ABOUT PROBABLY NEARING FIVE OR SIX WORK SESSIONS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE THIS SUMMER, THAT, THAT HAVE TO HAVE TO DO WITH BUDGET, LAND USE PLAN, UM, JOINT SESSION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

AND SO ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE GOTTA GET SCHEDULED IN A SMATTERING OF DATES IS, I, YOU'LL HEAR FROM ME THIS WEEK ON THIS IS A JOINT SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FIRST LOOK AT WHERE ALL OF THAT STANDS.

WE INTRODUCED YOU EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

NOW MOST OF THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

IT'S PRESENTED TO YOU FOR INFORMATION AND DIALOGUE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEN IT WILL FORMALLY GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

NO CHANGES WOULD BE MADE AT THAT TIME FOR ADOPTION AND, AND RECOMMENDATION TO YOU OF APPROVAL OF WHATEVER THEY DECIDE THAT IS.

AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IT ON YOUR AGENDA.

SO I DON'T KNOW TIMEFRAME WISE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, BUT PROBABLY AROUND THERE FOR OR BEGINNING TO GET APPROVALS THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE BODIES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNSEL? UH, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD SON.

I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP, UH, SOMETHING.

I THINK I HEARD THAT, UH, LIMITED RESIDENTIAL WOULD ALLOW FOR, UH, 120, UM, BY ROUGH MATH, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE 65.

OH, NO, NO, NO, NO, I'M SORRY.

YEAH.

SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT LIMITED RESIDENTIAL WOULD ALLOW AND WHAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD ALLOW IS ROUGHLY 120, LIKE I SAID.

SO BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THAT, LIKE NOT MAJORITY OF THE 65, BUT A LARGE PORTION OF THE SIX FIVE ACRES ACTUALLY ISN'T BUILDABLE BECAUSE OF THE GRADE AND THE SLOPE ON IT.

UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE, IN, IN THE REPORT.

SO I, I THINK IF YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET ONE ONE, UH, YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET ABOUT 65 1 ACRE LOTTS, BUT A LOT OF THAT WOULDN'T BE BUILDABLE.

SO YOU'D REALLY ONLY BE ABLE TO GET ABOUT, ABOUT 40, MAYBE 30 OR SO IN THERE.

SO YEAH, DUE TO TOPOGRAPHY AND SO ON, IF YOU GO WITH THE LIMITED RESIDENTIAL, YES, IT WOULD LOWER TREMENDOUSLY THE AMOUNT BECAUSE DENSITY HAS TO BE LOWER AND YOU CAN'T MAKE A LOT SMALLER THAN ONE ACRE.

UNLESS YOU DO A CONSERVATION OVERLAY, WHICH I'M NOT SURE THIS IS IN THAT DISTRICT.

I'M, IT'S NOT.

I'M SCRIBBLING FURIOUSLY HERE, BUT I I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S A HOUSE FOR EVERY QUARTER OF AN ACRE OR SO, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.

DID YOU, YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, AND COUNCILMAN COPELAND HAD ASKED ME THIS EARLIER IN THE WEEK.

YOU SPREAD DENSITY OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL.

SO EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THIS ISN'T BUILDABLE AS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT'S IT'S DIVIDED BY THE ACREAGE IN WHICH IT SITS.

SO YES, FOR UNBUILDABLE PROPERTY, WE DON'T DEDUCT FOR THAT.

THIS AT DDHI STRONGLY, STRONGLY, STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU PROCEED.

WE DO AN OPEN SPACE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO COUNT SWIMMING POOLS AND THINGS, BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT.

UM, FOR DENSITY, IT'S A PURE CALCULATION OF THE NUMBER OF, OF DWELLING UNITS ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S, AND, AND THE ACREAGE.

THAT'S WHY THAT CALCULATES THAT WAY.

THANKS.

I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY A, LOOKS TO ME LIKE A FINAL PHASE OF, OF MIMS TRAIL AND IT, IT ASKING US TO BRING THIS INTO THAT PDD, IT'S MATCHING THE OVERALL DENSITY THAT WE HAVE IN, IN MIMS TRAIL ALREADY.

WE'RE NOT ASKING TO GO MORE DENSE.

THE I KNOW, I REALIZE THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS.

SO OVERALL, I, I RESPECT WHAT THE STAFF HAS TO SAY AND I DON'T DISAGREE.

I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AREA WHERE WE GET TO A, TO A LESS DENSE AS WE GET OUT.

I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO ME BASED ON WHERE IT IS AND THE ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS TO MATCH THE EXISTING DENSITY, FINISH OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE AND, AND, AND, AND LOOK TO SPREAD THAT DENSITY OUT ON THE OTHER AREAS.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME NATURAL AREAS HERE WITH RIVERS AND RAVINES AND WHATEVER.

I NOT WALK THE PROPERTY THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAT YOU WOULD SPREAD THAT DENSITY OUT AS YOU GET FURTHER OUT BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL BARRIERS THAT ARE IN PLACE.

SO OVERALL, I I, BECAUSE OF ITS MATCHING, IT'S NOT GOING INTO ANYTHING ELSE.

I DO SUPPORT IT.

UH, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S, UH, FINE WITH, WITH WHAT'S THERE.

AND I, I DO SUPPORT WHAT IT BEING KIND OF A FINAL PART OF MIMS TRAIL FROM WHAT I CAN, FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER AND WHAT I CAN SEE.

AND IF I MAY, AND AS I ALWAYS REMIND YOU ABOUT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, IF YOU ARE INCLINED TO APPROVE

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YES.

UM, WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY, BECAUSE WHILE THE DEVELOPER IS ASKING FOR THAT, THAT ASSURES YOU THAT THE DENSITY STAYS AT WHAT'S REFLECTED HERE AS OPPOSED TO THE FIVE UNITS AN ACRE.

SO A LOT OF DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN VERY STAUNCH ABOUT DOING THINGS THIS WAY THAT DOES GIVE YOU ASSURANCE THAT THE DENSITY WON'T BE GREATER THAN THIS OR IT HAS TO COME BACK THROUGH, UM, AND GET RE-APPROVED.

I THINK, I THINK, UM, MAX BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.

I THINK IT'S THE FINAL BUILD OUT OF MIMS TRAIL AND I, I CERTAINLY, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT IT MYSELF.

ANYONE ELSE? TOMMY AND MAX? I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS.

IF, IF THIS WAS OUT BY ITSELF AND IT WAS A BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WERE GONNA BE DELIVERING ALL OF OUR SERVICES TO 'EM, I WOULD LOOK AT THIS DIFFERENTLY.

BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S LESS DENSE IN EVERYTHING AROUND IT, IT, AND WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING SERVICES, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

I, I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING AHEAD.

LINDSEY WITH THE ROLL CALL.

WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM BACK OVER.

ITEM NINE B TWO IS A REQUEST TO APPLY THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DESIGNATION TO APPROXIMATELY 65.28 ACRES OF PROPERTY IN THE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING ZONE, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHERN EXTENSION OF MEMS TRAIL SUBDIVISION.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT ITS MAY 9TH MEETING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

I'LL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANYONE THE COUNCIL, HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

ALL RIGHT, SEE YOU.

HEARING NONE.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ON THIS TOPIC, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.

NO, WE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? WELL, I THINK, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK TO APPROVE THIS SO THAT WE DO, UM, SECURE THE DENSITY AT 2.4 AND NINE.

5.5, WHICH IS, UM, WHAT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT IS ALREADY INMAN'S TRAIL, THE OTHER DIVISION, UH, SUBDIVISIONS.

ANYONE ELSE? I AGREE.

MS. WOOD.

ITEM NINE C ONE ESTABLISHES TWO STOP SIGNS FOR FARMVILLE LAKES PHASE TWO AND SIX, UNANIMOUS CONSENT AS NECESSARY.

LINDSEY DAWSON? YES, MA'AM.

BEAR WITH ME ON THIS ITEM.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE THEY INVOLVE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS.

[9.c. Traffic control signs and devices. Unanimous consent necessary.]

I YOU THIS ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND SEE ONE THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, LINDSAY, WITH ROLL CALL.

ITEM NINE C TWO ESTABLISHES ONE STOP SIGN FOR FARMVILLE LAKES PHASE EIGHT.

I INTRODUCE TO ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

SECOND, I HAVE MOTION.

SECOND, SEE, WILL THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD TO THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.

LINDSEY WARNER? YES MA'AM.

ITEM NINE C3 ESTABLISHES TWO STOP SIGNS FOR THE LANDINGS AT ACADEMY PHASE TWO.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.

I'LL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.

SECOND.

MOTION SECOND.

ANYONE ON THE COUNCILS UP PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD AND VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? ALRIGHT.

SEEING, HEARING NONE, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, LINDSEY, FOR THE ROLL CALL.

AND FINALLY, ITEM NINE C FOUR ESTABLISHES ONE STOP SIGN FOR SPYGLASS SUBDIVISION.

PHASE ONE, UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.

WHY DON'T YOU DO THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT? SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM, MOVE FORWARD THE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ROLL CALL LINDSEY, PLEASE.

[10.a. Tax abatement. Leehwa SCM, Inc. Auburn Technology Park South.]

ITEM 10 A

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AUTHORIZES A TAX ABATEMENT FOR LEWA SCM INCORPORATED FOR THE PURCHASE OF AN EXISTING MANUFACTURING FACILITY AND NEW MANUFACTURING MACHINERY TO BE LOCATED AT 1 3 6 ENTERPRISE DRIVE IN AUBURN TECHNOLOGY PARK SOUTH.

THE COMPANY ANTICIPATES HIRING 18 NEW EMPLOYEES AND INVESTING APPROXIMATELY $3.35 MILLION MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

MOTION IS SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? APPRECIATE, UH, ENTHUSIASM, CHIEF.

ALRIGHT, GOOD TO GET ROLLING.

, CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

A AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION CARRIES.

MAYOR, THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS OF BUSINESS WE HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.

OPEN THE CITIZENS OPEN FORM.

AT THIS TIME, WE'LL

[12. CITIZENS’ OPEN FORUM.]

IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND PLEASE ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

YES, SIR.

STEVE COSGROVE, 1927 WATER CREST DRIVE.

AND AGAIN, ONE MORE TIME.

I'D JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO ALL THE LEADERSHIP OF AUBURN.

THAT'S JUST A BROAD BRUSH.

SKIP GETTING ALL OF YOU AND, UH, AND ALL THE STAFF OF AUBURN BECAUSE IT, YOU JUST CONTINUALLY DISPLAY THE EFFORTS AND COMMITMENT AND DEDICATION TO THE WELLBEING OF AUBURN.

AND I JUST, IT'S JUST AMAZING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

HAD A REALLY PRODUCTIVE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH ALLISON HALL TODAY AND HOUSTON MANNING ONE OF HER RIGHT HAND PERSONS WITH THE AUBURN PARKS AND RECREATION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, ALLISON.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS PERSONABLE.

IT WAS PROFESSIONAL, IT WAS PRODUCTIVE.

AND, AND, AND, UH, REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I DID FIND OUT THAT PERFECTION CAN BE IMPROVED ON.

SO, UH, I'M COMPLETELY WIDE OPEN TO ANY IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS AND SO FORTH AND, AND, UH, UH, THAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO IMPROVE, IMPROVE ON THIS RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS A MINI VERSION OF THE, OF THE FOREFOOT BY EIGHT FOOT DISPLAY RENDITION THAT ONE DAY.

IT MAY, IT MAY BE IN DISPLAYED SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW TO, TO, BUT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, UH, SO MUCH FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY, ALLISON AND, AND, AND HOUSTON.

THAT WAS VERY, VERY, UH, MEANINGFUL TODAY.

THANK YOU ALL.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL A LOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MR. COSGROVE.

WE'LL BE NEXT.

MY NAME IS ROBERT WILKINS, 2 61 DENTSON DRIVE, AUBURN, ALABAMA.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THE LACK OF DECORUM WOULD A BUSINESS ALLOW OWNER, ALLOW HIS EMPLOYEES TO LOSE THEIR DECORUM AND KEEP THEIR JOB? I CAN PICK UP GUIDELINES FOR THE CITIZEN DECORUM AT THE DOOR, UH, AT EACH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

BUT WHEN WILL THE COUNCIL AND ITS MAYOR HAVE THE DECORUM GUIDELINES? COUNCILMAN DAWSON CONTINUES TO TAKE MY SPEECH OUT OF CONTENT TEXTS, BUT ONE THING HE CONTINUES TO DEFEND IS HIS HONOR AND THE POLICE FORCE THAT HE ONCE WAS A PART OF.

WHILE I'M HERE TO DEFEND MY HONOR, FIRST, I DID NOT ATTEND THE, UH, NEXT TWO MEETINGS AFTER THE APRIL 2ND, 2024 MEETING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF CLASS SHOWN BY OUR MAYOR AGAINST AN AUBURN CITIZEN.

THAT'S ME, MYSELF.

SECOND, IF I HAD ATTENDED THOSE TWO MEETINGS, MY DECORUM WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE SAME CALIBER AS MAYOR ANDERS, WHO HAS NO GUIDELINES TO FOLLOW.

I WAS CALLED A LIAR IN THE PUBLIC FORM THROUGH THESE WORDS CONCERNING AUBURN CITY COUNCIL SALARY INCREASE THAT WAS VOTED ON BACK ON MARCH THE THIRD, 2020 BY THE MAYOR AND FIVE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR'S OWN WORD.

AT THE APRIL 2ND, 2024 COUNCIL MEETING QUOTE, I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID EARLIER.

I HAVE NEVER CASTED A VOTE THAT PREVENTED THIS COUNCIL FROM RECEIVING A RAISE.

I'VE NEVER DONE THAT.

BUT I DON'T, UH, DON'T, UH, LET THE TRUTH, BUT DON'T LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR NARRATIVE, MR. WILKINS.

AS LONG AS YOU KEEP REPEATING THOSE THINGS, SOMEONE WILL REPEAT THEM SOMEWHERE.

SO I ASSUME IF THIS QUOTE IS CORRECT BY YOU, MAYOR, THE AUBURN, UH, OPELIKA NEWS AND THE AUBURN VILLAGE ARE ON MARCH THE 4, 20 20 PUBLICATION, THAT THEY WERE LIARS IN THAT ARTICLE.

THAT BOTH THOSE ARTICLES, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS LAST RECEIVED A RAISE IN 2006, A RESOLUTION TO INCREASE THE COMPENSATION OF FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM $600 A MONTH TO $1,200 FAILED WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS DIXON WITIN AND TAYLOR VOTING FOR THE MEASURE.

LET ME REPEAT AGAIN.

DIXON WITIN AND TAYLOR MAYOR, IT IS, IT HAS NOT BEEN BECAUSE OF YOUR INTENSE DETERMINATION TO PASS OVER THIS 32 88 SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

FOR WHATEVER REASON, I, I WOULD NOT BE ATTENDING

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THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS.

INSTEAD, I WOULD BE AT HOME TAKING CARE OF MY WIFE WHILE DOING MY AIRBNB, PAYING TWICE THE AMOUNT IN SALES TAX, THE PROPERTY TAX THAT I PAY WHILE CAUSING NO PROBLEMS TO MY FELLOW NEIGHBORHOOD CITIZENS.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

WHO WILL BE NEXT? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS.

ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAVE ANYTHING? UM, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LUNCH TODAY WITH UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE MIKE ROGERS.

APPRECIATE HIM COMING THROUGH TOWN AND CHECKING ON EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH AUBURN.

WE'RE CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR HIS SUPPORT.

UM, HE HAS, UH, ASSISTED US WITH A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, WHETHER IT'S THE NEW COMMUNICATION LIGHTS, UH, SIGNS THAT WE'LL HAVE ON THE INTERSTATE, UH, A NEW WATER PROJECT, UM, UM, OR OUR NEW A CDI BUILDING THAT WE'RE, IS COMING OUTTA THE GROUND AS WE SPEAK.

UH, REPRESENTATIVE ROGERS BEEN A GREAT ASSET, OUR COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS AND IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE LUNCH WITH HIM TODAY.

ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR.

MR. D, MR. MAYOR, I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING.

UM, ACCORDING TO TO STATE LAW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT EXCEPT WHEN A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

IS THAT TRUE? THAT THAT IS ACCURATE? THE CITIZENS' COMMUNICATIONS YOU OFFER TWICE ON YOUR AGENDA RIGHT.

ARE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL AND YOUR COUNCIL RULES? YEAH, AND, AND WE ADDED THOSE TWO OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TWO COUNCILS AGO, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2018 BECAUSE PRIOR TO THAT, CITIZENS ONLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ONCE AND IT WAS THE END OF A MEETING AFTER EVERYTHING HAD BEEN ADJUDICATED OR DELIBERATED.

SO THIS COUNCIL'S GONE OUT OF ITS WAY TO, TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK THINGS THAT, AGAIN, ARE NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED BY LAW, WHERE I THINK WE'RE, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ON, UH, PROVIDING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF US UP HERE.

SITTING AROUND AND LISTENING TO ALL THESE THINGS.

THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK.

WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY AND, AND I'M GLAD THAT Y'ALL HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT.

UH, AND THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT IS THE, UH, STR ORDINANCE HAS BEEN, UM, LITIGATED, I BELIEVE THREE SEPARATE TIMES NOW AT THE CITY, AT THE COUNTY, AND AT THE ALABAMA SUPREME COURT.

AND ON ALL THREE OCCASIONS, THE THE RULING WAS ON IN BEHALF OR ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ALL THAT OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, UH, AS WE KNOW IT, IT REMAINS.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

AND IT'S BEEN ADJUDICATED THREE TIMES IN, IN COURTS ENVIRONMENTS.

SO AGAIN, I I THINK THAT THAT, UM, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ON, UH, IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT UP HERE AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEMS AND THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN RULED ACCEPTABLE.

YES, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY I DON'T RECALL A TIME WHERE YOU WERE AGAINST THE CITY COUNCIL GETTING A RAISE.

I FEEL LIKE THAT'S UNFAIR TO THE MAYOR AND YOU'RE CORRECT ABOUT ONE THING.

I WILL SUPPORT THE POLICE EVERY TIME UNLESS THEY'RE WRONG.

IF THEY'RE WRONG, THEN THEY GOTTA BE DEALT WITH LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.

BUT I'M GOING TO COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF POLICE AND I'VE SEEN JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND, UH, BUT IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER TO GET UP HERE AND, UH, LOW RATE ME AND GO RIGHT AHEAD.

'CAUSE I'VE BEEN LOW RATED BY A LOT BETTER THAN YOU PROBABLY, PROBABLY WILL IN THE FUTURE.