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          >> WE WILL CALL TO ORDER TONIGHT'S COMMITTEE OF THE 
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WHOLE FOR AUGUST 20, 2024. CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 6. ANY MOTION TO -- WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE . ANY OPPOSED? THE MINUTES ARE 
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CARRIED FORTH. BEFORE WE MOVE INTO QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA I KNOW COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD HAS A COUPLE OF THINGS HE WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD. WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'VE GIVEN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER A COPY. THERE ARE TWO ITEMS I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND DECIDE IF THEY WANT THE STAFF TO PROVIDE INPUT AT THE NEXT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. THE FIRST IS THE STATE'S RECENT DECISION TO EXEMPT SALES TAX. TAXES ON HEARING AIDS, AGRICULTURAL FENCING AND HONEYBEES. I WAS UNAWARE OF THESE BILLS UNTIL WE RECEIVED A LEGISLATIVE UPDATE FROM THE CITY MANAGER RECENTLY RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT WHO USE THE ARBOR UNIVERSITY SPEECH AND HEARING CLINIC. THE THREE BILLS DO NOT AFFECT INVISIBLE TAXATION, BUT DOES BEG THE QUESTION SHALL WE FOLLOW THE STATES LEAD? I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THE CITY MANAGER TO ASSESS THE IMPACT IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW THE STATES LEAD. 
          >> WHY DON'T WE START WITH THAT ONE. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER 
          FOLLOW-UP COMMENTS? >> I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THAT FIGHT. IN THE PAST WE HAVE PAID A LOT OF ATTENTION TO WHAT THE STATE RULES. SINCE THE STATE SOFFIT TO DO THIS, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD AT LEAST ASK OURSELVES IF WE WANTED TO DO IT. 
          >> SURE. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A TIME OF DELIBERATION. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OPINION OR THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU JUST READ OR WHAT MR. GRISWOLD IS PROPOSING? HE IS PROPOSING WE TAKE TIME AT A FUTURE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          >> MAYOR, IF I MAY . I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO DO ANY LEGWORK. I THINK IT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. ON THESE TWO PARTICULAR ITEMS I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF NOT TAKING THE TAXATION AWAY FROM CITY TAXATION. ONE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SELL MANY PLACES IN AUBURN THAT FELL AGRICULTURAL FENCES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN FIND ANYPLACE. THE HEARING AID, I PERSONALLY HAVE RELATIVES THAT CANNOT HEAR. 
          HEARING AIDS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AS IT IS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I WOULD CERTAINLY BE FOR THAT. I DO THINK YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. IT CAN BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE YOU GET ON THAT TYPE OF STUFF. THESE TWO PARTICULAR ITEMS I WILL DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR OF. THERE IS NO TAX ON LIVESTOCK FEED ALREADY. I DON'T THINK IT IS SOLD IN AUBURN. BUT I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT THE EXTRA WORK ON IT. I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING AND TELL US -- MAYBE WE CAN ASK MEGAN TONIGHT. IS THERE ANYWAY YOU CAN TELL WHAT THE EFFECT 
          WOULD BE ON THIS? >> NO, SIR. THERE IS NO WAY TO MEASURE THAT. DIFFERENT COMPANIES SELL THEM AND WE GET SALES TAXES IN THE AGGREGATE. IT IS MORE IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS. TO DATE TO OUR KNOWLEDGE IT'S ONLY THE CITY OF MADISON THAT HAS ADOPTED THE HEARING A THING. OTHERWISE THEY TAXES ARE EXEMPTED STATEWIDE BUT NOT LOCAL. I DON'T SEE ANY WAY YOU COULD DO THE RESEARCH AND TELL US WHAT WAY -- WHAT IS GOING TO COST US. I CERTAINLY THINK THE COST WOULD BE MINIMAL TO THE CITY. I THINK IT WOULD GIVE THE CITIZENS A BREAK ON 
          THAT. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. ANYONE 
          ELSE? >> IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION FROM THE STATE FOR US TO ADOPT SIMILAR? 
          >> ANY LEGISLATIVE SESSION IF YOU IF YOU OF THESE. SOMETIMES THERE ARE STATEWIDE ISSUES. VERY RARELY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND I WILL HAVE MY FINANCE DIRECTOR CORRECT ME, WE HAVE 
          NOT ADOPTED SUCH ITEMS. >> WE HAVE NOT. WE SEE THIS TYPICALLY TO BE OPTIONAL. WE HAVE NOT ADOPTED ANYTHING. 
          >> THERE ARE MORE EXEMPTIONS PERHAPS OUT THERE THAN JUST 
          THESE? >> YES. 
          >> NOT THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, BUT A HANDFUL OF THEM 
          EACH LEGISLATIVE SESSION. >> THERE IS OFTEN SOME SPECIFIC THING SOMEBODY IN SOME DISTRICT OF THE STATE IS TRYING TO GET AT AND THEN GETS THE BILL PASSED. IT IS ULTIMATELY UP TO THE COUNCIL. AS COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD SAID, IT IS IN YOUR LEGISLATIVE REPORT.  HE HAS SHARE THE INFORMATION FROM ONE CONSTITUENT WHO IS ASKING ABOUT HEARING AID. 
          >> IT IS FAIR TO SAY THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF ITEMS 
          THAT THE STATE EXAMS? >> YES. 
          >> AND WE HAVE ADOPTED? >> ZERO. 
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          >> GOT IT. YOU KNOW, I WILL REMIND THE COUNCIL THIS PAST WEEK WE WENT THROUGH OUR BUDGET AND SALES TAX REPRESENTS ALMOST 50% OF THE REVENUES THAT WE COLLECT AND THAT WE PROVIDE SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE DO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT DONE I BELIEVE IN ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA. WE GIVE 30% OF OUR LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE TO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT MAKE THESE TYPES OF DECISIONS, THE LEGISLATORS WHO REPRESENT THESE MUNICIPALITIES, MY GUESS WOULD BE, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF THAT HIS LOCAL MINUTES THE PALLET HE DOES NOT GET 30% OF THEIR LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE TO THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO. THEY MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND ASK US ALL TO LIVE BY THEM FROM A STATEWIDE PERSPECTIVE. CERTAINLY HOW WE DO BUSINESS AND OUR CULTURE IN HARVARD IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES. I THINK IT IS WORTH REMEMBERING THAT AS WE POTENTIALLY CONSIDER THIS. I THINK CHIEF DAWSON IS RIGHT . 
          WHERE DOES THIS END? I THINK EVERY YEAR OR I BELIEVE EVERY YEAR THE LEGISLATURE CONVENES IN MONTGOMERY THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO CUT OUT SALES TAX FOR SOMETHING. AGAIN, WE ARE A SALES TAX GOVERNMENT. IT'S HOW WE RUN IN ALABAMA. IT IS JUST SOMETHING FOR US TO STRONGLY CONSIDER. 
          >> AGAIN, I DON'T INTEND TO DELIBERATE THIS THIS EVENING. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS ENOUGH INTEREST IN THE COUNCIL FOR US TO LOOK AT IT IN THE FUTURE. THAT IS MY INTENT. 
          >> GO AHEAD, TYLER. >> IF WE WERE TO TAKE THIS UP AND WE WERE TO LOOK AT IT, WE WILL PROBABLY BE OBLIGED ALSO TO LOOK BACKWARDS AS WELL. I AM SURE THERE ARE OTHER MEDICAL DEVICES OR THINGS THAT ARE EXEMPT. THAT ACTUALLY COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IT MAY APPEAR TODAY THAT IS JUST HEARING AIDS, BUT THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE THAT IF WE DECIDED TO TAKE ON HEARING AIDS THAT WE MIGHT THEN FEEL COMPELLED TO ALSO INCLUDE IN THAT. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO CONSIDER IF 
          YOU TOOK THIS MATTER. >> SO MY QUESTION TO THE COUNCIL IS NOW MR. GRISWOLD I THINK OUR NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 3, AND MEGAN IS THAT REASONABLE IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO ASK THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH INFORMATION THAT'S TWO 
          WEEKS FROM NOW. >> WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ADAMS -- COUNCILMAN ADAMS IS TALKING ABOUT THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE TOM. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS AND OTHER THINGS AND THAT IS NOT ADEQUATE TIME. YOUR STANDARD PROTOCOL IS TO DISCUSS IT THERE AND IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION. IF FIVE OF YOU AGREE TO NOT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT ANOTHER NIGHT LET THAT MORPH INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. 
          >> THE FIVE OF US WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE CAN ESTABLISH A DATE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. 
          >> AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT ON THE THIRD. I AM SAYING OUR ABILITY TO PREPARE, WE WILL NOT BE READY ON THE THIRD. 
          >> LET ME SAY THIS, I AM NOT ADVOCATING HAVING STAFF GO INTO A BUNCH OF RESEARCH ON THIS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. 
          WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY ALREADY. THEY ARE CERTAINLY BUSY ENOUGH DOING WHAT THEY DO. WHAT ARE WE VOTING FOR? I THINK SOMETIMES WE SIT UP HERE AND ASK STAFF TO DO STUFF TO TAKE LONGER THAN WE REALIZE. IT IS EASY TO ASK AND THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN LIKE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T. I DON'T WANT TO PUT MORE BURDEN ON THEM THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE ON THEM. 
          >> I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT MR. GRISWOLD IS ASKING. I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR US TO HAVE A OPEN DISCUSSION. 
          >> I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THE STATE OVER TIME HAS STRIPPED OUT . I KNOW WE DO A TAX-FREE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL THING A COUPLE TIMES. THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO KILL US. AGAIN, THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO AN EMAIL IN PARTICULAR FROM A CONSTITUENT THAT ASKS IF WE 
          WOULD LOOK AT IT. >> DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AT THE NEXT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON SEPTEMBER 3? IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT  PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? >> YES, SIR. 
          >> ALL RIGHT, THERE ARE FIVE. WILL SET UP FOR SEPTEMBER 3. 
          JUST DISCUSSION. WE ARE NOT ASKING THE STAFF TO DO ANY 
          RESEARCH, JUST TO DISCUSS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          >> THE SECOND ITEM IN OUR BOOKS THAT THE COUNCIL GETS EACH WEEK 
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THERE IS A AGENDA SUMMARY ITEM FOR EACH ITEM. AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SUMMARY PAGE IS A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THIS IS A BUDGETING ITEM? TO DATE WE HAVE JUST SAID YES OR NO. IF THE ANSWER IS YES I BELIEVE IT TO BE USEFUL TO ALL OF US, BUT I KNOW IT WILL BE USEFUL TO ME TO INCLUDE A REFERENCE AS TO WHERE THE BUDGET THAT CAN BE FOUND. THE CITY MANAGER SENT AN EMAIL EARLIER THIS WEEK SAYING IF A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO INCLUDE THIS INFORMATION ON THE AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY SHEET MOVING FORWARD I WILL GLADLY PROVIDE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE COUNCIL OR ANYBODY AGREES ON THAT AND IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER? I IMAGINE IT'S A 
          COUPLE OF KEYSTROKES. >> I DON'T SEE PUTTING IN EXTRA WORK ON THE STAFF. I THINK IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE PAGER NUMBER YOU CAN CALL THE CITY MANAGER AND SHE CAN TELL YOU. I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD GET THAT MANY REQUESTS. I KNOW I DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO SEE IT. ONCE WE APPROVE THE BUDGET IF THEY SAY IT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. IF YOU CERTAINLY -- YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT EVERY TIME. I MAY BE WRONG. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? >> WHAT WILL BE THE EASIEST ROUTE SHOULD SOMEBODY WANT THAT INFORMATION? WOULD IT BE TO CONTACT YOU DIRECTLY OR WOULD IT BE EASIER TO JUST INCLUDE IT 
          LINE BY LINE? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR DEPARTMENTAL PAGES AND A LOT OF CONTRACTS RESIDE IN SOMETHING LIKE COMMODITIES. THAT IS ALWAYS GOING TO SHOW YOU. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE PAGE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WE CAN DO THAT. THERE IS A CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND OUTLAY PLAN. DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS IT IS THE SAME SET OF PAGE NUMBERS. THINGS THAT RESIDE IN DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS ARE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP AS AN INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM ANYWAY. I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. WHEN YOU GET INTO THINGS LIKE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN YOU CAN SEE IT IS IN THERE. IF IT IS A $32 MILLION BUDGET THERE IS NOT A FURTHER BREAKDOWN IN A LOT OF SUBCATEGORIES IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOUR LENS IS. PERIODICALLY I WILL GET A CALL FROM SOMEONE THAT WAS A WHERE PHYSICAL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN? IT'S TOTALLY FINE. I CAN SAY FOR ME TO GO BACK, BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE AGENDA GOES OUT, FOR ME TO GO BACK AND ANSWER NINE DIFFERENT COUNCILMEMBER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE IT RESIDES TAKES ME TIME. ON A WEEKEND OR MONDAY , AND WHILE THAT IS WHAT I AM HERE FOR, IT HELPS TO KNOW WHEN A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANT SOMETHING DONE. THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL IS THEN CHOOSING TO SPEND MY TIME ON SPECIFIC ITEMS AND HELPS ME TO KNOW WHAT YOU PREFER. 
          >> ON THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE VOTING ON THE DETAIL IS IN THE AGENDA PACKET THAT WE RECEIVED. WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ARE WE SEEKING WITH THIS REQUEST? 
          >> MR. GRISWOLD . >> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE INSIGHT INTO WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE BUDGET OTHER THAN A POWERPOINT BRIEFING CHART FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> EXCUSE ME, I THINK I HAVE THE FLOOR. I THINK WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DETAIL OTHER THAN THE GENERAL FUND AND WHATNOT. TO ME IT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL TO KNOW WHERE THESE CONTRACTS FALL. A MAJORITY OF THE CONTRACT ITEMS. YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WE COULD PULL EVERYTHING OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA ONE AFTER THE OTHER AND ASKED FOR THE INFORMATION EACH TIME. I THINK IT WOULD BE A RELATIVELY EASY THING TO PULL UP. IF YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET YES OR NO WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET. IT SHOULD BE A VERY 
          EASY THING TO DOCUMENT. >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> WE DO RECEIVE QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL AT OUR BUDGET PROCESS. 
          WE HAVE A VERY THICK BINDER WITH LOTS OF NUMBERS. THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD OUR HIGH-LEVEL PRESENTATIONS TO DEMONSTRATE PAST ACTIVITY . IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE QUESTION WITH THE DETAIL YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. IF WE DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TIME TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT IS UPON US AS A COUNSELOR. IF WE ARE NOT ASKING THE QUESTIONS THAT THE TIMES WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR A POINT 
          OF CLARIFICATION. >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. GRISWOLD 
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IS COMING FROM. I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND WANTING TO KNOW AND I THINK HE HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW IF HE WANTS TO KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR I WAS THERE FOR ONE DAY AND I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RECORDING FOR THE SECOND DAY, BUT I RENT MY BOOK THROUGH AND THROUGH FOR THE BUDGET MEETING AND I WAS FAIRLY IMPRESSED WITH THE EFFORT. THAT BOOK DIDN'T JUST APPEAR. THERE HAS TO BE WORK PUT IN THERE. I CAN TELL YOU FROM PAST EXPERIENCES WORKING ON A BUDGET IT IS THERE WERE SOME. I LOST A LOT OF SLEEP OVER IT WHEN I WAS POLICE CHIEF. OF COURSE BACK THEN WE DIDN'T GET AS MUCH AS WE PROBABLY SHOULD'VE GOTTEN. 
          >> I DO THINK I SAW A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THE BUDGET. I WAS THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED. I COULD NOT DO IT. I KNOW THAT SEEMS UNBELIEVABLE BECAUSE I CAN DO MOSTLY ANYTHING ELSE. I COULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT KIND OF WORK. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED. I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK. I KNOW PROBABLY A LOT OF LONG DAYS GETTING THAT PREPARED. WILL YOU PUT IT IN THAT BOOK AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS A STAFF YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE IS RIGHT. YOU CANNOT JUST WING IT. I WAS BAD ABOUT TRYING TO WING IT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FACTS. IT TAKES A LOT OF 
          EFFORT. >> I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. 
          JUST SAY IF THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA , I GUESS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE IT IS AT IN THE BUDGET WOULD IT BE A LITTLE, I GUESS, HEART IF THE QUESTION IS ASKED DURING THE MEETING? IT SAYS IT IS IN THE BUDGET TO WHERE IS 
          IT? >> DURING THE MEETING I WOULD NOT BE PREPARED TO ANSWER ON THE FLY. WE DO NOT CARRY OUR BUDGET DOCUMENTS WITH US TO THE MEETING. 
          >> BUT YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING LIKE WELL I CAN LET YOU KNOW. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IN OUR DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS BECAUSE WE DO NOT DO A LINE ITEM BUDGET. IT IS THE AGGREGATE. THE CITY OF HOOVER DOES A SPREADSHEET BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT SAYS EAST DEPARTMENTS PERSONNEL COSTS. 
          OUR RESIDES DIFFERENT AND FAST PERSONAL SERVICES. THAT IS OUR PERSONAL COST FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT. THAT IS IN AN AGGREGATE LINE ITEM AND NOT EACH JOB. IT IS OUT THERE TO SEE. SOMETHING LIKE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, SOMEBODY LIKE PUBLIC WORKS HAS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. LOTS OF DIFFERENT BUILDING AND CLEANING CONTRACTS. 1,000,001 OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW, IF I POINT YOU TO THE PUBLIC WORKS THING BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW CLEANING CONTRACT ALL IS GOING TO SAY IS CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND X DOLLARS. OUR REVIEW WITH EACH DEPARTMENT AT OSMIUM. THEY GET HARD QUESTIONS. A LOT OF THINGS DON'T MAKE THE BUDGET. I SEE ALL OF THOSE LINE ITEM THINGS. 
          IF WE SAY IS IN THE BUDGET IN YOUR BINDER IT IS IN THE BINDER. I DON'T WANT YOU FRUSTRATED. I SENT IT TO THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET THAT HAS FOUR ITEMS. THAT IS FOUR ITEMS IN THE AGGREGATE. THAT IS ALL IS GOING TO TELL YOU. 
          >> THE REASON I WAS ASKING, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ANSWER BEING JUST YES. I WAS WANTING TO MAKE SURE WAY -- WE ARE NOT ASKING SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE EVERY ITEM LISTED THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IN THE BUDGET IT IS. I'M NOT ASKING BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN ISSUE. I WAS WANTING TO KNOW HOW EASY OR HOW HARD IT WOULD BE IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO THIS. 
          >> TO YOUR POINT, YOU ASKED DURING THE MEETING AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WE WILL GET IT TO YOU. 
          >> I AM SATISFIED WITH THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE NEEDED MORE INFORMATION, THEY NEEDED TO DIG TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL AND THE STAFF WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR THEM. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO OUR BUDGET. EVERY TIME WE MAKE A CONSIDERATION THERE IS INFORMATION THERE THAT SUPPORTS THAT DECISION . IF WE ARE STUCK ON IT I AM SURE THE CITY MANAGER WILL TRY TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR OUR DECISION-MAKING. RIGHT NOW I AM 
          SATISFIED. >> ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A VOTE HERE AGAIN ON THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE? 
          >> YOU GOT ANOTHER QUESTION? >> YEAH, I DO. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD FOR THE DEGREE THAT HE SPENDS TIME ACTUALLY READING THE PACKETS. THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS MEETINGS HERE WERE HE HAS BROUGHT SOMETHING FROM DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS IN A MANNER THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS HIS 
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BACKGROUND. I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW HE HAS SUCH AN INTEREST. 
          FOR ME, I VIEW MEGAN AS -- I VIEW OUR ROLE AS OVERSIGHT TOWER CITY MANAGER. I AM NOT SURE THAT A FIREFIGHTER OUT OF OPA LOCKA IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FINANCIAL LOANS OF THIS CITY. THAT IS WHY I TRUST THE VARIOUS AUDITING AGENCIES ALONG WITH COUNCIL THAT PROVIDE OVERSIGHT TO THE WAY THIS CITY SPENDS THEIR MONEY. THAT STILL DOES NOT TAKE AWAY MY IMPRESSED FEELING FOR THE SERIOUSNESS 
          THAT KELLY TAKES THIS ROLE. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. SHE DOES 
          TAKE IT VERY SERIOUS. >> OKAY. 
          >> I AGREE WITH THAT TOO. THANK YOU, KELLY. 
          >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THIS AT A FUTURE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING , THEN WE WILL SAY SEPTEMBER 3. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THIS ON SEPTEMBER 3 TO DISCUSS THE SECOND ITEM THAT MR. GRISWOLD HAS ASKED US TO CONSIDER TONIGHT, PLEASE, RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. THAT FAILS. ALL RIGHT. MR. MOREMAN. 
          >> THANK YOU. THE STAFF HAS BEEN RESEARCHING THE POSSIBILITY OF A SIDEWALK ALONG EAST UNIVERSITY FROM OLD MILL ROAD UP TO EAST MCKINLEY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE CITY MANAGER IS READY TO PROVIDE A REPORT BASED ON THE WORK THE STAFF IS DONE AND ASK IF THIS REPORT CAN BE PRESENTED ON 17 
          SEPTEMBER? >> THAT IS IS A REPORT ON THE ACTUAL IMPEDIMENTS, PARTICULARLY TREES, CORRECT? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> YES. WE ARE READY ANYTIME. 
          >> IS THE COUNCIL OKAY WITH US PUTTING THIS ON SEPTEMBER 17 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ? IF YOU ARE, PLEASE, RAISE YOUR HAND. 
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ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? QUESTIONS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR THE CITY MANAGER. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND I FOR THE CITY MANAGER? CITY MANAGER, ANYTHING FOR US? 
          >> JUST REALLY QUICKLY -- QUICKLY ITEM 10A HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT. THEY PLAN TO COME WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT POSITION AND THEY NEED SOME TIME. I WILL REMIND YOU WHEN WE GET THERE. THAT IS THE AUBURN ICEHOUSE 
          ONE. >> OKAY. 
          >> WE ARE STILL IN COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. 
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