[ROLL CALL ] [00:00:09] >> OCTOBER MEETING OF THE CITY OF AUBURN PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. LET'S CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> DANA CAMP? >> HERE. >> NONET REESE? WENDY BIRMINGHAM? >> HERE >> DAVID WITH HIM? >> HERE >> JOSEPH AISTRUP. >> >> HERE >> JENNIFER STEPHENS? >> HERE. >> OSCAR MOSELEY? >> HERE. >> WALKER DAVIS? >> HERE. >> THANK YOU. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT ATTENDED A MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WELCOME. I'LL GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW OUR MEETINGS RUN. FIRST, THE COMMISSION IS PRESENTED WITH AN AGENDA FROM THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR EACH AGENDA ITEM WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. SOME ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE IS WELCOME TO SPEAK FOR UP TO FIVE MINUTES, WITH RESPECT TO THE AGENDA ITEM. WE SERVE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF AUBURN, AND WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS. IF YOU CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE KEEP ALL COMMENTS THE REMAINDER THEY GET AN ITEM AT HAND, AND PLEASE REMEMBER TO SIGN IN ON THE TABLE NEXT TO THE PODIUM. THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL DELIVER -- ON EACH AGENDA ITEM BASED ON LOCAL LAWS, THE CITY OF AUBURN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 23, AND FOR THE -- COMMUNITY. I WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE COMMENTS ON ANYTHING NOT BEFORE US ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, YOU MAY DO SO NOW. SEEING NONE, WE WILL NOW HEAR OLD BUSINESS. SEEING NO -- NO OLD BUSINESS [CONSENT AGENDA] EXCUSE ME, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE GOT TWO ITEMS, TWO ANNEXATIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> TWO THINGS. SO, JUST, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE MINUTES, THERE'S A MINOR CORRECTION I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO -- AFTER THE MEETING. ON ITEM 20, IT'S THE JET AVENUE CASE. IT MENTIONS THAT -- SPOKE IN OPPOSITION. IT'S A B -- SPOKEN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT. SO THAT WAS THE ONE. AND THEN THE SECOND WAS, THIS AFFECTS THE TWO LAST THINGS ON THE AGENDA, SECOND LAST THING ON THE AGENDA. THE TWO TURN LANE WAIVER REQUEST ASSOCIATED WITH MEN'S TRAIL. THE APPLICANT IS UNDER THE WEATHER AND OUT-OF-TOWN, AND REQUESTED TO POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO BE HERE FOR IT. SO JUST WITH THAT, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING THE ALL THE ATTENTION, SO THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE MINUTES, AND THEN THE ADJUSTMENT, AND THEN, I GUESS, THE ADJUSTMENT OR THE AGENDA TO REMOVE THE FINAL TWO ITEMS ON THE TURN LANE WAIVER REQUEST. >> WILL NOT REQUIRE A VOTE? -- >> POSTPONE. >> WE JUST -- >> YEAH, I GUESS THEY, THEY WITHDREW IT, AND SO I GUESS, I DON'T THINK ANY -- WITHDREW IT, AND THEN ON THE OTHER ONE -- THE MOTION THAT YOU'LL ACCEPT THE MINUTES, JUST WITH THE STAFF CHANGES, LIKE THE STAFF -- CHANGES. >> OKAY. DO WE HEAR A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? >> MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES. >> SECOND. >> WITH STAFF CHANGES. >> WITH STAFF CHANGES. >> MOTIONS BEEN MADE AND PROBABLY SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL AGAINST. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE GOT THE CONSENT AGENDA, WITH THE TWO ANNEXATIONS. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. [3. Preliminary Plat - Rockhouse Farms - PUBLIC HEARING PP-2024-044 ] >> MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDLY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AGAINST? MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ONTO NEW BUSINESS. THE NEXT IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT FROM ROCKHOUSE FARMS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. OUR FIRST ITEM ON NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A 21 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED OFF OF BRIDLEWOOD DRIVE IN THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT. THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING ONE WAIVER . I KNOW THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT THERE ARE TWO WAIVER REQUESTS. HOWEVER, THE EASEMENT PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE GREENWAY IS NO LONGER NEEDED FOR THE WAIVER IS NO LONGER NEEDED, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS, IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE EASEMENT BEING THERE IF IT IS RESTRICTED TO JUST THE RESIDENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION. AND STAFF. THAT'S WHAT IT'S INTENDED FOR, SO STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH THAT, AND THE APPLICANT DOESN'T EITHER. THE NEWEST LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION IS 21 LOTS. THE PLAT WAS BEFORE YOU OVER THE SUMMER IN JUNE, I BELIEVE, AND [00:05:02] IT WAS 16 LOTS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, THIS TIME, BESIDES THE ADDITIONAL PLOTS, IS THE NEW INTERNAL STREET, PUBLIC STREET, THAT MOST OF THE LOTS WILL HAVE ROAD FRONTAGE ON. THIS LOT HERE REMAINS IN UNINCORPORATED LEE COUNTY, SO IT IS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, AND IT DOES HAVE ACCESS TO BRIDLEWOOD DRIVE, AND IT MEETS THE FLAG LOT DEFINITION. THE GREENWAY IS ON LOTS ONE, 12, AND 11, AND THAT WILL BE PLACED IN AN EASEMENT, AND THEN THE GREENWAY ACCESS TO THE GREENWAY WILL BE FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC, PROBABLY. THAT WILL BE DETERMINED WITH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF. THE, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAT. THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FROM WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT. THERE ARE WATER QUALITY AND FIRE PROTECTION CONCERNS, AND EXPANSION OF THESE SYSTEMS TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL INCLUDE CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING WATER MAIN ALONG SHELDON MILL. AND THAT IS PART OF, OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMENTS. ONE TO NOTE IS ENGINEERING COMMENTS NUMBER 3. THAT SHOULD ONLY SAY LOT 2. LOT 2 IS THE LARGER LOT THAT HAS ROAD FRONTAGE ON BRIDLEWOOD. THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING HOME THAT WAS RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED IS LOCATED. SO THAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY LOT THAT HAS ACCESS, VEHICULAR ACCESS TO BRIDLEWOOD DRIVE. SEE IF I'VE FORGOTTEN ANYTHING. >> WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND WAIVER? >> THE SECOND WAIVER. YES. SO THERE IS A WAIVER TO NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE A STUB OUT STREET TO THE EAST. THIS IS VACANT PROPERTY, UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE EAST, AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS A VERY IS UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THERE SHOULD BE A STUB OUT CONNECTION TO THAT UNDEVELOPED AREA. THEY ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO NOT PROVIDE THAT. HOWEVER, THE CURRENT LENGTH OF THE INTERNAL CUL-DE-SAC STREET EXCEEDS WHAT'S ALSO ALLOWED. SO HAVING THAT STUB OUT STREET WOULD NOT, WOULD HELP THAT REQUIREMENT NOT TO BE NONCOMPLIANT. SO THEY STUB OUT STREET WOULD ACTUALLY HELP. AND WE DO RECOMMEND THAT THAT WAIVER BE DENIED, STAFF DOES. AND I BELIEVE WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL INQUIRIES ABOUT THE PROJECT. I DON'T THINK WE FORESEE ANY THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION. THEY WERE JUST MOSTLY INFORMATIVE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> SO, SO MY QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE ACCESS TO BRIDLEWOOD DRIVE. THAT'S OFF OF SHELDON MILL ROAD , CORRECT? >> BRIDLEWOOD DRIVE? >> YES. >> IT IS, CORRECT. >> AND THAT IS MARKED A PRIVATE DRIVE, AND IS THE INTENT, THEN, TO LEAVE IT PRIVATE AFTER? >> NO. SO RIGHT NOW, IT IS A PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE. THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES BRIDLEWOOD DRIVE TO BE IMPROVED AND BROUGHT UP TO CITY STANDARDS, AND IT WILL BECOME A CITY STREET. >> OKAY, SO IT WILL BECOME A CITY STREET. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. THIS ITEM DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. >> YOU CAN DO IT AFTER -- >> AFTER? >> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS DR. LAUREL GARDNER. I MAY 1986 GRADUATE OF THE COLLEGE OF VETERINARY MEDICINE, 8044 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF AUBURN AND LEE COUNTY. I AM MARRIED TO A FAMILY WITH A VERY LONG AND STORIED HISTORY , AND OUR PROPERTY IS THAT PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THIS SUBDIVISION. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU HAD A STUB ROAD TO THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, IT'S GOING TO LENGTHEN A ROAD THAT IS ALREADY CONSIDERED TOO LONG, SO I WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT. MY FATHER MY SCAPE GREAT-GRANDFATHER MOVED HERE IN 1917 TO HELP DEVELOP THE DEPARTMENT OF BOTANY, PLANT PHYSIOLOGY, AND BACTERIA AT THE, AT WHAT WAS THEN API. HE HAD A SMALL DAIRY IN TOWN. ON [00:10:01] THE PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY SURROUNDS GARDNER DRIVE, WHICH SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH, HE HAD TO MOVE THAT PROPERTY TO SHELTON ROAD, AND PURCHASED 200 ACRES THERE. HIS SON EXPANDED THE -- TO AN AWARD-WINNING JERSEY COW FARM AND -- FARM. WE HAVE -- SALES ALL OVER THE SOUTHEAST OF THOSE CATTLE AND HOGS. HIS SON, HARMON AUSTIN GARDNER JR., TOOK OVER THE FARM AND EXTENDED IT EVEN FURTHER. IT WAS A DAIRY FARM, IT WAS A POULTRY FARM, IT WAS AN ANGUS BEEF FARM, IT, IN 1972, GARDNER STABLES, WHICH SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH, WAS OPENED. THE, WHEN MY FATHER-IN-LAW PASSED AWAY, THE LAND PASSED IN A LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY TO HIS FIVE CHILDREN, AND HAS BEEN MANAGED BY THEM FOR THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. MY SON, SAM, IS HERE. YOU'LL HEAR FROM HIM IN JUST A MINUTE. HE LIVES ON THE PROPERTY, ALONG WITH HIS COUSIN, DAVID. I'M NOT GOING THROUGH THIS HISTORY TRYING TO BORE YOU ALL. I KNOW FAMILY HISTORY'S ONLY IMPORTANT TO THE FAMILY MEMBERS. THE REASON WHY I'M GOING FOR IT IS BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LAND IS NOT A COMMODITY TO US. WE DO NOT WANT TO SELL IT. WE DO NOT WANT TO DEVELOP IT. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN IT AS AN AGRICULTURAL FARM, AND ACTUALLY USE IT TO RAISE ANIMALS ON. MY GRANDCHILDREN WILL BE RAISED ON THAT FARM SIX GENERATIONS. THAT WOULD MAKE SIX GENERATIONS ON THAT FARM. THERE IS AN OPERATING AGREEMENT, AND IF YOU WERE ABLE TO READ THAT, YOU WOULD SEE THAT MY FATHER AND MOTHER IN LAW HAD ONE DESIRE, AND THAT WAS FOR THIS 200 ACRES THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD TO BE MAINTAINED AS A FARM, AND TO BE HELD IN C2. IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SOLD, IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED. THE THING THAT PRECIPITATED A SALE TO WILL HEARING AND HIS ASSOCIATES IS THAT SOME OF MY SIBLINGS DESPISED THEIR INHERITANCE OF LAND, ACTUALLY, AND WANTED CASH. AND SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN FAMILY GENEALOGY AND, JUST BEING NICE TO EACH OTHER, SORRY, YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND SELL THE PROPERTY. NOW, WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO UNDERSTAND AS WE HAND-PICKED, WILL HEARING, TO SELL THIS LAND. AND THE REASON WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE HE HAD A HEART'S DESIRE TO MAINTAIN THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND WONDER OF THIS PROPERTY. LET'S FACE IT, IF HE DOESN'T EVER DRIVEN SHELTON ROAD, THAT IS A DROP-DEAD GORGEOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND WE LOVE IT VERY, VERY MUCH. MY POINT IN MY COMMENTS TONIGHT IS THE FACT THAT THIS CURRENT GENERATION, MY HUSBAND AND I AND HIS SIBLING, JIM, WHO CONTINUE TO OWN THE PROPERTY AS THE LLC , AND THEIR CHILDREN, MY SON, SAM, AND HIS COUSIN, DAVID, WANT TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AS AN OPERATING FARM. WE HAVE GREAT HOPES. STAN WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN JUST A MINUTE. OF SOME CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. BUT MY POINT, THIS PROPERTY WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED. AT A STUB ROAD OUT OF THIS PROPERTY WILL NOT BE NEEDED OR USED. IF YOU NOTICE, PUTTING A STUB ROAD ON THIS PARTICULAR PLOT IS GOING TO TAKE UP AN ENTIRE LOT, AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON WILL, ON THIS PROPERTY, IT'S GETTING VERY, VERY HARD TO EVEN AFFORD TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND BE ABLE TO SELL IT TO SMALL FAMILY, TO FAMILIES ON LARGE LOTS. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN A STATE LOT. SO MY REQUEST TONIGHT IS THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THIS WAIVER. THE STUB ROAD IS UNNEEDED. IT'S LITERALLY GOING TO GO TO NOWHERE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP SPACE. IT'S GOING TO DESTROY THE PROPERTY. AND SO MY HOPE IS THAT HE WILL LISTEN AND, AND ALLOW FOR THIS WAIVER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STAN GARDNER. I AM PART OF THE FIFTH GENERATION OF THE GARDNER FAMILY MEMBERS LIVING ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE MY MOTHER DESCRIBED A HISTORY OF JUST NOW. I HAVE SPENT MY ENTIRE 35 YEARS ON THIS EARTH ON GARDNER FARMS. I GREW UP HUNTING ON, FISHING ON, WORKING ON, AND MANAGING AND PROTECTING GARDNER FARMS. I DEVELOPED MY HARD-WORKING ETHIC, AS WELL AS MY LOVE FOR THE OUTDOORS AND NATURAL RESOURCES, FROM THOSE YEARS. UNLIKE MANY OF MY CONTEMPORARIES, I CAN MECHANIC, DO CARPENTRY WORK, WELD, AND DRIVE AND MANEUVER HEAVY EQUIPMENT, ALL BECAUSE OF MY FARM LIFE THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS AFFORDED ME. I INTEND TO RAISE MY SON AND, AND MY DAUGHTER, AND ANY FUTURE KIDS, WITH THE SAME HARD WORK ETHIC AND LOVE FOR THE LAND THAT I WAS RAISED WITH. AND YES, MY DAUGHTER WILL LEARN HOW TO DRIVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT TOO. MY BRIDE AND I WERE MARRIED 10 [00:15:01] YEARS AGO TOMORROW UNDER WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE WEDDING OCE ON THE FARM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE SOLD TO MR. HERRING. MY COUSIN, DAVID, AND HIS WIFE WERE ALSO MARRIED THERE. MY BROTHER-IN-LAW AND HIS WIFE ACTUALLY GOT ENGAGED THERE AS WELL. I DREAM OF THE DAY THAT THE THAT GENERATION, SIXTH GENERATION OF GARDENERS, FAMILY, MY KIDS, CAN GET TO, MY KIDS, OR MY COUSIN'S KIDS, CAN GET MARRIED ON THE FARM IF THEY DESIRE TO AS WELL. MY GENERATION HAS A HUGE GOAL FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE RECENTLY MADE THE DECISION OF THE FAMILY TO ACTUALLY CLOSE OUR STABLES AND FOCUS MORE ON OUR BEEF OPERATION. OUR GOAL IS TO INCREASE AND DEVELOP OUR ANGUS BEEF CATTLE HERD TO USE ADAPTIVE, MULTI USE PADDED GRAZING TO INCREASE THE STABILITY OF THE LAND, SO WE'RE DECIDING TO IMPROVE THE LAND AND NOT DESTROY IT. AND AT TO THE DIVERSITY AND TO OTHER ENDEAVORS TO INCREASE THE PRODUCTION CAPABILITIES OF OUR PROPERTY. WE PLAN TO DO ALL OF THIS WHILE MAINTAINING THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE PROPERTY, AND OUR HOPE IS THAT ONE DAY, GARDNER FAMILY BEEF, AND HOPEFULLY OTHER PRODUCTS FROM THE PROPERTY, WILL BE FOUND ON MANY TABLES THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND THIS REGION. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE CONSIDERING IS HOW TO HOST GROUPS OF SCHOOL KIDS ON THE PROPERTY. WE DREAM OF BEING A PLACE WHERE SCHOOLCHILDREN FROM ALL OVER THE AREA CAN COME AND SEE ACTUAL ANIMALS IN THEIR NATURAL HABITAT, AND LEARN HOW IMPORTANT FARMING IS TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD AT LARGE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS ENCROACHING. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. AND WE ARE NOT BLIND TO THAT FACT. HOWEVER, OUR HEART, AND THE LEGACY MANDATE LEFT TO ME BY MY GENERATION, BY, TO MY GENERATION BY MY ANCESTORS, IS TO MAINTAIN THE LAND, AND AS AN OPERATIONAL AGRICULTURAL FARMING PROPERTY, OUR INTENT AND OUR DREAM, AT THIS TIME, IS TO FULFILL THAT LEGACY MANDATE, AND THERE'S NO DESIRE, NOR PLAN, AT THIS TIME, TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, OR TO SELL IT FOR DEVELOPMENT. OUR HEART IS FOR THIS TO STAND AS A TESTAMENT TO THE PREVIOUS GENERATION OF GARDENERS HAVE COME BEFORE ME FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME. TO THAT END, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT HE WAIVE THE NEED FOR THE STUB OUT CONNECTOR ROAD BEGINNING ON THE PROPERTY OWNED BY WILL HEARING AND THAT ENDING OUR PROPERTY LINE. THIS ROAD WILL SERVE NO PURPOSE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? >> VECTOR PAIN, MEMBER OF THE CREEKWOOD SUBDIVISION. BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. AND I'VE ENJOYED IT IMMENSELY, AND I HAVE TO GET NOTES OUT BECAUSE I'M SO OLD, I, I HAVE TO HAVE NOTES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. DR. BAKER IS A PRESIDENT TO OUR ASSOCIATION, AND HE WAS NOT BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. HIS WIFE'S IN THE HOSPITAL. AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW MIKE GARDNER, MIKE GOODLETT IS THE DOCTOR FOR THE SPORTS TEAMS, AND THIS IS HIS WEEKEND OFF. HE'S OFF WITH HIS WIFE, TAKING A WEEK OFF, SO, WEEKEND OFF. SO, ANYWAY, I'M JUST GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE HISTORY OF, HAVING LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS CURRENT PLAN, WE, WE REALLY HAVE PROOF OF IT. THE ROAD, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT, BRIDLEWOOD, IS A MESS. IF YOU'VE DRIVEN, DRIVEN DOWN, WE'VE SPENT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OVER THE YEARS AS A ASSOCIATION TRYING TO PATCH, TAKE ASPHALT OUT AND PUT NEW ASPHALT DOWN, AND THERE'S PATCHES THAT NEED TO COME OUT NOW. AND A LOT OF THAT ROAD IS WHAT YOU CALL ALLIGATOR BACK. IT'S GOT, IF YOU KNOW WHAT AN ALLIGATOR LOOKS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT THE BACK OF A LOT OF THE ROTORS. AND IT'S, IT'S A HAZARD TO DRIVE ON ME. POTHOLES. SO WE ARE REALLY PLEASED THAT WILL HERRING HAS TAKEN OFF THE GAUNTLET TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE HAD, WE'RE GOING TO, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN $100,000 OVER 10 YEARS, IF WE HAD TO, TO HELP MOVE IT ALONG . BUT IT'S, IT'S A MESS, IF THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND SEEN IT, AND WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT DONE. WE HOPE YOU WILL WILL APPROVE WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT. IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED ABOUT THE LITTLE PATH THAT GOES OUT NEXT TO, RIGHT BEHIND THE NEIGHBORS THERE, AND IT GOES [00:20:04] OUT TO THE GREENWAY, AND I THINK, THERE'S A, SOME COUNTY ACREAGE IN THERE -- THE COUNTY. BUT I'D LIKE, AND I MAY UNDERGRADUATE CIVIL ENGINEER AND A MASTER ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER. SO I ENJOY THE ENVIRONMENT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE THAT PATH ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE GREENWAY. I, I, I WROTE THE NATIONAL GUIDELINES ON CONSTRUCTED WETLANDS FOR THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. I DON'T KNOW IF WETLANDS, I DON'T KNOW IF GREENWAY'S. BUT IF WE INVITE PEOPLE TO GO DOWN THERE TO THE GREENWAY, YOU HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON THE ROAD, AND THE OTHER THING I DON'T LIKE FOR IT TO GO ALL THE WAY THERE IS YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE BACK, MAKES YOU GET BACK ACROSS THE BACKYARD. SO THE NEIGHBORS THERE. AND IF YOU WERE THERE, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT. IF WE COULD JUST STOP IT AT THE COUNTY, DEVELOP, AND NOT TAKE IT TO THE GREENWAY, I THINK WE'D LIKE THAT. AND IF PEOPLE DO WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE GREENWAY, PEOPLE PARKING ON BRIDLEWOOD, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE HAPPEN. SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, AND IT'S MY PRESENTATION, AND DO I NEED TO FIND OUT -- ON THE WAY? >> IT'S RIGHT THERE TO THE RIGHT. OR TO YOUR LEFT. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD EVENING. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE TODAY. MY NAMES JOHN CARNEY. I'M A AUBURN GRADUATE, SMALL BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN TOWN, AND CURRENTLY THE ONLY RESIDENT ON THIS PROPERTY. SO THREE YEARS AGO, ALMOST, WILL CAME TO ME WITH THIS IDEA FOR THE PROPERTY, AND I CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT IT, AND MY WIFE AND I AND OUR KIDS JUST ABSOLUTELY FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. LIKE MS. GARDNER SAID, IT'S JUST A SPECIAL PROPERTY. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BEAUTIFUL TREES, AND, SO WE WERE ALL IN RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, AND I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT IT THAT I ACTUALLY JOINED THEM AS A VERY SMALL MINORITY PARTNER IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT. NOT BEING A DEVELOPER, I'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I'D LIKE TO ON THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND PROCEDURES FOR ALL OF THIS, AND, BUT REALLY EXCITED TO BE OUT THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN , HAD TO SAY, LITTLE FRUSTRATING FOR, FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME THAT'S NOT, DOESN'T DO THIS FOR A LIVING, BUT WHERE WE ARE NOW, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. I THINK WE'RE REALLY CLOSE TO MOVING FORWARD. I'M EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE, OUR NEW NEIGHBORS OVER IN CREEKWOOD THAT THIS ROAD HAS BEEN DEEPLY NEEDED -- IN THE COLBERT, AND THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX THAT THAT WE'RE GRATEFUL . WE'RE THANKFUL TO JUSTICE AND THE REST OF STAFF FOR WORKING THROUGH THE EASEMENT ISSUE. THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE, BEING A RESIDENT OUT THERE ALREADY, WITH THE SMALL CHILDREN. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE BIG THING FOR ME AS WE STARTED THIS PROJECT WHEN IT WAS STILL IN THE COUNTY, WHAT WE ORIGINALLY A, WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTED, WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO STAY IN THE COUNTY. AND SO I HAD TO -- FINISH BUILDING IN THE COUNTY. AND, BUT, BECAUSE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD YET, I'VE YET TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY -- MY ACREAGE TO -- PERMANENT FINANCING AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO. VERY EXCITED TO MOVE THIS THING ALONG, AND JUST RESPECTFULLY, I ASK THAT THE VERY FEW MINOR HURDLES THAT WE'RE STILL ASKING FOR SOME HELP WITH COULD BE CONSIDERED SO THAT THIS COULD MOVE FORWARD. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'M MIKE TOMLIN -- BACK IN THE '70 THAT WHILE AGO. BUSINESSMAN HERE IN AUBURN. -- FEW DEVELOPMENTS WE CREATED HERE. BUT I THINK, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY NONE OF THE LAND OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT OF THIS, OF THIS PROJECT. IT'S BEEN COMPLICATED, CONVOLUTED, I THINK, BUT I, BUT ABOUT 35 YEARS AGO, THE CITY APPROVED CREEKWOOD SUBDIVISION WITHOUT ANY ACCESS TO AN EXISTING CITY OR COUNTY ROAD. WE ALL KNOW THAT. IT WAS ONLY ACCESSED BY PRIVATE EASEMENT, WHICH IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT BRIDLEWOOD. LATER, THE CITY DECIDED IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A COLLECTOR ROAD CONNECTING SHELTON MILL OVER TO NORTH COLLEGE. I ONLY BRING THIS UP BECAUSE EVERY ACTION SUBSEQUENT TO THAT'S BEEN TAKEN BY THE CITY HAS MADE THAT PROPOSAL LESS AND LESS LIKELY, TO THE POINT WHERE IT PRETTY UNLIKELY NOW TO EVER BE A COLLECTOR OVER TO COLLEGE, BECAUSE OF THE VIOLENCE THAT ARE HAPPENING IN BETWEEN. IN FACT, THE CURRENT MAJOR STREET PLAN FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN, THERE IS NO [00:25:03] CONNECTION SHOWN BETWEEN BRIDLEWOOD AND NORTH COLLEGE. FORWARD 35 YEARS. WE STARTED THIS PROJECT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AS A RURAL LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENT, IN KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THE GARDNER FARM, THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT ACROSS THE STREET, CREEKWOOD TRAIL, ALL THE STATE LOTS. AFTER SEVERAL TRIES, THE FIRST PRELIMINARY PLAT WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED CONTAINED 12 LOTS, AND A ROAD FROM SHELTON MILL TO OUR ENTRANCE, WHICH WAS ABOUT HALF WAY, YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS. THAT WAS OUR FIRST PROPOSAL. -- WE HAD TO BRING THE ENTIRETY OF BRIDLEWOOD TO CITY SPECS, BECAUSE UNDER THE CITY'S SUBDIVISION RAGS, A DEVELOPER MAY BE REQUIRED TO BRING ALL EXISTING ROADS TO CITY SPECS. THIS WASN'T A ROAD. IT WAS A, IT WAS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY. IT NEVER WAS A ROAD. I THINK SOMEBODY DRAWING A LINE ON A, ON A MAP DOESN'T MAKE IT A ROAD. HOWEVER, WE AGREED TO BUILD -- ROAD FROM SHELTON MILL TO THE EXISTING BRIDLEWOOD BECAUSE WE WERE STILL DESIGNERS OF OUR PLAN, AND WE'RE WILLING TO HELP THE CITY FIX AND ACCESS AND SAFETY PROBLEM THAT HAS EXISTED FOR 35 YEARS. WITH THE GREAT HELP OF THE MAYOR AND SEVERAL CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, WE ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY IN WHICH THE CITY AGREED TO ASSIST US IN BUILDING THAT PORTION FROM THAT NORTHERLY ROAD TO THE EXISTING BRIDLEWOOD. OUR FIRST PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED WITH A NUMBER OF FLAG LOTS, BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO THAT TO GIVE FRONTAGE, AND NEITHER THE CITY NOR WE WERE TOO HAPPY WITH THAT CONFIGURATION. YOU'LL PROBABLY REMEMBER THAT. THEN WE WERE, THEN WE WERE, SO WE INCREASED OUR, OUR DENSITY A LITTLE BIT , JUST TO PAY FOR THAT, THEN WE WERE HIT WITH THIS COLLECTOR ISSUE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER. AGAIN, AFTER SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PERSONNEL, WE AGREED TO BUILD THE ROAD AS A COLLECTOR, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ADDED COSTS, WE HAD TO INCREASE THE DENSITY TO 16 LOTS AT THAT TIME TO MAKE THE PROJECT HOPEFULLY ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE. THIS PLAT WAS APPROVED BUT WILL CONTAIN A GREAT NUMBER OF FLAG LOTS, WHICH NONE OF US WERE TOO HAPPY WITH. AND THEN AFTER COSTING THE PROJECT, NOT TOO LONG AGO, IT WAS DETERMINED NOT TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE. THE, THE, THE COST OF THAT COLLECTOR ROAD AND THAT ROAD WAS JUST TOO, TOO HIGH. SO INCREASE THE DENSITY ONE MORE TO THE 21 LOTS, IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT WORK. IN DOING SO, WE PROPOSED BUILDING THAT ADDITIONAL CITY STREET AS OPPOSED TO THE DRIVEWAY, AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, SO THAT ALL THE LOTS COULD HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE CITY STREETS, AND WE COULD ELIMINATE ALL BUT ONE FLAG LOT THAT EXISTED IN OUR PRELIMINARY PLANS. SO WE SUBMITTED THE CURRENT PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS NOW BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL. HOWEVER, THIS, THE COMMENT THAT WAS ADDED ABOUT THE STUB OUT FROM THE NEWLY PROPOSED NORTHERLY ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST PROPERTY LINE WITH THE GARDNER FARM HAS REALLY, REALLY MAKES THIS PROJECT UNECONOMIC AGAIN, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. WE LOSE A, AN ENTIRE LOT, AND THESE ARE LARGE LOT, AND WE, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF COST TO OUR PROJECT. SO WE NOT ONLY ADD COSTS, BUT WE REDUCE OUR POTENTIAL INCOME. SO WE GOT ONE QUESTION TONIGHT. CAN WE, CAN WE WEIGH THAT, THAT, THAT'S ABOUT REQUIREMENT? YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE THAT IT'S LIKELY THAT, FOR GENERATIONS TO COME, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANTIDEVELOPMENT ON THAT FARM. I, I BELIEVE THEM. ALSO, I REALLY, I'M REALLY HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IF WE DON'T GET THAT WAY, THEN WE'RE REQUIRED TO PAY THAT, TO BUILD THAT STUFF OUT TO SOMETHING THAT GOES NOWHERE. I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT CAN GO, AND I THINK WHAT IS GOING TO BE LOST IS THE, THE BENEFIT OF REDOING BRIDLEWOOD FOR THE ACCESS AND SAFETY ISSUES THAT WERE CAUSED 35 YEARS AGO WHEN THAT WAS, WHEN THAT SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT, AND NOT GIVING ANY KIND OF ACCESS. SO THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT, IS, IS CAN WE PLEASE WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT OF THE STUB OUT? I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, MR. THOMPSON. >> I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE IS -- APPLICANT. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS, OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING -- CAN GET HIS REMARKS. >> HEY, Y'ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING US OUT. TRULY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS WILL HERRING. MY WIFE ASHLEY AND I ARE RAISING A FAMILY OF SIX, SO FOUR KIDS, THREE DAUGHTERS, ONE SON. ASHLEY AND I LIVED IN THE AUBURN UNIVERSITY CLUB. WE MOVED, OR ACTUALLY, SHE CAME HOME ONE DAY AND DECIDED THAT, THAT THE CITY GIRL FROM, FROM BIRMINGHAM WANTED TO MOVE TO THE COUNTRY. SO HER IDEA, THE COUNTRY, BUT THE EDGE OF TOWN ON A 17 ACRE LOT THAT SHE FOUND -- IN THE MIDDLE OF THE -- WHEN SHE COULDN'T SLEEP. SO BEING A -- COUNTRY BOY FROM -- 50 ACRES, I THOUGHT THAT SOUNDED GREAT. [00:30:04] AND, SO WE MOVED OUT THERE TO TOWN. MR. VICK, ONE OF MY NEIGHBLOVE HIM, WAS JUST, JUST SO BLESSED BY WATCHING HIM WALK HIS SWEET WIFE EVERYDAY UP AND DOWN BRIDLEWOOD, AND SHE WENT TO BE WITH THE LORD A FEW MONTHS AGO, BUT JUST, JUST BLOWN AWAY BY THE KINDNESS AND GENEROSITY OF MY NEIGHBORS. I'M TRYING TO KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. THEY'RE EXCITED. THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE HAD DECADES OF FRUSTRATION WITH THE ROAD, THE DILAPIDATED ROAD THAT A LOT OF THEM THINK WAS THE CITY'S JOB TO FIX, OR THE COUNTY. BUT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT WAS JUST A PRIVATE DRIVE, SO IT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT, BUT WHEN MR. MIKE GARDNER, WHEN I, WHEN I BUILD OUT THERE FOUR YEARS AGO, I RETURNED TO MR. MIKE, AND I SAID, MR. MIKE, IF YOU GUYS, I HOPE YOU'LL NEVER SELL A SQUARE FOOT. IF YOU DO, WOULD YOU JUST GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A FEW ACRES, JUST A SMALL BUFFER, BECAUSE MY HOUSE SITS NEAR THE EASTERN LINE. HE SAID, WELL, I'D LOVE TO, I'D LOVE TO COME SIT DOWN WITH YOU, KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT I'VE GOT GOING ON. AND HAVE Y'ALL HEARD FROM MR. GARDNER, THERE'S MULTIPLE SIBLINGS, AND, AND A FEW OF THE SIBLINGS WANTED TO SELL THE FARM. AND, AND IT HAD TO BE UNANIMOUS. I TOLD MR. MIKE, I SAID, MR. MIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SELL A SQUARE FOOT. IT HAS TO BE UNANIMOUS. HE SAID, WILL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THANKSGIVING EVERYTHING'S GETTING AT CHRISTMAS WITH MY FAMILY. I GOT TO LISTEN TO MY FAMILY. I SAID, WELL, YOU'RE A NICER BROTHER THAT I WOULD BE. BUT HE AND MR. JIM ARE THE TWO REMAINING TRUSTEES ON THE FARM TO THE EAST. THEIR SON, SONS, STAN AND DAVID, AND THEIR DAUGHTER, KATIE, LIVES HERE IN AUBURN. Y'ALL HEARD THEY HAVE ZERO PLAN, NOT JUST THIS GENERATION, BUT THE NEXT. THIS FAMILY FARM HAS BEEN IN THEIR FAMILY SINCE THE 1800S. I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO PLEASE STRONGLY CONSIDER THE LACK OF LIKELIHOOD OF THIS THING BEING DEVELOPED TO THE EAST, BASED ON THEIR TESTIMONIES HERE TODAY. AND SO, AS MIKE THOMPSON JUST ASKED, HOUR, HOUR, OUR REQUEST IS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER A WAIVER REQUEST FOR STUB OUT THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO LEAVE NOWHERE. AS MIKE MENTIONED, THESE LOTS, I MEAN, DAVID SLOCUM, THANK YOU, DAVID. HE, HE, THESE LOTS ARE MOVING 3.0 ACRES. AND AS YOU GET THE NORTH, YOU HAVE A COUPLE MARGIN LOTS, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU PULL THE TOPO MAP, THE BUILD SITES, LIKE, WE'RE ALMOST PUSHING, WE'RE ALREADY ALMOST FALLING OFF IN THE SWAMP. AND SO WE REALLY, WE REALLY THINK, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YELLS, GALAS PROBLEM, THE FEASIBILITY, BUT WE DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A LOT. AND WE'RE GOING TO OBTAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE $80,000 OR 150,000, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE SALE OF THE LOT, AND SO THAT, THAT HURTS. BUT I THINK WHAT ALL, WHAT HURTS MORE THAN ANYTHING IS THE AESTHETICS OF A, OF JUST A, A STRIP OF PAVEMENT GOING ACROSS THE BEAUTIFUL FARM WITH A รท100, 100-YEAR-OLD OAK TREES OUT THERE. AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST, NOT JUST THE DEVELOPERS, BUT AS THE CITIZENS THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN THE, THE BEAUTY OF THE, OF THE LAND. AND SO I JUST, I JUST HUMBLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND HUMBLY REQUEST THAT YOU WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER THIS WAIVER. DAVID SLOCUM, OUR ENGINEER, IS HERE, AND HE'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE GRANTED SIMILAR WAIVERS IN THE NOT TOO FAR PAST. JUST, I JUST WANT TO, TO ASK THAT YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER GRANTING THIS, THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? >> YES, I DO. OF COURSE. YEAH. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THIS STUB OUT WOULD HELP, BECAUSE THE LENGTH OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH OUR REGULATIONS. OKAY. SO WE ARE HERE TO APPROVE, OR, A PLAT, A NEW PLAT, AND ALSO A WAIVER FOR GETTING RID OF THE STUB OUT. IF WE APPROVE THAT WAIVER, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS LONG STUB OUT? HOW'S THAT GOING TO CHANGE THIS, I MEAN, THIS LONG CUL-DE-SAC THAT'S NOT COMPLIANT? HOW'S THAT GOING TO CHANGE THIS PLAT, OR WILL IT? >> IT WON'T CHANGE THE PLAT THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU. >> OKAY. >> HOWEVER, I GUESS THE OPTIONS WOULD BE WE WOULD LOOK AT ANOTHER ROADWAY CONNECTION, [00:35:03] SOME KIND OF U CONNECTION DOWN, OR THEY WOULD REQUEST A WAIVER, OR I'D HAVE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEYS, DOES THAT MEAN BY DEFAULT? BECAUSE IF THERE'S NO STUB OUT, AND THE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE CUL-DE-SAC EXCEEDS THE LENGTH , AND DO WE JUST ACCEPT THAT? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY. >> WHAT DRIVES THE LENGTH OF THE CUL-DE-SAC XE I MEAN, WHY, WHY IS IT -- >> THE LENGTH OF THE -- SO, AS A, AND IT'S BEEN THIS WAY SINCE, FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. THE LENGTH OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE MAXIMUM LENGTH IS 700 FEET, EXCEPT WHERE YOU HAVE LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS. WE ALLOW UP TO 1000 FEET. AND IT'S ALWAYS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LENGTH IS LIMITED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY ACCESS AND FIRE, TRASH, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THE STUB OUT THEY WERE REQUESTING -- FOR CONNECTIVITY, WHICH ALSO SPEAKS TO NOT HAVING A VERY LONG CUL-DE-SAC, JUST HAVING MULTIPLE WAYS IN AND OUT. >> WOULD YELL CONSIDER, AND MS. DANA, I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION. I HAD NOT THOUGHT OF THIS QUESTION UNTIL YOU STARTED. MIGHT WE BE ABLE TO REDUCE, I MEAN, AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED WAS A, WAS A PRIVATE DRIVE. AND SO MIGHT WE BE ABLE TO SHRINK THE, AND, AND WE -- THAT MAKES YOUR JOB TOUGH, I'M SORRY. WHAT IF WE WERE TO PULL THE PUBLIC ROAD BACK TO 1000 FEET -- BUT THEN WE COULDN'T GET THE -- >> WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE A FEW -- SO IT, IT TAKES A COMPROMISE. >> SO, SO, SO LET'S, LET'S BACK UP, THEN. SO, SO LET'S JUST SAY WE APPROVE THE WAIVER. DID THEY COME BACK HERE AGAIN -- ANOTHER WAIVER, SO THEY, THEY CAN EXCEED 1000 FEET? >> SO THAT AN ADMINISTRATIVE, IT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER, BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR DESIGN MANUAL. SO UNLESS I DENIED IT AND THEY DECIDE TO APPEAL IT, THEN YOU WOULD NOT SEE IT AGAIN. >> SO IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU. IT WOULD BE AS A PART OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. AND HOW MUCH LONGER THAN 1000 FEET IS THIS? >> I WANT TO SAY IT'S AROUND 1500 FEET. >> CAN I JUST POINT OUT, THERE IS A, THERE IS A BOWL ABOUT HALFWAY OUT. AND WE'VE DONE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES -- THE LENGTH OF THE CUL-DE-SAC -- WE DID IT AT -- NO QUESTIONS ASKED. WE DO IT, IT RESETS THE LENGTH, IT PROVIDES A PLACE FOR FIRETRUCKS TO TURN AROUND, SCHOOL BUSES, WHATEVER. AND, FOR SOME REASON, ON THIS ONE, IT'S, IT'S AN ISSUE. I'M NOT, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. AND THAT OVERCOMES THAT ISSUE, THE MAXIMUM CUL-DE-SAC. >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? >> YEAH, SO MY QUESTION IS WITH REGARDS TO STUB OUT, AND -- ISSUE, PARTICULARLY, IS MORE IN GENERAL. AS I READ THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THE LANGUAGE IS, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT. IT SAYS THAT, THE LANGUAGE SAYS SHALL HAVE, IT NEIGHBORHOOD SHALL HAVE A STUB OUT STREET. AND, ARE WE SAYING, THEN, THAT THAT IS WAIVABLE, THAT'S NOT REALLY A REQUIREMENT, OR THIS IS A, OKAY, SOMETIMES WE'LL -- >> WELL, IT IS REALLY A REQUIREMENT. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER. >> OKAY. I GET IT. >> THAT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION IN THE PACKET MEETING. HAVE WE EVER WAIVED THE STUB OUT? >> YES. >> YEAH. WE, WE HAVE REQUESTED CROSS ACCESS AND STUB OUT TO MANY PROPERTIES IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. CITY COUNCIL HAS WAIVED AND OVERRULED THOSE REQUESTS. >> AND IF WE EVER USE THE LITTLE BULBS, THE ROUNDABOUT RIGHT THERE THAT'S PUT IN THE MIDDLE -- CAN I DO SAY, CUL-DE-SAC? >> I THINK WE HAD, DAVID, ACTUALLY MENTIONED IT TODAY. WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO SEE WHAT THE CONDITIONS WERE OF THOSE SITUATIONS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, THEY SAID THEY WERE MANY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TOO OR IF THAT'S 20. THEY JUST NOT NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK INTO THAT TODAY. >> OKAY. >> BUT THE QUESTION IS, BUT IF THE WAIVER WAS APPROVED TO GET RID OF THE STUB OUT, THEN IT, ALL THIS OTHER STUFF WITH THESE BULBS, CUL-DE-SACS WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH THE RT. >> AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO ASK THE ATTORNEY. THAT WOULD BE, THE STUB OUT PROVIDES A SOLUTION FOR THE LONG CUL-DE-SAC LENGTH. IF THE STUB OUT IS NOT THERE, THE CUL-DE-SAC STILL EXCEEDS THE LENGTH. BUT WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS IF, BY VIRTUE OF YOU NOT REQUIRING THE STUB OUT, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY NEED THE EXTRA LENGTH IS ACCEPTABLE? SITTING HERE, I WOULD THINK NO, THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION THAT AFFECTS [00:40:02] SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE DESIGN MANUAL THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> IT DOES. >> SO I THINK THE LENGTH WOULD STILL STAND, THAT IT EXCEEDS THE LIMIT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS SOMEHOW. >> YEAH, AND I GUESS KIND OF, MY, FROM THE PLAT STANDPOINT, WAIVING THE STUB OUT IS ONE THING. AND I THINK WHAT ALLISON IS GETTING AT IS JUST KIND OF LIKE, WITH THAT MANDATE THE LENGTH? NORMALLY, THAT'S JUST, LIKE, ANOTHER FACET TO BE FIGURED OUT. I THINK KIND OF WHAT WAS ALLUDED TO WITH DAVID IS JUST KIND OF, THAT WOULD AFFECT THE LOT CONFIGURATION, THAT KIND OF WOULD NOT HAVE FRONTAGE. SO THEN KIND OF THE -- FINAL PLAT WOULD JUST LOOK DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT, I GUESS, IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO KIND OF FIND A SOLUTION JUST KIND OF REGARDING -- >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK. WELL, IT WOULD BE WITH THE FINAL PLAT, I GUESS. >> YEAH, AND SO, IN MY MIND, I DON'T THINK THAT MANDATES ANYTHING. I THINK IT'S JUST KIND OF MORE THINGS, THAT'S KIND OF BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IN THE FINAL PLAT, THAT IT WOULD BE WORKING THROUGH. I MEAN, WE HAVE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, LIKE, OTHER SERIOUS ISSUES, KIND OF LIKE, OFTENTIMES, LIKE IN OTHER, LIKE WITH OTHER PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE DO HASH OUT A LOT OF THE DETAILS AND A LOT OF THE FINE-TUNING WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND SO, KIND OF LIKE ALLISON ALLUDED TO WITH THE SECOND BULB, I GUESS THE FIRST BULB, JUST KIND OF GOING NORTH THERE, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TIME TO STUDY IF THE, IF THE OTHER SITUATIONS WERE SIMILAR TO THAT, IF THIS COULD APPLY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THAT'S TOTALLY ENGINEERING'S PURVIEW, BUT IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO INEVITABLY WORK OUT, AND I THINK, ALSO, IT'S A LOT CONFIGURATION IF WE COULDN'T. SO THAT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS. >> OKAY. >> I'D LIKE TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE ACCESS. IS THERE ANY OTHER CROSS ACCESS THROUGH CREEKWOOD, ANY OTHER, OR IS ANYBODY COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS BRIDAL THAT SHELDON? ALL OF CREEKWOOD AND ALL OF THIS PROPERTY. >> ALL OF CREEKWOOD. >> YEAH, IT'S MY, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER FROM LIVING AT THE HISTORY OF GREEK A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CONNECTION TO WATERCRESS DRIVE, AND I THINK THAT'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS NOW. THE, AN EASEMENT. >> IT IS AN EASEMENT? >> BUT THERE'S NO PUBLIC CONNECTION. RIGHT. >> IT'S JUST -- >> SO -- YEAH. NO, I UNDERSTAND. >> MY, MY THING ABOUT -- WHEN WE START HAVING THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, IT'S CROSS ACCESS. IT'S FLOW. I MEAN, THE REASON WHY AUBURN HAS SOME REALLY BAD TRAFFIC IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS A CUL-DE-SAC, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR, THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, YOU CAN'T GET ACROSS A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THAT'S ALL GOOD. I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT LIVES HERE THINKS IT'S GREAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF ACCESS ANYMORE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL DENSITY, I'M KIND OF -- FAVOR THE WAIVER. >> I WOULD AGREE. >> BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION. >> DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE WAIVER? >> DO YOU DO THEM SEPARATE, THE WAIVER ENDING -- >> YES, YES. THOUGH THERE WILL BE A MOTION ON THE PRELIMINARY -- AND ALSO A MOTION ON THE WAIVER. AND SEEING -- THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FIRST. >> OR THE WAIVER. YEAH. >> GO AHEAD. >> AL MOVED TO APPROVE A WAIVER TO REMOVE THE STUB OUT FROM THIS PROPERTY. >> I SECOND. >> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERTY SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL AGAINST. HEARING NONE, THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE WAIVER PASSES. >> THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PB CASE CASE, PB 2024 044 . >> SECOND. >> CONDITIONS. >> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. . >> ALL AGAINST. MOTION PASSES. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S NEXT? [4. Waiver - RISE Student Housing - PUBLIC HEARING WZ-2024-016] >> HERE IS THE APPLICANT, SIXTH WAIVER FROM ARTICLE 509.43756 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO USE FIBER, TO USE A FIBER CEMENT BOARD AS A -- MATERIAL ON THE EXTERIOR FACADE. THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT 712 RESIDENT AVENUE -- ALABAMA. AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S A SERIES OF LOTS WITH A TOTAL AREA OF 4.27 ACRES. AND THE -- ZONING IS -- NEIGHBORHOOD WEST. [00:45:05] THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF A 725 APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A 798 ON-SITE PARKING DECK. IN THE MATERIALS PROPOSED FOR THE EXTERIOR FACADE ARE ORANGE BRICK, GREEN BRICK, AND FIBER CINNAMON BOARD. ORANGE BRICKS AND CREAM BRICKS ARE LISTED WITHIN THE APPROVED MATERIALS BY THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARD GUIDELINES WITHIN THE U.N. WEST. HOWEVER, THE MATERIAL FIBER CEMENT BOARD IS NOT WITHIN THE LIST OF APPROVED MATERIALS. THE PRELIMINARY RESEARCH ON THE FIBER CEMENT BOARD SHOWS THE GENERAL CONSTITUENTS OF THIS LORDS ARE -- CEMENT AND WATER AND UNITS FIBERS. HOWEVER, IT VARIES -- AND MATERIAL IS DURABLE -- NO MAINTENANCE, RESISTANT TO WATER AND ROT, AND ALSO THE MATERIAL CAN MIMIC VARIOUS NATURAL TEXTURES. THE MAIN CONCERN IS THE PROCESS OF INSTALLATION IS DIFFICULT, AND A LOT HEAVIER. AND, IF INSTALLED INCORRECTLY, IT IS -- TO MORE -- SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MATERIAL, AS IT DOES NOT -- THE DESIGN INTENT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT WITH A CONDITION THAT A COMPLETE MATERIAL AND COLOR PALETTE, ALONG WITH WHERE IT WILL BE USED IN THE BUILDING, SHALL BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, AND THEN MOSTLY APPROVED BY THE -- >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHERE ELSE, WHERE ELSE IN THE CITY DO WE USE THIS FIBER CEMENT BOARD? >> YEAH, SO I CAN ANSWER THAT. THANKS. SO THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL OCCASIONS ON OTHER DOWNTOWN PROJECTS WHERE THE DDR SEE HAS APPROVED FIBER CEMENT BOARD AS A SUFFICIENT ALTERNATIVE. AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE GREATER SCRUTINY ON THIS ONE ON UMW. THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, NEXT TIME THAT WE CONVENE, THE DDR C, I'LL PROBABLY GET A FORMAL OPINION ON ABOUT CHANGING THE POLICY WITH US, BECAUSE THEY'VE APPROVED FIBER CEMENT BOARD AS AN ALTERNATIVE SEVERAL TIMES, TO THE POINT NOW THAT I, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GIVE SOMEBODY CARTE BLANCHE TO MAKE IT THE ENTIRE BUILDING, BUT I DO THINK HAS BEEN LOOKED UPON FAVORABLY AS A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL IN THESE SITUATIONS. >> -- WITH THE FORESITE GROUP. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IT'S A MATERIAL THAT'S USED EVERY DAY IN AUBURN ON CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS, AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. SO IT'S, IT'S HEAVILY USED. IT'S A, IT'S BETTER, IT'S A, IN OUR OPINION, IS A LOT LESS MAINTENANCE, AND STANDS BETTER THAN USING SOME OTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL, AND, AND SO YOU CAN USE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS, WHETHER YOU USE IT -- THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS AND TEXTURES TO VERY IT UP AND VERY, VERY THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING WITH IT. SO WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE A PALLET BOARD GROUP ON OUR STAFF AS WELL. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SO IT'S NO BIG DEAL. BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. ON OUR AGENDA, IT INDICATES THAT THIS WAIVER REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAIVERS DON'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? >> NO IDEA. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> NOW I HEAR A MOTION ON THE WAIVER. >> SURE, I'LL LEAVE TO, OR, MOTION TO APPROVE WAIVER REQUEST WDS 00240 16 WITH CONDITIONS. >> SECOND. >> MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. . ALL AGAINST? MOTION CARRIES. >> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS ITEM IS A [5. Street Naming - Lee Road 677 - PUBLIC HEARING MS-2024-003 ] REQUEST TO RENAME THE EXISTING STREET OF LEE ROAD 677 TO WOODWARD OAKS TRAIL. SO WE BECAME AWARE OF THIS STREET NAME NEEDING A POTENTIAL CHANGE BECAUSE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT LIVES ON THE ROAD CURRENTLY REACHED OUT REGARDING POTENTIAL ENROLLMENT IN THE AUBURN CITY SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE ONCE WE HEARD LEE ROAD 677, WE HAD THAT ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS IN THE COUNTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO IT, JUST A BIT FURTHER, WE REALIZED THAT THIS PROPERTY HAD BEEN ANNEXED TO THE CITY, AND THAT LEE ROAD 677 WAS THE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF AUBURN, OR OWNED BY THE CITY OF AUBURN. SO DISCOVERING THAT, WE KNEW THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND GIVEN A NEW NAME. ACCORDING TO THE CITY OF AUBURN ADDRESSING AND STREET NAME [00:50:01] EMMANUEL TO ESTABLISH CONTINUITY, A STREET RUNNING IN ONE DIRECTION SHOULD IDEALLY HAVE ONE NAME, AND IT SHOULD HAVE THE SAME NAME THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE LENGTH. SO THE RIGHTS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY OF LEE ROAD 677 AND WOODWARD OAKS TRAIL ALIGNED WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO, IDEALLY EXTENDING THE WOODWARD OAKS TRAIL STREET NAME TO THE TERMINUS OF LEE ROAD 677 WOULD BE IDEAL AND CONSISTENT WITH OUR STREET NAMING AND ADDRESS AND POLICIES. I DID WANT TO ADD THAT WE DID SEND OUT LETTERS TO INFORM ALL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT LIVED, THAT CURRENTLY LIVE ALONG LEE ROAD 677, TWO OF THOSE BEING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND ONE BEING OUT BY THE CITY LIMITS. AND THE ONE PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT HERE AT THE VERY END , THEY WOULD RETAIN LEE ROAD 677 AS THEIR STREET NAME ON THEIR CURRENT ADDRESS, UNLESS THEY DECIDED TO ANNEX IN THE FUTURE. SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> SURE. SO THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE, SO I WAS DRIVING UP MIRACLE ROAD TOWARD 677. IT BECOMES, LIKE, -- SO A 677 UNPAVED AS WELL? >> IT IS UNPAVED, YES. >> OKAY. >> THIS DOES APPEAR TO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NONE IN THE PUBLIC, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THE STREET NAME? >> MOVED TO APPROVE AND S2024-003 . >> SECOND. >> A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL AGAINST? MOTION CARRIES. [8. Statutory Review - Auburn High School #2 MS-2024-004 ] >> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS THE -- FOR THE AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL. THIS, OBVIOUSLY, NO RECOMMENDATION FOR OR AGAINST. THE HIGH SCHOOL IS REALLY -- AND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THAT'S THE LOCATION CORNER OF DONAHUE, JUST KIND OF SHOWED UP THERE. GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. I THINK KIND OF OUR ONLY MAJOR THING, I GUESS, I NECESSARILY REALLY KIND OF DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO HER ANYTHING, BUT ALL OF THE MAJOR STREET PLAN THERE IS A ROAD THAT CONNECTS NORTH DONAHUE AND NORTH COLLEGE, AND THAT IS THE ROAD TO THE SOUTH THERE, AND THEN THERE'S A POSSIBLE CONNECTION TO -- SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY BIG THINGS, KIND OF, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. AND STAFF MIGHT STILL WORKING THROUGH THE STAFF PLAN AND A LOT OF THE FINER DETAILS -- AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL. >> OKAY. >> WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR ANYTHING. >> NOTHING TO APPROVE. >> RIGHT. AND THERE WE GO. >> LOOKS GREAT. >> YEAH. SO I GUESS IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING, THE ENGINEER IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT THIS IS STATUTORY REVIEW. >> MY QUESTION IS THIS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. AND LOOKING AT THE STREET, THE ROADS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL, THERE'S, I GUESS, ONE GOING TO A PART, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT. BUT THERE'S ONE THAT GOES AROUND TO THE CIRCLE. AND THE ONE THAT'S GOING OUT, EVENTUALLY, TO NORTH COLLEGE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT ENDS AT, AT THIS LITTLE TERMINUS HERE, THAT IS GOING TO BE USED BY HIGH SCHOOL TRAFFIC, CORRECT? BOTH OF THESE ENTRANCES OFF OF DONAHUE WILL BE USED BY HIGH SCHOOL TRAFFIC. >> YES. THE SCHOOL HAS A PLAN FOR CIRCULATING PARENTS, STUDENTS, AND BUSES TO USE THOSE THREE ENTRANCES, BUT THE, AS JUSTICE MENTIONED, THE ROAD THAT'S ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROJECT IS A, WILL BE A CITY STREET THAT THEY CONSTRUCT. THAT'S ON THE MASTER STREET PLAN. HOW ABOUT THAT? >> GOOD, GOOD. AND WHAT ABOUT THE ONE OUT TO 147? YEAH. >> SO RIGHT NOW, BUT IS PROPOSED AS JUST A PRIVATE DRIVE. THEY WILL HAVE TO GET THAT PERMITTED THROUGH THE D.O.T. FOR ACCESS TO -- JORDAN. BUT IT IS PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS PROJECT. >> AND YOU THINK, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITIES THAT THEY WILL GET THAT APPROVED BY L.? >> I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S PROPOSED THAT THEY WRITE IN, RIGHT OUT RIGHT NOW, SO I THINK THAT'S VERY PROBABLE. >> OH, GOOD. >> COULD BE TRAFFIC LIGHTS HERE -- >> THERE IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL PROPOSED THAT YARBROUGH FARMS BOULEVARD, WHICH IS THE MAIN, THE MAIN ROAD. >> WHICH IS THE MAIN ONE, JUST ACROSS -- YEAH. [00:55:02] >> THAT WILL BE INSTALLED WITH THE PROJECT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL PROCEED TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. >> IS THAT IT? >> THAT'S IT. [STAFF COMMUNICATION] >> ALL RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CHAIRMAN'S COMMUNICATIONS. OUR CHAIRMAN IS GONE. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS FROM STAFF? >> YEAH. SO, SORRY, I'LL JUST CONFIRM THE TIME FOR MONDAY. 5:00 P.M. ON MONDAY. I SAID THAT'S IT. I THINK PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR, 90 MINUTES, MAYBE. WE'LL KIND OF HAVE A OUTLINE OF KIND OF ALL OF THE BIG POINTS, KIND OF THE TALKING POINTS FOR Y'ALL. FOR THE P.O.D. WORK SESSION. FOR EVERYONE. BUT, YEAH. SO, SO WHAT , I HAVE A LOT OF TALKING POINTS. I WON'T HAVE A HARD DOCUMENT, BUT WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF THE BIGGER THINGS THAT WE KIND OF AGREED UPON. LIKE I SAID, SO THIS IS BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF LEGAL REVIEW. THIS HAS BEEN VIEWED BY LEADERSHIP ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, LIKE I SAID, WE KIND OF DISTILLED THIS DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT WE THINK CAN BE PRESENTED TO Y'ALL. SO THAT'S IT. NOT, NOT DONE. LIKE I SAID, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE PRESENTING TO Y'ALL FOR FEEDBACK, KIND OF WHAT WOULD MAKE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE AND MAKE L CONFIDENT IN IT. SO THAT IS THE INTENTION ON MONDAY, SO IT'S NOT JUST , HERE'S THIS, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT ALONG. FEEL FREE TO GIVE US ANY AND ALL FEEDBACK. SO. >> AWESOME. >> WERE ARMY WEEDING? >> JCB. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. DO I HEAR A MO * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.