Jan 09, 2025 Planning Commission

[ROLL CALL]

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P.M. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE JANUARY 9, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL PLEASE. .

>> TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS. THE COMMISSION WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AGENDA ITEMS BY THE CITY STAFF AND A REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. I WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AS APPROPRIATE. WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEARD AND WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR TIME TO FIVE MINUTES AND COMMENTS RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND. AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN THE REPRESENTATIVE AND STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE THE BASED ON STATE , LOCAL, AND CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE THE DIVISION REGARDING SUBPLOTS. WE ARE THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR SUBDIVISION PLOTS. WE ARE BOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS IN -- PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION. WHEN YOU COME TO SPEAK PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS. THE DATES OF THOSE CAN BE SHARED ONCE THE AGENDA ITEM IS VOTED ON. LET'S

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FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM ADAM THICKET AND MY WIFE OLIVIA AND MY CHILDREN DYLAN AND KNOW WHAT. WE LIVE AT BELLEVUE DRIVE.

>> SO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT --

>> COX ROAD HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA BUT CONNOR SAID THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WAS THE TIME TO DO THIS.

>> THAT HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED. IT HAS BEEN POSTPONED. HOW DO

YOU WANT TO HANDLE THIS? >> THE POSTPONED IT AND WE OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT

>> IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ARE YOU

COMFORTABLE HEARING THIS NOW? >> THERE ARE TWO OTHERS HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE COMMENTS AS WELL.

>> IT IS UP TO THE COMMISSION HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT BECAUSE IT IS STILL TECHNICALLY ON THE AGENDA.

>> I THINK THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL BE POSTPONED AND I DO FEEL YOU SHOULD HAVE TIME TO SPEAK SINCE YOU ARE SPEAKING GENERALLY AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. INSTEAD OF US OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

>> ARE YOU ASKING ME TO SIT DOWN?

>> YOU MAY SPEAK. >> I'M SORRY, WHAT , YOU WILL NEED TO DECIDE.

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THERE IS A SCHOOL BUS STOP AT COX ROAD WHERE A NUMBER OF LOCAL STUDENTS, MY CHILDREN INCLUDED, GET ON AND OFF THAT BUS EVERY DAY SO I DON'T THINK 18 WHEELERS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SITUATION WHERE CHILDREN ARE PRESENT IS A GOOD THING.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. I KNOW YOUR JOB IS NOT EASY.

PLEASE KNOW THAT WE WILL BE BACK WHEN THIS AGENDA ITEM

COMES FORWARD. >> THANK YOU.

>> CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING

THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? >> SAME TOPIC.

>> PLEASE COME FORWARD. HAVE YOU SIGNED IN?

>> GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS LULA WHIGHAM MARABOU AND I LIVE IT 2762 COX ROAD. IN AUBURN . IT SEEMS LIKE THIS, KEEPS COMING BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH INCREASED CONCERNS, PRIMARILY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THOSE THAT LIVE IN PROXIMITY TO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS ONE ISSUE. WITH THAT IS THE

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THAT IS A CONCERN. I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF NOT JUST MOBILE TRAFFIC BUT ALSO FOOT TRAFFIC.

IF YOU HAVE A 711 IN YOUR BACKYARD YOU CAN HAVE SOME UNFORESEEN CONCERNS . SERIOUS CONCERNS. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY. THE HEAVY TRAFFIC, THE UNFORESEEN POSSIBLE SAFETY ISSUES AS WELL AS MY OWN POSSIBLE SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN THAT HAVE TO GET ON AND OFF THE SCHOOL BUS IN FRONT OF MY FRONT DOOR.

THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU. CITIZENS

COMMUNICATION? >> YES .

>> SAME ITEM? >> YES.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU HEARING US. I AM DOCTOR STEVE -- AND I LIVE AT 2071 FIELD VIEW DRIVE. I AM WELL AWARE OF HOW DIFFICULT THIS SITUATION IS. HAVE YOU EVER, IN YOUR HOUSE HOW THE HOUSE ALARM GO OFF? OR YOUR SMOKE DETECTOR? YOU PROBABLY HAVE. IT IS MEANT TO HELP YOU AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU ARE ASLEEP YOU WILL WAKE UP. YOU CANNOT SLEEP THROUGH IT. A SMOKE DETECTOR IS 85 DECIBELS. THAT WILL GET YOU OUT OF SLEEP . SAME THING WITH THE HOUSE ALARM. AN IDLING BIG RIG IS 100 DECIBELS. AND THEY WANT TO PUT THAT RIGHT NEXT TO HIS BACKYARD AND I HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO HANDLE IT. TYPICALLY WITH NOISE POLLUTION THEY DO A STUDY TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT THAT CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I CANNOT IMAGINE HAVING THAT KIND OF NOISE THAT CLOSE. I WENT OUT TODAY AND I MEASURED THE TYPICAL DECIBELS . IT IS ABOUT 28 DECIBELS. AN OCCASIONAL CAR COMES BY AND IT GOES UP TO ABOUT 40. 50 IS THE MAXIMUM SO IMAGINE TWICE THAT COMING YOUR WAY AT ALL HOURS.

NOBODY WANTS THAT. THE TRUCKERS THEMSELVES, THEY SAY THEY WOULDN'T WANT THAT NEXT TO THEIR PLACE EITHER. I THINK IT IS A BAD CHOICE . IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE THERE.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE ON CITIZENS COMMUNICATION? AT THIS

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OLD BUSINESS. >> A RIGHT. SO, I IMAGINE THESE NEXT THREE ITEMS WILL BE THE THINGS THAT THE BOARD WILL BE WANTING TO DISCUSS. SO I WILL OUTLINE HOW SOME THINGS WILL GO. THERE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR EACH ITEM. THERE ARE THREE ITEMS . FOR THE REZONING THERE WILL NEED TO BE A VOTE AND THE REZONING TO THE PDD, THERE WILL NEED TO BE A VOTE AND THEN THERE ARE CONDITIONAL USES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SO THERE ARE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOT A Q&A SO DO NOT COME AND ASK QUESTIONS. WE TAKE ALL QUESTIONS DURING PUBLIC HEARING. WE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT PERTAIN TO THE COMMISSION MAKING A DECISION.

IF YOU ATTEMPT Q&A WE WILL NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. IT TO SAY WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND REGARDING THE ITEMS AND WE WILL RESPOND AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT WILL HELP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A DECISION. THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WATCHING AND IT CAN JUST ELONGATE THINGS. MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS WILL NOT BE TREATED AS A Q AND A. THEN , THERE IS THE REZONING THE CDD AND THE REZONING TO THE PDD . THERE IS A WAIVER FOR THE BUMPING OUT ON ONE SIDE AND THERE IS A CONDITIONAL USE AND THAT IS THE FINAL ITEM ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. THREE ITEMS AND FOUR THINGS TO VOTE ON. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOT A Q&A. SO, I WILL GO BACK AND FORTH.

>> THERE IS NOT A SEPARATE HEARING ON THE WAIVER?

>> CORRECT. >> SO, THE RECOMMENDATION IS

[1. Rezoning - Donna Crossing CDD - PUBLIC HEARING ]

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS MEDIUM INTENSITY MIXED-USE AND WHAT IS PROPOSED IS A SINGULAR COMMERCIAL USE.

MEDIUM INTENSITY MIXED-USE OPENS UP FOR COMMERCIAL THINGS AT THIS INTERSECTION. IT HAS LONG BEEN THE POSITION OF THE CITY THAT POLICING THESE HARD INTERSECTIONS FOR THE EXISTENCE OF COMMERCIAL TO EVENTUALLY SERVE AS COMMERCIAL IMPACTS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. NORMALLY THE CITY DOES NOT -- THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF APPREHENSION ABOUT REZONING TO CDD. THE SUPPORT FOR REZONING THIS TO CDD IS WITH THE SUPPORT OF APPLYING THE DEE OVERLAY WITH THAT. IT DOES PROVIDE PROTECTIONS WITHIN CDD THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST. IF THERE WERE NO PDD WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THE CDD.

PREVIOUSLY WE HAD ODD. CDD IS THE MORE INTENSE ZONE AND IS MORE PRESENT -- PERMISSIVE. LIKE IT SAYS, COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OPENS UP AND ALLOWS A BIGGER TOOLBOX FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE THAT. IN THE PAST, ODD, A MORE WATERED-DOWN VERSION HAS TIGHTER AND I THINK MORE CONCISE USES. MUCH BETTER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER.

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>> DOES THE PDD RESTRICT ANYTHING ELSE? JUST THE USES?

>> YES. >> CONDITIONAL USES YES. ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS IS THAT IN CDD SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING IS A BY RIGHT. PEOPLE LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP BECAUSE IT IS IN CDD THEY CAN BUILD IT BY RIGHT. THAT IS HOW YOU END UP GETTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES IN PLACES WHERE YOU WOULD THINK THIS MAKES MORE SENSE IF IT WAS COMMERCIAL.

>> I DO SEE THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED.

>> YES. WE CAN KIND OF GET TO THAT. IT IS TIED MORE TO THE PDD. THERE ARE A LOT OF USES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO WE CAN GO TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHORTLY.

>> IS THIS JUST A REZONING TO OPEN UP THIS AREA FROM WORLD TO

THE MAXIMUM DENSITY? >> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

PROCEDURAL QUESTION HERE, SO, PDD ARE NOT ALLOWED IN RURAL SO TO APPLY FOR A PDD YOU HAVE TO REZONE TO A DISTRICT THAT DOES ALLOW FOR A PDD. THE REASON THEY ARE REQUESTING THE REZONING TO PDD -- IT IS A PROCEDURAL THING.

>> YES. >> THEY CANNOT DO THAT OTHERWISE. IT WOULD BE DEAD ON ARRIVAL.

>> ONE QUESTION I HAD IS THE MIXED INTENSITY OR MIXED-USE IS PART OF THE CURRENT LAND-USE PROGRAM?

>> CORRECT. THAT IS PART OF THE FUTURE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> THIS HAS BEEN A STATED INITIATIVE OF THE CITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE OUR HARD THOROUGHFARE INTERSECTIONS FOR COMMERCIAL AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. ANYWHERE WE CAN GET COMMERCIAL THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST HAVE.

>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. ON NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE OR WEST FARMVILLE ROAD. THIS IS PROBABLY FOR STAFF . SHOULD I

WAIT? >> IS IT MORE FOR STAFF OR THE

APPLICANT? >> STAFF.

>> I CAN ANSWER THAT . >> I WANT TO KNOW, NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE IS CLASSIFIED AS WHAT TYPE OF ROAD AND WHAT TYPE OF ROAD IS WEST FARMVILLE ROAD CLASSIFIED AS ?

>> THEY ARE BOTH ARTERIALS. >> ARE THE CORRIDORS TO THE

CITY? >> TECHNICALLY ANYTHING THAT IS

ARTERIAL IS A CORRIDOR. >> THERE WOULD BE AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS TO THE BUILDING WITH ANYTHING ON THE CORRIDOR.

SO CLADDING AND CERTAIN MATERIALS HAVE TO BE USED TO SATISFY THE AESTHETIC STANDARDS.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC

HEARING? >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS MEDIUM INTENSITY, IT DOES NOT FALL WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT

DISTRICT . IS THAT CORRECT? >> I GUESS, THERE IS A DUALITY

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BUT THIS IS RELATED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER.

>> AND THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS CDD RIGHT NOW.

>> YES. CORRECT. >> TWO STATEMENTS IN THIS PART OF THE REQUEST. BY STAFF THAT THE MDP, PART OF THE PLAN DISTRICT, THEY ARE ALL TIED IN HERE. IT CAN BE BENEFICIAL FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS. WHEN WE GET TO THE PDD AND THE CONDITIONAL USE THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THIS. -- MAY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. UNDER THIS REQUEST HAS THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT , HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS? BECAUSE, I AM READING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE IS A COMPROMISE SO BOTH SIDES HAVE TO BE IN --. AS I LOOK AT THIS AND THE DENSITY OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THE PDD, IS THERE ANY COMPROMISE?

>> THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

>> THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT.

>> ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW FROM RURAL TO CDD. IF YOU WOULD

LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. >> I AM JIM GREEN. I AM RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. TO ME IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SPEAK ON ONE WITHOUT SPEAKING ON ALL OF THEM BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, LEADS TO NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER TWO TO NUMBER THREE SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY JUST DON'T DO THE ZONING. THEN NOT TALK ABOUT IT ALL AT ONE TIME. HELP ME OUT

HERE. >> WHAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE ON THIS ONE, IF ANYONE WAS GOING TO, IF ANYBODY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE DISTANCE AND POTENTIAL USES AND WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED I WOULD SAY -- THE REZONING DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THE OUTLINE OR THE LAYOUT. THE REZONING TALKS ABOUT REZONING AND THERE ARE USES THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OR THE DISTANCE OR THE CLOSENESS OF PROPOSED USES ON THE LAYOUT THAT YOU SEE, I WOULD SAY WAIT UNTIL THERE ARE OTHER PUBLIC

HEARINGS. >> IT'S MORE THAT IF WE DON'T SAY SOMETHING ON NUMBER ONE, DO YOU VOTE FOR NUMBER ONE TO GO

TO CDD? >> IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THIS REZONING HAS A CAVEAT SAYING THAT IT IS ONLY MOVING

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>> SO I SHOULD SIT DOWN AND WAIT UNTIL PART TWO.

>> THE PDD IN MY OPINION IS WHERE ALL AVENUES ARE OPEN FOR

CONVERSATION. >> IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE VOTED FOR IT THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE FIGHTING ABOUT IT. BUT I WILL

RETURN. >> OKAY.

>> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. COMMISSIONERS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M SO SORRY. DO YOU WANT TO

SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? >> I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT I UNDERSTAND.

ARE TWO OTHER OPTIONS FOR YOU. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> I AM NANCY AND I LIVE IT 1708 CRESCENT BOULEVARD. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE HERE TO ASK THAT YOU TURN DOWN THE REQUEST TO DEVELOP A STRIP MALL NEXT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE RESIDENTS CAME TOGETHER A FEW YEARS AGO TO OPPOSE A REQUEST BY THE SAME DEVELOPER. WE GREATLY APPRECIATED THAT THE COUNCIL TURNED DOWN THAT REQUEST FOR REASONS THAT YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT. AFTER THE PREVIOUS OPPOSITION, EIGHT BILLBOARDS WERE CONSTRUCTED ALONG DONAHUE REDUCING THE BEAUTY OF THE AREA AND IMPACTING PROPERTY VALUES. THIS WAS ONCE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL STRETCH OF ROAD ENTERING INTO AUBURN AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE BILLBOARDS COULD BE REMOVED BUT THAT IS NOT WHY I AM HERE TO TALK WITH YOU. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CURRENT REQUEST. IT WOULD DECREASE PROPERTY VALUES AND BRING IN MORE CONGESTION WHEN WE HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL COMING IN AND TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS NEAR THERE. WE FEEL THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT COULD BE DONE APPROPRIATELY BUT THE CURRENT DEVELOPER, WHAT HE DID THROWING IT BACK IN OUR FACE RATHER THAN WORKING WITH US WAS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE AND I THINK THAT HIS METHODS ARE VERY QUESTIONABLE. I AM OFF SCRIPT

BUT -- >>

>> WE CARE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HATE WHAT HAS HAPPENED ON NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE WITH THE BILLBOARDS. THAT REALLY WAS JUST A SLAP IN THE FACE TO US AND TO ALL OF YOU FOR RETALIATION FOR WHAT HAPPENED A FEW YEARS AGO. THERE HAS BEEN NO EFFORT TO WORK WITH US AS A COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE DONE IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING THAT IS WONDERFUL. THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN MOORESVILLE, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD STAND FOR THAT IN THAT LOCATION AND WE'D DON'T WANT YOU TO STAND FOR IT HERE. WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO.

WE CARE ABOUT OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND THE BILLBOARDS ARE A SLAP IN THE FACE AND DEVALUED OUR PROPERTIES. WE CARE ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENS. THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS RIGHT THERE. A NEW ONE BUILT DOWN FROM THE FIRE STATION AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THE OLD ONE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. THEY HAVE ALL OF THESE NEW BILLBOARDS ADVERTISING LIQUOR STORES. THE PROPERTIES THAT THIS MAN OWNS.

IT IS A SLAP IN OUR FACE AND WE DO NOT FEEL THAT OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE BEING RESPECT. THIS MAN IS BEING ALLOWED TO DO WHAT HE WANTS WITHOUT -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW. BUT WE CARE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT . UNLESS HE IS

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>> THANK YOU. >> WHAT I WILL SAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE OPENED A PUBLIC HEARING, OUR PURVIEW IS NOT ABOUT WHO IS DOING IT. BILLBOARDS ARE NOT ALLOWED AND IT IS NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW TO TALK ABOUT THAT. IF THIS MAKES SENSE FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT , THAT IS HOW WE ARE VIEWING THIS SO PLEASE KNOW THAT BILLBOARDS, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT AND WHO IS DOING IT WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT.

>> IT IS RETALIATION AND THAT IS NOT IN THE GOODWILL OF AUBURN. THE REASON WE VOTE FOR EACH OF YOU IS THIS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS CORRIDOR IS RESPECTED. IT AFFECTS OUR PROPERTY VALUES. WE WILL BE HERE A LONG TIME AND WE WANT

YOU TO BE OUR REPRESENTATIVES. >> THAT IS WHY THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WHEN ALL OF THESE GO THROUGH TONIGHT WE WILL SHARE WHAT DATE THEY WILL BE SHARED

WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE HEARING ON THIS AGENDA

ITEM IS STILL OPEN. >> MY NAME IS CHRIS --. I LIVE IT 1479 IN 2020 AND WE LANDED IN NASHVILLE. WE DROVE TO NINE CITIES. 10 UNIVERSITIES. MY DAUGHTER WAS ACCEPTED TO AUBURN AND IT WAS A NICE LITTLE TOWN. I ASSOCIATE WITH SO MANY HERE WHO DON'T SEE IT THIS WAY ANYMORE. IN CALIFORNIA I SAW THE SLASH AND BURN OF THE COMMUNITY. LOOK AT THE TOWN NOW AND AT RUSH HOUR IT IS GRIDLOCK. ON UNIVERSITY CARS WOULD BE BACKED UP . YOU FINALLY PUT A LEFT TURN IN BUT IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING IN.

FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WHAT I SEE, LIKE THE LADY WAS JUST SAYING ON DONAHUE, IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING .

THERE IS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND CARS ARE WHIZZING BY. YOU HAVE A SCHOOL AND A FIRE STATION. I JUST DON'T THINK IT CAN SUPPORT IT WITHOUT MAKING IT A FOUR-LANE ROAD. I AM NOT FOR IT AND I AM SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT. IT IS CHANGING THE DIRECTION OF THIS NICE LITTLE TOWN.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS STERLING SULLIVAN AND I LIVE AT 1748 -- BUT MY BUSINESS IS THE AUBURN OAKS

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ACROSS THE STREET IS DIFFERENT. LET'S JUST SAY THAT . WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE BEAUTY OF NORTH AUBURN. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE TREES THAT WERE DESTROYED. WHEN WE BUILT WE WANTED TO ADD TO THE BEAUTY OF AUBURN AND WE HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS FAR AS WHAT GOES IN ACROSS THE

STREET FROM THERE. >> JENNIFER JACKSON. 1736 POST OAK COURT. I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PICTURE.

IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF SPACE. THE SPACE BEHIND MY HOUSE, THE LITTLE TRIANGULAR BIT IS JUST A SPIT OF LAND. IT IS SO SMALL. THE LITTLE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS CITY LINE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WILL BUILD SOMETHING JARRETT -- THERE AND HAVE SPACE. IT LOOKS LARGE BUT IT IS NOT LARGE. I POSTED LAST TIME, I HOPE, WHAT I AM HEARING IS IT IS KIND OF A DONE DEAL FOR THE CDD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS CORRECT OR NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST, AT THIS POINT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PROTECTED WITH THE PDD OVERLAY. MY CONFIDENCE IN THE CITY HAS WANED GREATLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. I HAVE LIVED IN AUBURN SINCE 1988. SOME THINGS WERE GREAT. BUT SOME THINGS ARE HEARTBREAKINGLY DISAPPOINTING. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG CORE DOOR AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER RING ROAD BUT WHAT IS NOT BEING SHOWN ON THIS PICTURE IS HOW REALLY SMALL THAT IS. THESE ARE SMALL ROADS AND NOT A LOT OF ROOM. FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF ROOM TO GET OUT OF STONE POINT. SO, PLEASE, BEFORE YOU OPEN UP ALL OF THIS, DRIVE IT YOURSELF. GO AND SEE IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS SETH HUMPHREY AND I LIVE AT 1673 STONE POINT DRIVE. IT IS THE LAST STREET BEFORE THE LIGHT IN MY HOUSE IS THE SECOND ONE ON THE LEFT.

THIS IS WHAT I LOOK AT EVERY DAY. IT WAS NOT WHEN I MOVED THERE. I MOVED TO TO A WIRRAL AREA AND THAT IS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE. I HAVE TWO YOUNG CHILDREN AND THEY ARE ALWAYS IN THE FRONT YARD PLAYING. THIS CHANGE IN DESIGNATION IS NOT OF BENEFIT TO MY FAMILY AND I WOULD APPRECIATE DENYING THIS REQUEST. I AM A STAUNCH -- I CANNOT SPEAK MORE AGAINST THIS CHAIN OF LOCATIONS HERE. IS -- IF THE CITY IS REALLY TRULY WANTING TO DESIGNATE CORNERS FOR COMMERCIAL, THERE IS ALREADY A GAS STATION AT THAT CORNER. NEARBY THERE IS SHOPPING CENTERS. THERE IS A DOLLAR GENERAL RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. THE NEED HAS BEEN MET IF THERE EVER WAS A NEED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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>> THANK YOU. PLEASE SIGN IN. >> GOOD EVENING. EMILY ANTONIO FROM -- POPLAR DRIVE. I HAVE BEEN IN AUBURN ABOUT 25 YEARS NOW AND WE CHOSE TO STAY HERE AND RAISE KIDS. I HAVE BEEN A TEACHER HERE 13 YEARS AND I GREATLY VALUE THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM AND ALL OF THE PLANNING THAT GOES INTO OUR SCHOOLS AND FRANKLY SPEAKING, RIGHT OFF THE MAP IS THE BRAND-NEW WOODLAND PINES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. NO OTHER SCHOOL HAS COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT BACKS UP TO THEM. AND THEY ARE NESTLED IN NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT THE YOUNGEST GENERATIONS HAVE THE WOODS TO PLAY IN. I HOPE THAT YOU MAKE THE DECISION TO CONTINUE THAT LEGACY FOR NORTH AUBURN KIDS TOO. WE ARE ADDING MORE SCHOOLS. I THINK IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUT A STRIP MALL OR EVEN POTENTIAL FUTURE STRIP MALL WITH RESTAURANTS AND PARKING RIGHT IN THE NEWEST SCHOOL OF AUBURN.

>> MY NAME IS PAULA DAVIS AND MY ADDRESS IS 2074 FELICITY LANE IN AUBURN. I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT BILLBOARDS . I HOPE MY COMMENTS TODAY REFLECT THAT . I HOPE YOU WILL LOOK AT THE APPLICANT BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. I ALSO WANTED TO COMMENT, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF HAVING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ON CORRIDORS. IT DOVETAILS WITH WHAT THE PREVIOUS RESIDENT JUST MENTIONED. IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO SCHOOLS AND RIGHT NEXT TO HOMES. I SPOKE WITH A GOOD NUMBER OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT WANTED TO ATTEND BUT DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK. I TOLD THEM I WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND. IF YOU ARE IN ATTENDANCE BUT DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, FEEL FREE TO STAND UP. SO, OTHER NEIGHBORS , WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE SCALE AND PROXIMITY BUT TO -- WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH.

PARTICULARLY IN THIS LOCATION. NOT ALL OF YOU WERE ON THE COMMISSION LAST TIME. QUITE A FEW WERE NOT BUT THE LAST REQUEST WAS INAPPROPRIATE. IN 2018 DONAHUE RIDGE THAT WE HAD WORKED OUT A COMPROMISE WITH THE DEVELOPER . THEY DETERMINED HIS SECOND REQUEST WAS INAPPROPRIATE SO HE RESPONDED BY PLACING A DOUBLE BILLBOARD AT THE ENTRY TO OUR AREA. WE WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH HIM BUT HE STILL PUT IT THERE. I DID EMAIL YOU A COPY OF MY COMMUNICATION WITH HIM WHERE HE CLAIMS THE BILLBOARDS WERE NOT RETALIATION BUT HIS ACTIONS SEEMED OTHERWISE. IF HE IS WILLING TO DO THAT WE CANNOT BELIEVE HE WILL ACT IN GOOD FAITH WITH ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO COME WITH STRICT ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND CDD IS NOT THAT. THE CITY OF AUBURN ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE IS THE PROMOTION OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PRESENT AND FUTURE INHABITANTS OF AUBURN BY -- IN THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THAT THESE ACTIONS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. WE CANNOT JUST LET THIS DEVELOPER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE DONE IN GOOD FAITH. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU HONOR

THE ZONING ORDINANCE . >> THANK YOU. PLEASE SIGN IN.

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>> MY NAME IS JAMES AND I LIVE IN CAMDEN RIDGE AT 1672 CRESCENT BOULEVARD. I THINK MANY OF THE SPEAKERS HERE HAVE ARTICULATED OUR POSITION VERY WELL. HOPEFULLY ADEQUATELY, TO IMPRESS UPON THE MEMBERS HERE THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN CAMDEN RIDGE AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. IT SEEMS THAT AUBURN AND OUR AREA MIGHT HAVE OUR OWN HARRY POTTER AND THE DISDAIN FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS INCREASED AND MORPHED INTO A CLASSIC INDIVIDUAL WHO APPEARS TO BE AGAINST HIS FELLOW CITIZENS. WE KNOW THAT THE BILLBOARDS THAT HAD BEEN PLACED UP AND DOWN DONAHUE ARE UNSIGHTLY AS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED BY ANOTHER MEMBER HERE. WHAT IT HAS DONE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS REALLY BEEN TO THE DETRIMENT OF OURSELVES AND ANYONE VISITING OR COMING DOWN THE LANE. I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT THE APPLICANT, ALTHOUGH HE IS AN INDIVIDUAL IN HIS METHODS AND MOTIVES , THEY ARE NOT TO BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE PURVIEW OR JURISDICTION OF ALL OF YOU, I THINK IT MAY HAVE SOME REFLECTION UPON WHETHER HE WOULD BE AN INDIVIDUAL ACTING IN GOOD FAITH ATTEMPTING TO HAMMER OUT OR FIND A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO ALL OF THE PARTIES. FOR THAT AND THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BECOME UNSIGHTLY, SOME WOULD ARGUE, UNNECESSARY WOULD CHANGE THE FLAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. I WOULD REQUEST THAT THIS BODY ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF MY NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS THAT HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO BE PRESENT AND VOTE DOWN NOT ONLY THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING A PDD BUT ALSO AN L DD. MY FEAR IS ONCE THE INERTIA HAS BEGUN WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO STOP IT AND IT WILL JUST BOWL OVER ALL OF US. I DO ASK THAT YOU ADDRESS THIS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THOSE AND MANY OTHERS UNABLE TO ATTEND AND VOTE DOWN THIS MEASURE .

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD EVENING. I AM MIKE SMITH AND I LIVE IT 2003 MOHICAN DRIVE IN AUBURN. I HAVE NOT BEEN A RESIDENT OF AUBURN VERY LONG. I SPENT 20 YEARS IN MILITARY SERVICE AROUND THE COUNTRY. MY FAMILY CHOSE AUBURN BECAUSE OF THE VILLAGE TYPE MENTALITY. I WILL SAY THAT I LIVE IN THE PRESERVE WHICH IS JUST WEST ALONG WEST FARMVILLE ROAD. I HAVE LIVED IN MANY LOCATIONS WHERE I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMMUTE TO WORK BY BICYCLE AND I STILL DO THIS TODAY. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE MY LIFE INSURANCE IS UP TO DATE BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LOCATIONS WHERE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS INEVITABLE AND IT WILL HAPPEN AS WE GROW. WHAT MAKES SOME PLACES IT DIFFERENT IS HOW WE GROW AND THE SUSTAINABILITY WITH WHICH WE GROW AND THE SYNERGY BETWEEN DEVELOPERS AND RESIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW THE DEVELOPER THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT BUT I TRUST THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN HONEST. SOME OF MY GREATEST MEMORIES , I HAVE TWO KIDS, 16 AND 13. I KNOW WOODLAND PINES ELEMENTARY IS A DOWN THE ROAD BUT SOME OF MY GREATEST MEMORIES ARE WALKING MY KIDS TO SCHOOL. ALSO WALKING TO MAYBE A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT

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WOODLAND PINES HAS NO WAY TO RIDE A BICYCLE TO WORK. IF TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THIS MEDIUM INTENSITY MIXED-USE WOULD BRING, IS THERE A CONSIDERATION AND AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION HOW CAN WE SUSTAINABLY GROW AND DECREASE THE RATE OF TRAFFIC AT THIS INTERSECTION. A BIKE LANE WOULD HELP AND SIDEWALKS WOULD HELP. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS WORTH THE TRANSPARENCY TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT THERE. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WELL ALL WELL ARTICULATED NOTES BUT I , THE BILLBOARDS DID GO UP WHEN I MOVED HERE. I THOUGHT IT WAS ODD BUT DIDN'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION COMING FROM LARGER CITIES. IF THERE IS THIS APPROVAL OF THE PDD AND THE CDD THAT THERE IS SOME TYPE OF TRANSPARENCY AND THOUGHT AS TO HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS NORTH SIDE OF AUBURN HAVE THE SAME AFFECT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN AUBURN THAT CAN WALK THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL . RIGHT NOW I THINK THE WAY FORWARD, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE OR EVEN GREEN SPACES WHERE THESE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE DEVELOPED, WE CAN JUST LOOK THERE. MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS AREA. I KNOW I KIND OF RAMBLED ON BUT I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT BICYCLE LANES, SIDEWALKS,

SUSTAINABILITY. THANK YOU. >> HELLO. I AM KATIE MORROW AND I LIVE AT 1703 CRESCENT. I DID NOT COME INTENDING TO SPEAK BUT EVERYBODY HAS MADE SO MANY GOOD POINTS. AND THE LESS SPEAKER TALKED ABOUT GREEN SPACE. I HAVE A THIRD GRADE DAUGHTER WHO ATTENDED WOODLAND PINES LAST YEAR AND IS THAT YARBOROUGH. MY HUSBAND, WE MOVED HERE FROM VIRGINIA AND HE WOULD BIKE THERE BUT HE IS SCARED TO DO THAT HERE. HE CANNOT GET ON DONAHUE. THE BILLBOARDS ARE UNSIGHTLY AND THEY ADVERTISE ALCOHOL BETWEEN TWO SCHOOLS. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CDD AND THE PDD AND WE LOOKED UP SOME OF THE POSSIBLE USES. YOU MENTIONED SOME VERY WHOLESOME THINGS THAT COULD BE THERE, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. LIKE ICE CREAM SHOPS. BUT SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE AROUND TO OUR PAWNSHOPS. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT, ACCESSORY STORES WHERE PEOPLE CAN HANG OUT IN PARKING LOTS. HALFWAY HOUSES. ALL OVER -- ALL OTHER USES. IT IS CONCERNING. YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES.

WE COULD HAVE THINGS LIKE THE PAWN SHOP AND A VAPE SHOP OR A CHECK CASHING PLACE. IT IS CONCERNING AND I FEEL LIKE THE LESS SPEAKER MADE A GOOD POINT. I AM AN EDUCATOR AND BUSINESS OWNER AND IT DOES MEAN A LOT TO ME TO LIVE HERE AND BE A PART OF THE AUBURN COMMUNITY. BUT IT IS CONCERNING TO THINK THAT NOT ONLY WOULD WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS AND WE HAVE TO SEE THE BILLBOARDS BUT THAT PDD COULD INCLUDE A LOT OF UNSAVORY RATHER THAN WHOLESOME THINGS BETWEEN OUR SCHOOLS. I WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE IT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE CDD IS VOTED DOWD THEN THE PDD WILL BE VOTED DOWN AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWABLE UNDER THE PDD COULD NOT HAPPEN TO US AND AROUND OUR

CHILDREN. THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE GOING TO WANT TO

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>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. YOU

ALREADY SPOKE ON THIS ONE. >> I APOLOGIZE.

>> DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? I

WILL COUNT TO 10 AND MAKE SURE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

>> YOU CAN SPEAK AT THE NEXT ONE. YOU CAN BE THE FIRST PERSON TO SPEAK AT THE NEXT ONE.

>> I WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF, COMMISSIONERS? AND REMEMBER WE ARE CONSIDERING WORLD TO CDD WITH THE CONDITION, IF THE PDD DOES NOT GO FORWARD NEITHER DOES THE CDD.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION. I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. HAS THE APPLICANT APPROACHED OR ATTEMPTED TO DISCUSS OR WORK OUT ANYTHING

WITH THE RESIDENTS? >> NOT DIRECTLY, NO. I THINK A LOT OF THE INPUT FROM THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARING FROM SIX YEARS AGO WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE REVISED LAYOUT OF THE NEW PLAN SO SOME OF THOSE INPUTS WERE INCORPORATED IN THE

REVISED PLAN. >> WHEN YOU SAY NOT DIRECTLY,

THE ANSWER IS NO. >> CORRECT.

>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE APPLICANT WHILE HE IS HERE?

COMMISSIONERS. >> WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS DOES

YOUR CLIENT HAVE? >> THAT IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW

TO DISCUSS. >> DISREGARD.

>> I DO WANT TO ASK A QUESTION SINCE I AM LOOKING AT THIS CDD THING UNDER THE ENGINEERING ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY. SO IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT IS WHEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAPPENS?

>> CORRECT. >> THIS MIGHT GO TO STAFF. I'M

NOT SURE. SIDEWALKS. >> YES. I GUESS,

>>

>> ONCE THE APPLICANT IS DONE WE CAN ANSWER SOME THINGS IN

THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> WE DON'T HAVE A PRELIMINARY

VIEW OF WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, IN REGARDS TO NORTH DONAHUE NEEDING TO BE FOUR-LANE, IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY BUDGET , THE FIRST PHASE OF DONAHUE WIDENING FROM THE BRIDGE TO EAST UNIVERSITY IS IN DESIGN AND BUDGETED TO BE CONSTRUCT.

THE REST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE BRIDGE TO THE INTERSECTION ARE PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. I DO NOT KNOW IF THE RESIDENTS KNOW THIS BUT NORTH DONAHUE IS PROPOSED TO BE A FIVE LANE SECTION WITH BIKE LANES, A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE AND A MULTIUSE PATH ON THE OTHER. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, THE CITY WILL BE PROVIDING THAT AS PART OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN OVER THE NEXT 5-6 YEARS. IN REGARDS TO OUR PROJECT, THIS IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG ROAD FRONTAGES. WHETHER WE ARE THERE BEFORE, WHETHER OUR GROCERY STORE IS CONSTRUCTED BEFORE OR AFTER THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS OR THE CITY IS PUTTING IN THE SIDEWALKS. THE ABILITY TO BIKE TO WORK OR WALK YOUR KID TO SCHOOL WILL BE BETTER. YOU CAN WALK ALL THE WAY UP TO WOODLAND PINES. MULTIUSE PASS CONNECT THROUGH

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>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. >> I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE. I THINK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SUSTAINABILITY. THE APPLICANT ALLUDED TO, WITH THE FUTURE FOR FARMVILLE ROAD AND NORTH DONAHUE, THERE IS AN ACTIVE FUNDED PLAN TO LOOK AT THE EXPANSION OF NORTH DONAHUE AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION. ESPECIALLY INTERSECTIONS THAT GO INTO AN INTERSECTION OF THIS MAGNITUDE.

ALSO, TO GET CONNECTIVITY TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC OFF OF THE THOROUGH FAIRS. THESE ARE THINGS WE ARE ACTIVELY CONSIDERING. THIS IS REALLY CONTINGENT WITH THE PATTERN THAT WE SEE IN AUBURN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE GREEN SPACE ALLOCATED THROUGHOUT THEM. BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IN THE PLAN, TO GET MORE GREEN SPACE AND PARKS IN THIS AREA AND WE ARE LOOKING AT HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND THE EXPANSION OF THESE ROADS THERE ARE PLANS TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THAT AND I THINK THE PARADOX WITH THAT IS TO GET THOSE THINGS THERE, IT IS DEVELOPMENT.

SPEAKING TO THE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND SUSTAINABILITY AS A FOCUS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS GO INTO CONSIDERATION. UPGRADES , WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE UPGRADES NEED TO BE. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE WHEN WE GET TO THE CONDITIONAL USES. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE REACTING TO. I THINK THE FREQUENCY AND THE VOLUME OF DEVELOPMENT IN SOME CORRIDORS, THINGS BUILD UP TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE ALMOST PLAYING CATCH-UP BUT WE DO HAVE ACTIVE PLANS TO DO SOME OF THE

THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED. >> COMMISSIONERS --

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF I COULD?

>> SURE. >> FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE

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>> COMMISSIONERS ANY OTHER MOTIONS?

>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE CASE RZ-2024-016 WITH CONDITIONS.

>> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.

>> SECOND . >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

[2. Rezoning - Donna Crossing PDD - PUBLIC HEARING ]

ON THE TABLE. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE .

>> OPPOSED? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO , THE

PDD. >> WITH THIS ONE THERE ARE A BIT MORE NUANCES. YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT ON MONDAY, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TONIGHT AT PUBLIC HEARING, THIS IS WHERE THE USES CAN BE FURTHER RESTRICT DID. I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL AT THE TOP THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE THEM OUT OF BOTH. NOT JUST THE CONDITIONAL USES. YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE PDD AS WELL. SO I MAKE THAT POINT FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS CONCERNS ABOUT LISTED USES. NOW IS THE TIME TO RESTRICT IT ON THE PDD AND THE CDD SHOULD THEY BE APPROVED .

>> MAY ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION? WHY DO WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION DURING THE PDD ABOUT USES?

>> IT IS BECAUSE THE REQUEST CAME IN WITH SPECIFIC USES.

>> YES . >> WE ARE APPROVING THEM IN THE

CONDITIONAL USE. >> RIGHT. THERE IS THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THE PDD. AND THE PLAN OUTLINES THE USES.

LET'S SAY YOU DENY IT ON THE CONDITIONAL USE BUT IT IS STILL REFLECTED IN THE PDD, THE PDD WOULD SUPERSEDE SO YOU NEED TO

RESTRICT THEM IN BOTH. >> BUT THEY CAN COME BACK WITH FURTHER CONDITIONAL USES AT A LATER DATE?

>> YES . >> AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE

ANY APPROVED AT ALL? >> RIGHT.

>> OKAY. SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPLY THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DESIGNATION TO APPROXIMATELY 13.74 ACRES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT PENDING APPROVAL OF RZ-2024-012 . THIS IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER

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SO, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING IT AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID POINT OUT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS POSSIBLY -- I KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT IS SHOWN , THE GENERAL TRAJECTORY OF RETAIL IS THAT THEY DID THESE BLANKET APPROVALS AND IT IS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE HUNTING FOR TENANTS. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT WILL GO WHERE. THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET -- SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. FROM A LAYOUT STANDPOINT THAT IS REALLY WHAT THE USES ARE. THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU MAY NOT BE COMFORTABLE GRANTING THE BLANKET USE FOR.

THOSE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK ON THEIR OWN SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USE. NOW I WANT TO GET TO THE LAYOUTS OF THE ROADMAP. THIS IS ALL IN THEIR PROPOSAL. IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THE ENTRANCE ON NORTH CANON DRIVE. LET ME TRY -- NORTH CAMDEN DRIVE. AT THE VERY BOTTOM. WHERE IT SAYS NORTH CAMDEN DRIVE, WE HAVE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANT. USUALLY STAFF DOES PROMOTE CONNECTIVITY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I DO

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THERE WE GO. >> THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO NEED THE BUFFER. THIS WAS THE WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE BUFFER. I KNOW ON THE MAP, ON THE LAST MAP WHERE IT SAYS WHERE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS, IT IS ON THE -- IT IS ON THE SLOT. THIS SIDE IS ALL WOODS. THERE IS NO INTENT TO ENCROACH UPON THAT. STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THE NEED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER. LIKE WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, PROXIMITY TO THESE THINGS DOES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND THAT IS WHY THIS WAS ON THE WESTERN SIDE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SINCE THERE IS ALREADY A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER , WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO WAIVE THE BUFFER.

OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE IS A BUFFER THEY EXCEEDED IT GREATLY. GRADE 3 TYPE FENCE IS REQUIRED. THAT IS ONE OF THE HIGHER STANDARDS FOR THE FENCING AND THAT REFLECTS THE GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN WHERE THE BOUNDARIES ARE AND WHERE THE

HOUSES ARE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. TO REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU SAID THERE IS A FENCE ALONG

THAT LINE? >> A TYPE III FENCE ALONG THE

BUFFER. >> ALL AROUND IT?

>> YES. >> NOT ALONG, NOT ALONG NORTH

DONAHUE . >> BUT ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL

ROAD? >> YES.

>> BUT WE ARE WAIVING THAT ON THE SCHOOL SIDE?

>> YES. IT WILL BE DOWN TO FIVE BECAUSE IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY WOODED ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THAT SCHOOL WATCH.

>> BUT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE THEY DON'T INCREASE THE

BUFFER. >> YES. THAT IS SOMETHING THEY WERE VERY SENSITIVE TO IN THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING. THAT WAS KIND OF THEIR DISCUSSION REGARDING THE LAYOUT. THEY WANTED TO MOVE THINGS, ADDING MORE BUFFER WHERE REQUIRED.

THEY DID ADD SUBSTANTIAL BUFFERING AND THERE WAS A CHANGE FROM THE BACK YARDS TO WHERE THE ROADS WOULD BE FOR

THE USES. >> THERE IS A TURN LANE?

>> YES. I GUESS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE WOULD BE SPELLED OUT ONCE THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT YET.

>> SEPARATE CONDITIONS AS WELL? >>

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>> THERE IS SOMETHING THAT TALKS ABOUT VEGETATION AS THE BUFFER NOT A FENCE. BUT YOU CLARIFIED THAT A FENCE WILL BE

REQUIRED? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON THE

FIVE FOOT SIDE? >> THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE DEVELOPER. WHAT IS HIS UNDERSTANDING OF IT? WHERE IS THE FENCE GOING? IS IT IN THE 30 FOOT BUFFER ZONE.

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT OF THE APPLICANT, THEY CAN

COME UP. >> RIGHT NOW?

>> SO THE QUESTION IS, IF A FENCE IS REQUIRED, WHERE WOULD

IT GO? >> A FENCE IS REQUIRED BUT WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE PUT? IN THE 30 FOOT BUFFER AREA?

>> IT WOULD EITHER HAVE TO BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND -- OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEHIND THE

CURB LINE. >>

>> IF A TYPE A FENCE IS REQUIRED, WE WOULD TRY TO PUT IT THE BEST PLACE TO SCREEN. I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE HIGH SIDE

TO SCREEN. >> WE ARE NOT PUTTING THE FIVE

FOOT OFFER ON THE SCHOOL SIDE? >> NO. WE ARE WAIVING THAT BECAUSE THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL WOODED PROPERTY THERE.

>> SO, NO FENCE? >> NO FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE -- .

>> BUT THE FENCES WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS?

>> CORRECT. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> MY QUESTION IS, THE REQUEST , I KNOW IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WE HAVE CALLED SHOPPING CENTERS AND THEY ARE BASED ON 100,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. BUT IN THIS WE HAVE A GAS STATION, A CONVENIENCE STORE, PACKAGE STORE, RESTAURANT, A BANK. A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT PARKING -- SHOPPING CENTER. YOU GET AROUND THE 100,000 SQUARE FEET MARK AND WE ARE NOT TIP -- TECHNICALLY CALLING IT A SHOPPING CENTER.

>> DO YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE? >> I DON'T.

>> SO, WE ARE BASING THAT LIKE, THAT IS WHAT THEY PUT FORTH.

THAT IS THE PROPOSAL. SO 100,000 IS THE MAGIC NUMBER.

THAT IS THE THRESHOLD BUT STANDARDS AND BUFFERS CHANGE.

INTENSITY AND DUALITY FROM RESIDENTIAL UNITS BUT ALSO THE SCALE AND THE USE ITSELF. SO, 100,000 SQUARE FOOT IS ONE NUMBER AND 150,000 IS THE OTHER NUMBER. DIFFERENT BUFFERS AND DIFFERENT STANDARDS. THIS IS UNDER THAT .

>> KIND OF. I GUESS. >> IN THE LDD ZONING INAUDIBLE ] REMEMBER YOU ARE VERY LIMITED IN USES ON LDD UNLESS YOU HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER DESIGNATION. IN THE CDD ZONING WE DON'T NEED THAT THOUGH. IF YOU COMPARE THE LDD AND THE CDD, MOST OF THE USES ARE CONDITIONAL IF THEY ARE PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER SO IT IS KIND OF LIKE OUT AT MOORE'S MILL. THE ONLY COMMERCIAL USES IS WHERE WE

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THE LDD ZONING . >> IT HAS TAKEN ME 20 YEARS TO

FIGURE THIS OUT. >> THE QUESTION IS, LET'S GO BACK TO MOORESVILLE. THE ONLY OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET TENANT IS A GROCERY STORE. I AM STRUGGLING WITH IF THIS PARTICULAR 13 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN PROXIMITY TO OTHERS WOULD NEED 60,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT IS ME PERSONALLY. WITHIN 2 1/2 MILES OF ANOTHER. THAT IS WHEN I AM STRUGGLING WITH AS A USE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. IF YOU HAVE 25,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS, CAN THAT BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK?

>> I GUESS IT COULD. >> I WOULD HATE FOR THIS BUILDING TO BE BUILT AND THEN

>> THAT IS KIND OF THE RISK OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO, I KNOW WE DO SET THRESHOLDS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE BUT I WOULD LIKE MORE ON THE SPECIFIC USE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN?

>> JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT I CAN DO.

>> I THINK THE APPLICANT IS RIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

LIMITING THINGS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE IS DIFFICULT TO DO UNLESS IT IS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALREADY BECAUSE THE PURVIEW OF THIS BODY IN INTERPRETING THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS TO APPLY THE OVERARCHING PRINCIPLES OF SAFETY, HEALTH, AND WELFARE. WHEN WE GET INTO CONDITIONING A USE APPROVAL BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.

>> BUT THIS IS NOT USE. THIS IS A SQUARE FOOTAGE APPROVAL.

>> CORRECT. IT IS A SQUARE FOOTAGE APPROVAL OF A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER. AND SO, UNLESS THERE IS A SAFETY, HEALTH, AND WELFARE REASON TO RESTRICT THAT ON THIS APPLICATION , I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.

>> OKAY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PDD OVERLAY. OF DONNA CROSSING, JUST SHY OF 14 ACRES FOR THE OVERLAY AS WELL AS USES. PLEASE SIGN IN. THANK YOU.

>> MAY NAME IS KEN ARTHUR AND I LIVE AT 1783 KEYSTONE DRIVE.

YOU WILL BE HAPPY TO KNOW I REDUCED MY 57 PAGE MANIFESTO TO JUST THREE PAGES. AND I WILL FIT IT ALL WITHIN FIVE MINUTES.

A LOT OF MY COMMENTS, I HAVE FOUR POINTS AND SEVERAL CONCERNS OR OBJECT IS TO PRESENT. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO. I KNOW THIS IS NOT EASY . I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS, THE HANDCUFFS THAT THIS JOB GIVES YOU. I MOVED HERE A FEW YEARS AGO FROM CALIFORNIA. I LIVED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA IN A FEW OF THE FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES IN THE COUNTRY. I HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENT AND I HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENT RUN AMOK. I HAVE SEEN WELL-DONE DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIOUS DEVELOPMENT IN ANOTHER COUNTY. THIS IS A WHOLE OTHER BALL OF WAX BUT I STILL SEE SIGNS SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAW IN WEST VIRGINIA . I AM WORKING

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AS IT IS THE MANDATE OF THE COMMISSION TO -- I BELIEVE THE ARGUMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE CHARACTER AND FABRIC OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. HOW DOES THIS INVOLVEMENT BENEFIT, AUGMENT , AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY? HOW WOULD THE DEVELOPMENT FIT WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY? THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL PROFILE DETAILS TO MAKE SURE THE PLAN FITS WITHIN THE CHARACTER, AND I EMPHASIZE CHARACTER , OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT IS NOT BUILT IN A QUICK GET RICH STYLE .

CONSIDERING THE FUTURE PLANS FOR WIDENING AND INCREASING CAPACITY OF DONAHUE AND AT THIS INTERSECTION, THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE KNOW THAT IS MANDATED. AND ACCESS TO SHOW THAT THIS WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF FUTURE PLANS AND NOT A DETRIMENT. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE PLANS. THAT SHOWS THE PLANNED INGRESS AND EGRESS AND THERE ARE CONFLICT POINTS INTERFERING WITH TRAFFIC PATTERNS AT WOODLAND PINES. THE APPROACH TO WOODLAND PINES HAVE ALREADY EXCEEDED CAPACITY AT THE INTERSECTION AND THE EXCESS POINTS TO TO CONTINUE DEVELOP MET -- DEVELOPMENT DOWN WEST FARMVILLE ROAD. DONATION OF RIGHT AWAY TO SUPPORT THOSE PROJECTS TO DONAHUE FARMS SHOULD BE --. .3, IF LEGALLY POSSIBLE, THE COMMISSION SHOULD REQUIRE A CONCESSION THAT ALL BILLBOARDS BE REMOVED ALONG DONAHUE DRIVE AND AGREED TO ANNEX ALL PROPERTIES CURRENTLY NOT WITHIN THE CITY TO THE CITY OF AUBURN AND THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE CONCERNS OF UNWARRANTED DEVELOPMENT ALONG DONAHUE THAT IS A DETRIMENT TO THE CHARACTER AND FABRIC OF THE SURROUNDING LOCAL COMMUNITY. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE COMMISSION HEAVILY CONSIDERED DENIAL OF THE REQUEST REGARDLESS AND MOVE REZONING TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO CHASE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS FROM THE AU CLUB . IN ADDITION I REMIND EVERYONE HERE THAT OLD SANFORD DEVELOPMENT IS COMING SOON AND IS UNDERWAY AND IT WILL INCLUDE A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OF ITS OWN AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE USE OF THE OLD SANFORD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AS THE PLACE TO PUT PROPERTIES SUCH AS THIS. SO, JUST A FEW THINGS AND OBSERVATIONS.

NOTWITHSTANDING THE INPUT FROM STAFF, IT IS OUR BELIEF THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENT REGARDING BUFFER STANDARDS. REDUCING IT FROM 5 FEET -- FROM 15 FEET DOWN TO 5 FEET NEXT TO THE SCHOOL IS

VASTLY DIFFERENT. >> I AM SORRY, SIR, YOU ARE OUT

OF TIME. >> CAN I HAVE ONE AND A HALF

MORE MINUTES? >> TRAFFIC AND THE WATERSHED NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS REMEDIATION. WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THAT . I WILL STAND DOWN

FROM THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ME I SPEAK AGAIN? >> YES.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO PICK UP WHERE HE LEFT OFF ON THE

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> JENNIFER JACKSON , 1736 POST OAK COURT.

>> THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT DID SORT OF A , AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY UNTIL THE DRAINAGE WOULD BE AFFECTED AND YOU TALKED ABOUT LEVELS AND RETAINING WALLS. WHO BUILDS THOSE? HOW DOES THAT AFFECT PROPERTIES? WHERE DOES THE WATER DRAIN? WE ALREADY HAVE FLOODING CLOSED TO THE BRIDGE AREA. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT? JUST THROWING THAT OUT TO THINK ABOUT. THE LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE POSSIBLE, THAT COULD BE IN THIS AREA, THINGS THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE AND I DON'T WANT TO IN MY AREA, I HAVE NO NEED FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS NEAR MY HOME. I DON'T SHOP AT THAT GAS STATION. I DON'T NEED ANYTHING AROUND MY HOUSE. I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS RURAL AND I WANTED TO STAY HOUSES. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER GROCERY STORE. I DON'T WANT A BANK OR ATM OR DRIVE-THRU. I DON'T WANT ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE. THERE IS ALREADY A DOLLAR GENERAL BEHIND MY HOUSE. FAST FOOD RESTAURANT? NO THINK YOU. WE HAVE THOSE. BANKS. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE. WE ALL DO ONLINE BANKING. DRYCLEANERS. NO THINK YOU. ELECTRONICS REPAIR? NO . GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE? HARDWARE STORES? WE HAVE PLENTY. HEALTH AND PERSONAL CARE STORES, NO THINK YOU. PRECIOUS METALS SALES. DO YOU MEAN PAWN SHOP? SPECIALTY FOOD STORES? SERIOUSLY. NO ON ALL OF THESE, PLEASE. AND, AS YOU THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN, WHAT IS SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER? WHAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER TO MY BACKYARD? MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON CU-2024-040 TO -- NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE ARE MORE IMPACTED THAN I AM. IRONY HAVE BEAUTIFUL WELL LIT BILLBOARD IN

MY BACKYARD. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> I AM JIM GREEN . CAMDEN COURT. I AM IN THE CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT WHERE THIS IS ALL HAPPENING. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE , CAN WE ASK EVERYONE TO STAND UP FOR 15

SECONDS OR SO? >> IS THIS OUR RECESS? I'M SORRY, MY LEGS WERE GOING TO SLEEP.

>> THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK. >> WE ARE HERE DISCUSSING SOMETHING THAT EIGHT YEARS AGO WAS DISCUSSED AND VOTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE INAPPROPRIATE EIGHT YEARS AGO.

NOW WE ARE BACK TO THE DISCUSSION AGAIN. I CAN FEEL

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WILL BECOME MULTIPLE LANES. >> SO, WE HAVE A POLICY ABOUT VISUALS. IF YOU WANT TO SHOW VISUALS YOU HAVE TO SEND THEM IN BEFORE NOON THE DAY OF THE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLLOW THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO VET WHAT IS BEING SHOWN. I'M SORRY.

>> I'M JUST NOT SURE IF PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE DRIVEN DOWN THAT ROAD. I GUESS I CAN'T DO THAT THOUGH.

>> NO. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THAT TO COUNSEL, PLEASE SEND THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT WAY THEY CAN ADD THAT. I AM SORRY.

>> I DID NOT KNOW THAT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL. BUT ,

OKAY. >> THE HOMES IN THAT AREA SURROUNDING THAT AREA RUN AROUND $350,000. THE 12 DOORS FOR ME JUST SOLD FOR $365,000. I WAS GOING TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF MY BEAUTIFUL HOME THAT WOULD LOOK OUT OVER 711 AND WHATEVER ELSE MIGHT BE THERE. MY WIFE HAD TO HAVE AN AMPUTATION A WHILE BACK SO SHE WAS RESTRICTED TO A WALKER AND HAS A PROSTHETIC BUT OUR LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC IS HER WORLD TO GET OUT . IT IS JUST WONDERFUL. I KNOW THAT IF WE HAVE A BUSINESS DOWN THERE WITH DELIVERY TRUCKS EVERYTHING ELSE WILL COME IN AND THEY WILL BE MAKING A MISTAKE. MY LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC FOR MY DEAR WIFE WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE. SO THIS IS PERSONAL.

WE HAVE A SAFE HOME AND A SAFE SITUATION. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE BILLBOARD AND THE COUNTY PROPERTY IN AUBURN, YOU CAN BUILD ANYTHING YOU WANT AS LONG AS YOU OWN IT. THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES. ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THOSE BUILDINGS THERE . I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE CONSTRUCTION PICTURE THAT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS OF DIGGING THIS AND MOVING THAT. TWO YEARS, EASILY, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT. WHY DID I MENTION $350,000? AS A

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>> YOU HAVE RUN OUT OF TIME. YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES IN THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I PRAY YOU VOTE NO.

>> MY NAME IS SETH HUMPHREY AND I LIVE ON CU-2024-040 FOR .

THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT CHANGING ELEVATIONS AND BUFFERS. THOSE HOMES AT DONAHUE RIDGE, 30 FOOT ELEVATION CHANGE ? YOU HAVE A BUILDING ON TOP OF THAT ELEVATION, ANOTHER 20 FEET, THAT IS ALL THESE PEOPLE WILL SEE. THAT IS HORRIBLE FOR THEM. I AM SORRY FOR THEM. AND I AM SORRY FOR ME. WHAT BUFFER AM I GOING TO GET? WHAT WILL BE BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND THAT MONSTROSITY . I DON'T WANT THE LIGHT POLLUTION THAT WILL BRING. I DON'T WANT THE SOUND POLLUTION THAT WILL BRING. I DON'T WANT THE CRIME IT WILL BRING.

>> WITH ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING?

GOOD EVENING. >> MY NAME IS JEAN HOGANS AND I LIVE ON FELICITY LANE. I WAS NOT PLANNING ON COMING UP HERE TONIGHT YOU MENTIONED THE 30 FOOT BUFFER AND EVERYBODY IS SAYING THAT LIKE THAT IS A REALLY BIG BUFFER. THERE ARE 12 TILES FROM ME TO YOU AND THAT IS 36 FEET. IF WE PARKED AN 18 WHEELER IN THAT CHAIR, HOW WOULD HE FEEL RIGHT NOW. THAT IS NOT A BUFFER. THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS IN THESE HOUSES IS MORE BUFFER. WE ARE BUILDING THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. IT IS LIKE 110 FEET AND THAT SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE. 30 FEET IS NOT ENOUGH. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DRIVE-THRU. IMAGINE THE DRIVE-THRU RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WINDOW. DOES THAT SEEM LIKE A LOT OF BUFFER TO YOU? WE LOOK AT THIS PLAT OVERHEAD BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF SCALE AND I THINK YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF SCALE. 30 FEET IS NOT A LOT.

>> PLEASE SIGN IN. THANK YOU.

>> I AM ANGELA HILL AND I LIVE ON FELICITY LANE. MY HOUSE WILL BE IN THE BACKYARD OF THOSE DRIVE-THRU IS AND THE BANK DRIVE-THRU. MY ISSUE IS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUFFERS, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL HAPPEN. DONAHUE IS A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN MY HOUSE. SO TO BUILD THOSE BUILDINGS IT WILL BE GRADED DOWN AND SO , WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR MY BACKYARD ALL YOU WILL SEE IS BUILDINGS. ALL OF THE TREES WILL COME DOWN FOR GRADING . THERE WILL BE NO NATURAL BUFFER LEFT. ANYTHING

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>> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PDD. YOU CAN COME BACK. THIS IS A NEW PUBLIC

HEARING. >> I AM KATIE AT 1703 CRESCENT.

YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M GOING TO POSE THIS BACK . YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY IS CONSIDERING GREEN SPACE IN THIS AREA. IF WE CAN LOOK BACK AT THE PICTURE THAT YOU SHOWED INITIALLY THAT SHOWS THE PART THAT IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY THAN THE PART THAT WAS OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT. WOULD YOU MIND SCROLLING BACK TO THAT? YOU PROBABLY ARE NOT CONTROLLING THIS. AT THE BEGINNING. SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU WERE MENTIONING AND IT YOU SAID THAT THE CITY IS CONSIDERING GREEN SPACE IN THIS AREA? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP THINKING, I WONDER WHERE THAT IS PLANNED? THE GREEN SPACE IN THIS AREA. THE OTHER SAYING, THAT SCARES ME FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT WITH THE SCHOOLS AND SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT HOW THE DEVELOPER WILL JUST BE HUNTING FOR TENANTS AND THAT IS REALLY ALARMING AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER . ONE OF THE PDD USES IS ALL OTHER USES. IT IS REALLY HARD TO RESTRICT ANYTHING THAT ANYONE COULD EVER THINK OF. THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL AND UNSAFE. IT WOULD BE SCARY FOR CHILDREN. ONE OTHER THING THAT YOU MENTIONED, ONE PERSON FOUGHT THE CONNECTION AND NOW WANTS TO WORK WALK THERE. I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE THERE? PROBABLY NOT SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE MENTIONED. WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY IS CONSIDERING GREEN SPACE FOR THIS AREA, I JUST CANNOT VISUALIZE WHERE THIS WAS PLANNED. BUT THE SPACE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR A GREEN SPACE AND ALLOW CHILDREN TO MOVE SAFELY. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS,

COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? >> YES, OF COURSE. YOU SAID ON THIS ONE THAT ANY CONDITIONAL USES ALSO HAVE TO BE PULLED OUT

OF THE PDD. >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. WHICH IS , LET ME ASK YOU THIS TO CLARIFY. THE CONDITIONAL USES THAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR ARE THOSE LOCATED. ARE THOSE LOCATED IN THE NEXT ONE, WHICH

ARE THE CONDITIONAL USES. >> CORRECT .

>> ANY OTHER -- BECAUSE SHE IS RIGHT IT DOES SAY ANY OTHER USES. ANY OTHER USES HE WISHES TO HAVE OTHER THAN THESE LISTED SPECIFICALLY, HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO REAPPLY?

>> YES. HE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION. AND COME THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.

>> WITH THAT IN MIND, BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED THIS, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRIVE-THRU RESTAURANTS. AND I WOULD LIKE

THAT PULLED OUT. >> ] THAT PULLED OUT.

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>> I APOLOGIZE. WHAT I SEE IN TRADITIONAL -- CONDITIONAL USE IS SPELLED OUT VERSUS WHAT I'M SEEING IN PDD. NOT SPELLED OUT.

THESE ARE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION UNDER THE PDD.

THEY ARE ALL SPELLED OUT. >> I GUESS I WOULD SAY -- EXPLICITLY RESTRICT THOSE. INCORPORATE THOSE.

>> IF NOT, I WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TABLE AND RESTRICT

-- >> I THINK , THE ONES YOU DO NOT WANT TO EXPLICITLY ALLOW, EXPLICITLY INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION OF THE PDD. DANA HAS STATED, YOU CAN DELIBERATE

THOSE. >> IN THE CONDITIONAL USE NEXT ONE . THE ONE WE ARE GOING TO, IT SAYS VETERINARY OFFICE KENNEL WITH OUTDOOR PENS . NO OUTDOOR PENS. IT SAYS OUTDOOR PENS . AND THEN DOWN BELOW, LATER, IT SAYS, VETERINARY OFFICE KENNEL. OKAY? WHICH TO ME IS AN OUTDOOR PEN. SO, NO KENNEL, OUTDOOR KENNEL OR OUTDOOR PEN. I WOULD LIKE THAT TO MOVE. I SAID MOTOR FOOD COURT .

>> FAST FOOD DRIVE-THROUGH AND NO VETERINARY WITH OUTDOOR

KENNEL. >> YES.

>>

>> WE CAN ALL BREATHE THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK AT ANOTHER

TIME. >> CORRECT. BE THAT WHILE WE ARE ON PDD, YOU CAN APPROVE THE PDD WITH NO USES. THAT IS YOUR OPTION. EVERY SINGLE ONE WILL THEN COME BEFORE US.

>>

THIS. >> DOES THAT DEFEAT THE PURPOSE

OF THE PDD ? >> THAT IS WHAT THE REQUEST IS

FOR. >> PDD HAS AN OVERLAY THAT SO WHAT WE HAVE WHAT THE CONDITIONAL USES ARE --

INAUDIBLE ] >> IF WE SUBMIT OR WE APPROVE

PDD WITH NO CONDITIONS . >> THE NEXT ITEMS ARE THE CONDITIONAL USES. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING. CONDITIONAL USES

ARE APPROVED. >> IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT -- THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS, WE GET INTO, YOU WANT THESE FIVE, HE WANTS THESE THREE. I DISAGREE COMPLETELY. I TRIED TO

INCLUDE THAT. >> GOT YOU.

>> WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT IN THIS ONE TOO.

>> RIGHT. HAVE TO ADDRESS IT. THE PDD HAS REQUEST WITH BENNETT FOR APPROVAL. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE APPROVED. BUT IT

CAN BE APPROVED AS A PDD. >> IS THAT CORRECT?

>> ALL RIGHT. I WOULD FEEL A LOT BETTER IF THE MOTION WASN'T JUST FOR RESTRICTING THE ONES THAT YOU WANTED. I THINK WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THAT. NOT EXPLICITLY LISTING THE ONES YOU ARE FOR, BUT THE ONES YOU ARE EXQUISITELY OPPOSED TO. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HOWEVER MANY USES. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, ALL MENTIONED A PDD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE BLANKET APPROVAL OF SEVERAL USES REALLY DOES DEFEAT THE PURPOSE. IS GOT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

>> BUT NO USES TO PUT IN -- >> WE ARE ABOUT TO USES

EXCLUDING USES. >> I WOULD SAY NAMED THE USAGES

YOU DON'T WANT IN THIS MOTION. >> THE CHALLENGE I HAVE, OR SO

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MANY BROAD USES . >> OUT OF THE ONES HE HAS STATED. DRIVE-THROUGH'S. MOTOR FOOD COURTS. AND VETERINARY OFFICES WITH OUTSIDE KENNELS. THOSE ARE MY THREE.

>> WHAT IF WE NAMED ALL OF THEM?

>> WHEN YOU DON'T WANT ANY OF THEM?

>> SHE NAMED THREE, SHE NAMED FOUR. THEN, WHERE WOULD BE BE

THAT SO WE BE? >> I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DON'T

DO THAT. >> I AM JUST ASKING.

>> I'M TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE HYPOTHETICAL OF THE WHAT IF. I AM ASKING, WHAT ONE DO YOU WANT RESTRICTED. SO FAR I HAVE HEARD THREE. OR FOUR. IT'S CONTINUATION OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH EXCLUSION. IF YOU WILL END UP AT A POINT WHERE ALL OF YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT CERTAIN ONES, I WOULD SAY DISCLOSED THAT YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION.

>> I SAID THAT BEFORE. >> WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. YOU WILL KEEP UP WITH THIS LIST FOR US? OR SOMEONE WILL KEEP UP?

>> I WILL KEEP UP WITH THE LIST.

>> AND I ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE? THE CONVENIENCE STORE, SMALL GROCERY LIST, THE BACK COVER

THE EXISTING BUILDINGS? >> I GUESS THAT WOULD. I'M PRETTY SURE . THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY THAT.

>> I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO ANY ADDITIONAL OF THOSE. GAS

SERVICE STATIONS. >> BUT WILL CARRY FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY EXISTING. GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORES

DECIBELS >> PDD ALREADY HAS SOME

APPROVED USES. >> I SAID EARLIER, THERE ARE SO MANY THAT SO GENERAL. -- WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET? ARE WE GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH IT? ARE THE RESIDENTS GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH IT? IS THE CITY GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH IT. I STRUGGLE WITH THAT.

>> HOW DO YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL -- WITH NO DRIVE-THROUGHS

>> I AM NOT SAYING NO DRIVE-THROUGHS . I AM SAYING, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT NOW UNTIL WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING IN.

>> EXACTLY. I AM BACK TO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE

CONDITIONAL AND, BEFORE US. >> I NAMED MY THREE.

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE , IS THE OBJECTION TO DRIVE-THROUGHS THAT IT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC? TOO MUCH NOISE?

>> TO ME, IT'S ABOUT CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC.

>> ONE OF THE -- DON'T EVEN HAVE VOICE BOXES ANYMORE.

>> WE DON'T KNOW. >> IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU HAVE.

>> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT MY OBJECTION IS. THE TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE BACKED UP BY RESIDENTIAL. DRIVE-THROUGHS TEND TO STAY OPEN EXTREMELY LATE AT NIGHT. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO SLEEP, YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIVE THE ROAD WITH EVERYBODY. YOU HEAR IT. THAT IS MY OBJECTION RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, I AM NOT A FIRM, NO, UNTIL WE SEE WHAT IS GOING THERE AND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO STACK THE TRAFFIC. HOW LATE THEY ARE GOING TO BE OPEN, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE USUALLY GET WHEN THEY HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE AND THEY COME TO US. I REALIZE THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE A CLIENT TO FILL THOSE BASES RIGHT NOW. THEY MAY HAVE SOME IDEA. THEY DON'T HAVE A CLIENT RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS NOW. BUT I

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AND SAY, YAY OR NAY. >> I NEED TO KNOW IF WE ARE DELETING USES, OR IF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME SORT OF PDD WITH NO APPROVED USES, EXCEPT FOR THE ONES EXISTING.

>> DELETING THE USES. EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING.

>> OTHER THAN THE THREE THAT HAVE BEEN VOICED , WHAT OTHER USES WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION REQUEST TO BE

REMOVED? >> I STATED ONE. GENERAL MERCHANDISE IS TOO BROAD IN MY OPINION. THESE ARE THINGS I DON'T SEE BEING A BENEFIT TO THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY. IS JUST A LAUNDRY LIST OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT I AM NOT SURE . I CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE. I THINK WE CAN ALL LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE. FOR EXAMPLE, A COFFEE SHOP. WHAT IS THE BENEFIT , ARE WE TRYING TO BENEFIT THE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE? THESE ARE TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT THERE?

>> YOU DON'T NEED A U.P.S. STORE?

>> THE IDEA OF HAVING COMMERCIAL NODES AND PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE FOR THE AMENITIES TO BE IN PROXIMITY WITH PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU ALL THE DELIBERATION. I DID WANT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND ALSO, I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO DRAINAGE I THINK THE APPLICANT NEEDED TO ANSWER AS

WELL. >> APPLICANT, DO YOU MIND

COMING FORWARD, PLEASE? >> WHICH SPECIFIC ONE? DRAINAGE

IN GENERAL? >> THERE ARE SEVERAL CONCERNS AROUND DRAINAGE. AND THEN I THINK FROM A -- DISCUSS WHAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND SOME OF THE BUFFERS?

>> ME STORM DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY REQUIRES UP TO HAVE A DETENTION. THIS IS IN THE WATERSHED WHERE WALLER THAT THE WATER QUALITY WILL BE REQUIRED AS WELL. THEY WILL HAVE TO BE SOME FORM OF DETENTION PROVIDED, WHETHER IT'S ABOVEGROUND OR BELOWGROUND. THERE WILL HAVE TO BE DETENTION FROM A STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE. FROM THE BUFFERING AND SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FUTURE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE MADE -- MET EXTENSIVELY WITH THE CITY AND TRY TO GET PLAN FOR HOW MUCH ROOM THEY NEED FROM US. THE CITY IS STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE GUIDELINES ON WHAT EXACTLY THEY NEED. THE CURRENT PLAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW SHOWS 10 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY LOCATION ALONG FARMVILLE ROAD AND NORTH DONAHUE ROAD AS PART OF THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. OFF OF THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION IS WHERE OUR LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ARE BASED UPON. THEY ARE BASED UPON -- THEY WILL BE EVEN FURTHER INTO OUR PROPERTIES THAN THE CURRENT PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED UPON THE REQUIRED RIGHT AWAY -- RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION. THE CITY TRIED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE ALONG THE NORTH DONAHUE OR NOT. THEY FILLET THE 10 FEET WE HAVE ALONG FARMVILLE ROAD IS EFFICIENT -- SUFFICIENT. IN REGARDS TO BUFFERING, WE DO HAVE ALL OF THE MAJOR CORRIDORS IN THE CITY -- REQUIRING THE 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE STRIP ALONG THOSE FRONTAGES. ALONG FARMVILLE ROAD AND NORTH DONAHUE. IN REGARDS TO THE BACK, WE ARE PROVIDING PRICES MUST -- BUFFERING REQUIRED. WE ARE SHOWING 30. OUR GOAL IS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS THE -- OF THE VEGETATION AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE BUFFER. WE WILL TRY TO PUT THAT IN THE MOST OPTIMAL PLACE TO TRY TO HELP SCREEN AS WELL. IN REGARDS TO -- WITH THE

OTHER QUESTION? >> I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN

ONES. AROUND THE DRAINAGE. >> OKAY. THERE IS DRAINAGE

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IN REGARDS TO THE USES, TO YOUR POINT, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ARE IN REGARDS TO THE AMOUNT OF STACKING REQUIRED. AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. ALL OF THAT STACKING AND STUFF IS ADEQUATE SPACING WITHIN A CURRENT FILE UNIT.

WITHIN WE ARE SHOWING DRIVE-THROUGHS. THOSE SITES ARE LAID OUT TO MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT ON STACKING. IN REGARDS TO USES. I KNOW YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE 60,000 SQUARE FEET. THE GROCERY BUILDING WE HAVE IN THE ATTACHED RETAIL, THAT 60,000 SQUARE FEET COMBINED. THE SMALL SHOPS ON THE SIDE ARE A PART OF THAT. AS WE MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A GROCERY USER THAT IS PROPOSING TO GO IN HERE. NOT GOING TO BE A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT GROCER. IT WILL BE A

SMALLER USER >>. FROM SI.

>> THAT MULTIPLE BUSINESSES. >> ATTACHED ON THE SIDES. THAT 60,000 INCLUDES ALL OF THAT. THAT'S ONE 60,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. SHOPS, GROCERIES, COMBINED. ALL OF THE OTHER USES ARE SPECIFIC THERE. LIKE I SAID, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN USES THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH, LET'S GET THOSE. IF THERE ARE SOME YOU HAVE CONCERNS ON, OR SPECIFIC USE, I WOULD SAY, EXCLUDED THOSE. IF YOU ARE SO INTENT FOR THIS THING TO MOVE FORWARD. I WOULD RATHER GET THROUGH THIS WITH A COUPLE OF USES THEN YOU KNOW USES AND BE BACK ARGUING EACH INDIVIDUAL USE . I DO NOT THINK SOME OF THE USES ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN REGARDS TO GO IN THERE. IN REGARDS TO GENERATING TRAFFIC, MOST OF THE USES ARE SERVING THE NODE THAT IS THERE. WITH HAVING COMMERCIAL USES HERE IT WILL PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING DOWN DONAHUE AND GOING THROUGH SHOW -- TO GO TO OTHER PLACES. YOU ARE PROVIDING A CONVENIENT IN REGARDS TO IN THREE MILE RADIUS AROUND. IT WILL TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF ADJACENT COMMUTING TRAFFIC WITH THOSE GOODS AND SERVICES BEING AVAILABLE. BEING ADJACENT TO

THE NEIGHBORHOODS. >> I KNOW IT IS WHAT HAPPENS.

>> HOW ABOUT I PROPOSE THAT SO WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS .

IF WE PULL SOMETHING AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT, IF THEY WILL COME BACK. MAYBE INSTEAD OF SAYING, YES, I WANTED, I DON'T. MEAN WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IF YOU DON'T WANT

IT, LET'S PUT IT ON THE TABLE. >> I HAVE ASKED FOR THAT.

>> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I HAVE THREE.

>> THERE WERE THREE THAT COMMISSIONER KAMP WANTED. FILL ONE OF THE EXTENSION OF ALL DRIVE-THROUGHS. --

>> I WANT THE EXCLUSION OF THE DOG KENNEL S .

>> THAT WAS ONE OF MINE. >> AND YOU LIST THEM AGAIN?

>> THANK YOU. THE THREE DRIVE-THROUGHS. THERE WAS THE FAST FOOD DRIVE-THROUGH WITHIN THE CONTINUATION OF ALL DRIVE-THROUGHS. ARE WAS THE MOTOR FOOD COURT, THERE WAS THE VETERINARY WITH OUTDOOR KENNEL. GENERAL MERCHANDISE.

>> I WILL ADD PRECIOUS METAL SALES.

>> PRECIOUS METAL SALES . >> JEWELRY STORE?

>> IF YOU JUST WANT RAW TUNGSTEN -- BUT IT'S A JEWELRY

STORE. >> WHY ISMAY CALLED A JEWELRY STORE, THE THE THING CALLED NEXT CODE. VERY GRANULAR. IS REALLY NAMED -- THESE ARE VERY TECHNICAL THING. IF YOU REALLY

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SMOKING DOWN IRON AND STUFF. >> I CAN'T GET A GOLD BRICK?

>> NO. MAYBE YOU CAN. >> IT IS NOT A PAWNSHOP.

>> SO WE HAVE FOUR. THAT IS WHAT I'M CURRENTLY HEARING. IS THAT CORRECT? VETERINARY WITH OUTDOOR KENNEL. DRIVE-THROUGHS AND GENERAL MERCHANDISE. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS. WITH THIS EDD -- PDD OVERLAY, WOULD YOU CARE TO MAKE A MOTION ? AND BE

SPECIFIC, PLEASE. >> I WILL TRY. BUT YOU ALL WILL CORRECT ME, I AM SURE. I MAKE A MOTION TO FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL THE PDD EXEMPTING THE FOLLOWING USES . THE FOLLOWING USES ARE , GENERAL MERCHANDISE, ANY DRIVE-THROUGH , A VETERINARY WITH AN OUTDOOR KENNEL , AND A MOBILE FOOD COURT .

>> DO WE NEED TO ALSO ADDRESS THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS

SERVICE STATION ? >> THEY ARE ALREADY THERE.

>> AGAIN, THAT OPENS IT TO OTHERS, RIGHT? THAT IS MY

CONCERN. >> I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN -- I KNOW CONDITIONAL USES, YOU CAN PUT CONDITIONAL THINGS.

>> THEY WILL COME BACK. >> I WOULD SAY, MY UNDERSTANDING AND INTERPRETATION OF HOW CONDITIONAL USES WORK, IF YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE, IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. I GET WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT COULD BE REPLICATED. THE USE IS THERE.

IT'S AN IT. I GUESS CAN BE REPLICATED.

>> BUT IT'S STILL A CONDITIONAL USE FOR PDD.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION -- I DON'T THINK THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE OF THESE. THAT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING OF

HOW CONDITIONAL USES WORK. >> I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR

WITHOUT A SECOND CURRENTLY. >> SECOND .

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALTHOUGH THE FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. NOW, CONDITIONAL USES.

>> WAIVER. SO SORRY. MY APOLOGIES. I GOT REALLY EXCITED. THE WAIVER IS FOR THE BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE FROM 15 TO FIVE FEET , AND THAT NO FENCE.

>> YES, NO FENCE. I GUESS WE DO NOT HAVE THE AERIAL . I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ON COMPUTER OR INTERNET, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. FROM THE AERIAL WE HAVE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, I COULD MEASURE IT ON MY COMPUTER. IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A SECOND .

>> WHAT DATE IS CITY COUNCIL? BEFORE THEY LEAVE?

>> FEBRUARY 18TH . >> FEBRUARY 18TH IS CITY

COUNCIL FOR ALL OF THESE ITEMS. >> WHEN I SAY THAT --, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW , FROM OUR AERIAL , THE SHORTEST EDGE FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THE PICKUP LANE FROM WOODLAND -- IS 413 FEET. THAT IS THE SLIMMEST PORTION, LIKE I SAID. IT WHINES OUT AS A GOAL FOR THE SOUTH. IT DOES GET MORE THAN THAT AS A GIFT MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. ALL WOODED. THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE WAIVER DECISION, BUT THERE WAS MENTION IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION ABOUT GREEN SPACE. THERE IS A GREEN SPACE IN THIS LARGER, GENERAL NORTHWEST AUBURN AMORPHOUS AREA. I WOULD SAY EVERYTHING NORTH OF 14, WEST OF COLLEGE. EXTENDING INFINITELY OUT, NOT

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KIND OF LOOKING AT PARKS IN THIS AREA . THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GENERALLY ON THE CITY'S RADAR. IS NOT A SPECIFIC PLAN TIED TO ANYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT. IS A FOCUS THAT WE RECOGNIZE IT SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

>> I AM GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE WAIVER FOR THE BUFFER YARD ON CASE RZ-2024-016.

>> SECOND . >> I HAVE A MOTION WAIVER. ALL

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THE FAVOR? >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. NEXT, TWO CONDITIONAL USES FOR

DONNA CROSSING. >> ALL RIGHT. I REQUESTED A RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE APPROVAL. IT READS OUT WHAT THE USES ARE. THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH DONNIE WHO DRIVE , AND WEST FARMVILLE ROAD. I WANT TO GO TO THE MAP. I GUESS IT'S THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL. THERE WE GO.

KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE MENTIONED. FROM A USER STANDPOINT AND CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THE PDD OUTLINES A LOT OF THOSE USES AND HAMMERED OUT THAT DISCUSSION. KIND OF LIKE I MENTIONED WITH THE PDD. THE ROAD NETWORK AND ALL OF THAT, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES WERE INCLUDED AS A PART OF THE PROCESS. THEY WILL NEED TO EVENTUALLY GET THAT DONE. THAT WILL SPEAK TO A LOT OF THE SITE LAYOUT AND KIND OF WHAT WE KNOW A LOT OF THESE USES, WILL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE TRAFFIC DEMAND IS GOING TO BE AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.

SO SOMEONE OUT THE AUDIENCE CAN UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. THIS IS THE PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A PUBLIC REVIEW. THAT IS WHERE THINGS HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC GET TO SPEAK. ON TOP OF THIS, THERE IS AN INTERNAL REVIEW PROCESS -- EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH THE CITY THEY GET APPROVED, BUILT, ET CETERA, GET INTENTLY ROMANIZED INTERNALLY. WHETHER YOU SEE IT OR NOT. THESE THINGS GO THROUGH INSPECTION, ENGINEERING, ET CETERA. DOWN TO THE GRANULAR DETAIL. I HEARD TODAY WHAT REQUIRES CARDWELL, IF THE STEEP OF THE SLOW. THOSE ARE GRANULAR DETAIL I LOOKED AT. EVEN FROM THE CONNECTION OF DRIVE-THROUGHS. I GUESS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR EACH OF THESE CONDITIONAL USES WILL HAVE TO BE A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN. SO EVERYONE CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION. YOU CANNOT HAVE LIGHT POLLUTION THAT GOES ACROSS PROPERTY LINE. THAT IS A CONDITION THAT CAN BE STIPULATED. IT HAD TO BE SUBMITTED. WHEN THEY ARE SAYING THEY WANT THESE THINGS TO COME BACK -- THAT WILL HAPPEN . IF THESE THINGS ARE RIGOROUSLY LOOKED AT INTERNALLY AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THERE'S A LOT OF GRANULAR DETAILS THAT ARE REVIEWED IN THE DEVELOPMENT ROUTINE PROCESS. IN THAT PROCESS SOMETIMES, A LOT OF THE PROJECT TO COME FORWARD GET HEAVILY ALTERED. BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE STANDARDS WE HAVE FOR THE CITY. WHETHER IT BE BUFFERS, TURN LANE REQUIREMENTS, OR THE ACREAGE OF THE SITE HAS, IT CANNOT MEET SOME OF THE THINGS -- THESE ARE THINGS WE LOOK AT AND SCRUTINIZE. WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO SAY, ONCE AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMES IN AND WE KNOW THE EXPLICIT USES , THIS SITE WILL PROBABLY BE ALTERED.

NOT GREATLY, BUT JUST INCLUDING THOSE EXPANDED LANES, THE TURN LANES. WHAT THOSE OFFERS ARE GOING TO BE. THE DIRECTION OF SOME OF THOSE OF DRIVE-THROUGHS. ALSO, THE SIDING OF THEM AS WELL. THAT IS SOMETHING THEY SAID THEY WERE OPEN TO. SOME OF THOSE DRIVE-THROUGHS NEED TO MOVE FURTHER NORTH FROM THE RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS SOMETHING THE APPLICANT SAID THEY WERE HOPING TO DO. THAT IS SOMETHING THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED ONCE IT COMES BACK SINCE IT WAS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE BLANKET OF CONDITIONAL USE. I WANT TO ASSURE EVERYONE THOSE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED. THERE WAS COMMON IN THE PUBLIC SESSION ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GREATLY LOOKED AT AND SCRUTINIZE IN THE INTERNAL REVIEW PROCESS. WITH THOSE CONDITIONAL USES, I WANT TO SAY, THE ONLY THING THAT COULD NOT THE ONLY THING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT WOULD BE DISCOVERING

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SCRUTINIZED . >> THIS IS STOPPED ONE. ON A LONG JOURNEY. DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE A COPY OF WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS THE CITY OCAMPO -- CITY COUNCIL HAS PLEXI

>> ALL OF THIS STUFF IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. IF YOU GUYS DID NOT WANT THE HUNDRED LONG PAGES, YOU COULD CALL US AND REQUEST TO GET THIS PACKET. SO YOU CAN GET THE VISUAL. THEY ARE IN THERE. YOU COULD JUST EXTRACT IT OUT OF THE PACKET AS

WELL. >> I ASKED THAT BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS LIST, TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH YOU, WHAT IS ON THIS LIST THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TAKING OFF THE LIST . I WAS GOING TO READ THIS LIST AND THEN WHEN VOTING ON WHAT POTENTIALLY MAY OR MAY NOT STILL BE REMOVED, THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SHARE PRIOR TO DISCUSSION AND OR PUBLIC

HEARING. IS THAT OKAY? >> IF YOU GUYS WANT TO READ IT.

>> CURRENTLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL INITIAL USE THAT APPROVAL FOR A CHURCH, DAY CARE CENTER, INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY, NURSING HOME, GYMNASIUM, OFFICE, ATMS, BANK WITH DRIVE-THROUGH, CONVENIENCE STORES, SMALL GROCERY, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, MOBILE VENDOR FOOD COURT, GAS STATIONS, SERVICE STATIONS, RETAIL, VETERINARY OFFICES WITHOUT OUTDOOR PEN. NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTERS, BANKS, BARBER SHOPS, BEAUTY SHOPS, BOOKS, HOBBY, MUSIC, SPORTING GOODS STORES, BREWPUB, CLOTHING STORES, COFFEE SHOP, DRY CLEANERS, ELECTRONICS REPAIR , FLORISTS, GARDEN SUPPLY, GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORES, GROCERY STORES, HARDWARE STORES, HEALTH AND PERSONAL CARE STORES, OFFICE SUPPLIES, GIFT STORES, PRECIOUS METAL FELT, PERSONAL STUDIOS, RESTAURANTS, SPECIAL FOOD STORES, AND THE TRADE OFFICE WITH INSIDE KENNEL. DO YOU HAVE

ANY QUESTIONS? >>

>> THIS IS WHAT IS UP THERE. >> DOES ANYONE NEED A RECESS AT THIS MOMENT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT THROUGH THESE THREE. I FEEL YOU. WE ARE STILL ON NUMBER THREE. YOU ARE WELCOME TO GO IF YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME ON CONDITIONAL USES OF THE DONNA CROSSING.

>> I AM SHERRY SENIOR AND I LIVE AT 1873 OLMSTEAD LANE. I WOULD LIKE A CLARIFICATION ON SOMETHING. HEALTH AND PERSONAL CARE STORES AND PERSONAL STUDIOS. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST . I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ALL THAT ENTAILS, BUT IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CHILDREN AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS , CERTAINLY NAIL SALONS WOULD BE FINE, BUT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO BE A PLACE LIKE THE PERSON MENTIONED EARLIER, THE LOVE STUFF PLACE. OR POSSIBLY A MASSAGE PARLOR, MAYBE WOULD NOT BE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WILL THESE USES SPECIFIC COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE ON? OR TO THIS GROUP TO VOTE ON? OR JUST ANYTHING UNDER HEALTH AND PERSONAL CARE STUDIOS STORES CAN GO THROUGH WITHOUT ANYBODY

HAVING ANY OVERSIGHT? >> UNLESS THERE ARE CERTAIN USES THAT ARE RESTRICTED FROM THIS LIST TONIGHT. THE REST OF

THEM ARE -- >> YOU HAVE A NAIL SALON WOULD BE PERMITTED. UNDER THE PERSONAL CARE STORES. THERE COULD BE OTHER THING UNDER THAT BUT MAYBE NOT APPROPRIATE. JUST

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. >> ANYONE ELSE?

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>> MY NAME IS SETH HUMPHREY. I LIVE ON STONE POINT DRIVE. AT THIS LIST, THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE GENERAL -- YOU SAID I CANNOT ASK QUESTIONS. RETAIL IS VERY BROAD. IF WE ARE SCRATCHING OFF THE LIST GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORES SEEMS LIKE THE SAME THING AS RETAIL TO ME. I DO NOT WANT A VAPE SHOP , I DON'T WANT A BREWPUB, I DON'T WANT TO NAIL SALON, ACTUALLY.

ANY VICE , THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED LIKE A VICE, I DO NOT WANT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY KIDS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE THINGS FALL. I DO NOT WANT A MARIJUANA STORE.

THIS IS A GENERAL STATEMENT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE DEVELOPER. I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN LINE THIS MORNING FOR ALL -- ALL THESE OPENING -- WE SHOP WHERE WE WANT TO SHOP. AND WE DON'T WHERE WE DON'T. AND WE DON'T WANT TO SHOP ACROSS

THREE. THANK YOU. >>

>> 1679 POPLAR RIDGE DRIVE. I GUESS THIS IS MY FINAL REQUEST AS YOU GUYS ARE NARROWING DOWN THE LIST OF WHAT COMES IN AND WHAT YOU GUYS DECIDE WE DO NOT NEED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IF WE CAN HOPEFULLY JUST KEEP IN MIND THIS IS DIRECTLY -- ALL OF OUR KIDS, IF WE GET WORKABILITY TO SCHOOL. OR IF THEY GET OLD ENOUGH TO WALK OUT OF THEIR FRONT YARD TO GO SEE THEIR FRIEND ACROSS THE STREET, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD FIND A WAY TO REMOVE THE POSSIBILITY OF ALL OF OUR CHILDREN WALKING RIGHT BY THE VAPE SHOPS, RIGHT BY ALL OF THE THINGS THEY COULD BARELY -- VERY EASILY WALK BY WITHOUT THE PARENTS KNOWLEDGE. I GET BRINGING BUSINESSES TO NEIGHBORHOODS IS GREAT. BUT IF THE POINT OF THE COMMISSION IS TO THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S EXTREMELY HEAVY WITH LITTLE CHILDREN. I BELOVED TO FIND A WAY -- WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT DOGS OUTSIDE IN KENNEL. MAYBE WE COULD THINK ABOUT HOW TO FIND THE WORDING TO KEEP THE VAPE SHOPS AWAY FROM OUR KIDS. THE KIDS THAT WILL BE WALKING THROUGH THE WOODS FROM THEIR BACKYARDS TO THE SCHOOL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> IT IS ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DEVELOPED. WE CAME FROM AN AUDIENCE OF, WE DON'T WANT THE PLACE AT ALL, PERIOD.

WE DON'T WANT IT. NOW THE VOTE IS ALREADY GOING IN THAT WAY.

AND I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. PLEASE, TAKE IT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I DID NOT HEAR ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY OUR HOMES WILL BE DEPRECIATED BECAUSE OF THIS. I DID NOT H■EAR NY DISCUSSION N THE AMOUNT OF YEARS THAT BUILDING AND FIELD WILL BE TORN OVER AND EVERYTHING DUG ON, ENTRIES COMING DOWN. AND ALL THESE HOMES -- FILLED WITH DIRT FOR OVER TWO YEARS TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING. I DO NOT HEAR HOW MANY WE WANTED, IF IT SOMEHOW WAS VOTED. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IT'S IN FRONT OF OUR STORE. IF WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE DEVELOPER, WE ALMOST FEEL THE SAME WAY NOW.

WE DON'T FEEL ANYTHING AS WELL. WE COULD SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT. MAYBE THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DO TO GET A COUPLE OF THOUSAND PEOPLE TO SIGN A PETITION SAYING, WE DON'T WANT THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FINALLY GOES INTO IT, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT. OF THE GREEN SPACE WAS WONDERFUL. CAN YOU IMAGINE LIVING ANYWHERE WITHIN A MILE OF THAT? I HAVE A PICTURE SHOWING YOU CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT IT TAKES FOR A STRIPMALL. IT'S HORRIBLE. THESE HOMES RIGHT ACROSS THE

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>>

AFTERWARD IF YOU LIKE. >> I AM DR. AMANDA TAYLOR. I LOOK -- LIVE AT 2730 PARTRIDGE LANE. I WORK JUST OFF OF FARMVILLE ROAD AT THE TURN OFF OF DONAHUE DRIVE. I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER REVISITING THE FENCE ISSUE. ALTHOUGH THERE IS A LARGE WOODED AREA SCHOOL AND THIS. WHAT RESTAURANTS AND DUMPSTERS ATTRACT OUR COYOTES THAT RUNS THROUGH WOODED AREAS, IF YOU DO NOT PUT A FENCE BETWEEN THE WOODED AREA IN THE PARKING LOT, THAT WILL BE COYOTES RUNNING RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE I GET INTO THESE DETAILS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE CONSTITUENT OR CITIZEN TONIGHT THAT HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF THIS. THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEVELOPER. REGARDING WHAT IS IN HERE, WE ARE ABOUT TO BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL ON DRAKE -- ON DONAHUE, EXCUSE ME. WE WILL HAVE HIGH SCHOOLERS WALK PAST THIS DEVELOPMENT. FOR THAT REASON, I THINK WE NEED TO NOT HAVE A BREWPUB. THAT IS A FANCY NAME FOR BAR THAT SERVES FOOD.

I DON'T NEED SOMEBODY WHO WENT TO AN EARLY HAPPY HOUR AT 3:00 P.M. PEELING OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT TO OUR SCHOOL ZONE. I DO NOT THINK THAT IS SAFE. I AGREE, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A VAPE SHOP . I AGREE, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A CBD SHOP OR CANNABIS, ONCE IT IS LEGALIZED IN THE STATE BEING SOLD IN THIS RETAIL CENTER. THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO GET IT, EVEN IF THERE UNDERAGE. AND WE ARE INCREASING THEIR ACCESS TO IT. WE DO NOT NEED IT. WE DO NOT NEED A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL GROCERY STORE HERE. WE ALL HAVE THREE GROCERY STORES WITHIN NINE MINUTES OF US AND WE ARE FINALLY DRIVING TO THEM.

WE DON'T NEED ONE RIGHT THERE. I ASKED THE COMMITTEE PLEASE CONSIDER REMOVING THOSE FROM THIS SECTION. THANK YOU.

>>

FORWARD? >> JASON JOHNSON. 1431 CRESCENT BOULEVARD. IT IS A DEVELOPMENT FROM SAID DEVELOPER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I WANTED TO SAY, I HAVE MY THREE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER HERE AND MY WIFE. WE HAVE A NEW BOY ON THE WAY IN FEBRUARY. WE ARE RIGHT AROUND THE OWNER FROM THIS . WHAT MR. DAVIS BROUGHT UP BEFORE, YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO DO SOME THING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AROUND THERE. WHAT I TOOK FROM THAT IS NONE OF Y'ALL LIVE WHERE THIS IS GOING ON.

JUST FOR A MOMENT BEFORE YOU DECIDE ON WHAT CAN AND CANNOT GO THERE, THINK ABOUT IF THIS WERE YOUR BACKYARDS BACKING UP THESE BUSINESSES. MISS STEVENS, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT A FAST FOOD PLACE THAT IS NOT USED TO SPEAKERS ANYMORE, I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT BEFORE. JUST THINK ABOUT YOUR BACKYARDS BACKING UP TO THE STREET IF YOU HAVE A THREE-YEAR-OLD OR A BOY ON THE WAY. WHAT SHOULD BE THERE? THESE CAN GO ELSEWHERE. JUST THINK IN THE BEST INTEREST OF US AND IF YOU WERE THERE. I

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WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>>

>> ANGELA HILL AGAIN. -- MY BACKYARD WILL THIS BE THIS BACKYARD. FOR CONDITIONAL USE, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DENY GYMNASIUM. MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE NOISE AND PROBABLY THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING A GYMNASIUM WOULD BE IN MY BACKYARD. ATMS WITH DRIVE-THROUGHS. FAST FOOD RESTAURANT. RESTAURANT. GAS AND SERVICE STATIONS. I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SEE THE BACK OF A TIRE STORE IN MY BACKYARD. AGAIN, WITH ANY RESTAURANT OR FOOD SERVICES, THERE ARE DUMPSTERS. I ALREADY HAVE A FERAL CAT PROBLEM AND MICE PROBLEM. THAT WOULD BE MAKING THE WHOLE PROBLEM WORSE. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DENY THOSE. BREWPUB ALSO BECAUSE OF LATE-NIGHT HOURS AND THE CLIENTELE . THANK YOU FOR

YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. VAPE, MARIJUANA, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT , AND LOVED STUFF STORES BEING CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL. IS THERE A DISTANCE?

>> YOU CAN PUT BUFFERS ON THINGS LIKE THAT. NORMALLY THOSE THINGS ARE STATE LAWS. I GUESS WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE IF THERE WERE EXISTING BUFFERS. I GUESS THAT WOULD APPLY TO THAT.

FROM A BUFFER STANDPOINT, , THOSE THINGS COULD BE EXPRESSLY CONDITIONED IF YOU WANTED. IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE LISTED IN

THE APPROVAL. >> I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY BUFFER ZONE FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES TO A SCHOOL. HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE EXISTING STATE LAWS, THOSE STATE LAWS WOULD INHIBIT THOSE USES FROM BEING THERE , NOT ANYTHING THAT SOMEBODY COULD OR WOULD DO. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE USES THAT ARE IMPROVED IF THERE IS A RESTRICTION ON A VAPE SHOP BEING WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF A SCHOOL AND A VAPE SHOP INTEND TO OPEN THIS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT DISTANCE. THE STATE LAW WOULD ACT TO PROHIBIT THAT. THIS BOARD NOR THE CITY COUNCIL

WOULD HAVE TO ACT. >> SO WE COULD NOT PUT A

SPECIFIC DECISION. >> I AM SAYING IS NOT NECESSARY. THE STATE LAW WOULD ALREADY PROHIBIT IT.

>> IF IT DOES NOT EXIST IS WHAT I'M ASKING.

>> THE ISSUE WITH BUFFERS, AND THIS HAS BEEN A TRIED AND GONE TO COURT AND BEEN FOUGHT. THE ISSUE WITH BUFFERS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THESE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS. I USED TO LIVE IN MINNESOTA. WITH VERY RESTRICTIVE LIQUOR LAWS BUT DID HAVE A STATE LAW BUFFERS AROUND THEM. IT CAN'T BE NEAR GROUP HOMES, CHURCHES, DAY CARES, ET CETERA. I'M SURE OF EVERYONE ON THEIR COMMUTE INTO TOWN. THERE ARE SCHOOL EVERYWHERE.

WHEN YOU START TO PUT THAT SO I THINK THE ONE IN MINNESOTA HAS 500 FOOT BUFFERS. YOU PUT THAT ON A MAP , AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT CANNOT EXIST IN THE CITY ANYMORE. WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT IS THE INTENT. FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH A BACKDOOR BAN ON IT. THAT HAS GONE TO COURT AND HAVE BEEN FOUGHT AS LIKE , THIS IS THE WAY JUST ABANDONS. I WOULD CAUTION YOU ALL. I GUESS IT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD TRY FROM A CONDITIONAL USE STANDPOINT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED

TO VET THE VALIDITY OF. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION SHOULD BE , WHAT TYPE OF -- ARE THE ORAL -- ALL CONSIDERED RETAIL?

>> I THINK ALL THREE WOULD BE CONSIDERED.

>> I WOULD SAY INSTEAD OF TRYING TO NAME OUT AND REQUEST WHAT ALL CAN FALL UNDER GENERAL RETAIL, WE ARE BACK TO EXCLUSIVELY NAMING WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT. I THINK IF YOU ARE

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PREVENTED OUT RIGHT. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING.

WERE I HAVE LIVED, THERE WAS ALWAYS RULES AND REGULATIONS OF WHERE YOU CAN PUT A VAPE SHOP OR A "LOVE STUFF" . DOES THE CITY OF AUBURN DID NOT HAVE REGULATIONS ON WHERE "LOVE

STUFF" CANNOT GO? >> IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE RETAIL POSITION, NO. THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, NO.

>> YOU WOULD BE RUNNING INTO THE FINE LINE , THERE ARE CERTAIN ADULT DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AT ALL VENUES, NIGHTCLUBS. THOSE THINGS ARE ESPECIALLY OUTLINED. ONCE AGAIN, SUPREME COURT CANNOT BE FLATLY BANNED IN THE CITY. IT CAN BE SECTIONED OFF TO SOMEWHERE. THAT'S IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS. THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAPPEN LITERALLY OLCOTT -- ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WERE THINGS ARE SLIPPERY WITH THE GENERAL RETAIL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE AN APPROACH ON CONDITIONAL USE STANDPOINT AND FLIGHT OUT DENIER. A CONDITIONAL USE DOES EMPOWER YOU TO EXPLICITLY NAME SOME AND YOU DO NOT WANT. I THINK THIS IS BACK TO WHAT WE ARE GETTING OUT. THE PDD IS A CONTRACT AND IN THE CONTRACT YOU CAN PUT THIS IS NOT EXQUISITELY ALLOW. THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE COPYRIGHT SOMEONE WOULD BE ENTITLED TO TO JUST SAY, NO, I AM GOING TO BUILD THIS. I HAVE THE OPTION AND YOU CANNOT STOP ME. I HAVE MET THE STANDARDS, GIVE ME MY PERMIT. IN THIS, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERTLY NAME THEM. SO, THE VAPE SHOP, CANNABIS, BREWPUB. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM OUT, YOU CAN DO THAT. I WOULD SAY, INSTEAD OF FIGHTING THE AMORPHOUS GENERAL RETAIL, IDENTIFY THE EXQUISITE

ONE YOU DO NOT WANT. >> AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD HAVE

TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. >> YES. I GUESS THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CHEW ON. HERE ARE THE THINGS WE DID NOT WANT IN IT, HERE ARE THE THINGS WE GOT SIGNIFICANT COMMENT ABOUT THAT THEY HAD REAL CONCERNS ABOUT. AND THEY

CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. >> IF I CAN INTERJECT. VERY QUICKLY LOOKING AT ALABAMA STATE LAW, IT PROHIBITS THE SHOPS WITHIN ÷1000 DESK 1000 YARDS OF

>> WHAT ABOUT THE ADULT STORE?

>> WE ONLY HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE VAPE SHOP.

>> THAT DID NOT TAKE ANY ACTION FROM US ON OUR PART .

>> STATE LAW ALREADY PROHIBITS IT .

>> OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN. SORRY. 431 FEET FROM EAST. AND THE SCHOOL IS STILL WITHIN 1000 FEET OF THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE ARE BACK. JUST REMEMBER, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS IN THE PDD. IF YOU CHANGE ANYTHING ON THIS, YOU WILL NEED

TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. >> I HAVE TO MAKE THIS A PART

OF THE MOTION? >> YES.

>> JUST FOR CLARITY. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN. PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ON THE TOP KIND OF FALLS INTO THAT 1000 FEET.

>> I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THE ONLY PLACE IT COULD GO WOULD BE THAT FURTHEST BOTTOM WEST CORNER . EVEN THAT WOULD BE DICEY. I WOULD INTERPRET IT AS, THAT ESTABLISHMENTS , IF IT'S SUBDIVIDED OR EVEN FROM THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS HOW I WOULD

[02:55:04]

WITHIN THE THOUSAND FEET . >> THANK YOU.

>> SAVANNA COME BOUNDING . I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION OF SOMETHING OF FURTHER RESTRICTIONS WOULD SUFFICE. AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING COUNSEL WOULD BE AWARE OF AND ASKED IN THEIR DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS PROJECT AS WELL. IF YOU WANTED TO MENTION IT ON THIS CONDITION THAT WOULD BE

FINE TOO. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OR

MOTION? PLEASE BE SPECIFIC. >> I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE. -- WITH EXEMPTING GENERAL MERCHANDISE, ALL DRIVE-THROUGHS , VETERINARIAN WITHOUT OUTDOOR KENNELS , MOBILE FOOD COURTS . HOW DO I SAY THE OTHERS? AND, THE COUNSELOR SHOULD LOOK AT VAPE SHOPS, "LOVE STUFF ".

>> YOU COULD SAY FURTHER EXEMPTING, I GUESS. LIKE I SAID, THERE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. OUR COUNSEL DOES DUE DILIGENCE. THEY WILL BE AWARE OF THE DISCUSSION.

>> I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO. >> WITH FURTHER EXEMPTIONS AS DISCUSSED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THERE YOU GO. >> DOESN'T NEED TO BE

RESTATED? >> OH, PLEASE.

>> I THINK WE ARE GOOD. >> I HAVE A MOTION.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A

RECESS. >> CAN WE JUST PASSED THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> IT WAS NOT APPROVED. MY RECESS WAS NOT APPROVED.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> AND MINUTES FROM THE MEETING PACKET FROM THE COMMISSION

MEETINGS OF DECEMBER, 2024. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY, AYE.

>> AYE . >> NOW WE ARE ON A NEW BUSINESS. MAY I PLEASE HAVE A RECESS?

>> THE CLEAR A

[7. Waiver - Profundity 1-A - PUBLIC HEARING]

>> IT IS 8:08. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON NEW

BUSINESS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE DISCUSSION AND ABSTAINED FROM THE VOTE. FOR

THE NEXT ITEM. >> OKAY, NOTED.

>> REQUESTING A WAIVER TO SECTION 4, SECTION E OF THE CITY OF AUBURN SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TO ALLOW A SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD CREATE A SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED LOT ABUTTING AND TAKING ACCESS SOLELY FROM A PRIVATE ACCESS TO DRIVE. IS LOCATED AT 1048 ZELLARS AVENUE . THE ZONING DISTRICT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND SEE -8 -- NC -8.

WHERE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVES ARE ADEQUATE, AND WHERE THEY CAN BE LIMITED. THIS REQUEST WOULD MEET ALL OF THAT EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IT SERVES TWO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. THIS IS A

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IS SIMILAR TO ONES YOU SEE FOR TOWNHOMES. THIS IS A CASE WHEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. I WOULD SAY THE EXISTING LOT CONFIGURATION OF THE BEING A FLAG LOOKING LOT IS A PRODUCT OF PREVIOUS SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AS EARLY AS JUNE, 2023. I BELIEVE THESE THREE LOT HERE ARE A PART OF THE -- AS WELL. IT HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED INTO 2021 OF MARCH. AUGUST, 2021 AND AGAIN IN JUNE, 2023.

-- THIS A LOT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.08 ACRES. THE ZONE ALLOWS FOR -- DUAL LOTS CONFIGURATION, IT IS TOUGH TO FIT MORE LOTS IN THE AREA BECAUSE OF THE BOTTLENECK OF THE ROADWAY.

THERE WAS A POTENTIAL TO DO FLOG LOT BUT IT CANNOT BE DONE IN NC ZONES. THIS IS THE LATEST AVENUE THAT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING. OF ALL OF THE OPTIONS, STAFF WOULD PREFERRED THIS ONE.

EVEN THOUGH IT IS AN EXCEPTION THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED .

GENERALLY, WE DON'T WANT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. FOR PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVES BECAUSE THERE IS SENTIMENT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE LARGE-SCALE GATED DEVELOPMENTS . WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE GATED ALONG ZELLARS AVENUE .

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE ONE. >> IT WOULD BE A HOMEOWNER

ASSOCIATION TYPE DEAL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE OTHER HOME GOES AGAIN?

>> THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THE PLOT CONFIGURATION MAY CHANGE. BUT THE PREMISE IS THE EXISTING BUILDING. THERE WOULD BE A SECONDARY HOUSE ON THIS LOT, ON

THIS SIDE. >> THEY HAVE TO GET BEFORE THEY SUBDIVIDE? IT'S NOT SUBDIVIDED RIGHT NOW?

>> CORRECT. THEY CANNOT SUBDIVIDE WITHOUT THIS. IT WOULD CREATE A LANDLOCKED -- LANDLOCKED .

>> THIS WAIVER DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS . I CANNOT SEE ANYMORE. I

APOLOGIZE. >> SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME. COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR MOTIONS. PLEASE BE AWARE OF THE

GATE. >> I MOVED TO CASE -- WITH THE CONDITION OF THE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE SHALL NOT BE GATED ALONG

ZELLARS AVENUE. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> OPPOSED?

>> ABSTAINED. >> OKAY. WE HAVE AN ANNEXATION.

[8. Annexation - Extra Space Management Inc. ]

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>> FOR THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 4.4 ACRES INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

IT'S LOCATED AT 220 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET. IT IS NEARBY, ADJACENT CITY PROPERTY IN THE SOUTH COLLEGE COURT OR DISTRICT -- COURT OR DISTRICT -- YOU CAN SEE IT'S WELL WITHIN THE BOUNDARY. AND HAS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR ANNEXATION. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A HISTORICAL SITE PLAN OF THE SITE. THE SITE HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN. EXISTING SCORE -- STORAGE FACILITY WAS BUILT IN AUGUST OF THIS PAST YEAR. WITH THAT, IF IT'S ANNEXED, THE AUTOMATIC DESIGNATION IS RURAL.

IT WILL COME INTO THE CITY UNDER THE WORLD ZORAN -- ZONING DESTINATION. AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO ARTICLE SEVEN.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OF NOTE . THERE IS A BILLBOARD ON THIS SITE. AND THERE IS CURRENTLY AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY REGARDING THE BILLBOARD AND IT'S TIME THAT WILL BE ON THE SITE. THE EXPIRATION RELEASE IS UNTIL 2028. THERE IS AN AGREEMENT TO REMOVE THE BILLBOARD AFTER THAT TIME. WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION OF THAT AGREEMENT BEING IN PLACE REGARDING THE BILLBOARD BEING INSTRUMENTED THROUGH AN AGREEMENT THROUGH THE CITY AND PROPERTY OWNER. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THE PROPERTY IS SUPPOSED TO BE ANNEXED AS RURAL. HOWEVER,

IT'S WITHIN THE SCCD. >> THERE IS NOT A TIRED REZONING TO THIS REQUEST? IT WILL STAY RURAL. UP UNTIL THERE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE. I WOULD SAY THE MOST APPLICABLE ZONING

WOULD BE SCCD. >> WHY DID THEY NOT GO TOWARDS

THAT SECOND STEP? >> I AM NOT SURE WHY. GIVEN THAT SELF STORAGE FACILITIES ARE NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN ANY ZONE, IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HELP THEM IF THEY ARE SCCD, GIVEN THE ENTIRE SITE IS ALREADY A SELF STORAGE FACILITY. IF THEY WERE TO EXPAND THE FACILITY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE TO SOMEWHERE IT IS CONDITIONAL.

>> AND I GUESS THE FUNCTION OF THAT IS COMING UNDER A NONCONFORMITY CLAUSE ALLOW THE TO OPERATE, WHICH IS ALL THEIR INTENT IS. KIND OF LIKE -- MENTIONED, THEY CANNOT EXPAND.

THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO REZONE AND FIND SOMETHING APPROPRIATE.

THE EXISTENCE OF THE NONCONFORMITY DID NOT HINDER THE CURRENT OPERATION. IT WAS ALSO NOT A PART OF THE RESOLUTION ATTACHED TO THE ANNEXATION. THE RESOLUTION IS REQUIRED THEY ANNEXED SINCE THEY HAD CITY WATER ONCE THEY GOT THERE CO. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FACILITY -- THE SOUL

HITTING RIGHT NOW. >> YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE. ARE THESE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS, THE ONE STILL OUT OF THE COUNTY UP THERE ON THE CORNER?

>> THE WHITE? >> YES. THAT ONE, RIGHT HERE.

THE ONE ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH COLLEGE AND LAKE .

>> IT LOOKS LIKE A PART OF OUR PROPERTY WE ARE LOOKING AT.

>> I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN. IS NOT BEING ANNEXED.

>> IS IN THE COUNTY, IS WHAT SHE IS ASKING.

>> ALL THE WHITE IS IN THE COUNTY CURRENTLY.

>> IS THAT TWO SEPARATE LOTS? >> YES. THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS ONE LOT OF RECORD. ONE LOT OF RECORD IS BEING

CONSIDERED. >> IS THE OTHER PART OWNED BY

THE SAME OWNER? >> NO. IT IS SEPARATE.

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>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANNEXATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS. COMMISSIONERS?

>> I MOVE APPROVE CASE AX-2024-030 . WITH THE CONDITIONS , I RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. THE CONDITIONS BEING THE BILLBOARD ON SITE SHALL NOT BE RENEWED

WHEN THE CURRENT LEASE EXPIRES. >> IT SHOULD NOT BE REBUILT.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. >> WITH A SECOND.

[9. Rezoning - Green River - PUBLIC HEARING]

>> I DID NOT KNOW IF HE WAS DOING GREEN RIVER.

>> I DON'T THINK WE MADE A MOTION TO POSTPONE AND THAT'S.

>> I AM SORRY. GREEN RIVER HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT UNTIL A

DATE CERTAIN. >> THE FEBRUARY MEETING.

>> IT WOULD BE FEBRUARY 13TH. >> THE REQUEST IS FOR POSTPONEMENT UNTIL THE DATE OF FEBRUARY 13TH.

>> MOTION TO PROPOSE THAT CO-POSTPONE CASE -- TO DATE

[10. Conditional Use - Christian Brothers Automotive - PUBLIC HEARING]

CERTAIN FOR EVERY 13. >> SECOND.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE.

>> THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. WELCOME BACK.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. >> GOOD EVENING.

>> THE RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A ROAD SERVICE USE FOR AUTOMATED REPAIR . LOCATED AT 2860 EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH A PDD OVERLAY.

YOU CAN SEE IT IS MOSTLY CDD WITH PDD OVERLAY. YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER AND A BANK. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND IS A PART OF THE SHOPS AT KERRY CREEK PDD ALREADY. IN 2008, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE USE -- FOR USERS INCLUDING THE ROAD SERVICE USERS, WHICH IS THE CURRENT -- THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS THAT OF A INAUDIBLE ] IT INVOLVES A PART OF THE WHOLE SITE -- ALSO, AND AUTOMATED REPAIR SERVICE IS A USEFUL FACILITY. THERE ARE NO SUCH FACILITIES. THUS, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. HOWEVER, CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS 6.97 ACRES. THIS WHOLE AREA IS ONE LOT OF REGARD. IN THE PROPOSAL IS JUST ON THE SMALL AREA. SO THE NEEDS TO BE AN ADMIN PLAT REQUEST FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WILL DIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS. ONE IN THE NORTHERN HALF AND ONE IN THE SOUTHERN HALF IF THEY WANT TO USE JUST THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

>> DID YOU SAY IT WOULD BE ADMIN?

>> YES. IT CAN BE AN ADMIN PLAT SUBDIVIDING IT. ALSO, THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW ARE BASED ON THE PROPERTY CONSIDERING IT AS ONE LOT OF -- ONCE THAT ADMIN PLAT -- IF THOSE THINGS WILL CHANGE, THE BUFFERING QUITE WILL CHANGE. SO THE NEED TO BE RECALCULATED ONCE THE ADMIN IS DONE. AS LONG AS THAT IS DONE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS

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WE RECOMMEND IT. >> THE WAY THE SITE PLAN IS PRESENTED , EVEN YOU DO THE SEPARATION, THE DISTAL MEET THE

ISR -- REQUIREMENTS? >> I HAVE NOT CALCULATED IT BASED ON IF IT'S JUST A LOT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AREA WE WILL BE REQUESTING. HERE, THEY ARE NOT SHOWING IT. I DO NOT

KNOW WHAT IS EXACT AREA IS. >> THEY ARE ALLOWED A LOT MORE

WITH THIS BIG PROPERTY. >> THIS IS KIND OF THE FAR END OF THE SPECTRUM OF HOW THIS IS DONE. NOT THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, BUT WHEN WE TALK TO A LOT OF DESIGN PROFESSIONALS AND HOW THEIR PROJECTS GO, THEY ARE NORMALLY NOT OPERATING WITH MORSE ACCURATE DATA OUT THE OUTSET. WHEN THEY COME TO US, A LOT OF THIS IS BASED ON EDUCATED GUESSES FROM THE CITY'S GIS OR AN OLD SURVEY OR SOMETHING. THEY ARE NOT OPERATING WITH AN ACCURATE SURVEY OR WHAT THEY'RE DOING YET. OFTENTIMES, THEY ARE OPERATING WITH AN EDUCATED GUESS. THIS, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ADMIN PLAT SURVEY APPLICABLE. EVEN IF THEY DID SUBMIT THE, OFTENTIMES ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IS ONE TO GET THE SURVEY, THINGS ARE TWEAKED. THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH SPACE THEY INITIALLY THOUGHT. AND SO SOME OF THE DETAIL GET SHIFTED.

>> WHAT ARE THEY DOING? >> NOT SOMETHING THAT IS A DEALBREAKER. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A COMMENT AND NOT A CONDITION. BUT SOMETHING JUST TO BE AWARE OF. IT IS SOMETHING WE MUTUALLY WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF. WE TOLD THEM AT THE OUTSET THAT, YOU NEED TO GET AN ADMIN PLAT AND GET IT CLEANED UP SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT BOUNDARIES WE ARE REALLY

WORKING WITH. >>

>> AND ALSO IT TIES UP THE CONDITIONAL USE TO THE WHOLE

THING. >> IT SHOULD BE A NON-CON --

NON-CON FORM . >> THE ENTRANCE WILL BE FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER? IS IT GOING TO BE THE SAME ENTRANCE

IN FRONT OF TROY BANK? >> THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW . SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? MOTIONS?

>> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE CU-2024-050 WITH

RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED?

[11. Preliminary Plat - Walker Carlton Subdivision Redivision of Lot 6 - PUBLIC HEARING ]

>> THIS CANNOT BE THE LAST ONE, IS IT?

>> NO IT IS NOT. >> KIND OF LAST ITEMS FOR

TONIGHT. >> WE STILL HAVE MORE BUSINESS.

>> THIS REQUEST IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY AND DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS TO THE CITY OF AUBURN. IT IS SARAH LANE, EAST OF AMERICA ROAD AND NORTH OF NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE. IT IS IN THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL. RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE YELLOW AND THE BLUE. THE DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER. IT IS WORTH MENTIONING THIS PLAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN SEPTEMBER, 2021.

BUT IT HAS COME BACK AROUND AS A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT SUBMITTAL TO CORRECT SOME ITEMS THAT WERE CONTAINED IN THE PREVIOUS PLAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, STAFF IS APPROVING THIS REQUEST OR PRELIMINARY

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