Feb 18, 2025 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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TO TONIGHT'S AUBURN CITY COUNCIL 18TH, 2025.

WE WELCOME EVERYONE WHO HAS JOINED US LIVE TONIGHT, AS WELL AS THOSE LISTENING ON THE RADIO AND WATCHING THROUGH OUR STREAMING SERVICES. LINDSAY, DO YOU HAVE THE ROLL CALL?

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>> COUNCILMEMBER ADAMS? >> HERE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER MOREMAN? >> HERE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER PARSONS? >> HERE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN? >> HERE.

>> MAYOR ANDERS? >> HERE. WE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THEN FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. PLEASE BE SEATED. EARLIER THIS EVENING DURING THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, CITY COUNCIL MADE A DECISION TO REOPEN THE PORTAL FOR THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO, WE WILL REOPEN THAT TOMORROW. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPLY, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR MEMBERS WHOSE TERMS ARE ENDING THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, UNDER THE COUNCILS TRADITIONS, TO SERVE A SECOND FULL-TERM THAT ARE MAY BE UNAWARE THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY EXISTS, AND WE WILL BE

[4. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS. ]

AND THE AUBURN COMMUNITY ORCHESTRA WILL BE HAVING A CONFERENCE ON FEBRUARY THE 25TH. THAT INFORMATION IS ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL. I AM PLEASED TONIGHT THAT WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL FFA THAT ARE WITH US. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IF YOU ARE, WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME FORWARD AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR ORGANIZATION.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LIZA, AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE AUBURN FFA CHAPTER. THIS WEEK, WE CELEBRATE NATIONAL FFA WEEK, A TIME TO HIGHLIGHT AGRICULTURAL EDUCATION , LEADERSHIP, AND SERVICE. FFA WEEK IS ALWAYS BUSY FOR OUR CHAPTER. WE ARE HOSTING OVER 160 KINDERGARTNERS AT AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL FOR HANDS-ON AGRICULTURE ACTIVITIES , AND READING AGRICULTURAL BOOKS TO SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS. THESE EVENTS HELP CONNECT YOUNG LEARNERS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF FARMING, FOOD, AND SUSTAINABILITY. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE THE SEED LIBRARY AT THE AUBURN PUBLIC LIBRARY. THIS FREE RESOURCE ALLOWS COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO CHECK OUT SEEDS , GROW THEIR OWN PLANS, AND LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR CULTURE FIRSTHAND. TO KEEP THIS PROGRAM GOING, WE ARE ALSO ACCEPTING

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I INVITE EVERYBODY TO VISIT TO THE SEED LIBRARY , AND CONSIDER MAKING A SEED DONATION. THANK YOU FOR MAKING YOUR TIME IN YOUR SUPPORT OF AGRICULTURE EDUCATION IN THE AUBURN FFA CHAPTER.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD AND SHARING THAT WITH US. WE HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT WEEK. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? YES SIR,

COUNCILMEMBER MOREMAN? >> THIS COMING SUNDAY, THE 23RD OF FEBRUARY, THE CITY WILL HOST OF THE WAR EAGLE RUN FAST. MY DAUGHTER, THE ATHLETE OF THE FAMILY , INFORMS ME THAT SHE WILL BE RUNNING. THERE WILL BE A HALF MARATHON AND A 5K , AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MY THANKS TO THE AUBURN POLICE FORCE FOR KEEPING US SAFE DURING THIS EVENT AND SO MANY OTHERS. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE ROOT RUNS THROUGH THE STREETS OF AUBURN.

THROUGH THE OLD PARTS OF AUBURN, MAINLY, AND ESPECIALLY WARDS FIVE AND SIX. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I HAVE GOT ANY OF MY DETAILS WRONG , BUT THAT IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT. I UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ROADBLOCKS SET UP , AND ROLLING ROADBLOCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. DO YOU CARE TO COMMENT ON THAT?

>> CERTAINLY. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR THAT WE ARE DOING THE HALF MARATHON, AND IT DOES INCLUDE ROLLING ROADBLOCKS . IT STARTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ON DUTCH AVENUE, AND WILL GO DOWN AND TURN ON GLENN , AND THEN THE ROUTE GOES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE WILL JUST CAUTION EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF THE RACE THIS WEEKEND, AND TO BE EXTRA VIGILANT ABOUT THE ROADBLOCKS, AND TO AVOID THAT AREA AS THE RUNNERS GET THROUGH.

>> IT DOES START EARLY. >> THEY WILL BE SETTING UP MONDAY MORNING, I GUESS. BUT FOR THOSE WHO WOULD RUN ABOUT AS FAST AS HE, THEY MIGHT BE AT IT WHEN PEOPLE GET OUT OF CHURCH .

HOWEVER, JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT AREA. THERE ARE ROUTES AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE, AND WE WANT TO KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE AND FOR THEM TO ENJOY THEMSELVES. WE ALSO WANT TO THANK A OH TOURISM. THEY HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO PUT THIS ON, AND IT BRINGS A LOT OF JOY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE TIES AND COME TO AUBURN TO RUN THE RACE.

>> ANYONE ELSE? YES, COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN?

>> OKAY. THIS SATURDAY, I WILL BE HOSTING A WINTER MASQUERADE, AND I WON'T EVEN SAY FOR SENIOR CITIZENS, I WILL SAY 55 PLUS .

IT WILL BE FROM 3:00 TO 6:00 P.M. IT'S FREE TO THE PUBLIC, SO COME OUT AND ENJOY FOOD AND ENTERTAINMENT.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN?

>> WELL WE ARE ANNOUNCING FUNDING FOR THE CITY, NEXT SATURDAY, THE TIGERS ARE HOSTING THE EIGHTH ANNUAL MARDI GRAS PARADE IN AUBURN AT 2:00 P.M. WITH THE START OF THE BASKETBALL GAME AT 12:00 P.M. , IT WILL BE A VERY BUSY WEEKEND IN DOWNTOWN.

A VERY BUSY SATURDAY IN DOWNTOWN AUBURN. SO, COME DOWNTOWN, SUPPORT THE PARADE. IT IS THE EIGHTH ANNUAL. THERE WILL BE OVER 40 FLOATS AND PARTICIPANTS, AND AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THE THANKS TO TOURISM, THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS, AND CITY DEPARTMENTS WHO HELPED SET UP THE PARADE.

>> JUST A QUICK REMINDER, THAT IS KENTUCKY?

>> YES. >> THE PARADE ROUTE WILL CLOSE AT 11:45 A.M.. WE WILL BE CLOSING PARADE ROUTES EARLIER THAN WE USED TO. SO, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE, BUT SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> MAYOR, AS WE ALL KNOW, LAST WEEK WAS A VERY STORMY WEEK HERE IN AUBURN. I WOULD LIKE ALL PLEASE WHO WORKED VERY HARD DURING THOSE STORMS , ESPECIALLY THE AUBURN FIRE AND POLICE. THEY HAD TO RESPOND TO MY HOUSE THAT WAS BROUGHT ON BY A POWER LINE THURSDAY MORNING. THEY WERE VERY EFFICIENT AND DID A WONDERFUL JOB.

>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US OF THAT. ANYONE

[5. AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS.]

COMMUNICATIONS. >> HI. GOOD EVENING.

>> GOOD EVENING. >> FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO THANK MAYOR ANDERS FOR LETTING US EAT BREAKFAST WITH HIM ON VALENTINE'S DAY. THAT WAS A GREAT DAY. HISTORIC. TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HELD ELECTIONS. SO, THERE IS A 33 PERCENT VOTER TURNOUT , AND WE ELECTED RILEY -- BUCKLEY AS THE VICE

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AS YOU CAN TELL, RIGHT NOW IS A VERY BUSY TIME AT AUBURN WITH INTERVIEWS AND EVERYTHING, AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS TO GET INVOLVED. AND THEN THIS THURSDAY, OUR LOBBY BOARD WILL TRAVEL TO MONTGOMERY TO DISSIPATE IN HIGHER EDUCATION DAY, WHERE WE WILL MEET WITH STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND STUDENTS FROM OTHER UNIVERSITIES. WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADVOCATE FOR AUBURN UNIVERSITY, AND HIGHER EDUCATION ALABAMA. THAT IS ALL FOR TODAY.

[6. CITIZENS’ COMMUNICATIONS ON AGENDA ITEMS.]

>> OH, EAGLES. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN OUR BOARD MEETING UP FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS ON AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS ONLY ON ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. THESE ARE ITEMS THAT DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED. MY GUESS IS A LOT OF YOU THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT AN ACTION THAT DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ATTACHED, AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THEN TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS KNOWN. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL. WE WOULD ASK YOU SHARE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> HELLO. I AM ROBERTA JACK COLE. I LIVE AT 531 HAMILTON HILL COURT HERE IN AUBURN, 36830. FIRST OF ALL, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ATTIRE. I DON'T NORMALLY WEAR SHORTS IN PUBLIC IN THE SUMMER , BUT I WANTED EVERYONE TO SEE MY KNEE. THREE WEEKS AGO TODAY , I HAD COMPLETE KNEE SURGERY , AND I WASN'T EVEN PLANNING TO COME TONIGHT. THIS WAS VERY LAST MINUTE. I APOLOGIZE FOR USING MY PHONE , BUT IT DID NOT EVEN HAVE TIME TO PRINT THIS OUT. I WAS ACTUALLY SWIMMING DOING MY REHAB AT THE SPORTSPLEX , AND GETTING SO UPSET THAT I HAD TO DRIVE 15 MINUTES AND PAY MONEY TO THE CITY TO REHAB --

>> MISS JACKAL? >> YES.

>> A LEADER, THE FOR THE END OF THE MEETING. THIS IS THE TIME

FOR ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. >> OKAY.

>> YES, MA'AM. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING, YOU CAN TALK TO US ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO. ALL RIGHT? I AM SORRY IF I DID NOT EXPLAIN THAT WELL. WOULD ANYBODY

[7. CITY MANAGER’S COMMUNICATIONS]

>> MAYOR, I HAVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF ONE VACANCY FOR AN UNEXPIRED TERM, AND WILL BE FILLED UPON APPOINTMENT AND ENDS APRIL 14TH, 2026. THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE MADE AT THE MARCH 18TH MEETING. DON'T CONFUSE THIS. THERE WILL BE A SECOND LIBRARY BOARD APPOINTMENT WHERE AN INCUMBENT IS ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT THAT COMES ABOUT A POINT MONTH LATER. THIS IS AN OPEN SEAT SINCE SOMEBODY MOVED OUT OF CITY LIMITS. YOU WILL HAVE TWO IN A ROW AND MULTIPLE MONTH. AND THAT WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR A TERM THAT BEGINS JUNE 1ST AND ENDS MAY 30TH -- SORRY, MAY 31ST, 2031. THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE MADE AT THE APRIL 15TH MEETING, AND REMINDER, THERE WILL BE INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED UPON THE

[8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA]

FINALIST SELECTIONS. >> OKAY.

>> ARE WE READY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> PLEASE. >> THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS, DOES ANYONE WANT TO REMOVE AN ITEM OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DEAL WITH IT INDIVIDUALLY? THAT'S A REMINDER, ITEM 8F HAS

BEEN REMOVED. >> IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO

APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> SO MOVED.

>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE

[9. a. Zoning. Planning Commission recommendations. Unanimous consent necessary. Public hearings required.]

SAY AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OF PROVED OPPOSED? THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

>> ITEM 9A, -- FROM RURAL TO COPPERHEADS OF DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE PLANNING DISTRICT UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT ITS JANUARY 9TH MEETING. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY, AND A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> I WILL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS

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CONSENT. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? OKAY. I'M SEEING AND HEARING NONE. BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, COULD WE ASK THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR ANY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE WILL BE

CONSIDERING HERE TONIGHT? >> WE HAVE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR GIVING AN OVERVIEW -- WOULD YOU LIKE ANY PARTICULAR DRAWING UP ON THE SCREEN FOR THE OVERVIEW OF THE ZONING MAP OR THE FUTURE

LAND USE MAP? BOTH ARE PREPARED. >> I GUESS JUST THE LAYOUT OF

THE PROPOSAL I GUESS? >> DO YOU WANT TO GO, BECAUSE THIS IS CDD COMEDY WANT TO HAVE REZONING?

>> LET'S JUST PUT THE OFFICIAL LAND USE MAP UP. THAT IS FINE.

>> HE IS WORKING ON IT. THERE IT IS. GO AHEAD.

>> THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST. THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES NOT SPEAK TO WHAT SOMEONE CAN NEATLY DO ON THE PROPERTY. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SPEAKS WITH THE CITY ENVISIONS FOR THE PARCEL DOWN THE ROAD WITH WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. THIS IS MIXED-USE , MEDIUM INTENSITY.

THIS IS AT A MAJOR SECTION OF A THOROUGHFARE. FOR THIS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE DENSITY HAS A DUALITY THAT GOES WITH DENSITY AND THE SIZE OF THE SCALE OF THE USE MEDIUM.

INTENSITY LOOKS LIKE SHOPPING CENTERS , BECAUSE THE PROJECT WE ARE CONSIDERING IS EXCLUSIVELY COMMERCIAL. 13.7, LIKE I SAID , JUST FISHED FITS THE COMMERCIAL NODES WE ARE LOOKING FOR. I GUESS I CAN GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT JUST THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE , CDD IS ONE OF THE LONG-STANDING ZONING INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE HAD FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ATTACHING IT WITH THE PDD THAT GIVES US A LOT OF CONTROL . AS FAR AS LIMITING THE USES, BECAUSE THERE ARE RIGHT OPTIONS THAT NORMALLY MAKE STAFF A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT LIKE I SAID, COUPLING THIS RECOMMENDATION WITH THE PDD OVERLAY ALONG WITH THE CDD I THINK THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE OF ACHIEVEMENT AND MIXED-USE MEDIUM INTENSITY AT THE SITE.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYONE FROM THE DAIS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF OR COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN, I AM LOOKING AT YOU. YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?

>> CERTAINLY. ONE WAS, JUST FOR A TIMELINE OF HISTORY, I KNOW WE HAVE ACTIONABLE TIMELINE IN OUR PACKET , BUT WHEN WAS THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS AREA STUDIED AND THEN ADOPTED FOR THIS

DESIGNATION? >> ALL RIGHT. SO, THE MIRACLE ROAD NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE WAS APPROVED ON FEBRUARY 18TH WITH A RESULT OF ZONING CHANGES IN THE AREA. COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE WOODWARD OAKS PDD WAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, AND THE MIRACLE ROAD PDD IN JANUARY 17TH. STAFF ARE COMMITTED THE LAND-USE IN THE ENTIRE AREA IN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THAT WORLD IT LAND-USE DESIGNATION IS IN NORTH DONAHUE FARMVILLE, AND THE RETICENCE TO MEDIUM INTENSITY TO PROVIDE A WIDER WAY OF POSSIBILITIES OF COMMERCIAL USE TO SERVE THE SURROUNDING, LOAD,

AND RESIDENTIAL AREA. >> SO, 2018. FEBRUARY, 2018 THAT WAS DONE. IT WAS IN A BRIEF SUMMARY TO THE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH APPROVED TO THE SOUTH OF THIS, AND THERE PRESERVE HAD COME ALONG IN ABOUT THE 2005 OR 2006 RANGE. AND THERE WERE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS APPROVED IN THE AREA, SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS AND CONTINUING EXPANSIONS. THAT IS WHY THE LAND-USE WAS CHANGED IN 2018. AND RURAL CROSSROADS DID ALLOW COMMERCIAL AT THE TIME ,

BUT NOT TO THE SAME LEVEL. >> MEDIUM INTENSITY MIXED-USE DESIGNATION , ARE THERE ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THAT

DESIGNATION AND CDD? >> I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS -- THERE ARE SOME LAND USES ALLOWED WITH CDD THAT WOULD EXCEED THAT, YES. BUT, LIKE I SAID, THAT IS WHERE THE PDD COMES IN. BUT ON THE MOST PART, I THINK CDD IS A GOOD MATCH. YOU CAN ACHIEVE THE MIXED USED INTENSITY WITH CDD.

>> AS FAR AS THE SAME TYPE OF OR THE SAME TYPE OF LEVEL OF DENSITY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE RIGHT TERM , DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT? DOES THAT ALSO ALIGN WITH WHAT THE PROPOSED --

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>> YOU MEAN, FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDPOINT, FLOOR AREA RATIO, IMPERVIOUS RATIO, THINGS THAT WE DRIVE WOULD BE THE SAME?

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THIS IS A HOLDOVER FROM NOT 1984 IN OUR PERFORMANCE ZONING WHERE THE THEORY WAS A WIDER RANGE OF USES COULD COEXIST AS A BUFFER OF FUNCTIONING. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF ANYONE. THAT IS THE PHILOSOPHY THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN 1984 THAT WE STILL LIVE WITH TODAY. SO, CDD OFFERS EVERYTHING FROM LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.

HOWEVER, THAT THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY, AND EVERY USE CONDITIONAL, THERE ARE NO USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

THAT IS WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CDD'S BASED ZONE WITH THE PDD OVERLAY, CDD WITHOUT A PDD OVERLAY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING STAFF. THE PDD IS WHAT DOES IT, BECAUSE EVERY USE IS CONDITIONAL.

>> OKAY. AND I KNOW I WILL HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS PROBABLY AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING , BUT DO WE ALSO -- CAN YOU TELL ME , AGAIN, FROM A HISTORICAL TIMELINE , WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DONAHUE

ROAD RAGE WAS DEVELOPED? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. WE MIGHT NEED TO COME BACK AND ANSWER THAT IN A MINUTE. BECAUSE A DEVELOPER WILL SUBDIVIDE THINGS, BUT THEY NEED TO PUT INFO STRUCTURE THING AND PUT OTHER THINGS IN. AND FOR US TO PULL DEVELOPMENT, DEEMING THE INFRASTRUCTURE? STEAMING THE FIRST HOUSE OF THE GET OF OCCUPANCY? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA ON THE FILE. WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN THE FOR SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED, BUT WE CAN COME BACK AND ANSWER THAT FOR YOU IN

A BIT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I WILL HAVE MORE LATER. I AM

GOOD. >> OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT BEFORE WE START?

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT CONDITIONAL USE MEANS?

>> I WILL HAVE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR, HE WAS TO ASK WHEN WHAT CONDITIONAL USE MEANS. HERE HE GOES.

>> CONDITIONAL USE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF , PROVIDED WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS. SO, IT IS PRETTY INTUITIVE. THOSE CONDITIONS MIGHT JUST BE DIFFERENT IF A STRUCTURE, DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS, JUST KIND OF A PROXIMITY. ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT OFTEN TIMES , I THINK SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC MIGHT GET LOST . THEY THINK THEY CAN JUST APPLY ANY CONDITION TO SOMETHING. BUT IT HAS TO REMAIN TO THE PROJECT , AND IT HAS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY AND ENHANCING OTHER PROTECTIONS FOR THE SURROUNDING USES OR THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THAT USE. LIKE I SAID, IT IS A USE THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, PROVIDED CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET SPECIFIC TO THE PRODUCT LINE. THERE MAY BE UTILITIES, ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATIONS, ET

CETERA. >> WHAT IF WE DO NOT AGREE WITH

IT? >> IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT, YOU CAN PUT FORTH CONDITIONS, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON BY THE BODY. THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT ACCOMPANY SOME OF THE RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT. SO, I THINK THE REPORT CONDITIONS OR TWO OF THE RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT EXTEND CERTAIN USES THAT THEY DID NOT WANT AT ALL. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THEY COULD PUT ON FOR THINGS TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT IN THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR , THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED. SOMETIMES, YOU WILL SEE WHERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS TIED TO THE AGREEMENT.

THE CONDITIONS CAN BE A VARIETY OF THINGS. THEY REMAIN TO THE PROJECT AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT DOES NOT BECOME A NUISANCE.

>> HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE, STYLE TO MITIGATE CHALLENGES THAT MAY BE CAUSED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD, CHIEF?

>> YES, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. ON A REZONING REQUEST , YOU CANNOT PUT CONDITIONS ON THE ZONING.

>> I WILL CLARIFY REAL QUICK. ON THE BASIS ZONE OF A CDD ZONE, YOU MAY NOT, HOWEVER , ON A PLANNING DEVELOP DISTRICT, THAT IS DIFFERENT. THAT IS AN OVERLAY. AND IF IT REMAINS TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SOME OTHER THINGS, THERE ARE SOME NUANCES THAT ALLOW THAT, BUT ON THE BASIS ZONE, IT IS

VOTED UP OR DOWN. >> IN THIS ITEM IS CERTAINLY

ABOUT THE BASIS ZONE. >> IT IS.

>> YES SIR, MR. GRISWOLD? >> THAT BASE ZONING, CAN IT BE APPROVED CONTINGENT ON THE PDD BEING LATER APPROVED?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. IT HAS GOT TO BE VOTED UP OR DOWN. THAT IS WHY THE PLANNING STAFF MADE A BACK RECOMMENDATION. WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION AS LONG AS WE ARE CONSIDERING THE OVERLAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> BEFORE YOU MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. WE WELCOME YOU TO BE HERE. YOU WILL HAVE

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TONIGHT IS NOT THE TIME FOR THAT. I KNOW THIS IS EMOTIONAL FOR MANY OF YOU IN THE ROOM. I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE DECISION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEFORE THEM THIS EVENING, BUT THIS IS NOT A TIME TO BE ROWDY AND TO CLAP AND TO YELL. THIS IS ALSO NOT A TIME FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANYONE, ESPECIALLY THE DEVELOPER. THIS IS NOT A TIME TO DISCUSS THE DEVELOPERS OTHER PROPERTIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. NOR IS IT THE TIME TO DISCUSS THE BILLBOARDS THAT HAVE BROUGHT SO MUCH CONTROVERSY TO OUR COMMUNITY. WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEFORE THEM TONIGHT IS A DECISION UPON REZONING THIS PROPERTY FROM RURAL TO CDD. THE END. SO, I ASK THAT YOU CONDUCT YOURSELF WITH CLASS AND DIGNITY AS YOU COME FORWARD. WE WANT TO HEAR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO US , BUT PLEASE KEEP IT IN THE GUARD RAILS. OKAY? SET THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. >> I WAS GOING TO PRESENT THE PROJECT. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES.

>> YOU HAVE TO EXTEND IT TO ANYBODY IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO

EXTEND MORE THAN FIVE. >> WE HAVE TO ALLOW EVERYONE

ELSE MORE THAN FIVE. >> WHAT YOU CAN DO IS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, WHENEVER THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO SPEAK, EITHER THE BEGINNING OR THE END, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BEYOND THAT, YOU CAN ASK THEM WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND BRING MR.

HALEY BACK UP. >> I RECOMMEND YOU WAIT UNTIL THE END, MR. HALEY. OKAY. WHO WILL BE FIRST? SURE!

>> DO WE TALK ABOUT JUST THE CDD? BECAUSE I AM TALKING ABOUT

THE PLAN. >> MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE DECIDED IT IS VERY CHALLENGING FOR THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TO KEEP IT TO EACH AGENDA ITEM. EVERYBODY IS WELCOME TO FIVE MINUTES PER AGENDA ITEM. I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE IF THAT IS EASIER FOR YOU INSTEAD OF TRYING

TO SAVE ANYTHING. >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING AND

CLEARING THAT UP. >> MY NAME IS JEAN ELKINS . MY HOUSE IS LOCATED RIGHT BEHIND THE PLANNED LOADING DOCK . I HAVE WORKED AS AN ENGINEER IN THE TELECOM INDUSTRY FOR ABOUT THE LAST 26 YEARS DESIGNING THOSE LARGE OFF-WHITE BOXES YOU SEE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE CORNER OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND INTERSECTIONS. PEOPLE TEND TO HATE THESE NEW THEIR HOMES, BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE LOUD AND UGLY. OF MY JOB IS TO MAKE THEM AS QUIET AND UNOBTRUSIVE AS POSSIBLE. AN INTERESTING PROPERTY OF SOUNDWAVES IS THAT THEY WILL PASS THROUGH ANY BARRIER THAT IS THINNER THAN A QUARTER OF ITS WAVELENGTH. SO, A LOW-FREQUENCY WAVE HAS A VERY LONG WAVELENGTH. IT'S MEASURED IN 10 TO 15 FEET. EVEN LOW TROUBLE RANGE NOISES MEASURE IN FEET AND NOT INCHES. OUR HOUSE WALLS ARE ABOUT FIVE TO SIX INCHES THICK, AND DO LITTLE TO BLOCK THESE SOUNDS. THIS IS WHY WE HEAR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD 16-YEAR-OLD KID SUBWOOFERS DRIVE BY THE HOUSE, OR THE RUMBLE OF THE ENGINE IS A DIESEL ENGINE DRIVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, WE WANT TO PLACE A LOADING DOCK AND REFRIGERATION RACK JUST 30 FEET OFF THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY LINE? THERE IS A SOUND POWER LEVEL NEEDED FOR PEOPLE TO PERCEIVE A CHANGE IN SOUND LEVEL . I CAN SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS BUYING ACOUSTIC INSTALLATION ON A TELECOM CABINET TO DROP THE NOISE LEVELS JUST A COUPLE OF DECIBELS, BUT THE OTHER WAY WE CAN ENJOY OH NOISY SPACE. YOU DOUBLE YOUR DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE NOISE GENERATING OBJECTS , YOU HAVE DROPPED THE SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL BY SIX DECIBELS. SPACE BY WAY OF THE BUFFER YARD WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT TOOL FOR US TO ENSURE THE PRIVACY AND TRANQUILITY OF THE ABUTTING HOMEOWNERS. I DECIDED TO MY DUE DILIGENCE TO LOOK AT OTHER CLOSELY DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO KIND OF GET AN UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. I USED THE COUNTY GIS PAGE, WHICH OFFERS A HANDY TOOL WITH A SATELLITE OVERLAY YOU CAN MEASURE DISTANCES. WHAT I FOUND IS THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS UNPRECEDENTED AND SCALED IN PROXIMITY, BEING BUILT DIRECTLY ABUTTING 15 FAMILY HOMES. THERE ARE SOME VERY RARE EXAMPLES OF SMALL TO MINIMAL BUFFER IN THE CITY , BUT THESE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS WERE ALWAYS DONE WELL AFTER THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WAS ESTABLISHED. LET'S TALK

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THE EXAMPLES I HAVE SHOWN HAVE BEEN THE MOST INTRUSIVE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY, AND HAVE THE BUFFER AND SETBACK TWO TO FOUR TIMES GREATER THAN THIS PROPOSAL. SECTION 102.11 IN THE CITY ORDINANCE STATES THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS THE PROMOTION OF HEALTH, SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PRESENT AND FUTURE INHABITANTS OF AUBURN BY PROTECTING LANDOWNERS BY ADVERSE IMPACTS OF ADJOINING DEVELOPMENTS. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE HIGH IMPACT ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND MUST BE REJECTING AS IS. DO WE NEED 400 PARKING SPACES IN SUCH A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING AREA? THE PUBLIC'S ON GAELIC STREET IS SITTING ON A PAD OF ASPHALT 330 FEET FROM FRONT TO BACK. GLENN DALE SHOPPING CENTER, 71,000 SQUARE FEET, IS 370 FEET FROM ROAD TO PROPERTY LINE. 470 FEET TO WORK WITH, EITHER OF THOSE OPPONENTS COULD BE PLACED BEHIND MY HOUSE, AND I HAVE MORE THAN 100 FEET OF BUFFER. LET'S GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT COMES TO WORK WITH BOTH THE EXISTING FAMILIES IN THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? >> HI, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS ANDY WILSON. I LIVE AT 2242 NORTH DONAHUE. WHICH IS THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF FARMVILLE IN NORTH DONAHUE. SO, WE LIVE IN THE HIGHLANDS OF NORTH DONAHUE.

IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN BY THAT INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW THE HIGHLANDS SUBDIVISION IS WELL-MAINTAINED. IT'S VERY NICE, QUIET, AND AN ATTRACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR BASIC LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE IS APPLIED THROUGH OUR AGE AWAY , SO OUR YARDS ARE ALWAYS CONSISTENTLY NICE. IT IS A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE TALKED WITH MY NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY, AND THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS CORNER. I HAVE PERSONALLY STATED ALL ALONG THAT BASED ON THE 2030 AND 2040 PLANS THAT THIS IS SLATED FOR SOME FORM OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL , SO I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH. SO, DEVELOPMENT ON THIS CORNER IS INEVITABLE. WE GET THAT. I ACCEPTED THAT, AND WHILE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS DON'T NECESSARILY ACCEPT THAT, WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO GIVEN THAT , WE SHARE THE FINAL CONCERN, WHICH IS AESTHETICS.

AND I SHARED THE CONCERN ABOUT BUFFERING AS WELL. SO, WHAT WE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT WE WILL BE STUCK WITH A BUNCH OF PLAIN BRICK, FLAT ROOF BUILDINGS WITH NO APPEAL. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING, AND KEEPING THIS BEAUTIFUL COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS CORNER HAS A NEIGHBORHOOD FIELD, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO GET CRUSHED BY UGLY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, I DON'T THINK IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO THE CONQUISTADOR RESTAURANT, IT'S A FANTASTIC FATE LACED WITH FANTASTIC FOOD FOOD. BUT THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD EVER STOP THERE. I WOULD NEVER EAT THERE.

SOMEBODY GAVE ME A RECOMMENDATION AND THEY WENT THERE. IT IS AN UGLY BUILDING WITH GREAT FOOD. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT ON OUR CORNER. SO, WHY DID I COME APPEAR? I CAME

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>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? YES, SIR?

>> I AM JIM GREEN. I LIVE AT 1680 NORTH CAMDEN COURT. I LIVE IN THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT IS FACING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE STRIP MALL. MY FIRST FEELING IS IF WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION OF PRECEDENTS , THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE AS FAR AS AUBURN IS CONSERVED , WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT EVEN BE DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE. BECAUSE THE PRECEDENT FOR THIS IS THAT THERE IS NO STRIPMALL WHEN THERE ARE FOUR HOUSING UNITS ALL SURROUNDING THE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING SITE. NOR IS THERE ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD DEVELOP A STRIPMALL ON A SINGLE ROAD. THIS PRECEDENT HAS BEEN HERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS. AND I HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN DOWN HERE. IF WE LOOK AT THE STRIP MALLS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, THEY ARE ALL ON MAJOR ROADS .

THEY ARE NOT SURROUNDED BY HOUSING. SO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ON A SINGLE ROAD, IT IS ON A RURAL ROAD , AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT ON ALL FOUR SIDES .

SO, IF WE WENT BY PRECEDENT, YOU WOULD IMMEDIATELY SAY WELL, OF COURSE YOU CAN'T DEVELOP A STRIPMALL ON A SINGLE RURAL ROAD , AND THERE IS NO STRIPMALL IS IN THE CITY ON A SINGLE ROAD IN A RURAL AREA THAT IS TOTALLY SURROUNDED BY HOMEOWNERS. OKAY.

SO, WE CAN EASILY MAKE A DECISION, YOU JUST DON'T DO THAT HERE. IT IS NOT EQUIPPED. IT IS NOT MADE FOR A STRIPMALL.

IT WOULD BE A GREAT PARK , WONDERFUL RIGHT THERE WITH ALL OF THOSE FAMILIES. SECOND IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO CALL BASICALLY AND IRONY . THE THOUSAND HOMES IN THAT AREA ARE VERY NICE HOMES. THEY RUN BETWEEN 300,000 AND $400,000.00 EACH. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN JUST THE 6000 WE HAVE IN OUR CUL-DE-SAC WOULD BE OVER $2,000,000.00. AND YOU START TAKING ALL OF THAT. THE THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THAT AREA PUT TOGETHER THEIR HOUSING , AND IT IS PHENOMENAL THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE HAD TO STRUGGLE WITH, AND ALL OF US AS WE HAVE PAID OUR DUES YEAR AFTER YEAR, MONTH AFTER MONTH TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A HOME LIKE THIS , AND NOW TO HAVE IT POTENTIALLY THREATENED . IT IS AN IRONY. WE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS. WE HAVE PHENOMENAL RISK WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE POURED INTO THAT COMMUNITY AND OUR HOMES. AND WE CAN'T VOTE? NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY MONEY. THE DEVELOPER HAS SOME. BUT NOBODY ELSE. WE DO, AND WE CAN'T VOTE. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS BE ABLE TO COME AND SAY PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT PUT A STRIPMALL ON A SINGLE

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HOUSING UNIT -- >> MR. GREEN, YOUR TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU. >> THAT IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK

LIKE. >> THANK YOU, MR. GREEN. YOUR

TIME IS UP. >> BOY, HOW TIME WENT.

>> WHO WILL BE NEXT? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KEN ARTHUR. I LIVE AT 1783 KEYSTONE DRIVE. THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 13TH, I SENT AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY ON THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SEEN IT OR MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE CARED, BUT THANK YOU TO COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN FOR RESPONDING, AND MAYOR FOR RECEIVING THE MESSAGE. I WILL SUMMARIZE JUST A FEW ITEMS FROM THAT MESSAGE , BECAUSE I REALLY PUT A CONSCIENTIOUS EFFORT INTO DESCRIBING THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY, AND THOSE OF MY FRIENDS. AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STATEMENT MADE TODAY, WHICH WAS HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENCE. THAT EMAIL HAD PROVIDED CASE STUDIES, PROVIDED DETAILS ABOUT A LOT OF THE CONFLICTS WITH HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT HAS. BUT I DO WANT TO GO TO ONE POINT, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR LOOKING DOWN ON THIS A LOT. BUT THE OTHER BASIC CONCERN IS WITH THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD NODE COMMERCIALIZATION CONCEPT. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY FACETS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT MEET THE SPIRIT OF THAT NODE. THE NODES PRIORITIZE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

THIS IS NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY IF WE WILL HAVE A FINE LANE ROAD FEEDING INTO A FOUR LANE ROAD AT DONAHUE AND FARMVILLE. RIGHT? HAVE TWO RIGHT LANES GOING OFF TO THE RIGHT. WE HEARD THAT IN A MEETING WITH COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN. WE KNOW THAT THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED , BUT THAT IS THE BASIC PLAN. SO, IT IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD NODE. THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE A LIQUOR STORE THERE. WE HAVE POTENTIAL FOR BARS , DINING RESTAURANTS , ALL OF THOSE THINGS I CAN CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THAT IS OUR INTENTION, BUT THAT CAN BE THE WAY THAT THE PATH GOES.

THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NODE , WHICH TO BUILD SOMETHING NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY, SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD USE NOT TO DRAW IN FROM OUTSIDE OF THE AREA AS AN ATTRACTION. YOU HAVE TO BALANCE YOUR USES. OTHERWISE, THIS IS A HIGH-TRAFFIC RETAIL COMPLEX. THAT IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD NODE. IN MY MIND, IN MY OPINION , THIS FAILS TO MEET ALL OF THE ATTRIBUTES FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD NODE. I WOULD MAKE ONE REQUEST . IT'S MY LAST REQUEST IN MY EMAIL , NOTWITHSTANDING THE ADMONISHMENTS BY MAYOR ANDERS. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF THE COUNCIL DOES APPROVE THIS , THAT CONTINGENCIES BE PLACED, THAT

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YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT?

>> HELLO, HOW IS EVERYBODY? >> DOING FINE.

>> MY NAME IS RICH PRESCOTT. I LIVE AT 66 KEYSTONE DRIVE. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE YOUNG MAN TALKING ABOUT THE SOUND. I ACTUALLY LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MY WIFE AND I LIVED HERE 2 1/2 YEARS AGO. WE MOVED FROM GEORGIA , A LITTLE NORTHERN SUBURB FROM ATLANTA, AND WE LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS SITUATION. WE MOVED IN , THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS ALREADY THERE , WE MOVED INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD ABOUT 200 HOMES , AND RIGHT ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE , THERE WAS A SHOPPING CENTER. THE SHOPPING CENTER CONTAINED A GROCERY STORE , SEVERAL RESTAURANTS WITHIN THE STRIPMALL , IT CONTAINED A DRY CLEANERS , AND SEVERAL OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES AROUND IT , AS WELL AS A SONIC DRIVE-IN AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT, AND A BANK BUILDING AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT. SO, WHERE WE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HOUSES THAT BORDERED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOW, I AM NOT AFFECTED BY THIS IN THIS MANNER. BUT I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THAT ARE AROUND THERE . WHAT WE SAW AND WHAT WE HEARD AND WHAT WE SMELLED WAS HORRIBLE. THE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE BEHIND THESE BUSINESSES HAVE TO BE EMPTIED, AND YOU HAVE TRUCKS COMING IN AT ALL HOURS TO EMPTY THESE DUMPSTERS. THE TRUCK IS LOUD ENOUGH AS IT IS. THE BUFFER THAT WE HAD WAS ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 100 FEET , AND IT WAS HEAVILY WOODED. YOU CANNOT EVEN WALK THROUGH IT IT WAS SO WOODED. SO, THE DUMB TRUCKS WOULD COME THROUGH AND EMPTY IT, AS SOON AS THEY LET THE DUMPSTER DOWN , IT SOUNDED LIKE A FIVE CAR WRECK WAS HAPPENING RIGHT IN YOUR FRONT YARD. ON TOP OF THAT , THE SMELL FROM THE DUMPSTERS WORSE HORRIBLE. THE DRAINAGE THAT CAME FROM THE RESTROOMS WAS HORRIBLE.

WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN , THE LADY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE STREET FROM US HAD BACKED UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SHE FIRST INTRODUCED HERSELF AND THEN SAID IT SHUT YOUR GARAGE DOOR SHUT TO KEEP THE RATS OUT FROM THE DUMPSTERS ACROSS THE STREET. YOU WOULD WALK OUT IN YOUR FRONT YARD , AND YOU LOOK OVER IN THE TREES AND EXPECT TO SEE STARS. ALL YOU SAW WAS LIGHTS FROM THE PARKING LOT. WE WALKED DOWN THE STREET TO TAKE OUR DOG FOR A WALK , AND YOU COULD HEAR THE ORDERS COMING FROM THE SONIC DRIVE-IN. THE FRONT YARDS OF THESE HOUSES, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS LIKE. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR THE BACKYARD. I REMEMBER , LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS HEAVILY WOODED.

WE ARE TALKING 52 A 100 FOOT BUFFER. WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A 30 FOOT BUFFER HERE. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH! ANOTHER THING TO WORRY ABOUT WITH THESE YOUNGSTERS IS ATTRACTING WILDLIFE. RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE ON THE EDGE OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF WOODED AREA. THESE DUMPSTERS AND ALL OF THE TRASH THAT WILL BE BEHIND HERE IS GOING TO ATTRACT COYOTES, FOXES, BOBCATS, YOU NAME IT. THEY WILL BE IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET INTO THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. THAT GOT WORSE AND WORSE OVER THE YEARS AS MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WAS STARTING TO BE BUILT THERE. THAT IS ANOTHER WHOLE STORY. I AM JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER , PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? YES, SIR?

>> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING.

>> MY NAME IS ROBERT. I LIVE AT 334 FALLS CREST DRIVE, AND I AM THE OWNER OF -- MARKET. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR

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>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? >> HELLO. MY NAME IS NAOMI , AND THIS IS ARLO. WE ARE NOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED . WE LIVE IN THE PRESERVE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE ARE QUITE SEPARATED FROM THE ACTUAL LOCATION. SO, MY CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH TRAFFIC. I AM SURE YOU WILL ALL RECALL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION THAT OCCURRED BOTH ON THE BRIDGE ACROSS FARMVILLE ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF COLLEGE AND 280 , AND AT COLLEGE AND FARMVILLE , AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY OUR HALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD , WAS VERY ISOLATED FROM THE CITY OF AUBURN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THAT WAS A CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE ISSUE , AND JURISDICTIONAL PROBLEMS THERE , BUT MY CONCERN WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION IS THAT WE ARE -- ONE MOMENT, WE ARE PLANNING TO EXPAND WITH DONAHUE AND FARMVILLE ROAD, AND TO HAVE CONCERT GOING ON AT THE INTERSECTION AT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY WILL BE A BIG BURDEN FOR THOSE OF US WHO DO LIVE NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION AS WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO AUBURN . DURING THE PREVIOUS CONSTRUCTION THAT I MENTIONED, IT TOOK US OVER 15 MINUTES TO GET INTO AUBURN, AND THERE WERE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT EMERGENCY VEHICLES BEING ABLE TO REACH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN A TIMELY MANNER, SO THAT IS SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION , AS WELL AS THIS IS THE YOUNGEST OF MY THREE CHILDREN, AND A CONCERN I DO HAVE IS THAT THE PROPERTY DOES ABOUT TO THE WOODLAND PINES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT CAN BE PUT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING I AM PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING ADDRESSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY? WANT TO SAY HI?

>> HI. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. WELL, WE ARE CERTAINLY PROUD TO HAVE A FIRE STATION. FIRE STATION SIX IS RIGHT ON THE STREET FROM YOUR HOME. HOPEFULLY THAT HAS HELPED BRING MORE SECURITY TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL RIGHT. WHO WILL BE NEXT? YES, SIR?

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS NATHAN NELSON. I LIVE AT 1751 OVER HILL COURT JUST AROUND THE CORNER POST REZONING DISTRICT. EVERY DAY AS I DRIVE TO WORK OR TO DROP OFF MY WIFE AT SCHOOL, I HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THE INTERSECTION IN QUESTION, SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A VERY PERSONAL ISSUE FOR ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT REZONING THIS AREA WOULD CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN BENEFITS FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE TRAFFIC ON DONAHUE IS ALREADY CONGESTED , AND ADDING MORE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ONLY MAKE IT WORSE. I KNOW THAT THERE IS ALREADY A PLANNED WEDDING UP THE ROAD, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS WISE TO INCREASE TRAFFIC IN THE

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>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? YES, SIR?

>> GOOD EVENING. I NAME IS SETH HUMPHREY. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE CALLED 1673 STONE POINT DRIVE OUR HOME FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW. THAT IS THE LAST STREET ON THE LEFT AS YOU ARE APPROACHING THIS INTERSECTION, AND MY HOUSE IS THE SECOND HOUSE ON THE LEFT.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIALLY MY FRONT YARD . WHAT I WOULD SEE EVERY DAY AS I STEPPED OUT . I BROUGHT MY DAUGHTER HERE TONIGHT. I WANTED HER TO SEE THE CIVIL GOVERNMENT INACTION, AND I APPRECIATE THE PROCESS. I LOVE AMERICA, AND I LOVE WHEN THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY GIVES THE LITTLE GUY THE PROTECTION FROM THE RICH AND THE POWERFUL. WHERE EVERY VOICE CAN BE HEARD. MY VOICE CAN BE HEARD. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. WHETHER IT IS MY VOICE OR MY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES. AND THAT IS REALLY WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT JUST BRIEFLY . FROM THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO OUR CITY COUNCIL , LOCAL COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES, IT IS A WONDERFUL AND BEAUTIFUL THING WHEN EVERYONE DOES THEIR PART. I COULD STAND HERE AND TALK ALL NIGHT ABOUT I DON'T WANT THE LIGHT POLLUTION, THE SMELLS, THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, THE CRIME THAT WILL , IF IT GOES THROUGH, WILL BE DELIVERED TO MY FRONT DOOR. ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT I WON'T DWELL ON THAT. TONIGHT, I JUST IMPLORE YOU TO DO YOUR PART , THAT CRITICAL PIECE OF GOVERNANCE TO REPRESENT THE COLLECTIVE VOICES THAT YOU HERE TONIGHT. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE IN FAVOR OF THIS CONSTRUCTION AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE OPPOSED TO IT? THESE ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS. I JUST ASK YOU TO REMEMBER TO REPRESENT TO THEM, REPRESENT TO ME. VOTE AS THEY WOULD VOTE, AS WE WOULD VOTE . THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S OKAY.

>> I AM A RETIRED SCHOOLTEACHER. MY HOME, I PLAN ON LIVING THERE UNTIL I DIE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. IT IS WHAT I PAID FOR. I CAN'T MOVE. IT IS PAID FOR. I AM OLD. I DON'T WANT TO MOVE. I DON'T WANT THIS IN MY BACKYARD, AND I DON'T SEE WHY IT HAS TO BE IN MY BACKYARD. AS SOON AS I WALK IN MY FRONT YARD, I WILL SEE THIS, I WILL SMELL IT, I WILL HEAR IT. I AM THE SECOND HOUSE. SO, I WILL SEE IT. I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT IN MY YARD. THIS IS AUBURN. THE LOVELIEST VILLAGE ON THE PLANS. THIS SHOULD NOT BECOME THE UGLIEST VILLAGE ON THE PLANES. IF HE WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING, WHY DOESN'T HE BUILD

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FOR YOUR TIME. >> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. WHO

WILL BE NEXT? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MADELINE. MY HUSBAND, NATHAN NELSON, GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK. I LIVE AT THE ADDRESS 1751 OVER HILL COURT IN THE HIGHLANDS NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION. I AM A STUDENT AT AUBURN, I AM A THERAPIST IN THE COMMUNITY, AND A PLAN TO STAY IN AUBURN FOR A LONG TIME. REZONING THIS AREA, JUST LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID, WITH GREAT A LOT MORE PROBLEMS THAN BENEFITS TO OUR COMMITTEE. WE HAVE LIVED AT THAT HOUSE FOR TWO YEARS. THE FIRST HOME WE HAVE EVER OWNED READ ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS WE CHOSE THAT AREA WAS THE ATHLETICS. IT WAS QUIET, SO I ALSO SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUFFERING PROBLEMS , ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS HAPPENING ON DONAHUE AND CHUCK JORDAN ALREADY IMPACTS MY WAY TO AUBURN UNIVERSITY , AND THEN HAVING IT CLOSER TO OUR HOME, OPENING THOSE LANES , I DON'T EVEN WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG THAT IS GOING TO TAKE, HOW MUCH NOISE I WILL ADD TO THE COMMUNITY . I WANT ALL OF OUR HOME PRICES, AND I KNOW WE HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR NEIGHBORS, TO INCREASE, AND THERE IS A REAL WORRY THAT THESE HOME PRICES, ESPECIALLY THOSE VERY CLOSE TO THESE BUSINESSES, ARE GOING TO DECREASE BECAUSE OF THE REZONING . AGAIN, LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID, THEY DO NOT PROMISE HIGH-QUALITY JOB OPPORTUNITIES. I SECOND WHY CAN'T THESE BE TOWNHOUSES? WE LOVE THE TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE NEAR US, WE LET OUR VET CLINIC. THAT IS WHERE WE TAKE OUR ANIMALS. IT'S A VERY ATHLETIC LITTLE CLINIC RIGHT THERE. WHY CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THERE THAN THE COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT WILL COME IN. AND THEN I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO RAISE MY CHILDREN HERE. I DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN YET. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL AUBURN HOME. WE COME FROM OUT OF STATE , BUT IT IS A PLACE THAT WE HAVE ALL FALLEN IN LOVE WITH. ME AND MY HUSBAND HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH IT. THERE ARE TWO IMAGERY SCHOOL ZONES THAT WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS COMMERCIAL LOT . I DON'T WANT ANY CHILDREN THAT I MIGHT HAVE GOING TO THOSE SCHOOLS IF THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AROUND THERE BECAUSE OF THE COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT WILL BE THERE. I ALSO SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SMELLS. LIKE I SAID, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, EVEN WITH THE WIDENING OF THE LANES, AND ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS AND PLEASE REJECT THE

REZONING. >> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT?

>> GOOD EVENING, SIR. MY NAME IS BETSY AND NORIS. MY WIFE AND I , WE HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2000 , AND BEFORE WE BUILT THAT HOUSE , WE DISCUSSED THE FUTURE FOR OUR PROPERTY THERE , AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THEY COULD SELL TELL, IT WOULD JUST BE A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO FAR, WE HAVE BEEN REAL HAPPY LIVING THERE. HE HAD TALKED WITH US ABOUT , OVER THE YEARS, HOW IT WOULD PROBABLY PROGRESS AND BUILD AND WOULD BE LIKE , AND I AM GLAD TO SEE IT.

I WANT TO SEE IT STAY LIKE THAT. AND I PRAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME OF YOU ALL LIVE AND VALUE WHAT WE HAVE , I WANT THE SAME THING. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU ALL REALLY WOULD CONSIDER WHAT

IS AT HAND. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? ANYONE ELSE FROM OUR AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY.

DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO TALK AT

THIS TIME? >> DO WE WANT TO CLOSE THE

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>> IF YOU WILL KEEP IT TO FIVE MINUTES, YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN . IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I SUGGEST YOU GIVE MR. HALEY A FULL FIVE MINUTES, AND IF ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVES WANT TO SPEAK, THEY HAVE FIVE MINUTES AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. >>

>> WHY DON'T WE JUST GET THROUGH FIVE MINUTES AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE AND GO FROM THERE. HOW ABOUT THAT?

>> HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. JUSTICE DOESN'T CONTROL THAT, TOM. I AM SORRY. NO, I AM NOT CONTROLLING IT EITHER. OUR I.T.

DIRECTOR CREATES THE ZONING MAP. NO CROSSHATCHING. JUST ALL

COLORS. THERE WE GO. >> IT WILL TAKE ME A SECOND TO

GET THE TIMER UP. >> HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. ARE

YOU READY?! HEAD, MAYOR. >> AND I NAME IS TOM HALEY. I AM THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THE STAFF'S TIME . FEEL FREE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS. SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE NEW. I HAVE ABOUT 30 YEARS OF HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 45 YEARS, BUILT 60 ROADS IN AUBURN, AND HAVE 16 YEARS OF GOING TO PLANT COMMISSION MEETINGS WITHOUT MISSING ONE, FOLLOWED BY CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. I STILL LEARN . I RECRUITED A LOT OF BUSINESS HERE , AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNED HAS BEEN INVALUABLE THROUGH ZONING.

MOST OF OUR TEAM IS HERE TONIGHT . IT'S AS GOOD AS THEY GET. HE HAS WORKED IN OTHER STATES , AND HAS DEVELOPED FOUR STORES IN FIVE STATES. HE STILL OWNS MOST OF THOSE. TODAY, I MET WITH AN ARCHITECT THAT LIVES IN THE HIGHLANDS -- WE WILL BRING THEM BOTH INTO TALK ABOUT AT STATIC POINTS OF VIEW. GO AHEAD. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REGION. 55 YEARS AGO, THE FIRST PORTION OF OUR EXISTING PERIMETER WAS BUILT, JORDAN PARKWAY. SOUTH TO NORTH.

IT TOOK ABOUT 20 YEARS AFTER THAT SECTION WAS BUILT TO BE COMPLETE . WHEN WATSON CAME HERE, IT WAS A PRIORITY TO COMPLETE THE PERIMETER AND COMPLETE THAT TRAFFIC . SO NOW WE ARE AT THIS POINT NOW. COX ROAD SOUTH COLLEGE WILL BE THE POINT OF WHAT I CALL THE OUTER LOOP PERIMETER OF WHATEVER IS COMING. THE HEAVY LIFTING IS DONE THERE. COX ROAD PAST INTERCHANGE 50 AT I 55. THE NEXT POINT WILL BE NORTH DONAHUE. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ZONING MAP , YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE ONLY PIECE OF ZONING THERE IN THE CITY. INCIDENTALLY, IF YOU IMAGINE YOU WOULD GO OUT FOR A RADIOS OF TWO MILES, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. YOU HAVE TRAFFIC ALL AROUND AUBURN. IT IS A GREAT IDEA. THIS PLANNING STARTED 15 YEARS AGO , AND SOME OF IT IS COMPLETE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE VICINITY. LAKE COUNTY ROAD 82 AND LAKE COUNTY ROAD 72 WAS A DESIGNATION OF THESE TWO ROWS WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY. THAT IS WHY THEY HAD THAT DESIGNATION. SO RIGHT AFTER THAT, DAVID WATKINS BECAME CITY MANAGER, SHEILA EKMAN WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT AREA THAT BELIEVED IN NO ANNEXATION. THEY DID NOT WANT THIS PROPERTY IN THE CITY. WHEN THAT CHANGED, WE BROUGHT IN THE FIRST SECTION , DONAHUE RIDGE, AND THIS PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS CDD. THAT IS WHAT WE THOUGHT . 19 YEARS AGO , A

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WE BELIEVE IN THAT. MOST PEOPLE'S INVESTMENT , THE LARGEST THING IS HER HOME. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERS. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR 40 YEARS. SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TO MY OFFICE, ABOUT TWO A WEEK. THEY WERE NOT HERE TONIGHT. THEY WERE HERE EARLIER. WE FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. OKAY? THE 13 ACRE SECTION, 13.7 ACRE SECTION REMAINS IN THE COUNTY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS SITE.

THERE ARE FOUR THINGS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, THREE BEFORE THIS MEETING , ONE THIS AFTERNOON THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TRAFFIC, BUFFER, QUALITY , AND NOW, SIZE. WE HAVE GOT SOME ANSWERS FOR THAT. THIS SITE IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE UNIVERSITY CROSSING SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL STADIUM. I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS WILL COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER. IT HAS THE SAME

CONFIGURATION AND SAME SIZE. >> MR. HALEY, PLEASE?

>> AS THEY MAY ON THE ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL , YOU HAVE TO STOP AT THE FIVE MINUTES OR YOU HAVE TO INVITE EVERYBODY BACK UP TO

SPEAK THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. >> MR. MAYOR, I PROPOSE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING , AND THEN WE CAN CALL UP THE DEVELOPER TO FURTHER ADDRESS OR ANSWER QUESTIONS?

>> THE DEVELOPER MAY ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT NOT MAKE A PRESENTATION AKIN TO A PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME.

>> OKAY. >> WHAT WOULD COUNSEL LIKE TO DO? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL DO THAT , MISS TAYLOR. AT THIS TIME, WE

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING -- >> MAYOR, ARE THERE ANY OTHER APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES? YOU CAN GIVE IT TO ME AND WE WILL PASS IT ON DOWN. THERE ARE TWO OTHER REPRESENTATIVES HERE THAT ARE WELCOME TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE DEVELOPERS TEAM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? NO? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I AM NOT SEEING ANYONE COME FORWARD , SO I WILL RECLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING . ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL?

>> WE WILL INVITE THE DEVELOPER BACK UP. OKAY, YES SIR.

>> THANK YOU. A PROJECT LIKE THIS , I WILL TELL YOU, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. ANYWAYS, THANK YOU. QUICKLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY ACROSS FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER . THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO. IT IS STILL NOT FULLY DEVELOPED. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. WE HAVE AN OUT PARCEL NEXT TO MCALLISTER'S.

DURING THIS PROCESS , FIVE RESIDENTS STOOD UP AND COMPLAINED THAT OUTBACK WOULD BE SELLING ALCOHOL, AND WE LOST OUT BACK. I STILL REGRET THAT. WE HAVE STARTED RENOVATING THAT SHOPPING CENTER , AND IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THIS. YOU NEED TO KNOW FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, NO DRIVEWAYS WERE APPROVED. WE ARE NOT BUILDING ANY DRIVE THROUGH. SO, THAT INTENSITY GOES AWAY FOR THE TIME BEING AT LEAST. TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE A MAJOR CONCERN, ESPECIALLY FOR ME. I HAVE CALLED FOLKS AT THE CITY AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT PEAK HOURS AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THEY CUT THROUGH THAT GAS STATION AND CUT TO THE GAS PUMP SOMETIMES.

25,000 GALLONS OF FUEL HAVE BEEN STORED THERE. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED. SO I LOOK BACK INTO THE CITY'S WEBSITE , AND THAT IS THE FIRST PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE , IS A 2019 TRAFFIC STUDY THAT RECOGNIZES WHAT WILL HAPPEN. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD PLAN. I UNDERSTAND THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. WE WANT TO BE PART OF THAT. I AM SURE THAT WILL BE BUILT, OR MOST OF IT, BEFORE WE GET ANYTHING OPEN HERE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE AN

OPENING IN 2025. >> AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE

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>> THANK YOU. >> LET'S DO THE TRAFFIC BUFFER FIRST. THIS PROCESS, WE WERE INFORMED IN OUR MEETINGS WITH PLANNING STAFF THAT IT WOULD BE A 15 OR 20 FOOT BUFFER REQUIRED.

WE WENT TO 25 , AND THEY SAID NO, LET'S DOUBLE IT AND GO TO 30, BECAUSE THERE IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CANOPY .

>> THEY HAVE GOT AERIAL PHOTOS THAT WE CAN BRING UP.

>> THERE IS HERITAGE OAK TREES, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROOT SYSTEM WON'T GET DAMAGED. IT WILL GIVE YOU A VERTICAL BUFFER . THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU GUYS. QUALITY. A GROCERY IS WHAT WE ARE AFTER BUILDING. IT IS 30,000 SQUARE FEET. OUR MAP SHOWS THE POSSIBILITY, OUR SURVEY FOR A 60,000 FOOT CROZIER . OKAY? 4000 FOR THE SHOPS ON ONE SIDE , 6000 ON THE OTHER . IT WILL GIVE SOME OPEN SPACE WITH THAT 30 FOOT BUFFER. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF THESE THINGS . I DON'T KNOW A GROCERY STORE THAT DOES NOT HAVE HOUSING AROUND IT. KROGER? HAVE A SUBDIVISION BEHIND KROGER.

LOTS BEHIND HOUSES , BEHIND SOUTH COLLEGE , AND HICKORY WOODS BEHIND THE UNIVERSITY CROSSING. IT IS COMPATIBLE. YOUR ORDINANCE CONTROL THAT. YOUR ORDINANCE IS VERY, VERY STRICT AND VERY TECHNICAL. THERE IS FA OUR RATIOS THAT WILL HELP DESIGN THAT BUFFER. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE FIRST PHASE OF 40 OR 45,000 SQUARE FEET. YOUR ISR, AS YOU HAVE HEARD , WHICH WILL HELP CONTROL THAT SIZE , TODAY, I HAVE SOME PHONE CALLS LATE THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT SIZING DOWN. WE ARE AT 112,800 FEET RIGHT UNDER 14 ACRES. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RATIO , AS IT STANDS, AND WE WON'T EVER BUILD ALL OF THAT, THAT IS AND 8233 SQUARE FEET PER ACRE . THE TWO ACRE SHOPPING CENTER STARTS JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS . IT HAS GOT A RATIO OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET. 10,600 PER ACRE. SO, WE ARE BELOW THAT . YOU HAVE APPROVED OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS IN THAT AREA , ONE TO THE EAST AND ONE TO THE WEST .

WE WANT TO FIT IN AS WE CAN . THOSE WERE THE FOUR POINTS THAT I HAD THAT CAME UP THAT WERE CONCERNS.

>> THANK YOU. IF WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, WE WILL ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS.

COUNSEL? QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS? COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE GOT A QUESTION I WANT TO ASK , SIR WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY. HE MADE THE STATEMENT ABOUT NO DRIVE-THROUGH, AND THEN HE SAID FOR THE TIME BEING, WHAT DO YOU

MEAN ABOUT THAT? >> HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MAYOR. DO YOU WANT TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS OUT TO MR. HALEY NOW AS FAR AS YOU KNOW IT? OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS?

>> I AM NOT SURE WHAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO WANT TO SAY, SO JUST

TAKE THEM AS THEY COME. >> YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED THESE SMALLER SHOPPING CENTERS TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THESE. THEY WERE DISALLOWED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION . WE SAID THAT WAS FINE. WE CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT IT DOWN THE ROAD. THEY WILL NOT COME WITHOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH. WE HAVE A BANK. THESE ARE NOT SIGNS. SO WE CAN COME BACK AND ASK IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

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>> I WILL CLARIFY WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED ASKING HER QUESTIONS.

WE CAN CLARIFY IT FOR YOU IN JUST A SECOND, CONNIE. IF YOU

HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. HALEY? >>

>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU FIRST START IT OFF, YOU SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE NO DRIVE-THROUGH'S. TO ME,

THAT DOES NOT SOUND CONCRETE. >> YES, MAYOR, THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENED IS THE REQUEST WAS MADE FOR FAST FOOD WITH DRIVE-THROUGH AMONG OTHER USES. THE PLANNING COMMISSION , BASED ON THEIR PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT NIGHT, DID NOT RECOMMEND TO YOU FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH'S BE ALLOWED IN THIS LOCATION AT THIS TIME. MR. HALEY IS MERELY REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT IF YOU WERE TO PROCEED WITH THIS TONIGHT , HE COULD COME BACK AND ASK LATER, AGAIN, FOR FAST FOOD WITH DRIVE-THROUGH , BUT IT WOULD BE OVER WITH AT THIS JUNCTURE AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDED IT TO YOU. IN ESSENCE, FOR THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AND DRIVE-THROUGH'S TO RETURN, A COUNCILMEMBER WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADD THAT BACK IN, AND THAT COMES A CONDITIONAL USE , WHICH IS TWO AGENDA ITEMS FROM NOW. BUT THAT IS CORRECT, THEY ARE OUT OF THE PICTURE FOR RIGHT NOW UNLESS THE COUNCIL ADDS THEM BACK RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD IF MR. HALEY COMES BACK WITH A SEPARATE APPLICATION, ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED

TONIGHT. >> SO, JUST TO MAKE ME UNDERSTAND , LET'S SAY YOU BUILD A BANK, AND THE BANK DON'T HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH. HE COULD COME BACK AND ADD IT LATER AND AT A DRIVE-THROUGH TO THAT EXISTING BANK ?

>> WITH YOUR PERMISSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO HAS DRIVE-THROUGH'S ON THE BANKS. THAT IS ALSO NOT ALLOWED PER WHAT WAS FORWARDED TO YOU.

THE BANK AND BE THERE, BUT NO ONE WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH.

>> THERE CAN BE NO DRIVE-THROUGH'S UNLESS WE ALLOW

THEM. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> SO HOW WOULD THAT -- I GUESS I AM JUST REALLY CONFUSED ON

THAT. >> IT IS COMPLICATED.

>> BECAUSE THERE WOULD STILL BE ADDED SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THAT BUILDING. I THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.

>> SO, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF IS BASED ON THAT. THIS WOULD BE AN OUTDOOR SPACE. YOU ARE CORRECT, CONNIE.

WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL , UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES IN A LATER AGENDA ITEM, DRIVE-THROUGH'S WILL NOT BE ALLOWED HERE , ASSUMING YOU EVEN APPROVE THE CDD BASE ZONE THAT IS UNDER THE REQUEST RIGHT NOW.

BUT THAT IS OUT COMPLETELY UNLESS THIS BODY OR PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS ITS, AND YOU GUYS CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WISH, SO UNLESS THIS BODY OF THE BACK, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. AND NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING UNLESS YOU VOTE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT

EITHER. YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT. >> OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A

QUESTION OR COMMENT? >> I HAVE SEVERAL.

>> OKAY. PLEASE, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN?

>> BEAR WITH ME. I GUESS LET'S GET TRAFFIC OUT OF THE WAY. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE FOR TRAFFIC AND WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE OF THE APPLICANT, SHOULD BE CDD BE APPROVED?

>> WE CERTAINLY CAN. SHOULD THE CDD BE APPROVED? THE WHOLE

THING? >> YES. WELL, I MEAN --

>> CDD IN AND OF ITSELF WILL NOT TRY THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THAT TRY

TO GIVE YOU NUANCE -- >> SHOULD THE CDD BE APPROVED AND SUBSEQUENT TO THE ACTIONS BEING APPROVED?

>> YOU ARE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER/CITY ENGINEER. WOULD WE LIKE TO COMBINE AN ANSWER THIS EVENING?

>> WELL, I GUESS I CAN START. WE HAVE HAD MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OUT THERE. IN FACT, YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT IN THE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS FOR NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE AND FARMVILLE ROAD , WE HAVE HAD MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT IN TIME. I WILL LET THE INNER CITY ENGINEER SPEAK MORE TO THE SCHEDULE OF WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE TRYING TO EXPEDITE AND MOVE ON THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT FARMVILLE IN NORTH DONAHUE.

>> SO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ACCELERATED THE SCHEDULE OF THAT BASED ON THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS HERE, AND THE REST THAT IS GOING ON WITH THE NEW SCHOOLS. WE ARE UNDER DESIGN NOW FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF NORTH DONAHUE , WHICH IS FROM -- TO THE BRIDGE, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO TALKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS KNOW ABOUT CONTINUING THE SECOND PHASE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE INTERSECTION OF FARMVILLE AND NORTH DONAHUE. WE HOPE TO GET THAT UNDER DESIGN EARLY THIS SPRING IF THIS IS APPROVED.

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>> SO, TO FURTHER THAT, IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT WOULD BE UNDER DESIGN, AND IT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY THE YEAR TO DESIGN IT, AND THEN WE WOULD BID , AND THEN IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION. SO, IT WOULD BE LATE SUMMER OF '27 , I THINK THAT WOULD BE COMPLETE. I WILL ALSO HAVE THEM SPEAK, IN CASE I AM UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR WHAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO DO? I AM HEARING SOME CITIZEN CONCERNS AND COMMENTS IN CONCERN TO TIMING OF THIS DEVELOPING, AND WHEN IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE DELIVERED . SCOTT OR BRANDY?

>> WE WILL DEFTLY LOOK AT THE DEVELOPING AGREEMENT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, SHOULD IT GET APPROVED, AS WE WOULD WITH ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. ALL THE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL . WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM. THEY ARE PROTRUDING TOWARDS THESE IMPROVEMENTS . AS WOULD WE EXPECT THIS ONE, WE WOULD EVALUATE TO THE FULL EXTENT OF WHAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM A TRANSPORTATION AND STRUCTURE STANDPOINT , AND THEY WOULD CONTRIBUTE, IN KIND, WHAT THEIR PROVIDER SHARE WOULD BE AS OTHERS HAVE DONE. SO, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT CAREFULLY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WOULD ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT TAKE ON THE LEAD OF THIS, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE IN ADVANCE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT.

NORMALLY WHAT THAT WOULD RELATE TO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT A CERTIFICATE WOULD NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL A STRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT THAT USE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> IN ESSENCE, THE DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO PERFORM ANY PORTION OF IMPROVEMENTS THEY ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR , SAY TURN LANES, OTHERWISE THEY ARE PAYING A PRO SHARE OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, SECTIONS OF THE PRESERVER PAYING IT . I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE PAYING INTO WIDENING OF DONAHUE . THEY ARE NOT DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT, THE CITY IS. SO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY INTO THE FUNDS, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PERFORM THEIR OWN IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY COULD BE ISSUES, PER OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES . YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE YOUR TRAFFIC IMPACTS. HOWEVER, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHILE IT WILL GENERATE TRAFFIC, IT IS NOT SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY EXISTS AT THE INTERSECTION. SO, IT IS A TIMING ISSUE. BUT MR. HALEY CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN ME , IT IS NOT AN OVERNIGHT SITUATION . YOU ARE PROBABLY TALKING A 12 TO 24 MONTH TIMEFRAME AT THE FASTEST TO GET THE GROCERY OPEN, AND I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THIS AT THIS TIME, MEANING THERE IS A LOT OF DESIGN AND THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO ON.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO ALIGN WITH TIMING RELATED ISSUES. THE CHALLENGE FOR US IS THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK TO WIDEN THE INTERSECTION WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM A LOT OF DEVELOPERS . YOU KNOW, THAT IS A NUANCE THAT IS CHALLENGING. WE HAVE TO GO DESIGN AND BID AND BUILD , AND THE RESIDENCE ARE RIGHT. IT WILL TAKE A YEAR PLUS TO BUILD ITS, AND THERE WILL BE DISRUPTIONS IN THE AREA. WE HAVE DEALT WITH THIS ALL OVER TOWN, AND IT IS JUST PART OF GROWTH IN TERMS OF WHEN WE WIDEN INTERSECTIONS. IT IS NOT EASY.

>> QUICK CLARIFICATION. WHEN YOU SAID LATE SUMMER OF '27 , THAT IS JUST AN ESTIMATE? THE PHASE ONE THAT IS ALREADY BEING PLANNED , OR IS THAT PHASE ONE AND TWO?

>> SO, MID-LATE SUMMER OF 2027, WE HAVE BOTH PHASES CONSTRUCTED.

>> AND I WOULD COINCIDE WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL OPENING, BUT THE INITIAL THOUGHT IN OUR CIP, THIS WOULD LAG SLIGHTLY BEHIND. OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND TO GET THE SECTOR FROM THE CREEK WIDENED FIRST, BECAUSE THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS THERE . IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK, WHY DID THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL GO UP ? ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CAUSED THE NEED FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, HOWEVER WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUIRED YET. THE DEVELOPER WILL WORK WITH US ON THAT TO WIDEN THE INTERSECTION, SO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WENT IN AS PART OF THAT . BUT NO, THERE ARE TURN LANES ON DONAHUE -- I'M SORRY, IN FARMVILLE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE REQUESTED AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN WHEN WE WIDEN THE INTERSECTION. THERE IS NO ROOM TO DO IT NOW.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. BUFFERING, CAN WE DISCUSS HOW THE BUDGET

WAS DETERMINED -- >> AND YOU WILL AT THE SITE

PLAN? I AM SORRY, BETH. SORRY. >> HOW BUFFERING IS DETERMINED SINCE IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IT SEEMS THAT MULTIPLE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS MIGHT EXIST IN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE MUCH MORE VAST -- IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, THEY HAVE STRONGER BUFFERS AND OTHER AREAS COMPARED TO WHAT IS BEING I.E. REQUIRED IN 15 FEET, AND THEN SUGGESTED AS BEING

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>> SO BEFORE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR GETS INTO HOW THAT IS CALCULATED, TO SPEAK TO A NUMBER OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, SAM'S CLUB IS ONE OF THEM. THAT THEY 100 FOOT STRIP OF HOUSING ON ITS OWN PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT ALLOW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE IN THAT ZONE. THIS IS LEFT OVER FROM 1984 WHEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS CREATED . THAT BUFFER USED TO BE 400 FEET AND WAS REDUCED TO 100 FEET. SO PART OF THAT IS DE FACTO OF COMMERCIAL DEPARTMENT THAT CANNOT BE BUILT IN THERE. THERE IS A SIMILAR SITUATION AT THE WALMART NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET THAT IS JUST DOWN DONAHUE SHOWS THERE IS A ZONE THAT HAS AN ALABAMA TRANSMISSION LINE. SO, IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OR ANYBODY ELSE. THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY THAT DID THIS. THIS SONY CAME ALONG LATER WELL AFTER THE ZONING ORDINANCE , YOU KNOW, CAME INTO EFFECT, SO THE BIGGER BUFFERS ELSEWHERE ARE NOT NECESSARILY A FUNCTION OF A REQUIREMENT DIRECTLY BY THE USE ITSELF. IT WAS OTHER THINGS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE YEARS AGO.

SO, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT . TDH YEARS AGO WAS REQUIRED TO BE IN BETWEEN A CONFERENCE OF DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND NC ZONES, AND THAT WAS PROTECTING EXISTING ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS IN 1984. THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE THERE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE CAME ALONG, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION AT THE TIME TO HAVE THESE STRIPS. AND I WAS TO CREATE -- TDH DOES NOT ALLOW COMMERCIAL, BUT IT ALLOWS A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, SO THAT IS HOW THAT HAPPENED YEARS AGO.

>> SO, BECAUSE WE HAVE A TDH NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ABUTTING CURRENTLY A RURAL ZONE, IF WE ARE CONSIDERING AN INTENSE ZONING CHANGE TO THE CDD , THE RESIDENCE ARE STUCK WITH ONLY 15

FEET ? >> CORRECT. I WILL HAVE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE THEORY OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MY THEORY, THIS IS THE CITY MANAGER AND THE THEORY OF PERFORMANCE ZONING THAT WE HAVE IS THAT ALL USES CAN COEXIST AS A FUNCTION OF BUFFERING . SO, AS A FUNCTION OF BUFFERING , THERE ARE DISTANCES THAT ARE PRE-PRESCRIBED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THOSE ARE DISTRICT ATTORNEY THINGS WE HAVE, AND I WILL HAVE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR SPEAK TO HOW THAT WORKS.

>> THANK YOU. BUFFERS, LIKE WE MENTIONED, ARE CENTRAL TO THE IDEOLOGY AND METHODOLOGY BEHIND PERFORMANCE ZONING. SO, I THINK CDD IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS, THERE IS A MYRIAD OF USES THAT CAN GO IN CDD, LIKE I SAID , BY ANDERS COURT. YOU HAVE A SMALL WAREHOUSE AND YOU HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MOVEMENTS.

THERE IS A DAY CARE , AND A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ALL BEHIND A PARK. AND IT'S ALL THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT. THE ONLY THING THAT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN IS A DIFFERENT BUFFERS IN BETWEEN THEM. THE BUFFER SIZES ARE DETERMINED BY THE LAND-USE INTENSITIES. SO, THE LAND-USE INTENSITIES IMPOSED AND PROPOSED IN THE DEVELOPMENT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO NH. MOST OF THEM ARE ABOUT A SEVEN. BUT THEY HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS THE INTENSITY OF A FOUR, WHICH IS DETERMINED BY DENSITY , AND THEN ALSO THE INTENSITY OF THE USE. SO, A MAJORITY OF WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN DEVELOPMENT ARE ROAD SERVICE USES. LIKE I SAID, THAT IS THE LAND-USE INTENSITY OF SEVEN. SO, WE HAVE A TABLE THAT THEY KIND OF PRESCRIBED WITH THE BUFFER YARD IT SHOULD BE. LIKE I SAID , FROM A LOT OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO COEXIST WITHIN CDD ACROSS TOWN , BUFFERS ARE DETERMINED, AND THIS IS THE TABLE THAT HAS TO DETERMINE THEM, AND 15 FEET WAS DETERMINED TO BE THE NECESSARY BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL.

>> THAT IS PURELY BY ORDINANCE? THAT IS THE ONLY CHOICE THE STAFF HAS, IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. SO THEN THAT WAS

DOUBLED BY THE DEVELOPER. >> CORRECT. THE REQUIREMENT IS 15 . WHAT WAS REQUIRED WAS 15, AND WHAT WAS PROVIDED WAS 30 .

THE APPLICANT DID ASK FOR A WAIVER THAT WAS GRANTED A PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE EAST SIDE TO GO DOWN ON THE BUFFER, AND THAT WAS ONLY GRANTED BECAUSE THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ABUTS I GUESS WHAT LOOKS LIKE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FROM A MAP, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN AERIAL, THAT'S 400 FEET OF WOODS. THAT'S AT THE SLIMMEST PORTION OF THAT, SO THAT IS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FELT COMFORTABLE ALLOWING THE BUFFER TO ENCROACH ON THAT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO STRUCTURE THERE.

>> AT THIS TIME. >> CORRECT.

>> WE MADE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THERE AT THIS TIME?

>> OKAY. BUFFER IS WHAT IS DEVELOPED OR UNDEVELOPED YET.

>> OKAY. SO -- OKAY. I KNOW THERE WAS A MENTION OF A SMALLER

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IS THIS THE OPPORTUNITY AWAY CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT A CDD ZONE MAY IMPACT AS FAR AS PROPERTY VALUES ARE CONCERNED WITH THE

NEIGHBORING HOMES? >> TWO QUICK THINGS. YOU WANT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO ADDRESS WHY THE COUNCIL HAS NO PURVIEW OVER

THE AESTHETICS ? >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT, HE CAN ALSO ADDRESS WHAT YOUR PURVIEW IS OVER PROPERTY VALUES WERE NOT.

>> THANK YOU. >> IN RELATION TO THE FIRST QUESTION, WHICH IS ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IS SIMPLY NOT SET UP TO ALLOW FOR LARGE-SCALE GENERALIZED ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF PROPOSED COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

THERE ARE SOME LIMITED RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA , AND SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY TO THE CERTAIN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT OUTSIDE OF THOSE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS , THERE ARE NOT ANY GENERAL ARCHITECTURAL TYPE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE . THERE IS NO PROCESS FOR REVIEW OF ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. THERE IS NO QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE ABOUT WHO WOULD DO THAT, HOW THEY WOULD DO THAT, WHEN THEY WOULD DO THAT, AND WHAT PURVIEW THEY WOULD HAVE OVER THOSE PLANS. SO IN GENERAL, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE JUST DOES NOT ALLOW ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. THERE ARE SOME MATERIAL RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD APPLY, BECAUSE THIS IS A CORD OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT THOSE MATERIALS USED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT DON'T DICTATE THE ARCHITECTURAL SCALE OR OVERALL LOOK OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL ZONE.

>> ALSO, THE STATE LAW DOES NOT REALLY AFFORD TO THE CITY MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO REGULATE ARCHITECTURE OUTSIDE OF A

HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OKAY. AS TO THE SECOND ITEM , POTENTIAL INCREASES OR DECREASES IN PROPERTY VALUES, ALABAMA IS NOT A STATE THAT HAS ANY STATUTE OR CASE LAW THAT SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT FACTOR IN MAKING A ZONING DECISION.

>> SO, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE DON'T FIND SOMETHING THAT IS BASED OFF OF HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE , WHICH I CAN POINT TO SEVERAL , THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONTROL .

>> OUR ZONING ORDINANCE CERTAINLY AFFORDS THE CITY COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO ADD CONDITIONS INTO A PDD OVERLAY .

THE CONDITIONS WHICH WOULD ADDRESS SAFETY, HEALTH, AND WELFARE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD EITHER BY COUNCILMEMBERS, BY STAFF, OR BY THE PUBLIC, BUT IN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO REZONE FROM RURAL TO CDD, WHICH IS THE FIRST AND ONLY DECISION AT THIS POINT IN TIME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IT IS A FUNCTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE ZONING ORDINANCES REQUIREMENTS FOR REZONING FROM RURAL TO CDD IN LIGHT OF BOTH THE COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

>> WELL, I JUST -- THERE WERE PROBABLY OTHER QUESTIONS, AND I WILL HOLD MY COMMENTS UNTIL THE END IF I CAN.

>> SURE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF THIS REMAINS RURAL, WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THERE?

>> I WILL HAVE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR ANSWER THAT. HE'S PULLING UP THE TABLE OF PERMITTED USES IN THE ZONING

ORDINANCE. >> ALL RIGHT. WHERE ARE WE AT? OKAY. SO, PRETTY MUCH -- OH. PRETTY MUCH, THERE IS YET A SLEW

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IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN, YOU HAVE GOT THINGS LIKE DAY CARE CENTER THAT COULD BE ALLOWED , BUT A LOT OF THE MORE INTENSE USES FOUND IN URBAN AREAS, THOSE ARE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL. THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED TO BE CONDITIONAL USE OR ANYTHING. SO, I MEAN, IT OPENS ITSELF UP TO ANOTHER INTENSITY OF USES, BUT ALSO RESTRICTS IT FROM A LOT OF THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT FEATURES, LIKE I SAID, THAT BIG COMMERCIAL NODE OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING

AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A RETAILER OR WHOLESALE NURSERY THERE . THAT IS ALLOWED. AND A FEW OTHER THINGS LIKE AN AMPHITHEATER, THINGS LIKE THAT, COULD BE PERMITTED CONDITIONALLY IF YOU WERE TO VOTE FOR IT.

THERE WERE NOT A TON OF THINGS THAT ARE AGRICULTURAL BASE .

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? YES?

>> THE DEVELOPER HAS INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO ACCOMMODATE CONCERNS AND ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED TONIGHT AND IN THE DAYS PRECEDING THIS MEETING , AND HE HAS ALSO INDICATED THAT HE WANTS TO USE LOCAL ARCHITECTS AND RESIDENTS TO HELP THEM LOOK AT THESE CONCERNS. IS THERE A MECHANISM THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM TO DO THAT BEFORE WE VOTED I GUESS?

>> THERE IS NOT A MECHANISM ON THE CDD ZONING . THERE IS NOT A CONDITION, THERE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LEGALLY BINDING IN PLACE THEREOF. THERE IS ON THE PDD AND CONDITIONAL USES, BUT THERE ISN'T AT THIS JUNCTURE. I WILL REMIND YOU, AND I AM NOT ENCOURAGING YOU TO DO THIS, BUT THE PREVAILING SIDE OF ANY VOTE IN A SAME MEETING HAS THE RIGHT TO RECALL A VOTE DURING THE SAME MEETING. SO IF YOU GET DOWN THE PATH, YOU CAN GO BACK TO ANYTHING YOU HAVE DONE IN THIS MEETING AND RECALL IT, BUT IT IS IN THE MAJORITY OF THE PREVAILING SIDE. WHOEVER HAD THE MAJORITY OF THAT VOTE. SO, COUNCILMEMBER GRISWOLD ASKED EARLIER, IS THERE A WAY TO DO CONDITIONAL CDD? THERE IS NOT.

IF YOU GOT DOWN THE PATH AND COULD NOT LIVING CONDITIONS, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE IN THE SAME MEETING, NOT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING. SO, WE ARE HERE AT YOUR PLEASURE TO ADVISE YOU ACCORDINGLY.

>> THAT IS ONLY IF YOU ARE ON THE PREVAILING SIDE OF THE VOTE?

>> YES, SIR. CORRECT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE

MAYOR? >> YES?

>> RIGHT NOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT A SINGLE ITEM. THE REZONING. BUT A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD COVERED A VARIETY OF THESE NEXT SEVERAL ITEMS. WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM STILL? OR WILL WE BE VOTING ON THEM SEPARATELY?

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO DO BY OUR LEGAL COUNSEL. YES.

>> ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION HERE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON HERE IS ZONING . THERE MAY BE CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE. THOSE SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED . IN OUR DECISION TO REZONE THE PROPERTY, THOSE WOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THE PDD OVERLAY .

>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE CONCERNS IN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO REZONE. YOU JUST CAN'T AFFECT THEM BY ADDING CONDITIONS INTO THE REZONING. THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE AT THE PDD, AND THAT REASON, AS THE DIRECTOR STATED, THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS, BECAUSE IT WAS CDD WITH THE PDD OVERLAY . WITHOUT THAT, THE DECISION MIGHT

HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE WITH A QUESTION? OKAY. ANY COMMENTS

FROM THE COUNCIL? COMMENTS? >> I DO.

>> PLEASE. >> FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE 60+ RESIDENTS , MAY BE MORE, THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS . YOUR SENTIMENTS HAVE BEEN

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YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? YES?

>> WHEN WE STARTED THIS, THE MAYOR ASKED THAT IT BE DONE WITH DIGNITY, AND I THINK IT WAS. I THINK ON BOTH SIDES, THERE HAS BEEN A WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER , AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY , AS COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN SAID. I THINK THIS HAS GONE VERY FAR VERY FAST , AND THERE IS AN ENCOURAGEMENT THAT I HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT TO WORK THROUGH THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT

HAPPEN. >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. LINDSAY,

WITH THE ROLL CALL? >> COUNCILMEMBER GRISWOLD?

>> YES. >> COUNCILMEMBER MOREMAN?

>> NO. >> COUNCILMEMBER PARSONS?

>> NO. >> COUNCILMEMBER WITTEN?

>> NO. >> COUNCILMEMBER ADAMS?

>> YES. >> COUNCILMEMBER DAWSON?

>> YES. >> MAYOR ANDERS?

>> NO. >> THAT MOTION FAILS, MEANING IT DID NOT CARRY AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE. SO, FROM A REZONING STANDPOINT WITH THE CDD ITEM FAILING, THAT WILL REMOVE ITEM 9A 2 COME AND WE GET TO RESOLUTIONS, THAT WILL REMOVE

[10. a. Conditional use approvals. Planning Commission recommendations. Public hearings required.]

ANOTHER ITEM. >> CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT, RESOLUTION! >> IF YOU ARE READY TO MOVE TO RESOLUTIONS, GIVE ME JUST A SECOND HERE. ITEM 10 A ONE IS CONDITIONAL USE APPROVALS FOR A CAR DETAILING SHOP PROPERTY LOCATING AT 1975 MALL BOULEVARD, SUITE 205, AND THE COMPANY IN THE DEVELOPING DISTRICT. THE PLANNING CONDITION RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST THAT IS FEBRUARY 13TH MEETING. A PUBLIC

HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ABOUT THIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. OKAY. I AM SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE , SO WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? ALL

IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. >> ITEM 10 A2 IS AN AUTOIMMUNE EMOTIVE REPAIR FACILITY AT 26 YOUR EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE, IN THE COVER THE DEVELOPING DISTRICT WITH A POINT ABOUT THE DISTRICT OVERLAY. THE PLANNING CONDITION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS UNARY NINTH MEETING . THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM THE JANUARY 1ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. A PUBLIC

HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS TIME, IF YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. I AM SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? PLEASE?

>> JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THIS PROJECT IS ON A LARGE AMOUNT OF LAND. SIX-POINT SOMETHING ACRES I

BELIEVE. >> IT ACTUALLY GOT REDUCED.

SOMETHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WAS ACTUALLY APPROVING ITS ADMINISTRATIVE SUBDIVISION. SO IT GOT REDUCED TO A SMALLER LOT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL THE SIZE.

>> IT IS ONE .8 ACRES. >> THAT IS THE ACTUAL CHRISTIAN

BROTHERS AUTOMOTIVE? >> YES, SIR. THE REMAINDER OF

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>> AS IT STANDS NOW, THOUGH, IT IS AS FAR AWAY FROM THE SUBDIVISION IS IT CAN BE IS THE POINT I WANTED TO CLARIFY?

>> CORRECT. IT IS NO LONGER A BLENDED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

>> OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN

FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION

CARRIES. >> AS A REMINDER, ITEM 10 A3 IS NOT ON THE AGENDA ANYMORE. SO ITEM 10 A4 IS A APPROVAL FOR INDUSTRIAL THAT IS MANUFACTURING FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2555 WEST TECH LANE IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL IT IS A VERY 13TH MEETING.

PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. I WILL OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL REGARDING THIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES. I AM SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENT OR QUESTIONS FROM

[10. b. Tax abatements.]

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

>> ITEM 10 B, A TAX ABATEMENT FROM THE GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY DOING BUSINESS AS GE AEROSPACE FOR THE ACQUISITION OF NEW AGREEMENT FOR THEIR FACILITY LOCATED AT 2400 INNOVATION DRIVE IN AUBURN TECHNOLOGY PARK WEST. THE COMPANY ANTICIPATES HIRING 10 NEW EMPLOYEES AND INVESTING APPROXIMATELY 35.3 MILLION OVER

THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR INDUSTRIAL THE VELTMAN TEAM.

THIS IS A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR COMMITTEE. ANY COMMENTS OR

[10. c. Contract. Nomad Global Communication Solutions. Purchase one (1) Nomad IC28As2 mobile command vehicle. $874,242.82.]

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? CARRIES.

>> ITEM 10 SEE -- FOR THE PURCHASE OF A MOBILE COMMAND VEHICLE IN THE AMOUNT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF I CAN SPEAK INTO, IN THE MONTH OF $874,242.00 .

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK OUR FEDERAL DELEGATION FOR CARRYING MOST OF THE FREIGHT ON THE PAYMENT OF THIS. WE HAD ONE MAIN SUPPORTER OF THIS, AND WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE HIS SUPPORT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS

FROM THE COUNCIL? YES? >> I AM SURE HE IS LISTENING TONIGHT, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS THERE. THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS THAT WE SHARE USE OR HAVE BORROWED USE?

>> CORRECT. >> WE DON'T HAVE ONE --

>> YOU ARE CORRECT. ONLY THE LEAD COUNTY SHERIFF DOES.

>> AND THE WAY THAT IT WILL BE USED IS AT FOOTBALL GAMES OR AT

OTHER EMERGENCIES THAT ARISE? >> THAT IS CORRECT. I CAN HAVE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MATTHEWS

EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> CERTAINLY. THIS VEHICLE WILL BE USED FOR A VARIETY OF EVENTS. ANY LARGE EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE A SECURITY FOOTPRINT WHERE WE NEED OPERATIONS TO BE REMOTELY OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE CAN USE IT FOR THOSE. THEY WILL BE THERE AT GAME DAYS. WE HAVE USED THEM AT SEARCH AND RESCUE EVENTS , WE HAVE USED THEM AT AIRPLANE CRASHES, WE HAVE USED THEM AT, YOU KNOW, ANY LARGE EVENT THAT REQUIRES US TO HAVE REMOTE OPERATIONS. THERE ARE COMMUNICATION COMMAND PLATFORMS, SO IT HAS A LOT OF RADIO ASSETS, CAMERAS, NETWORKING GEAR . WE WILL BE ABLE TO STORE OPERATIONS EQUIPMENT IN THEIR, IT HAS AN OFFICE SPACE , SO A GOOD MEETING SPACE . WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR TOLKIN INDICATORS THAT WORK IN OUR 911 CENTER TO WORK OUT OF THIS VEHICLE AS WELL. THEY WILL HAVE THAT FULL CAPABILITY.

SPECULATIVE THE IMPORTANT THING THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW THAT THERE IS ALSO A RESTROOM FACILITY . ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LEFT OUT OF YOUR MEMOS IS NOT WORKING IN THE CURRENT THING , BUT WHEN WE ARE ON SITE SOMEWHERE, WE HAVE TO GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED COMMAND POST, EVEN AT A MAJOR FIRE SCENE. IT CAN BE UTILIZED IN ITS PLACE FOR EVERYBODY TO GATHER, TO COMMUNICATE, AND THEN IT DOES GIVE US FULL BACKUP CAPABILITIES IF CERTAIN CAN INDICATION

SYSTEMS GO DOWN. >> AND IT WILL BE SHARED IN THE SAME IN A THAT THE SHERIFF'S APARTMENT VEHICLE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH US FOR MANY YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS THAT IT WILL BE A REGIONAL ASSET . SO IT WILL JUST BE A MATTER OF ANY OF THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITIES REQUESTING THE VEHICLE FOR THEIR ORIGIN , AND THEN WE CAN MAKE

THAT HAPPEN. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? >> YES. I GENERALLY OPPOSE THE PURCHASE OF NEW EQUIPMENT IN LIEU OF REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.

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>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> IT IS 25 YEARS TOO LATE, BUT THAT'S BETTER THAN EVER.

[10. d. Vacation. Northgate Development, LLC. Bottle Way. Property located along lot A-2-A-1-A Northgate Subdivision Phase II.]

>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE?

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OCEAN CARRIES.

>> ITEM 10 D IS A UTILITY DISTRICT IN A NORTHGATE SUBDIVISION PHASE TWO, AND FURTHER AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A QUICK PLAN RELINQUISHING THE PROPERTY TO NORTHGATE OF ELEMENT LLC. A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL WERE GUARDING THIS. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I SEE NOBODY. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL? ALL

IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE? >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS OF BUSINESS WE HAVE FOR YOU THIS

EVENING. >> OKAY. I SEE A YOUNG MAN WHO HAS HIS BOY SCOUT UNIFORM ON. WE NORMALLY RECOGNIZE OUR SCOUTS WHEN THEY COME TO OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE NORMALLY DO THAT AT THE FIRST OF THE MEETING, AND I AM SORRY I DID NOT RECOGNIZE YOU AND SEE YOU, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THAT, BUT WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO STAND UP AND TELL US WHAT TROOP YOU ARE IN AND WHAT YOU ARE STUDYING AND WHAT IS YOUR NAME.

>> HAVE YOU. COME BACK AGAIN SOMETIME. YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN

[12. CITIZENS' OPEN FORUM.]

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ROBERTA, THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZENS OPEN FORUM. THIS IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK TO THE OPEN COUNSEL ABOUT ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE ON YOUR MIND. WE ASK THAT YOU ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL , AND YOU CAN PLEASE COME FORWARD AND PLEASE SHARE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL. SORRY TO MAKE YOU COME

UP TWICE. >> IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. I AM ROBERTA JEKYLL, HAMILTON HILLS COURT. I ALWAYS OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A DO OVER. ANYWAYS, THANK YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING PREMATURE THERE. AS I STARTED SAYING, THIS IS REALLY IMPULSIVE. I WAS DOING MY REHAB THIS AFTERNOON AT THE SPORTSPLEX , AND JUST FEELING SAD AND A LITTLE AGGRAVATED THAT I HAD TO DRIVE ALL OF THE WAY OUT THERE AGAIN. BECAUSE OF MY BEAUTIFUL KNEE HERE, I HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED TO DO A LOT OF WATER REHAB , AND ALSO TO WRITE A STATIONARY BICYCLE. I LIVE PROBABLY ALL OF FIVE MINUTES FROM THE UP AND COMING LAKE WILMER COMMUNITY CENTER , AND THAT IS WHY I AM HERE TO SPEAK.

THE LAST TIME I SPOKE AT COUNSEL WAS MORE THAN FIVE YEARS AGO. IT WAS ONE HEALTH PLUS WAS ABOUT TO CLOSE , AND HEALTH PLUS CLOSE JANUARY 30TH, 2020. SO, FIVE YEARS AGO. AT THAT TIME WHEN IT CAME AND SPOKE, A NUMBER OF US CAME IN

>> A NUMBER OF TIMES. WE WERE TOLD THERE WOULD BE AN INDOOR SWIMMING POOL BUILT. WELL, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED , AND THEN IT CAME THAT THE SMALLER REC CENTER WAS PROPOSED , AND WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE THIS PAST JUNE, AND HERE IT IS , SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS LATER, WHATEVER IT IS, AND IT IS STILL NOT OPEN. I UNDERSTAND THE BASKETBALL COURT IS OPEN, BUT THE FITNESS ROOM IS NOT OPEN IN THE POOL IS NOT OPEN. AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AREN'T OPEN YET EITHER. SO, I HAVE HAD TO PAY , I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM MY MONEY AND TIME AND GETTING ON I 85. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXERCISE AND DO MY REHAB IN AUBURN LIKE MANY OTHER RETIREES. AND I AM FRUSTRATED, OTHER PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED, BECAUSE I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL MANY TIMES.

PEOPLE ASSUME I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND THEY KEEP ASKING ME, WHAT IS LAKE WILMER GOING TO OPEN? AND HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST? AND TELL ME SOME DETAILS. AND I SAY I DON'T KNOW , I AM NOT PRIVY TO ANY OF THIS. ALL I KNOW IS I HAVE GONE A FEW TIMES ON SUNDAY WILL WHEN THESE WORKERS AREN'T THERE TO KIND OF PEEK AROUND AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. ALLISON HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS AND HAS ANSWERED SOME EMAILS FOR ME, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE , SO I AM REALLY HERE BECAUSE OF THIS PAUCITY OF INFORMATION OF THE PROGRESS OF THIS FACILITY. I KNOW BUILDING USABLE BUILDINGS IS VERY COMPLEX . WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FEE STRUCTURE WILL BE, WHAT THE HOURS WILL BE , AND A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHY THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH DELAY . FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHETHER TO RENEW THEIR ONE-YEAR MEMBERSHIPS AT ALTERNATIVE FACILITIES. SO I CAN'T

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>> THANK YOU, MISS JEKYLL. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

>> ANY INFORMATION THAT CAN BE PROVIDED I WOULD REALLY

APPRECIATE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WOULD SAY WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF OUR NEW COMMUNITY CENTER, AND I, FOR ONE, CANNOT WAIT UNTIL EVERY BIT OF IT IS OPEN.

DISAPPOINTED IT IS NOT ALL OPEN RIGHT NOW TWO, MISS JEKYLL. I SURE AM. ALL RIGHT. WHO WILL BE NEXT?

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH WHITE. I LIVE AT 637 FOREST STILL DRIVE. I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE A BEAUTIFULLY DIVERSE COMMUNITY CONSISTING OF COLLEGE STUDENTS DRAWN TO A TOP DRINK RESEARCH INSTITUTION, A THRIVING WORKFORCE, AND FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN ATTRACTED BY OUR STRONG ECONOMY AND HIGHLY REGARDED RAPIDLY GROWING PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

AND RETIREES, MANY OF THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO SETTLE HERE, BECAUSE OF OUR MILD CLIMATE, THE COST OF LIVING, AND RICH, CULTURAL EXPERIENCES. I ALSO DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A LOT OF ANXIETY IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. AS WITH CHANGES ARE BEING ENACTED AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING SHOCK -- AFTERSHOCKS HERE, AND CHALLENGING SO MUCH THAT WE HOLD DEAR AND HAVE ADMITTEDLY TAKEN FOR GRANTED. HERE ARE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS ON MY MIND TONIGHT. IF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IS ELIMINATED OR HOLLOWED OUT , WILL SPECIAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS , FOR INSTANCE, STILL BE FUNDED? WILL 31% OF AUBURN UNIVERSITY STUDENTS WHO USE FAFSA TO SECURE FEDERAL LOAN STILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD IN AUBURN DEGREE? IS THE UNIVERSITY GOING TO REMAIN AT THE FOREFRONT OF RESEARCH WITHOUT THE MILLIONS FROM FEDERAL GRANTS SUCH AS THE 413 MILLION FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH? ARE WE FACING AN IMPENDING FOOD CRISIS WITH THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF USDA FUNDING FOR THE EAST ALABAMA FOOD BANK, AND SNAP BENEFITS THAT PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE DO NOT HAVE MONEY OR BUYING POWER? WHAT WILL BECOME OF THOSE ELDERLY FAMILIES , FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, AND THOSE WHO MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF SNAP RECIPIENTS WHEN THEY NO LONGER HAVE THOSE BENEFITS TO SHOP FOR GROCERIES AT OUR LOCAL STORES? AND AS TORNADO SEASON BEGINS, IF NOAH IS INDEED BROKEN UP AND DOWNSIZED , AND HURRICANE CENTERS ARE CONSEQUENTLY LESS EFFECTIVE , WILL THE SIRENS STILL SOUND? I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE MAYOR AND THE AUBURN CITY COUNCIL ASSURE US THAT YOU ARE STAYING INFORMED , AND AS COMMUNITY LEADERS, YOU'RE MAKING PHONE CALLS TO ADVOCATE FOR ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, ESPECIALLY THE MOST VULNERABLE . THE LEAST OF THESE, LIKE ALL GOOD LEADERS, I PRAY YOU WILL HOPE FOR THE BEST , BUT PLAN FOR THE WORST. WITH EARTHSHAKING PLANS SPELLED OUT SO CLEARLY , I URGE YOU, DO NOT BE CAUGHT FLAT FOOTED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? >> HELLO. MY NAME IS TERESA. I LIVE AT 917 SOUTHEAST THREE. FOLLOWING WHAT MRS. WHITE SAID , I AM ALSO WONDERING IN LIGHT OF THE CONSIDER BUDGET CHANGES HAPPENING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL HOW THE CITY IS PLANNING TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS ON OUR COMMUNITY IF 35% OF STUDENTS WHO RECEIVE FEDERAL STUDENT AID , WHAT SORT OF ECONOMIC IMPACT SHOULD WE ANTICIPATE IF THOSE FUNDS ARE DELAYED OR CANCELED? DOES THE CITY ANTICIPATE ANY JOB LOSS IN THE MANUFACTURING SECTOR? WILL THERE BE TARIFFS ON STEEL? WOULD YOU CONSIDER HOSTING A TOWNHALL AND INVITING LEADERS SUCH AS THE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT OR ROGERS TO SPEAK TO THESE CONCERNS SO THAT CITIZENS CAN HAVE AN OUTLET FOR THEIR QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED? REGARDLESS OF HOW ANYONE VOTED , THESE ISSUES AFFECT ALL OF US, AND I THINK INCREASED CAN INDICATION IS NEEDED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHO WILL BE NEXT? OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE CITIZENS

[11. OTHER BUSINESS.]

WOULD LIKE TO DO? >> I JUST WANT TO ASK A

QUESTION. >> PLEASE.

>> WE HAD A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS TONIGHT. SO, ARE WE GOING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS? OR ARE WE GOING TO WAIT AND GIVE THEM

ANSWERS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> QUESTIONS FROM -- I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

>> I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THEM TONIGHT, BUT I AM JUST SAYING,

WILL THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY? >> I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE GOING TO BE. IT IS PRETTY EARLY.

>> SO, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE , AS EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY AND

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ADVOCACY CAN HAPPEN, BUT THIS IS ALSO A NONPARTISAN COUNSEL, AND I THINK THE SPEAKERS ADDRESS THAT PRETTY CLEARLY. BUT OUR CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW IS UNTIL WE KNOW INTERPRETATION, BECAUSE THINGS COME OUT ONE DAY , AND COME OUT TO THE EXTREME. FIRST, I WAS LEFT TO SAY , I AM NOT SURE WHERE ANY OF OUR FEDERAL GRANTS STAND, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT YOU VOTED ON A COMMAND VEHICLE TONIGHT. IN THE 48 HOURS LATER, WE GET A DIRECTIVE THAT NONE OF THAT IS IMPACTED AT THE MOMENT. SO, I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE HAS HAD TO SAY. WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS NIMBLE AS WE CAN, AND OUR INTERPRETATION WILL GET TO THE COUNCIL. I THINK IT IS VALUABLE TO LEARN FROM OUR CITIZENS THAT THEIR CONCERN WITH FEDERAL PROGRAMS MAY BE CUT, AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT AT OUR BUDGETING PROCESS TO ADDRESS THAT? THE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU KNOW, AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WE ARE STARTING OUR BUDGETING PROCESS.

COUNSEL DOES NOT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT WE WILL ABSOLUTELY PIVOT AS THIS COUNCIL DESIRES TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHEN WE KNOW MORE, AND COLLABORATE WITH WHO WE NEED TO COLLABORATE WITH. IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THEY WANT TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF SOMETHING FOR THE CITY, WE WILL GLADLY DO THAT AS

WELL. >> I WOULD ENCOURAGE MISS WHITE AND MISS HECKMAN TO EMAIL US , AND WE CAN BEGIN A WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE AS WELL . YOU CAN FIND OUR SHARED EMAIL ON OUR

WEBSITE. >> AND WHAT ABOUT MISSED TACKLES

QUESTION? WELL, -- >> THERE IS A STAFF MEMBER IN THIS ROOM THAT LAKE WILMORE IS NOT COMPLETELY OPEN. HOWEVER, WE WILL NEVER DELIVER SUBPAR CITIZENS TO THE CITIZENS OF AUBURN. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME AND THE ROLE THAT I AM IN.

AND RIGHT NOW, THOSE AREAS OF LAKE WILMA THAT ARE NOT OPEN ARE NOT READY TO THE QUALITY STANDARDS THE STAFF EXPECTS TO BE ABLE TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IF THEY ARE NOT OPEN, THEY ARE NOT READY TO BE OPEN. I AM HAPPY, AND WE ARE HAPPY THAT MOVING FORWARD KNOWING WHAT OUR MEMBERSHIP FEE STRUCTURE IS, BUT OUR GOAL WAS TO LAUNCH THAT WITH, HEY, YOU WILL GET X AMOUNT OF PERIOD FREE TO TRY IT OUT AND SO ON, AND THAT PERIOD HAS PASSED . TO ROBERTA'S FRUSTRATION, STAFF IS FRUSTRATED AS WELL. BUT UNTIL SOMETHINGS ARE OPERATING AND FUNCTIONAL THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE , AND AGAIN, ALLISON HALL, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, HAS TALKED WITH A NUMBER OF CITIZENS , WE HAVE A VERY ACTIVE CONTRACT WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO IS DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO CORRECT SOME THINGS THAT JUST NEED TO BE CORRECTED , AND I NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT TALKING ABOUT CONTRACTS AND ANYTHING ELSE. THEY ARE VERY COMMITTED TO CORRECTING WHAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, OR THINGS THAT HAVE GONE WRONG, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A FULL TESTING MECHANICAL SYSTEM. THIS POOL IS HEATED, IT IS COVERED, PEOPLE OF TALKED ABOUT WHY DID YOU NOT INSTALLING THE HUMIDIFIER OUT OF THE GATE? WELL, WE HAD A POOL THAT WAS UNCOVERED. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ROBERTA DESCRIBED CAUSED US TO COVER THE POOL THAT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, AND THEN SOME THINGS DID NOT GET IN THERE. IN THE WINTER, YOU HAVE TO DEHUMIDIFIER OR RUST OUT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE GOT. SO, WE ARE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OPEN AT A POINT TO THEN WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO CLOSE IT EVENTUALLY TO PUT THE CAN INDICATION SYSTEM IN AND THEY ROLL UP DOORS. THE WHOLE GOAL WAS TO NOT SLOW DOWN OPENING, HOWEVER, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND SOME CHALLENGING WITH THE POOL DECKING NEED TO BE CORRECTED. WE ARE HAPPY TO TALK WITH ANYONE AT ANYTIME ABOUT ANYTHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT, AND I AM HAPPY TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC THE USER FEES. MY TALENT FROM THE SEAT IN WHICH I SIT IN IS I DON'T WANT TO CREATE UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS FOR WHEN OUR CITIZENS WILL BE ABLE TO USE IT. SO, OUR HOPE WAS TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE POTENTIAL FOR MEMBERSHIP FEES, AND AGAIN, WE WANTED TO DO A FREE PERIOD, UNLESS THAT HAS CHANGED, ALLISON? WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE BEFORE THEY MAKE A MEMBERSHIP DECISION. I WANT TO SHOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE SAME MEMBERSHIP. YOU NO LONGER PAY $30.00 AND IT IS GOOD FOR LIFE. THERE WILL BE A MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP COST THAT WILL INCLUDE SWIMMING, AND WE WILL PUT THAT OUT THERE. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR FAMILIES. WE ARE ALSO OPENING A MEMBERSHIP TO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN AUBURN BUT DON'T LIVE IN AUBURN, BECAUSE THEY PAY AN OCCUPATIONAL TAX, SO THEY WILL GET ACCESS , BUT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MONTHLY MEMBERSHIPS TO NONRESIDENTS, BECAUSE THE CENTER IS GOING TO BE OVERRUN. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ROOF LEAKS IN THE VICINITY OF

[02:10:04]

>> NO, MA'AM. YOU ARE ENTIRELY CORRECT. WE ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO GET US TO THE FINISH LINE SO WE CAN OPEN THIS TO THE PUBLIC. WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO OPEN THIS FACILITY IS A BETA TEST OR SOFT OPENING WHERE WE MIGHT BE CLOSING THINGS EVERY OTHER DAY TO FINISH WORK OR TO RECONCILE ISSUES. WE WANT THIS READY COMPLETE BEFORE THE PUBLIC USE.

>> AND I JUST ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I FEEL BAD WHEN PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND THEY ASKED QUESTIONS AND WE DON'T GIVE THEM ANY ANSWERS. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED . SO, YOU KNOW, SOME ANSWER IS BETTER THAN NO ANSWER.

>> IT IS ALWAYS AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL. IF YOU ASK US,

WE WILL RESPOND. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER.

>> NO PROBLEM. I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO REACH OUT TO THE STAFF. WE WILL GLADLY TALK YOU THROUGH IT. THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON OTHER THAN TRYING TO DELIVER THE BEST PRODUCT POSSIBLE TO OUR CITIZENS IN THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY!

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