Mar 20, 2025 Planning Commission

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CALL THE MARCH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.

AND WE WILL TAKE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> DANA CAMP.

>> HERE.

>> NONET REESE.

>> HERE. >> WENDY BIRMINGHAM. DAVID WISDOM. BILL CHANSLER.

>> HERE. >> JENNIFER STEPHENS.

>> HERE.

>> OSCAR MOSLEY.

>> HERE. >> WALKER

DAVIS. >>

HERE. >> THANK YOU.

WE'LL TAKE A MINUTE TO GET EVERYONE IN THE ROOM AND SEATED AND WE'LL BEGIN IN JUST A FEW.

>> GOOD EVENING. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US. IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE A CLASS IN THE BACK.

THAT'S GREAT. WHAT A FUN ONE TO ATTEND.

I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR YOU. I THINK I RUFB LOVE IT.

WE HAVE ALREADY DONE ROLL CALL AND KNOW THAT A QUORUM IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE. AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO START WITH A STATEMENT FOR THE AUBURN CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE COMMISSION WILL BE PRESENTED BY AGENDA ITEMS BY THE CITY STAFF. THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICATION WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE KPENTS OR ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN AS APPROPRIATE, AND THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AT HAND.

WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEARD. WE DO ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO 5 MINUTES AND RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND. AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN, A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. AND ONCE CLOSED, THE

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THE COMMISSION WILL THEN VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS AND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2030. IN ADDITION, I'D LIKE TO SUMMARIZE OUR ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY RELATED TO THE APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLATS. BY ALABAMA STATUTE A MUNICIPAL PLANNING COMMISSION SUCH AS OURS IS THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR SUBDIVISION PLATS.

THE COMMISSION ACTS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND BOUND BY ADMINISTRATION STATE LAWS AND ZONING ORDINANCE. WHILE PUBLICINGS ARE REQUIRED ON MOST PLATS PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE DISTRICT'S AUTHORITY IS LIMITED TO MAKING SURE THE PLAT MEET OR EXCEEDS THE NEEDS CODIFIED IN LEGISLATIONS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.

FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POINT FOR THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE. AS YOU KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS A COMMITTEE BOARD OF CITY COUNCIL. ALL OTHER DECISIONS WILL BE MADE BY CITY COUNCIL.

[CITIZENS’ COMMUNICATION]

PODIUM. >> AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE IT OPEN IT TO CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. THIS IS IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

>> GOOD EVENING.

>> CAN YOU HOLD THE MICROPHONE DOWN,

PLEASE? >> I'M JESSIE SHEALY RESIDENT OF 1962 ROAD.

ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN ME AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU DO A GREAT JOB FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN. I AM A NATIVE OF AUBURN AND THE CONCERN I HAVE TONIGHT IS, OF COURSE, MIRACLE ROAD. SOMEONE AND I DO EARNESTLY BELIEVE IT WAS BY ACCIDENT POURED TRUCKLOADS OF GRAVEL OF THIS SIZE - - MAY I APPROACH? SOMEONE POURED TRUCKLOADS OF GRAVEL THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR NORMAL REGULAR CARS TO GO OVER. AND THE REASON WHY I SAY I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS BY ACCIDENT BECAUSE THEY CAME BACK AND REMOVED AS MUCH OF IT AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD, HOWEVER THERE'S STILL REMNANTS OF WHAT THEY HAVE POURED, AND MY VEHICLE HAS TO GO OVER THAT GRAVEL EACH AND EVERY DAY, WHICH HAS CERTAINLY CAUSED A -- A PROBLEM FOR MY TIRES.

IT LITERALLY THAT SIZE GRAVEL TRAVELING OVER IT EVERY DAY HAS CHEWED UP MY TIRES AND HAS CAUSED IT TO BE OUT OF ALIGNMENT.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THIS GENTLEMAN AS WELL AS THIS GENTLEMAN HERE. I HAVE A CALL IN TODAY IN BALLARD WHO I BELIEVE IS THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND ALSO -- I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET WITH -- BUT I DO PLAN TO CONTACT THEM AS WELL.

BUT I DO WANT TO BRING THIS ISSUE TO THE BOARD TO SINCERELY ASK FOR CONSIDERATION.

IT CAN BE IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW THE CITY OF AUBURN HAVE MORE PERTINENT AND IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH YOUR AGENDA TO PUSH THROUGH AND GET THOSE TAKEN CARE OF FIRST. BUT I EARNESTLY ASK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO CONSIDER MY REQUEST OF PAVING MIRACLE ROAD AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE A COSTLY ISSUE. I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I NEED TO DO FINANCIALLY. LITTLE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY LIKE RICH AND WEALTHY PEOPLE DO, HOWEVER, BEING A CITIZEN, BEING A RESIDENT OF MIRACLE ROAD, I'M WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE AS MUCH AS I PEACEABLY CAN TO GET OUR ROAD PAVED AT SOME POINT. PERHAPS THERE MAY BE A GRANT THAT I CAN ASSIST IN WRITING TO GET GOVERNMENT SUPPORT BEHIND THIS. WHATEVER IS NECESSARY.

I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO PLEASE HELP US TO GET MIRACLE ROAD PAVED AS WELL AS HELP ME GET SOMEONE OUT THERE TO AT LEAST REMOVE THE REMNANT OF THAT LARGE GRAVEL SO THAT MY CAR DOESN'T HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY GO OVER THAT GRAVEL. EITHER WAY I GO LEFT OR RIGHT THERE'S STILL PILES OF GRAVEL STILL THERE

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I DON'T WANT THE ROAD CLOSED. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GO IN AND OUT OF THE ROAD, AND I THINK IT WILL BE ESSENTIAL AS WE DEVELOP OUT THAT WAY ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW SCHOOL, FIRE DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA, AS WE ENHANCE THE CITY OF AUBURN. I DO THINK THAT ROAD WILL BECOME ESSENTIAL AS WALE. SO THANK YOU ALL, AGAIN, FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ME.

I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WHO SERVE ON THE BOARD. Y'ALL ARE FANTASTIC, AND MAY GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

TAKE CARE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. SHEALY.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON CITIZENS COMMUNICATION AT THIS

[CONSENT AGENDA]

[7. Rezoning - Spring Creek Estates - PUBLIC HEARING]

AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE TO NEW

BUSINESS. >> ALL RIGHT, SO JUST LIKE I MENTIONED KIND OF OPERATING A LITTLE BIT OF A SKELETON CREW HERE, SO WE'RE DOING A GOOD BIT I THINK I GOT LIKE THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX ITEMS ACTUALLY. JUST WITH THIS APPLICANT BROUGHT SOMETHING TO BE HANDED OUT, SO GIVE THAT TO YOU ALL.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU.

THIS IS REZONING REQUEST FOR SPRING CREEK ESTATES OF APPROXIMATELY 1. 2 ACRES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION NC- 20 TO NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION NC-14. GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH COLLEGE, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS AN NC- 20 PARCEL BORDING AN NC- 14 NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE NC- 14 MEANS A LOT MINIMUM OF ROUGHLY A HALF ACRE.

NC- 14 MEANS A LOT MINIMUM OF 14,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A THIRD OF AN ACRE. OKAY, SO FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA IS NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NC- 14 AND NC- 20 ARE LOT SIZES.

THIS WOULD NOT CHANGE USES IN ANY WAY.

THIS WOULD ONLY SLIGHTLY INCREASE THE DENSITY FROM ALLOWING A THIRD OF AN ACRE LOTS VERSUS HALF ACRE LOTS.

AND SO PRETTY MUCH JUST KIND OF ON THE STAFF SIDE, THE REZONING LIKE I SAID DOESN'T AFFECT THE USE AT ALL.

REALLY JUST KIND OF ALLOWS THERE TO BE AN EXTRA LOT TO BE SUBDIVIDE. THEY CAN ALREADY SUBDIVIDE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS ONLY ONE LOT. SO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT IS KIND OF WHAT THEIR PROPOSED SUBDIVISION WOULD BE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE SUBMITTED KIND OF WITH SOME INPUT FROM THE INITIAL PRE-AP.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT HERE IS JUST THE FLOODPLAIN, FLOODWAY THAT WOULD BE PRESENT ON THE LOT SHOULD THERE BE A REZONING ISSUE, SHOULD THERE BE A FUTURE SUBDIVISION.

SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANSWER

ANY QUESTIONS. >> THIS NC- 14 IS NEARBY.

IT IS ON TWO SIDES OF IT?

>> CORRECT. SO I KNOW THAT WE GOT SOME CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THIS WOULD BE SPOT ZONING. SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ONE.

THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. SPOT ZONING IF THERE'S NO CONTINUITY WITH THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU DECIDE TO REZONE TO.

THIS IS TOUCHING NC- 14 ON BOTH SIDES.

IT WILL REALLY JUST PICK UP ANOTHER LOT.

IF WE WERE GOING ACROSS THE STREET WITH NC- 14 I COULD SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE SPOT ZONING.

THERE'S NO PRECEDENT FOR THAT. TOUCHING NC- 14 AND

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WELL. >> IS THE APPLICANT

HERE? >> HOW YOU DOING? BRANDON HAYES, HARTBROOK DEVELOPMENT.

THE THE INTENT HERE WE'VE GOT THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH UNDER CONTRACT AS WELL IS ALSO NC- 14, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE ONE FIVE- HOME SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY PRETTY NICE THE THE INTENT I WOULD IMAGINE. VERY SIMILAR TO CARMELO COURT I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT? >> YES, I DO.

WHERE'S THE SHARED DRIVE?

>> EACH PARCEL -- THREE UNITS ON THE SOUTH PARCEL WOULD SHARE ONE DRIVEWAY. THE TWO UNITS ON THE NORTH PARCEL WOULD SHARE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY.

SO THERE WOULD BE TWO DRIVEWAYS BUT THEY'RE ALREADY EXISTING. THEY'RE ALREADY TIED IN.

>> GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST -- WE DID GET AN E-MAIL FROM A LADY THAT WAS SOUTH OF THE ONE THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED TO BE REZONED, AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING SHE'S ALREADY SHARING THE DRIVEWAY WITH SOMEONE ELSE THAT IS WITH WHAT WHOEVER'S ON RIGHT

NOW. >> THE APRON ON SOUTH COLLEGE IS SHARED, BUT THEN THE DRIVEWAY SPLITS AS IT COMES OFF THE

APRON. >> RIGHT.

ON THESE THREE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE LOTS ON

THEM. >> YES,

MA'AM. >> SPLITTING IT.

WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY? ON THIS I DON'T SEE.

>> IT WOULD BE ON THE FURTHEST.

>> I FEEL LIKE IT'S ON THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY

PLIECHB. >> OKAY.

AND IT WOULDN'T BE SHOWN HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS

REZONING. >> I KNOW THAT. I'M PERFECTLY AWARE OF THAT.

>> AND WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND GOTTEN THE DRIVEWAY WAIVERS APPROVED.

LIKE, THEY HAVE APPROVED WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THE DRIVEWAYS SHOULD WE GET IT REZONED.

>> BUT IN ESSENCE YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE SHARING THIS ENTRANCE.

>> THREE.

>> THE ONE TO THE SOUTH.

>> FOUR PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE SHARING THE

APRON. >> FOUR

RESIDENTS. >> AND THEN IT SFLITS.

>> THERE'S STILL FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO ENTER AND EXIT OFF OF COLLEGE IN THAT SAME SPOT,

CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

>> THAT'S A SHARED DRIVE?

>> YES, SIR.

>> SO WITH RESPECT TO THE FLOOD ZONE, ARE ALL THREE OF THESE HOMES IN THE FLOOD ZONE OR JUST ONE OF THEM?

>> CURRENTLY THE -- THE ONE UNIT IS NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE. IF WE WERE TO HAVE THIS REZONED, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS WHAT'S CALLED A CLOMER AND A LOAMER PROCESS WHICH IS WHERE WE KIND OF AMEND THE FLOOD ZONE MAP WHERE WE OFFER COMPENSATORY STORAGE ON ONE PART OF THE LOT ON A SEPARATE PART OF THE LOT TO ALLOW US TO BUILD EITHER A RAISED FOUNDATION OR A SLAB FOUNDATION. IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN THESE WOULD BE BUILT ON A FLOODABLE CRAWLSPACE. THEY WOULD STILL BE BUILT IN THE FLOOD ZONE, BUT THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION WOULD BE OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE.

>> OKAY. >> AND SO TO KIND OF PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT, IT TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT BUFFER ZONES OF UPLAND, STRING BUFFER. THAT SOMETHING SUPER TECHNICAL.

PRETTY MUCH THOSE DESIGNATIONS, AND SOME OF THEM YOU CAN ENCROACH UPON BUT OTHERS YOU CAN'T. WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT IF YOU GUYS HAVE FURTHER KBEGZS ABOUT WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES WERE AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTING THEM OR

>> THAT WAS SUFFICIENT FOR ME.

>> I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT BECAUSE IN OUR STAFF REPORT WE WERE -- IT STATES THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE IMPACT

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DOWNSTREAM. >> YEAH, SO I REALLY NEED TOTO PITCH THAT HE'S THE ONE THAT CAN HANDLE ALL THE STORM WATER. I CAN JUST SPEAK TO THE STREAM BUFFER ENCROACHMENTS.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THINGS. SO THERE ARE STREAM BUFFERS THAT THE WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT ENFORCES, BUT THERE'S ALSO FLOODPLAIN ON THIS LOT, AND THOSE ARE BASED ON FEMA THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY. SO I BELIEVE THE COMMENT WAS THAT IT WOULD LIKELY IMPACT THE FLOODPLAIN IF THEY WERE TO SUBDIVIDE AND TRY TO DEVELOP IT. IMPACT MEANING I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVALUATED THAT.

LIKE HE WAS MENTIONING, THERE WERE VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT COULD BE EMPLOYED TO ELEVATE ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN. I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE SHARED ACCESS COMING OFF THE DRIVEWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE NECESSARILY CONFIGURED, SO THE STRUCTURES COULD BE MOVED AROUND ON THAT SITE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS. BUT ONCE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE AMOUNTS OF FIELD MAY BE ON THE FLOODPLAIN IF ANY BECAUSE THEY CAN ELEVATE AND DO FLOOD VENTS AND FLOODABLE CRAWLSPACES, SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY AFTER THIS, AND THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DEAL WITH THE FLOODPLAINS THEY'RE PROPOSING.

>> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> WHICH WAY IS THE WATER FLOW? >>

SOUTH. >> WOULD THERE HAVE TO BE ANY KIND OF STUDY AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT HOW THIS MIGHT, YOU KNOW, INTERRUPT THE FLOODPLAIN AND AFFECT THE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE FLOODPLAIN NEXT TO IT?

>> YES, SIR. WE HAVE ALREADY ENGAGED A FLOODPLAIN EXIT OUT OF BIRMINGHAM. WE HAD A ZOOM COOL I THINK IT WAS TUESDAY WITH DAN AND HIS TEAM AND ACTIVELY WORKING THROUGH THAT. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO SHOULD WE GET THE ZONING AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. HE WILL RUN MODELS AND PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO ADVERSE EFFECTS DOWNSTREAM.

>> OKAY. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR SPRING CREEK ESTATES. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS COREY REYNOLDS.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE TALLON COURT NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS SITTING JUST SOUTH OF THIS PARCEL ABOUT FIVE BLOCKS

DOWN. >> AND YOUR ADDRESS.

>> I'M SORRY, 733 SOUTH COLLEGE.

TOWN COURT ARE THE HOUSES THAT SIT ON SOUTH COLLEGE.

IT ALSO IS A MINI SUBDIVISION PER SE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS BEING BUILT WITH THAT IN MIND. THE LOTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE EACH ON AVERAGE OR SO, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A SEVENTH LOT WHICH IS USED FOR DETENTION OF WATER ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE SAME FLOODPLAIN AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THERE.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE SIX LOTS THERE THAT ARE BEING BUILT ON AND A SEVENTH LOT THAT IS UNBUILDABLE BECAUSE OF WATER ISSUES. WE ALL SIT, AGAIN, ALMOST THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE EACH. THIS IS A 1- ACRE PARCEL TO MY KNOWLEDGE WHICH IS ALREADY BEING LOOKED AT BEING HALF DIVIDED INTO HALF ACRE ALLOWANCES AND ANOTHER DIVIDED INTO A THIRD ACRE, WHICH IS VERY SMALL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP MOST OF THE HOUSES SIT ON A 1 ACRE OR 3- ACRE LOTS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROW OF SOUTH COLLEGE. SO THIS WOULD BE MUCH MORE HIGH DENSITY CONDENSED HOUSES ON A SMALL PARCEL OF LAND SIDE BY SIDE BY SIDE, WHICH IS NOT AT ALL WHAT THE REST OF SOUTHSOUTH COLLEGE LOOKS LIKE, SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS ALREADY THERE AS FAR AS THE AESTHETICS OF THE STREET. THERE'S LOTS OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.

I KNOW THE LAST FEW LOTS SOLD ON SOUTH COLLEGE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AND THERE ARE OLD HOUSES BEING TORN DOWN, BIG HOUSES BEING BUILT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO HAVE PARCELS OF LAND AND QUESTIONING HOW HIGH THOSE ARE GOING TO GO TO GET SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH BREAKS UP THE CONTINUITY OF THE STREET. SO THOSE ARE JUST CONCERNS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY, SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS,

QUESTIONS? >> NO QUESTIONS.

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>> NO, SO IT'S UNDER UNDER LOTS.

SO THE RECENT SUBDIVISION -- THE RECENT SUBDIVISION AMENDMENTS -- SO THE RECENT SUBDIVISION AMENDMENTS WE UPPED OUR ADMIN PLAT THRESHOLD TO SIX LOTS. SO WE UPPED IT FROM SIX TO FOUR TO BE IN LINE WITH THE STATE GUIDANCE FROM WHAT'S ALLOWED ININ STATE

OF ALABAMA. >> THE MY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT SHARED DRIVEWAYS. WE'RE POTENTIALLY SEEING FOUR RESIDENCES SHARING A DRIVEWAY. IS THAT A CONCERN? SHOULD THAT BE A CONCERN OF OURS? AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE APPROVED OTHER PLACES?

>> YES, I MEAN THIS IS GENERALLY THE PREFERENCE ON A STREET LIKE THIS, AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY AND EVEN COLLECTORS WE HAVE CURB SPACING IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, THAT'S ACCESSING MULTIPLE UNITS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE PREFER TO SEE THAN INDIVIDUAL CURB CUTS FOR EACH ONE. WHEN POSSIBLE AND WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

>> BUT IT'S A DRIVEWAY AS OPPOSED TO A STREET.

AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE -- ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE FIVE DRIVEWAYS VERSUS TWO, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE STOPPING TO GET INTO A DRIVE CUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT DRIVE CUT AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT CUT IN THE ROAD.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT REALLY ACCOMPLISHES MUCH FOR YOU.

>> IN OUR STAFF REPORT WAS LISTED BY -- FOR TRAFFIC THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE AN IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC TO HAVE THAT MANY -- MANY DEVELOPMENTS OFF OF ONE DRIVEWAY.

>> IT'S THE SAME DIFFERENCE.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU'VE GOT THE SAME NUMBER OF

CARS. >> IT'S JUST REDUCING THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL CONFLICT POINTS.

SO, I MEAN, IN THEORY IF YOU HAVE FIVE SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS, YOU CAN HAVE FIVE PEOPLE COMING OUT AT ONCE. THOSE ARE ALL POTENTIAL CONFLICT POINTS. SO THE LESS OF THOSE YOU HAVE, AND GENERALLY SPEAKING IT'S A BETTER SCENARIO IN TERMS OF ACCIDENT POTENTIAL, SO --

>> ON THIS BUSY OF A STREET, ONE OF THE BUSIEST IN TOWN, THE POTENTIAL IS FOR FOUR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT AT THE SAME TIME, FOUR OR FIVE TRYING TO GET IN AT THE SAME TIME.

DOES THAT NOT CAUSE CONCERN FOR THE

CITY? >> I MEAN, IT CAUSES CONCERN IN THAT, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IT WAS.

BUT WE -- WE GO THROUGH THE ANALYSES. I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE WARRANTED ANALYSES FOR THIS LOCATION. IT'S JUST THERE'S SO FEW VARIOUS TRIPS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THESE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, SINGLE FAMILY. THE AVERAGE GENERATION IS ABOUT TEN TRIPS A DAY, AVERAGE TRIP FOR ONE HOUSE DURING PEAK HOURS IS ONE TRIP. SO IT BASICALLY COMES DOWN TO EITHER ONE HALF OF A TURN DEPENDING WHICH DIRECTION YOU'RE COMING FROM.

YOU'VE GOT ONE TURN IN PER UNIT THAT CAN EITHER BE COMING FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH.

YOU'RE JUST DEALING WITH SUCH A FEW NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT IT JUST DOESN'T TRIGGER THE WARRANTS FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN -- WE DO SEE THESE KIND OF THINGS.

THERE'S SOME RELATIVELY REASONABLE ONES WHERE THEY HAVE THE SAME THING WHEN IT COMES TO CURB CAN CUT REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU HAVE CURB CUTS AT THAT HIGH-SPEED. SO THEY REQUIRE A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY THAT HAS ONE ACCESS AND SPLITS OFF AND ACCESSES MULTIPLE

HOMES. >> I'M NO EXPERT ON FLOODPLAINS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT DISTURBING, AGAIN, THE FLOODPLAIN IN THIS AREA. SO WHAT KIND OF -- I MEAN IS THIS A -- IS THIS A BIG DEAL MITIGATION THAT HAS TO GO ON HERE, OR IS THIS SOMETHING RUN OF THE MILL, OR CAN YOU CATEGORIZE IT? TO ME IT SEEMS ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS ARE GOING JUST FINE, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER HOUSES ON THE FLOODPLAIN, AND YOU'RE GOING TO DISTURB IT AGAIN AND MAYBE MAKE IT WORSE FOR EVERYBODY ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH

THAT. >> I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S RUN OF ANY TIME THERE'S PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN IT HAS TO GET LOOKED

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OUT. >> WHO LOOKS AT IT OTHER THAN THE CITY? YOU MENTIONED

FEMA. >> I WOULD SAY, I'M JUST ROUNDING BUT 90% OF THE TIME FEMA IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN SCENARIOS LIKE THIS.

THERE ARE SOME SCENARIOS IT'S SUCH A SMALL IMPACT THEY CAN DO IT WITHOUT INVOLVING FEMA IN ONE OF THEIR FORMALIZED PROCESSES.

>> AND SO WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR AS AN OUTCOME LIKE, OKAY, I'M GOING TO PUT THIS IN THERE AND I WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT SHOULD WHEN IT'S DONE.

WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF THE

OUTCOMES? >> I MEAN IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE. THEY'LL DO A LOT OF SURVEYING, MODELS ACROSS EVERYTHING, MATCH IT UP WITH EXISTING STUDIES, UPDATE IT WHERE POSSIBLE WITH NEW DATA. RUN THAT MODEL, CREATE THE NEW DATA WITH NEW FLOWS, NEW FLOODPLAINS AND EVERYTHING, LOOK AT IT, FILL OUT A LOT OF FORMS, SUBMIT IT TO US. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND IMPROVE IT, SIGN SOME OF THOSE FORMS --

>> AND THEN IT IMPACTS WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE IN.

>> THAT'S JUST THE PROCESS FOR THEM TO PROPOSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO FEMA FOR A PRELIMINARY PROCESS LIKE THEY REVIEW IT AND THEY'VE GOT 90 DAYS TO LOOK AT IT. THEY'LL SEND IT BACK WITH COMMENTS AND IF THERE'S ANY MODIFICATIONS NEEDED, SORT OF APPROVE, REJECT IT, OR MODIFY IT AT THAT POINT.

AND THAT WHEN THEY GET IT FINALIZED ALLOWS THEM TO START GOING OUT THERE AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. WHEN IT'S DONE AT THE END THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND BUILD EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS APPROVED BY

FEMA. >> OKAY, SOUNDS PRETTY

RIGOROUS. >> IT IS, AND ONE IS GETTING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY AND THAT MODEL WILL TELL YOU BASICALLY WHAT THE STEPS NEED TO BE, AND WITHOUT DIGGING TOO DEEP INTO IT. WE TALK ABOUT RISE OF FLOODS, AND IT'S RISING 0. 10 OF A FLOOD THAT TRIGGERS THE

PROCESS. >> THE OTHER THING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WAS MENTIONED INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THE CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THE CHARACTER -- I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT TALON COURT MYSELF. I THINK THAT'S A VALID CONCERN GOING FORWARD WITH THIS.

>> APPLICANT, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL.

WHAT IS THE TOTAL OF BOTH LOTS?

>> ACREAGE BOTH LOTS I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO 2, MAYBE 1.9. YEAH.

IT WOULD BE FIVE -- FIVE THIRDS OF AN ACRE LOT.

I KNOW MR. DAVIS MENTIONED WOULD WE HAVE TO COME BACK IF THIS WERE TO GET APPROVED AT ANY POINT? I DON'T KNOW PER Y'ALL'S RULES, BUT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO OFFER IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT A CONDITION IF YOU APPROVE THE ZONING, WE CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT IT ALMOST LIKE A PUTT PROCESS AT SOME POINT IF THAT'S A STICKING POINT.

>> I GUESS IT CAN GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION I GUESS IF THEY SO CHOOSE. THE APPLICANT WOULD VOLUNTEER TO SEND AN ADMIN PLAT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT COULD BE THAT.

>> IT HAS TO BE A CONDITION FROM US, THOUGH?

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CONDITION. IT'S SOMETHING THEY CAN DO.

>> HOW MANY STRUCTURES DO YOU PLAN TO PUT ON, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET?

>> THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY 3,500 SQUARE FEET.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY BIG. THEY WON'T BE AS BIG AS TALON'S COURT. THEY'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE NICE GREEN SPACE, AND THERE'S A 75- FOOT BUILDING SETBACK ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, SO IT'S ACTUALLY DEEDED THAT WAY.

SO 65 FEET -- 65- FOOT BUILDING SETBACK WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS DEEDED BACK IN THE 1930S THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND, SO NONE OF THESE HOUSES CAN BE BUILT CLOSER THAN 65 FEET OF SOUTH

COLLEGE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANTS OR STAFF? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS,

COMMISSIONERS? >> I -- I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS CHANGE.

THE DEVELOPER CAN ALREADY SUBDIVIDE AS IT IS.

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SO FOR THOSE REASONS I WON'T BE

SUPPORTING. >> HERE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE FLOOR TO BE VOTED ON.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GET US STARTED HERE AND MOVE TO

APPROVE. >>

SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? IF YOU MAY, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE?

>> YES, MA'AM. NONET

REESE. >>

YES. >> DANA

CAMP. >> NO.

>> CHANSLER. NO.

>> DAVID WIZDRUM, JENNIFER STEPHENS.

>> MOW.

>> OSCAR MOSELEY.

>> YES. >> WALKER DAVIS.

>> NO.

>> THANK YOU. THIS GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION -- I MEAN CITY

COUNCIL? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

[8. Preliminary Plat - Northern Pines - PUBLIC HEARING]

HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS NORTHERN -- SO THIS IS NORTHERN PINES PRELIMINARY PLAT. THIS IS UP AT THE CORNER OF FARMVILLE AND 280. THIS CAME IN ANXATION THEN TO A PDD AND THEN INCREASED BUFFER TO ACHIEVE EXTRA DENSITY TO MEET THEIR NUMBERS, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE. SO THE TOWNHOMES ARE CONCENTRATED IN THE BACK OF IT. Y'ALL REMEMBER THIS WAS REZONED TO DDH WITH THE PDD OVERLAY. LIKE I SAID THEY ADDED EXTRA BUFFER SPACE TO ACHIEVE THE DENSITY THAT THEY WERE AFTER. ALL RIGHT, SO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY PERMITTED FOR RESIDENTIAL IS 5.

5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS BELOW THE ALLOWED DENSITY AND ALL PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL USES WERE APPROVED AS A PART OF THE MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. APPROVAL TO DESIGNATE THE PLANNED DISTRICT OVERLAY GRANTED 10% INCREASE IN THE BASE DENSITY TO ACHIEVE THE DENSITY IN THE EXCHANGE OF THE BUFFERS. SO YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE LOTS, LIKE THE LOTS TOWARDS THE FRONT UP ON FARMVILLE ROAD, THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY LEFT OUT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S AN MDD TIED TO THIS AS WELL, AND THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PART. THERE WEREN'T SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS FROM STAFF. THERE WAS JUST A CONDITION THEY FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE 20- FOOT BUFFER AS A PART OF THE EXCHANGE OF THE PDD.

>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU.

THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NORTHERN PINES PRELIMINARY PLAT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE DO SO.

GOOD EVENING.

>> GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE Y'ALL? I'M BECKY THORNTON, AND WE'RE AT 325 -- I ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- WHERE IS THIS COMING FOR?

>> IT WAS THE PLANNING

COMMISSION. >> I'M GETTING MY PLANNING COMMITTEES CONFUSED. WE ASKED ABOUT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS AND SOMETHING CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE. THOSE DO JUST BUTT STRAIGHTLY DIRECTLY INTO OUR PROPERTY. I'M SORRY, BUT YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE.

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THESE PEOPLE HAVEN'T DONE SOMETHING WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S A WOODED PART OF OUR YARD. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME WANDER.

WE CAN PUT UP A FENCE, PUT UP NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.

YOU KNOW HOW CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE.

THEY JUST SEE THAT AND RESIDENTS, THEY JUST SEE BOTH OF THOSE AS, HEY, I CAN CROSS OVER HERE, THIS MUST BE NO-MAN'S-LAND, THIS MUST NOT BE ANYONE'S PROPERTY.

I THINK IT WAS STATED BEFORE THIS WAS LOTTED WITH TUSCANY HILLS. WE DON'T TOUCH TUSCANY HILLS.

WHATEVER THE DEVELOPERS DID THEY PUT THIS LOT UP FOR SALE.

WE PURCHASED IT AS ONE CHUNK. SO, IF SOMETHING CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE ROADS. I KNOW CITY WANTS ROAD FLOW HERE, HERE, AND HERE. WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT IN THE PAST ON OTHER LOTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO CLOSE THEM. I MEAN, Y'ALL PUT UP BARRICADES. DO YOU PUT UP -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT. A CLOSED CUL-DE- SAC THAT YOU CAN OPEN UP IF ONE DAY IN A HUNDRED YEARS RESELL THE PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE NOT INTENDING ON RESELLING ANYTIME SOON SO --

>> DO YOU USE FLAGSTONE AS YOUR

DRIVEWAY? >> DO.

WE DO. THAT IS OUR DRIVEWAY OFF OF FLAGSTONE BECAUSE WE CAN GET A 280 ACCESS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A GUARDRAIL ON OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S A GULLY AND A GUARDRAIL. THE WATER COMES UNDER THE ROAD FROM WHERE THE COUNTY USED TO HAVE THEIR DUMP SO WE USE FLAGSTONE AS OUR

DRIVEWAY. >>

OKAY. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I KNOW THIS IS THE REZONING PART, BUT AS FAR AS IT GOES THOSE TWO, THAT'S ALL. I MEAN, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO PUT IN -- THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN HOW MANY HOUSES THEY WANT TO BUT --

>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE

REQUESTING. >> OKAY.

I MEAN -- BUT OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

>> WE LIVE AT 2801 EAST FARMVILLE, THE LARGE LOT, THE LARGE LOT OUT THERE ON THE ROAD.

>> THE LEFT OF THE DEVELOPMENT?

>> TO THE SOUTH.

>> DUE SOUTH, GOT IT.

>> WHAT IS THE OFFSET THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE? THOSE LOTS COME RIGHT UP TO OUR PROPERTY

LINE. >> EXCUSE ME, SO PUBLIC MEETINGS AREN'T Q&AS.

SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, YOU CAN STATE IT AND WE'LL ANSWER IT AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> SO YOU WANT TO KNOW THE SETBACK, ALL THE.

>> WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS AND ALSO WHAT ARE THE RULES AROUND THE WETLAND? THERE'S A CREEK THAT RUNS RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THEIR

DRIVEWAY. >>

OKAY. >> THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU.

PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY, SEEING NO ONE, SETBACKS, WETLANDS, AND CONNECTIVITY. OH, I'M SO SORRY, I DIDN'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, YES.

>> IF YOU CAN ASK THE WETLAND QUESTION FIRST AND THEN I'LL GET YOUR ANSWER ON THE

SETBACKS. >> WETLANDS.

I GUESS IS THAT WATER RESOURCE OR

ENGINEERING? >> THERE'S A STANDARD APPROACH TO DEALING WITH THAT, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'LL JUST TAKE A SEAT.

THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S A STARBOARD APPROACH FOR ALL DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS NATURE.

THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DELINEATE ANY WETLANDS, AND THERE WILL BE MITIGATION IF THERE'S AN IMPACT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> WHICH ARE ALSO STANDARD.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S JUST STANDARD

PROCESS. >> THAT MITIGATION IS REQUIRED PERMITTED THROUGH THE CORP OF ENGINEERS, NOT US.

>> CORRECT.

>> BUT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US BEFORE WE GO THROUGH WITH DEVELOPMENT.

>> OKAY. AND ENGINEERING CONNECTIVITY.

WHAT ARE -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS WOULD BE FOR THIS PARTICULAR 12- ACRE SECTION NEXT DOOR.

>> YEAH, SO I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE LOCATIONS WHEN SHE WAS INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, SO MAY NEED SOME CLARITY ON WHAT -- I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, I

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IS. >> I THINK BARRIERS ON

THOSE -- >> ON THE STOVE OUT.

AND IS THE STOVE OUT A REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY FROM A CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT OR

JUST -- >> CAN WE JUST PUT A -- SOME STOVE OUTS HAVE A ROUNDABOUT.

>> SOMETIMES THERE'S A CURVE OR SOMETHING THERE.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHICH DIRECTION IT'S FLOWING -- WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.

>> OKAY, DOES THAT NEED US TO PUT ANYTHING ON THIS AS A COMMENT OR CONDITION?

NO. >> IT WOULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE TEETH TO IT IF YOU DID.

>> AND BEFORE YOU MOVE ON JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE GOING TO BLOCK OFF THE TWO STOVEUTS THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE

STREETS -- >> I WOULDN'T SAY BLOCK THEM LIKE A PERMANENT BLOCK THEM OFF.

IT'S LIKE A CURVE. ACROSS THE END OF IT, IT WOULD JUST DETER. I THINK THE CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET SOME ROGUE TRAFFIC GOING DOWN THERE AND NOT REALIZING, BUT IT WOULD DETER STUFF LIKE

THAT. >> NOW TO YOU.

SETBACKS.

>> PERFECT. SO FRONT SIDE STREETS ARE 10 FEET, SIDE UNITS IS 10 FEET, AND THEN REAR ARE 15

FEET. >> SO FROM THE CLOSEST POINT TO HIS PARTICULAR LOT WOULD BE 15 FEET?

>> YES, BUT THERE'S THERE'S ALSO THE BUFFERS THAT KNOW AROUND IT AS WELL, AND SO THAT'S -- 20 FEET IS THE NUMBER YOU SHOULD THINK OF NOT --

>> I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT LOT

16. >>

RIGHT. >> IT SEEMS TO BE

TOUCHING. >> YEAH, I AGREE WITH

THAT. >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO THERE'S A BUFFER UNDER -- I GUESS I COULD MEASURE IT WITH A SCALE REAL QUICK.

>> THERE'S NO SETBACK FOR THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S A SETBACK FOR THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY NOT THE STRUCTURE.

SO THERE'S A 15- FOOT MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK.

THERE'S A 20- FOOT REQUIRED BUFFER PART OF THE PDD ON THIS AND THE STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 25 AWAY BACK THERE ON THAT SIDE.

IN REGARDS TO I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WAS BEING ASKED IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE ROAD STUMPS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IF YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH THERE DRT AND US COULD FIGURE OUT -- I DON'T -- IF YOU SAY IN YOUR -- IN YOUR CONDITION THAT WE WORK ON TRYING TO FORM SOME FORM OF A BLOCKING, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS GETTING SO SPECIFIC THAT IT TIES OUR HANDS AND WE COME BACK HERE TO GET YOU GUYS TO APPROVE A TECHNICALITY. SO THE GOAL IS TO NEVER WHEN WE DO THESE THINGS IS MAKE THEM IN A WAY PEOPLE CAN TRAVERSE, AND THE CITY WANTS TO PAY AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE PROPERTY LINE, SO THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP THE TAB IN THE FUTURE, YET THERE'S GRADE ISSUES. IT'S NOT FLAT ESPECIALLY OUT HERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE DEGRADATION WHERES THE ROAD DOES AND THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE AND WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.

LIKE THEY SAID STREAMS OR WETLANDS ARE GOVERNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

SO THAT'S A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND PERMIT THROUGH, AND WE'RE ALREADY AT THE START OF THOSE APPLICATIONS. AND SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,

COMMISSIONERS? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE PRELIMINARY PLAT 202504 WITH THE CONDITION OF SOME TYPE OF BARRIER PUT ON AT THE STUB OUTS AT THE END OF THE STREET AND STAFF DRIVE.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

[9. Preliminary Plat - Longleaf Crossing Phase 8 - PUBLIC HEARING]

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8. >> THANK YOU. SO THIS IS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 12 BLOCK RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, TEN TOWNHOUSE LOTS, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT LOT, AND ONE REMNANT PARCEL. SO THIS IS A PART OF MASS DEVELOPMENT PLANS. FUTURE SUBJECT OF THE PROPERTY IS PDD. THE DESIGNATION IS DESIGNED AS EXISTING AREA AND COLLEGE CROSSING PDDS AS PROOF OF THIS AREA RESIDENTIAL WITH AN AVERAGE 5. 5 BILLION IT'S AN ACRE.

UPDATED PLAN SHOWS EXISTING PHASES AND THE PROJECTS FOR FUTURE AND UPDATED PLAN STREET NETWORK. SO THIS IS RELEVANT. ANY TIME WE GET AN EXISTING MDP, THERE MUST BE AN UPDATED AS WELL.

SO IT ALSO GOES WITH REQUIREMENT THERE IS 15% OPEN SPACE, AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE CONDITION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT AS WELL, THAT 15% OF OPEN SPACE IS SOMETHING DEEDED BY THE TIME WE GO TO FINAL PLAT.

THE APPROVED SUBDIVISION IS 13. 8 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT LINE AND 14. 9 AN ACRE CONSIDERING FUTURE CONSENT AGENDA LOT.

THEY'RE PART OF THE SAME PHASE. THEY'VE JUST GOT TO COME IN PIECES. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND AND THE APPLICANT HOW WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND REFERENCING THE CONDITION ON THE BACK END OF THE REPORT THAT 15% HAS TO BE INCLUDED WITH IT.

AND SO THEN YOU ALSO JUST THE MAXIMUM STAGING OF THE DENSITY UP TO 14, AND WE'RE KIND OF BUMPING UP AGAINST IT.

SO THIS PHASE IS TOWNHOMES, AND IT'LL ZRING OFF THAT NUMBER.

ONCE AGAIN WHEN THEY DO COME IN AND FURTHER SUBDIVIDE, WE'LL GET A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND WE'LL GET THE 15% SUBMITTED AS WELL. SO THE UPDATED MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS SUBMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS, AND WE'LL GET THE 15% FIGURED OUT BY THE TIME WE GO TO FINAL PLAT.

WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO ANSWER

>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE?

>> THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR LONGLEAF CROSSING PHASE 8. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, HOW MUCH QUESTIONS, MOTIONS?

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE PRELIMINARY PLAT 2025- 005 WITH STAFF

CONDITIONS. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

[10. Preliminary Plat - Links Crossing Phase 5 - PUBLIC HEARING]

>> SO PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR 14- LOT SINGLE FAMILY CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. AT THE OUTSET THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND PERFORMANCE. PERFORMANCE REQUIRES THERE'S OPEN SPACE REQUIRED WITH IT.

CONVENTIONAL DOES NOT. ALL RIGHT, JUST WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION FOUND IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ISIS TO MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS IN LINE WITH THAT. THE PROPOSED IS 3.34 UNITS PER ACRE. THE PROPOSED USE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH 3. 4 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE IS IN LINE WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE LOW MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. SO THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ONE.

THERE WERE JUST GENERAL STAFF COMMENTS.

>> OKAY, THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LINKS CROSSING PHASE 5.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

KMIGERS? >> MOVE TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR

[11. Preliminary Plat - Tiger Crossing Subdivision - PUBLIC HEARING ]

PP-2025-006. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THIS NEXT REQUEST FOR YOU IS

[00:55:05]

AND TWIN HOME AND TOWNHOUSES ARE BOTH PERMITTED USES IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH RECOMMENDS A DENSITY OF FOUR DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. HOWEVER, THE ZONING -- THE CDD ZONING ALLOWS UP TO 9 1/2 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. WHILE THERE IS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THESE TWO, THE ZONING TAKES PREFERENCE OVER LAND USE WHEN APPROVING A PLAT BETWEEN THE TWO.

THIS NEXT EXHIBIT IS A COPY OF THE PROPOSED PLAT. THE 132- RESIDENTIAL LOTS EQUALS 6. 3 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. THE CDD ZONING DISTRICT LIKE I SAID WOULD ALLOW UP TO 9. 5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WHICH WOULD PERMIT UP TO 198 UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. FOR A PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CDD THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS 25% OF THE OVERALL PROPERTY.

THIS WOULD EQUAL ABOUT 5. 2 ACRES, AND THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE PROPERTY AS OPEN SPACE.

THAT'S ABOUT 6. 5 ACRES. THE MAJORITY OF LOTS -- THE MAJORITY OF LOTS WILL TAKE ACCESS FROM A NUMBER OF PRIVATE STREETS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

ONE HERE, ONE, TWO, THREE HERE AND TWO HERE.

HOWEVER, FOR PUBLIC STREETS OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS REQUIRE THE CONTINUATION AND CONNECTION OF STREETS BETWEEN ADJOINING PROPERTIES. THIS HELPS TO ESTABLISH A MORE EVEN DISTRIBUTION OF TRAFFIC AND IMPROVES THE PROVISION OF EMERGENCY SERVICES. THE STUB OUT TO HICKORY WOODS DRIVE THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE 1987 PLAT FOR HICKORY HICKORY WOODS ESTATES INDICATES THE THE INTENT TO PROVIDE THAT FUTURE CONNECTION. AND THIS PLAT TAKES THAT CONNECTION FOR THE PUBLIC STREET OF HICKORY WOODS DRIVE AND EXTENDS IT THROUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THROUGH CAMP DRIVE. AND A TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY STAFF. THERE IS A 10- FOOT BUFFER REQUIRED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE EXCEPT FOR THE EASTERN PORTION HERE ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONS A REQUEST FROM PARKS AND REC TO INCREASE THE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE ADJACENT TO DINIOUS PARK.

AND SINCE THE STAFF REPORT WAS PUBLISHED, THE APPLICANTS HAS PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS AREA.

THOSE INCLUDE AN INCREASE IN THE REQUIRED PUFFER FROM 10 TO 20 FEET ALONG THIS PORTION ABUTTING -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THIS SUBDIVISION.

IT'S TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HERE. AND THEN A FIVE TO SIX- FOOT WROUGHT IRON METAL STANDING FENCE HERE. THERE WILL BE A GATE ON THE FENCE WITH A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE SIDEWALK HERE ALONG THE PUBLIC STREET THAT WILL CONNECT UP TO CAMP DRIVE.

>> TO SAY THE FENCE AGAIN, IS THAT GOING TO COVER THE WHOLE DISTANCE OR THE PORTION --

>> IT WILL JUST BE THE PORTION TO DINIOUS PARK.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR IT PROPERTY. OF THE REQUIRED PLANTINGS FOR A DEVELOPMENT SITE 40% OF THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO BE IN A BUFFER AREA. LIKE I MENTIONED THERE ARE BUFFERS REQUIRED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE EXCEPT ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION. A TOTAL OF 263 INCHES IS REQUIRED FOR THE SITE, ESO THAT WOULD REQUIRE 110 OF THOSE TREE INCHES IT BE SOMEWHERE WIN THE BUFFERS LOCATED ON THE SITE. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SUBMITTED INDICATES ROUGHLY 40% OF THOSE PLANTINGS TO BE PLANTED ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THE HICKORY WOODS ESTATES

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AND UPON ADDRESSING STAFF COMMENTS THEY'RE MAINLY TOP GRAPHICICAL IN NATURE.

THERE IS A CONDITION AN EASEMENT BE PROVIDED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND DINIOUS PARK, AND THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THERE ARE GRANTS TO DO THAT.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? APPLICANT, DO YOU WISH TO REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT WHO ARE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPERS ON THIS SITE. WE'RE HERE TO HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP AND ADDRESS THOSE. I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS AS WELL SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TIGER TIGER CROSSING SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PLAT.

PLEASE COME FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE TO

SPEAK. >> MY NAME IS OLIVIA ENGLES.

I'M A RESIDENT OF 370 BUTTERNUT DRIVE. I'M HERE TODAY WITH MANY HICKORY RESIDENTS, IF YOU GUYS WILL RAISE YOUR HANDS AND OTHER SUPPORTERS. OUR HOPE TODAY IS TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS. AND IF THAT PLAT DOES GO AHEAD AND BE APPROVED WE HOPE THAT OUR CONCERNS AND OUR CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT WILL IMPROVE THIS DESIGN ARE TAKEN INTO YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST -- THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE DENSITY.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THE CONNECTIONS TO HICKORY WOODS DRIVE. IT WILL DANGEROUSLY INCREASE TRAFFIC INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO IT FACT WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMMONLY USED FOR WALKING, JOGGING, AND CHILDREN PLAYING. THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS THE FACT THEY WILL LIKELY BE RENTED. THIS WILL BE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE PEOPLE YOU ATTRACT INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS ALSO NOT BE IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL UNIQUE STYLE OF HICKORY WOODS. THE STYLE WILL ALSO BE CLEAR- CUT TO MAKE ROOM FOR TOWNHOMES AND THAT WILL CAUSE LOSS OF SIGNIFICANT HABITAT AND VALUE TO SURROUNDING HOMES. AS MENTIONED IN THE AGENDA THIS PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED IN THE 2030 FUTURE COMPREHENSIVE USE PLAN TO BE LOADED IN RESIDENTIAL WHICH WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE HICKORY WOODS SUBDIVISION. IT WAS PLANNED TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, AND WE PLAN TO GO AFTER THAT, AND I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN QUITE A FEW SIGNATURES FOR THAT. ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS IS THE BUFFERING, THE CURRENT BUFFERING ALONG THE LOTS OF HICKORY WOODS TO THE I BELIEVE IT'S THE WEST IS ONLY 10 FEET. EVEN IF THIS WAS UX TENDED TO 30 OR 50 FEET, THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE THE HOUSES ARE UP ON STILTS. THEY'RE VERY HIGH.

ANY AMOUNT OF BUFFERING WOULD STILL RUIN THE VIEW OF THE BACKS OF THOSE HOMES DUE TO THAT.

NOT ONLY DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT DECAPITATE THE PARK AND THE ENTIRE NORTH EAST PORTION, IT ALSO TAKES AWAY VALUE FROM THE HOMES, LIKE I SAID, AND IT WILL GREATLY INCREASE LIGHT AND NOISE POLLUTION. THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING A GROSS DENSITY OF 6. 5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

WHILE THIS DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR PERFORMANCE USE IN THE CDD, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE OATS NOT IN KEEPING WITH HICKORY WOODS. THIS IS NOT A REALISTIC REPRESENTATION OF DENSITY.

IF YOU WERE TO EXCLUDE ALL OPEN SPACE AND STORM WATER POND AREAS FROM THAT CALCULATION, YOUR DENSITY WOULD BE CLOSER TO 9. 9 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THIS AREA WAS ACTUALLY MEANT TO BE A SECONDARY PHASE OF HICKORY WOODS, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED THIS WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN KEEPING WITH THE CURRENT IS NOT TO MENTION THAT THE OCCUPANCY AND THE CDD ALLOWS UP TO FIVE UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS TO LIVE IN A DWELLING UNIT. THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC COULD BEBE THAN 12-FOLD. WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DANGER IN CONNECTION TO THIS SECTION OF HICKORY WOODS DRIVE. I'LL BE FOLLOWED UP BY ANOTHER CITIZEN WHO HAS OTHER CONCERNS, AND THEN HE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS THE RECOMMENDED ADVICE THAT WE HAVE TO -- IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE -- THE --

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>> GOOD EVENING.

>> HEY, Y'ALL. BEFORE WE START THE TIME, WE ACTUALLY HAD A PRESENTATION THAT WAS E- MAILED EARLIER IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP,

PLEASE. >> LIKE I SAID WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE IT, BUT THEY DID -- EVERYONE DID RECEIVE THE E- MAIL, SO THEY DID SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO YOU CAN JUST REFERENCE IT ON YOUR

PHONE. >> WELL, I DON'T HAVE ON MY PHONE. I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID WE COULD PULL

IT UP. >> NO, SINCE THE DECISION WAS MADE JUST NOT TO SHARE THE

PRESENTATION. >> OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. I GUESS WE CAN START THE TIME NOW. HI, Y'ALL.

MY NAME IS JOSH POOLE AND MY FAMILY HAS HAPPILY LIVED AT 334 HICKORY WOODS DRIVE FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU YOU THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY FOR GIVING US TIME TO COMMENT. WE ARE NOT MVS AND WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT YOUR ENEMY. WE ARE NOT NAIVE TO THE RIGHT A PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED IN ANY WAY THE OWNER SEES FIT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE APPROVAL BY THE CITY.

WE WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT WE ARE, AGAIN, EXTENDING OUR PARTNERSHIP IN GOOD FAITH AS FELLOW STAKEHOLDERS AND WITH A SIMPLE -- WITH A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD OF EXPERTS THAT WANT TO HELP IN A DESIGN OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY.

I'D LIKE TO REINTRODUCE YOU TO HIS DESIGN.

IT'S NOT UP THERE, BUT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OF THE PREVIOUS PLAT APPLICATION APPROVED IN 2020, IF YOU GOT THAT E- MAIL, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF 45 QUARTER ACRE LOTS OF SINGLE- FAMILY HOMES IS A MUCH BETTER FIT WITH THE ZONING OF THE CITY'S FUTURE PLAN.

AN IMPORTANT POINT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE PEDESTRIAN POINT WITH A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND REMOVABLE BALLARD FOR SERVICE VEHICLE ACCESS.

ALSO CRITICAL UPDATE MR. PETERS FIXED THAT IS ALSO CURRENT ON THE PRESENT PLAN IS THE UNCONNECTIVE DATA LAYOUTS WHICH DOES NOT ENCOURAGE EASE OF KECKATIVITY, TRAFFIC FLOW, OR UTILITIES. AS OLIVIA PREVIOUSLY POINTED OUT, NOT ONLY DOES THIS PLAN NOT APPROPRIATELY FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHARACTER OR PLANNING BUT ALSO FAILS TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT OPEN RECREATION SPACE.

THE APPLICATION PACKET CLAIMS 6. 58 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE BUT ONLY SHOWS LESS THAN 2. 38 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. ASSUMING THIS 2. 38 ACRES DOES NOT THECLUDE PARKING LOTS, WHICH WOULD FURTHER DECREASE THIS, THE REST IS NOT CONSIDERABLE OPEN SPACE AS IT HAS INGRESS, EGRESS, OR UTILITY OUTLETS OR UTILITY LAYOUTS. I REALIZE THAT IMPACT STUDIES FOR SOME REASON AREN'T CONSIDERED UNTIL LATER IN THE PROCESS. HOW CAN CITY PLANNING IN ANY CAPACITY ETHICALLY APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT WITH OVER 12- TIME TRAFFIC INCREASE WITH NO CONCEPT OF THAT IMPACT? ALONG WITH THE LOSS OF 21 ACRES OF MATURE HARDWOOD FORESTED HABITAT NEAR THE HEART OF THE CITY WITH NO IDEA OF WETLAND IMPACTS.

WE SEE THIS PROCESS REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE. I KNOW THIS IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR PURVIEW BUT CONSIDER THE LONG TIME CONSEQUENCE OF THIS POOR INVESTMENT.

UNFORTUNATELY, COPPER BEACH IS AN EXAMPLE.

THIS PROPERTY WILL ONLY REMAIN ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS IN WHICH IT WILL DEPRECIATE AND INCREASING TRAFFIC, PLACING STRAIN ON UTILITIES AND INFLUX TO LOCAL SCHOOLS NOT ANTICIPATED BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY WAS INTENDED FOR STUDENTS AND YOUNG PROFESSIONALS NOT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. WHEREAS AS A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY USES HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED NOT ONLY BETTER FITS THE AREA BUT ALSO FUTURE PLAN OF THE CITY AND WILL APPRECIATE IN VALUE.

A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS WENT INTO THE 2030 MASTER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE CONSTANTLY HEAR OF POOR PLANNING AND APPROVALS WITH NO REAL TRAJECTORY OTHER THAN GROWTH. THAT 2035 PROVIDES A BLUE PRECIPITATE FOR THE FUTURE AND I URGE THE CITY AND PLANNING COMMISSION TO HOLD TO THAT.

THIS HIGH PERFORMANCE AND DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT FIT THAT ESPECIALLY FOR THE REZONING OF

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YOU THE PLANNING COMMISSION EXIST BECAUSE YOU PROVIDE THE NECESSARY SUBJECTIVE HUMANITY AND REASONING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. JUST LIKE IN 2022 WE WERE EAGER TO WORK WITH A DEVELOPER THROUGH THIS PROCESS THROUGH DRT AND BEYOND. AND IT'S A WIN, WIN, WIN FOR US, THEM, AND THE CITY, AND WHAT AN EXCELLENT PRECEDENT THAT WOULD SET. THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND LISTENING, AND WE WANT TO BUILD A PARTNERSHIP FOR SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS US ALL.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS ROB.

I LIVE AT 357 BUTTERNUT DRIVE. I SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED PREVIOUSLY ESPECIALLY THE TRAFFIC THIS HIGH PERFORMANCE HIGH DEVELOPMENT WOULD PUT ON OUR ROADWAY. HOWEVER, I'M ALSO A RELIST AND I UNDERSTAND MANY OF THE UNDEVELOPED AREAS IN OUR CITY WILL BECOME DEVELOPED OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WHEN WE SPOKE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THREE YEARS AGO, YOU ALL EXPRESSED THE SAME SENTIMENT TO US. JUST AS I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO TELL ME I I CAN PUT A FLOWER BED ON MY PROPERTY, I KNOW MR. HALEY DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TELLING HIM WHAT HE CAN DO WITH HIS PROPERTY. HOWEVER, WE FEEL THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A SENSIBLE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR ANY LAND DEVELOPED IN THE SILTY FOR THE VITALITY OF THE CITY, THE SAFETY, WELL- BEING, AND LIVEABILITY OF AUBURN CITIZENS. WE REALIZE THIS 231 ACRES IS PRIME REAL ESTATE THAT WOULD EVENTUALLIY DEVELOPED, BUT WE ASK YOU TO ENSURE IT IS SENSIBLY AND SAFELY DEVELOPED FOR ALL CITIZENS. WITH THIS IN MIND WE'D LIKE TO OFFER SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS PLAT.

IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IT WAS EXPRESSED THE CITY WANTS MORE ACCESS POINTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO CONNECT IT IS NOT SAFE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND WILL FURTHER CAUSE CONGESTION AT THE GLEN AND HICKORY WOODS CONNECTION. DR. PETERS ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS DEVELOPED A PLAN THAT WOULD TURN THE END WITH A CUL-DE-SAC THAT CONNECTS A BRIDGE WITH TWO DEVELOPMENTS. IT WOULD HAVE REMOVAL BOLLARDS FOR CITY VEHICLES AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.

WE SUBMITTED A DRAWING TO IT PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHICH YOU ALL HAVE. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR GREATER CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS WHILE LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON HICKORY WOODS DRIVE. WE'D LIKE TO ASK THE BUFFER BE INCREASED FROM 10 FEET TO 25 FEET TO MAINTAIN ALL CURRENT CANOPY TO INCREASE PRIVACY AND INHIBIT LIGHT AND NOISE POLLUTION WITH A PRIVACY SENSE FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT WILL CREATE CHALLENGES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HICKORY WOODS. WE FEEL THAT INCREASING THE NATURAL LIGHT BUFFER AND PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT FENCING AND VEGETATION WILL BE HELPFUL TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS WHILE ALSO PROVIDING SAFETY AND SECURITY. BEGIN ALL CONSTRUCTION AT THE KENT DRIVE LOCATION. IT'S THE ONLY OPTION THAT WILL ALLOW THE RESIDENTS OF HICKORY WOOD TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE CONNECTION. THIS PROPERTY ADJOINS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNED BY MR. HALEY AND WOULD ALLOW GREATER ACCESS TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND SERVICES. IN NO WAY WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO USE HICKORY WOOD DRIVE AS A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE.

PROVIDE SPEED MITIGATION ALONG HICKORY WOODS DRIVE.

WITH THE WIDENESS OF HICKORY WOODS DRIVE THERE'S A TENDENCY FOR RESIDENTS TO SPEED.

WE ASK SPEED MITIGATION BE PUT IN PLACE AND THAT THE NEW COMMUNITY BE GATED IF THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IS REFUSED. ALSO SINCE THIS IS CONTINUATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULD LIKE ACCESS TO ALL THE AMENITIES IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TO BE IN ADDITION TO TO HICKORY WOODS, WE REALIZE YOU MUST MAKE

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WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CITY AND ALL AUBURN RESIDENTS. I'M SURE THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU LOVE ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE REASONS WHY YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE WHERE YOU LIVE. PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO CONSIDER THE MITIGATION YOU WOULD WANT IN PLACE IF A HIGH DENSITY, HIGH PERFORMANCE DEVELOPMENT WERE PLACED ADJACENT TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT THE LIVEABILITY OF YOUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD? ALL RESIDENTS OF AUBURN WANT SIMILAR THINGS.

WE WANT TO LIVE IN A SAFE, SECURE, AND LIVABLE CITY.

WE WANT OUR LEADERS TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT ALL POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND IMPACTS ON ALL RESIDENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ALSO FOR YOUR SERVICE TO AUBURN AND ITS

CITIZENS. >> THANK YOU.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING?

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RON. WE HAVE A PROPERTY ON KENT DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR EARLIER ABOUT THE AESTHETIC APPEAL ON SOUTH COLLEGE.

THAT WAS VERY BOLD. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I HAVE QUESTIONS I'M NOT ALLOWED TO ASK I'M GOING TO PUT OUT THERE FOR THE COMMITTEE --

>> YOU CAN ASK.

>> OKAY. >> WE JUST WON'T GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM.

>> OKAY, SO STANDING ON KENT I YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN, IT'S A DOWN SLOPE INTO THIS AREA THEY'RE DEVELOPING.

SO I JUST NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THIS BUFFER BEHIND THE PLACES ON KENT, AND IS THERE A WAY TO PROVIDE PRIVACY FOR THE EXISTING HOMES ON KENT DRIVE BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING WHERE THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

THANK YOU. >> YES, PLEASE.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC

HEARING? >> MY NAME IS TOM HALEY BUT I THINK THERE'S A FEW THINGS, FIVE QUICK POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE.

>> YOUR ADDRESS, SIR.

>> FIRST OF ALL, FIVE YEARS AGO I WORKED WITH THESE NEIGHBORS. OH, MY ADDRESS.

I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. 16 UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

I DO NOT HAVE PERSONAL OWNERSHIP IN THIS PROPERTY.

I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE DEVELOPER THAT'S DOING THIS IS ONE OF THE FINEST IN THE NATION, AND YOU'LL HEAR FROM THEM IN A MINUTE.

YOU COULDN'T HAVE A BETTER DEVELOPER ON THIS.

I OWN SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT -- I DEAL FEEL THEY HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO OWN THIS AND IT BE FINANCEABLE TO THEM.

THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT SURROUND THIS PROPERTY, I'VE DONE MANY OF THOSE.

I WILL TELL YOU SOME OF THOSE STARTED IN 1985.

THEY HAVE TRIPLED IN VALUE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN. THE HICKORY WOODS PROPERTY, I WORKED WITH THAT DEVELOPER. THERE WAS A TRAGEDY THERE.

WE TOOK THAT PROPERTY, TIED IT INTO THE TIGER CROSSING PROPERTY, AND THAT WAS 31 YEARS AGO.

THIS WILL BE HOUSING. NOT APARTMENTS, HOUSES I SHOULD SAY. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPER. THEY ARE TOP- NOTCH ACROSS THE WORLD. WE HAVE ACTUALLY NOT MADE DEALS WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS. WE KNOW THE SENSITIVITY TO HICKORY WOODS AND HOPE THAT THOSE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT. I'VE MET ON THEIR PROPERTY FIVE YEARS AGO, WENT THROUGH THIS THREE YEARS AGO WITH YOU GUYS. BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I DON'T PERSONALLY OWN THIS PROPERTY ANY LONGER.

THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.

ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AT THIS

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TIME? >> MY NAME IS MAGGIE ABRAHAM.

I JUST WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING WHEN WE WERE HERE IN 2002 I THINK IT WAS SAID WE DON'T NEED ANY GREEN SPACES IN AUBURN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT, BUT IF THAT WERE TRUE WE DON'T NEED CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY.

YOU CAN HAVE LIKE A CENTRAL PARK IN AUBURN CITY.

I WANT YOU TO REMIND YOU OF THAT ON THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU SAID WE JUST NEED TO KNOCK THINGS DOWN AND BUILD UP FROM SCRATCH. I DON'T AGREE TO THAT.

I WANT TO BRING UP SOME OF THE THINGS MY CHILDREN GREW UP THERE, RODE THEIR BIKES AND PLAYED ON THE STREET AND WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE RUINING HICKORY WOODS.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RUINING HICKORY WOODS.

THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO INCREASE LIKE MY NEIGHBOR SAID 12 TIMES.

IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS.

YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND LIKE WE SAID IF THIS WERE HAPPENING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD YOU APPROVE IT? I'D JUST LIKE YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT IT. IF MR. HALEY OR SOME DEVELOPER SAID THEY'RE GOING TO PUT 136 HOMES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD YOU AGREE TO IT? AND THE OTHER THING IS WE BARELY HAVE ELBOW ROOM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ALREADY COMPACT, AND IT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE FOR US TO THINK OF THIS HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT MR. HALEY IS PROPOSING IN OUR BACKYARD.

AND HICKORY WOODS IS MY FRONT YARD. I DON'T HAVE A FRONT YARD.

THAT STREET IS MY FRONT YARD. I'D LIKE Y'ALL TO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>> THANK YOU.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY RESPONSE FROM APPLICANT, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD?

>> SO AS I LOOKED AT THE PROPOSAL AND DROVE THE AREA, THE BIG CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS ACCESS TO GLEN AND UNIVERSITY DRIVE FROM THIS 34- HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

HICKORY WOODS IS KIND OF NARROW, RIGHT? AND KENT DRIVE IS ROW AS WELL. I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY LOOKS LIKE, BUT THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT STRUCK ME AS I REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL.

>> HI.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S BRAD DINNERSTEIN, I AM THE APPLICANT --

>> DID YOU CLOSE THE BUBBLE

HEARING? >>

YES. >> YOU CAN ONLY TALK NOW IF THEY ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

>> I'M SORRY, MY APOLOGIES.

>> IF Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THEN YOU CAN

ASK. >> PLEASE STAY.

WILL THIS BE UNITS FOR SALE OR UNITS TO

BE RENTED? >> TO BE

RENTED. >> OKAY.

IT'S A MULTI- FAMILY DEVELOPMENT

OVERALL? >> THEY ARE GOING TO BE COTTAGES, SINGLE-STORY TWIN HOMES AND TOWNHOMES.

RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY. OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING -- EXCUSE

US. >> OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING PER THE CDD. WE'VE HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WE'RE PROPOSING IS IN FACT COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT

ZONING. >>

OKAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR

THE -- >> YEAH, SO SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENT ABOUT ACCESS TO GLEN AND UNIVERSITY VIA KENT AND HICKORY WOODS, ARE THERE OTHER PLANS IN THAT AREA TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THAT SOMEONE LIKE ME CAN SEE?

>> YEAH, INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION ACCESS.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

>> FOR ONE, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT AN IMPACT CITY.

CITY HAS REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND HAS ISSUED

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IN REGARDS TO SPECIFIC ACCESS --

>> WHAT DOES THAT TRAFFIC STUDY SAY,

BRETT? >> IN REGARDS TO JUST

OVERALL? >> JUST IN REGARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, HICKORY WOODS AND --

>> OVERALL THE ACCESS THAT THE INTERSECTION OF HICKORY WOODS AND GLEN WOULD FUNCTION FINE.

THERE'S AN EXISTING TURN LANE IN PLACE. IN REGARDS TO THE KENT ACCESS ON DONOHUE, THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT ON KENT AND EAST UNIVERSITY IS CURRENTLY --

>> I'M SORRY, CAN YOU PUT APPROXIMATE --

>> ESSENTIALLY THE TURN LANES ARE WARRANTED IN THE EXISTING CONDITION THERE IN THAT INTERSECTION IS IN A FAILING CONDITION IN EXISTING.

>> SO IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE --

>> IMPROVEMENTS.

TURN LANES. AS A RESULT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY THE CITY WANTING LEFT TURN, RIGHT TURN.

IN REGARDS TO CONFIDENCE OF SIZE KENT DRIVE WAS BUILT UNDER THE OLD REGULATIONS. THAT ROAD IS MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IN A TRADITIONAL LOCAL STREET AT THIS TIME.

IT'S ALMOST 10 FEET WIDER THAN WHAT WE'D NORMALLY BUILD NOW. SO IN REGARDS TO SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR MANEUVERABILITY AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, IT'S FINE. USUALLY -- TYPICALLY WHAT THE RULE OF THUMB WITH THE CITY IS IF WE HAVE A HUNDRED UNITS, ONCE WE HAVE OVER 100 UNITS, WE WANT A SECOND ACCESS POINT TO GET IN AND OUT. 132, AND YOU HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS. SO FROM THAT SIDE, IT'S PRETTY GOOD. THE OTHER PART OF THAT, TOO, IS DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO LEAVE HERE, YOU CAN KIND OF LEAVE THIS AREA AND KIND OF GET ANYWHERE WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN IF YOU REALLY WANT TO, RIGHT? DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE GOING, YOU CAN COME OUT TO GLEN.

IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GO BACK TOWARDS TOWN, YOU CAN COME OUT TO KENT AND GO RIGHT TO THE EAST UNIVERSITY SECTION OR YOU CAN GO TO THE SIGNAL IF YOU WANT TO GO LEFT THERE. NOW A SIGNAL IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED SO MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO KENT TO THE SIGNAL AND CAN'T GET OUT. WE WERE PLANNING ON CONSTRUCTION COMING IN AND OUT OF THE KENT DRIVE AND NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS GO THROUGH THE HICKORY WOODS DRIVE.

>> DOES THAT NEED TO BE A

CONDITION? >> THE OTHER PART IS STAFF THINKS OF THE LOT OF THE THINGS THE COMMUNITY BRINGS UP AND CONCERNED ABOUT. A LOT OF THE STUFF IS THOUGHT OF AHEAD OF TIME.

I I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO THINK STAFF DOESN'T PROTECT THE BEST INTERESTS.

A LOT OF THE STUFF IS TALKED ABOUT IN THESE THINGS.

SO WE'RE FINE PROHIBITING CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FROM ENTERING AND EXITING HICKORY WOODS.

THE OTHER PART OF THAT, TOO, SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF BROUGHT UP IN REGARDS TO SPEED MITIGATION AND THEY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS AND WALK IN THE STREETS, THOSE ARE AVENUES THEY CAN ASK FOR MEASURES TO BE DONE. THEY JUST CENTER TO ASK AND DON'T HAVE TO IMPLY THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS CREATING A LOT OF THIS STUFF IN SOME OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE TRAFFIC AND SIDEWALK ISSUES INORY THAIN NEIGHBORHOOD. IN OURS WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE. WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING IT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND TRYING TO HAVE ACCESSIBILITY TO ALL OUR OPEN SPACE.

ON OUR SITE IT'S LMGS 20%. A LOT OF OUR OPEN SPACE IS USABLE OPEN SPACE. IN REGARDS TO WHERE WE HAVE OUR AMENITY AND WE HAVE OTHER DOG PARKS AND OTHER THINGS SCATTERED AROUND OUR DEVELOPMENT.

>> HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THAT OPEN SPACE? THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT BASICALLY SAYS IT SAYS 6 ACRES BUT REALLY ONLY TWO, SO I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THEY TYPICALLY CALCULATE IT.

>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS THAT TELL YOU YOU HOW YOU HAVE TO CALCULATE THE OPEN SPACE. AND ESSENTIALLY I --

>> YEAH, SO OPEN SPACE IS PRETTY STRINGENT. TO NOT GET SUPER TECHNICAL.

SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS, LET'S SAY IF YOU BE AN

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THE THINGS IF YOU LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, YOU COULD DO THAT BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.

THE WAY IT DOES WORK FOR THIS ONE IT'S JUST A PRETTY RAW DEFINITION OF HERE'S THE OPEN SPACE, GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND THEN ALSO ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS THAT YOU HEAR.

BUFFERS ALSO SUBCONTRACT AS WELL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THE ACTUAL SPACE WHERE THERE'S NOT STRUCTURES AND PAVEMENT WHAT WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACE THAT'S DIVIDED ON

PAPER? >> THE OTHER ONE WAS THERE'S SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BUFFERING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE OUR DEVELOPMENT IS SITUATED, IT'S SITUATED TOWARDS THE MIDDLE. WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE MORE SEPARATION TO US AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND NORTH. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE NATURAL HORIZONTAL SEPARATION, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO SAVE AND PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THERE'S 80 FEET OF FALL FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS SITE.

IT'S FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

MITIGATE. >> WHAT ABOUT A 25- FOOT BUFFER ON THE I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE?

>> SO, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. ON THE WEST SIDE THERE'S AN EXISTING STREAM OVER THERE, AND WITHIN THAT EXISTING STREAM, THERE'S STREAM BUFFERS. IN THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT TYPE OF STREAM THERE'S A 25- FOOT STREAM BUFFER ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREAM PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 10- FOOT ZONE ON SURFACE AREA TO GO IN THROUGH THERE, SO A PORTION OF THAT SIDE OF THE WEST SIDE ALREADY HAS A 20- FOOT BUFFER BECAUSE THERE'S A STREAM SEPARATING THOSE HOMES, AND THIS SITE.

>> SO WILL THAT 25 FEET BE CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY

ACROSS? >> IT'S CONSISTENT PROBABLY THE FIRST FOUR TO FIVE, ABOUT HALFWAY UP IS WHERE THE STREAM IS, WHERE THE DIVINE STREAM IS AND BUFFERING. UP TO THE NORTH WE'RE PRESERVING A LOT OF THAT BIG, OPEN SPACE.

UP THERE IS NATURAL TREES. AND IT NARROWS DOWN WHERE WE HAVE SOME UNITS, THAT ONE UNIT THAT BUTTS IT, THE CLOSEST UNIT ON THE CORNER THERE.

BUT I WOULD SAY THREE QUARTERS OF THAT SIDE WILL HAVE A -- WILL ALREADY HAVE A 25- FOOT BUFFER IN HOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THIS,

YES. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

WEST? >> UP AGAINST EXISTING HICKORY

WOODS. >> THE NORTH UP THERE WHERE THE STREET IS CONTINUATION AGAINST THOSE HOMES --

>> THOSE DUPLEXES?

>> ON KENT.

>> ON KENT DRIVE. THERE'S A HUGE SEPARATION BEFORE WE GET TO OUR PARCEL AS

WELL. >> BECAUSE THAT WAS ASKED.

>> LIKE AMBER MENTIONED, AT THE END OF THE DAY MOST OF OUR BUFFER YARD PLANINGS, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OUR PLAININGS HAVE TO BE IN THE BUFFER YARD.

WE'RE TRYING TO PUT AS MUCH OF THOSE PLANNINGS AS WE CAN UP TO THE HICKORY TO THE WEST. THE AM ONES TO THE NORTH THERE ARE PLANTINGS UP THERE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SO FAR ABOVE US, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT WELL OVER THE TOP OF US, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEIR HOME SIZE FROM OUR PROPERTY THEY'RE UP 15 FEET ABOVE US. WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING DOWN.

THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 40, 50 FOOT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR STRUCTURES ON THAT SIDE.

AND WE'RE PRESERVING A LOT OF THE EXISTING BUFFER OR OPEN SPACE BETWEEN US AND THE PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE GONE OUT TO DINIOUS PARK BUT THE TRAIL, IF YOU WENT OUT THERE ANY TIME RECENTLY THE ORANGE STAKES ARE OUR PROPERTY LINE.

SO THE TRAIL IN OUR PROPERTY LINE, HERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE.

IT'S A FOOT OR TWO OFF. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN OF A NATURAL BUFFER THERE WHERE WE CAN. THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN IS WHERE IT STARTS DIPPING DOWN LOW AND HAVE TO DO SOME GRADING IN THAT AREA. FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE PROVIDING EXISTING BUFFER.

>> AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE BUFFER BUFFER YARD WAS

INCREASED. >> PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT HICKORY WOODS PRIVACY FENCE WITH THEIR BUFFER.

>> I DON'T SEE HOW -- MOST OF THOSE THINGS ARE STEPPED

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WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO A WOOD FENCE THAT IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN NATURAL TREE COVER IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE WARPED AND DILAPIDATED AND JUST NOT GOING TO WEATHER WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A CREEK, YOU HAVE A STREAM. THERE'S THAT WESTERN BOUNDARY BETWEEN US AND THEM. THERE'S A SEWER EASEMENT IN THEIR BACKYARD AND A STREAM IN THEIR BACKYARD.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF BETWEEN US WE CAN'T TOUCH.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SUGGESTING. THEY JUST MENTIONED STUFF I HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS.

>> WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO GET INTO IT, BUT, TWO, CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE STREAM AND REQUIREMENTS ON THAT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE?

>> DID THEY MENTION A BRIDGE THAT WOULD BE RIGHT --

>> I THINK WHAT THEY WERE SAYING IS IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION AT HICKORY WOODS, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOME FORM OF --

>> WALKING BRIDGE.

>> SOMETHING THAT I GUESS WOULD ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO WALK ACROSS BUT IT WOULDN'T ALLOW VEHICLES.

>> EXCUSE ME. THEY WOULD HAVE BALLARDS AND IT WOULD BE A BALLARD SIT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND BE REMOVABLE SHOULD -- ARE YOU GOING TO GRADE IT?

NO NEED FOR A BRIDGE AT ALL? >> IT'LL JUST BE TIED IN AND GRADE THERE.

>> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY.

NEVER MIND.

>> IS THAT ALL FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, BRETT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF?

>> HOW LONG HAS THIS PARCEL BEEN ZONED CDD? 1984. AND WHY DID THE PREVIOUS PRELIMINARY PLAT EXPIRE?

>> SO PRELIMINARY PLATS EXPIRING IS PRETTY COMMON AND ALL THE TIME THAT HAPPENS FOR VARIOUS REASONS. OFTENTIMES IT HAPPENS JUST ON THE ACCOUNT OF THE DEVELOPER, IF THEIR ADDITIONS CHANGE, FINANCES CHANGE, ET CETERA, JUST MULTIPLE REASONS THEY GET INTO IT.

AND JUST TIME DIDN'T WORK OUT. WE HAVE PLENTY AND WE LAND WHERE WE SEE MULTIPLE PRELIMINARY PLATS. FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS PLANS JUST DO NOT MOVE FORWARD.

>> OKAY, SO THE PREVIOUS PLAN JUST EXPIRED, IT WENT TO THE COMMISSION AND EXPIRED?

>> YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THE DEVELOPER AND PROPERTY OWNER TO ANSWER.

THAT WON'T BE SOMETHING STAFF TO ANSWER. LIKE I SAID IT'S NOT SOMETHING STAFF IS DOING.

OFTENTIMES IT'S THE VOLUNTARY CHOICE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT IT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD.

>> OKAY.

>> I GUESS I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ZONED CDD MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

AND THE REASON IT WAS ZONED CDD THERE WERE A LOT OF OTHER PARCELS IN THE TOWN THAT WERE DOING THAT, AND THE CITY DID IT TO TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH, AND NOW WE GOT WHAT WE ASKED FOR, RIGHT? EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN AUBURN, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ZONING ESOLVES OVER TIME. AND WE'RE IN THAT TRANSITION PERIOD RIGHT NOW. AND SO YOU HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS THAT MANY DON'T FAVOR, BUT IT'S A GOOD DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH.

THERE'S A CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN.

THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS REQUIRED BY STATE AND BY OURSELVES, AND WE DO OUR BEST TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO WE ARE BASICALLY COMPELLED AS A RESULT OF STATE -- OF STATUTE, YOU KNOW, THAT IF A SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, MEET THE

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BUT WE'RE KIND OF HANDED WHAT WE'RE DEALT WITH.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY OUT THERE ESPECIALLY THERE'S A CLASS OUT THERE DOING SOME PLANNING STUFF, GET AHEAD OF THIS SORT OF THING.

YOU CAN CHANGE THE RULES. THEY'RE MEANT TO BE CHANGE.

IT'S ABOUT THE COMMUNITY FIGURING OUT WHAT IT IS THEY WANT TO DO. RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF BOXED INTO WHETHER YOU AGREW WITH IT OR NOT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT

THAT. >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I'M STRUCK BY THE QUESTION WHD I WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO ME.

I'VE HAD THIS DEVELOPMENT BUT A LOWER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT DID NOT GO WITH THE NC CLASSIFICATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE ON KIMBERLY DRIVE IS A 1970S LOW RISE. IT WAS A■ BAYLEY')S CONSTRUCTION AND THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONCRETE, AND IT'S ALL MODERN HOMES.

AND BY THE WAY, THOSE CARS ALL COME INTO MY DRIVEWAY, ALL OF THEM INTO MY LIVING ROOM WHENEVER THEY COME UP THAT ROAD. I CAN TELL YOU, THOUGH, THAT MY LIFE HAS NOT CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT I DO THINK THAT IF IT WAS A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, IT WOULD CHANGE.

AND SO THE LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THIS -- THIS COMMISSION EARLIER WAS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING, I THOUGHT, WITH THE HICKORY WOODS DEVELOPMENT IN THE SENSE OF IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, BUT IT WOULD THEN AT LEAST LOW DENSITY HOUSING CONSISTENT. AND I'M ALSO STRUCK BY THE IDEA EVEN THOUGH OUR ZONING HASN'T KEPT UP WITH WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BECAUSE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT NEEDS TO BE SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE AREN'T IN THE 1980S ANYMORE.

>> DOES THIS PLAT MEET OR EXCEED WHAT WE ARE HERE TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT THAT IS BEFORE US? ASKED TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AS IS WITH WHAT IS ALLOWED.

>> I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN BEING BROUGHT FORWARD -- I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HEAR FROM HICKORY WOODS PEOPLE, AND SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT WHERE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC IN MOST PLACES. WE DO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY.

WE HAVE NOT HAD PURVIEW OF THAT BUT THE CITY HAS.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TURN LANES AT EAST UNIVERSITY KENT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS AT HICKORY WOODS AND GLEN? I DO COME OUT OF THE KROGER PARK, AND THERE ARE MANY TIMES THAT IT'S VERY

DIFFICULT. >> I THINK THE ISSUE IS ALSO ON KENT DRIVE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HORRIBLE INTERSECTION THERE. AND SO THOSE PEOPLE ALSO DESERVE TO BE CONSIDERED.

>> BUT IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT IS -- ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT -- I KNOW THE CITY WANTS CONNECTIVITY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF SOMETHING THERE THAT WOULD HELP -- I KNOW THE TRAFFIC COMMENT WOULD HELP AND THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT I THINK IS GOOD.

I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. I KNOW SOME PLACES DON'T WANT AA TRAFFIC COLUMN. BUT BEYOND THAT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE -- THE CITY WOULD CONSIDER SHORT OF NOT HAVING CONNECTIVITY? I JUST -- THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I FEEL OUT THERE FOR US TO CONSIDER, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THINK SHOULD BE EXPLORED. AND JUST A FLAT WE'VE GOT CONNECTIVITY. ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO DO IT MY FOLLOW IS, AND I DON'T HAVE

[01:45:02]

SO JUST SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE

TRAFFIC. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE TIGER CROSSING PRELIMINARY PLAT.

DO WE NEED TO ADD CONDITIONS?

>> THE CONDITION THAT NO CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC COULD TRAVEL HICKORY WOODS DRIVE.

>> SECOND.

>> THAT THERE'S NOT TO BE ANY CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE IN HICKORY WOODS DRIVE.

>> OKAY, NO CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE ON HICKORY HICKORY WOODS DRIVE. THAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION.

>> SO STATE THE MOTION THAT IT IS BEING PUT ON THE TABLE AS APPROVED AND SECONDED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE OFF HICKORY WOODS DRIVE.

>> AND THE PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT.

>> AND THE PEDESTRIAN EASEMENT TO

DINIOUS. >> THAT'S WHAT STAFF COMMENTS.

>> DOES ANYBODY NEED CLARIFICATION?

>> THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE DINIOUS --

>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO THERE WASN'T THE -- YEAH, SO THERE WAS THE REMOVED CONDITION OF THE CONDITIONAL BUFFER BUT THERE WAS ALSO THE CONDITION OF DESIGNATED BUFFER TO THE FENCE FROM DINIOUS PARK. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSS WOULD THE

APPLICANT. >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE BOARD.

LET'S DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

>> NONET REESE.

>> YES. >> DANA

CAMP. >>

YES. >> PHIL CHANSLER.

>> YES. >> JENNIFER

STEPHENS. >>

YES. >> OSCAR

MOSLEY. >>

YES. >> WALKER

DAVIS. >>

YES. >> THANK YOU.

AND WE HAVE THE NEXT AGENDA

ITEM. >> THIS NEXT REQUEST IS ALSO RELATED TO --

>> PLEASE PAUSE, I'M SORRY. IF ALL OF YOU LEAVE.

WE'LL LET YOU TAKE A SECOND TO LET YOU STEP OUT.

[12. Conditional Use - Tiger Crossing Subdivision - PUBLIC HEARING]

>> OKAY. THIS NEXT REQUEST IS ALSO RELATED TO THE TIGER CROSSING SUBDIVISION. IT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL USE SUBDIVISION AMENITY THAT INCLUDES A CLUBHOUSE WITH OFFICE SPACE, A POOL, AND OTHER RECREATION ACTIVITIES.

IT WILL BE LOCATED WITHIN THE TIGER CROSSING SUBDIVISION ON APPROXIMATELY 5. 75 ACRES. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD THIS ACREAGE WILL COUNT TOWARDS THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.

THE SUBDIVISION AMENITIES PLANNED HERE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE ACCESSORY USE REGULATIONS ALLOW SUBDIVISION AND AMENITIES BY RIGHT IF THEY MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AND INCLUDED THE STRUCTURE SIZE, BUFFER ZONE, LANDSCAPING, AND SETBACKS.

THE USE GOES FROM PERMITTED RIGHT AND ACCESSORY USE TO PRIMARY USE IF JUST ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE NOT MET. IN THIS CASE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE EXCEEDS THAT ALLOWED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS 500 SQUARE FEET, SO THIS USE IS COMING TO YOU FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE AMENITY AREA WILL -- WELL, IT SHOWS HERE THE CLUBHOUSE, POOL, PICKLE BALL COURTS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ARTIFICIAL

TURF SITES -- >> AMBER, I AM SO SORRY.

I'VE GOTTEN WORD THAT THE LIVE FEED IS

DOWN. >> OKAY, SO WE'RE WORKING ON IT. I'M SORRY, NOT IGNORING YOU.

I'M NOT KEEPING UP WITH BASKETBALL

SCORES. >> I JUST KNEW THIS WAS

[01:50:01]

>> YOU'RE CORRECT. THE FACEBOOK FEED IS GOOD.

WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT THE YOUTUBE FEED.

THE YOUTUBE FEED IS WHAT FAILED.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> THE SITE ALSO INCLUDES A FIRE PIT AREA WITH A PERGOLA SWING, AND THERE WILL BE A DOG PARK OVER HERE IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE AMENITY AREA FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS WITH THIS REQUEST. WE BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE AMENITIES PROVIDED ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SUBDIVISION, AND THE SITE PLAN WILL BE REVIEWED DURING DRT JUST TO ENSURE THAT ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

>> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT OR STAFF?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

ONE OF THE REQUESTS OF THE GROUP WAS THAT THE HICKORY WOODS RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS FACILITY. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO

THAT? >> PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> NO.

>> I'LL JUST ADD FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THIS BODY OR CITY COULD

>> HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JOSH POOLE.

334 HICKORY WOODS DRIVE. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON TWO SLIDES IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE TITLE PAGE.

ONE MORE. THIS IS ON THE AGENDA PACKET, BOTH THE PACKET, THE AGENDA AND HERE.

THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT TYPO HERE.

TERMINUS OF HICKORY WOOD DRIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOES INTO YOUR DECISIONS WITH IT NOT BEING HICKORY WOODS DRIVE, JUST SOMETHING TO PUT OUT THERE.

ALSO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES FORWARD SHOWING THE -- SO THAT THERE, I DON'T HAVE LASER POINTER BUT IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THAT MAP THERE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BEND OF WHERE HICKORY WOODS CONTINUES INTO KENT DRIVE, THEY HAVE BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHICH TAKES AWAY FROM OPEN T OVER THERE COUNTED IN THAT IS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE, BUT IF YOU SAW IN MY MAPS THAT I SENT DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE REQUIRED 25% OF THE LAY OUT. I KNOW THAT'S THE PREVIOUS THING, BUT FOR CONDITIONAL USE I FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON OPEN SPACE AND THEY'RE NOT REVEALING THE TRUE OPEN SPACE, THEN I THINK THAT SHOULD GO INTO CONSIDERATIONS.

THANK YOU. DO I NEED TO WRITE MY NAME

AGAIN? >> YES, IT'S A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONERS? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE 2025-005.

>> SECOND.

>> AND THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THANK

[13. Conditional Use - Auburn ETG Location - PUBLIC HEARING]

YOU. >> NEXT CONDITIONAL

USE. >> THAT'S

ME. >> OKAY, SO THIS CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST. THIS IS FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONING USE APPROVAL FOR ROAD SERVICES, AUTO DEALERSHIP, GOLF CART SALES AT 453 OPELIKA ROAD. IF YOU NOTICE ON THE MAP THIS IS REALLY CLOSE TO THE STREET AND IT'S CATTY CORNER TO THE WEST. THE "U" IN CRDU STANDS FOR URBAN. JUST KIND OF WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT.

SO PRETTY MUCH THIS IS GOLF CART SALES. THIS IS NOT A REDEVELOPMENT. THEY INTEND

[01:55:03]

THEY'RE GOING TO TIS PLAY THE GOLF CARTS OUT FRONT. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IT'S DESIGNATED THERE WHERE THE GOLF CARTS DISPLAY WOULD BE, WAREHOUSE WOULD BE FOR THE STORAGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE POINT OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE.

ONE OF THE THINGS CONSIDERED WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT IT'S PRETTY INTUITIVE AND ITS NAME WAS REDEVELOPMENT. WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING AUTO DEALERSHIPS OPELIKA ROAD. THE SUBURBAN PORTION OF THE CRDS IS MUCH MORE ACCOMMODATING OF THIS, SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING SPACES.

YOU SEE THE BUILDINGS REALLY FAR BACK OFF THE STREET.

YOU SEE A LOT OF THE LARGER SCALE HEAVIER INTENSITY USES FURTHER OUT DOWN OPELIKA ROAD CLOSEST TO THE INTERSECTION, FURTHER IN LIKE THIS FOR CRDU EVEN THOUGH THIS IS SMALLER SCALE OF AUTO SALES JUST WITH GOLF CARTS, THIS IS STILL NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS ENVISIONED WHEN WE CONSIDER THE USES FOR CRDU, AND THAT IS WHY THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS AN INCONSISTENCY WITH THE FUTURE USE PLAN AND DOES NOT MATCH THE SPIRIT OR THE THE INTENT OF CRDU.

>> THANK YOU. APPLICANT? OKAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

QUESTION, IT'S CONDITIONAL USE BUT IT'S NOT BEING REDEVELOPED, RIGHT? LIKE THE SPACE AS A WHOLE IS

NOT? >> CORRECT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS. SO WE HAVE THAT FOR A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL CASES WHERE LET'S SAY IT'S A BUILDING THAT WAS GRANTED A CONDITIONAL USE, AND THEN IT'S UNOCCUPIED FOR SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD EXPIRE. EVEN IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE SAME USE, IT WOULD THEN HAVE TO GET ANOTHER ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE. SO THERE WERE OTHER SCENARIOS THEY WERE APPROVED FOR A USE BUT THEN THE USES ARE CHANGING AND THAT USE IS A CONDITIONAL USE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT CONSTRUCTION BUT THE CONCEPT OF THE

USE. >> AND WE'RE REALLY -- THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED. IT'S JUST I HAVE A HARD TIME GOING FOR THIS WITHOUT CHANGING THE USE, CHANGING THE PROPERTY, CHANGING THE BUILDINGS REDEVELOPING ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT WHOLE AREA IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO --

>> YEAH, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A MIXED USE,

TOO? >> YEAH.

THE PART OF THE FUTURE LAND USE IN THIS AREA, SO MIX CAN BE HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL. SO JUST KIND OF I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A MIX AS WELL. LIKE I WAS SAYING DOESN'T REALLY MEET THE REDEVELOPMENT -- EXCUSE ME, THE REDEVELOPMENT THE INTENT OF THE MIXED USE MEDIA INTENSITY OF THE

CRDU. >> I DISAGREE -- WHAT I FEEL LIKE I'M HEARING IS YOU'D RATHER JUST SIT THERE VACANT THEN ON A MAIN THOROUGHFARE OF OUR CITY INSTEAD OF AT LEAST HAVING SOME ACTIVITY AND USE AND EVEN SALES TAX DOLLARS COMING IN.

IF, I MEAN, THE PARCELS IN THIS AREA ARE NOT INEXPENSIVE TO REDEVELOP INTO WHAT THEY COULD BE ANYWAY. SO I'D RATHER SEE SOME ACTIVITY THAN IT SIT THERE DORMANT,

PERSONALLY. >> WHAT'S IN THAT SPACE RIGHT

NOW? >> IS IT

VACANT? >> I MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE'S A PHONE REPAIR AND THEN THIS PART OF THE BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY FOR LEASE, SO --

>> SO AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

SO IF THE APPLICANT WERE DOING SOME SORT OF REDEVELOPMENT TO THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT, MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION OF THE URBAN REDEVELOPMENT, WOULD THAT THEN FIT THE -- WOULD THE CONDITIONAL USE THEN BE MORE POSITIVELY RECEIVED?

[02:00:03]

>> I WOULD SAY STILL PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE WE HAD THE CONDITIONAL WITH THE ICE GUY WHERE IT WAS KIND OF THE SAME THING. AUTO CENTRIC REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A SPACE IN CRDU.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IN CONDITIONAL.

OFTENTIMES WHEN IT'S AUTO CENTRIC THEY NEED WAIVERS.

LIKE WHEN CAPITAL RACING NEEDED WAIVERS AROUND THEIR ARCHITECTURAL STUFF, THEY'RE JUST GENERALLY NOT REALLY A FIT. YOU KIND OF WANT TO SEE I GUESS FAR AND MAXIMIZE ON THE OTHER SITE BIGGER BUILDINGS, A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN FOOT TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT COMING TO THESE NEW AREAS.

EVEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION I THINK THE AUTO CENTRIC USE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WE'D DEEM

INCONSISTENT. >> WELL, RIGHT THERE IN THAT SAME AREA IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, TIRE

SALES. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

THERE SURE ARE.

>> AND THE TRIUMPH IS RIGHT DOWN THE

ROAD. >> AND THE MOTORCYCLE -- THE

MOTORCYCLES RIGHT ACROSS. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M

SAYING. >> IT'S A LITTLE DOWN THE ROAD, YEAH, ON THE RIGHT.

>> AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE SELLING THE GOLF CARTS NOT RENTING THEM. I MEAN, IT'S GOLF CART SALES,

RIGHT? >> I GUESS WE DON'T REALLY MAKE A DISTINCTION IF THEY WERE RENTING THEM, I GUESS. I'M NOT PRIVY TO THE CONVERSATION SEAN HAS HAD WITH THEM.

BUT THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING FROM OUR

END. >> AND YOU SAID THERE'S A WAY, THOUGH, IF THIS WERE TO BE GRANTED THAT IF THE USE CHANGES, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME

BACK? >> YEAH.

WELL, YEAH. IF THE USE CHANGE AND TRIGGER EITHER PERMIT OR NEED ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE, IF THEY WOULD. I GUESS THAT --

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE GRANT THIS AS A CONDITIONAL USE, IS THE SCOPE LIMITED TO GOLF CARTS, OR IS IT -- COULD THEY -- BECAUSE IT SAYS --

>> AUTO SALES. >> AUTO DEALERSHIP IS

THE USE. >> AUTO DEALERSHIP IS THE USE, THAT IS CORRECT.

>> SO IF WE GRANT THIS IN THEORY THEY COULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH

TO -- >> THEY COULD, YES.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CLARIFY,

YES. >> I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AT LEAST GET IT ON THE TABLE AND SAY APPROVE CASE --

>> SORRY, YOU COULD CONDITION THE GRANT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE.

>> THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO ASK

THAT. >> WELL, I'M GOING TO AT LEAST PUT IT ON THE TABLE. I WANT TO APPROVE CASE CU-2025- 003 LLC GOLF CARTS.

>> FOR GOLF CART USE ONLY?

>> NO, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE

CONDITIONS. >>

OKAY. >> I'LL SECOND

IT. >> OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> DO YOU ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT?

>> MOTION IS SECOND. WELL, YOU CAN MAKE AN

AMENDMENT. >> YEAH, MAKE AN AMENDMENT IT WOULD BE LIMITED GOLF CART

ONLY. >> I HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION FOR A GOLF CART USE AND SALES

ONLY. >> I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE AMENDMENT. MY CONCERN IS THERE IS LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF GOLF CARTS, HOW BIG THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE A SIDE BY SIDE. I HATE TO GET IN THE WEEDS WITH THIS, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS RIGHT ON OPELIKA ROAD THERE'S A HUGE GOLF CART WITH 28- INCH TIRES LIFTED AND LOOKING RIDICULOUS. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT --

>> BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BOLD B

HOLDER. >> I GUESS SO.

BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS, THAT WOULD LIMIT THE --

>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT -- >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS.

>> BUT THERE ARE GOLF CARTS LIKE --

>> I SECOND THE MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT.

>> CAN HE DO THAT PER

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE? >> YES, HE CAN SECOND THE

AMENDMENT. >> BECAUSE I MADE THE ORIGINAL

MOTION, TOO. >> YOU'RE JUST SECOND TO MOVE IT FORWARD.

>> OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND OF

AMENDED MOTION. >> MADAM CHAIRMAN, JUST TO CLARIFY THIS IS VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT, AND IF IT PASSES, YOU WOULD CONSIDER TAZ AMENDED.

>> SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT TO BE JUST GOLF CARTS.

SHOULD WE ROLL CALL?

>> YES.

>> ROLL CALL PLEASE.

[02:05:01]

>> NONET REESE.

>> YES.

>> DANA CAMP.

>> NO.

>> OSCAR MOSELEY.

>> YES.

>> WALKER DAVIS.

>> NO.

>> WAS THAT 4-4?

>> 3-5.

>> NOW WE ARE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

THAT IS TO APPROVE AS STATED AS AUTO DEALERSHIP.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

>> DANA CAMP. >>

NO. >> NONET

REISS. >> NO.

>> BILL CHANSLER.

>> NO. >> DAVID WISDOM.

>> NO.

>> JOSEPH AISTRUP. >> NO.

>> JENNIFER STEPHENS.

>> NO. >> WALKER

DAVIS. >>

NO. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE IN THAT MATTER.

[14. Conditional Use - DX Dynamix LLC - PUBLIC HEARING]

>> IT'S CONDITIONAL USE FOR A

REASON. >> THAT'S ME, ALL RIGHT.

FINAL ONE. SO I DON'T KNOW THIS ISN'T THE FINAL ONE. DX DYNAMIX SO IT'S RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR AN INDUSTRIAL USE. SO LET ME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY, SO THIS IS IN THE INDUSTRIAL PART THIS IS IS IS INNOVATION DRIVE. THEY ARE A BRICK MAKER AND MAKE CLADDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THIS WAS A CONDITIONAL USE ALREADY EXISTINGEXISTING THE SITE. SINCE THIS WAS A CHANGE IN THE CONDITIONAL USE, THEY HAD TO COME BACK AND GET ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE.

SO SAME SCALE BUILDING, PARKING, EVERYTHING.

I WANT TO GO TO THE SITE PLAN. THERE WE GO.

SO, YEP, NO NEW CONSTRUCTION. THEY'RE MOVING TO BRICK MAKER.

JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW EVERYTHING WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT IS CONDITIONAL. WITH THAT, TURN IT OVER TO Y'ALL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE. I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME FOR DX DYNAMIX.

>>

ROBOTS. >> THIS IS

DIFFERENT. >> WAY DIFFERENT.

>> I GOT A PHONE CALL AT 4:00 TO REPRESENT THEM, SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL I KNOW. THIS AN EXISTING USE HERE. IDB SUPPORTS IT, BUT THEY BUILT SOME FORM OF ROBOT.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN SHOULD YOU WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT ROBOTS CONDITIONAL USE. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> MOVE TO APPROVE CASE CU-2025- 3004 DX DIME KS.

>> SECOND.

[15. Conditional Use - The Vintage Expansion - PUBLIC HEARING]

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND MULTIPLE SECONDS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. NEXT, CONDITIONAL

USE. >> FINAL

ONE. >> ALL RIGHT, THE THE VINTAGE EXPANSION. RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OF A MIXED- USE DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE.

THIS IS EXPANSION TWO. SO LONG STORY SHORT ADDING TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ALREADY THERE. NONE OF THE BUILDING IS GOING UP, JUST ADDING THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO

IT. >> SO BUILDING OUT THE

BUILDINGS. >> I GUESS THIS WASN'T CONTEMPLATED THEN INITIAL ONE SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A CONDITIONAL ONE.

>> SO ARE THEY ADDING THE SECOND STORY, SORE IS THE SECOND STORY ALREADY THERE AND THEY'RE JUST --

>> I FEEL LIKE THE SECOND STORY IS ALREADY

THERE. >> PLEASE JOIN

US. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR THIS CONDITIONAL USE CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION 18 MONTHS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE ARE IN CONSTRUCTION.

THE BUILDING HAS NOT STARTED GOING VERTICAL.

THE DEVELOPERS HAVE SINCE LOOKED AT THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDING

[02:10:02]

>> OH, THANK YOU.

>> SO THIS IS PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF

THAT? >> UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT

NOW. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.

>> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW FOR THE THE VINTAGE EXPANSION. SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONERS? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE CU-2025-006.

>> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

[STAFF COMMUNICATION]

CHAIRMAN'S COMMUNICATIONS. >> IN ESSENCE SINCE THERE IS A LOT OF COMMENT ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE TONIGHT, SO LIKE I MENTIONED AND KIND OF DREW ATTENTION TO, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERFORMANCE AND CONVENTIONAL, CONVENTIONAL DOES NOT HAVE OPEN SPACE IN IT.

PERFORMANCE DOES. PERFORMANCE HAS TO BE SEPARATED AND PLATTED OUT. SO THAT OPEN SPACE IS IN THE PLAT.

SO I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE GET TRIPPED UP ON ESPECIALLY ON TOWNHOUSE LOTS THEY'LL SEE -- THEY'LL THINK OF THE LOT AS THE STRUCTURE AND NOIR NOT THE STRUCTURES.

SO YOU HAVE THE BUFFER YARDS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

I KNOW PEOPLE GET CONFUSED ABOUT IT, BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THOSE STRUCTURES ARE EXISTING OUTSIDE OF THOSE LOTS.

THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THE CONFINES AND APPLY WITHIN THE BUFFER YARDS.

AND LIKE I SAID THE OPEN SPACE HAS TO BE PLATTED SEPARATELY. AND I GUESS FOR ALL- OF YOU WONDERING WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THAT, THEY CAN TELL YOU THAT IS THE BIGGEST HURDLE FOR YOU IN PLATTING THE OPEN SPACE TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL THE SETBACKS AND UNITS FOR EVERYTHING WHILE ACCOMMODATING THAT OPEN SPACE IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO PERFORMANCE TO REACH THE HIGHER DENSITY FOR WHATEVER ZONING DISTRICT.

SO ALL THE THINGS THAT CHANGE AND SHIFT. THE SITE PLAN IT'S NOT A DEVIATION. LIKE I SAID, THE OPEN SPACE HAS TO BE PLATTED SEPARATELY.

>> VERY INTERESTING.

>> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY UPCOMING MEETINGS WE NEED TO BE PREPARED

FOR? >> NO.

SO THE PDD WAS APPROVED ON TUESDAY, 90. I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL E- MAIL INQUIRIES, BUT WE HAVEN'T SETUP A FIRST PREMING YET, BUT I IMAGINE IT'S COMING.

>> THEREFORE NEXT WEEK.

>> THERE WE GO.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISMISS OR

ADJOURN. >> MOVE TO

ADJOURN. >>

SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.