[1. CALL TO ORDER.]
[2. MINUTES.]
[3. COUNCIL PROCEDURES DISCUSSION.]
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THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE ARE APPROVED. COUNSEL PROCEDURE
DISCUSSION . >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WHICH HE RECEIVED IN THE WORKING GROUP, PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE RULES TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE TO HAVE UP TO 10 MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC WINDOW . THAT IS REALLY THE GIST OF IT. I WANT TO GIVE FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THEIR PIECE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE PRESENTING . WE HAVE ALL RECEIVED PACKETS AHEAD OF TIME AND THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD AS MUCH ACCESS TO IT AS WE HAVE . AND I DID HAVE SOME COMMENTS FROM SOME CONSTITUENTS THAT SAID, I REALLY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HEARD SOMETHING . THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING, WE CUT OFF SOMEBODY PICK I FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. YOU CAN BE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.
AND SAY, WOULD YOU COME BACK UP AND TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROCESS OR WHATEVER . AT THE PARTICULAR TIME , AS CHIEF DAWSON SAID, WE DON'T SOMETIMES KNOW WHAT TO ASK. I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COUNCIL TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER AND/OR HIS APPLICANT PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING STARTING. THAT WAY IT'S NOT ON THE FIVE-MINUTE CLOCK.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE.
>> I AGREE WITH WHAT THE COLONEL IS SAYING. I THINK WOULD BE GOOD. GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS AS WELL. THEY CAN HEAR WHAT IS SAID AND MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEY CAN ASK US .
>> WOULD YOU STILL ALLOW THEN THE FIVE MINUTES ALSO?
>> IN ADDITION TO THE 10 MINUTES, THE UP TO 10 MINUTES AND THEN THEY CAN STILL COME BACK FOR THE FIVE MINUTES.
>> IS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT IS SOMETHING WE CANNOT DENY THEM.
>> CORRECT. >> WHAT ELSE ? ANYONE ELSE?
>> JUST TO ELABORATE ON THAT, IF THESE 10 MINUTES WERE SET ASIDE, ANYBODY WITHIN THAT DEVELOPER'S PARTY, AND IT COULD BE AN ARCHITECT OR AN ENGINEER, PARTNER OR DEVELOPMENT AND SALES COME BACK, WE COULD NOT STOP THEM FROM COMING BACK AND TAKING FIVE MINUTES DURING A PUBLIC HEARING . IN ADDITION TO THE 10
MINUTES ATTRIBUTED . >> THAT IS CORRECT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR THE PUBLIC . THAT IS CORRECT. YOU CAN THEN FURTHER RESTRICT. PER COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD'S POINT COME YOU CAN MODIFY YOUR RULES TO GIVE THEM TIME OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> AND ONE MINUTE OR 10 MINUTES . THE PROJECT ITSELF, WHOEVER
REPRESENTS IT HAS 10 MINUTES . >> THAT IS WHAT I WAS PROPOSING,
YES. >> MEGAN, A QUESTION. COULD COUNCIL VOTE TO SUSPEND THE RULES ON A SPECIFIC ISSUE ? LET'S SAY WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING COME UP. WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THE RULES IN THE SPECIFIC INSTANCE AND ALLOW AN APPLICANT
ADDITIONAL TIME? >> YOU DO. AND IT JUST TAKES TWO THIRDS. EMOTION AND THE THE SECOND AND TWO THIRDS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL AND NOT A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO DO THAT.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT WOULD BE FOR A PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL .
IF WE SUSPENDED THE RULES, THAT MEANS WE WOULD SUSPENDED ACROSS THE BOARD SO EVERYONE CAN EXCEED THE FIVE MINUTES OR JUST THE ONE
PERSON WE APPLY IT TO? >> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WOULD BE THE ONE PERSON YOU APPLY IT TO. OF SOMEONE ELSE ASKS AND SAYS YOU GAVE SO-AND-SO , A NUMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAYS COME YOU GAVE THEM EXTRA TIME AND I WOULD LIKE EXTRA TIME, THAT IS THE QUANDARY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND WHAT YOU DECIDE. BUT THEY ARE YOUR RULES AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUSPEND THEM FROM ONE PERSON.
>> CONVERSELY, IF WE TAKE AN APPROACH THAT EVERY, LET'S JUST
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SAY DEVELOPMENT OF EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES UP FOR THE COUNCIL, WE WILL GIVE THAT LEAD PERSON, DEVELOPER, THE APPLICANT 10 MINUTES. IS THAT WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO CONSIDER QUICK SOMETIMES THAT IS MORE THAN ONE PER EVENING . WEKNOW AS WE ARE WATCHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDAS, THAT THAT WORLD IS RAMPING UP PRETTY GOOD RIGHT NOW . IT COULD BE -- I DON'T KNOW.I'M TRYING TO THINK METHODICALLY IF IT IS BETTER TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND HANDLE THIS ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AS OPPOSED TO A BLANKET APPROACH WHERE EVERY PROJECT -- AND I'M GUESSING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING PROJECTS AND NOT OTHER THINGS THAT COME OVER THE COUNCIL THAT COULD BE COLLOCATED AS WELL . OTHER NONDEVELOPMENT DECISIONS WE MAKE FROM TIME TO TIME THAT WOULD TAKE MORE TIME FOR US TO CONSIDER . THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SINCE KAYLEE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT KELLY AND TOMMY ARE ADVOCATING FOR -- INFORMING THE PUBLIC TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE COUNCIL TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION . I'M ALL FOR THAT.
HOW WE GET THERE, I'M STILL A LITTLE MURKY ON. I APPRECIATE
THAT FOR INFORMING. >> THE DECISION BEFORE YOU IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ADVANCED A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA TO ADJUST YOUR RULES. BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY -- WOULD NOT BE VOTING TONIGHT TO ADJUST THEM AT ALL. IT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT OFFICIALLY ON THE AGENDA.
>> THAT IS CORRECT . >> ANYONE ELSE ? WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS, IF FIVE MEMBERS OF THE BODY WERE IN FAVOR , WE WOULD BE ASKING THE STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD
-- >> COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD HAD REDLINED SOMETHING AND I HAD PUT INTO A FORMAL FORMAT FOR YOU.
BASICALLY WOULD BE RESOLUTION UNLESS YOU MODIFIED OTHERWISE TONIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED. THAT WOULD BE THE STARTING POINT ON A FUTURE AGENDA . IT WOULD BE THAT WITH JUST THE RED LINE
CHANGES. >> CERTAINLY AT THAT TIME, THERE COULD BE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT AMENDING WHAT
WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT NIGHT ? >> YES. ALL OF THE ABOVE. YOU CAN VOTE IT UP, DOWN, AMENDED OR POSTPONED ARE ALL THE USUAL
THINGS. >> WHAT ABOUT THE WAY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. IN THE MOMENT, ANYONE OF YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES. IT NEEDS A SECOND AND IT WILL NEED A TWO THIRDS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. YOU CAN SET A TIME LIMIT ON YOUR EXTENSION OF THE RULES. YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WISH IN THE MOMENT THAT EVENING. YOU HAVE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY .
>> AND I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PATH TO SUSPEND THE RULES ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE
COUNCIL. >> AS YOU SEE, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET TO THAT POINT, I'M OKAY WITH. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO, TO ALLOW A DEVELOPER A LITTLE MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. IF YOU CHOOSE TO NOT DISCUSS IT FURTHER, THEN WE CAN JUST GO ON ON THAT ROUTE . IFYOU LIKE TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER, IT COULD BE
ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM . >> I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY BUT I BELIEVE WE WOULD ALL AGREE, I THINK, THAT THE REALITY IS THAT WHEN WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON TUESDAY NIGHT, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE DIFFICULT AND CUMBERSOME AND HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION POINTS . SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE OPEN THE BOOK UP AND SAY, THAT WILL BE A HARD ONE AND WE NEED TO SUSPEND THE RULES. ADDING WE ALL HAVE AN INCLINATION THAT THIS WILL BE AN ITEM WE WILL VOTE ON THAT WILL TAKE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
>> AND YET THE ONE GOT BY US. WE HAD ONE THAT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DISCUSSION BUT WE ADHERED TO THE FIVE MINUTE RULE AND GRANTED, I DID NOT OFFER TO SUSPEND THE RULE AND I DID NOT THINK ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. ANY OF US COULD HAVE DONE THAT . WE COULD HAVE ASKED OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS FOR THAT MATTER. THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THOSE RULES AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS NEEDED TO APPLY THAT. IF THAT IS THE CONSENSUS, I CAN WITHDRAW THE PROPOSAL FOR THE AMENDMENT .
>> I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE IDEA BEHIND IT .
I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE THE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO SUSPEND THE RULES OR ASK THE QUESTIONS WE NEEDED . IN MY ALMOST THREE YEARS , I RECALL THIS BEING THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE RUN INTO IT.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SITTING UP HERE LONGER THEN ME WE HAVE RUN INTO IT BEFORE . I KIND OF LEANED TOWARD NOT TAKING THE
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BLANKET APPROACH BUT A SINGULAR APPROACH IN SUSPENDING THE RULES ON ITEMS THAT WE FEEL WOULD TAKE PLACE . AND WE WON'T FIND THAT TO BE AS OFTEN AS WE THINK. I GIVE PEOPLE 10 MINUTES. THEY PROBABLY WILL TAKE -- NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T BUT THEY WILL TAKE THE FULL 10 MINUTES AND I THINK WE CAN ALLOW THAT IN OTHER WAYS.>> WELL SAID, JUNIOR. >> WE SUSPEND THE RULES AND AT TIMES, WE WOULD GIVE THEM 10 EXTRA MINUTES OR FIVE EXTRA
>> THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DECISION WE MAKE.
>> TWO THIRDS OF THE COUNCIL. >> AND WE WOULD SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND GIVE THEM FIVE MINUTES FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND I WILL CHECK ON THE FULL RULES AND WE WILL SEND YOU A PROCEDURE. I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK AND DON'T HAVE MY BOOK WITH ME, IF IT IS AMENDABLE FROM THEIR ARE NOT. I WILL CHECK .
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS THAT WE EXUDE -- THAT WE USE EXISTING PROCEDURES AND DO IT ON A ONE-OFF .
>> IN THAT CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THE PROPOSAL FOR THE
AMENDED RESOLUTION. >> KUDOS FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD AND SUGGESTING THAT AND THIS WILL HOPEFULLY GET US TO
[4. QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA.]
WHERE WE NEED TO GO. >> THANK YOU.
>> QUESTIONS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR THE CITY MAJOR. ANY
QUESTIONS? >> CITY MAJOR, ANYTHING FOR US?
>> SOMETHING SINCE WE DO PART OF THE OFFICE. MATTERS 8D1 AND D2 WHICH ARE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT. WE NEED TO MAKE A MINOR CHANGE TO ONE OF THE REPORTS SO THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE OFF THE AGENDA. AND YOU WILL SEE THOSE REAPPEAR ON THE NEXT AGENDA .
SMALL CHANGE WE NEED TO MAKE TO SATISFY A CONCERN THE DIRECTOR HAS AND WE WANT TO GET TO THAT CHANGE .
>> THAT IS OFF THE AGENDA? >> OFF THE AGENDA.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE HE WANTS TO MAKE. IT NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE IN WHAT YOU ARE ADOPTING. AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE A LAST-MINUTE CHANGE ON YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE OF HOW EVERYTHING READS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.