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CALL THIS JUNE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. IF THERE IS ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO
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SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON TWO NIGHTS AGENDA. SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. WE DO HAVE AN OLD BUSINESS ITEM 2 TENDS TO. -- TO TEND TO.>> STRAIGHT TO IT. THIS IS AMENDMENT THAT WE PUT FORWARD LAST TIME. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. JUST FOR A REFRESHER FOR EVERYONE, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USES ALLOWED TO EXPAND SOME COMMERCIAL USES TO BE ALLOWED THROUGH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN RURAL. JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY. I WILL GO BACK. WE INCLUDED SEVERAL MAPS WITH THE RURAL LOSS ON ARTERIAL, INTERSECTIONS, AND ALSO A TABLE THAT INCLUDES THE USES WE ARE CHANGING.
ALL RIGHT. JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS WOULD BE OPENING UP THESE USES. BOOK COPY, MUSIC AND SPORTING GOODS STORES, PROFESSIONAL STUDIOS, RESTAURANT, SPECIALTY FOOD STORES, ALL OTHERS ENCOMPASSING THE COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT SECTION. AND NOT PERTAINING TO THE REST OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND THEN, COMMUNITY REC CENTER, CONVENIENCE STORE, SMALL GROCERY, LESS THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET, NO FUEL AND MOBILE FOOD COURT. THESE USES WOULD NOW BE PERMITTED THROUGH CONDITIONAL
USE APPLICATION. >> COULD YOU GO BACK ONE? I WAS NOTICING, FOR EXAMPLE, GARDEN SUPPLY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE , I CAN SEE, OUT IN A RURAL AREA.
>> YEAH. I MEAN -- SO IF YOU WANT TO AMEND, ADD TO OR TAKE AWAY, YOU ARE FREE TO DO THAT. THE REQUEST YOU HAD FROM LAST TIME, YOU WANT A MORE GUARDRAILS BEYOND JUST OPENING THINGS UP TO ALL OF THE RURAL LOTS IN THE CITY. IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE MAPS, THAT IS WHAT WE LOOKED AT. THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND INCLUDING ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS AND LOOKING AT INTERSECTIONS, FOR EVERYBODY IN THE CROWD, WE HAVE A ZONING ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS COMMERCIAL USES IN A SHOPPING CENTER, BUT IT MUST EXIST AT AN INTERSECTION TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING ALL
>> THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS LOOKING AT IT . CAN IT LOCATE ON ARTERIAL ROADS? WE MADE A MAP THAT INCLUDED THE PARCELS. THE RURAL PARCELS ON ARTERIAL ROADS, THE ONES ON COLLECTOR ROADS, AND ALSO AT INTERSECTIONS. YOU CAN SEE ON THE ARTERIAL ROADS, YOU HAVE THE BIG CORRIDORS. A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOTS. SUMMER LARGELY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THOSE ARE ALL THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY, BUT YOU MAY NOTICE SOME OF THE OMISSIONS, THE BIG OMISSIONS WHERE THERE ARE EXISTING COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ALREADY. TRAILERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ALSO SOME DEER PROCESSING PLACES IN SOME OF THESE OTHER SPOTS. THE COLLECTORS MAP IS THE NEXT ONE. YOU WILL SEE EVEN LESS STILL. SOME OF THOSE ARE INFILL LOTS WERE THERE HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING YET. IT IS NOT REALLY -- IT IS NOT REALLY -- FOR THE USE , SOME OF THESE ARE ALREADY SPOKEN FOR. BUT INFILL MAKES MORE SENSE FOR SOME PLACES, LIKE THE COLLECTOR SPOTS WE ARE LOOKING AT. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL THESE VISUALS WE ALL COULD SEE THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE OPENING UP -- IF WE USE THESE GUARDRAILS ,
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ESTABLISHING A THRESHOLD THAT AT MINIMUM IT HAS TO BE COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROAD, I THINK THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE A REASONABLE COMPROMISE. I THINK ONE OF THE GUARDRAILS YOU WERE LOOKING FOR BUT I THINK THE ONLY THING I DO WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO, THESE ARE OUR ARTERIAL ROADS AND COLLECTOR ROADS. WHEN I SAY THAT, IF A MUNICIPALITY HAS THEIR OWN CLASSIFICATION IN THE JURISDICTION. THERE ARE SOME ROADS THAT PARCELS ARE ADDRESSED OFF OF THAT IS IN CITY LIMITS NOT CLASSIFIED BY US. THOSE ROADS ARE CLASSIFIED BY ANOTHER JURISDICTION. THAT MAY BE BY THE COUNTY, MPO OR CITY MY ALSO CLASSIFIED AS. WE GET TO THAT POINT IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE THRESHOLD FOR COLLECTOR AND ARTERIAL, I WILL PROMPT YOU GUYS , IS THAT ANYBODY'S ? ALSO, THE PROCEDURE FOR THAT, IF WE WERE TO TAKE OVER ROAD, LIKE WE HAD ENOUGH ADDRESSES ON BOTH SIDES, BUT NEVER THE EXISTING CONVOCATION WAS GIVEN BY ANOTHER BODY, THAT IS THE CLASSIFICATION THAT WE WOULD ADOPT. I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THAT. BUT I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. ALL THE ROADS IT MAY NOT BE CLASSIFIED IN THE MAJOR STREET PLAN HAVE A CLASSIFICATION IF THEY ARE NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION. IT HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED BY SOME DEALS. THE STANDARD PROCEDURE HAS BEEN.>> DOES THAT HAVE TO BE WRITTEN INTO THIS UPDATE? IS THAT TAKEN
CARE OF ANOTHER WAY? >> I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT ALL INCLUSIVE OF THE THRESHOLD, EITHER COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS, KINDA GIVEN BY ANYBODY. WE WOULD CHECK THAT. IS NOT LIKE -- IT IS PRETTY DEFINED. IF IT IS UNCLASSIFIED, WE COULD FIND ANOTHER MAP WHERE IT WAS CLASSIFIED AND GO OFF OF THAT. WHEN I CAME BEFORE YOU ALL, IT WOULD BE IN THE STAFF REPORT REFERENCING. HERE IS A MAP THAT EITHER MEETS OR NOT.
AND WON'T BE A BLACK BOX OF TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT.
>> I REALLY LIKE THE APPROACH HERE. THIS HELPS OUT A LOT COMPARED TO THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS. THE ONE QUESTION I KIND OF HAVE, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT BOTH ?
>> -- ARTERIALS, I CAN SEE THAT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD SENSE, BUT NOW WE ARE GOING DOWN INTO LOWER VOLUME TRAFFIC, LOWER
SPEEDS. >> THAT MIRRORS THE THRESHOLD FOR LTD. ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS FOR BOTH. IT IS THAT ONE AS WELL. THAT ONE IS AT AN INTERSECTION. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT MAP. NOW YOU CAN SEE AN INTERSECTION OF A COLLECTOR AND ARTERIAL, THERE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. THAT WOULD UNDERMINE WHAT WE WERE GOING AFTER. I THINK IF WE SET THE THRESHOLD, IN MY MIND, OF THE FLOOR AS TO EVEN HAVE THE CONVERSATION OF A COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL, AND LOOKING AT IT FROM A PLACE STAMPER, IT IS POSSIBLE YOU CAN STILL BE ON A COLLECTOR AND IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND GO, I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WERE INTENDING. I THINK WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT. THIS DOESN'T REALLY MEET THE LEVEL OF INTENSITY YOU WOULD BE GENERATING . IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR. AND SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE MIRROR RURAL CROSSROADS OR ARE FAR ENOUGH OUT TO BE A DESTINATION UNTO ITSELF, I THINK THAT IS MUCH MORE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN ARTERIAL LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMEONE IS, I THINK I WILL TEAR MY HOUSE DOWN AND BUILD SOMETHING ELSE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR. AT THAT TIME, I THINK WE WOULD CONSIDER IT, BUT BY LOOKING AT THE MAP OF THE DESIGNATION OF WHAT THE INTERSECTIONS ARE -- AND ALSO, EVEN THE BIG ONE, THAT IS RICHLAND ROAD. A LOT OF THAT IS ALREADY PLANNED FOR. A LOT OF THESE ARE INFILL LOTS. MY THINK LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE THRESHOLD OF THE COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL, I THINK THIS ALLOWS US TO ACHIEVE THE DESTINATION OF RURAL SOMEWHERE OF BEING THE COMMERCIAL USE DESTINATION, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS A RURAL CROSSROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING THAT THEN TRIES UP THE INTENSITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WAS NEVER INTENDED. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THE VISUALS OUT. THIS IS WHAT THE MAPS LOOK LIKE IF YOU WERE TO ALLOW THIS FROM THINKING ABOUT IT FROM AN ARTERIAL STANDPOINT OR COLLECTOR STANDPOINT. I ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE A CAVEAT THAT, IF IT IS UNCLASSIFIED BY OUR CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM, WE WOULD UTILIZE THE CLASSIFICATION GIVEN TO IT BY ANOTHER MISCIBILITY --
MUNICIPALITY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE
TEXT AMENDMENT. >> I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT YOURSELF? I AM A LITTLE HARD OF HEARING.
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>> THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. OKAY. SEEING NO ONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS.
>> HOW DO WE MAKE THE MOTION? DO WE NEED -- TO CATCH THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS NOT DESIGNATED BY US , BUT BY ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY HAS DESIGNATED WHAT TYPE OF ROAD IT
IS. >> I THINK IF WE WANT TO OFFER THAT AMENDED TO , IT EITHER HAS TO BE ON THE THRESHOLD OF A COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL FOR IT TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BE -- TO UTILIZE THE CONDITIONAL USE, I THINK YOU CAN ADD THAT.
>> I WANT TO CLEAN THAT UP AHEAD OF TIME.
>> THINKING THROUGH THE LANGUAGE. IT WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE OF ANY STANDARD. WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE LANGUAGE. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL DEFINITELY CLEANUP GOING TO COUNCIL. WE WILL WORK WITH LEGAL ON WHAT THAT NEEDS TO SAY. JUST THE MENTION OF IT I THINK WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. WE WILL CLEAN THAT UP AND HAVE IT READY TO GO FOR THE COUNCIL. FOR THE COUNCIL, IT WILL RESEMBLE WHAT IT WILL ACTUALLY READ IN THE ORDINANCE. AND SO, IT WILL BE CLEAN AS FAR AS -- A SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH AN ASTERISK THAT SAYS MUST BE ON ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS, AND I GUESS A SECOND ONE THAT SAYS, IF NOT DESIGNATED BY THE CITY, WILL USE DESIGNATION GIVEN BY ANOTHER
MUNICIPALITY. >> THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE CONDITIONAL USES WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT THESE CONDITIONAL USES ARE ONLY APPROPRIATE ON COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS AS DESIGNATED BY THE CITY OF AUBURN, OR ANY OTHER
MUNICIPALITY OR GOVERNING BODY. >> I THINK THAT CAPTURES IT.
>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. >> I SOLD -- I THINK THE ONLY
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THING ON CONSENT AGENDA IS MINUTES.[2. Preliminary Plat - Auburn Farms Phase 1 - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> CONSENT AGENDA IS JUST THE MINUTES FOR PACKET AND REGULAR
MEETING FOR MAY. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> AYE. >> THANK YOU . NEW BUSINESS.
>> ALL RIGHT. AUBURN FARMS PHASE 1. THE ACTUAL REQUEST IS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR 95 WATT PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, 42 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED LOSS, 51 TOWNHOUSE LOTS, ONE OPEN-SPACE LOT AND ONE UTILITY LOT. SO LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE OVERVIEW ON MONDAY, IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE OUT THERE, ALL THIS IS ALREADY CONSTRUCTED. IT IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE WAS IMPLEMENTOR PLOT, AND THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STRUCTURE. THINGS GOT HAYWIRE, AND THEY WENT IN WHILE. THE RECENT MEETING WE HAD AROUND THIS WAS, THE ONLY CONCERNS REALLY WERE IF THE , ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN, IF IT WAS IN GOOD CONDITION, IF THEY WOULD GO TO FINAL PLAT. THERE SOME OTHER MOVING PARTS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH SARAH LANE. STAFF DECIDED IT WOULD BE BEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. THAT IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE FINAL PLAT PROPOSED. THE DELIMITER PLAT IS THE 95 LOT PLAT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL. THE ONLY OTHER CHANGE WAS HOW THE FLOODPLAIN INCREASED IN THE AREA OVER HERE.
IT MIGHT AFFECT THE CONSTRUCTION OF SOME OF LOTS . BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING ACCOUNTED FOR THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT. FOR THE PHASE 1 DENSITY, 3.28 ACRES . IT IS IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING PDD. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A REVERTER CLAUSE FOR ALL EXISTING PDD IF THERE IS NOT ACTION WITHIN THEM AND UNDER THEM THAT THEY REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING DESIGNATION. THERE WAS ACTION ON THIS. THIS ONE WAS CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL PLAT. I GUESS ALL THE UTILITIES ARE THERE AND EVERYTHING. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> IS THIS APPLICANT HERE? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS?
>> MY ONLY QUESTION WAS WITH RESPECT TO OPEN-SPACE REQUIREMENTS. IT IS ABOUT ONE ACRE SHORT. HAD THAT BEEN DEALT
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WITH IN PREVIOUS ACTION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION?>> LIKE IN THE ENTIRETY? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SPACE?
>> FOR THE SPACE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE BASE ZONE , 4.26 ACRES, PROPOSED SUBDIVISION INCLUDES 3.93 ACRES, RICK ORIGINAL OPEN SPACE IS 14%. JUST A TAD SHORT.
>> YEAH, SO -- SORRY. ON THAT, HOW WE TALKED ABOUT, ALL PRELIMINARY PLANS, ALL THE COMMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY DEFICIENCIES. IF YOU ALL WANTED TO TOUCH THERE TWO WAYS TO HANDLE THIS. OUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS WAS TO PUT THE COMMENTS FORTH ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MAY NOT MEET, AND SINCE THEY ARE TRYING TO COME BACK IMMEDIATELY WITH THE FINAL PLAT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, FINAL PLATS CANNOT COME BEFORE YOU ALL UNTIL ALL COMMENTS ARE ADDRESSED. THERE ARE AREAS OF INEFFICIENCIES. YOU SAW THE NOTATIONS IN THE GIS AND THE PLANNING COMMENTS. THAT WILL HAVE TO BE RECTIFIED. THEY WILL NEED TO REARRANGE SOME OF THE LOTS TO DO THAT. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS JUST THAT, PRELIMINARY.
THE FINAL PLAT WILL THEN HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. THAT 15% WILL NEED TO BE MADE UP BY THE FINAL PLAT, OR IT WON'T COME BEFORE YOU
ALL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. DISCIPLINARY PLAT DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK ON AUBURN FARMS PHASE 1. PLEASE COME OVER NOW.
SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL COME BACK TO COMMISSIONERS WITH COMMENTS,
QUESTIONS OR MOTIONS. >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE CASE
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> PEARTREE FUNDS. THE REQUEST IS FOR DELIMITER PLAT APPROVAL
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FOR A 37 LOT SUBDIVISION. THIS IS UP ON YOUR TREE ROAD. THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PRESERVE, AND ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO THE PRESERVE. THIS ONE HAS COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE AND GOT PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION IT MIRRORED THE DENSITY OF THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPING, WHICH IS 2.7 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WORKED OUT. THE INTERVIEW ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TWO OPEN-SPACE LOTS OF THE FRONT AND OPEN-SPACE IN THE BACK THAT ALSO HAS A LOT WITH A RETENTION POND. THE DENSITY DOES ME, AND IS, IN LINE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ITS OWN SEPARATE PDD. THIS WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED PRIOR TO THE REVERTER CLAUSE WHEN THAT -- WHEN PDD NOT ACTED UPON GO BACK. THIS IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT RULE BY ABOUT A YEAR. THAT IS HOW THIS ONE WAS ABLE TO HANG OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND THEN BE ACTED UPON NOW WITH APRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 37 LOT. >> WITH THE ORIGINAL PDD.
>> CORRECT. WHEN THIS INITIALLY CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS 2018, THAT WAS THE CONDITION THAT IT NEEDED TO BE IN LINE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. THE DENSITIES MATCH .
>> DID YOU SAY THIS IS A SEPARATE PDD FROM THE
SURROUNDING? >> THAT IS CORRECT. IF YOU PULL IT UP ON A MAP, THIS IS THE PEARTREE FARMS . IT DOES CONNECT TO IT. I KNOW THEY'RE BOTH CROSSHATCH, BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT. IF YOU PULL THEM UP ON GIS AND CLICK ON IT, THEY ARE
DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. >> -- I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU
OFFER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. DO YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS PRIOR? THIS PLANARITY PLAT DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT NOW FOR PEARTREE FARMS PHASE 2 . PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WE COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SIGN
>> I'M OKAY. MY FOOT WAS JUST A SLEEP.
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>> CAN WE HAVE A FIREFIGHTER COME DOWN? WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE
YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF. >> I'M SO SORRY, FOLKS. THAT WAS JUST DEAD IS A DOORNAIL.
>> I MOVE THAT WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS.
>> WE WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
>> MY NAME IS HELEN MARTIN. I AM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE PIECE IN QUESTION. I JUST HAVE A FEW, A FEW BASIC QUESTIONS THAT JUST DID NOT GET ANSWERED IN THE INFORMATION THAT
I FOUND ON THE WEBSITE. >> EXCUSE ME. I JUST WANT TO SAY, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOT QUESTION SESSIONS. I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE END. IF YOU WANT TO ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, AND THEN I WILL ANSWER THEM ONCE THE PUBLIC
HEARING IS CLOSED. >> THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THE CERTIFIED LETTER WE GOT STATED WE SHOULD CALL KATIE ROBINSON FOR QUESTIONS . PHONE LINES WERE NOT ANSWERED AND SUBSEQUENT
CALLS -- >> WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
>> I HOPE IT WAS AN EMERGENCY. OKAY. THESE ARE SIMPLE QUESTIONS, BUT I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE JARGON. WHAT IS A DART QUICK WHAT IS LPV? THAT IS TO OF MY QUESTIONS. THEN WE GET TO THE PLAT. YOU WANT TO PUT THE FIRST ONE BACK UP FOR JUST A MOMENT? IT IS NOT GERMANE , I KNOW TO THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I WILL CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH AND WESTERN SIDE OF THE PLAT AND DISCUSSION WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THOSE . THE VERY FIRST ONE IS MINE. I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SECOND AND THIRD ONE, THAT IS ONE LOT AND HAS BEEN FOR ANY NUMBER OF YEARS. JUST FOR THE RECORD.
IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THIS. YOU SEE THAT? APPARENTLY RESURVEYED TOGETHER IN ORDER TO BUILD THE HOUSE BEFORE IT WAS BUILT. OKAY.
MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE WATER AND DRAINAGE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF , I BELIEVE IT IS REFERRED TO AS A STREET A, OF THAT STREET IS GOING TO BE PAVED WITH GUTTERS AND STORM DRAINS .
AND IF THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, THEN I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT WATER IS GOING TO BE DIRECTED . IS IT GOING TO BE DIRECTED TO THAT DETENTION POOL THAT SHOWS ON THE MAP? OR CONVERSELY, -- NEXT SLIDE. UP -- BACK. THIS ONE. UP ON THE VERY,
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VERY TOP ON THE SPACE THAT IS OPEN-SPACE, THAT IS THE LOT THAT IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE DRIVEWAY FACING PEAR TREE ROAD. THERE IS A MARK ON THAT THAT GOES ACROSS PEAR TREE ROAD . IT SAYS, AND YOU HAD TO REALLY ENLARGE THIS THING TO GET TO READ IT, IT SAYS, PROPOSED DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IN THE HECK YOU ARE GOING TO DRAIN THERE, BECAUSE MY MAILBOX HAPPENS TO SIT THERE. THIS PARTICULAR LOT OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT SPOT IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THE SURFACE UNIT ON PEAR TREE ROAD. I AM STANDING ON PEAR TREE ROAD AND IT IS PROBABLY MAYBE THREE OR FOUR FEET DOWN OFF THE ROAD BEFORE YOU GET TO GROUND LEVEL. SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DRAIN? ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A PIPE ACROSS THE STREET AND IT SOMETIME THEY DECIDE TO DO A DIFFERENT AND DUMP IT INTO MY FRONT YARD? GIVE ME A BREAK. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. JUST MAKES NO SENSE AS TO WHY YOU WOULD HAVE A DRAINAGE. AND WHEN YOU BLOW UP THE MAP, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TOPOLOGICAL DESIGNATIONS FOR THE FLOW OF THE LAND, AND IF YOU DO THAT, YOU WILL SEE THE FLOW COMES BASICALLY FROM THE TOP OF THIS PROPERTY DOWN TOWARD WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING AS WET WEATHER SPRAY. THAT IS THE NORMAL FLOW OF THE LAND. IT RAISES A QUESTION TO ME AS TO WHY IT IS EVEN ON HERE, AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. LAST BUT NOT LIST -- LEAST, WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT FOR PHASE 1 OF THIS. TREE FARMS CAME UP, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. I CAN'T FIND ANY NOTES AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT, EXCEPT THE GIST OF IT. I QUESTIONED WHY THEY DIDN'T PUT AN ENTRANCE INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT STREET A DEAD-END, WHICH IS THE PHASE 1 OF PEARTREE FARMS, WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE IT SO IT COULD BE AN OUTLET FOR THE PRESERVE? THE ANSWER AT THAT POINT IN TIME WAS THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE WET WEATHER SPRING, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A BRIDGE . I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. BUT IT WAS ALLUDED TO. IN THESE NOTES THAT KATIE PREPARED IN THE LAST SECTION -- AND THAT IS WHAT I ASKED ABOUT, THERE IS A COMMENT ABOUT A NATURAL CONSERVATION AREA THAT SHOWS ON AN OLD PLAT THAT IS NOT SHOWING HERE. WELL, IF IT WAS IMPORTANT THEN, IT IS STILL IMPORTANT. WHY IS IT NOT SHOWING? SO IF THERE IS PART OF THAT THAT SHOULD BE ON THIS PLAT, THEN MAYBE IT IS SUPPOSED TO REMAIN UNDISTURBED . IT ISNOT SHOWING. >> YOUR FIVE MINUTES IS UP. IS
THAT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS? >> THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> FORGIVE ME FOR THE GRAND
ENTRANCE. >> IT'S OKAY. WE ARE GLAD
YOU'RE OKAY. >> BUT YOU WILL REMEMBER MY NAME. NOW ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS?
>> ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM IS DONE, I WILL ANSWER
QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE
WHOLE THING? >> NO, JUST THIS.
>> THANK YOU VERY KINDLY. >> ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PEARTREE FARMS PHASE 2? I DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING FOR. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> OKAY. SO FIRST QUESTIONS, DART STANDS FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TEAM. WHEN ALL OF THE APPROVED PLANS, PRELIMINARY PLATS , CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, ET CETERA, WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. THAT IS PLANNERS ASSIGNED TO THE CASE, ENGINEERS FROM ENGINEERING, RESOURCE
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MANAGEMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY, INCLUDING FIRE AND EMS, AND ALSO INSPECTIONS. EVERYBODY IS REVIEWING THE PLAN FOR THEIR OWN STANDARDS AND CODES. AT THIS LEVEL, PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT THE GRANULE DETAILS AND DETAILS TO MAKE SURE COMPLIES WITH EVERYTHING IS REVIEWED AND CONFIRMED BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TEAM. D RT IS THE PROCESS THAT ALL PROJECTS GO THROUGH TO WORK TOWARDS GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT, ESSENTIALLY. IT IS AFTER -- IT IS AFTER THIS PROCESS. AND SO, WITH D RT, THAT IS WHEN DRAINAGE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS ARE LOOKED AT. WAS IT LVT?>> LPD >> I AM LOOKING THROUGH THE
PACKET. >> THAT CAME UP , ACTUALLY, A WEEK AGO. SOMEONE ASKED FOR ONE OF THOSE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.
IT IS A LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT. THAT IS WHAT THAT IS. LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT. PRETTY MUCH, IT IS NOT GRADING, BUT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS ESSENTIALLY ONE OF THE THINGS, AS WE WORK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, SOMETIMES IT IS AGREED UPON, AND SOMETIMES THEY GET IT IN WRITING. I GUESS THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE TRAFFIC, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, AND ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INSPECTING AND DOING THE ACTUAL INSPECTIONS ON SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE BUILT COMPLY WITH THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AND REVIEWED. THAT IS ALSO ANOTHER PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
THERE ARE ACTIVE INSPECTORS GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT THAT.
THAT WOULD BE A LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT. ON YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT GUTTERS AND STORM DRAINS, I CAN ANSWER THAT, IT IS GOING TO BE PAVED. I WILL SWING AT TWO IN A SECOND ABOUT THE WATER RESOURCE
STUFF. >> SURE. LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WE DON'T HAVE ENGINEERING PLANS YET. WITH THE DENSITY ON THIS ONE, I WOULD ASSUME THEY ARE GOING TO PROPOSE CURB AND GUTTER . THE DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES, THEY ARE STILL AT THE FRONT. IT IS PROBABLY BEING PUT THERE BECAUSE THAT IS PRETTY TYPICAL TO GET A STANDARD 10 FOOT DRAINAGE AND UTILITY ALONG A
RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> NO CONSTRUCTION?
>> THE EASEMENT MAY BE PLATTED, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING WILL NECESSARILY BE THERE. IT RUNS ALONG WORST -- MOST OF OUR ROADWAYS. IT IS FOR THE USE OF FUTURE UTILITIES, BE IT PIPE OR EVEN PRIVATE UTILITIES THAT MAY NEED TO GET FURTHER OUT THAN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLOWS. THEY WOULD BE PUSHED DOWN TO THAT EASEMENT.
THAT IS WHAT THAT IS FOR. I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, BUT I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE , WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH ALL THE STORM WATER. I CAN SEE THE POND APPEARS TO BE PROPOSED AT THE REAR. I AGREE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE SITE IS DRAINING AWAY FROM FARMVILLE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING BEING DIRECTED IN THAT DIRECTION.
>> SHE ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSERVATION AREA. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA THAT EXISTED ON THE PASTA MAP? --
PAST MAP? >> FOR DRAINAGE, YOU ARE FREE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO ELABORATE ON THEIR PLANS FOR DRAINAGE AND
UTILITIES. ALSO, THE EASEMENT. >> APPLICANT.
>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED HE WILL ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS
FOR US. >> I WILL DO MY BEST. YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME OUT ON THE QUESTION STILL HANGING OUT . I WILL TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PIECE. IT IS A GOOD POINT THAT THE IS GENERALLY FALLEN FROM THE NORTHWEST SOUTH TOWARDS THE CREEK. THE PLAN WOULD BE, WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE TO PAVE THE ROAD, CURB AND GUTTER STORM DRAINAGE, ALL THE TYPICAL CITY STANDARD STUFF FOR A PUBLIC STREET. THE IDEA IS, OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE DEVELOPED FINAL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS YET, BUT THE INTENT IS TO CARRY ALL THE DRAINAGE TO THE DETENTION POND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND COMPLY WITH ALL THE CITY UP A STORM WATER REGULATIONS FOR VOLUME AND QUALITY .
>> AND UTILITIES CROSSING PEER TREE. -- PEAR TREE ROAD.
>> TYPICALLY ON THESE SUBDIVISIONS, THE CITY WILL REQUIRE A DEDICATED 10 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT. THE WITH OFF THE FRONT PROPERTY BOUNDARY ALONG THE STREET FOR ANY FUTURE
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UTILITY EXPANSION USUALLY YOU WIND UP WITH NATURAL GAS, POWER, THAT KIND OF STUFF. WATER AND SEWER TENDS TO STAY OFF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT IS ON THIS PLAT. WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY CONSIDERING ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR AT THIS STAGE TO GO IN THAT UTILITY EASEMENT. BUT OUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT IN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN. ONE QUESTION WE MAY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH -- I KNOW PEARTREE IS STILL A COUNTY ROAD AT THAT POINT. THE UTILITY EASEMENT MAY NOT EVEN COME TO FRUITION. WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT. THERE'S NOTHING NECESSARILY PLANNED TO GO IN THAT UTILITY EASEMENT AT THIS TIME.>> THAT EASEMENT IS JUST SOMETHING YOU PUT IN ANTICIPATING THE CITY REQUIRING CONNECTIVITY FOR FUTURE USE.
>> CORRECT. >> THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY. THE RIGHT OF WAYS GET A FULL UTILITIES. PROBABLY ABOUT 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO WE STARTED REQUIRING NEW PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS TO ADD THE 10 FOOT DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS FOR ANY UTILITY EASEMENT THAT COULD THOUGH -- GO THERE. THE COULD BE A PUBLIC UTILITY OR PRIVATE UTILITY.
>> TO BE CLEAR, THAT PARALLELS PEAR TREE.
>> IT DOES NOT CROSS IT. THAT'S CORRECT. TECHNICALLY, WITH THE EASEMENT, WE ARE SHOWING WE COULD NOT NECESSARILY CROSS A UTILITY THROUGH THERE, ALTHOUGH THAT IS PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THAT EASEMENT WOULD NOT BE FOR CROSSING THE ROAD, NECESSARILY.
>> PART OF DRT IS STORMWATER RUNOFF IN THE DIRECTION.
>> WE HAVE TO SHOW WHERE IT IS GOING, HOW MUCH , ALL THE CALCULATIONS ASSOCIATED. WE PROVIDE ALL THAT PARIS LDP. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A CONSERVATION AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE ARE -- WE HAVE A VERY LARGE OPEN SPACE LOT THAT IS MORE FOR PRESERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES. WERE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT UNDISTURBED, PARTICULARLY SINCE THERE IS A JURISDICTIONAL STREAM BACK THERE. MAINTAINING ALL THE BUFFERS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. HOPEFULLY, THAT SPEAKS TO THAT QUESTION. AM I MISSING ANYTHING? OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE PP-2025-019.
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
[4. Conditional Use - Shug Jordan Substation - PUBLIC HEARING]
PUT THAT BACK DOWN WHEN YOU GET DONE, OKAY?>> THIS REQUEST IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A PUBLIC SERVICE USE, SPECIFICALLY ELECTRIC UTILITY SUBSTATION. IS LOCATED AT 1515 SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY . AS YOU CAN SEE, IT, AND ALL THE SURROUNDING USES, ARE IN THE CDD ZONING DISTRICT , WHICH DO PERMIT THIS CONDITIONALLY. THAT IS WHY IT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS MUCH DETAIL THAT NEEDS TO BE GOTTEN INTO ABOUT WHAT THE PURPOSE IS OF THE SUBSTATION , BUT THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION IT WILL BE ON THAT SITE THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU BEFORE.
RIGHT HERE , THERE IS A SLIVER OF THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE NORTH POINT NEIGHBORHOOD , AND HERE STARTS THE PARCELS THEMSELVES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTHWEST , I GUESS IT IS NOT ON THIS MAP, IS THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER FIRE TRAINING FACILITY THAT THE CITY USED TO UTILIZE. I DID RECEIVE SOME CORRESPONDENCE . IT WAS JUST ONE EMAIL. IT REPRESENTED THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR NORTH POINT HOMES . TWO OF THE MAIN REQUESTS WERE, WANTING A MINIMUM 10 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER ALONG THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE, BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, LIKE YOU DID EARLIER, THAT THERE TECHNICALLY ISN'T A SHARED PROPERTY LINE. THERE IS A VERY SLIGHT OPEN SPACE BUFFERING IN BETWEEN THEM . I STILL THINK THE INTENT OF THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE A BUFFER OF SOME SORT ADDITIONALLY. UNTIL WE GO INTO THE DRT PROCESS, WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPERVIOUS RATIO IS, SO
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WE CAN'T DETERMINE IF THE BUFFER IS A 10 OR 15 FOOT, BUT THE MINIMUM WOULD BE 10 FOOT BACKING UP TO THE VACANT SPACE.I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST, IF NEEDED. THE SECOND WOULD BE REQUESTING THAT THERE WERE NO CURB CUTS OR ENTRANCES ALONG NORTH POINT DRIVE, WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE OFF OF SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY . AS FAR AS WE HAVE BEEN TOLD, THE ACCESS WILL BE THE EXISTING ACCESS POINT THAT YOU SEE ON THE SITE PLAN OFF OF SHUG. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE ACCESSED MUCH. ONLY FOR MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING. WE THINK THAT WE CAN ALSO BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE DRT PROCESS. THERE WILL ALSO BE AN EIGHT FOOT BRICK WALL SCREENING .
>> AT WHAT LEVEL? -- I WILL WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE FINISHED.
>> THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAD. I CAN ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS. I KNOW THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE. THEY CAN GO INTO MORE
DETAIL. >> WITH THE SCREENING, WILL IT BE MORE LIKE THE ONE AT DEAN AND EAST UNIVERSITY?
>> I AM NOT SURE BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SEE SOME ELEVATIONS DURING THE NEXT PROCESS. WE HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD IN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT IT WILL BE SURROUNDING ALL SIDES EIGHT FOOT HIGH MADE OF BRICK. I AM SURE THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAIL IF ANYTHING HAS CHANGED OR SHIFTED.
>> THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME FOR THE SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY SUBSTATION . IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS ITEM. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
APPLICANT, IF YOU ARE HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH US --
>> YES, MADAM. >> ESTATE DEPARTMENT.
SPEAK. >> I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A PRETTY STRAIGHT POLICY ON NOT SHOWING THINGS. SINCE YOU DIDN'T SUBMIT
PRIOR -- JUST IGNORE . >> JUST IGNORE.
>> TO THE ISSUES RAISED , WE WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A BUFFER ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH EXISTING VEGETATION THAT IS THERE NOW.
THE ENTRANCE WILL BE OFF OF SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY.
>> WE CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
>> AND THE BRICK WALL? >> IT WILL BE SIMILAR . THERE IS A SUBSTATION SOUTH OF GLENN ON DEAN ROAD.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE CU-2025-ZERO 21.
[5. Conditional Use - KFT Alabama Expansion- PUBLIC HEARING]
>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> KFT ALABAMA EXPANSION. THE REQUEST IS FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR INDUSTRIAL USE MANUFACTURING FACILITY. THIS IS AT 272 ENTERPRISE DRIVE. THIS IS A 26,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS. KFT STAND FOR KOREA FUEL TECH . WE HAVE WE GOT A VERY ROUSING PRE-APP MEETING UNLIKE ANY OTHER. NORMALLY, THOSE MEETINGS ARE ABOUT CIVIL PLANS, WITH THEIR BUILDING, ET CETERA. WE ARE WE WENT INTO THE DETAILS, THE NUTS AND BOLTS, OF THE TECHNOLOGIES THEY ARE WORKING ON. VERY RIVETING. NOT TRAINED IN THAT. A LOT WAS OVER MY HEAD, BUT REALLY COOL TO LOOK AT. THIS IS A 26,000 SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING. THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT ON -- IT WAS NOT A CONTEMPLATED EXPANSION . IT WASN'T INCLUDED ON THE FIRST CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. SINCE THEY ARE ADDING MORE SPACE AND EXCEEDING THE SPACE INITIALLY APPROVED FOR, THEY NEED ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE. AS YOU ALL KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONES ARE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVALS. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU
OFFER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL OPEN THAT AT THIS TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT KFT ALABAMA EXPANSION . SEEING NO ONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS?
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>> MOVED TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE 2025-ZERO 21 FOR APPROVAL FOR AN INDUSTRIAL USE MANUFACTURING FACILITY.
>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
[6. Conditional Use - United Rentals- PUBLIC HEARING]
>> THIS IS ALSO A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR A ROAD SERVICE USE, SPECIFICALLY, EQUIPMENT RENTAL AND STORAGE LOCATED AT 2490 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET DIRECTLY SOUTH OF I-85 AND NORTHEAST OF THE AUBURN SOFTBALL COMPLEX. IT'S NOT A COMPLETE CHANGE OF THE CURRENT USE. THE CURRENT USE IS ALSO FOR, OR WAS FOR THE SALE OF LARGE AND SMALL EQUIPMENT , AND RENTAL AS WELL.
THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A TRANSITION USE TO WHAT IS BEING RENTED AND STORED ON THE SITE TO THE STORE PORTABLE AND FIXED
SANITATION EQUIPMENT. >> IS THAT A PORTA POTTY?
>> THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT SPECIFICALLY. BASED ON THE MAP THAT HAS FLIPPED, YOU WILL SEE THAT I-85 IS HERE, AND THIS IS THE PARKING LOT FOR THE SOFTBALL COMPLEX. THERE IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER HERE . THERE'S ALSO A SLIGHT BUFFER . IT EXISTS ON THE FRONT END. ON THE REAR, THERE IS 30 FEET APPROXIMATELY OF SEPARATION BETWEEN WHERE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY STARTS. THERE ARE SOME PLANTINGS. IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN THERE, YOU KNOW THERE IS KIND OF A DROP IN THE ELEVATION FROM THE INTERSTATE TO THIS LOT.
EVEN THOUGH THERE IS SOME BUFFERING AND SOME TREES, IT IS STILL PRETTY VISIBLE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE AREN'T REQUIRING ANY ADDITIONS OR CHANGES TO THE BUFFERS. THE USE IT SELF IS NOT GETTING MORE IMPACTFUL. IT DOES MEET ALL OF OUR STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. ANYTHING FURTHER IS UP TO THE PLANNING
>> LIKE AT THAT, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE IT -- IF YOU
WANT ANY SPECIFICS. >> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THAT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM. SEEING NO ONE.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS?
>> PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING.
INAUDIBLE ] >> THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND
OF VISUAL BUFFER. >> APPLICANT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE
TO COME FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. MICHAEL ROGERS OUT OF EL DORADO, ARKANSAS. I DO ONE NATIONALLY FOR UNITED RENTALS, VARIOUS PROJECTS. FOR THIS ONE, THERE'S NO PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH GETTING THROUGH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND PROCESS THAT LEADS TO THAT. FOR THIS, THIS IS AN EXISTING UNITED LOCATION. THIS IS NOT A CHANGE IN BUSINESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WERE UNITED RENTALS HAS VARIOUS SOLUTION BRANCHES , DIFFERENT TYPES OF BRANCHES, EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME RENTAL ENVIRONMENT. FOR THIS, A PORTA POTTY IS THE WAY WE CALL IT IN EL DORADO, BUT IT IS -- IT IS TO WHERE THESE AREN'T FIXED UNITS. BOTH THE TRADITIONAL PORTA POTTY, BUT ALSO TRAILERS, ALSO ANY OTHER TYPE OF SANITATION EQUIPMENT. THIS IS NOT A PLACE WHERE CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO COME IN. THIS IS VERY MUCH WHAT WE CONSIDER A DISTRIBUTION HUB TO WHERE OUR CONTRACTORS, EVENT PLANNERS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE AREA, EVERYTHING IS COMING AND GOING FROM THIS. WE WANT TO BE SURE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE IS NO DUBBING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS US AND -- THIS IS SIMPLY A PLACE FOR UNITS TO BE. WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEIR CLEAN ON THE INSIDE AND OUT. WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEIR CLEAN ON THE INSIDE AND OUT. THE ONLY WASH BAY OR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE SITE WE CALL DUSTING. IF IT SITS THERE FOR A WEEK BEFORE IT GOES OUT AGAIN, WE SIMPLY WASH IT DOWN. THERE'S LITERALLY A HOSTESS TO CLEAN IT UP BEFORE IT GOES BACK OUT TO A JOB SITE.
>> THERE IS NO FILLING? >> WATER.
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>> OKAY. >> THERE WILL BE SOME HOLDING TANKS THAT WILL FILL THE UNITS , BUT IT IS ONLY WATER.
>> OKAY. >> WHERE ON THE SITE WITH THE
PORTA POTTIES BE STORED? >> LET ME GET MY BLOWN UP VERSION. WE HAVE LAID OUT THE SITE AT THE REQUEST. LET ME WALK AROUND WHENEVER YOU'RE DRIVING IN, LET'S START AT THE BOTTOM.
THERE WILL BE EMPLOYEE PARKING. THEN THERE IS AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY THERE. THEN THERE WILL BE TRAILER STORAGE IN FRONT OF AN EXISTING SHOP AGAINST THE INTERSTATE.
THAT IS TRAILER STORAGE. THAT IS NOT A LOCATION WHERE THE TRADITIONAL PORTA POTTIES WILL BE. THIS IS MORE THE LARGER SCALE UNITS. MULTIPLE UNITS. THOSE ARE MOST DEFINITELY A NICER VISUAL. THEN THERE IS THE EXISTING SHOP ON THE TOP LEFT.
WHERE SAYS PLASTIC STORAGE AREA, ACROSS THAT TOP, THAT IS WHERE WHAT WE CALL THOSE TRADITIONAL PORTA POTTIES. THEN THERE IS SERVICE TRUCK PARKING AND FENCING PANELS TO THE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE. THAT IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF THE SALES THAT THE BRANCH DOES AS FAR AS TEMPORARY FENCING AS WELL.
>> IS THAT OPEN , AN OPEN STRUCTURE WHERE YOU STACK THEM
IN THERE? >> IT IS NOT A STRUCTURE. ANY OF THESE ARE SIMPLY JUST AREAS ON-SITE. THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR ANY OF THE BUILDINGS CHANGING. IT IS AN OPEN SITE, AND WE ARE DESIGNATING AREAS TO SAY THIS IS WHERE THOSE WILL BE VERY MUCH
STACKED AGAINST THE FENCE. >> OKAY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> WE HAVE LOOKED AT -- I'M SORRY. WE UNDERSTAND THE SCREENING IS A CONCERN. BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION, THE THING ON THAT, WE WERE LOOKING AT, EVEN IF WE DID AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, IT WOULD SERVE NO DIFFERENCE FROM THE INTERSTATE. THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREENING WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY EXTREME, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME WIND CONCERNS AS FAR AS WHAT STRUCTURAL WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THAT. THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHENEVER WE WERE HAVING ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS. THAT IS ALSO WHY WE AT LEAST PROVIDED SOME NATURAL BEHIND THAT EXISTING SHOP , HAVING SOME
OF THOSE PLASTICS. >> AND THEN, YOU WOULD HAVE THE
TRAILERS OUT. >> WE WOULD HAVE THE TRAILERS
OUT , YES. >> I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN, AS YOU GET OFF THE INTERSTATE, YOU SEE ALL THESE PORTA POTTIES. I CAN JUST HEAR THE JOKES.
>> FOR WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, AS YOU'RE GETTING OFF THE INTERSTATE AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION CHANGE, IT IS VERY MUCH, AS YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THERE, IT IS BACK HERE MANATT UP HERE -- NOT APPEAR. BECAUSE OF THE TREE LINE, BY THE TIME YOU ARE EXITING, IT IS BACK RIGHT BEFORE YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THAT PAST THE TREES. THE ELEVATION IS NOT WHERE IT IS RIGHT THERE IN YOUR FACE.
>> COULD YOU MAYBE DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE TRAILER WILL
LOOK LIKE? >> SURE. THERE ARE UNITS TO WHERE THEY ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE. IF YOU'RE GOING OUT TO AN EVENT, SOMETIMES , SAY, THERE IS THREE --
>> FOOTBALL GAMES WITH MEN AND WOMEN ALL AT ONCE.
>> IT IS WHERE, WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE -- THE PORTA POTTIES ARE SOMETHING THAT GO OUT TO CONSTRUCTION SITES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MAYBE LARGE-SCALE EVENTS. BUT WE -- WHENEVER WE HAVE MUNICIPAL EVENTS SPONSORED BY THE COLLEGE OR CITY, THE TRAILER UNIT IS SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE APPEALING TO GO . EVEN THE SANITATION AND CLEANLINESS. ADA ACCESSIBILITY IS HAD BY THE TRAILER UNIT. THAT IS WHY WE UTILIZE THE TRAILERS. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE TRAILERS ONLY , BUT THE JOBSITES MAINLY HAVE THE PORTA POTTIES.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS,
MOTIONS. >> I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND THINKING THROUGH THE SCREEN ISSUE, BUT I THINK , WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE TOPS OF RENTAL ITEMS, I THINK THAT ALLEVIATES THAT ISSUE. THE OTHER POINT I HAVE IS, OBVIOUSLY, LOOKING AT
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PORTA POTTIES IS NOT AN ATTRACTIVE THING TO LOOK AT. WE DON'T WANT IT IN A PLACE THAT IS SUPER VISIBLE IN THE CITY, BUT CERTAINLY NEXT TO THE INTERSTATE IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN, SAY, DOWNTOWN AUBURN. THIS IS NOT OUT OF THE REALM OF REASONABILITY AS FAR AS LOCATION FOR THIS USE. I THINK I AM IN FAVOR OF IT AS IS, AS PRESENTED , WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THE TRAILERS ARE GOING TO BE STORED WHERE THIS DEPICTION SHOWS THEM, AND THE PLASTICS AREA IS WHERE THE PORTA POTTIES ARE GOING TO BE STORED. AS LONG AS THEY CAN BE HELD TO THIS DRAWING, WHICH I THINK THEY CAN, THEN I WILL BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.>> I FEEL THE SAME WAY. >> I WOULD SAY SINCE THE SITE PLAN NORMALLY TALKS ABOUT STRUCTURES , AND I THINK THESE ARE DRAWINGS, I WILL PROBABLY SECOND THIS NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION SINCE THIS IS SERVING AS A SITE PLAN, BUT THERE ARE NO PERMANENT STRUCTURES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. I THINK MAKING IT A CONDITION THAT THE LISTED STORAGE AREAS -- AND I GUESS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY MAY WANT TO EXPAND OR ANYTHING, I THINK WE CAN BE POSSIBLE NOT BE DRACONIAN ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE GENERAL AREA IS STICKING TO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD PUT IS
A FOR CONDITION. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE 2025 -022 WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL PORTA POTTY TYPE PRODUCTS ARE STORED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE -- OR IS THAT THE EAST SIDE? THE FAR SIDE BEHIND THE BUILDING, BEHIND THE EXISTING SHOPS BUILDING, AND THEN ALL TRAILERS ARE TO BE STORED ALONGSIDE THE INTERSTATE IN A MORE VISIBLE
>> MOTION AND SECOND. DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND EMOTION?
OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE.
>> THANK YOU. THE LAST ITEM ON TONIGHT AGENDA IS A
[7. Conditional Use - Duke Circle - PUBLIC HEARING]
RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. THIS WILL BE A MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES LOCATED AT 1908 OPELIKA ROAD . IT IS IN THE CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT. THE SUBDISTRICT SUBURBAN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH ALL OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON SITE , WHICH INCLUDE 14 RESIDENTIAL UNITS .THERE IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT OPELIKA ROAD, AND ALSO A VACANT STORAGE BUILDING BEHIND THAT. THEY WISH TO CONSTRUCT 38 MULTIPLE FAMILY UNITS WITH A TOTAL OF 89 BEDROOMS . THAT IS THE ONLY PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS CONDITIONAL USE AT THIS TIME. THE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH TABLE 4.1. IF ANYTHING IS CONDITIONAL, IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU. STAFF FEELS THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT . GRANTED, IT IS DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE CRD-S. ONE OF THOSE IS THAT PARKING FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION IS LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING FAÇADE. THAT WILL NEED TO BE CHANGED. ALSO, THAT CROSS ACCESS IS ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN. WE ARE THINKING PROBABLY HERE.
>> THAT WOULD BE GOOD. >> I AM READY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. >> ARE YOU SAYING THAT IS
PLANNED? >> I WILL ANSWER THAT. CROSS ACCESS IS NORMALLY A STANDARD , ESPECIALLY ALONG BIGGER CORRIDORS. THE REASON TO GET AWAY FROM THAT -- THE MULTIPLE CURB CUTS AND INCREASE IN FREQUENCY OF CONFLICTS IS A POTENTIAL. ALSO, GENERALLY FOR THIS AREA, I THINK WE ALL KNOW AS USERS OF OPELIKA ROAD AND THE BUSINESSES OVER THERE, IT IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET IN AND OUT. THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES REALLY DEEP AGAINST THE INTERSTATE. NOT THE
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INTERSTATE, THE RAILROAD. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST CRACK AT INTRODUCING GOING BACK TO THE WESTERN PORTION AND HEADING BACK TOWARDS THE SHOPPING CENTER. THAT WAS JUST A LARGER CONVERSATION. AS YOU ALL KNOW, JUST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN ONLY GET THOSE MEDICATIONS AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN. ITIS SOMETHING THAT WE PLAN FOR. >> THAT MAKES IT A LOT MORE -- BECAUSE IT IS REALLY -- THE TRAFFIC , SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON
OPELIKA ROAD IS HORRIBLE THERE. >> -- THE CUT THROUGH -- WHAT IS
THE TERM? >> CROSS CUT ACTIVITY.
>> THAT IS KIND OF ANTICIPATED TO CONTINUE AS WE REDEVELOP THIS
AREA ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT. >> YEAH. THAT IS CORRECT. I WILL KICK IT TO DAN, THE DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER , TO ANSWER MORE ABOUT THAT. ALSO, THIS PROJECT, IN PARTICULAR, THERE WAS AN ADJOINING PARCEL THAT THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO GET TO ROPE IN THIS. THAT IS NOT OFF THE TABLE FOR THEM. THAT IS SOMETHING THEY WERE CONSIDERING. THEY WERE JUST HAVING TROUBLE REACHING THE SELLERS AND DISCUSSING IT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY WERE ENTERTAINING. LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THE CROSS CONNECTIVITY ACCESS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN ON DIFFERENT PARCELS IN OTHER PLACES, WE CAN ONLY GET IT AS THEY COME IN AND REDEVELOP. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO PLAN FOR CONNECTIVITY. FURTHER ON THE TRAFFIC, I WILL LET DAN SPEAK TO THAT.
>> ONE PART I AM INTERESTED IN IS TALKING MORE ABOUT IF THERE IS A LONG-TERM PLAN. DOES IS CODIFIED SOMEHOW THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUT THESE CROSS ACCESS -- THAT IS GOING TO BE PART OF ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? I THINK
THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A STUDY GOING ON RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT ACCESS MANAGEMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR, SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS ONE OF THE SECTIONS. IT IS NOT FINALIZED YET. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A DRAFT IN FOR THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THIS
COMES IN DURING DRT REVIEW. >> ARE THEY DOING BOTH SIDES?
>> IT IS BOTH SIDES. >> WE HAVE CROSS ACCESS GOING TOWARD THE EAST AS WELL? EVENTUALLY ? YOU SAID WE WILL
HAVE ONE COMING DOWN. >> WE WERE POINTING OUT THAT -- I WILL SAY SOUTH BECAUSE IT IS UP-AND-DOWN -- WEST. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE . BUT THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING EASEMENT ON IN PLACE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. TO THE EAST --
>> EVENTUALLY? >> WE WILL LOOK AT IT DURING THE DRT REVIEW IS THE WHAT MAKES SENSE BASED ON OTHER VARIABLES THAT MIGHT COME UP. FOR MY DEPARTMENT, WE NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AND TIME TO LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING PLANS.
>> ALSO, IT IS ONLY TWO MORE LOTS AT THE OPELIKA CITY LIMITS.
JURISDICTION RUNS OUT PRETTY QUICK.
>> OKAY. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE ON DUKE CIRCLE IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING . IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT THE CROSS ACCESS , AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AGREEABLE TO PROVIDING CROSS ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY TO THE WEST. THEY ACTUALLY PREFER TO DO THAT. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR OUR PROJECT AND EVERYONE AROUND THERE. YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT IS NOT A NET ADDITION TO THIS PROPERTY. THERE ARE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THERE. THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK -- YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAIL WHEN WE GET INTO THE DRT PROCESS LOOKING AT THAT TRAFFIC AND THE CIRCULATION AND EVERYTHING. AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> NO QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. MOVE TO APPROVE
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>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES. THAT IS THE END OF OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE
[STAFF COMMUNICATION ]
COMMUNICATIONS. >> SEVERAL THINGS. I WILL START WITH THE INTRODUCTIONS OF TWO NEW PLAN IS. YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH REED. HE HAS BEEN TAGGING ALONG THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS BUT HE IS A FELLOW FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF AUBURN. MY BAD.
FULL-TIME PLANNER. YOU WILL BE SEEING HIM. WE ARE BRINGING HIM ALONG SLOWLY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CASES THIS MONTH. THEY WILL HAVE SON -- SOME ON CONSENT AGENDA NEXT MONTH. IS ALSO COMING -- HE IS A NEW FACE. ALSO A NEW PLANNER. SAME THING. WE'RE GETTING THEM TRAINS. KIND OF WORKING THEM INTO THE FLOW OF THINGS. I THINK, ALSO, YOU WILL BE SEEING THEM AT SOME OF THE WORK SESSIONS WE WILL BE DOING AND OTHER ITEMS FOR THE LONG
>> THEN , JUST TO GO BACK TO HELEN MARTIN'S COMMENT ABOUT THE LBP. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT A GIS COMMENT. THIS WAS AN OLD PLAT. IT IS NOT THAT -- IT MIGHT'VE BEEN OMITTED. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE COMMENTS. WHEN YOU SEE THE GIS COMMENTS, JEN IS AS IN THE WEEDS AS YOU CAN GO. IF YOU WANT ACCURACY OR PRECISION, JEN WILL FIND IT. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS. LIKE YOU ALL KNOW FROM ALL THE COMMENTS ON PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEY MUST BE ADDRESSED BEFORE I COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL. YOU WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED GOING FORWARD. THAT'S IT. AND THEN, I GUESS, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE ZONING REFORM , ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES AND SOME OF THAT STUFF. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL PROBABLY PUT TOGETHER A PLAN, MAYBE LATE SUMMER, THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE A WORK SESSION AND GENERAL KICKOFF. I WOULD SAY TO STAY TUNED ON LOOKING AT INTRODUCING , I WOULD SAY, THE SEVERAL YEAR PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THAT IS IN ADDITION TO LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT TABLE -- THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD TABLES ONCE YOU GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER WITH THE . THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT. DOES A LOT OF THINGS ON THE DOCKET. WE ARE TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED ON STUFF. ALSO, NOT RELEVANT, BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT I DID ALL THE CASES AT THIS MEETING. KATIE HAS BEEN OUT ALL WEEK. SHE HAS BEEN TRAVELING FOR A CONFERENCE. THAT'S IT.
>> OKAY. WHEN IS THE -- >> TUESDAY.
JULY. YOU GUYS WILL DO THE JULY MEETING WITH ONLY EIGHT MEMBERS AS WELL. AND THEN, IN AUGUST, THERE WILL BE A NEW MEMBER. AND SO, I IMAGINE THERE MIGHT BE SOME TRAINING THEY WILL WORK THROUGH. I WILL SEND OUT AN EMAIL JUST KIND OF GENERALLY ABOUT THE TRAINING WE ARE LOOKING AT.
>> OKAY. >> MADAME FOREMAN IS EXPECTED AT
THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY. >> GOT IT.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. >> MOVED TO ADJOURN.
>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND TO ADJOURN.
ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.