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JULY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE JULY.
A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPENED AS APPROPRIATE. THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AT HAND. WE WANT TO EVERYBODY TO BE HEARD AND WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TIMED TO FIVE MINUTES AND RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND. AFTER EVERYBODY HAS SPOKEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ONCE CLOSED. THE REPRESENT A AND APPLICANT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS BROUGHT UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION. THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS AND THE CITY'S PLAN FOR 2030.
I BO LIKE TO SUMMARIZE THE RULES AND RESPONSIBILITY BY ALABAMA STATUTE A COMMISSION LIKE OURS IS THE FINALLA PROVAL AUTHORITY FOR SUBDIVISION PLATTS. THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND IS BOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS OF THE STATE LAW, CITY ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. WHILE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED ON MOST THE AUTHORITY IS LIMITED TO CONFIRM FIGURE THE PLATT MEETS OR EXCEEDS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL. ALL OTHER DECISIONS WILL BE MADE AND TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL THE DATES OF WHICH ARE POSTED PER ITEM. PLEASE REMEMBER TO SIGN IN WHEN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AT THE PODIUM. THANK YOU.
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WHO IS UP FIRST? WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA. NOTHING ON ITBUT. >> SHOULD BE THE MINUTES.
>> PERFECT. WE HAVE CONSENT AGENTA MADE OF REGULAR AGENDA.
>> APPROVE THE CONSENT AUGEND A >> ALL THOSE IN MOTION.
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME FORWARD.
[2. Rezoning - 306 Persimmon Drive Rezoning - PUBLIC HEARING ]
SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPEN AGENDA ITEM FOR NEW BUSINESS.THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR 306PERSIMMON DRIVE AND IT'S TO REZONE 10.08 ACRES TO INDUSTRIAL FROM -- LIKE I SAID IT CURRENTLY SITS RURAL AND IT IS REQUESTING UP TO -- REZONE TO INDUSTRIAL.
THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WHICH ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USES, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY IT CURRENT CURRENTLY HOUSES THOSE TYPES OF USES AS A CONTRACTOR OFFICE AND STORAGE YARD. THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE RURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE INTENT IS TO PUT IT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REZONING REQUEST.
>> CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIGHT
INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL? >> YES. LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WILL BE MORE FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USES, WAREHOUSES, THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE LESS INTENSE THAN WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON BEEHIVE AND THE HEAVY -- MORE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SO THAT WILL INCLUDE LIKE THE MANUFACTURING PLANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, IT REALLY IS JUST A USE THAT IS LESS INTENSE THAN THE MORE
EXTREME. >> NO MANUFACTURING IS ALLOWED.
>> NO. NO MANUFACTURING. >> THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REZONING FROM RURAL TO INDUSTRIAL IF YOU HAVE
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ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAYON THIS MATTER PLEASE COME FORWARD.YOU CAN DO THAT AFTER YOU SPEAK. >> IS MR. COTTON HERE?
>> HIS WIFE CAN'T BE HERE. THAT'S ME. I GUESS WHEN YOU -- FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU WOULD SPEAK TO THE CHAIR AND ADDRESS ME. FOR ANYONE LIKE -- WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU CAN ASK THEM AND THEN WE WILL ANSWER ALL OF THEM AT THE END OF THEM. I DID GET YOUR EMAIL.
>> OKAY. >> I DID GET THEM AND SHARED THEM WITH STAFF. WE HAVE A RESPONSE FOR THEM.
>> YOU CAN'T PULL THEM UP? >> NO. NO. NO. SO.
>> I WASN'T AWARE YOU COULDN'T PULL THOSE PICTURES UP TO SHOW
THE DAMAGE ON THE ROAD. >> I GUESS IN THE EMAIL IT DIDN'T -- IT WASN'T A REQUEST THAT YOU DISPLAY THEM. YOU JUST KIND OF SHARED THEM AND SAID IT WAS THE ROOT CAUSE OF YOUR OBJECTION. THAT WAS NOTED AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT AT A STAFF LEVEL. WE WILL ADDRESS THAT AFTERWARDS.
>> YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? IF YOU WOULD STILL LIKE TO TALK.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW PART OF THE GAME THAT -- TO GO UP SO THAT CONCERNED PEOPLE COULD ALSO SEE THOSE PICTURES AND THE DAMAGE THAT THE CITY OF AUBURN, TRASH TRUCKS HAVE DID TO THE DRIVE. I HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU WASN'T GOING TO SHOW THOSE PICTURES.
THAT'S THE WHOLE MEANING -- WHOLE -- TO SAY I OBJECT TO REZONING BECAUSE WE ARE COMMUNITY BACK IN THE BACK THERE THAT'S 11 FAMILIES BACK THERE AND TO JUST COME DOWN TO PERSIMMON DRIVE AND 29 SOUTH AND 29 NORTH AND BE BOMBARDED WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC, THE TRUCKS, AND ALL THE GARBAGE. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. WHAT CAN WE DO? WE JUST KEEP ON KEEPING ON. I GUESS THE NEXT TIME OUR -- WHY WOULD I SEND THEM TO YOU IF I DIDN'T WANT THEM SHOWED UP ON THE SCREEN SO YOU COULD SEE THE DAMAGE TO THE ROAD THAT'S TAKING PLACE? EACH AND EVERY DAY? NOW YOU WANT TO PUT INDUSTRY DOWN IN THAT AREA?
>> PLEASE ADDRESS US, MA'AM. >> SHAMEFUL.
>> ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD.
>> MY NAME IS BUCHANAN AND MY PARENTS WAS MARRIED IN THE HOUSE
THAT I RESIDE IN. >> YOUR ADDRESS?
>> YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN. YEAH. NO, RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN PULL IT
-- YEAH >> AND MY PARENTS WAS MARRIED IN THAT HOUSE ON THE STEPS AND RAISED FIVE CHILDREN IN THAT HOUSE. IT IS SO MUCH POLLUTION THERE FROM ONE COMPANY THAN RAYBURN COMPANY GIVING OUT POLLUTION FROM WHAT THEIR TYPE OF BUSINESS SO NOW THEY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE OVER THERE.
THEN YOU HAVE SIX OF OUR FAMILY MEMBERS HAS DIED WITH CANCER.
NOBODY IN THE FAMILY HAS CANCER, IT'S COMING FROM ALL THE TRASH AND THE POLLUTION OVER THERE. THEN MR. STEVE WHO WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, HIS HOUSE GET BURNED UP BECAUSE THE WORKERS WAS BURNING. MR. FIELD POT WENT IN THE OFFICE TO TELL THEM THAT, HEY, THAT FIRE IS GETTING AWAY AND SHE TELL HIM TO GET OUT THE OFFICE BECAUSE HE WAS JUST TO LOUD WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT. SHE NEVER CAME OUT TO SEE WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO TELL HER AND THEN MR. STEVE HOUSE GOT CAUGHT ON FIRE AND HE LOST EVERYTHING. HE EVEN LOST HIS WIFE TRUCK THAT HE HAS BEEN HOLDING ONTO FOR 40 YEARS BECAUSE SHE PASSED WITH CANCER. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BRING MORE POLLUTION AND BIG TRUCKS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO IF I GO IN THE OFFICE AND SAY I SEE FIRE BURNING THEY GOING TERRENE ME OUT OF THE OFFICE TOO? THAT IS OUR COMMUNITY JUST THE WAY IT IS RAYBURN AND I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO BUILD ANYTHING ELSE OVER THERE. IT SMELLS AWFUL OVER THERE. IT REALLY DOES. I WALK FOUR MILES A DAY AND IT SMELLS BAD IN THAT AREA. SO, AND THEY NEVER DID NOTHING FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE NEVER SEEN THEM DO HOT DOG PARTY, A BLOCK PARTY, GIVE OUT TURKEYS, HAMS, COME SEE AND TALK TO THE FAMILIES, SEE -- MY DAUGHTER HAS BRAIN CANCER. MY
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FATHER DIED FROM CANCER, MY MOTHER HAS CANCER SHE STOPPED EATING FOUR DAYS AGO. I BEEN TAKING CARE OF FOR NINE YEARS. I DON'T THINK ITS RIGHT. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU. PLEASE SIGN IN IF YOU WILL. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD
LIKE TO COME FORWARD? YES, SIR. >> I LIVE AT -- I BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE 1962. THAT'S A LONG TIME. WE HAVE HAD UPS AND DOWNS DOWN THERE. LIKE BREAK-IN, JUST LIKE THAT. AND I'M NOT -- GOING OFF ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU CALL THEM IT TAKES THEM 30, 40 MINUTES TO GET THERE. IF YOU BRING THIS IN HERE, IF THEY GOING TO USE WAREHOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT. PEOPLE -- THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING. LIKE SHE WAS SAYING MR. STEVE ALREADY TOOK THE BRUNT OF IT. I WISH YOU WOULDN'T PASS IT. SO, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NO ONELY NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IN THIS CASE THIS IS JUST THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY. COMMISSIONERS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU.
>> IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE CONTEXT OF THE FIRST SPEAKER.
>> YES. SO, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT SINCE YOU DROVE OUT
THERE? >> WELL I THINK SHE -- SHARED SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND, YOU KNOW BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE AT THE INTERSECTION OF PERSIMMON DRIVE AND UNITED STATES 29 AND LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THAT IS CONFINED TO ALDOT RIGHT OF WAY SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE WITH THEM. MOST OF THAT DAMAGE APPEARS TO BE RELATED TO THE TRANSFER STATION AND RECYCLE SITES THAT ARE MAINTAINED THERE AT THE INTERSECTION. SO, TRAFFIC BEYOND THAT AND -- I DROVE OUT AND BACK ALONG THE DRIVE AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE -- THE GOOGLE IMAGES THAT WERE TAKEN IN 23 AND THERE'S BEEN -- I DEPTH SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT -- OR -- YOU KNOW CHANGE TO ANY OF THE STREET FROM THERE ON BACK, YOU KNOW. SO, BASICALLY YOU KNOW GIVEN THE APPEARANCE THAT THE TRAFFIC THAT GENERALLY IS COMING ON AND OFF OF THE RAVEN PROPERTY. I GUESS -- BACKING UP ISOLATE THE TWO PROPERTIES. THE -- THE PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY OTHERS THAT ARE -- YOU KNOW CLOSER TO THE 29 IS NOT PART OF THIS. THEN YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY FROM THE TRAFFIC BEYOND THAT THERE WAS -- NOT WHAT YOU MIGHT SUSPECT IF THERE WERE HEAVY VEHICLE OR TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS MOSTLY SMALL TRUCKS OR CARS AND IF THERE ARE LARGE TRUCKS THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH AMOUNT THAT IS DAMAGING IN THE ROAD. ROAD CONDITIONS ARE
CONFINED TO THE INTERSECTION. >> THAT -- AND THE TRASH TRUCKS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR ZONING ISSUE?
>> NOT THIS ZONING. NO. THAT DAMAGE WOULD BE DONE BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THIS SITE. WELL BEFORE THIS SITE.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PLANS OF THIS AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS? THE NEXT CASE ARE JUST TO BUILD A WAREHOUSE RIGHT?
FOR CONTRACTORS. >> YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT IS THE EXISTING USE OUT THERE. LIKE JOHN MENTIONED IN HIS DISCUSSION THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING LEGAL, THEY ARE TRYING TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE AND THEN EXPAND THE USE WHICH THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO AS A LEGAL NONCONFORMING BECAUSE YOU
CAN'T EXPAND NONCONFORMING. >> CAN I ASK PLEASE PERSIMMON DRIVE. THAT'S LEE COUNTY, THAT'S THE LEE COUNTY ROAD?
>> NO. NO. SO, PERSIMMON DRIVE IS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF AUBURN. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE PICTURE THAT -- I CHECKED THE EMAIL. IT WASN'T REQUESTED. THAT LIKE SCOTT SAID A LOT OF THE DAMAGE IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS IS CONFINED TO WHAT IS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY AND AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH COLLEGE AND PERSIMMON AND NOT IN FRONT OF THIS ROAD OR DOWN
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PERSIMMON DRIVE. THEN LIKE THE LAST PERSON WHO SPOKE LIVES ON ROUTE 15. THAT'S OFF THIS ROAD AND THE 11 HOUSES ARE CONFINED TO THE WESTERN PORTION WHICH IS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN THISUSE WOULD BE. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT PEOPLE SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S A REALLY SOUNDS LIKE A BAD SITUATION. BEFORE US IS A REZONING TO REMOVE A NONCONFORMITY FOR THE SAME USE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THERE ARE LEGAL REMEDIES TO DEAL -- THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER PROBLEMS BUT IT'S JUST NOT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THOSE THAT HAVE THE INTEREST IS TO NOT ONLY -- NOW THAT YOU ARE HERE AND ARE ON THE RECORD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND GET ON THE RECORD. IF THAT -- OTHER THAN THAT THERE HAS TO BE LEGAL REMEDIES IF THE CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING. THERE'S NO DECISION THAT WE CAN MAKE HERE THAT DID CHANGE THAT PROBLEM. SO, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT. SAY -- YOU KNOW THIS IS JUST MORE OF A PORFORMA CHANGE WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE TO MAKE THE PLANNING PROCESS BETTER. DOESN'T HELP YOU BUT, YOU KNOW THERE'S -- REMEDY.
>> TURNING IT DOWN WOULDN'T HELP.
>> IF I COULD ADD THAT THE PROPERTIES I THINK THEY ARE REFERENCES ARE IN THE COUNTY, NOT THE CITY.
>> IN THE COUNTY. >> THEN THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE
ALL TOGETHER. >> COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> THIS IS THE REZONING TO TAKE IT OUT OF NONCONFORMANCE.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> AYE.
[3. Conditional Use - Persimmon Drive Development Project - PUBLIC HEARING]
ALL RIGHT. THIS REQUEST IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USE OF SPECIFICALLY CONTRACTOR OFFICE WAREHOUSE AND STORAGE YARD FOR THAT SAME PROPERTY THAT WAS JUSTDISCUSSED, 306PERSIMMON DRIVE. >> A QUICK QUESTION THEN. IS THERE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S -- THE USE IS JUST GOING TO BE APPROVED AND
IT'S ALREADY EXISTING. >> SO THAT'S MAJORITY WHAT THE REQUEST IS. THEN THERE'S ONE BUILDING THAT IS A WAREHOUSE.
>> CONSTRUCTION. >> AND I CAN GO TO THAT SITE
PLAN. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION OF THE CHANGE REQUEST.
>> OKAY. WILL DO. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 14,002 14,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE AND THERE WILL BE 400 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE SPACE WITH IN THE WALLS
AS WELL. >> ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON
THE PLAN ARE STAYING? >> THOSE ARE --. THEY ARE STAYING. THAT'S CORRECT. THE REQUEST IS REALLY TO BRING ALL OF IT TOGETHER. NEW AND OLD.
THE SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH THE ORDINANCE AND ALL OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED AND SHAKEN OUT DURING THE D RT PROCESS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> FOR THE NEW BUILDING DOES THAT TAKE ACCESS OFF THE ROAD OR
IT'S NO NEW ACCESS. >> NO. IT'S JUST USING WHAT EXISTS. CAN YOU TELL ME IF THERE IS ANY OUTSIDE THE APPLICANT -- ANYTHING STORED -- IN THE WAREHOUSE?
>> I THINK THERE ARE AN OUTSIDE STORAGE IN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS BUT THE WAREHOUSE ITSELF WOULD BE WHERE WOULD HAVE WALLS AND WE WOULD GET MORE DETAILS IN D RT. MAKE SURE IT -- AND THE BUFFER. THIS DOES BUFFER A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE SOUTH.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THERE IS A 15-FOOT BUFFER THAT THEY CALLED
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OUT ON THE SITE PLAN. SINCE IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN THERE SUBDIVISION IT WOULD NEED A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ON TOP AND THEN 15. WE LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLANS AND EVERYTHING DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REREVIEW PROCESS AS WELL. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD MAKE SURE IS COMPLYING.>> SO NO FLED FOR ADDITIONAL BUFFER CONDITION PUT ON IT BECAUSE IT WOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT?
>> IT WOULD MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS. IF IF YOU ALL FEEL
THE NEED IT'S IN YOUR RIGHT. >> I GUESS IN THE OTHER REQUEST IS ABOUT OUTSIDE LIGHTING FOR THAT NEW BUILDING.
>> ACTUALLY -- THAT WOULD BE A -- TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND?
>> I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY DETAILS ABOUT THE LIGHTING. I'M SURE THE APPLICANT COULD GO INTO DETAILS FOR WHAT THEY PLAN FOR
THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING. >> ONE MORE TIME. SORRY. THE REASON FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST AFTER ITS BEEN REZONED.
>> AFTER ITS BEEN REZONED IS SINCE THE USES ARE NOW WITH IN ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE REQUESTED CONDITIONALLY IT IS TO -- SINCE IT'S INDUSTRIAL NONE OF THOSE WOULD BE ALLOWED IN RURAL. NOW THAT THE CONTRACTOR OFFICE STORAGE WAREHOUSE ARE THERE THE NEW WAREHOUSE REQUEST IS ONE PART OF THE USE REQUEST AND THE SECOND IS TO BRING THE REST OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT GO TO THE STORAGE YARD AND THE CONTRACTOR OFFICE INTO THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING.
>> THANK YOU. >> THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. BOY LIKE TO OPEN THAT AT THIS TIME. THIS IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE TO FURTHER BRING THIS INTO COMPLIANCE. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
OKAY. SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT OR STAFF?
>> YES. CAN WE HEAR THE APPLICANT ON ANY OUTSIDE
LIGHTING ON THIS NEW BUILDING? >> YOUR NAME. TYLER FAIR. PLAN IS TO MATCH WHAT IS EXISTING. TYPICAL FLOOD LIGHTS. THERE WON'T BE ANY NIGHTTIME WORK OTHER THAN JUST FLOOD LIGHT OUT ON AT NIGHT. THAT WILL BE ABOUT IT.
>> LIKE MOTION OR LIKE ALL THE TIME?
>> WE CAN DO MOTION IF THAT'S WHAT IS PREFERRED. I WOULDN'T
THINK ANYTHING MAJOR. >> ADDITIONAL BUFFER.
>> YEAH. WE'LL MEET WHATEVER THE CITY SPECS FOR THE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONERS. >> I DROVE OUT THAT WAY AND I SAW THE PROPERTY AND SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE CONCERNS GENERALLY WITH THE AREA. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD WARRANT NOT MOVING THIS ITEM FORWARD. LY MOVE TO APPROVE CASE
>> I SEE UNDER STAFF COMMENTS ADMINISTRATIVE PLATT TO CONSOLIDATE THE LOTS IS REQUIRED. SO THAT WILL BE TAKEN
CARE OF BEFORE THEY ARE ISSUED? >> YEAH. THERE IS SEVERAL MOVING PARTS HERE. IT'S NOT TO KIND OF GET AHEAD OF THE APPLICANT. AS WE GO BACK TO THE APPROXIMATE SO THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST I GUESS IS ALSO SOMETHING THEY WERE LOOKING AT AS WELL. THAT'S COMMON. WE HAD THAT ON THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AUTOMOTIVE.
WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REZONING OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. FOR SOMEONE TO GET APPROVAL FROM D RT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT THEY NEED TO COME UP WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLATT TO CLEAN UP LOT LINES TO COMPLY AND BUFFERS SET BACKS AND -- CAN BE APPLIED TO THE SITE PLAN.
>> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
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[4. Conditional Use - Grand Junction - PUBLIC HEARING]
ALL RIGHT. REQUEST IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USE SPECIFICALLY IN EVENT SPACE AS A PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS LOCATED ON 1027 EAST GLENN AVENUE. SO, THE AREA WE ARE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY IS KIND OF JUST HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS CHECKERED BOX. THIS IS A REPEATING CASE BUT WE ARE SEEKING A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS HIGHLIGHTED BOX IN RED. THIS IS A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPOSED BUILDING AND THIS IS THE CONDITIONAL USABLE INDICATION. HALF OF IT OR MAYBE ABOUT 75% WILL BE OFFICE SPACE AND THEN THE REST OF IT I THINK IS ABOUT 3,106 SQUARE FOOT WILL BE USED FOR EVENT SPACE. THIS DOES REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE. THERE'S NO MORE. THIS IS THE MAIN FLOOR OF A TWO FLOOR BUILDING WE ARE LOOKING AT. THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR. THIS IS WHERE ALL THE EVENT SPACE IS GOING TO BE. IT WON'T TAKE UP ANY OF THE SECOND FLOOR. IT'LL BE FIRST FLOOR BUT IT'S SHARING THE USE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITHTHE OFFICE SPACE. >> LIKE FACILITY. RIGHT.
>> YEAH. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I WANT TO NOTE ARE ANY OF THE EVENT IS GOING TO -- SPILL OUTSIDE? ONE TIME THIS WAS A GROUP HUB AND THEN IT WAS A RESTAURANT AND WHEN IT WAS A GROUP HUB I THINK THEY HAD OUTSIDE AND MUSIC OUTSIDE SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. IS IT ALL CONTAINED INSIDE? I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE ADMIN. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT -- THE NATURE OF THEIR EVENT. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT. LIKE I SAID THAT WOULD
BE A QUESTION FOR THEM. >> OKAY. GOOD.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING. COMFORTABLE WITH LEVEL PARKING FOR EVENTS IF EVERYBODY IS HOME AND ALL OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL SPACES IS PARKING OKAY?
>> I GUESS SO -- THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY LEND ITSELF TO LIKE A CONCERT VENUE OR EVEN LIKE THE MUSIC JUST KIND OF ON LIKE THE BEER GARDEN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE GROUP HUB. SO, I GUESS THAT CAN BE PART OF THE QUESTION OF WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR WHAT THE INTENTIONS WERE IN THE EVENT SPACE. I THINK FOR US TO ANSWER THAT AND I GUESS ON OUR END WE KNEW THIS WAS A DOWN GRADE FROM WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FROM A SCALE AND INTENSITY STANDPOINT WHEN IT WAS THE BREWERY. IT WAS MORE OF A COMBINED. THEY WERE GOING TO -- NOT A CENTER STAGE PLACE BUT NOT LIKE A WE ARE HOSTING CONCERTS THING BUT MUSIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE BEER GARDEN KIND OF DEAL. THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH WHAT TYPE OF EVENTS THEY WERE HOLDING THEN I THINK WE CAN GO FROM
THERE. >> YOU ALL BEAR WITH ME. SO, IS THE ENTERTAINMENT SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC OR IS THIS FOR THE TENANT
OF THE BUILDING? >> THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY? I WASN'T -- PART OF THIS BODY WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
>> YEAH. DAN DO YOU WANT TO? >> I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
>> YES. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY AND YOU KNOW THE TENANTS ARE THE PROPOSED TENANTS ARE CHANGED EVERY TIME. THIS WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE INTENSE THAN IT WAS PROPOSED THERE.
ESPECIALLY BEING LIKE AN EVENT CENTER PROBABLY GOING TO BE THINGS THAT ARE OFF PEAK, RELATIVE TO THE OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT ARE IN THIS COMPLEX. WE WOULDN'T EXPECT A NEED FOR THE UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THIS TYPE OF USE.
>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF
BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN >> I WOULD SUPPOSE THEY ARE STILL TAKING ENTRANCE FROM CHERRY STREET CORRECT?
>> AS FAR AS HE SITE PLAN WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN
THAT'S STILL THE PLAN. >> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. I WOULD LIKE IT OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON GRAND JUNCTION EVENT SPACE. SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
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HEARING AND WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTGOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW.
>> GOOD EVENING. RYAN STONE. I HAVE A COUPLE -- I CAN ANSWER A COUPLE OF THOSE AND I WILL JUST TAKE QUESTIONS. THE IDEA IS I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF EVENT SPACE. ITS GOING TO BE GEARED TOWARD CORPORATE EVENTS. RECEPTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE WILL -- MORE THAN LIKELY OWN AND OPERATE IT OURSELVES AND, YOU KNOW ANY EVENT THERE'S A PARKING CONCERN OR BOOKING WE HAVE VALET ARRANGEMENTS MADE THAT WE WILL REQUIRE THAT TO BE PART OF THE BOOKING. WE SHOULD GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS OFF PEAK LIKE WE WILL BE THERE DURING THE DAY IN THE OFFICE SPACE. WE WILL TAKE UP ALL THAT PARKING AND WON'T BE THERE GENERALLY WHEN THE -- THE LARGER EVENTS WILL HAPPEN.
WE DON'T EXPECT PARKING TO BE AN ISSUE WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE BUSES AND SUCH.
QUESTIONS? >> SO ALL THE EVENTS WILL BE
INSIDE. >> IT'S INSIDE BUT WE DESIGNED IF YOU CAN SEE THAT SPACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS WE DESIGNED THAT LIKE A GATHERING AREA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
WE, YOU KNOW CARVEL WILL USUALLY HAVE THE SEATING FOR THE OUTSIDE DINING.WE HAVE IT DESIGNED TO ROLL UP THE DOORS AND JOIN THE CROWD OR WHATEVER. THERE'S AREAS FOR OUTDOOR GAMES LIKE CORNHOLE AND IN THAT LITTLE SPACE. WE WILL WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO USE THE SPACE. THE IDEA WAS THE SPACE IS KIND OF THE COMMUNITY AS A HOLE. EVERYBODY CAN GATHER THERE. AS FAR AS SERVING FOOD. BEER, WINE, AND ALL THAT WOULD BE THEIR ROLE
MAINLY IN THAT. >> I WILL HAVE AN EVENT.
>> OUR ARCHITECT STILL WORKS ON THAT. I THINK THAT IT'S ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED. I DON'T THINK ITS ANYTHING HUGE. WE WERE -- WE ARE IN THE FINAL PHASE. ALL THE ARCHITECTS GOING RIGHT NOW AND IT IS A CHANGING DOCUMENT IF YOU WILL. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S 2 OR 300. WE AREN'T DESIBERIAD TO BE A HUGE SPACE. WE KIND OF SEE THE NEED MORE THAN ANYTHING IS CORPORATE EVENTS IS KIND OF A GROWING TREND. THIS BEING NEAR THE AIRPORT. NEAR THE UNIVERSITY. PLAYING PARKING. I THINK THAT -- WE AREN'T REALLY GOING FOR THE FRATERNITY PARTY CROWD. WE DON'T WANT TO DESTROY
-- I MEAN -- SOY THINK --. >> LIKE A CHAIN BREWERY EVENTS.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE A COOL LITTLE VENUE. IT'S ALLOSTERIING TO BE AROUND THE OUTDOOR AREA AND JUST KIND OF A NEAT PLACE TO GO IN THE AFTERNOON TO HAVE A BEER AND EAT WINGS, PI A ALL
THAT. OKAY. >> ANY WAY. I HAD A COUPLE -- THE REST ROOMS AREN'T SHARED ALSO WITH THE OFFICE SPACE. WE HAVE A PARTITION WALL SO THAT THE EVENT SPACE, REST ROOMS WILL BE THEIR OWN REST ROOMS. I THINK SOMEONE SAID THEY WOULD BE SHARED ABOUT YOU THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THE -- ANYONE HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS UNANSWERED? >> SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR THE EVENT SPACE IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? THIS IS SPACE THAT AN OUTFIT OR OFFICE WOULD MEET TO RENT OUT FROM YOU ALL?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S THE PLAN. DEFINITELY.
>> OKAY. APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THOSE -- OTHER THINGS LIKE FRATERNITIES OR OTHER GROUPS -- AND YOU SAID REALLY WOULD BE A DAYTIME. I WOULD THINK EVENT SPACE PRIME TIME IS DURING THE DAY. CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. DURING THE DAY. SO, AND I'M HEARING A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE LOOKING AT PARKING LOT AND HOW WILL THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT IT WON'T BE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM IF THAT MANY PEOPLE. YOU CAN BRING BUSS IN.
YOU CAN VALET. >> WE WOULD CONTROL IT WITH THE RENTAL AGREEMENT. OBVIOUSLY IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE -- THEY HAVE TO LET US KNOW HOW MANY. IF IT EXCEEDS X AMOUNT, YOU KNOW.
JUST OUR OFFICE WILL BE IN THE SAME PARKING LOT WITH US. I'M PROBABLY MORE SESSIONSIVE. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PARK OUR EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE MADE ARRANGEMENTS WITH OFF SITE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CLOSE THAT HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING. WE ARE -- WE HAVE STUFF THAT WORKS ALREADY ON THAT. THIS IS NOT -- THIS IS KIND OF A SIDE THING FOR US. WE DON'T REALLY WANT IT TO BE A DISTRACTION FOR OUR BUSINESS EITHER.
>> BASED ON YOUR PARKING THAT YOU HAVE. ARE THE 18 SPACES I
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GUESS THAT ARE THERE BY THAT -- I GUESS ITS BUILDING FIVE. THOSE ARE DESIGNATED FOR THAT BUILDING?>> CORRECT. >> SO THOSE SPACES ARE NOT REALLY THERE TO BE USED FOR THE EVENT.
>> CORRECT. SO THOSE EVEN -- AND THOSE THERE I GUESS THE SEVEN
SPOTS. >> THE STATE -- RU TALKING --.
>> AT THE TOP OF THAT. I GUESS THOSE COULD BE FOR YOUR AREA. IF YOU WERE TO GO DIRECTLY NORTH OF THOSE 18. YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE THOSE -- THAT'S IN THE LINE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS IN
RESIDENTIAL BORDER. >> I SEE WHAT RU TALKING ABOUT.
>> IT'S WITH IN THAT RESIDENTIAL BORDER THAT YOU HAVE
DRAWN ON THE MAP. >> RIGHT. RIGHT. WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND -- I MEAN WE ARE -- WE FAR EXCEED THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE I THINK. WE ARE WELL ABOVE IT.
AGAIN BACK TO US BEING A MAIN TENANT IN THE PLACE. WE DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A PARKING ISSUE YOU KNOW. I DON'T -- AS FAR AS I THINK IS ONE SPACE EVERY 250 SQUARE FEET I THINK IS THE
REQUIREMENT OR SOMETHING. >> YOU MEAN FOR THE EVENT SPACE
OR FOR THE COMMERCIAL AREAS IN >> COMMERCIAL AREAS.
>> VARIES, VARIES BY USE. I MEAN SO THE BIGGER ONES, KIND OF GO FROM LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY ARE KIND OF BASED ON DIFFERENT AREAS OF COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 250 OR SO. THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. IT DOES VARY
BY USE. >> I THINK WE ARE PRETTY FAR BELOW THAT. WE ARE BELOW THAT AND AGAIN MOST OF THAT PARKING SPACE WILL BE CONSUMED DURING THE DAYTIME. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. A LARGE CHAMBER EVENT THERE. WE ARE KIND OF THINKING LIKE MORE CORPORATE RETREAT EVENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHERE PARKING PROBABLY WON'T BE AS BIG OF AN ISSUE LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS -- A WEDDING RECEPTION OR SOME EMPLOYEE CHRISTMAS PARTY. THINGS LIKE THAT IS PRETTY MUCH OR TARGET. THAT'S THE KIND OF BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT IS THEY WILL HAVE MORE OF A NIGHTTIME IRONMENT. 12,000 SQUARE FOOT OR 10,000 SQUARE FOOT IS ALL DAYTIME PARKING. OUR BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW I DO THINK THAT THE USES GO WITH EACH A IT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE HAD PLANNED BEFORE WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING.
I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY 50% REDUCED AS COMPARED TO WHAT THEY
WERE PLANNING ON DOING. >> AND I DO WANT TO OFFER THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. FOR USES THAT CAN'T PARK ALL OF THEIR -- CAN'T PARK ALL OF THEIR PATRONS ON SITE IS LIKE KIND OF -- WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD TO PRESENT US WITH A CONTRACT OF SHOWCASING THEY DO HAVE THE OFF SITE PARKING AVAILABLE. I KNOW YOU JUST REFERENCED THAT. IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANTED US TO JUST VERIFY ON OUR SIDE OF THINGS IF YOU WANTED THAT TO HAPPEN MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE THAT CONDITION OR SOMETHING. WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE HAVE -- THEY HAVE TO JUST SHOW THEY HAVE THE OFF SITE PARKING WITH PEOPLE. IF WE ARE GOINGO HOST EVENTS OF 2 TO 300 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER THEY HAVE THAT NUMBER WOULD HAVE TO BE SHOWN BY CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE ELSE THAT THEY COULD PARK IT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST THAT WE VERIFY AND HAVE PEOPLE UPDATE ACCORDINGLY.
>> WE WILL BE OKAY WITH THAT. >> I LIKE THAT.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. >> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
>> THERE'S A CONDITION. >> YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE FINE. PRETTY MUCH. CONDITION WOULD JUST BE FOR WHATEVER EVENTS THAT WAS GOING TO EXCEED -- I GUESS IF YOU HAD THAT 200,
300 RANGE. >> CAN WE PUT A -- WORK WITH STAFF ON TRYING TO FORMALIZE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL DRAWINGS YET. WE WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THIS. I CAN'T
COMMIT TO A NUMBER RIGHT NOW. >> YEAH. I GUESS IT WOULDN'T BE COMMIT TO A NUMBER PER SE. I GUESS JUST KIND OF WHATEVER THE -- WHATEVER EVENTS YOU ARE TRYING TO THROW. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS BY EACH EVENT BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU ARE ALL PROVE FOR BY CAPACITY, FROM A CODE SIDE AND WHATEVER PARKING PROBLEMS YOU HAD ON SITE TO MEET THAT -- TO MEET THAT ADDITIONAL NUMBER YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN CONTRACT SOMEWHERE.
IT WOULD BE A STANDING CONTRACT. LET'S SAY WE ARE LESS 150 WE PARTNER WITH KROGE RER WHERE THESE ARE THE 150 SPACES. SO THAT -- THAT'S HOW -- WE HAVE HAD DONE THAT WITH AGREEMENT WAS DOWNTOWN. THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. IT IS SOMETHING WE WORK WITH, DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS ON AND DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT ACCOMMODATE. WHEN THEY HAVE TO CHANGE IN THOSE NUMBERS WE JUST
REWORK THE CONTRACT. >> LET ME ASK IF I WAS GOING TO PUT A CONDITION ON THAT HOW WOULD I SAY THAT?
>> YEAH. NOT SPECIFIC. >> YEAH.
>> MAYBE JUST A CONTRACT FOR --. >> I WOULD SAY A CONTRACT FOR
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OFF SITE OVER FLOW PARKING WOULD JUST -- NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO>> I GUESS AND PROBABLY LIKE CONDITIONING LIKE DOT OR WHATEVER. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE FIGURED OUT FOR THIS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONERS.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> MOTION CONDITION. MOVE TO APPROVE. CASE CU WITH THE CONDITION THAT ANY OVER FLOW
PARKING REQUIRES A CONTRACT. >> I GUESS THAT ANY -- ANY ADDITIONAL OFF SITE OVER FLOW PARKING.
>> OR SPACE. >> FOR EVENT SPACE THAT'S CONTRACT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO STAFF. PRESENTED AND APPROVED BY
STAFF. >> WITH THE CONDITION THAT ANY -- EVENT THAT REQUIRES OVER FLOW PARKING REQUIRES A CONTRACT WITH
>> TO BE PRESENTED TO STAFF. >> I GUESS THAT WORKS.
>> IF NOT THE ATTORNEY --. >> YEAH. LIKE I SAID THE -- NOT THAT WE DO THIS FOR EVERY EVENT THAT THEY HAVE. IT IS JUST THAT THEY HAVE -- WHATEVER -- WHATEVER STANDING AGREEMENT THEY HAVE THAT IT WOULD BE PRESENTED THAT CONTRACT. IT IS JUST WE WOULD ONLY REALLY REVISIT IT ONCE.
>> RESTATE THE MOTION OR DOES SHE NEED TO?
>> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. IF YOU WANT TO GET THE SECOND.
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WITH APPROVAL ADDING A CONDITION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR
[5. Conditional Use - Interlude Auburn - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> GOOD EVENING. >> DO YOU NEED TO LOWER THAT?
THE PODIUM ITSELF? >> THIS NEXT REQUEST IS FOR A RECOMMENDATION THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED AT 1397 NORTH DEAN ROAD. THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 27 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT'S ON THE WESTSIDE OF NORTH DEAN ROAD JUST NORTH OF EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE IN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT. THERE IS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS WITH IN THE PDD THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2000. THIS REQUEST HAS RECEIVED CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, THREE -- PREVIOUS TIMES. THIS ONE IS 243 UNITS WITH 431 BEDS. THERE WILL BE A MIX OF STUDIO 1, 2, AND 3 BED BEDROOM UNITS IN A VARIETY OF BUILDING STYLES. SINCE THE PACKET WENT OUT THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. THE APPLICANT HAS ADVISED THE SITE PLAN TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OR TO REFLECT THE CURRENT FLOOD PLAIN BOUNDARY AND HAS RECONFIGURED THE UNITS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE PROJECT. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THIS WILL SHOW THE DIFFERENT BUILDING STYLES AND THE LAY OUT
>> WITH THIS NEW SITE PLAN THAT WE JUST SAW. ADDITIONAL NINE
PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED. >> YES. JUST THE -- THAT WAS PROVIDED ON THE SITE PLAN WAS INCORRECT.
>> CORRECT. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I WASN'T ON COMMISSION WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE THE OTHER TWO TIMELESS IT IS GOING UP BY 55 BEDS AND DOWN BY 70 IS IT JUST THE UNITS ALL DIFFERENT? WHAT IS MAKING THAT CHANGE.
>> YEAH. SO, IT'S NOT TO GET TECHNICAL BUT THIS IS A GAME.
NOT A GAME -- IT HAS A NEGATIVE THING BUT DIFFERENT MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENTS KIND OF HAVE DIFFERENT MODELS THEY DO. SOME WILL DO THREE BEDROOMS, FOUR BEDROOMS, FIVE KIND OF DEAL.
THEY ARE ALL ONE UNIT. SOMETIMES UNITS MAY BE ARTIFICIALLY LOW BUT THE BEDS ARE -- THE BED TO THELIAS ARE HIGH. WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE -- THE MARKET IS SHIFTING PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT CAN WE KIND OF SPLIT THOSE 2S AND 3S AND SPLIT THOSE INTO 2S AND 1S BECAUSE WE WANT MORE STUDIOS. FOR EVERY UNIT -- SO THE UNIT COUNT OF THEM IS KIND OF ODD. KIND OF HOW WE DO THE PARKING
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COUNT IS BY BED. SO, SOMETIMES LIKE THE NUMBERS GET REALLY WEIRD WITH THE MATH OF SOMETIMES THEY ARE TRYING TO CAPTURE THE ONES IN THE STUDIOS AND OTHER TIMES THEY ARE TRYING TO THOUGH THEY HAVE A DEPRESSED NUMBER OF UNITS THEY ARE CRAMM ING BEDROOMS. IT'S A DIFFERENCE HOW MANY UNITS THEY WERE HAVING AND OFTEN TIMES THAT NUMBER WILL INCREASE BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING ONE BEDROOMS AND STUDIOS. THEY STILL REQUIRE PARKING SPACES.>> I -- 55 MORE PEOPLE IN THERE IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT STUDENTS
AS CARS AND ALL FOR TRAFFIC TOO. >> YEAH.
>> OKAY. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON INTERLUDE AUBURN CONDITIONAL USE LIKE TO OPEN THAT NOW. SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS?
>> YEAH. THAT SECTION OF NORTH DEAN ROAD IS PRETTY SKINNY.
RIGHT? YOU HAVE TWO LANES AND THEN YOU HAVE KIND OF A CENTER THING GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE AND THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE BACK. WHAT'S THE THINKING ON THE, YOU KNOW TRAFFIC PLANS FOR THAT AREA. I KNOW THE TRAFFIC,
>> AND ET CETERA. >> I WILL KIND OF TEE THIS OFF AND THEN TURNOVER TO DAN. SO, DEAN ROAD IS A PART OF THE MAJOR STREET PLAN AND SO AS YOU NOTICE DEAN ROAD CURRENTLY DOES NOT EXTEND THE TWO RATING. THERE'S A PLAN FOR IT TO EXTEND TO 280.
EVENTUALLY THAT'S WHEN THERE WILL BE A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE LINEAR EXPANSION AND THEN LOOKINGA THE IT WITH ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT WILL BE REQUIRED.
>> THEY WILL BE DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY. THERE WAS ONE DONE PRIOR WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT BUT THAT WAS 2018 WHEN THEY DID THAT. I REALLY WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT IMPROVEMENTS -- THE TRAFFIC WILL BE DIFFERENT NOW. SEVEN YEARS LATER. THE DEVELOPMENT IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. WE WILL KNOW. THERE WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS. TIRE LINES THERE. LEFT TURN, RIGHT TUB. ALL ACCESS POINTS WILL NEED THAT.
NORTH DEAN TO SHELTON MILL. >> NORTH DEAN TO SHELTON MILL.
>> NORTH DEAN DOESN'T CONNECT TO SHELTON MILL. THERE'S A ROAD THAT DOES GO WEST TO SHELTON ROAD. I GUESS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IN THE RECENT -- IT'S ON THE MAP. WHETHER THAT IS BUILT OR NOT DEPENDS ON OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. THERE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE -- KIND OF NORTH OF THIS THAT ARE ALSO LIKE THE STREETS ARE GOING APPROXIMATE BE A MAJOR PART.
THAT ROAD RU TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS. THESE ARE -- THOSE ARE THINGS THAT AS THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HAVE ANSWERS FOR THAT DAY THAT YOU WILL SEE. CORRECT.
>> I WOULD HOPE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS -- COMING FROM THAT
OTHER DIRECTION. >> WE JUST RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT THIS. THAT INTERSECTION IS OVER BUILT FOR THIS REASON.
>> THE CHANGE IS MADE TO THE NEW SITE PLAN GIVEN FOR TONIGHT INCLUDED THAT FLOOD CHANGE RIGHT?
QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION. > LY MOVE TO APPROVE KCU2025-038 AS
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> I SAVED MY TWO CASES FOR THE END SO WE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO
RAISE AND LOWER. OKAY. >> NOW I CAN SEE EVERYBODY.
[6. Annexation - Cole Place ]
>> EXACTLY. >> OKAY. THIS NEXT -- THESE NEXT TWO CASES ARE IN REGARDS TO THE SAME PROPERTY. THE FIRST REQUEST IS AN ANNEXATION. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ANNEX127 ACRES OF A LARGER 223 ACRES PARCEL. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON SOCIETY HILL ROAD EAST OF NASH CREEK DRIVE AND NORTH OF THE MOST RECENT ADARE PROPERTY THAT WAS ANNEXED. THE MITCHELL FARMS. THE
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PROPERTY IF ANNEXED IS IN THE OPAL TREE WATER SHED. IF THE PROPERTY COMES IN IT'LL COME IN AS RURAL WITH THE OVERLAY OF THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO BE ANNEXED IN WHITE. IT'S 120. WHY ISN'T THAT WORKING IN PRESS THE WRONG BOUTON. THIS IS 126, ALMOST 27 ACRES TO BE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND THE PROPERTY IN YELLOW WHICH IS ABOUT 96.5 ACRES WILL REMAIN IN THE COUNTY. CURRENTLY IT'S TWO PROPERTIES.IT IS TRIANGLE PIECE ALONG SOCIETY HILL ROAD AND THEN THIS
PROPERTY HERE. >> AND LET'S SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE FRONT SLIDE SAID THE ANTICIPATED, OKAY THE ANTICIPATED CITY COUNCIL DATE FOR THIS ONE WILL BE AUGUST 19TH AND NOT JULY 22ND. THAT IS FOR -- THAT IS THE AT APPLICANT'S REQUEST. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT I WOULD
BE GLAD TO HELP ANSWER THEM. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
>> OKAY. THE PRIORITY IS LOW. E HOW. POINTS WHAT WAS IT OUT OF
20? >> YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. I GUESS THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF THIS. I THINK -- ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO UPDATE. I THINK SPECIFICALLY WHEN ADDRESSING THE WATER SHED THERE'S A LOT OF PREVAILING THOUGHT THAT THE SENTIMENTS HAVE CHANGED. THE ORIGINAL PRIORITIES REALLY LOOKS AT THINGS FROM IS THIS VIABLE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. ARE THERE ACCESS TO UTILITIES. TO WHAT KIND OF SCHOOLS CAN WE GET -- CAN WE -- ET CETERA. THE LARGE ANSWER WITH THAT FOR THIS PROPERTY AT THAT TIME WAS NO. THE ANSWER FOR THAT IS STILL NO. WHAT HAS CHANGED IS JUST THAT THE SENTIMENT AROUND THE WATER SHED IS THAT ESPECIALLY THE FAR REACHES OF IT THIS WAS SO FAR OUT THIS WAS NEVER THE INTENT WAS THAT DEVELOPMENT WON'T FIND THIS PLACE T WILL BE A VERY LONG TIME BEFORE IT DOES. NOW THAT IT HAS THERE IS SENTIMENT AROUND WELL THERE IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPMENT IN THE WATER SHED. WE WOULD LIKE IT TO COMPLY WITH OUR STANDARDS.
TO DO THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THE CITY. SO THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN REFLECTED IN WHAT THE CURRENT PRIORITY IS. LIKE I SAID -- WHEN WE DO -- THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IT IN THE WATER SHED. WE SHOULD PROBABLY ANNEX IT.
>> THANK YOU. >> WHEN WE CHANGE THAT POLICY
THIS WILL BE HIGHER PRIORITY. >> YEAH. LIKE I SAID THE INITIAL SCORES REALLY APPROACH IT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES. IT'S A TECHNICAL ANALYSIS AND LOOKS AT IT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES AND COMESSA THE IT FROM THE CONCLUSION. IS THIS PROPERTY VIABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR NOT? LIKE I SAID FOR EVERYTHING IN THE FAR REACHES OF THE CITY LIKE THIS THE ANSWER IS NO. THEN IT'S ALSO IS IT LIKE THE WATER SHED WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT OUT HERE. DENSE DEVELOPMENT BUT ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
>> WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE WATER SHED.
>> THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED REFLECTED IN THE NEW METRICS WHEN WE DO THE POLICY.
>> THE PRIORITY LIST. >> WHAT ABOUT THE WATER SURRENDER SERVICE? WHAT ABOUT UTILITIES JUST WALL ALL THE WAY
AROUND? >> I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE ANY. THERE IS NO -- SERVICE THERE.
SUPERFLUSH WHERE IS THE NEWEST SEWAR CONNECTION?
THIS WOULD BE A GIFT. >> AND IS THERE A REASON WHY THE -- I MEAN -- IS THE WHOLE AREA IN RED OWNED BY THE SAME APPLICANT. IS THERE A REASON WHY THE WHOLE PROPERTY?
>> THAT WAS AT DISCRETION. WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT MONDAY AT THE MEETING. IT IS UP TO PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEFINE WHAT THEY WANT TO ANNEX. THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANNEXED.
>> CLEAR. ALMOST HAVE THE SAME QUESTION. BECAUSE WITH YOUR
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COMMENT ABOUT WATER SHED PACKET I WONDER THAT SAME QUESTION.THAT'S FINE. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE YOUR REQUIREMENT OR NOT. SO, OKAY.
SO, ANNEXATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
I GUESS JUST KIND OF CONFIRM, THE NEAREST SEWAR IS EASTLAKE
AND THAT'S A WAY UP. >> OKAY. MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. >> AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED OPPOSED? >> NEXT ITEM. OKAY. THE NEXT
[7. Preliminary Plat - Cole Place - PUBLIC HEARING]
CASE IS FOR THE SAME PROPERTY AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A SUBDIVISION T WILL COVER THE ENTIRE PROPERTY SO 223 ACRES WITH 127 IN THE CITY LIMITS.HERE IS THE PLAT AND IT'LL SHOW THE YELLOW AGAIN IS THE COUNTY.
ONE LARGE LOT WILL BE IN THE COUNTY REMAIN IN THE COUNTY AND ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF LOT 14 WILL REMAIN IN THE COUNTY. THIS BEING THE CASE IF THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY ANTICIPATES HAVING CITY SERVICES, SCHOOLS, THEN THE RESIDENTS WOULD NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE PORTION OF THE LOT.
>> JUST LOT 14. >> THAT'S ONE OF MY COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL AS STATING WHAT THE PURPOSE FOR THE LARGER LOT IS IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE STATED. IF IT'S OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL ON THE -- SUBDIVISION PLAT. AS FAR AS INQUIRIES ON THIS DEVELOPMENT STAFF DID FIELD SEVERAL PHONE CALLS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
MOST OF THEM WERE IN OPPOSITION OF THE SUBDIVISION AND A COUPLE OF THEM WERE JUST INFORMATIONAL ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> A PORTION OF IT IS IN THE CITY AND A PORTION IS IN THE
>> ALL THE -- OTHER SIDE OF THE WATER IS A DIFFERENT LOT.
>> AND IT HAS FRONTAGE WITH THIS STREET UP HERE.
>> GOT IT. THERE IS A GREEN WAY ON THE -- ALONG THE CREEK.
>> AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED A W AI VER TO THE SUBREGS TO NOT PLACE THE GREEN WAY IN A GREEN WAY EASEMENT THAT THE SUBDIVISION REQUIRES. THE REGULATIONS REQUIRE.
>> CAN YOU POINT THE GREENWAY OUT AGAIN?
>> IT IS ALONG THE CREEK. >> IT'S JUST ALONG THE CREEK.
>> INTERESTING. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT A
LITTLE MORE. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS MORE
INFORMATION TO THAT. >> YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH.
ASSOCIATION THEY THEY ARE OPEN TO THE CONDITION THAT IF THIS SHOULD BE W AI VED THAT THEY WOULD -- THEY OWN THE NOTCH OF ADARE WHERE THE CREEK GOES INTO A HOOK. IF YOU GO TO -- YOU CAN SEE IT. YEAH. IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ZOOM IN. THERE YOU GO.
>> LITTLE LOWER. LOWER. >> DOWN HERE.
>> YEAH. LITTLE LOWER. LOWER. >> THE ANTICIPATED GREENWAY.
IT CUTS HERE ALONG THAT LINE AND CONNECTS TO THE CITY'S FUTURE PARK.
>> YEAH. >> STILL NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE W AI VER. THIS HE ARE REQUESTING NOT PROVIDE THE GREENWAY.
THEN THE NOTCH IS WHERE IT'S IN THE WHITE. IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER. IF WE HAVE THE GREENWAY MAP AS A WHOLE. IT'S
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THIS FAR -- RIGHT HERE. >> NO. NO. NO.
>> FAR ON DOWN. >> A DIFFERENT WAY. HOW WILL THIS IMPROVE THE GREENWAY SITUATION HERE. HOW WOULD THAT
IMPROVE. >> THE W AI VER. IF WE DID THE W AI VER WHICH SAID NO EASEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY.
>> I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF IT.
>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I GUESS KIND OF -- THE NOTCH THAT IS KIND OF GOES FROM THAT LIKE EASTERN EDGE OF ADARE AND GOES SOUTH. THAT PROPOSED TRAIL AND LIKE I SAID EASEMENT. THIS IS THE VERY END OF IT. THE TRAIL THAT IS PROPOSED ON THE GREENWAY MAP FOR THE CITY ENDS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO THE IDEA WAS THAT I GUESS IT GOES FROM THERE, THAT POINT ALL THE WAY SNAKES SOUTH. GOES ALONG LEE ROAD AND THEN STARTS BENDING LESS. IT KEEPS GOING WEST. SO, THE IDEA WAS THAT EVEN IF YOU GET THE FAR REACHES THIS AND THIS TRAIL, THE TRAIL COULD BE GREATER IF IT WAS TO CONTINUE ON AND THAT WAY WOULD PROVIDE CONNECTION BACK DOWN TO LEE ROAD 146. ACROSS LEE ROAD 146 AND HEAD BACK WEST. YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH. IF YOU WEREN'T TO GET THIS NOTCH THAT'S MENTIONED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER YOU WOULD HAVE TO REROUTE THIS AND IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ADARE WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN PLATTED. THAT -- THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE THINKING. SO THE ENTIRE -- THAT TRAIL. THIS IS JUST THE NORTHERN MOST END OF IT. I KNOW YOU SEE THE CREEK THE ENTIRE WAY. THE GREEN WAY ON THE MAP DOESN'T GO THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THIS CREEK.
IT GOES LIKE I SAID TO THE END OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S IT.
>> THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST WAS THAT THE APPLICANT. THEIR IDEA WAS THAT A TRAIL THROUGH THIS -- OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WOULD CHANGE THE FEEL OF THEIR SUBDIVISION AND WOULD NOT BE THE SAME KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY SEE IT INITIALLY. IT WORKS OUT THAT THEY ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD HOLD THE ACCESS TO THAT NOTCH ALONG THE CREEK. IT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS FOR THE TRAIL TO KEEP GOING SOUTH AND WOULD PROVIDE A GREATER CONNECTION FOR THE ENTIRE TRAIL.
>> THAT'S GOOD. >> WE ARE -- IS THE EASEMENT.
WHAT THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY? IS ANY -- IS THAT GREENWAY UP
THERE AT ALL? >> IT'S NOT. IT ENDS. IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE CREEK THE ENTIRE WAY. IT'S DEBATABLE IF
IT IT'S A CREEK THAT FAR NORTH. >> RIGHT NOW THE GREEN WAY IS JUST PROPOSED RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. ESSENTIALLY THE GREENWAY ACROSS THE CITY. SOME OF THEM ARE CONSTRUCTED. A LOT ARE EASEMENTS. WE HAVE BEEN USING THIS 2011 PLAN. THIS WAS -- THIS IS KIND OF THE PLAN. THIS IS THE IDEA OF LIKE WHEN WE STARTED GETTING DEVELOPMENT IN THE FAR FLUNG PLACES WHERE WE HADN'T CONSIDERED THEM. IS THERE GOING TO BE THE WILL TO CONSTRUCT THE TRAILS, HOW DO WE GET THEM? WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM FROM A
CONNECTION STANDPOINT. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSED GREENWAY DOES GO THROUGH THAT NOTCH RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS.
>> CORRECT. >> WHAT IS -- WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE TO US MAKING THIS KIND OF TRAIL? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
>> YEAH. >> ALREADY -- YOU KNOW FAMILY ALREADY HAVE THAT GREENWAY GO THROUGH THAT NOTCH.
>> YEAH. POSSIBLY RIGHT. I GUESS LIKE LET'S SAY LIKE IF LIKE THE MILE FROM LIKE THE BOTTOM OF THE RED SQUARE. LET'S SAY THE TRAIL GOES NORTH ANOTHER MILE FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE RED SQUARE THE TRAIL GOES SOUTH FOR SEVERAL MORE MILES. SO THEN THE ISSUE WOULD BE THERE WOULD BE NO CONNECTION GET TO THE REST OF IT WITHOUT HAVING TO SNAKE IT EITHER ONTO THE ROAD IN ADARE AND THEN HIT 146 AND THEN REACH BACK ACROSS 146 AND THEN REUP ON THE CREEK. INSTEAD OF JUST FOLLOWING THE CREEK THE ENTIRE WAY AND GOING SOUTH ON IT. THERE'S MORE CONNECTION ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAN ON THE NORTH SIDE. IT'S JUST THAT THE NORTH PROPERTY IS COMING IN TO THE CITY AND LIKE IS UP FOR DEBATE
FIRST. >> IT'S -- IT'S A GOOD DEAL
THAT YOU ARE THINKING. >> I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE LARGER CONNECTION. WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT LIKE I SAID.
GOING NORTH ON THIS IT'S NOT MUCH OF A CREEK.
>> WHERE IS THAT MENTIONED? THIS?
>> IT'S NOT. >> IT'S THE W AI VER.
>> IT'S A W AI VER. THEY WILL INCLUDE THE NOTCH. I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT. THEY WILL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING A CONDITION. YOU W AI VE IT ON THE CONDITION THAT THEY PROVIDE THE GREENWAY EASEMENT. NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT,
AS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL. >> YEAH.
>> THE NOTCH. >> NO. NO. NO. I GUESS -- I
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GUESS -- I GUESS WE WOULD NEED LIKE A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF WHATWE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> AS A CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD TRADE ACCESS.
GREENWAY ACCESS TO ANOTHER PARCEL HELD BY OWNER?
>> THAT THIS WOULD CONTINUE. >> I WOULD SUGGEST A PLAT THAT SHOWS THIS PORTION OF THE GREENWAY THAT NEEDS TO BE.
>> DOES IT COME BACK TO FINAL? >> IT WOULD BE THE ADMIN PLAT.
THE GREENWAY PORTION WOULD GO TO COUNCIL.
>> YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT ON THE FINAL.
>> WE WOULD BRING IT TO YOU. >> I GUESS KIND OF LIKE THAT KATY SAID. IF YOU WANT TO CONDITION THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE FINAL PLAT. THAT ONE THAT DEDICATES THE GREENWAY TO SWAP BEFORE THIS GOES TO FINAL. THAT WOULD WORK. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD GET ON THE REPORT. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING EASY FOR
THEM TO DO. >> OKAY THE APPLICA, NT BUT THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. AFTER ALL THIS DISCUSSION WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE COME FORWARD? YES, SIR.
>> YES, SIR. MY NAME IS STEVE WARD. I OWN THE PROPERTY TO THE
>> THAT'S MY GOAL. THE ONLY THING OTHER THAN MORE NEIGHBORS COMING IN AND -- I DON'T WANT IT IN MY BACKYARD. THAT'S -- THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES. I THINK THIS WOULD WE A NICE ADDITION TO THE AREA.
MY ONLY QUESTION OR CONCERN WOULD BE AS IN -- THE PLAT THAT ADARE HAD WHICH MADE A -- TO CONNECT ONTO THIS PROPERTY.
WHERE THAT ROAD TO THE SOUTH WILL BE. I'M ASKING FOR A RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN I THINK ITS LOTS 27 AND 28. THIS THEY TOOK 30 FEET OFF THE LOT LINE ON EACH SIDE THAT WOULD GIVE A 60-FOOT RIGHT OF WAY GOING TO MY PROPERTY. THAT SOME DAY PROBABLY AFTER I'M GONE MIGHT DEVELOP. LIKE I SAID AS -- CONDITION OF WHATEVER -- AS MADE POSSIBLE FROM ADA, ARE, TO EXTEND INTO THIS PROPERTY I'M ASKING THAT THE ROAD BETWEEN I-27, 28 THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD LOCATION. IT'S ON A HILLIN STEAD OF DOWN IN THE CREEK BOTTOM. JUST 30 FEET ON EITHER SIDE WOULD GIVE A RIGHT OF WAY. NOT ASKING THEM TO PAVE IT OR PUT IT IN OR ANYTHING. JUST THE RIGHT OF WAY BE PROVIDED. DO IT IN A FUTURE DATE LIKE IT DID -- ENDS AT THE CREEK. SO POTENTIALLY SOME POINT IT COULD GO ACROSS THE CREEK. THAT WAS MY ONLY ISSUE WITH IT WAS JUST PROVIDING FOR AT MANY POINT IN THE FUTURE AND -- YOU GOT ME DOWN ON THE HIT LIST FOR FUTURE PROPERTY. HOPEFULLY I WILL GET TO ENJOY IT A LOT LONGER BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT PROVISION MADE SO THAT AS GROWTH HAPPENS WHICH IS A GOOD THING ABLE TO CONTINUE ON.
>> UNUSUAL REQUEST. NOT ONE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING SO POSITIVE AND SUPPORTIVE.
>> NOT THE PLAT FOR US. >> WE WILL ANSWER THAT AT THE
END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY
COMMENT. THANK YOU. >> PLEASE SIGN IN. THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I WILL CLOSE THAT NOW AND COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE? INVITE THEM FORWARD.
>> I GUESS JUST KIND OF TO ADDRESS THAT. WE HAD A SIMILAR THING WITH THE ADARE PROPERTY AS WELL. THAT IS IF HE WOULD LIKE THAT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ASKING FOR LAND. HE NEEDS TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. THAT IS NOT A CONDITION THAT YOU ALL CAN MAKE. THE CONFIGURATION. I GUESS IT DOES COMFORTABLE APPLY. YOU REQUEST ACCESS TO THE NORTH HE WOULD -- THAT'S -- YOU WOULD NEED TO BUY THAT FROM HIM. WOULD HAVE NOT DONE A CONNECTION
BECAUSE HE ISN'T IN THE CITY. >> I GUESS -- DAN CAN ANSWER THAT. I THINK KIND OF STUBBORN OUT TO THE CREEK. SO FAR.
SATISFIES THAT. LOOKS UP THERE THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT. >> IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE REQUIRE. THAT IS -- YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A PROPERTY IN THE
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CITY. THEY WERE PROVIDING STUB OUTS TO THE SOUTH AND THE EAST ALREADY. SO WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING INITIALLY MADE SENSE TO US IN TERMS OF PROVIDING CONNECTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN POINT TO ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO STAY OUTTO THE NORTH. >> THAT'S FINE WE CAN PUT THEM TOGETHER TO TALK IF THEY WANT. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND REPRESENTATIVE? IF YOU WILL PLEASE COME FORWARD.
YOU CAN DO IT AFTERWARDS, PLEASE.
>> I'M MICHAEL DILLWO RT H. >> YES.
>> I LIVE AT 3170 NORTHERN MILL ROAD.
>> YEAH. SO, GOING BACK TO THE GREENWAY QUESTION AGAIN. WHAT'S THE -- WHAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU ALL ARE OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED GREENWAY THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY?
>> WELL I THINK, YOU NO HE WENT TO THIS -- A NUMBER OF REASONS.
IF YOU WENT TO THIS SECTION OF CREEK I DON'T THINK IT SERVED THE CITY'S INTENTION FOR THE GREENWAY. THE BANKS OF THIS -- THE CREEK IN THIS AREA ARE WAY TO STEEP TO BE ABLE TO PUNTENEY KIND OF WALK IN THE BIKING TRAIL. ALSO, IF WE GO -- CAN WE GO TO THE MAP? THE BIG ONE? THAT NOTCH IN THE CORNER. I DON'T KNOW OWN ALL THIS PROPERTY. I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE IN THIS CASE.
I'M PURCHASING THE AREA WITH THE PLANNING LOTS. THERE IS ZERO INTENTION FOR THAT CORNER. THAT NOTCH IN THE GREENWAY TO EVER BE BROUGHT IN TO THE CITY AND BE DEVELOPED. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THE OWNER THAT HAVE PROPERTY IS WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT SECTION SO THAT THE GREENWAY CAN BE MILES LONG INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE MILES TO THE SOUTH LET'S SAY AND THEN A MILE AND THEN IT BE BROKEN. THEN A MILE AND A HALF SO TO SPEAK. SOME OF WHICH YOU GOT IN THERE AND STARTED LOOKING AT IT YOU WOULD ABANDON THAT LAST NORTH SECTION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> IT DOES. >> I THINK EVERYBODY WINS.
>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS. MOTIONS, CONDITIONS. FLAVORS. YOU WANT US TO VOTE ON IN SEPARATELY?
>> YES. MOTION ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FIRST.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE -- ANNOTATION CASE. EXCUSE ME.
THANK YOU. PP2025 -- 021COLE PLACE. DO WE JUST APPROVE IT WITHOUT MENTIONING THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLAT OR THE
CONDITION? >> THAT'S ON THE W AI VR.
THAT'S ON THE W AI VER. SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE
>> ANY OPPOSED. >> THANK YOU. NOW FOR THE W AI VER. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE W AI VER IN EXCHANGE FOR THE
NOTCH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. >> CONDITION.
>> OKAY. ON THE CONDITION THAT THERE BE THE -- THAT WE -- THAT CITY BE ALLOWED GREENWAY ACCESS TO THAT NOTCH.
>> OKAY. >> NOTCH IN THE PROPERTY.
>> THE PARCEL NUMBER -- IT'S 180101601001. JUST KIND OF I GUESS REALLY JUST IT'S THE GREENWAY EASEMENT ALONG ROBINSON
CREEK. ALONG THAT PARCEL NUMBER. >> OKAY. OKAY.
>> OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE W AI VER WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE -- THAT WE ALLOW GREENWAY ACCESS TO PARCEL NUMBER
WHATEVER HE MENTIONED. >> WHICH IS GREENWAY.
>> WHICH IS -- WHAT? >> UPON ROBINSON'S CREEK.
>> EASEMENT UPON ROBINSON CREEK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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>> SECOND. >> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE W AI VER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT ENDS BUSINESS OF THE
[OTHER BUSINESS ]
NIGHT FOR AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO DO SIR?>> YEAH. YEAH. I NEED -- WE HAVE HAD A VICE -- HAD THE VICE CHAIR RESIGNED BECAUSE OF EMPLOYMENT AND THAT LEAVES A VACANCY. YOU NEED TO ELECT OR -- AND OR DECIDE WHO WILL BE THE VICE
CHAIR. >> SO, OKAY. GREAT. WE HAVE AN ELECTION TO DO. WE DO HAVE A VACANCY IN THE VICE CHAIR. I WOULD -- LIKE TO TAKE NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR OR COMMISSIONERS. YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
>> I WILL MAKE A NOMINATION. LIKE -- I HAVE A NOMINATION.
>> VERY A NOMINATION. DANA ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS NOMINATION? GREAT. WAIT A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR FOR DANA CAMP TO MOVE
INTO THE VICE CHAIR POSITION. >> ANY OPPOSED. GREAT. GREAT WITH THIS CHANGE THAT NOW BRINGS A VACANCY TO THE SEAT AND I WOULD LIKE NOMINATION FROM THE FLOOR. THAT -- I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE PERSONALLY IF I CAN AS THE CHAIR OSCAR. MOSTLY FOR SECRETARY POSITION.
I HAVE A MOTION TO OSCAR, WOMENNING TO ACCEPT THIS POSITION OF SECRETARY. I ACCEPT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. PLEASE SAY AYE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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>> JUDGIST THAT WE ARE RECENTLY DOING THE BUDGET PLAN AND LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING AUTOMATIC THE THINGS WE WILL BE DOING. QUITE THE LIST OF STUFF. QUITE THE LIST OF STUFF.
SO WE WILL BE -- WE WILL BE HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING. I THINK ON LATE JULY. TO PRIORITIZE AND GET A SCHEDULE FOR EVERYTHING. SO, I WOULD SAY KIND OF PLAN ON A PRETTY BUSY FALL. JUST FROM EXTRA, EXTRA MEETINGS AND ALSO GOING OVER DIFFERENT PARTS OF -- DIFFERENT FACETS OF IT AND DIFFERENT -- DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.
THIS IS HIS SECOND MEETING? >> THIS IS THEIR SECOND MEETING,
YES. >> PRESENTED TONIGHT. THAT'S
>> YEAH. YEAH. THEN THERE SHOULD BE A NOMINATION AT THE -- AT THE JULY -- THE SECOND JULY COUNCIL MEETING OF THE TWO OTHER
COMMISSIONERS. SO, >> THAT AUGUST THEY WOULD BE IN
PLACE. >> BY AUGUST AND SOY THINK WE WILL HAVE SOME PLANNING COMMISSIONER TRAINING. WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR THE TWO PEOPLE COMING ON AND THEN WILL HAVE TRAINING AS A WHOLE FOR THE ENTIRE BODY AND ALSO OPEN SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS, OTHER BOARDS AS
>> IS IT -- I HEARD A RUMOR THAT THE INTERVIEWS FOR THE -- NEW POTENTIAL MEMBER IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
>> YES, IT IS. >> SET THE OCCASION.
>> IT'S ON THE CALENDAR. >> JULY.
>> OKAY. IF -- LOOK FORWARD TO A BUSY FALL WITH ALL OF YOU. OKAY.
I NEED A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. >> MOVE TO ADJOURN.
>> SECOND
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