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IF WE CAN HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. DANA KEMP HERE.NANETTE REECE HERE. VANESSA ECCLES HERE. JENNIFER LOVEN HERE.
JOSEPH ASTRUP HERE. PHIL CHANCELLOR HERE. JENNIFER STEVENS HERE.
OSCAR MOSLEY HERE. WALKER DAVIS HERE. THANK YOU.
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PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW. THANK. YOU.WE RARELY HAVE PEOPLE COME FOR CITIZENS, BUT.
YES. PLEASE SIGN IN AND YOU CAN DO IT AFTER YOU SPEAK.
AND THEN FIVE MINUTES. IF. FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT. OR IS IT. SURE, PLEASE. BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE OUT THERE. OKAY.
NERVOUS? IS THERE A CLOCK ON THE TOP? RIGHT. THERE WE GO.
OH, SWEET. OKAY. CLOCK'S TICKING. GOOD EVENING.
COMMISSION MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JOJO VAN HORN, AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE SOME COMMENTS, REITERATE SOME COMMENTS I SHARED WITH CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK. SO MY APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE FOR THE CITY EMPLOYEES FOR ITS FOR WHOSE IT'S REDUNDANT.
SO THANK YOU. FIRST AND FOREMOST, MY WIFE AND I LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS ON THE WAVERLY SIDE OF TOWN, KIND OF HALFWAY BETWEEN PEAR TREE AND WAVERLY.
WE MOVED HERE THREE YEARS AGO AFTER SPENDING SOME TIME DURING COVID AT LAKE MARTIN.
AND DURING THAT TIME THAT WE REALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, STARTED TO FREQUENT THE AUBURN OPELIKA COMMUNITY AND REALLY FELL IN LOVE WITH EVERYTHING WE FOUND HERE. AND SO WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WE CAN BUY A MODEST HOUSE ON SOME LAND AND JUST BE 15 MINUTES FROM KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN CORE, BUT HAVE SOME PEACE AND TRANQUILITY OUT IN THE COUNTRY. WE JUMPED ON THE OPPORTUNITY IN 2022.
AND SINCE THEN, WE HAVEN'T REGRETTED IT ONE BIT.
WHICH SOMEWHAT BRINGS ME TO WHY I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE'RE A BIT SURPRISED LAST MONTH WHEN WE FOUND THAT A LARGE TIMBER TRACT BORDERING US ABOUT 800 ACRES, WHICH IS OWNED BY AN INVESTMENT COMPANY OUT OF ATLANTA, WAS IN THE BEGINNING PHASES OF WORKING WITH SOME DEVELOPERS OUT OF NASHVILLE TO DO KIND OF A URBAN, RURAL STYLE, WHAT I WOULD CALL HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT WITHIN THE PLANNING JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT WORKS, WHICH IS JUST IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, I'VE LEARNED HOW ALL THAT WORKS. AND SO SOME NEIGHBORS AND I WERE CONCERNED AND, WELL, I'M A PROUD SUPPORTER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND FREE MARKETS AND ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS. I ALSO THINK THERE'S A TIME AND A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING.
SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WITHOUT WITHOUT ACCESS TO SEWER POLICE JURISDICTION, FIRE JURISDICTION CITY SCHOOLS COULD BE POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC ON A DIRT ROAD.
SO SOME NEIGHBORS AND I STARTED TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE, WHAT COULD WE DO? AND SO I'M THE ONE THAT HAD SOME INTEREST AND AND MOTIVATION AND SOME TIME TO EDUCATE MYSELF.
SO IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THIS IS THE SECOND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING I'VE BEEN TO.
AND HONESTLY, WHAT I'VE LIKE A LOT OF SPIRITED DEBATE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN UP HERE JUST IN MY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND I'VE SEEN HARD QUESTIONS BEING ASKED. I'VE HEARD THOUGHTFUL ANSWERS BEING GIVEN.
I'VE SEEN SPLIT VOTES ON THINGS. I REALIZED I'D BE TERRIBLE AT THIS JOB BECAUSE I'D TRY TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, AND IT'S LIKE, THERE'S NO WAY EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE HAPPY AND A LOT OF THESE SITUATIONS. AND SO I DON'T ENVY THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS THAT APPRECIATION AND PETITION YOU, AS I'M SURE YOU ALREADY DO, TO KEEP THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY WHO HAVE A LONG TERM VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AT THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR DECISION MAKING.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S COMPLICATED AND I KNOW THE SYSTEM ISN'T PERFECT.
PERFECTION ISN'T THE GOAL. HOPEFULLY IT'S JUST THE COMMITMENT TO SLOW, STEADY PROGRESS, WORKING TOGETHER, MAKING IMPROVEMENTS WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED, WHILE ALSO PROTECTING SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE LOVE AND WANT TO MAINTAIN OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING.
KEEP IT UP. THANK YOU FOR HEARING A VOICE OF A NEW GUY LIKE ME TO TOWN.
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THANK YOU. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN CITIZENS COMMUNICATION? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION AND MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS.[OLD BUSINESS]
IS THERE A YOU'RE DOING THAT? YEAH. SO THANK YOU.THERE WAS THE ANNEXATION, AND THEN THERE WAS THE TWO REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE REQUESTS.
THE ANNEXATION WAS APPROVED BY YOU ALL. AND THE REZONING, THE DOUBLE REZONINGS AND THE CONDITIONAL USE WERE TABLED BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS NOT IN PLACE. IN BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING, THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR HICKORY CREEK LD AT THIS TIME.
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
I'M EXCITED TO KIND OF EXPLAIN ALL THE NUANCE TO THIS PROJECT.
DO WE HAVE TO CHANGE? YES, THAT'D BE GREAT.
OKAY. WE'RE GOOD TO GO. PERFECT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
I THINK WE DID THAT IN THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD REFRESHER TO JUST RUN THROUGH IT. SO THIS AREA GENERALLY DOES HAVE RURAL CHARACTER, I'D SAY, ESPECIALLY ONCE YOU CROSS THE CREEK.
AND THE GOOD NEWS TO THAT IS, AS SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AT THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON SAND HILL ROAD AS WELL, THE NATURAL CONFIGURATION OF THE LAND OVER THERE DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW FOR MUCH MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT PAST THIS POINT.
SO CHEWACLA CREEK REALLY SERVES AS A GREAT DIVIDING LINE.
IT'S GOING TO BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT CITY INPUT TO GET SEWER PAST WALKER CREEK.
SO WE HAVE A REALLY NATURAL BOUNDARY TO DEVELOPMENT THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE RURAL AREA OUT THERE. BUT ADDITIONALLY, ON THE WEST SIDE OF CHOCOLATE CREEK, WE DO SEE THAT THERE IS A LOT MORE DENSITY.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AREA OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, TO THE SOUTHWEST, WE HAVE CBD ZONING. THAT'S THE GREENS THAT WE'RE ADJACENT TO.
IT'S GOT 6.7 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE TO THE NORTH.
WE HAVE TWO PROPERTIES ACROSS SAND HILL ROAD, SO WE HAVE PARKERSON MILL SUBDIVISION WHICH IS ZONED LD AND CURRENTLY HAS 2.1 UNITS AN ACRE AND IS IN ITS EXISTING STATE. AND THEN THE OTHER PROPERTY OVER THERE IS NC NINE WHICH KIND OF BY RIGHT.
AND ONCE YOU LAYOUT NC NINE, YOU END UP WITH A DENSITY AROUND 4.8 UNITS PER ACRE.
THERE IS A SEVERE LACK OF COMMERCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE OVER THERE.
THERE'S NOT A COFFEE SHOP TO GO MEET SOMEONE AT.
THERE'S NOT A SMALL GENERAL STORE. THERE'S NOT.
THERE'S JUST AN ABSENCE OF THOSE THINGS SOUTH OF 85.
AND SO AS SOMEONE I'M ACTUALLY MOVING ON SANDHILL ROAD RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE VERY DESIRABLE TO HAVE ON THIS AREA OF TOWN IN A VERY TASTEFUL WAY.
AND SO THAT'S A NUANCE WE'RE NOT PUTTING GAS STATIONS IN OR BIG BOX STORES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WORK REALLY WELL IN LEE COUNTY.
AND SPECIFICALLY, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THEM IN THE CITY OF AUBURN, MAYBE.
OH, NO. NO, IT'S LAGGING. HOLD ON. OKAY, I'M BACK IN CONTROL. OKAY, SO I JUST WANT TO RUN THROUGH THE AMENITIES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT REALLY QUICK. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GO FOR.
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EXPERIENCE THE WOODED AREAS THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED.AND WE'RE NOT JUST GETTING BIG CLUMPS OF UNUSED SPACE.
HOW DO WE INTEGRATE THE PEOPLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT TO WHERE THEY CAN USE THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S BEING GIVEN TO THEM? SO COMMUNITY GARDEN AT THE ENTRANCE, DOG PARK KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT.
WE'LL HAVE A BASKETBALL COURT AND THEN A CENTRAL PLAYGROUND AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL AREAS. SO THESE ARE JUST SOME RENDERINGS OF KIND OF THE VISION OF WHAT THESE THINGS WILL LOOK LIKE INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT. ALSO, AS A PART OF THIS PDC, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEDICATE 32 ACRES OF THIS SITE TO THE CITY OF AUBURN, PRIMARILY FOR THE ACCESS TO THE TWO MAIN CREEKS THAT FORM THE BOUNDARY ON THIS SITE, WHICH ARE CREEK AND PARK AND MILL CREEK. THIS IS SOME OF THE BEST SECTION OF CHOCOLATE CREEK IN THE CITY OF AUBURN, AND I LITERALLY DROVE BY THERE TODAY, AND THERE WAS CARS PARKED AND PEOPLE TRESPASSING DOWN THERE.
YES, BUT BUT ENJOYING THE CREEK. AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS MORE ACCESSIBLE, NOT ONLY HERE BUT EVEN FURTHER NORTH BY THE GREENWAY THAT WE'VE STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY THAT THIS CREATES A POSSIBILITY FOR.
BUT IN BETWEEN THIS AND ARBOR WOODS EASEMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED.
THIS OPENS THE DOOR FOR THE CITY TO REALLY BRING IN A SIGNIFICANT GREENWAY ALONG, PROBABLY ARGUABLY AT ONE OF OUR BEST NATURAL RESOURCES IN THE CITY OF AUBURN THAT'S REALLY ONLY ACCESSIBLE RIGHT NOW THROUGH CHOCOLATE STATE PARK. THIS ALSO WOULD CREATE JUST REALLY GREAT PEDESTRIAN OPPORTUNITIES, REALLY GREAT BIKING OPPORTUNITIES. AND IT'S VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH LANGUAGE FROM THE 2030 COMP PLAN STATING THE CITY'S GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A MORE WALKABLE CITY WITH A WALKABLE DOWNTOWN, SIDEWALKS AND STREETS THAT ARE SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND GREENWAYS THAT CONNECT EVERYDAY DESTINATIONS AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INTERACTIONS BETWEEN PEOPLE.
THAT IS VERY AT THE CORE OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A REALLY A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN TO CONTINUE TO MAKE IT AN EVEN BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT REALLY CONNECT THIS AREA.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THAT IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR THE CITY.
THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE MORE RENDERINGS. THAT'S ACTUALLY A PICTURE OF CHOCOLATE CREEK ON OUR SITE ON THE TOP LEFT WITH A RENDERING OF WHAT THE GREENWAY WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO IT'S NOT JUST A MADE UP IMAGE ALTOGETHER. SO THESE ARE FROM PHOTOS ON SITE.
THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL AREA. HE COULD TWEAK SLIGHTLY, BUT GENERALLY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
NEIGHBORHOOD GROCER, QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT, SMALL EVENT SPACE, OFFICE SPACE AND THEN SMALL OUTDOOR AREA AND THEN SOME PICKLEBALL AMENITY AREA AS WELL. WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE AN INTERCHANGE BETWEEN THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
SO THINK OF A HUB FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN ENJOY THIS AREA.
LIKE, YOU CAN'T JUST THROW A GREENWAY DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS. WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS IT WHO BOTH LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND DO NOT LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT'S THE GOAL OF THIS COMMERCIAL AREA TO REALLY SERVE AS THAT DESTINATION COMMERCIAL AND A HUB FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO ENJOY THE GREENWAY AND EVEN TRAVERSE DOWN FROM MIMS TRAIL AND THOSE OTHER AREAS TO USE THESE AMENITIES.
THESE ARE JUST SOME RENDERINGS. I'M GOING TO SKIP THE SEWER BECAUSE I HAVE 10S.
TYPICAL LOTS ON THE SITE. IT'S ALL IN YOUR PDC LETTER.
WE HAVE AM I ON A TIMER? YEAH. SO. SO I GUESS KIND OF.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RECENTLY CHANGED. JUST KIND OF THE COUNCIL LEVEL. AND SO WE'VE KIND OF BEEN MODELING THAT, BUT I GUESS IT'S KIND OF WEIRD SINCE HAYES WENT FIRST, BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE HIM TO KIND OF EXPLAIN MORE, HE'D BE FREE TO DO THAT.
YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTERWARDS. SO. SO HE CAN HE CAN COME BACK UP AND TALK. BUT IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF IN A QUESTION AND ANSWERING AFTERWARDS FOR THE APPLICANT. SO I WOULD SAY LET OTHER OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, LET THEM SPEAK AND THEN ASK HAYES QUESTIONS. I GOT THROUGH MOST OF IT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY.
THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR HICKORY CREEK IS STILL OPEN.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ABOUT THAT AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE DO SO.
OUTSIDE OF THE CLOCK. NOW, SINCE THEY'RE JUST. IT'S A QUESTION AND ANSWER SITUATION.
I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
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TO THE APPLICANT. PLEASE COME FORWARD. OKAY. OKAY.I'LL ASK A COUPLE OF THEM TO START WITH. IS THE THE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU HAVE THERE, IS THAT IS THAT A WORD THAT COMES TO MIND IS LANDLOCKED, BUT IS THE ONLY ACCESS TO THAT IS DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR THE DEVELOPMENT? YES. THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND SO TYPICALLY IN THE PLANNING THEORY WORLD, IF YOU LET ME GO THAT WAY FOR A SECOND, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO BE ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TRAFFIC COUNTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HEAVY COMMERCIAL. RIGHT. WE WANT TO BE ON MAIN CORRIDORS. WE WANT PEOPLE TO DRIVE BY STARBUCKS SO MORE PEOPLE CAN GET A COFFEE.
GIVE THEM A PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE A HUB TO ENJOY THIS NATURAL RESOURCE.
AND SO THAT CENTER COULD BE ALONG AN INTERSECTION WHERE YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC COUNTS, OR IT COULD BE AROUND A UNIQUE NATURAL RESOURCE.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD SAY WE ARE. OUR PEDESTRIAN SHED IS ALIGNING WITH THIS NATURAL RESOURCE, THIS HUB AREA TO WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THESE FUTURE GREENWAY.
SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THAT THE TRAFFIC, IF YOU WILL, IS NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS WHAT'S CLOSEST TO IT OR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK TO IT. SO THAT'S THE OR THEIR BIKING OR KAYAKING OR ON THE ON A WATERWAY.
YOU TALKED ABOUT. SO A BIG PART OF THIS IS SOME SORT OF GREENWAY.
ACCESS OR WHATEVER. SO WHAT? WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO CHEWACLA PARK ON A GREENWAY AND DEVELOP THIS CAN MAYBE CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT HERE FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS OVER THE LAST YEAR.
YEAH. SO IF YOU CAN GO I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY AN HE'S PRESENTATION.
BUT I GUESS THE. YEAH, IF YOU JUST WANT TO GO TO THAT SLIDE, WE CAN KIND OF TALK THROUGH IT.
AND IS THERE SOME SORT OF I KEEP AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE GREENWAY PLAN HAS BEEN IN DESPERATE NEED.
AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF BEEN LOOKING AT AT THE CITY OF WE HAVE A COLLECTION OF A LOT OF THESE EASEMENTS. THESE GREENWAY EASEMENTS HAVE BEEN DEDICATED FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE. THIS CHUNK THAT'S JUST KIND OF AT THE CONFLUENCE OF TWO CREEKS AND JUST KIND OF WITH THE I JUST KIND OF THE HAPPENSTANCE OF HAYES HAS DONE DEVELOPMENT DOWN HERE. THIS WOULD CONNECT FROM THIS PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ALL THE WAY UP TO CHEWACLA AS MUCH I MEAN, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH CHOCOLATE STATE PARK ABOUT IT AND TALKING TO THE PARK MANAGER JUST KIND OF ABOUT HOW IT WOULD FUNCTION. WE HAVEN'T IRONED OUT THOSE DETAILS YET. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WAITING. WE'RE WAITING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THEM. BUT WE'VE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT IT.
I THINK FROM AN EXECUTION STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO IRON OUT.
BUT WE DO HAVE. THERE IS A GREENWAY GREENWAYS MASTER.
THERE IS A GREEN SPACE AND GREENWAYS MASTER PLAN THAT DOES HAVE THIS CORRIDOR ON THERE.
AND I GUESS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PART OF THE EXCHANGE THAT THEY WOULD CONNECT ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK.
AND SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE JUST SAYING THE EASEMENTS ARE THERE. I GUESS WE'VE HAD THE EASEMENT LAYER. I COULD SHOW IT TO YOU ALL. JUST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS RIGHT WHEN YOU GET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SANDHILL, ACROSS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT PART OF THE CREEK THAT.
SO WE HAVE THE EAST SIDE OF THAT SIDE OF THE CREEK.
THAT PART'S INCREDIBLY STEEP. IT'S LIKE 20FT OF FALL KIND OF DEAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK, WHICH THEY DON'T CONTROL WOULD BE MORE IDEAL.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT HOW DO WE EXECUTE IT AT SOME POINT? SO THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD NEW NEWS. THANK YOU.
I HAVE A COUPLE FOR STAFF, SO I'LL JUST WAIT.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH I DO. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DESTINATION IN THIS EVENT CENTER.
YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU EXPLAIN. WHAT DO YOU WHAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
YEAH. WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? AND THEN I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER.
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SUSTAINABLE IN THE CITY OF AUBURN. WHERE ARE THEY BOOKED OUT FOREVER? AND RED BARN IS WHAT CAME UP. AND THE WHAT CAME TO ME WAS, IF YOU BUILD ANOTHER RED BARN, IT WILL BE USED. AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE'VE MODELED THE DIMENSIONS ON THAT EVENT SPACE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS RED BARN.NOT NECESSARILY 500 PERSON WEDDING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT SIZE.
SO I THINK I THINK WE CAN ALL REFER TO AT RED BARN.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW TELL ME ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER.
OKAY. BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE WE HAVE RESTAURANTS. NOT A THOUSAND.
ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO. AND EVEN WHAT IF I CAN GO THROUGH.
YEAH. LET ME SHOW YOU. PLEASE DO. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I HAVE A ZOOM IN OF THE COMMERCIAL HERE. LET ME FIND IT.
SO, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THOSE LITTLE DARK BLACK SQUARES.
THOSE ARE PICNIC TABLES FOR REFERENCE. SO THAT'S THE SIZE OF THIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND AGAIN, REALLY THE IDEA IS TO LEAVE A LOT OF THIS AREA WOODED SO THAT YOU ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING OUT TO BE IN NATURE WHILE YOU CAN STILL HAVE COFFEE AND ICE CREAM AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND INTERACT WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM. THE GOAL IS NOT CLEAR.
EVERY TREE MAKE EVERYTHING ONE LEVEL. ALL THIS WILL BE STEPPED AND THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRYING TO CREATE, LIKE I SAID, A WAY TO INTERACT POINT.
HOW DO YOU FEEL? OH I'M SORRY. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT PARKING AND HOW DO WE COLLECTIVELY, AS THE CITY, FEEL ABOUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO THAT YOU ARE KEEPING PEOPLE OFF OF THESE OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES? POTENTIALLY. SURE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO GENERALLY THE PARKING IS IN LINE WITH THE CITY REGS.
WE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF SPECIFICS AROUND AMPHITHEATERS.
BUT WHAT MY ARGUMENT TO THAT WOULD BE IS AMPHITHEATER WILL NOT BE IN USE WHEN OFFICE IS IN USE.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SHARED PARKING. I KNOW JUSTIN AND I HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF REALLY THINKING LOGICALLY THROUGH THIS OF WHEN WILL THIS PARKING BE USED? AND SO I THINK WE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S IN THE LETTER, I BELIEVE, BUT I THINK IT'S 106 PARKING SPACES BEING PROVIDED, AND WE FEEL THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATE TO SUPPORT THESE USES.
OBVIOUSLY, I THINK SCALE IS REALLY HARD TO GRASP HERE. MAYBE.
AND SO THAT'S MORE OF A GENERAL STORE SIZE. OKAY, SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.
SO THE GROCER, SERVICE RESTAURANT, ETC.. THAT'S PHASE THREE OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND WHAT KIND OF TIMING ARE YOU LOOKING AT.
NUMBER ONE FOR THAT. AND NUMBER TWO IS YOU ALREADY HAVE TENANTS LINED UP.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO LINE TENANTS UP PRIOR TO ZONING BEING ESTABLISHED ESPECIALLY.
IT'S VERY EARLY ON. WE'VE TALKED WITH PEOPLE AND THERE'S GENERAL INTEREST, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MUCH. BUT AS FAR AS SIGNED LEASES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A RISK THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT GROUP IS TAKING ON.
SO I WOULD SAY WE'RE HIGHLY INCENTIVIZED TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
AND SO WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT PUT IN PLACE YET.
WE ALSO NEED SOME ROOFTOPS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE DOING THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE LISTED IT IN PHASE THREE IN OUR PDP LETTER.
OKAY. YES, SIR. BUT NO, NO SPECIFIC TIMING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
NOT YET. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO MAKING AN ENTRANCE THAT'S CLOSER TO THE THIS PART WITH THE EVENT SPACE AND ALL OF THAT, SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WE HAVE. SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.
THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS WE KIND OF HAVE A CHOICE HERE. WE EITHER HAVE TO ALIGN WITH MILL CREEK AND MAKE THAT A CLEAN TRANSITION POINT TO WHERE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE COMING. WE ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, OR THE ISSUE IS IF WE START SHIFTING FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM MILL CREEK, WHERE IT'S ADEQUATE DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE INTERSECTIONS, WE START RUNNING INTO THE BRIDGE AT CHOCOLATE CREEK.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF LANDED ON THIS ENTRANCE AT MILL CREEK.
JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS A SAFETY. A BETTER SAFETY SITUATION.
AND THEN AVOIDING, OBVIOUSLY WIDENING THE BRIDGE WHICH IS A BIG UNDERTAKING.
SO THAT WAS ALSO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. I SEE THAT THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES.
I KNOW THAT THAT IS A SUPER SPECIFIC LOCATION FOR TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING FAST FOR SURE.
SO ALIGNING THAT I DO FEEL LIKE IS IS REALLY OUR OUR BEST OPTION PERSONALLY.
BUT IS THAT PART OF THIS THAT WILL GO THROUGH OR LATER ON FROM A CONDITION IS TO KIND OF BEEF THAT
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UP AS A AS IT RELATES TO BOTH TRAFFIC STUDIES AND JUST SAFETY IN GENERAL.YEAH. SO LIKE I LIKE I MENTIONED, I THINK STAFF HAS KIND OF POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S BEEN THERE'S BEEN INTEREST OR I GUESS SOME CURIOSITY ABOUT REQUIRING A THIRD ENTRANCE, JUST KIND OF ON THAT FAR EAST SIDE AND LOOKING AT THAT.
AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE, I GUESS, IN A DIFFERENT RENDERING, THERE WAS ACCESS TO THE TRAIL, LIKE A PARKING LOT, KIND OF SIMILAR TO THAT, BUT ALSO WOULD PROVIDE A MORE DIRECT ACCESS TO SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL ON THIS SIDE.
AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF TALKING ABOUT MUCH MORE LIKE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS STUFF. NOT NECESSARILY THE NEED FOR A THIRD ACCESS OR NOT, BUT THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D PROBABLY FIGURE OUT IN.
DR.. AND IF IT BECAME A STICKING POINT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D REQUIRE.
OKAY, WHAT ABOUT LEE COUNTY? I GUESS YOU CAN THE COORDINATION WITH LEE COUNTY.
YES. WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH LEE COUNTY, AND THEY ARE THEY ARE GOING TO IMPOSE THEIR REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM OURS. BUT THAT WOULD BE LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES AT THE TWO ACCESS POINTS.
SO THE ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE IS NOT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, ONLY ON THAT.
THOSE ARE BOTH FULL ACCESS. WOW. OKAY. OKAY. I KIND OF WORRY ABOUT THE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ONLY TAKING PEOPLE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PEOPLE THAT WALK IN.
I MEAN, NOT NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THAT.
I ACTUALLY KIND OF SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT AS PEOPLE COMING FROM THE MIMS TRAIL PARKERSON MILL AREA ARE GOING TO GO DIRECTLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE LIGHT OR WHATEVER IT ENTRY OF THAT. THEY THEY HAVE A WAY TO COME IN.
YEAH. AND KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I MENTIONED ON MONDAY I'M NOT I'M NOT FAMILIAR.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY REMEMBER GREENVILLE BEFORE, LIKE THE SWAMP RABBIT TRAIL, BUT IT WAS A. YEAH. GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
THERE IS A TOWN NORTH OF GREENVILLE. TRAVELERS REST.
AND IT WAS THIS MASSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOOM.
BUT I BUT I THINK ALSO IT KIND OF ENGENDERED LIKE THIS MASSIVE CULTURAL CHANGE OF JUST LIKE, WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING FROM? AND THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM A TRAIL AND THEY'RE LIKE, BUT THERE'S NO HIGHWAY THAT GOES THROUGH HERE. AND IT WAS LITERALLY JUST BECAUSE A BIKE TRAIL WENT THROUGH IT. SO I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK AND SAY THAT I THINK THIS WOULD MIRROR THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT EVENTUALLY THE TRAFFIC AND THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE HANGING OUT AND DISCOVERING THIS, WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T ALL JUST BE PEOPLE DRIVING BY OR PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN, LIKE, NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE IN PROXIMITY. TRAILS, TRAILS DO JUST KIND OF END UP WORKING AS A MAGNET TO PEOPLE IF THEY'RE LONG ENOUGH. THANKS.
YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS SO WITH RESPECT TO WATER, SEWER POWER, THOSE KINDS OF AGREEMENTS ARE IN PLACE. I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE COMPETENCE OF THE AGREEMENT, I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY FOR LOACHAPOKA.
THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET CITY FIRE STANDARD FOR FOR ANY TYPE OF FLOW.
VOLUME FOR FIRE PROTECTION. ON THE SEWER SIDE, WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE.
SCOTT. SCOTT'S BEEN WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE DEVELOPER, BUT THERE IS A COST SHARING MECHANISM AND A NEW LIFT STATION AND ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH IT. AND THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SERVICE ALL OF THIS, INCLUDING THIS COMMERCIAL.
SO 32 ACRES BEING DEDICATED TO THE CITY. I MEAN, DOES THE CITY, CAN THE CITY SUPPORT THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S NICE, YEAH, MAN. I JOKE WITH THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR THAT I TRY TO GIVE HER LAND, LIKE, EVERY OTHER MONTH, AND SHE JUST TELLS ME NO. SO, SO SO I THINK THERE'S BEEN THERE'S BEEN SO SHE'S BEEN SHE'S KIND OF SHE'S BEEN A PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS JUST KIND OF ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE TRAIL. AND SO WE'VE TALKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND PARKS AND REC JUST BECAUSE THEY CONSTRUCT THE TRAIL, MAINTAIN THE TRAIL, ALL OF THAT. THE TRAIL SIDE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SKEPTICISM WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, 30 ACRES IS FLOODPLAIN. THERE IS SOME SKEPTICISM ABOUT THAT.
BUT I GUESS THERE WOULD BE BE A PASSIVE PARK.
AND I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST THING THAT SHE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WAS, LET'S SAY WE TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAILHEAD, GREENWAY AND ALL THAT STUFF. THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODWAY ON THE SITE,
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I THINK, ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST, ON THE WESTERN SIDE.JUST KIND OF TAKE IT ON. BUT BUT THOSE ARE THINGS WHERE THAT FLOODPLAIN IS AN ISLAND AND I GUESS LIKE ONE OF THE I'M STRUGGLING, BUT THE IT'S LIKE THE 30 SOMETHING ACRES THAT WAS UP ON NORTH COLLEGE THAT WAS A PART OF A DEVELOPMENT, ASHTON LAKES, I THINK SO, NO, NO, NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOUTH OF THAT.
AND THERE'S A GREENWAY THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH IT. BUT I DO WANT TO DO WANT TO STRESS ON THEIR SIDE THERE IS APPREHENSION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT IT IF THEY WERE WITH THE TRAIL GOING THROUGH IT, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS. THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. AND THAT WAS WHY THEY KIND OF PUSHED FOR THE PARKING. BUT THEN, LIKE I SAID, THEIR BIGGEST THING IS JUST FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T BUILD FROM A GAZEBO STANDPOINT. BENCHES, TRAIL MAINTENANCE AND ALL OF THAT.
JUST KIND OF WITH. AND STAYING OUT OF THE FLOODWAY.
SO SHORT ANSWER. THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
THEY ARE AWARE IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE. YEAH. NO DECISION.
THEY'RE THEY'RE ON BOARD OF HAVING A TRAIL THAT WOULD CONNECT TO CHEWACLA.
I THINK FOR THE LARGER VISION IS WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF IN SUPPORT OF. SO IT KIND OF MAKES ME.
ANOTHER QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE WE JUST APPROVED IN THE CITY, THE CITY COUNCIL JUST APPROVED A PROVISO THAT ALLOWS RURAL COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, AND WE AND THE WHOLE THING THAT WAS BEHIND THAT, THAT DISCUSSION AND WHY, YOU KNOW, IT MADE SENSE TO US WAS THAT IT WOULD BE BUILT IN ACCESSIBLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ARTERIALS AT CROSSROADS PLACES THAT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE TRAFFIC BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND DRIVE THROUGH AND ALL THAT, AND THEN YOU CONTRAST IT WITH WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING HERE WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
I GOT TO SAY FIRST, I LIKE IT. MY, MY ISSUE IS I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE IT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN THIS CITY.
OKAY. AND SO WE'RE PRIORITIZING WHERE DO WE PUT THOSE RESOURCES TO GET THE BEST FOR THE CITIZENS.
THIS IS OUT THERE AND IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF RESOURCES.
AND IS THIS THE BEST DECISION TO MAKE NOW, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS LOCATION.
WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED RESOURCES IN OUR CITY.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF COME ON. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.
YEAH. SO SO I THINK THAT WAS A LAYERED, MULTIFACETED COMMENT.
SO SO SO SO I THINK FROM A, FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT AND I, AND I THINK KIND OF THE ARTERIALS, THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION THAT IS SHOWN, LET'S SAY HE WAS JUST TO SUBDIVIDE THIS KIND OF CREATE THESE ROADS AND THE COMMERCIAL WOULDN'T BE VIABLE. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THAT. IF THIS IS ALL JUST A RULE, BECAUSE THESE WERE NOT GOING TO BE COLLECTORS OR ARTERIALS AND LIKE SO IT WOULD KIND OF FORCE THE ROAD FRONTAGE, BUT I GUESS KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAYS MENTIONED IS MUCH MORE DESTINATION.
HE'S NOT REALLY THAT HE'S KIND OF PLAYING A DIFFERENT GAME, DOING DIFFERENT CALCULUS ON THIS ONE. SO THE ONLY MEANS THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE IT WOULD BE TO ASK FOR THE REZONING ASK FOR THE PD ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
KIND OF IN THE FACE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IN THE FACE OF, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS I GUESS SO THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER THING, THE LAND USE PLAN AND I GUESS KIND OF IT DOESN'T.
THAT DOESN'T AT THIS POINT, THE WAY WE'VE JUST UPDATED IT, IT DOESN'T.
YEAH. AND I GUESS SO. AND SO THE AND BUT HE TOUCHED ON THAT THAT AS WELL THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE I GUESS THE REAL CUT OFF ON UTILITIES IS EAST OF CHEWACLA CREEK. AND I GUESS IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF IT.
AND SO THE I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE, I GUESS AS FAR AS THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES OR INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS IN CITY OF AUBURN, WE DO NOT SUBSIDIZE PEOPLE'S INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES FOR DEVELOPMENT.
DEVELOPERS WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY BUILT THE ROADS, THAT IF THERE ARE ANY UPGRADES THAT ARE REQUIRED THAT ARE SIGNIFIED NEEDED IN A TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY HAVE TO DO THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WILL PARTICIPATE IN. THERE'S COST SHARING AND OTHER THINGS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY TO TAKE SOMETHING OFFLINE AND TO BUILD SOMETHING BIGGER, TO TAKE CARE OF AN ENTIRE SEWERSHED THAT IS DIFFERENT. BUT FROM A ROAD STANDPOINT,
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IF THE ROAD NEEDS TO GO FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU PAY FOR. IF THE ROAD NEEDS YOUR DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TURN LANES.AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS DO. SO.
SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION THAT LEADS ME TO THIS QUESTION ABOUT ROADS, STREETS INSIDE THIS THING.
NOW, THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF, THE HOUSES, THE TOWNHOMES, THE TOWNHOMES HAVE ALLEYS.
SO THAT'S PRIVATE. YEAH. AND SO THAT, THAT THAT'S BEEN A THAT'S BEEN A PROMINENT DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WE'VE KIND OF HAD WITH INITIALLY FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, HE WANTED TO MOVE THIS THROUGH FROM A PUD SIDE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF UNLIMITED EXCHANGES SO THEY COULD SUBDIVIDE OFF ALLEYS EVEN CONCEPTUALLY.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO Y'ALL, BUT I'VE, I HAVE FLOATED THIS IDEA INTERNALLY TO STAFF ABOUT HOW THEY FELT ABOUT SUBDIVIDING OFF ALLEYS. IT'S VERY LUKEWARM RESPONSE.
THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT IT. SO EVEN FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW IN THE IF THE EXECUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE ON STAFF SIDE TO EVER FIND SUPPORT FOR THAT AND SO ON. THE QUESTION ABOUT IF THE ROADS WOULD BE PUBLIC OR IF THE QUESTIONS, THE ROADS WOULD BE PRIVATE. SOME OF THE TOWNHOMES, I MEAN, THEY MIGHT SHRINK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, NECESSARY SIDE.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY STILL AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLEYS, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M WHAT I'M COMMUNICATING. THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLEYS. AND SO SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FRONTING OFF OF THINGS AND TAKING REAR ACCESS, WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER PLACES. BUT IT WOULDN'T BE JUST SUBDIVIDING OFF OF ALLEYS.
THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AS A, AS A STAFF YET. WELL, SO WHAT'S THE YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A GOOD EXPLANATION FOR I UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOESN'T SUBSIDIZE SUBSIDIZE DEVELOPERS.
SO WHAT SORT OF YOU KNOW, WITH TO ME, I STILL BELIEVE THIS IS A STRETCH THIS MUCH THIS FAR OUT.
WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IS THAT HAVING TO THE CITY? I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WOULD BE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE PRESS MAP AND WITHIN THE OTHER ONE, WELL, THERE'S ALREADY KIDS. YEAH. SO THAT MASSIVE CHUNK THAT'S ON THE CITY THAT WOULD CONNECT A LOT OF THAT STRETCH OF SAND HILL ROAD AND THAT MIGHT BE THAT MIGHT INCREASE ONE OF THE ROADS THAT THE COUNTY TRIES TO GIVE US WHEN THE COUNTY SETTLES UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A WAYS PAST THAT NOW WITH SOME OF SEVERAL ANNEXATIONS. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT BIG I GUESS THE THERE THERE ARE THERE ARE BIGGER NEIGHBORHOODS COMING FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD TO THE EAST OF THIS. AND THERE ARE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EAST OF THIS AS WELL.
SO, I MEAN, BUT SAND HILL ROAD, I THINK FOR A LOT, I MEAN, IT LOOKS REALLY LONG ON THE MAP, LOOKS EVEN. IT FEELS EVEN LONGER WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE. I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX MILES IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT IT WOULD PUT THIS WESTERN PORTION OF SAND HILL ROAD PROBABLY PREDOMINANTLY IN OUR OWNERSHIP AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND THEN I GUESS THE ADDING OF, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
YEAH. SO THE CALL OUT JUST KIND OF LIKE THE 195 MILLION UNITS ESSENTIALLY IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, FROM THE TOWNHOME UNITS TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AS THEY WOULD HAVE TO RUN MORE BUSSES DOWN THERE.
YEAH. AND FURTHER DOWN. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND TO THE EAST OF SAND HILL TOO.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BIG HIT IS THE COUNTY SAYING IT'S YOURS.
SAND HILL ROAD IS YOURS. YEAH, I GUESS WHAT? WHAT'S THE PORTION OF SAND HILL THAT'S OURS NOW? OUR PORTION CURRENTLY STOPS AT THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY AT THAT BRIDGE.
YEAH. SO THE BRIDGE IS OUT HERE? IT IS NOT. WE.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE BRIDGE? I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE INSPECTED AT THIS POINT.
SO OUR AGREEMENT, OUR INTER GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT AND ALSO STATE LAW, WHEN BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ARE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY CONTINUOUSLY, THEN WE TAKE OVER THAT PORTION.
IT'S PRETTY IT'S PRETTY SAWTOOTH DOWN ON SAND HILL ROAD ABOUT WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S OUT. OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE? YEAH, I GUESS I DID JUST WANT TO SINCE I DIDN'T KIND OF KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW, BUT I GUESS THE 195 UNITS, THERE'S THE, I THINK 73 TOWNHOMES.
BUT SO THERE'S THE TOWNHOMES AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT 31,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL.
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AND I SAID, SO THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE IS RURAL.WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS TO REZONE THE LAND.
AND THEN THERE ARE THE CONDITIONAL USES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND SO THE SO THE CONDITIONAL USES ARE JUST KIND OF WHAT THEY'VE OUTLINED OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORE EVENT SPACE. THEY HAVE A CHURCH LISTED AS WELL.
I THINK THERE'S ALSO A BRIEF MENTION OF A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY IN THEIR PLAN AS WELL.
THAT WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. SO THERE ARE SOME NUANCES TO THE CONDITIONAL USES THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE IF YOU GUYS IF Y'ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PORTION OF THIS, I JUST WANT TO OUTLINE WHAT LD IS.
AND SO THE PERFORMANCE OF IT CONVENTIONAL IS, I THINK, TWO DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE, AND THEN THE PERFORMANCE IS FIVE DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS DENSE THAN DDH, WHICH I KNOW IS WHAT PEOPLE OFTENTIMES COME IN WITH.
AND SO NORMALLY THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM UP TO I THINK IT'S 150,000FT² OR 100,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY'RE ONLY DOING THE 31,000FT². I SAID, THIS IS NOT TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON TRAFFIC.
THIS IS TRYING TO THIS IS TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON A PLACE BEING IN PROXIMITY TO A NATURAL RESOURCE AND DESTINATION THEME, LIKE COMMERCIAL JUST KIND OF IN THIS LOCATION.
YEAH. THE QUESTION THAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF LD YOU KNOW, WHAT IS COMPELLING ABOUT YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THIS GO FORWARD VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE JUST APPROVED, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, RURAL YOU KNOW.
YEAH. AND I GUESS THAT THAT WASN'T SO THIS WASN'T CONTEMPLATED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
AND SO IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT, KIND OF CORRECTIONS. THERE WERE PLACES WHERE THERE WERE BIG INTERSECTION CHANGES WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS SUDDENLY POSSIBLE IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
THIS WASN'T CONTEMPLATED IN THAT I THINK THE POSITION I SAID HAYES HAS JUST KIND OF BEEN ON THE FRINGES, KIND OF WAITING ON THE POD. BUT I GUESS FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT WITH THIS, THE I THINK IT'S RIGHT UNDER THREE.
AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, THEY CAN ACHIEVE FIVE IN THEORY, BUT JUST KIND OF WITH THE FLOODPLAIN AND THEN JUST LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE THING ABOUT THE MAX DENSITY, OFTENTIMES THE WHAT YOU MAY BE AIMING FOR CANNOT BE ACHIEVED IF YOU MAX SOMETHING OUT FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE COMMERCIAL THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
AND THE THE RESIDENTIAL JUST KIND OF COMES IN LESSER.
AND SO I THINK FROM A UTILITY SIDE AND JUST KIND OF EVERYTHING AROUND IT TO SAY ON, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS IS JUST POSSIBLE. I THINK THE ENGINEERS ARE ALWAYS LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS FIND OUT A SOLUTION. IT'S JUST KIND OF Y'ALL'S DECISION IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL THINK THE CITY IS READY FOR FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT. AND LIKE I SAID, STAFF CAN ALWAYS ENGINEER A SOLUTION. IT'S JUST UP TO YOU ALL TO DETERMINE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL THINK WE'RE READY FOR. CAN YOU ROLL BACK TO THE PROXMAP? YEAH. THANKS. SO THAT'S ALL LAID OUT THERE AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
SO SO HERE'S YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REALLY THIS IS REALLY A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK FOR ME.
AND IT'S GOING TO BASICALLY FLY IN THE FACE OF OUR CURRENT LAND USE PLAN.
SO, YOU KNOW THAT'S TO ME THAT'S A MAJOR IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PLAN. WE HAVE THAT PLAN FOR FOR A PURPOSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SUPPORT THIS PROJECT HERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE A GOOD ANSWER TO THAT, BUT THAT'S THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE.
YEAH. I THINK I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT A LOT OF US ASKED FOR WITH THE UPDATE WAS TO FIGURE OUT IF WE HAD PLACES LIKE THIS WHERE THERE WAS INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND, AND THIS ONE WOULD JUST BY WHATEVER MEANS DID NOT, DIDN'T GET IT, DIDN'T DIDN'T SHOW UP.
WHY WAS WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT DECISION? SO WHY THIS WAS OMITTED? YEAH. SO SO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, I GUESS BY THE TIME IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU.
WHERE IT WAS VIRTUALLY DONE. AND I THINK THIS CAME IN TOWARDS THE END OF THAT PROCESS.
AND I AND, AND I THINK I DID PUT IT ON, I WAS LIKE, HEY, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND IT WAS. THIS IS NEW. WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THIS.
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IF THERE'S TO BE A CONSIDERATION ON THIS, THEN THEY CAN ASK FOR A REZONING AND THAT THAT'S FINE.I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S HOW SEVERAL OTHERS ARE HANDLED.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE POSITION. LIKE I SAID, IT WAS KIND OF IT KIND OF CAME IN AT THE VERY END OF IT, AT THE TAIL END OF IT. AND THEN I THINK ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE ERA THAT WE'RE IN IN AUBURN, DEVELOPMENT IS CREEPING OUT TO PLACES THAT WE NEVER THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOW THERE THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS ON SAND HILL ROAD AND SAND HILL ROAD IS A GOOD 30 MINUTES FROM TOWN, JUST KIND OF DEPENDING ON AND THERE ISN'T A GOOD DIRECTION TO GO.
IT'S REALLY LONG AND THERE ARE ONLY YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.
SAME THING WITH SOCIETY HILL AND MOORE'S MILL.
IT WAS GREEN ALL THE WAY IN BETWEEN, FROM CAMDEN RIDGE TO SHUG.
AND THEN NOW, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH GREEN IN BETWEEN THERE ANYMORE. SO I THINK THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE AREA. SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT THIS KIND OF CAME IN ON THE TAIL END OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, WHEN THERE WAS ALREADY A LOT OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OF THE OTHER SITES THAT WERE PUT FORWARD. ARE THERE OTHER PLACES WHERE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY WAS, BUT FROM THE USES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPGRADED, THERE WAS ALREADY A LOT OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS, AND THAT WAS LARGELY DONE WHEN THIS PROJECT CAME FORWARD AND THE POSITION WAS THAT THE PROJECT NEEDED TO JUST KIND OF ASK FOR IT ON, LIKE ON ITS OWN IN A SINGULAR REQUEST SUCH AS THIS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT HAD. OH, GO AHEAD. IF I COULD ADD JUST, JUST A TOUCH ON THAT JUSTICE I MEAN, IN SOME OF THE PLACES WE'VE LOOKED AT AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE AND IT'S PART OF AN EXISTING SEWERSHED WHERE YOU COULD EXTEND THE GRAVITY SEWER AND DRAIN. YOU KNOW, THOSE MADE SENSE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAD ROAD FUTURE ROAD NETWORKS PLANNED, ANTICIPATED.
YOU KNOW, THOSE THOSE AREAS MADE SENSE TO ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, SOME POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE KIND OF INFILLING AREAS. THIS THIS LOOKED MORE LIKE AN EXTENSION OF, OF AN AREA AND REACHING OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO BUILD A NEW LIFT STATION EVEN THOUGH IT'S ADJACENT TO SOME OTHER THINGS. AND THEN IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO A NEIGHBOR TO THIS AND HAVE A SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T GET A LOT OF ODOR COMPLAINTS UNTIL PEOPLE MOVE DOWN NEAR THAT.
SO JUST THAT'S JUST TYPICAL FOR THINGS. BUT, YEAH, YOU KNOW, AFTER LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT AND HAVING A GOOD EXPLANATION BY THE REPRESENTATIVE, I GOT TO BELIEVE THAT HAD THIS COME IN IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TIMING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. YEAH. YOU KNOW ANYWAY, JUST A COMMENT.
THE FIRST ONE IS FROM RULE TO LD. WE'VE DONE THE WHOLE PRESENTATION FOR THE ALL THREE.
MOTION TO APPROVE CASE Z 2025 DASH 012. SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND RULE TO LD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. THANK YOU. THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS NUMBER TWO, PRAIRIE CREEK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY.
YEAH. SO IT'S THE PD. YES. YEAH. SO SAME THING JUST KIND OF THE 195 DWELLING UNITS.
IT'S ON ROUGHLY, I GUESS 6 TO 8, SIX, 8.5 ACRES.
THE INTERSECTION OF MILL CREEK AND SANDHILL ROAD ON THE NEXT ONE.
SO SO I'LL WAIT TILL THE CONDITIONAL USES ACTUALLY KIND OF TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE PDE IS JUST KIND OF WHAT WOULD MAKE THE WHAT WOULD LOCK THEM IN AT THIS NUMBER? THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LIKE YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT'S STILL KIND OF OPEN TO COMMENT AND TO SUBJECT TO CHANGE, JUST KIND OF WHAT THE WHAT GETS IMPLEMENTED FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND ALSO THE PART OF THINKING THROUGH IF ANOTHER ENTRANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED, THEN ALSO PARKING SPACES FOR THE AMENITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
FOR EASE OF ACCESS TO NOT DISTURB THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WILL YOU TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVES OF AN OVERLAY PDE FOR THIS? YEAH. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE TO THE LAYOUT LAYOUT.
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POINT. SO THE BEAUTY OF THE PDS IS THAT IT PROVIDES CERTAINTY OF WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT'D BE A MAJOR AMENDMENT THAT HE'D HAVE TO GET.
SO THIS WILL LOCK HIM IN TO SUBSTANTIALLY THIS SAME MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
YOU CANNOT REDUCE YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NUMBER TO INCREASE YOUR NUMBER OF NON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT ASSURES US OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
IT ALSO GIVES THE DEVELOPER ASSURANCES OF WHAT THEY CAN BUILD AND MOVE FORWARD.
IN THAT WAY THEY CAN ESTABLISH KIND OF THEIR PHASING TENANTS, ETC., AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
PERFECT. THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL OPEN THIS. NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE NEED FOR HICKORY CREEK.
YOU CAN DO IT AFTER. HI. MY NAME IS DUSTIN NORRIS.
MR. PHIL HAD BROUGHT UP THAT OR FROM WHAT I INTERPRETED, JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE.
JUST THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT JUST DIDN'T LINE UP.
THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, SO I ACTUALLY OWN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I'M PURCHASING A LOT FROM CHEWACLA RIDGE SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED.
THE THE LOTS WERE, WERE REQUIRED THREE ACRE MINIMUMS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO ME, THE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT JUST DOESN'T ALIGN WITH SOME OF THAT.
I'VE, YOU KNOW, MAY BE CONSIDERED BIASED CONSIDERING I'M, YOU KNOW, I DO PLAN ON BUILDING A PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, BUT YOU KNOW AUBURN MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL GRAD BEEN HERE BASICALLY MY WHOLE LIFE.
WE DO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS THAT GO INTO DEVELOPING A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE.
AND THEN THE, THE I'LL TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN MONITORING THE PROPERTY THAT I PLAN ON BUILDING MY HOME ON RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THE WHERE THE CREEK BENDS JUST EAST OF THE SOUTHERNMOST THE SOUTHERNMOST DWELLINGS THAT YOU SEE ON THE THE PLAT THERE.
THE PIECE OF PROPERTY I PLAN ON BUILDING ON HAS ABOUT A PROBABLY A 500 FOOT 100 YEAR FLOOD.
ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AFTER I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY I HAD ABOUT FOUR FOOT OF WATER, ABOUT 450FT OF THE PROPERTY. I'LL JUST AGAIN, NO CIVIL ENGINEER.
I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, BUT NO CIVIL ENGINEER BY ANY MEANS.
I'LL JUST SAY I WOULD HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES FLOODING IN GENERAL.
AND YES, WE DO SEE I THINK AT THE LAST HEARING SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS SPOKE ON JUST THE TRAFFIC COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND JUST THE, THE NATURAL WAY THAT THE IT JUST NEXT DOWN IN THAT GENERAL AREA YOU KNOW, AND MR. JUSTICE SPOKE ON OR SOMEONE SPOKE ON THE, THE I THINK SOMEBODY SAID TRESPASSER OR, YOU KNOW, WE SEE FISHERS FISHERMEN PARK ON THE BRIDGE OR ALONGSIDE THE BRIDGE EVERY DAY BEING DOWN AT MY PROPERTY AGAINST THE CREEK.
YEAH. AND AGAIN, THE THOSE AREN'T TRESPASSERS BY ANY MEANS.
CONNECTING CHEWACLA STATE PARK, BUT IT IS GOING TO INVITE A WHOLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW. I THINK NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO THE AREA.
I JUST I THINK AS THE BRIDGE IS POSITIONED AND THE FLOODPLAIN I THINK THE BRIDGE ITSELF FLOODED IN DECEMBER OF 24 OR DECEMBER 23RD. BUT IT DOES FLOOD EVERY, EVERY YEAR.
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EVERY OTHER YEAR MAKES IT IMPASSABLE. ONLY GOING TO CREATE THAT MUCH MORE CONGESTION IN THE AREA ESPECIALLY WITH THE, WITH THE TRAFFIC COUNT. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS INVITING AND AGAIN AND I JUST I GUESS, GENERALLY SPEAKING BASED ON THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING WITH SEVERAL OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS, WE JUST THINK THAT IT'S UNLIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE TO DATE AND AGAIN WITH THE THE FUTURE LAND USE IDEA AND PLAN JUST DOESN'T REALLY ALIGN.SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. TO THAT I.
SINCE WE HAVE APPROVED THE LD, IN MY OPINION, PUTTING THE PD IN PLACE IS A BENEFIT TO THIS PROJECT THAT KEEPS IT NOT JUST FROM GOING AWRY. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND I THINK IF MY POSITION WOULD BE IF YOU WERE GOING TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE REZONING, YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THE PD TO LOCK TO LOCK THE NUMBERS IN.
JUST BECAUSE THE, THE MATH ON IT IS ABOUT FROM A PERFORMANCE DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN'T REALIZE IT, BUT IT'S ABOUT 60.
IT'S IT'S IT'S ABOUT 340, SO. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH.
RIGHT. YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO JUST LET THAT. YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT TO LET THAT OUT THERE THOUGH. COMMISSIONERS MOTIONS QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. SO THERE'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE. SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF INSTITUTIONAL USES THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT NOT BE INCLUDED. CAN YOU SPEAK? ARE WE ON CONDITIONAL USE OR ARE WE ON.
NO, WE'RE I'M LOOKING AT THE PD IN THERE. YEAH, IT'S IN THE PD.
THAT'S THE THING. IT SHOULD BE IN THE NEXT ONE.
OKAY. SHOULD WE WAIT FOR THAT ONE? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
IT'S. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION WAS, IS YEAH. SO. OKAY.
SO, SO SO WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE USES NOW? WELL. I MEAN THEY'RE ON THIS ONE. YEAH. YEAH.
SO OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT. SO. OKAY. SO THERE IS SO THERE'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER DESIGNATION THAT ALLOWS A HOST OF USES UNDERNEATH IT. I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE STAFF REPORT IS TO REMOVE THAT AND THEN GO BACK AND ADD THE EVENT SPACE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROCER. BUT THERE'S ALSO CONCERNS, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY THAT WOULD NOT BE MET BECAUSE THIS WOULD NOT BE ON ARTERIAL AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER.
ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT CENTERS FOR THAT ALSO AREN'T MET.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT Y'ALL CAN CARVE THOSE CAVEATS OUT.
AND SO YOU GUYS CAN IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO. AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING, IF YOU JUST WANT TO LEAVE THEM IN THE OPTION WITH THAT IS THAT THERE WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC WAIVER ASSOCIATED WITH THESE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD THEN HAVE TO. I GUESS YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE IT A CONDITION THAT YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET A WAIVER FOR THESE WHEN HE ACTUALLY CAME TIME TO FILL IT. HE WOULD HAVE TO.
SO SO I MEAN, THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH. SO YOU CAN EITHER LIST THE IT'S THE TAKE OUT THE HOST OF USES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SAME THING FOR THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY OR IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THEY WERE THEY WOULD REQUIRE THE WAIVER ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
IS THAT RIGHT, AMBER? YES. WELL, IT'S NOT JUST THE NURSING HOME.
IT'S FOR ALL THE INSTITUTIONAL USES. YEAH. THERE WE GO.
AND THE MAIN DEVELOPMENT STANDARD IS CAN YOU CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? SORRY. THERE WE GO. THE MAIN SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARD IS THAT THE INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE TO FRONT ON ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR, WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER HAS TO FRONT AN ARTERIAL OR ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR. AND THESE USES CAN BE WITHIN A PDP WITHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER.
SO IF WE TAKE THEM OFF THE PDP. AND PUT THEM UNDER CONDITIONAL USE, OR JUST IF THEY HAD A SCHOOL INTERESTED, THEY JUST NEED TO COME BEFORE US. YEAH. SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
[01:00:04]
RIGHT. OKAY. TAKE THEM ON TO TAKE INSTITUTIONAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER. OKAY.OKAY. SO THEN I GUESS YOU GUYS. SO WHATEVER MOTION YOU MAKE IF YOU GUYS ARE ON MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE THEN IT WOULD BE A MOTION REMOVING THE INSTITUTIONAL USES AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER. OKAY.
BUT IT DOESN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR THOSE IN THE FUTURE.
CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. SHOULDN'T WE REMOVE THOSE FIRST BEFORE WE DO IT IN THE MOTION? RIGHT. YEAH. DO YOU NEED TO MOVE TO GET THE CASE TO THE VOTE FIRST? AND THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REMOVE THOSE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE RZ 20 2516. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A PDP OVERLAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I THINK WE NEED TO AMEND.
WE NEED TO AMEND. YEAH. SO, SO. SO YOU NEED AN AMENDMENT, A MOTION TO TO AMEND.
CASE RZ 2025016. TO REMOVE THE INSTITUTIONAL USES AND NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER USE. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD OVERLAY REMOVING NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTERS AND INSTITUTIONAL USES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I. GREAT. PERFECT. NOW, TO MOVE TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO APPROVE THE PD OVERLAY FOR HICKORY CREEK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN.
OKAY. YOU HAVE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
AND MOVING ON TO THE THIRD AGENDA ITEM DEALING WITH HICKORY CREEK.
WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USE REQUESTS. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE COVERED.
SO IT'S THE INSTITUTIONAL USES THE OFFICE USE COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES.
AND THE COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER USE. AND SO YOU GUYS JUST MOTIONED TO REMOVE ALL THE INSTITUTIONAL USES AND TAKE OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER USE. AND THEN LIKE I SAID. SO YES, THEY CAN COME BACK AND ASK FOR THIS UNDER CONDITIONAL USE AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR IT WITH A WAIVER ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND ALSO, YOU MAY WANT TO ADD BACK IN THE EVENT CENTER AND GROCERY STORE.
RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER.
OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE HE'S STILL BOUND BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF COMMERCIAL.
USE UP ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR ONE STORE.
OKAY. CONDITIONAL USES DO REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL NEED TO MOVE TO APPROVE AND THEN AMEND THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONERS MOVE TO APPROVE KQ 2020 5-046.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MOVE TO AMEND CASE C, U 2025 046 TO REMOVE INSTITUTIONAL USES AND NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER AND ADD IN EVENT CENTER AND GROCERY STORE. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON AN AMENDED MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NOW TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO APPROVE HICKORY CREEK CONDITIONAL USE. MOTION. IS THIS WITH COMMENTS? OH, ALWAYS. ALWAYS, ALWAYS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
MOTION. MOTION'S BEEN MADE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. THAT IS ALL
[01:05:07]
WE HAVE UNDER OLD BUSINESS. CONSENT AGENDA. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.[CONSENT AGENDA]
PACKET MEETING, PACKET MINUTES AND REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.AS WELL AS FINAL PLAT FOR VINTAGE EAST. MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. OH. I'M SORRY. DON'T YOU NEED TO.
YEAH YEAH YEAH, YEAH. THERE WE GO. DO WE NEED TO REMOVE.
TECHNICALLY, YOU NEED TO REMOVE THAT ONE OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY.
YEAH. I NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR VINTAGE EAST FROM CONSENT AGENDA.
I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR. I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF.
YEAH. THERE WE GO. I WENT TOO FAST. I NEED A MOTION TO REMOVE.
SO WE GOT THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOTION TO REMOVE THE CASE UP TO 20 2520.
UNLESS YOU JUST RECUSED FROM ALL OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. NO NO, NO. YEAH. NO NO NO. SO, OKAY, SO PULL VINTAGES OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THEN VOTE ON VINTAGES. AND THEN WE'LL GO GET A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER LOVREN. MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MOTION. MOTION TO REMOVE. I MOVED TO REMOVE CASE FP 2025-021 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. NOW. CONSENT AGENDA. NOW YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THAT ONE FIRST.
AND THEN THEN GO BACK TO CONSENT AGENDA CONSENT.
AND WE CAN INVITE HER BACK. ALL RIGHT. SORRY.
THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE VINTAGE EAST DEVELOPMENT.
[4. Final Plat- The Vintage East]
THIS IS NOT REQUIRED. PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. WE NEED TO, I GUESS YOU. YEAH, WE CAN.WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IF YOU GUYS LIKE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. SO, JOHN. WELL, THAT OLD BUSINESS REALLY TOOK CARE OF.
YEAH. WE'RE READY TO GET OUT OF HERE. YEAH.
OH, WHATEVER. THERE'S NOT MUCH PREPARATION THAT WENT INTO THIS BESIDES MY STAFF REPORT THAT Y'ALL HAVE THIS PRESENTATION THAT IS THIS IS A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL REQUEST FOR A 31 LOT PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
IT IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF UD AND GATE WEST OF GATEWOOD, JUST SOUTH OF THE AUBURN FLATS APARTMENTS AND JUST EAST OF THE EXISTING VINTAGE DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S 31 TOTAL LOTS, WITH 26 OF THOSE BEING TOWNHOMES AND FIVE OF THOSE BEING OPEN SPACE, COMMON AREA LOTS. THE LARGEST OPEN SPACE LOT BEING THIS ONE OVER HERE TO THE EAST.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BUT.
SO WE WENT FROM 30 LOTS IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WE APPROVED IN JULY TO 31 NOW.
YES. OKAY. YEAH. THE ROAD SITUATION GOT RESOLVED OVER TIME. OKAY. HOW? THEY WERE SUBDIVIDING OFF THE PRIVATE ACCESS DRIVE.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S A GREAT CATCH. SO IF THEY WOULD HAVE ADDED, LET'S SAY THEY WOULD HAVE ADDED A RESIDENTIAL LOT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ISSUE. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO SEE A NEW ONE. BUT THIS WOULD, THIS JUST BEING THE OPEN SPACE AND THE, THE ROAD ESSENTIALLY JUST HOW YOU GUYS REMEMBER FROM THE PRIVATE DRIVES, THIS IS HOW WE DO THEM THAT THEY CARVE THEM UP.
WE PREFER THAT THEY, THAT THEY DON'T BE ON THE, THAT THAT THE ROAD IS NOT ON ITS OWN LOT.
OKAY. AND WE DO HAVE THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE TOWNHOMES ON THE LOT. THE TOWNHOME LOT. YES. THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO.
AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT ONE MORE TIME IN DR.. IN THROUGH THE BUILDING PLANS THAT GET SUBMITTED.
SO THAT'LL BE GUARANTEED. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU.
SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[01:10:03]
MISS LEMON BACK. YES. WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO? COME BACK SO WE CAN DO THE CONSENT.CONSENT AGENDA AT THIS MOMENT, NOW JUST CONSISTS OF THE PACKET MEETING MINUTES AND REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF THE AUGUST PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. NEW BUSINESS.
[5. Conditional Use - Centre Comm - PUBLIC HEARING]
MAN. MAN A LOT OF TALKING TONIGHT FOR ME. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE ACTION.EXCUSE ME. GUN CUSTOMIZER TYPE ONE FFL USE. I SAID I HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF DEALINGS WITH FFL REQUESTS AND MY FIRST, I THINK 18 MONTHS OR SO.
PEOPLE, REPRESENTATIVES FOR REALLY BIG BUSINESSES, PEOPLE GOING INTO BUSINESS FOR THEMSELVES.
YOU CANNOT DO THAT. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO HAS A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE, THAT THE GUN GETS SHIPPED TO THEM, AND THEN YOU GO TO THEM AND YOU PICK UP YOUR GUN, THEY TRANSFER YOUR GUN TO YOU.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR.
SO I GUESS JUST KIND OF HOW FFLS WORK. I GUESS PEOPLE I ASK THE APPLICANTS HERE, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT WHAT HAPPENS ON MY END IS I GET A CALL FROM THE ATF.
THEY SAY, HEY, I GOT AN APPLICATION FOR A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE.
DOES THE ZONING ALLOW FOR THIS PERSON TO DO THAT? AND SO TYPE ONE IS CRITICAL HERE BECAUSE THERE'S TYPE SEVEN THAT ALLOWS GUN MANUFACTURING.
AND AS FAR AS THE LAW IS CONCERNED, THE GUN PART OF THE GUN IS THE LOWER.
IF YOU ARE ASSEMBLING THE LOWER, IT IS GUN MANUFACTURING.
GUN MANUFACTURING KICKS THIS TO A PLACE WHERE IT HAS TO LOCATE AN INDUSTRIAL.
IT CANNOT LOCATE IN CTD. IT CANNOT LOCATE IN THE COMMERCIAL SUPPORT AREAS.
IT MUST LOCATE IN AN AND ANYWHERE WHERE INDUSTRIAL IS, WHICH WOULD THEN BE A CONDITIONAL USE, ETC.. SO TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT, TALKING WITH ATF, DOWNGRADING THIS TO A TYPE ONE FFL, THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION IN 1937 WHATLEY ROAD.
THIS IS A SPACE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE PROXMAP.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF USES OVER THERE. I MEAN, WE'VE APPROVED CAR WASH PLACES.
THERE'S AUTOMOTIVE TINTING. THERE'S ALSO BARBERSHOPS.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS OVER THERE.
SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF FITS IN JUST KIND OF FROM A GUN CUSTOMIZATION STANDPOINT.
BUT LIKE I SAID THIS, WHAT TRIGGERS THIS IS THE ATF CALLS ME ASK IF THE ZONING IS ALLOWED.
AND THEN WE KIND OF WORK THROUGH IF A CONDITIONAL USE IS ALLOWED OR IF THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO IT AT ALL, KIND OF DEAL. BUT THEN ALSO I GUESS THE ALL OTHER USES.
SO IF IT IS NOT EXPLICITLY LISTED IN THE USE TABLE IT IS OR I GUESS IF IT THEN IT'S NOT ALLOWED OR IT GETS KICKED TO ALL OTHER USES. SO WHEN WE DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS LISTED RIGHT, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A P OR C BY IT, THEN IT'S NOT ALLOWED AT ALL. SO LIKE WHEN YOU GUYS LOOK AT NC, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS ANYTHING IN IT IS SINGLE, DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT CONSIDERED. THEY'RE NOT CONDITIONAL. THEY'RE NOT ALL OTHER USES. THIS ISN'T CONTEMPLATED AT ALL FROM A USE STANDPOINT. AND SO THOSE USES THAT ARE NOT LISTED, THOSE GET KICKED TO ALL OTHER USES.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING. IT IS A TYPE ONE FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE, GUN CUSTOMIZATION, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT AND KIND OF ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. THIS ISN'T A TYPE ONE FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE ALSO ALLOW YOU TO SELL GUNS? YES. YES. YEAH. THIS DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AUSTIN BRIDGES. START TALKING WITH JUSTICE EARLIER THIS YEAR.
IT'S NOT A NEW BUSINESS. I HAD BEEN IN BUSINESS PROBABLY THREE YEARS NOW.
I WAS IN OPELIKA IN AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WHERE I CARRIED A TYPE SEVEN FFL.
AND THEN AFTER DISCUSSING AND ALL THAT, I HAD TO RENEW IT.
[01:15:03]
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN APRIL. AND I'D ALREADY KIND OF GONE INTO THE CHANGE OF BUSINESS LOCATION THING TO AUBURN AND TRYING TO FIND LOCATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.I LET MY LICENSE LAP BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO HOPEFULLY GET THIS SQUARED AWAY.
AND THIS KIND OF RAN INTO THE TYPE ONE VERSUS TYPE SEVEN STUFF.
SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WHAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL INTENT TO THIS IS THE THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE AFTER CALLING BACK AFTER HEARING SORRY.
BUT YEAH, SO MY ORIGINAL INTENTIONS I BUILT CUSTOMIZED ORDER STUFF ONLINE.
IT WAS PRETTY SMALL SCALE. I DON'T KEEP INVENTORY ON HAND.
I DON'T HAVE A REALLY A RETAIL SPOT. NOBODY EVER SHOWS UP.
MY, MY, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE LICENSE, EVERYTHING.
MY ADDRESS IS ONLINE, SO IF YOU ORDER A FIREARM ONLINE, I POP UP AS AN FFL.
YOU CAN CHOOSE IT. I GET CONTACTED I GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU.
WHEN YOUR FIREARM SHOWS UP, YOU COME PICK IT UP, RUN ALL THE BACKGROUND CHECKS AND ALL THAT, AND THEN YOU TAKE IT HOME LIKE EVERY OTHER GUN STORE.
BUT I DO A LOT OF DUCK HUNTING DOWN SOUTH LOUISIANA.
I GOT INTO THE CUSTOMIZING SIDE DOING CERAKOTE AND OTHER PAINTS LIKE THAT.
TO CUSTOMIZE SOME STUFF. THAT'S WHAT I'VE KIND OF GOTTEN INTO LATELY.
BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT JUSTIN WAS SAYING, ATF CONSIDERS THE LOWER PIECE OF THE PISTOL OR ANYTHING STYLE GUN. THAT IS WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT. THAT'S WHERE IT'S SERIALIZED.
THAT'S WHAT THEY REALLY REALLY CARE ABOUT. SO THAT'S WHAT IS NEEDED FOR WHEN TRANSFERRING STUFF.
BUT ANYTHING UNDER SAY SPECIFICALLY FOR AN AR, ANYTHING BELOW 16 INCH BARREL IS CONSIDERED A PISTOL.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THERE'S DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS FOR THAT THAT CAN BUY AND PURCHASE IT.
YOUR LICENSE, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE STATE TO PURCHASE THE PISTOL THAT YOUR LICENSE IS.
IT'S DIFFERENT THAN LONG GUN SHOTGUNS AND STUFF ABOVE 16IN.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME STATE ID THAT YOU PURCHASE IT IN.
YOU COULD BE 18. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 21. STUFF LIKE THAT.
KIND OF RAMBLING NOW. BUT IF YOU CHANGE A FIREARM FROM A RIFLE TO A PISTOL THAT IS CONSIDERED MANUFACTURING AND IT GOES INTO THE CUSTOMIZATION SIDE OF STUFF. SO IF I BUY ALL THESE DIFFERENT PARTS AND PUT THEM TOGETHER AND PUT MY COMPANY NAME AND LOGO AND SERIALIZE IT MYSELF, THAT'S MANUFACTURING. I DON'T HAVE BIG CNC MACHINES MILLING OUT LOWERS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
IT'S JUST ASSEMBLING. BUT GOING BACK TO THAT WASN'T A HUGE PART OF MY BUSINESS.
IT'S JUST SOME PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT AFTER SPEAKING WITH JUSTICE, INSTEAD OF THAT BEING A TYPE SEVEN TO A TYPE ONE, WE CAN REDO SOME OF MY BUSINESS MODELS AND JUST MATCH WHAT IS NEEDED TO CONTINUE FOR THAT.
SO. THANK YOU. PLEASE SIGN IN WHEN YOU CAN. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CENTER COMM? SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I'LL JUST MOVE TO APPROVE.
SEE YOU. 2025 027 CENTER COMM. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
[6. Conditional Use - Pyongsan America INC - PUBLIC HEARING]
WELCOME. OKAY. SO THIS ITEM IS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR AN INDUSTRIAL USE.AN AUTOMOTIVE MANUFACTURING FACILITY IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 760 WEST VETERANS BOULEVARD IN THE AUBURN TECHNOLOGY PARK NORTH.
THIS 24,000FT² EXPANSION IS OVER THAT 90,000FT².
WHICH IS WHY CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL IS REQUIRED.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM ABOUT THIS ITEM.
WAS THERE THE IDEA OF THE EXPANSION TO BEGIN WITH? LIKE DID THEY THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN? I BELIEVE SO.
SO THE LOT, THE SETBACKS, ALL THE SPACE IS THERE AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT BRT.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR AN EXPANSION OF AN INDUSTRIAL USE.
[01:20:05]
SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS MOVE TO APPROVE SIU 2025047.SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. EXCITED ABOUT THE EXPANDING BUSINESSES? THAT'S POSITIVE. ALL RIGHT, SO OUR LAST ITEM TONIGHT IS
[7. Conditional Use - 406 North Donahue - PUBLIC HEARING]
SORRY ON IT. SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE.THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED SITE IS 406 NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE.
KIND OF JUST NORTH OF THE AUBURN RECYCLING CENTER.
KIND OF IN THAT AREA. AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WEST.
SO KIND OF TAKING JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROXIMATE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THE WHOLE SURROUNDING AREA ON ALL SIDES IS CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WEST. KIND OF JUST THE SURROUNDING MAKEUP USES OF THOSE AREAS.
IS SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON AS WELL AS THE RECYCLING PLANT.
THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF A FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE OF MIXED USE TWO KIND OF JUST WANTING MORE HIGH USE DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL TYPES AS DEEMED NECESSARY BY THE 2018 PLAN AS WELL. SO THIS IS CURRENTLY LOOKING AT A SITE PLAN OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THE CURRENT LOT HAS BEEN DEMOED BACK IN LATE 2024, SO IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
THE PROPOSED PARKING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS 43 SPACES.
THAT WAS JUST THE MEASUREMENT GIVEN BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS OF BEDS, WHICH IS 32.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE A ELEVATION RENDERING. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE EAST VIEW.
SO THIS IS NOT THE VIEW FROM AFFRONTING NORTH DONAHUE.
IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH THIS IS FROM THE PARKING LOT.
SO IF YOU WERE TO GO INTO THE UNITS THEMSELVES, THIS IS THE FACADE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
SO THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST. BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF COMMENTS.
RIGHT. AND WE HAVE THOSE COMMENTS FOR THE DR.
PROCESS KIND OF JUST LAID HER DOWN THAT LINE.
THIS IS STRICTLY LOOKING AT CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL JUST OF THE MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
WE'LL CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE SPECIFICS IN DR..
SO I DID INCLUDE THOSE. SO MUDDY IS CONDITIONAL IN CRD W OKAY.
YES OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY BEFORE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING? JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY.
CORRECT? THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL. YEAH. CORRECT.
OR THEY CAN BE COMBINED INTO THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST KIND OF ON ON SOME OF THIS, THIS WAS VERY HAD A LOT OF FORETHOUGHT INTO IT.
AND I GUESS JUST KIND OF RIGHT NOW COMMERCIAL REALLY HASN'T EXPANDED THAT FAR UP.
DONAHUE JUST JUST KIND OF IN THAT, IN THAT SECTION, IT'S STILL PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.
OKAY. OKAY. THIS DOES CONDITIONAL USE DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
EVENING. LEE THARP, CADRE ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, STUCK IT OUT THIS LONG.
I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SIGN IN ON THE BOOK.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF PLANNING ON LOOKING FACING DONAHUE ON THAT SIX UNIT PIECE.
SO I'M GOING TO SCREEN THE PARKING LOT WITH THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM THE STREET, WHICH IS GOING TO BLOCK THE MAJORITY OF ANY OF THE PAVEMENT TRYING TO CLEAN THAT LOOK UP THERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE FACING THE NEW BOYKIN CENTER.
SO PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE NICE BIG SIDEWALK THAT'S GOING OUT FRONT, TOO.
SO WE THINK IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS THE STREET REALLY NICE.
BUT JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE?
[01:25:02]
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL CLOSE THAT NOW. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR MOTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE CASE CU 2020 5-048. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
ANY COMMENTS FROM OUR LEADER? MAN. MAN. EXCITING TIME TO BE IN AUBURN.
[STAFF COMMUNICATION]
I THINK WE THERE, I GUESS TO THE TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE EARLIER AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING, JUST KIND OF IN CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. HE ALSO SPOKE AT HE ALSO SPOKE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NORTH OF PEAR TREE ROAD, A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT I THINK IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, ABOUT 750 ACRES. POSSIBILITY OF 750 LOTS. WAY OUT NORTH OF PEAR TREE.
SO WE'LL ONCE WE PLANT AND. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO, I GUESS ON A MAP, IT IS FIRMLY OUTSIDE OF THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY. HAS NO MEANS TO ANNEX WHATSOEVER. NO CONTIGUITY AT ALL.
BUT IS WITHIN OUR PLANNING JURISDICTION A LOT OF JURISDICTIONAL JUST KIND OF JEOPARDY THERE.
JUST KIND OF WORK WITH THE COUNTY. SO WE WILL GET WITH YOU ALL.
BUT, YEAH, I GUESS JUST WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THEY'RE, I THINK WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOSTING A CHARRETTE OUT GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
YES. AND SO I GUESS JUST KIND OF OUT IN, LET'S SAY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T ANNEX OR ANYTHING AND THEY JUST WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING. WE DO REVIEW PLATS AND THE PLANNING JURISDICTION THAT AREN'T IN THE CITY.
I THINK THE LAST ONE THAT CAME TO YOU ALL WAS HINES HALL WAY UP ON 188, AND THAT WAS FOR AN EIGHT EIGHT, AND IT WAS LIKE EIGHT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IS WHAT IT WAS.
THEY THEY DO NOT GO TO COUNCIL. THERE ARE NO ASK WITH THEM.
AND SO YEAH THAT IS CORRECT. I, I QUESTION THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T IF IT COMES BEFORE US WE HAVE AN OPTION RIGHT. WELL NO. YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH.
SO WE HAVE AN OPTION BUT NO DISCUSSION ON THIS.
THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE, JUST IN CASE THEY EVER WANT TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, THAT THEY MEET OUR SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS. YEP.
SO JUST SO WE HAVE A MAP. YEAH. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MOTION TO ADJOURN? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.