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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I WILL CALL THE BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT REGULAR MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025 TO
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ORDER AT 4:30 P.M. >> WILL FAULKNER?
>> MARTY HEFFREN >> ELIZABETH STRANE? DAN BARRY
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET AN APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE
LAST MEETING? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT
THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.
[CHAIRMAN’S OPENING REMARKS]
>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL START WITH MY OPENING REMARKS. CHAIRMAN'S COMMUNICATION. ANY PERSONS AGREED BY ANY DECISION OF THE BOARD MADE WITHIN 15 DAYS AFTER SUCH A DECISION APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT HAVING JURISDICTION ACCORDING TO SECTION 908.02 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF AUBURN, ALABAMA. THE BOARD CONSISTS OF FIVE REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO SUPERNUMERARY'S. THE SUPERNUMERARY'S PARTICIPATE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, BUT ONLY VOTE WHEN NECESSARY TO USHER FOUR VOTING MEMBERS AND HAVE A BOARD CONSISTING OF FIVE MEMBERS WHEN POSSIBLE. OUR DECISIONS ARE MADE WITH THE ROLLCALL VOTE AND THE CONCURRENT VOTE OF FOUR MEMBERS IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE AN APPLICATION FOR A VARIANCE. OUR REGULAR MEMBERS IS SUPERNUMERARY'S IN ATTENDANCE CAN PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION, BUT ONLY REGULAR MEMBERS CAN VOTE UNLESS ARE CALLED UPON BY THE CHAIR TO VOTE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL START WITH
[1. Section 502.02A Performance Residential Development Standards state that the building setback from the rear property line must be 20 feet, of the City of Auburn Zoning Ordinance ]
OUR FIRST BUSINESS OF ORDER FOR TODAY.>> SO THE FIRST ITEM IS A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK OR A 20 FOOT SETBACK AS REQUIRED. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO SECTION 50202A OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SPECIFICALLY SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED THE DWELLING UNITS WHERE THE STATES -- LET'S BE SETBACK 20 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 622 CALYPSO CIRCLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING AND ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE OF 13 FEET TO THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT REAR SETBACK. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A SCREEN PORCH THAT 12 BY 20 FEET, WHICH WOULD CREATE A SETBACK OF SEVEN FEET ON THE PROPERTY. THIS IS BECAUSE THE HOME IS SEEMINGLY ONLY BUILT 19 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING JUST 12 FOOT VARIANCE, IT IS A 13 FOOT VARIANCE REQUIRING A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK. THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM THEIR ATRIAL WAY, AND THEIR ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE TOOK UP BUILD A, WHICH IS -- BUILDING PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THE HARDSHIP THAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IS THAT THE WEATHER CAUSES IT'S EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS AND IT CAUSES THE DOOR TO ROT AND THE BOTTOM OF THE DOOR TO RUST. IT IS FACING WEST OF THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS FACING WEST, SO THE ELEMENTS ARE A FACTOR. THEY, GRANTING THE VARIANCE, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE TO PROTECT THEIR HOME FROM, FROM THE EROSION FROM WEATHER. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, AND I BELIEVE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GIVE COMMENT ON IT WHEN ASKED, AND WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS?
>> COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING THIS?
>> OH. YES. YES. SO I ASKED JUST ONE OF, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, REACHED OUT, AND JUST MORE FOR CLARITY, SINCE I SAW THE SIGN .
DIDN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST. THEY JUST WANTED TO
KNOW WHAT THE SIGN WAS ABOUT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY BEHIND THE HOUSE? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? SEE THE HOUSE DIRECTLY BEHIND IT. WHAT ABOUT THOSE? HAVE THEY TALKED TO ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS?
>> I GUESS THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE NOT COME OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE'VE NOT
RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATION. >> OKAY.
>> YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I JUST CAN'T SEE -- THIS IS
A DUPLEX OR A HOUSE. -- >> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE
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QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNER. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? AND IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, PLEASE STEP UP AND YOU CAN SIGN IN. OKAY. COME ON TO THE STADIUM, TO THE PODIUM. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
FOOTBALL >> TOUGH TIMES RIGHT NOW, BUT
>> DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THIS?
>> HE PRETTY MUCH SUMMED IT UP. I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING -- OBVIOUSLY IT'S FOR, FOR OUR ENJOYMENT MORE THAN ANYTHING, AESTHETICALLY -- WE THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A NICE SCREENED IN PORCH ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE. THE NEIGHBORS ON EACH SIDE OF US HAVE PORTRAYS, AND -- WE DO WANT TO SCREEN IT IN, MOSQUITOES, FLIES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND JUST FOR PROTECTION FOR THE BACKSIDE OF OUR HOUSE, BECAUSE THAT DOOR DOES NEED REPLACING. IT'S RESTING AT THE BOTTOM. THE DOOR CASING ITSELF IS ROTTING. AND SO JUST PRESERVATION OF, OF OUR HOUSE AND PROPERTY ALSO. SO, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSIDERATION, LETTING US, ALLOWING US TO DO THIS. NOBODY, ALL OUR NEIGHBORS THINK, OBVIOUSLY GOOD WITH IT IN OUR ATRIAL WAY -- JUST, JUST
NEED TO GET THE VARIANCE IN >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO HAVE YOU, UNDERSTANDING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE WEATHER IS DOING TO THE DOOR, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE THAT COULD ALSO HAVE TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR HOME?
>> WELL, THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION OTHER THAN PUTTING SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF COVER OVER IT. OTHERWISE IT'S JUST GOING
TO BE EXPOSED. >> SO YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, TO YOUR LEFT IF YOU'RE FACING YOUR HOUSE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR, THEIR STRUCTURE GOES RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
DO THEY HAVE A PORCH ON THEIR HOUSE?
>> NORTH AND SOUTH, YES. THEY DO.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE --
>> THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME TOO. >> IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE
LINE. >> THEY'VE GOT A, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH GOT A VARIANCE. YEAH. SO, SO, SO I GUESS KIND OF -- I WILL, SO, SO YEAH. I GUESS IF YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS, I'LL LET THE HEARING FINISH, AND THEN WE CAN TALK MORE JUST KIND OF ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF.
>> YOU'VE TALKED TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS AROUND YOU, THE FOUR NEIGHBORS AROUND YOU, IN THE HOA, THEY'RE GOOD WITH IT AS
WELL? OKAY. >> WHAT IS THERE NOW? ANYTHING?
>> THERE IS A LITTLE -- >> HAVE YOU CONSIDERED AT ALL -- ANY SMALLER, JUST SO IT WON'T -- THEY HAVE THE COVER BY NAME.
JUST KIDDING. ANYTHING , A SMALLER STRUCTURE, BY ANY CHANCE, THAT WOULD HELP OFFSET THAT? DO YOU REALLY, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, THE WIDTH OF IT, I DON'T THINK, IS THE ISSUE, WITH THE 20 FEET ACROSS. BUT I THINK THE, THE DEPTH OF IT IS KIND OF WHERE THE, SOME OF THE -- I MEAN, YOU'D NEED A VARIANCE
>> CLEARLY, IT'S THAT 19 FEET. BUT YOU KNOW, I ALSO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, QUITE ENJOYMENT OF THE HOUSE, AND, AND I TOO HAVE A DOOR THAT LIKES TO ROT AND THAT'S EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENT, SO I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. DID YOU GET ANY THOUGHT AT ALL ABOUT POSSIBLY A SMALLER STRUCTURE?
>> I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD -- TWO FEET --
>> YEAH. >> THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION. I DON'T HAVE
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN WE WOULD TURN IT OVER TO HEAR MORE ABOUT --
>> YEAH, SO, SO THIS IS JUST PERFORMANCE, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. REALLY, REALLY SMALL LOTS. I THINK THIS KIND OF SMALLER THAN 7500 SQUARE FEET. REALLY, AND I MEAN, WE KIND OF, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SETBACKS, SOME OF THESE ARE REALLY TIGHT -- IF IT'S OUTDOOR SPACE THAT THEY WANT, THAT THEY WANT TO RE-CREATE IN, THEY COULD, THEY COULD PUT A DETACHED STRUCTURE ENCROACH INTO THAT WOULD BE THE VARIANCE -- BE FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE BY SWITCHING EVEN BE CLOSER THEM,
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LIKE, THE SEVEN FEET THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO THE REAL THING HERE IS JUST A B IN CASH AND I THINK ALSO JUST MUCH MORE OF LIKE A DESIGN FUNCTION OF THE OF THE HOUSE. I GUESS I USED TO LIVE ON ANDERS, WHICH I GUESS IS ACROSS THE UD FROM HERE. SAME THING. I THINK A LOT OF, LIKE, 7000 SQUARE FEET, REALLY, REALLY SMALL. BUT PATIO SPACE, I GUESS, WAS THE OUTDOOR -- IN REALITY, IT LOOKED LIKE THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS CARVED OUT BUT WAS ACTUALLY OUTDOOR SPACE. IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF A FUNCTION OF DESIGN FOR THE HOUSE. I KNOW WE GET THESE REQUESTS A LOT, AND SO WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO ATTACH THINGS TO THE HOUSE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THEY RUN INTO SETBACK ISSUES.THEN THEY MUST CONFORM TO THE PRIMARY SETBACK ACCESSORY STRUCTURES HAVE MORE RELIEF, IT CAN GO UP TO FIVE FEET. SO IF THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT A GAZEBO, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE A BIT DIFFICULT, BECAUSE I GUESS FROM THE FENCING, EVERYTHING, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUY THE MATERIALS AND ACTUALLY TAKEN INTO THE BACKYARD AND CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN JUST KIND OF SET IT DOWN. SO I THINK ALSO JUST KIND OF FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE OPTIONS HERE. IF THEY WERE TO ENJOY THE DESIRE WAS TO ENJOY AND RE-CREATE OUTSIDE, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. LIKE A PERMANENT STRUCTURE LIKE THAT IS ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. I GUESS MAYBE SOMETHING. I'M NOT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL -- -- THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM,
ATTACHING IT TO THE STRUCTURE. >> HOW CLOSE CAN IT BE TO THE HOUSE BEFORE IT'S CONSIDERED NOT ATTACHED? LIKE AN INCH?
>> SO, SO I GUESS THERE ARE, SO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE ALSO REGULATED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SO THERE IS, LIKE, REQUIRED DISTANCE. I THINK IT'S, LIKE, ANOTHER 10 FEET BEHIND THE HOUSE, FIVE FEET. -- JUST KIND OF ADHERING TO -- THEY'RE ABLE TO ENCROACH MORE ON SETBACKS -- -- THE WEATHER DETERIORATION.
WHEN THEY COULDN'T -- OF YOUR DOOR.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT'S IN THE NORTH, VARIANCE?
>> -- >> NO, NO REAL -- I GUESS THIS IS, THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE OF THE FORMER BZA CHAIR. SEVERAL BZA CHAIRS AGO. NOT, NOT FROST. BUT HIS, EVEN IN A RECENT PREOP, HE IS VERY COMMITTED TO SEEING THE GRAY, AND FINDING A SOLUTION. THIS IS HIS OPINION OF THE RULES. SO I THINK, IN ALL OF THE PAST BZA, ALL OF THE PAST VARIANCES THAT WERE GRANTED, THAT'S KIND OF HIS, THAT'S HIS LENS ON IT. THAT IS HIS LENS. HE SAID THAT AT THE DAIS. IF YOU ASKED HIM ABOUT IT, THAT'S WHAT HE'LL SAY. I DON'T THE TALKING OUT OF TURN OR ANYTHING. SO I THINK ON THE VARIANCES, STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WOULD NOT BE A HARD TRIP. YOU REALLY JUST HAVE THE DECISION OF, YOU CAN'T ATTACH IT, YOU CANNOT ATTACH IT. IF YOU DO ATTACH IT, THAT IT REQUIRES VARIANCE. BUT REALLY JUST KIND OF FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU -- PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION LIKE THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW. SMALLER LOTS. YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO DO THIS. AND, LIKE I SAID, IN THE PAST, THE BZA WAS A LITTLE MORE PERMISSIVE ON SOME THINGS, AND THEY PROBABLY SHOULD'VE BEEN. BUT.
>> AND WE WERE SCOUTED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. SOMEONE WANTING TO -- OH, I'M SORRY. I CLOSED THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? ANYONE WANT TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE A VARIANCE, BZ 202-5008
>> MARTY HEFFREN? 29 >> THE PAST.
[2. Section 511.03 (J), Accessory Use Limitations requires the total floor area of all accessory structures be limited to fifty (50) percent of the floor area of the principal structure, in the City of Auburn Zoning Ordinance ]
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT, SO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS BZA 2025 010.
>> WE CAN SEE. >> OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY. SO OUR NEXT CASE IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW A VARIANCE TO THE ALLOWED MAXIMUM 50% TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO BE OVER THE 50% OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE'S AREA. MOST COMMONLY KNOWN AS SECTION 511.0 3J IN THE CITY OF AUBURN ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS LOCATED AT 732 MERCER CIRCLE, AND IS LOCATED IN THE CORNER REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EAST. SO KIND OF LOOKING AT THE PROX MAP HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON MERCER CIRCLE, WHICH IS OFF AND NORTH
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OF DEAN ROAD , RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE THE KROGER IS. SO IF Y'ALL EVER SHOPPED THERE, I'M SURE Y'ALL WALK ON BY THERE. THIS IS KIND OF JUST THE GENERAL LOCATION OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS. THIS IS A SURVEY OF THE SUBJECT HOUSE. I INCLUDED IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME FLORIO CALCULATIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC CALCULATIONS ON.THAT'S WHY I WASN'T INCLUDING IT IN THE VARIANCE REQUEST. BUT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED US A SURVEY. I THANK THEM VERY MUCH FOR COOPERATING ON THAT. WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS A WOODWORKING GARAGE THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD. THEY'RE REQUESTING, THE APPLICATION IS LOOKING AT BUILDING AROUND 960 SQUARE FEET FURTHER GARAGE. IT'S JUST A HOBBY THAT THE APPLICANT LOVES DOING, AND THEY WANT TO BUILD A GARAGE ACCORDINGLY TO CONTINUE THEIR HOBBY. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THERE IS ALSO A SHED. THAT'S WHY I'M INCLUDING THE SURVEY RIGHT HERE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PROVIDED.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT STATED THAT THE SHED WILL BE REMOVED OR IS GOING TO BE STILL THERE AFTER THE PROPOSED SITE, BUT THE SHED ITSELF, OR THE NEW GARAGE, IS GOING TO BE LOCATED ABOUT RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THE SHED, WHICH IS ABOUT LESS THAN FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE CURRENT SHED, SO WE DO HAVE ANOTHER STIPULATION ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT SAYS NO ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CAN BE NEXT TO ANOTHER ONE THAT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET AWAY OR 10 FEET FROM THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AS WELL.
THAT'S JUST MISCELLANEOUS RIGHT THERE. BUT PRETTY MUCH THE DISCUSSION AROUND THIS PROPERTY IS THE APPLICANT WANTS TO BUILD 960 SQUARE FOOT SHED, WHICH IS, THIS IS WHAT THE RENDERINGS OF IT. YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOT TWO GARAGE DOORS, IT'S GOT A SECOND FLOOR. I KNOW, I THINK THE FLOOR PLAN SAYS, THE FIRST FLOOR IS GOING TO BE A GARAGE, AS WELL AS OFFICE STORAGE AND A BATH ON THE SECOND FLOOR THEIR CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE -- WHICH ALLOWS ABOUT, LET'S SAY 623 SQUARE FEET OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO BE BUILT OTHER OPTIONS TO BUILD SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. THEY CAN GET ABOUT 600 IF THEY'RE WANTING 960 ALREADY.
AND SINCE THIS APPLICANT IS ZONED C RDE, WHICH DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER LOT SIZES, AND IT IS IN A MORE, LITTLE BIT OF AN URBAN AREA, WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE THESE LARGER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES PERMITTED BECAUSE OF THE SMALL LOT SIZE.
IT'S NOT REALLY SO MUCH ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE SMALL LOT SIZE AND DENSITY AND THE CLOSEST TO DOWNTOWN. SO. AND WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE, SO.
>> WE DID NOT HAVE A SITE PLAN, CORRECT?
>> WE DO. IT IS RIGHT HERE. IT WAS A SURVEY, BUT IT'S AN AS BUILT SURVEY SITE PLAN. THE APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS
ABOUT 1264 SQUARE FEET. >> OKAY.
>> THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW STRUCTURE, SORRY, STILL MEET
IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENTS? >> THAT WOULD GO INTO THE BUILDING PERMIT. THAT WAS NOT LOOKED AT. THIS WAS SOLELY JUST THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CASE FOR THIS VARIANCE.
>> SO I HAVE JUST A MATHEMATICAL QUESTION TO MAKE THIS EASY. SO WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS, I GOT LOST IN ALL THE DIFFERENT ASSESSORS. IT WAS A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT WAS SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WHAT WAS ASSISTS VIA TEXAS. MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS WAY. SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR PRIMARY PROPERTY HAS A TOTAL FLOOR SPACE OF X NUMBER. AND THE RULE IS, ANY OF THE COMBINED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CAN'T EQUAL GREATER THAN 50% OF THAT NUMBER. SO WHERE ARE WE ON THE NUMBERS?
>> THE NUMBERS? >> YEAH, I COULDN'T QUITE SEE IT VERY CLEARLY, ARTICULATED INSIDE THE APPLICATION AND I MISSING SOMETHING? SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST SEE WHAT IS THE NUMBER WE ARE AT WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN RELATION TO THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOT OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> SO ORIGINALLY, THE APPLICANT PUT IN THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE AT 1100 SQUARE FEET. NOW, THERE HAS BEEN SOME ADDITIONS SINCE THEN, INCLUDING A SCREENED PORCH, AS WELL AS A WASHING AREA. SHE WAS, THE APPLICANT WAS, AGAIN, I THANK HER FOR DOING THIS, PROVIDED A NEW SURVEY WHEN SHE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION. I THINK THAT HELPED A LOT. WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE UP TO 1246 SQUARE FEET. NOW, THE SITE PLAN ITSELF SAYS 1613 SQUARE FEET RIGHT HERE. I TALKED WITH THE SURVEYOR TODAY, AND WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE SURVEY, THEY HAD THE SCREENED PORCH AS PART OF THE HEATED FLOOR AREA, BUT TAKING
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THAT OUT , WHICH IT WOULDN'T GO INTO THE FLOOR AREA CALCULATION ANYWAY, IT'S JUST A PORCH, IT BRINGS IT BACK DOWN TO 1246>> IT'S LIKE 620. >> RIGHT. AND SO THE VARIANCE WOULD BE ABOUT 337 SQUARE FEET TO ALLOW FOR THAT 960 GARAGE SQUARE FEET, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT INCLUDING THE SHED THAT'S ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY.
>> I THINK TO THEIR POINT, THEY WERE SAYING IF THIS WAS A ONE-STORY BUILDING AND NOT A TWO-STORY BUILDING, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
>> IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULD, YEAH -- 300 SQUARE FEET AS OPPOSED TO -- BECAUSE IT SAYS 1090 -- OKAY. DOES IT CHANGE IF I JUST DO IN ADDITION TO THEIR HOUSE? LIKE, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, JUST BUILD THE ADDITION? WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS ON THIS LOT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SETBACKS OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD
ARE IN C RDE. >> SEPARATE STRUCTURE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET PRETTY CLOSE TO THIS BACK TO 10, 10 FEET.
>> YEAH, THAT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK INTO WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT. WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE ADDING THE STRUCTURE ON THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, BUT THEY WANTED TO GO IN THE BACKYARD -- I GET THAT. -- ISR, SAR, SETBACKS ON THE
BACK. >> IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T SEE A KITCHEN, BUT I SEE I THINK THAT IS A SLIGHT CAUSE FOR CONCERN. I'M NOT -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MAYBE THE NEXT
-- WOULD DO -- >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FOR THE
PLANNING COMMITTEE? >> DO WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS ON
THIS? >> I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY SPECIFICALLY. I DON'T KNOW IF JUSTICE HAS HEARD ANY COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING THIS CASE.
>> YEAH. SO I, I HAVEN'T, AND I, I GUESS TO KIND OF GET BACK TO, TO YOUR QUESTION, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WOULD BE LARGER THAN THE HOUSE. I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S THE THING, LIKE -- SO ON THE GROUND FLOOR, IT'S 785, BUT IT'S MULTIPLIED BY TWO, SINCE IT'S A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE. I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF ALSO A, A PART OF IT. JUST GOT KIND OF, PART OF THE DISCUSSION. BUT I GUESS IT CAN JUST KIND OF -- WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR CHRIS, AND THEN PUBLIC HEARING, AND I CAN KIND OF FILL IN SOME MORE CONTEXT OR STUFF.
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO ARE YOU TALKING DOING THE
PLANNING, AND CLOSING THE -- >> KNOW. I WOULD JUST SAY GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SO I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, APPLICANT, FEEL FREE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED IN, MAKE SURE YOU SIGN IN. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YEAH. I LOVE THAT SMILE.
>> AND LESLIE EDWARDS. MY FAMILY LIVES AT THIS ADDRESS. IT WAS MY GRANDPARENT'S HOUSE. THEY BUILT IN 1958, AND MY MOM GREW UP IN IT, AND OUR EXTENDED FAMILY'S GONE THERE FOR DECADES. IT'S REAL SPECIAL TO US. WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMORIES THERE. WE BOUGHT IT FROM MY LATE GRANDMOTHER IN 2018, AND MY SISTER ACTUALLY JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE TOO, SO IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE FAMILY AREA. WE LOVE LIVING THERE, WE LOVE OUR HOUSE.
THE SPACE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH FOR US. LIKE, 11, 1200 SQUARE FEET.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK FOR SEVEN YEARS. MY HUSBAND WORKS FROM HOME, AND HIS OFFICE IS TAKING UP ONE OF OUR THREE BEDROOMS, AND IT'S HARD TO KEEP THE NOISE DOWN FOR HIM. AND, LIKE, HE SAID I WOULD WORK AND WORK ON CARS, AND RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING IS ON MY CARPORT, AND ALONG THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE, AND IT'S, LIKE, AN AWFUL EYESORE. LIKE, IT'S A SECURITY THREAT FOR BURGLARS, AND, LIKE, TRIP OVER STUFF ALL THE TIME WALKING THROUGH THERE, AND I GOT TO WORK OUTSIDE, SO, YOU KNOW, THE WEATHER MAKES THINGS HARD. SO BASICALLY, WE JUST WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING SO THAT I COULD HAVE MY TOOLS, AND FOR HIM TO HAVE AN OFFICE NOT IN THE HOUSE . SO I BASICALLY TOOK, LIKE, I'VE GOT A LOT OF TOOLS THAT WERE PASSED DOWN FROM, LIKE, MY LATE FATHER, MY GRANDFATHER. SO I TOOK EVERYTHING I HAD, AND I KIND OF LAID IT OUT, AND I SAID, LIKE, WHAT THE KIND OF MINIMUM THAT I CAN DO, THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP WITH THE SIZE I DON'T WANT TO ADD THE OFFICE ON HERE, SO I THOUGHT WE COULD JUST GO UP, AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD KIND OF MAXIMIZE THE
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FOOTPRINT. WE DID LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES BEFORE WE DECIDED TO STICK IT IN THE BACKYARD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE AND PUT, LIKE, A GIANT PRIMARY STRUCTURE THERE, BUT, LIKE, EVERY HOUSE ON THAT CIRCLE IS A ONE-STORY, 1200 SQUARE FOOT, ONE CAR CARPORT HOUSE. LIKE, IT WOULD LOOK RIDICULOUS SITTING THERE IN THE CIRCLE. SO, AND WE'RE KIND OF SENTIMENTALLY ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, SO, LIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO TEAR IT DOWN. WE ALSO LOOK AT ADDING ON, AND WE KIND OF DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE AND STUFF AND NOT TEAR OFF HALF THE HOUSE. BUT ALSO FROM THAT LAST-MINUTE SURVEY, THE PROPERTY LINES REALLY CLOSER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS, AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT SPACE OVER THERE FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT, LIKE, IT WON'T FIT ON THE LOT. SO WE KIND OF JUST WANTED TO TALK SOMETHING IN THE BACKYARD, LIKE, MAKE IT AS INVISIBLE AS POSSIBLE. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OLD TREES, LIKE, 60, 70 YEARS OLD. A LOT OF OVERGROWN SHRUBBERY FROM THE NEIGHBORS. SO IT REALLY WOULD BE HIDDEN BACK THERE. IT'S WELL WITHIN THE ISR. AND LIKE YOU GUYS KIND OF SAID, THE FOOTPRINT, AND I WAS CONFUSED ON ACTUALLY WHAT COUNTED AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE PEOPLE, AND THEY SAID ANYTHING ATTACHED TO YOUR HOUSE COUNTS, SO IF YOU COUNT THE AIR-CONDITIONED SPACE, THE CARPORT, SCREENED PORCH, AND THE DECK, IT'S LIKE, 2064 SQUARE FEET. SO, IN THAT CASE, THE FOOTPRINT REALLY IS LESSTHAN HALF. >> EXCUSE ME? SO TECHNICALLY, LIKE, YOU RUN OUT OF TIME. SO, SO YOU'RE GOOD. SO, SO, SO I GUESS, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR HER, SHE CAN SPEAK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE. -- KIND OF PROVIDING MORE CONTEXT.
>> MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE EXISTING
SHED? >> WE, WE EITHER MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE YARD, OR WE CAN GET RID OF IT.
>> OKAY. >> I'M GOING TO COMMENT, LIKE, I KNOW WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S COVERED BY A SWEETGUM TREE AND SOME OVERGROWN BUSHES, BUT, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW THEY COULD DECIDE THE BUSHES GOING TO BE REMOVED.
>> THEY COULD, YEAH. >> SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
AND ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, I MADE THE COMMENT EARLIER, THIS, TO ME, LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING STRUCTURE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CALL THEM A.D.D..
>> SO I ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IT AS A DWELLING UNIT, BUT THEN THEY SAID, NO, THIS IS, IT DOESN'T HAVE BEDROOMS OR KITCHENS, SO PUT IT BACK IN AS A UNIT, SO.
>> IT JUST, IT HAS THE APPEARANCE OF THAT, SO I'M JUST SAYING, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE COULD COME BACK IN LATER AND MAYBE RETROFIT IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ALLOWED.
>> YEAH, SO WHAT'S ODD IS THAT I FEEL LIKE AS IS IS PERMITTED, AS IS PRESENTED , DOESN'T, DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE, DOESN'T REALLY WORK. BUT IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY TO ADD A KITCHEN DUE TO THE ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU COULD PROBABLY, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE ALLOWED. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER IF THERE WAS ACTUALLY A KITCHEN IN IT. SO --
>> OKAY, I'LL ADD A KITCHEN! >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO, AND SO I GUESS, THAT'S KIND OF A FUNCTION OF THE RDE. THE DENSITIES, DENSITIES, IT'S 10, IT'S 10 DWELLING UNITS AND ACRE. SO I GUESS WE, WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT, KIND OF, I WANT YOU GUYS TO KINDA FINISH YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> WELL, THAT SORT OF RAN ABOUT WHAT I WAS GETTING TO. IF YOU MODIFIED THIS, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW.
NOW, IT'S MONEY, YOU ALSO PROBABLY, YOU DO HAVE A BATHROOM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE STORAGE ROOMS BECOME A BEDROOM ON THE YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO ADD A CLOSET AS WELL. THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO FROM THAT STANDPOINT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE PROBABLY, AS IT STANDS, I DON'T KNOW IT'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU WERE TO MODIFY THAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, LIKE, COULD YOU ADDED ONTO THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE? I THINK IT MAY BE WORTH ANOTHER LOOK FOR THAT, WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
>> OKAY. AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE DWELLING UNIT?
LIKE, HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT -- >> I'LL ANSWER THAT, YEAH.
>> I THINK WE'RE READY FOR YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS, SO THE SEA RDE, I THINK INITIALLY JUST KIND OF WHEN THIS CAME IN, BIG THING HERE, I THINK PROBABLY UNLIKE, NOT UNLIKE MOST PEOPLE IN TOWN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE THAT YOU GOT, LIKE, A SENTIMENTAL ATTACHMENT TO THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE HASN'T BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR A WHILE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO MAKE VISITS AND JUST KIND OF BETWEEN SPACE, OR IF THEY WANT TO LIVE INSIDE, PRETTY MUCH. BUT FROM A ISR, SAR , ALL SORT OF STUFF, THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNDER DIFFERENT USE. AND THEN AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, I WANT TO SAY THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALSO ABOUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CAN'T REALLY BE TALLER THAN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, SO, SO, SO YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHER ISSUES THAT I THINK WE'VE
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RUN INTO ON THIS DESIGN THAT PUT US RIGHT BACK HERE. BUT I THINK FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE THE ONE TO ACTUALLY BRING MY COMPUTER AND I CAN TELL YOU HOW BIG YOUR LOCK WAS GOOD BUT -- BUT OH, IT'S 17,000 SQUARE FEET.>> 70,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT'S LIKE ROUGHLY A THIRD, THIRD A LOT. TECHNICALLY WHAT YOU COULD DO, I SEE YOU ADDED THE TO DO IT. YOU HAVE BEDROOMS. YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT PARKING. SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF MIGHT BE DESIGN WAIVERS ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE FROM DRIVE-BYS AND ALL THOSE THINGS .
ADD PARKING ON-SITE. BUT AS FAR AS ADDING ANOTHER DWELLING UNIT TO THE SITE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LOT EASIER THAN KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS. I THINK WE ALSO PROBABLY NEED TO RECONSIDER -- AND ALSO THAT GET YOU AWAY FROM THE HEIGHT AND EVERYTHING. IT WOULD JUST BE, IT WOULD BE A MULTIPLE DWELLING UNIT, AND I GUESS, LIKE, NORMALLY MOST PEOPLE, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT OPTION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ZONED FOR THAT. AND TDH IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL. IT'S CONDITIONAL USE. I GUESS IT WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE, I THINK, IN CRDE AS WELL. I'D NEED TO CHECK THAT. BUT THERE WOULD BE A PATHWAY THAT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE. AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS ONE MIGHT REQUIRE MULTIPLE VARIANCES BEYOND JUST, LIKE, THE SAR, OR, I GUESS, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE RULE. BUT I THINK ALSO, WE RECENTLY HAD ONE WHERE IT WAS SIMILAR, LIKE, WITH A GUY, WITH JOBY. YEAH, YEAH, WITH THE CARS. BUT HE -- RIGHT, BUT SEE, HE LIVED ON THE EDGE OF TOWN . A MAJORITY OF HIS NEIGHBORS DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY. AND, LIKE, HIS -- RULE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, VERSUS, YOU COULD WALK TO KROGER FROM YOUR HOUSE AND SUGGEST TOTAL, TOTALLY DIFFERENT FEEL. IT'S JUST KIND OF , YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S JUST A TOTALLY DIFFERENT FIELD, AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS, KIND OF MY ANSWER FROM A STAFF WOULD PROBABLY BE, THERE IS PROBABLY A SOLUTION TO BE HAD HERE THAT DOESN'T REALLY INVOLVE A VARIANCE. I THINK IT MIGHT REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL APPROVALS, LITTLE FINAGLING.
SOMETIMES I LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY -- ONE OF THE THINGS WORKING WITH THE CITY. IF YOU TALK TO THE CERTAIN DEPARTMENT, THEY'LL GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC ANSWER VERSUS IF YOU -- I THINK SOMETIMES, ON SOME OF THE BUILDING THINGS, SOME THINGS SHOULD PROBABLY START WITH US, AND WE'LL KIND OF FILTER IT OUT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. PROBABLY BETTER JUST TO, JUST TO TALK, TALK TO US AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT KIND OF THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THIS. SO.
>> AS A BOARD, WE'RE REALLY HERE TO JUST INTERPRET THE RULES. AS IT STANDS NOW WITH THE EXISTING SHED, EVEN WITHOUT A SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PLAN IS TO PUT THAT, LIKE, WE'RE BOUND BY THOSE KIND OF VARIANCE ROLES, WHICH ARE, I MEAN, IF YOUR NEIGHBOR WAS THROWN OUT FIVE OR SIX BIG STRUCTURES, YOU WOULD PROBABLY NOT LIKE IT EITHER. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. BUT I WOULD SAY, MY, MY SUGGESTION TO YOU WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS VOTE, LIKE, GET IN TOUCH WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT , AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT SOME, SOME
DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR YOU. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
>> SO, WITH THAT SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE
FLOOR? >> MOTION TO APPROVE BZ
202-5010. >> AND I'LL MAKE A SECOND.
>> THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR INPUT. JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, I JUST KNOW CRDE IS GOING TO ALLOW --
>> IT ALLOWS A LOT MORE THAN TRADITIONAL HOUSING. THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS IN IT. I THINK ALSO WITH HOW THEIR PRIVATE DRIVE STANDARDS CAN SUBDIVIDES OFF OF THINGS, THAT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES WITH IT, SO WE CAN GO FROM THERE. AND I GUESS JUST KIND OF, ANY UPDATES I GOT FOR YOU ALL?
>> BEFORE YOU GO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK WE MAY HAVE ALMOST BEEN ANSWERED, BUT MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, IN THE SITUATION WHERE AN APPLICANT COMES IN, THEY MAKE A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE, WHERE DOES THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE OF, COULD THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE FOR AN APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BRING THIS FORWARD?
>> SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS.
OFTEN TIMES CALL. SO I GUESS OPTIMAL CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE THEY'LL CALL STAFF, LIKE, THEY'LL TALK TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT INITIALLY, WE'LL WALK THEM THROUGH ALL THE STUFF.
LESS OPTIMAL IS WHEN PEOPLE TALK TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, I NEED A VARIANCE FOR THIS. THEY'RE REALLY, THEY'RE GUNG ON GETTING A VARIANCE. SO THEY'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR IT AND ALL THE STUFF, AND THEN BY THE TIME, BY THE TIME WE GET IT, AND, LIKE, WE SEE IT, AND WE'RE REALLY JUST PUTTING THE STAFF REPORT TOGETHER, SOMETIMES I'LL CALL PEOPLE AND I'LL MEET WITH THEM. I MET WITH JOBY BEFORE HE CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT NORMALLY, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, WE CAN'T REALLY STOP PEOPLE FROM MAKING AN APPLICATION, AND OFTEN TIMES PEOPLE JUST WANT TO MAKE APPLICATIONS. SO THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE PROCESS. I SAID, I WOULD PREFER IF PEOPLE WOULD JUST KIND OF CAME TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT I GET IT. PLANNING IS A BIT OF A BLACK BOX. A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF IN TOWN, THEY, I THINK THESE ARE, THIS IS A RARE
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OCCASION WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE ZONED FOR SOMETHING RESIDENTIAL.LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ZONED, THEY'RE ZONED VDH OR THEY'RE ZONED, OR, LIKE, THEY HAVE A PDD THAT ONLY ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL.
VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE KIND OF IN THE SITUATION WHERE IT'S CRDE, BUT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT, BUT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, LIKE, FAMILY ORIENTED. IT'S STILL PEOPLE WHO JUST LIVE THERE ON THE DAY TODAY WHO HAVE A MULTITUDE OF OPTIONS FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS, NOT JUST LIKE YOUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD. LIKE, THE FIRST CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON SETBACKS. IN THIS CASE, THE DIFFERENT USES ALL HAVE DIFFERENT SARS, DIFFERENT ISR'S. I MEAN, YOU COULD, SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD PUT, LIKE, A THREE-STORY BUILDING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WANTED TO KIND OF DEAL. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, THIS WAS A MUCH MORE UNIQUE CASE, AND LIKE I SAID, MUCH MORE OF AN OUTLIER, AND WAS KIND OF WITH THE BASE
ZONING THAT WAS POSSIBLE HERE. >> OKAY.
>> WE APPRECIATE IT. I DO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BRING A VARIANCE, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATIVE THAT WE LIVE IN A CITY WHERE THAT'S ALLOWED. BUT ALSO IT'S NOT YOUR JOB EITHER TO SAY, HEY, DON'T BUILD THIS, DON'T DO THIS,
>> I THINK JOBY WAS ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE HAD HE NOT GOTTEN THE VARIANCE, HE JUST WOULD'VE ATTACHED IT TO HIS HOUSE. HE WOULD'VE FOUND A WAY TO DO IT. BUT I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK, LIKE, WITH THIS, I'M ALWAYS VERY CAUTIOUS OF, LIKE, KIND OF RECOMMENDING, WELL, YOU COULD JUST DO THAT.
THAT'S VERY SIMPLE, LIKE, WHEN YOU SAY IT, BUT IN REALITY, THAT'S MONEY. THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO, LIKE, THE IMPROVEMENTS PEOPLE CAN MAKE. SO, LIKE I SAID, I THINK OPTIMALLY, PEOPLE WOULD TALK TO US JUST KIND OF THREW THINGS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD, BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST KIND OF HAVE THEIR HEADS, YOU KNOW, GO TALK TO INSPECTIONS, INSPECTIONS WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS. BUT, I MEAN, IT'S MUCH
BROADER THAN THAT. >> WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE SOMEONE
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WHO TRIES TO KEEP TO THE CHARACTER OF AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO, IF SHE WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD A GIANT STRUCTURE, SHE COULD.>> SHE COULD. >> WE SEEN IT HAPPEN. OTHER
UPDATES? >> YEAH, YEAH WE DO. JUST KIND OF WITH THE STUFF THAT IS GOING ON, ME AND SCOTT HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT RECENTLY. IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF WE JUST KIND OF COAST THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS, SEE YOU GUYS IN JANUARY, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
>> OKAY! >> THAT IS NOT THE CASE. I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE A BZA CASE FOR DECEMBER, BUT WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER HEARING. AND SO THIS ONE'S NOT SCR RELATED. AND SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT YEAH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER HEARING, AND WE'LL SET A DATE, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU ALL AND KIND OF SCHEDULE THAT, WE'LL GO FROM THERE, SO.
THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> ALL RIGHT. ADJOURN THE MEETING AT
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