[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:08] >>> WE CALL TO ORDER TONIGHT'S COMMITTEE OF THE [2. MINUTES] WHOLE FOR DECEMBER 2ND, 2025. THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 18 TH COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION IS SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [3. QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA] >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. ANY QUESTIONS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR THE CITY MANAGERS? ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER? >> I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE AGENDA. IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE -- >> OKAY. THAT WILL BE FINE. >> I USUALLY ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE ME WITH A PLACE IN THE BUDGET WHERE THINGS ARE LOCATED. SHE'S BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT. SHE COPIED EVERYBODY ON THE RESPONSE TODAY. I SUGGEST THAT BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY GOING FORWARD. WHEN SOMETHING SAYS IT'S IN THE BUDGET, REFERENCE WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR IT ANYWAY. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL WORK REQUIRED ON THE PART OF THE CITY MANAGER TO ADD THAT SENTENCE TO BOTTOM OF EACH AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY. I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH SOME OF THE COUNCIL ALREADY. THOSE THAT I DISCUSSED IT WITH ALL THOUGHT THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COULDN'T HURT. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ASKING THE CITY MANAGER TO ADD THAT TO THE BOTTOMBOTTOM OF AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY FOR BUDGETED ITEMS. >> JUST A COUPLE THINGS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE SET THE TABLETABLE FUTURE DISCUSSION POTENTIALLY IS THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE IS THE ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER ASKING FOR THIS SPECIFIC INFORMATION, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> EVERYTHING THAT HE IS ASKING FOR IS IN THE BUDGET BOOK THAT WE ALL HAVE. >> IT IS. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED ALONG WITH CAPITAL OUTLAY. THERE'S CONTRACTUAL ITEMS THAT FALL WITHIN BIGGER CATEGORIES IN DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS. >> THE BUDGET WAS APPROVED BY EVERY MEMBER? >> NO, IT WAS NOT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IT WAS NOT. >> EIGHT OF THE NINE APPROVED THE BUDGET. >> CORRECT. >> I'M AWARE, BECAUSE I'M COPIED ON THE EMAILS, THAT MEGAN AND HER STAFF -- I'M NOT SURE WHO IS DOING IT -- IS PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION FOR MR. GRIZWALD ALMOST AT EVERY MEETING. SHE SHOWED EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL WHAT SHE'S BEEN DOING. I THINK THIS ONE WAS PROBABLY MORE INVOLVED THAN NORMAL ANSWERS. THIS IS TIME ON THEIR PART TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL. I THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE, IS THIS IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US TO HAVE THE STAFF PROVIDE THIS FOR US? SOME MEETINGS WE HAVE GOT 10 OR 12 ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET. SOME WE HAVE 2 OR 3. IT DOES VARY FROM TIME TO TIME. I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS WITH ANY OF Y'ALL I DON'T THINK SPECIFICALLY. WE HAVE CERTAINLY NOT DISCUSSED IT AS A COUNCIL. WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT TONIGHT. IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT HAS A COMMENT OR QUESTION THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHILE WE HAVE TIME, THAT WOULD BE FINE. >> JUST TO CORRECT THAT, I HAVE DISCUSSED IT WITH YOU. >> YES. WELL, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. YOU ARE RIGHT. I JUST HAVEN'T HAD DIRECT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE REST OF THE -- >> NOR HAVE I. I HAVE HAD SOME BUT NOT ALL. YOU ARE CORRECT. I WILL CONTINUE TO ASK FOR THIS INFORMATION. IT'S NO ADDITIONAL WORK. IF WE CAN SAY IT'S IN THE BUDGET, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO POINT OUT WHERE IT'S IN THE BUDGET. >> I ASKED YOU IN AN EMAIL FOR DIRECTION ON THIS. THEORETICALLY, I TRY TO BE EXTREMELY RESPONSIVE TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER. WHEN THINGS ARE TAKING STAFF TIME, THEORETICALLY, I NEED THE MAJORITY OF YOU TO TELL ME WHETHER I SHOULD BE PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION. I TRY OUT OF COMMON COURTESY TO YOU TO NOT SAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE FIVE OF YOU TO INSTRUCT ME. BUT IT DOES TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO LOOK UP ALL OF THESE WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE BUDGET. THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU A GUIDE TO THAT. I'M HAPPY TO OBLIGE WHATEVER THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE DONE. THEORETICALLY ASKING EVERY MEETING FOR IT ANYWAY, DESPITEDESPITE BEING SAID, A YEAR AGO YOU TOOK THIS UP AND OPTED NOT TO PURSUE IT. I HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION WITH AGENDA ITEM SUMMARIES BECAUSE THE COUNCIL AND THE MAJORITY SAID THEY DID NOT WANT THIS INFORMATION. OR TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER. NOW THIS IS THE FIRST AGENDA WHERE I RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR 100% OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE BUDGETED FOR THAT. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT REQUEST [00:05:01] BEFORE. I REALLY DO TRY OUT OF COMMON COURTESY TO BE RESPECTFUL TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. IF IT'S EXPECTED GOING FORWARD FOR EVERY BUDGETED ITEM ON AGENDA, I WOULD LIKE DIRECTION FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. >> THIS WAS AN UNEXPECTED CONVERSATION. WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE IT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR SAY TO THIS? >> WE DID HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. PART OF THE EMAIL WE RECEIVED TODAY, IT HAPPENED ON AUGUST 20TH TO PROCEED. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO RE-VISIT IT. EVERYONE HAS THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US, WHETHER IT'S ONLINE OR IN A PHYSICAL BOOK THAT WE RECEIVED ANOTHER COPY OF IN OUR PACKET THIS PAST WEEKEND. WE ARE ALL ADULTS AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO OUR OWN HOMEWORK. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLETELY AMISS AND YOU CAN'T FIND IT, THEN YOU CAN MAYBE GO AND ASK. THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT NEED TO SPEND HER TIME ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF GOING AND FINDING THE ANSWERS OURSELVES. I THINK THAT'S A RIDICULOUS USE OF HER TIME AND EFFORT WHEN SHE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS AND MOVING FORWARD ON OTHER DIRECTIONS WITHIN THE CITY. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT. >> I HAVE COMMENT. I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE PROPER TIME TO AIR THOSE -- MY QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE TIME TO FORMULATE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND WHY AND WHEREFORE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM ANSWERS BEFORE I MAKE A JUDGMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THIS. >> WHEN YOU SAY THIS, EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, PLEASE. >> OKAY. IF THE QUESTION IS ASKED, IS IT IN THE BUDGET AND THE ANSWER IS PROVIDED YES, THEN OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY KNEW ENOUGH TO SAY THAT IT WAS IN THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THAT FURTHER AS TO HOW THAT PERSON WOULD KNOW THAT. I DIDN'T WANT TO AIR THIS DISCUSSION. I WOULD RATHER WRITE THIS DOWN AND SEND IT IN. >> THEORETICALLY, IT'S BEFORE. IF IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET, WE TELL YOU IT WAS NOT BUDGETED. EVERYTHING HAS TO GET THROUGH ME TO GET TO YOU. SO WE'RE CHECKING YES SO THAT YOU ARE VERY CLEAR IT'S IN THE BUDGET. THAT RUNS THROUGH FIVE STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE TRANSPARENT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET OR NOT. YOU HAVE AN ITEM TONIGHT THAT IS NOT BUDGETED. A PROPERTY PURCHASE. IT WAS CLEAR IT WAS NOT BUDGETED. IT WAS EXPLAINED. OBVIOUSLY, YOU MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT IS -- THAT'S WHY I JUST NEED -- IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE INFORMATION FROM ALL OF YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. HAPPY TO OBLIGE. THIS IS WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL NEED, WHAT INFORMATION DO THEY NEED AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT. THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE IS TECHNICALLY ALL NINE OF YOU -- THE MAYOR IS MY LIAISON, BUT TECHNICALLY I WORK FOR ALL NINE OF YOU. WHEN THINGS ARE TAKING A LOT OF MY TIME, I NEED DIRECTION FROM THE MAJORITY OF YOU AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH. VERY RARELY WOULD WE INVOKE THAT. DON'T LIKE TO INVOKE IT. IT'S BECAUSE WE DEALT WITH THIS OVER A YEAR AGO AND I GOT DIRECTION, I NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, I WILL HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION WITH EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL. WE WILL COME BACK ON THE 16TH. >> LET ME SAY IN. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I CAN LOOK IT UP. IF ONE CITY COUNCIL PERSON WANTS IT, I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP AND SAY YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO GET IT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON IT. HE HAS A RIGHT TO ASK FOR IT. HE IS A CITY COUNCILMAN. WHETHER I AGREE OR NOT, IT'S HIS RIGHT TO ASK FOR THAT. I PERSONALLY DON'T NEED IT MYSELF. IF HE NEEDS IT, I DON'T -- I GUESS WE NEED TO -- MAY TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME, BUT I GUESS WE NEED TO TRY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> AS WE HAVE SEEN IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WHEN I ASKED THIS INFORMATION, SOME IS DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN A BROAD CATEGORY OR SOMETHING OR OTHER. THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE THIS BUDGET BOOK AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN WILL COME BACK AND REBUT ANYTHING I HAVE TO SAY. IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ME TOTO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TWO SIDE BY SIDE, THE POCKETBOOK AND THE BUDGET BOOK AND QUICKLY FIND OUT WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT, THAT'S FINE. I WILL CONTINUE TO ASK INDIVIDUALLY FOR -- >> THIS IS HOW I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THAT. I WORK WITH -- I WILL TAKE [00:10:05] OUR BUDGET AND I WILL PLUG IT INTO -- TAKE THE PDF VERSION AND PUT IT INTO AN AI TOOL. THEN I WILL TAKE OUR E-PACKET AND PLUG THAT INTO AN AI, INTO THE SAME AI TOOL. THEN I WILL SIMPLY ASK THE QUESTION FOR EVERY ITEM ON THERE TO IDENTIFY WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET. IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE HOW ACCURATE THAT -- ACCURATE AND THOROUGH THAT PROCESS CAN BE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS 100%, BUT IT WILL USUALLY GET YOU PRETTY CLOSE. IT TAKES ME A MINUTE, MAYBE A MINUTE AND A HALF TO DO IT. FOR THE MOST PART, I'M ABLE TO GET MOST -- IF I HAVE A CONCERN OR QUESTION, I CAN PULL IT UP LIKE THAT AND LOOK AT IT. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND SHOW YOU HOW I DO MINE. THAT MIGHT WORK FOR YOU. IF THAT'S HELPFUL. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT OFFER. IF IT TAKES A MINUTE, I DON'T THINK THE STAFF IS GOING TO BE SPENDING HOURS ON IT EITHER. SO THANK YOU. >> MEGAN, IF I MAY, MAYOR, DON'T YOU NOTIFY US IF THERE'S NOT A BUDGETED ITEM? >> YES, SIR, I DO. THAT'S WHERE WE WILL TELL YOU -- IT'S A CHECK AND BALANCE FOR US, WHICH IS MOST AGENDA ITEMS THE MAYOR ASKED ME THIS WEEK, HOW MUCH GOES INTO THAT? THE AMOUNT OF SCRUTINY AND DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL NOD AT YOU IS EIGHT TO TEN PEOPLE REVIEW EVERY AGENDA ITEM ON THE BUDGET SIDE ALONE IT'S USUALLY FIVE PEOPLE. IF THAT BOX IS CHECKED, WE HAVE CHECKED IT AND CHECKED IT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING YOU THE BEST INFORMATION POSSIBLE. >> TRY TO SLIP SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S NOT BUDGETED. >> I BELIEVE I WOULD BE BANEFULLY UNEMPLOYED AND RIGHTFULLY SO. >> OKAY. WE WILL MOVE AHEAD. I WILL TALK TO EVERYBODY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. WE WILL TRY TO -- >> YOU DID ASK ME TO QUERY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHICH I HAVE DONE. THEN BRING IT UP AT THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. TO SAY YOU WEREN'T AWARE OR ANYBODY ELSE WASN'T AWARE IS NOT CORRECT. DRIVE ON. >> WHAT I WAS SAYING IS I HAVE NOT HAD MY OWN INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. >> IT'S CHRISTMASTIME, FOLKS, LET'S MOVE ON. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER TONIGHT? ANYTHING FOR * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.