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GENTLEMEN. WELCOME TO OUR LAST MEETING, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF THE YEAR. DECEMBER 11, 2025. AT THIS TIME I CALL OUR PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. PLEASE CALL THE
>> HERE. >> JENNIFER STEPHENS.
>> HERE. >> BEFORE WE START I'D LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE AUBURN CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AGENDA ITEMS BY THE CITY PLANNING STAFF. THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE AGENDA ITEM WILL THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS AND/OR ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. I WILL THEN OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AS APPROPRIATE, AND THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AT HAND. WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEARD.
I ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR TIME TO TALK TO 5 MINUTES.
AND PLEASE, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND. AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE REPRESENTATIVE AND STAFF WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ISSUES BROUGHT UP DURING HAD HEARING. THEN I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION, MOTIONS, AND A VOTE.
THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS. THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2030, AND FOR THE GENERAL GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY.
HAVING SUMMARIZED THE BASICS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AND VOTING PROCESS, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUMMARIZE OUR ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY RELATED TO THE APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLATS.
BY ALABAMA STATUTE, A MUNICIPAL PLANNING COMMISSION SUCH AS OURS IS THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY OF THE SUBDIVISION PLATS. WITH REGARDS TO SUBDIVISION PLATS, THE COMMISSION ACTS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND IS BOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS CONTAINED IN STATE LAWS. THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCEORDINANCE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION. WHILE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED, MOST PLANS WE WELCOME ANY AND ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS CONCERNING THESE ITEMS. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO CONFIRMING THAT THE PLAT MEET OR EXCEEDS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS CODIFIED IN LAWS AND REGULATIONS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.
I ASK THAT IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK DURING ANY PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, PLEASE SIGN IN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO 5 MINUTES.
FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT FOR THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE. AS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF SUBDIVISION DECISIONS. ALL OTHER DECISIONS WILL BE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CONSIDERATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S POSITION.
THANK YOU. OKAY, WITH THAT, MR. COTTON, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
>> THANK YOU. SO THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF CHANGES FROM, I GUESS, MONDAY'S MEETING TO NOW.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ISSUES COME UP, SO I GUESS I'LL -- I'LL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW, AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE A VISUAL TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE SOME OTHER POINTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE ON SOME OF THESE. SO REGARDING PERRYMAN HILL ITEMS THAT'S ON THE ORIGINAL AGENDA. ITEM 2, ITEM 3, ITEM 4, AND THAT IS ALSO ITEM 11, ITEM 12, AND ITEM 13.
ALL THOSE ITEMS ARE COMING OFF THE AGENDA, AND THERE IS THE FINAL ITEM THAT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE ITEM 24 THATTHAT GOLD HILL VILLAGE AND GARDENS, THAT'S COMING OFF. SO ITEM 24, GOLD HILL THAT WAS AT THE APPLICANT'S BEHEST, THEY REQUESTED THAT. AND THEN IF WE JUST WANT TO GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE. SO THE FIRST ONE ON THE PERRYMAN HILL 1 AND 2 JUST DUE TO ALABAMA CODE AND STATE LAW THAT TALKS ABOUT JOINING MUNICIPALITIES, AND I WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE. JOINING MUNICIPALITIES, POLICE JURISDICTIONS HAVING OVERLAP, PRETTY MUCH JUST THE CITY'S POSITION AND I GUESS WHAT THE CODE OF ALABAMA SAYS IF THERE'S TWO MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE OVERLAPPING POLICE JERKS FOR LAND THAT IS IN THE COUNTY, THE CITY CAN ONLY ANNEX WHAT IS EQUIDISTANT TO THEIR CITY LIMITS. GETS VERY LEGAL, A LOT OF WORDS THAT WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON A MAP DON'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. AS YOU CAN SEE THE LINE
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ISN'T STRAIGHT, KIND OF JAGGED.BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE INTERPRETATION OF THIS, KIND OF HOW WE APPLIED IT. AND SO WITH THAT, THE CITY -- THERE ISN'T LEGAL CONFIDENCE THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO EVEN MAKE A PRE- ZONING DESIGNATION ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE WE TECHNICALLY DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO ANNEX IT. SO WE DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE ANY OTHER USAGE DECISIONS AROUND IT, AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE INFORMED THE OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET CITY OF OPELIKA'S PERMISSION TO -- I GUESS STATE LAW SAYS THAT THEY NEED A RESOLUTION FROM THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY APPROVING THAT ANNEXATION, THAT THEY CAN ANNEX THEIR PROPERTY IN ITS ENTIRETY INTO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY. AND SO UNTIL WE GET THAT, WE WILL NOT BE ENTERTAINING ANY APPLICATIONS ON PERRYMAN HILL. AND SO THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES IN TOWN THAT WILL AFFECT NOT IN THIS GENERAL AREA BUT OTHER PLACES AS WELL WHERE THERE'S OVERLAPPING POLICE JURISDICTION. BUT THAT'S THE REASON THAT PERRYMAN HILL WAS TAKEN OFF THE
AGENDA. >> OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO --
>> I THINK -- SO THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM WHERE THE APPLICANT REQUESTED SPECIFICALLY THAT IT GETS TABLED, AND SO THAT'S THE -- THAT WAS THE COX ROAD ANNEXATION, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT.
AND SO WE CAN JUST TABLE IT WHEN IT COMES UP SINCE THAT ONE'S IN NEW BUSINESS.
>> OKAY. THAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT WILL NEED TO BE PULLED OFF.
I THINK FIRST WE HAVE OLD BUSINESS FIRST SO --
>> YES, OKAY. CITIZENS COMMUNICATION IS FIRST. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE WILL HAVEHAVE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. THIS IS WHERE THE CITIZENS CAN COME AND SPEAK TO US ABOUT ANYTHING THEY WISH TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, PLEASE DO.
AND WHEN YOU -- BEFORE YOU LEAVE AFTER YOU HAVE SPOKEN, PLEASE SIGN IN ON THIS SHEET UP HERE ON THE FRONT DESK.
SO WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOW? OKAY, SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS.
[1. Conditional Use – Auburn Flex Works – PUBLIC HEARING]
SO OLD BUSINESS, CONDITIONAL USE AUBURN FLEX WORKS.>> YEP, AND SO THIS ONE WAS TABLED TO A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL HAD. THEY DID PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY BUT DIDN'T PROVIDE IT IN STAFF IN TIME TO REVIEW IT, SO IT WILL BE MOVED TO THE JANUARY MEETING TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING TIME TO REVIEW THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
>> OKAY. SO FOR AUBURN FLEX WORKS I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION AND SECOND TO TABLE TO DATE
CERTAIN. >> WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY --
>> I'M SORRY, POSTPONE IT. YEAH, JUST POSTPONE IT. I'M SORRY.
>> ALL RIGHT. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE AUBURN FLEX WORKS TO DATE CERTAIN OF JANUARY 8,
SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[CONSENT AGENDA (Part 1 of 2)]
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND COX ROAD. WE NEED TO TAKE THAT UP FIRST, CORRECT? COX ROAD ANNEXATION NEEDS TO BE PULLED OFF, AND SO WE'VE GOT TO VOTE ON THAT
FIRST. >> YEAH, SO YOU'LL NEED A MOTION.
>> I NEED A MOTION TO PULL OFF COX ROAD SUBDIVISION ANNEXATION OFF OF THE CONSENT.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE OFF 8X 2025- 015 COX ROAD
[5. Annexation – Cox Road Subdivision ]
SUBDIVISION FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.>> SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S LOOK AT THE
COX ROAD. >> SO PRETTY MUCH THIS IS -- THIS COX ROAD ANNEXATION FOLLOWS THE PREZONING YOU ALL SAW, THAT YOU ALL DENIED.
SINCE THE PREZONER'S REQUEST, PREZONES DO NOT HAVE TO BE IMMEDIATELY ANNEXED, AND SO IT ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO GET A ZONING DECISION PRIOR TO THEM GETTING ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY, AND THE ANNEX CAN LAG FOR SIX MONTHS. SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THEY POSTPONE TO JANUARY, THAT WAY THEY'RE GOING TO GET A DECISION I THINK THE NEXT COMING MEETING FROM THE COUNCIL ON PREZONING, SO THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO POSTPONE
THEN I'M GOING TO NEED A MOTION FOR COX ROAD TO BE
POSTPONED. >> MOTION TO POSTPONE COX ROAD SUBDIVISION TO DATE CERTAIN
SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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>> ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S DO THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PACKET MEETING NOVEMBER 10, 2025, AND THE REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 13, 2025.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT
SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
[6. Pre-zoning – The Foundry CDD - PUBLIC HEARING ]
ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE READY FOR NEW BUSINESS.FIRST IS PREZONING FOR THE FOUNDRY
CDD. >> ALL RIGHT, JUST BEFORE THE PLANNERS COME UP AND WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE CASES SINCE THERE'S SEVERAL CASES ASSOCIATIONED WITH IT. THERE'S TWO PREZONINGS, ALSO A COUPLE OF ANNEXATIONS WITH IT IN ADDITION TO THE PUD CASE.
I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PUD CASE AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT IT.
FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THIS YEAR WE APPROVED A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. IT WAS CREATED TO PROVIDE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY AT DIFFERENT PLACES IN TOWN. ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS AREARE FOR THE ZONING DESIGNATION EXCEPT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AND RURAL. SO THAT IS THE REASON YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE SEEING SOME OF THOSE ANNEXATIONS AND REQUEST TO REZONE.
YOU NEED TO REZONE TO SOMETHING AND THEN ASK FOR THE PUD. SO THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS ARE SEEING THE REZONE TO THE CDD.
PRETTY MUCH THE CORNER AT SHUG AND NORTH COLLEGE WAS ALWAYS ENVISIONED TO BE MIXED USE MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT. AND IN THE PAST, I THINK 2018, WAS THE LAST TIME THERE WAS A BIG PUD HERE THAT WAS APPROVED THAT DID INCLUDE OFFICE SPACE ACROSS FROM CARRY CREEK FROM NORTH COLLEGE. THAT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF ENVISIONED ON THIS PROPERTY, AND ALSO THERE'S A VERY BIG BACKBONE OF THE TRAIL, KIND OF THE GREEN WAY BIKE PATH THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THAT AREA AS WELL.
AND SO I THINK ALWAYS KIND OF FROM THE GET GO THE APPLICANT WAS ALWAYS CURIOUS ABOUT A PUD FROM THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE DIFFERENT OFFERINGS OF THE SITE, AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HE WANTED TO DO WITH IT.
HE WAS ONE OF THE MAIN PROPONENTS KIND OF ASKING ABOUT THE PUD, WANTING TO TALK ABOUT IT, WANTING TO KNOW WHAT WAS POSSIBLE, WHAT COULD BE DONE.
AND SO THIS WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PUD OF SOME SORT. THERE WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A MIXED USE HERE. THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED, AND SO THE REASON FOR THAT THIS IS A LARGER AMBITION FOR THE CITY AND ADDITION FOR THE CITY MAINTAINING HARD CORNER USES. WHEN I SAY HARD CORNER THINK ATTRACTIONS SIMILAR TO OPELIKA ROAD PUD, I GUESS OTHER PLACES. THIS IS MORE URBAN BUT I GUESS COLLEGE AND GAY STREET, AND LOOKING AT PLACES LIKE SHELTEN PUD DONAHUE, AND SHUG, THESE ARE ALL HARD CORNERS WHERE THE PRIMARY IS COMMERCIAL FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. SOME OF THE ZONING USES THAT HAS MADE THIS DIFFICULT HAS BEEN COMPREHENSIVE ZONING DISTRICT OF CUD, HAVING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING BEING A BY USE, RIGHT? SO LIKE I SAID THE LONG AMBITION HAS BEEN TO PRESERVE THESE HARD CORNERS FOR COMMERCIAL BUT ALSO PROVIDE THESE AMENITIES TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE PARTS OF TOWN. SO I THINK OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THERE'S BEEN A REALLY STRONG PUSH TO GET THESE COMMERCIAL AMENITIES UP HERE, IDENTIFYING DIFFERENT PROJECTS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET AT WAL- MART, DIFFERENT PROJECTS AT THE CARRY CREEK PUB PUBLISH, BUT ALSO LOOK A OTHER PLACES THERE COULD BE GROCERY STORES AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO THIS PROJECT REALLY DOES FOLD IN VERY WELL WITH THAT, KIND OF DOVE TAILS WITH THAT, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW HOW WE GOT HERE WITH THE PUD, KIND OF WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS FOR THAT, WHAT THE INTENTION WAS, AND I GUESS KIND OF HOW THIS SPEAKS TO THAT ON A LARGER SCALE BEFORE YOU GUYS SEE THE INDEPENDENT STUFF.
AND SO FROM UNIT COUNT I GUESS IT WAS 24, 25, SO 2,025 UNITS ACROSS 280 ACRES.
ROUGHLY ABOUT 140 ACRES OF PRESERVATION OPEN SPACE. I DON'T HAVE THE MILES, BUT PORTIONS OF LIKE I SAID THE LARGER BACKBONE OF THE SAGAHATCHEE GREEN WAYS BIKE PLAN AND THE OFFERING OF THE COMMERCIAL, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MAJOR STREET THAT WOULD GO -- I GUESS TECHNICALLY IT WOULD BE CALLED CALLED IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH COLLEGE STREET.
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GUYS AN OVERVIEW AND THAT WAY YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THE PREZONINGS AND REZONINGS ARE COMING UP AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE FOUNDRY PART.AND I'LL GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT, AND WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF WHERE THEY GOT RELIEF, WHAT THE EXCHANGES ARE, AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
>> OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME?
>> WELL, I GUESS IF YOU GUYS JUST LET THE PLANNERS RUN THROUGH -- YEAH, JUST LET THE PLANNERS RUN THROUGH THE CASE.
YES. >> SO WE HAVE A PREZONING AND THEN WE HAVE A REZONING. DON'T WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME ANNEXATION BEFORE WE REZONE?
>> NO. SO CAN YOU GO TO THE -- CAN YOU GO TO THE PROX MAP. YOU SEE HOW EVERYTHING IN WHITE ESSENTIALLY SAYS OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS. SO PART OF THIS PROPERTY, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT HALF OF IT IN TOTAL ACREAGE, IT'S CURRENTLY OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
SINCE THAT IS NOT ANNEXED IT NEEDS TO BE PREZONED.
THEY'RE REQUESTING IT BE PREZONED. THERE'S MULTIPLE PIECES IN THIS. I THINK IT'S THE MUELLER PIECE, AUBURN PLACE PIECE.
PART IT IS IN THE CITY AND PART OF IT ISN'T, THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE SPLITTING OF PREZONING AND
SENSE. >> IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME UP AND PRESENT.
>> GOOD EVENING. OKAY, SO OUR FIRST CASE REGARDING THE FOUNDRY PUD IS REZONING OR PREZONING. THIS IS PREZONING REQUEST FROM THE FORESIGHT GROUP LLC TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 126.
97 ACRES TO CDD OR COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTH WEST CORNER OF NORTH COLLEGE STREET AND SHUG JORDAN LOOP, AND HAD ZONING WOULD BE RULED PENDING ANNEXATION OF AX2025 17 AND 18. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE PROX MAP SHOWS THE 126 ACRES. NOW, WE DO HAVE, OF COURSE, THE ALREADY ANNEXED RURAL AREA RIGHTRIGHT SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PREZONING ONLY, AS DISCUSSED EARLY. AND KEENLD OF ON THE EXHIBIT THIS IS THE OVERALL FOUNDRY MASTER PLAN. YOU CAN SEE A WIDE VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE, MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS.
BUT THIS IS KIND OF JUST STRICTLY LOOKING AT THE PREZONING TO CDD. SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY
HAVE. >> COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? OKAY.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THIS REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PREZONING FOR THE FOUNDRY TO CDD, PLEASE COME FORWARD. OKAY, SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NOW, APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME SO WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS?
>> YEAH, I GUESS THIS IS STEP 1 OF LIKE A 5- STEP PROCESS.
SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS THE GENERAL PART OF THIS REZONING FROM RURAL TO CDD. I THINK MOST OF THE MEAT IN THIS THING IS WHEN WE GO FROM CDD TO A PUD, WHERE PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THE ZONING TAKES
PLACE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NEED A MOTION FOR THE PREZONING OF THE FOUNDRY CDD.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE RZ-2025-021.
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.
[7. Rezoning – The Foundry CDD - PUBLIC HEARING ]
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOVE ONTO THE REZONING OF FOUNDRY CDD.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE EZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 155 ACRES FROM RURAL TO COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THIS IS WEST SIDE OF NORTH COLLEGE STREET ACROSS FROM THE LEGACY SUBDIVISION AND IS THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE PUD. THESE PARCELS WERE ANNEXED IN OCTOBER OF 2020, REZONED TO DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY. THE PDD EXPIRED SO IT REVERTEDREVERTED THE WAY BACK TO RURAL, SO THAT IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE REZONED. THE FUTURE LAND USE, THERE'S SEVERAL DESIGNATION OF FUTURE LAND USE. LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, MASTER
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PLAN USE COMMERCIAL, AND THE PUD FITS THOSE DESCRIPTIONS.I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU
WITH THIS TO CDD, IS THE MIXED
USE THE OFFICE BUILDINGS? >> YES.
IT WOULD BE KIND OF DOWN -- DOWN THE ROAD THERE.
>> OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, I WILL NEED A MOTION FOR THE REZONING OF THE FOUNDRY.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM RZ-2025-024.
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I DIDN'T SEE IT HERE. THIS DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THAT.
IF ANY OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE REZONING OF THE FOUNDRY CDD PLEASE COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN WHEN YOU LEAVE. YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR HAVING ME UP HERE.
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH STRAIN. I'M A LIFELONG MEMBER OF THE AUBURN COMMUNITY EXCEPT FOR A THREE- YEAR STINT WHERE I WENT TO GRAD SCHOOL, AND I ALWAYS CAME BACK TO AUBURN BECAUSE THIS IS THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH TO BE. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AUBURN IS GROWING. IT'S GROWING AT AN EXPONENTIAL RATE, AND IT'S -- OF COURSE IT'S GROWING.
IT'S THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH TO BE, BUT SOMETHING I JUST WANT -- AND BEFORE I MENTION THIS, I HOPE BY ME BEING HERE IT SHOWS THE CITY THAT PEOPLE IN MY AGE DEMOGRAPHIC, PEOPLE WHO ARE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE OUTSIDE OF COLLEGE REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY.
WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE LAND, HOW IT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED, AND HOW THE CITY'S THRIVING.
I'M NOT HERE TO TOTALLY OBJECT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DO WANT TO RAISE AN ISSUE WITH THE CITY.
THERE IS 200 ACRES OF WILDLIFE THAT'S IN THIS AREA THAT'S ABOUT TO BE COMPLETELY WIPED OUT.
AND MY QUESTION FOR THE CITY IS WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THIS WILDLIFE? THAT'S ABOUT TO BE MOVED OUT? AND I'M SO THANKFUL THAT THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE AGREED TO LEAVE, LIKE, 140 ACRES FREE AROUND THE -- WHICH IS SUCH A BLESSING IN THE CITY, BUT THAT'S 200 ACRES OF WILDLIFE THAT IS NOW GOING TO BE PUSHED INTO THAT 140.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THESE WILDLIFE DON'T END UP IN THE ROADS? AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR A LOT OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS, AND I'VE TALKED TO THEM THEM IN THINKING ABOUT COMING TO THIS MEETING. WE'VE SEEN A LOT MORE ROAD KILL IN THE ROAD.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.
I HAVE SOME IDEAS, BUT WHETHER THAT'S WORKING IN THE AUBURN RAPTOR CENTER TO ENSURE THE OWLS RESTING THERE DON'T END UP, YOU KNOW, BEING DESTROYED.
SO IT'S REALLY TRYING TO ENSURE THERE IS A PLAN IN PLACE.
I KNOW THE CITY'S AUTHORITY IS KIND OF LIMITED IN THIS, AND THIS GOES INTO WORKING WITH ADEN AND THE ARMY CORPS, AND I KNOW THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PERMITTING PROCESS. BUT THAT'S THE CONCERN I FELT LIKE I WANTED TO RAISE WITH THE CITY, IS WHAT IS THE CITY'S PLAN OF ACTION FOR THE 200 ACRES? AND ON TOP OF THAT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY RESEARCH DONE AS TO WHETHER THERE'S ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THIS AREA? ENDANGERED, THREATENED, UNCOMMON, RARE? DO WE KNOW THAT? AGAIN, I'M NOT HERE TO OBJECT. I'M SO APPRECIATIVE THAT THESE DEVELOPERS ARE WANTING TO LEAVE SUCH A MASSIVE GREEN SPACE, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO RAISE TO THE CITY. THANK YOU.
NEXT? >> MY NAME IS TOM STROUD.
I LIVE AT 19 WATERCREST DRIVE. THAT'S TWO OVER FROM WHERE ASHTON LANE DUMPS INTO THIS AREA. I HAVE TWO CONCERNS, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IT MAY BE TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO BRING THIS UP, BUT I LIVED THERE 30 YEARS AGO, AND INITIALLY THE CREEK WAS BACK UP. WHEN THEY FIRST PUT THAT BRIDGE ON WATER CREST, THE FLOODING DAGOT TO THE POINT IT ALMOST LIFTED THE BRIDGE OFF THE ROADWAY.
THAT DID SOME WORK AND IMPROVED THE DRAINAGE. I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS GOING TO EXACERBATE THAT PROBLEM AND WE'LL HAVE MORE FLOODING AND BACKUP. THEY USED TO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE BRIDGE WHEN THERE WAS HEAVY RAIN, AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT IN A COUPLE YEARS, BUT THIS MAY MAKE IT WORSE.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS WHEN -- AT WHAT POINT DO YOU ESTABLISH THE CURB CUTS AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND THE -- THESE ARE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS, BUT AS FAR AS
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STOPLIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT CONTROL THE TRAFFIC.AT SOME POINT I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S ANNA MARGARET GOLDMAN, AND I LIVE OFF 803 -- COURT.
AND I'M ORIGINALLY FROM ALABAMA, AND I MOVED AWAY FOR A LONG TIME AND MOVED BACK HERE TO AUBURN THREE YEARS AGO AND WAS REALLY EXCITED TO MOVE TO THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVED WHEN I MOVED TO AUBURN IS JUST THE NATURAL AREA THATTHAT THIS CITY SO SPECIAL. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY CONCERNED, AS SOME OF THE OTHER FELLOW CITIZENS, ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT OFF OF NORTH COLLEGE. SO THE SCALE OF THIS PROJECT IS CONCERNING TO ME.
THE CLEAR- CUTTING OF HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF TREES, AND THEN JUST THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THEM. I FEEL LIKE THIS WILL REALLY FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AUBURN AND NOT FOR BETTER.
AS A CITIZEN LIVING IN THIS AREA I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, THE LOSS OF GREEN SPACE, AND THEN DESTRUCTION OF THE WILDLIFE HABITAT AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT FAMILIES LIKE MINE AND NEIGHBORS ACROSS THIS AREA. SO I, AGAIN, LIKE OTHER CITIZENS, NOT OPPOSING THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, BUT CAN WE HAVE SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AROUND WILDLIFE AND THE CONCERN OF REZONING THIS FROM RURAL TO ANOTHER DISTRICT? I HAVE A 5-YEAR- OLD SON, AND WHEN WE'RE DRIVING AROUND AUBURN HE KEEPS ON ASKING WHY THEY'RE TEARING DOWN ALL THE TREES WHEN TREES HELP US BREATHE BETTER, AND IT BREAKS MY HEART, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TO HIM. SO EVEN A CHILD UNDERSTANDS THAT PRESERVING NATURE MAKES THE COMMUNITY STRONGER, AND I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER AUBURN'S FUTURE, NOT JUST THE DEVELOPER'S BOTTOM LINE AS WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT PROTECT THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR OUR FAMILIES AND FOR GENERATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
>> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN.
WHO'S NEXT? WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO I CAN ANSWER. I CAN ANSWER THE BOTH OF THESE.
SO JUST KIND OF THE -- I GUESS I'LL ANSWER THE ROAD NETWORK QUESTION FIRST.
SO IN ALL OF OUR PDDS AND THE PUDS, SO WHEN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS SUBMITTED, THE ROAD NETWORK IS A PART OF IT, AND THE ROAD NETWORK IS BINDING. AND SO ONE OF THE -- IN OUR PACKET MEETING AND MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONERS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS ABOUT THE MAIN TWO CONNECTIONS. SO THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT CONNECTS TO THE TOP OF SHUG, AND THEN THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT CONNECTS TO NORTH COLLEGE÷÷COLLEGE JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM CARRY CREEK AND PUBLIC. FORMAL APPLICATIONS ON ITS FACE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED÷÷ LOCATIONS OF THE ENTRANCES. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN SPEAK TO IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE ANY ANSWERS BEYOND THAT.
BUT THE ROAD NETWORK FROM WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A BINDING AGREEMENT FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF IT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE FROM THIS, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AMEND THAT. SO THAT IS WHEN THE ROAD NETWORK, AND I GUESS THE -- ONCE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENTS START HAPPENING AND THEY SUBMIT PRELIMINARY PLATS AND WE HAVE PLANS FOR DIFFERENT SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE COMMERCIAL, THINGS THAT TRIP -- THAT TRIP THE THRESHOLD WILL REQUIRE A LIGHT THAT EITHER OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS, THAT IS WHEN THAT WILL BE REQUIRED. AND SO I GUESS NOT A Q&A, SO I CAN'T GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU.
THERE IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, SO IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, YOU CAN HAVE IT ANSWERED THAT.
THAT'S THE GENERAL PATTERN. THEN MOVING INTO THE QUESTION OF TREES AND PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION AND THINGS KIND OF PLANTING THINGS BACK.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT, WE'VE HAD A COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS ON INTERNALLY JUST KIND OF WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS, ALSO ENGINEERING AND PLANNING, TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN TWEAK SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TO INCENTIVIZE MORE CONSERVATION. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN WITH THE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION REGS AND LOOKING AT OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT REQUIRING OPEN SPACE, GIVING PEOPLE DENSITY BONUSES, WHICH IS THE CORE TENANT OF PERFORMANCE
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ZOVE IN TOWN, OFFERING MORE DENSITY IF WE CAN GET MORE CONSERVED GREEN SPACES. LOOKING HOW DO WE MAINTAIN LINKAGES AND CORRIDORS OF GREEN SPACE, AND SO THIS WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK. I MEAN 140 ACRES.BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE STILL SEE ESPECIALLY WITH THIS SITE AND ALSO WITH CONSTRUCTION THAT IS VERY DRAWING, VERY, VERY DRAWING I THINK ESPECIALLY KIND OF OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS OUT THERE -- JUST HOW DO WE GET AWAY FROM MASQUERADING AND HOW WE DO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO TAKE ANOTHER AVENUE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT MASQUERADING? BECAUSE IT'S GOOD TO REPLANT TREES, IT'S A LOT BETTER IF YOU CAN NEVER TEAR THEM DOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE PROFESSIONALS UNDERSTAND, BUT ALSO WHERE WE'RE AT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS -- WITH ALABAMA BEING SUCH A PRO- PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE EVEN IF WE WERE TO INCENTIVIZE IT, I THINK WE'D RUN INTO TROUBLE IF WE TRY TO MANDATE. I THINK THAT PD BE HARD LEGALLY TO DEFEND ON OUR END TO HANDCUFF DEVELOPERS TO MAXIMIZE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
IF THEY WANT TO CUT IT DOWN, THEY'RE KIND OF ENTITLED TO DO THAT. I WANT TO SAY TO THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT. I THINK FROM IMPLEMENTING THE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION REGS, LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO -- I GUESS THE PUD IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT OFFERING PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION OPEN SPACE IN EXCHANGE OF OTHER RELIEF, I MEAN THESE ARE WAYS WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK WE DO WANT TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO GET AWAY FROM MASQUERADING. SOME SITES ARE HARD TO DEVELOP FOR THEM WITHOUT -- I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HARD IF WE WERE TO PUT THAT IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGS OR ALLOW DIFFERENT -- OR RESTRICT THAT ENTIRELY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR US TO LEGALLY DEFEND. BUT IT IS SOMETHING, LIKE I SAID, WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO INENTERTAIN WAYS WHERE WE CAN INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES PRESERVE LARGE CHUNKS OF OPEN SPACE, AND NOT JUST OPEN SPACE ON ISLANDS BUT CONNECTED OPEN THIS SPACE THAT SERVES BENEFITS OF WILDLIFE AND SERVE MORE BENEFITS TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND AND CAN BE FUNCTIONAL AND ACCESSIBLE AND NOT JUST AN UNMOWED 20- FOOT STRIP OF GRASS OR SHRUBS.
SO LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD INTERNALLY. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK THROUGH WAYS HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THIS. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE TAKE VERY -- THAT WE TAKE TO HEART AND SOMETHING WE DO TRY TO DO.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS JUST KIND OF WITH THE BALANCE OF JUST THE INTEREST OF PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE STATE AND DEVELOPMENT, HOW DO WE REALLY IMPLEMENT IT? AND HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO IT? THAT'S JUST AN ONGOING PROCESS, AND I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT, AND EVEN FOR THE PUBLIC AND JUST KIND OF MOVING FORWARD IN A BETTER DIRECTION THAT WAY WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR STATUS AS A TREE CITY. I GUESS THAT'S MY ANSWER ON
THAT. >> ANOTHER QUESTION CAME UP, WHICH PROBABLY CAN WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT ONE, BUT IT WAS ABOUT FLOODING.
>> YEAH, AND SO I GUESS IT'S NOT -- I GUESS YOU -- FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF IT PROBABLY KNOW, BUT THE HASH LINE IS PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE FLOODPLAIN OF THIS. THERE'S A MASSIVE CHUNK OF THIS THAT IS, BUT I IMAGINE THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT AND ALSO WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT ABOUT THE FLOODING DOWN THERE ON THAT BRIDGE SO --
>> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT, TOO? I'D LIKE -- WELL, GO AHEAD IF YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER THAT.
>> I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW THE BRIDGE IMPACTS THE FLOODING, BUT, YEAH, THERE IS A VERY LARGE FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA.
THAT AREA STAYS WET FOR A MAJORITY OF THE
YEAR. >> MY POINT IS THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW IS BASED ON CURRENT REGULATIONS, CURRENT PLANS, CURRENT ALL THE STUFF WE HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THAT STUFF.
SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY REQUIRE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THINGS LIKE THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND USE PLAN. THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO -- I MEAN YOU CAN'T FIX SOME OF THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT AS YOU GO INTO THE FUTURE AND YOU START THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AUBURN GROW, YOU'VE GOT TO PARTICIPATE IN DEVELOPMENT AND CHANGE OF THOSE PLANS BECAUSE ALL THOSE PLANS ARE DYNAMIC. THEY CAN ALL BE CHANGED, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THEN WE CAN END UP WITH DIFFERENT RULES ON HOW WE DO THINGS. NOW, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM IN THIS PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE -- THAT TAKES CHANGE OF PLANS AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND THAT'S HARDER.
>> SO YOU HAVE TO TALK TO YOUR
LEGISLATURE. >> I JUST SAY PARTICIPATE.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN HERE. THE CITY LOOKS AT ALL THIS STUFF IN A LOT OF DETAIL, AND WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH WHAT WE
HAVE. >> COMMISSIONERS, ANYONE
YEAH. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE ON
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SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE REZONING TO CDD FOR THE FOUNDRY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[8. Rezoning – The Foundry PUD - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> ANY OPPOSED? NEXT IS THE FOUNDRY
PUD. >> ALL RIGHT, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE ENTIRE SITE. AND SO ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A PDD AND A PUD, OTHER THAN THEIR DIFFERENT ACRONYMS, SO THE PUD FUNCTIONS AS ITS OWN ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PDD IS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO AS YOU GUYS SEE THERE THERE'S THE DDH PUD.
THERE'S THE PUD CDD DOWN, AND THAT'S THE PINK HASH IN THE CORNER. THE OVERLAY REALLY KIND OF ONLY ALLOWS FOR A MAX OF TWO INCENTIVES AND EXCHANGES.
THE PUD HAS A LIMIT ON INCENTIVES AND EXCHANGES.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE PDD IS JUST AN OVERLAY, AND THE BASE ZONE PROVIDES A LOT OF THE GUARDRAILS AROUND WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE DONE.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT BENEFITS TO TAKING ON A PDD, BUT LIKE I SAID THE PUD HASHAS MORE FLEXIBILITY, MUCH STEEPER, I GUESS, I WOULD SAY LEARNING CURVE FOR THE PUD THAN THE PDD. PDDS ARE PRETTY SIMPLE. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THEM.
THEY COME THROUGH, I WOULD SAY 90 DAYS TO APPROVAL.
THE PUD TAKES MUCH LONGER THAN THAT. THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF THE BASE LEVEL DIFFERENCES.
THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. SO THIS WILL -- I GUESS KIND OF THE UNDERLINED ZONES AREN'T REALLY RELEVANT. I GUESS IT'S NICE THEY'RE REALLYREALLY MORE RELEVANT FOR ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ZONE OUT OF THEM.
IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND TALK ABOUT THIS. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF BROKEN UP INTO AREAS. AREA ONE, AREA TWO, AREA THREE, AREA FOUR. YOU GUYS RECEIVED THE DIFFERENT USE TABLES BROKEN DOWN IN THEM AND THE BULK REGULATION. FOR EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE BULK REGULATIONS ARE SETBACKS, HEIGHTS, FLOOR AREA RATIO, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. A LOT MORE THAN METRICS OF HOW WE ACTUALLY DESIGN BUILDINGS, DESIGN SITES, PRESERVE DIFFERENT THINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE DETAILS ARE. I INCLUDED THAT, AND SO I'LL JUST KIND OF PROVIDE LIKE A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE DENSITY IS, GENERAL HEIGHT, AND THEN GENERAL WHAT THE EXCHANGES ARE.
SO JUST KIND OF AT THE OUTSET, THE MAX DENSITY FOR THIS, THERE WAS GOING TO BE 2,425 DWELLING UNITS AT THE TOP.
IF EVERYTHING WAS ZONED CDD, THE CDD DENSITY IS 9 1/2, 280, YOU'D BE LIKING AT 2,700-ISH.
IT KIND OF SHAVES THE DENSITY DOWN IN THAT REGARD.
THERE WOULD BE A MAX OF 625 MUD UNITS, SO ON MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT PRETTY MUCH, SO THAT WOULD BE CAPPED AND THAT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO AREA TWO AND AREA ONE.
AND SO THERE'LL BE A DISTINCTION IN MIXED USE AND MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THOSE MASSIVE WINGS ON THE BACK END, JUST KIND OF ON THE NORTHERN SIDE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU'LL SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSE, PRETTY MUCH. THERE'LL BE NO COMMERCIAL AREAS IN AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR.
ALL THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE CONFINED TO AREA TWO AND AREA ONE. I DO WANT TO MAKE A DISTINCTION AREA ONE DOES FOLLOW YARDYARD BOULEVARD, SO THE MAJOR STREET THAT CONNECTS FROM THE EAST TO WEST AND THEN KIND OF GOES UP IN FRONT NORTH COLLEGE NORTH OF THE ROAD RIGHT ACROSS FROM CARRY CREEK, THAT'S AREA TWO. SO THERE WILL BE -- THERE'S DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE PERMITTED HERE, BUT THEY'LL BE PERMITTED WITH DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WILL PREVENT THEM FROM TAKING DIRECT ACCESS OFF OF THIS ROAD, THAT WILL PREVENT THEM FROM TAKING DIRECT ACCESS OFF NORTH CLOO, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE GARAGES NOT FACING THE STREET, THINGS LIKE THAT REALLY FOCUS ON THE ENHANCED ARCHITECTURE AND ENHANCED CHARACTER OF THIS AREA.
SO FROM DENSITY STANDPOINT AND THEN I GUESS GOING BACK TO THE 140 ACRES OF PRESERVED OPEN SPACE. SO ONE OF THE -- SOME OF THE EXCHANGES ALSO HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRAIL CONSTRUCTION, AND SO IF YOU GUYS LOOK IN THE -- AT THE VERY TOP YOU GUYS SEE WHERE IT IS -- I GUESS ON THE LAST MAP IT SAYS PROPOSED TRAIL THAT KIND OF CONNECTS TO AREA THREE THERE. AND ALSO ON OUR GREEN SPACING -- GREEN WAY MASTER PLAN, THERE'S A TRAIL THAT FOLLOWS THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY LINE AS WELL. AND PDDS OFTENTIMES ONE OF THE THINGS WE GET IS THE DEDICATION OF THE GREEN WAY SPACE. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST THAT OFTENTIMES WE'RE ACCUMULATING A LOT OF THESE ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL GO BACK AND BUILD THEM.
IN THIS SCENARIO THE DEVELOPER WILL BUILD THEM.
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I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS KIND OF IN THE PHASING, SO IT'LL BE ON THE FRONT END OF THE PROJECT. THERE'S THE PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE ROAD HAPPENS AND THEN PHASE TWO WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TRAILS WILL BE HAPPENING, SO WE'RE REALLY KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW AND THE DIFFERENT GREEN SPACE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.AND SO THE GOAL FOR THIS IS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL SERVE AS JUST÷÷ KIND OF A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY CAN BE AND KIND OF NEEDS TO BE IN DIFFERENT AREAS FOR RESIDENTS GETTING TO TRAILS FOR TRAILS THEN CONNECTING TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT THEN CONNECT TO COMMERCIAL AREAS AND PEOPLE ABLE TO EASILY TRAVERSE THESE AREAS BY FOOT, BIKE, SCOOTER, ET CETERA, NOT NECESSARILY NEEDING A CAR TO KIND OF DO ALL THESE THINGS. AND SO JUST KIND OF MOVING FROM THERE, I GUESS THE BROAD OVERVIEW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I GUESS THE EXCHANGES.
SO THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TRAILS.
THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MAJOR STREET PLAN. THERE'S ALSO THE INCENTIVES OF ENHANCED ARCHITECTURE THROUGHOUT, AND THEN ALSO PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, AND PROVIDING A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.
SO IF WE -- I GUESS THE NEXT PART I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I GUESS, IS THE ARCHITECTURE. SO CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE? SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT -- ONE OF THE GENERAL AMBITIONS I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PUD WAS ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS WE GET A LOT IN AUBURN IS THAT ALL THE HOUSES KIND OF LOOK -- NOT ALL THE HOUSES LOOK THE SAME, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
IT'S CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISIONS IN DIFFERENT PLACES, AND IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO BUILD DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES. JUST KIND OF CLICK THROUGH.
THERE'S DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS.
SO ALL THESE USES ARE DIFFERENT THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, REALLY KIND OF A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN THAT REALLY EMBRACES PROXIMITY TO GREEN SPACE, REAR ALLEY ACCESS, GARAGES OFF THE STREET, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN LITTLE DENSER AREAS. AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FEATURES AND MAJOR COMPONENTS AND TENANTS OF THIS PUD. AND THE RELIEF THAT THEY ARE GETTING, I GUESS, ON A VERY LARGE SCALE TO SEVERAL THOUSAND DEPENDING ON HOW MANY THEY DECIDE TO BUILD, SETBACKS.
THEY DIDN'T GOT SHAVED LOT SIZES IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES, BUT A LOT OF THE LOT SIZES FOR TOWNHOMES OF MINIMUM OF 1,800 SQUARE FEET, THOSE ARE STAYING. BUT THERE'S AN INCREASED FAR.
SO WITH EVERY LOT MINIMUM THE FAR WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A STRUCTURE OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
THIS HAS COME UP IN OTHER PUDS PEOPLE ASK THAT THEY ARE RESTRICTED BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD ON A SMALL LOT, BUT THEY'LL ASK FOR I NEED AN INCREASED FAR TO BUILD A BIGGER STRUCTURE. SO WE INCREASED FAR SO THEY CAN BUILD THE STRUCTURE AND ALLOW THIS LOOK. THE GREEN SPACE IS MORE OF THE COMMUNAL ASPECT AND THE PARKS THEY HAVE ACCESS TO AND ALSO THE 140 ACRES THEY HAVE ACCESS TO AS WELL. THAT'S REALLY THE EXCHANGES ON THE BULK REGULATION SIDE. FROM THE USAGE STANDPOINT, SO A LOT OF USES THAT WERE KIND OF SHAVED AND TAKEN FROM PERMITTED TO CONDITIONAL IN CDD, SO ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS THERE WILL NOT BE SHORT-TERM RENTALS HERE.
THAT IS NOT AN ALLOWED USE, PERIOD. THERE IS ALSO -- I SHAVED BACK MORE INTENSE USES, SO THINGS LIKE HOTELS.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T WANT HOTELS HERE OR HOTELS WOULDN'T BE A GOOD FIT HERE. I THINK THEY'D BE A GREAT FIT. I THINK JUST FROM A TRAFFIC FLOW STANDPOINT, THE CIRCULATION, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT FROM A LOCATION LOOK AND THAT IT COMPLYWISE THE GREATER THEME.
SO THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE USES HAVE BEEN SHAVE BACK TO BE CONDITIONAL USES.
AND SO THEN ALSO THE USES HAVE BEEN RESTRICTED -- LIKE I SAID, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT SHOWS THE AREAS? ONE MORE.
KEEP GOING. YOU'RE GOING FORWARD.
IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO WHERE IT SAYS -- THERE WE GO. OKAY, SO AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR ARE GOING TO BE PREDOMINANT RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THERE WILL BE NO COMMERCIAL AREA HERE, LIKE I SAID.
AND AREA ONE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION, THAT IS WHERE THE BULK OF THE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO GO. LIKE I SAID THIS IS 270 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, 600 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.
MIXED USE WILL BE AVAILABLE IN AREA ONE BUT NOT LIKE EXCLUSIVE RESIDENTIAL PRETTY MUCH.
AREA TWO IS GOING TO HAVE OFFICE SPACE AND COMMERCIAL, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE'LL BE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ALLOW THEM TO CONSTRUCT ALONG THE ROADWAY OF THE BOULEVARD AND ALSO ON NORTH COLLEGE. BUT THIS WILL BE -- THERE'LL BE STANDARDS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO FRONT OFF -- NOT BE ABLE
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TO FRONT OFF OF GARAGES FACING IT STREET, ALL THOSE THINGS, PRETTY STANDARD. I WANT TO GIVE A BROAD OVERVIEW, KIND OF TALK A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL WHAT SOME OF THE USES ARE, WHAT SOME OF THE EXCHANGES WERE. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE SCALE OF THIS PROJECT REALLY PUSHES THE DENSITY, I GUESS, AND THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT WITH THIS BEING A HARD CORNER. LIKE I SAID MASTER PLAN MIXED USE TWO IS REALLY ONE OF THE MORE INDENSE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT WE HAVE. LIKE I SAID, THIS PROJECT REALLY DOES ALIGN WITH THAT AND KIND OF ACHIEVES KIND OF WHAT THE OVERALL VISION OF THIS CORNER KIND OF ALWAYS BEING A MIXED USE CORNER, KIND OF PROVIDING A HARD CORNER WITH A LOT OF BIG RESIDENTIAL BOXES, BIG COMMERCIAL BOXES, AND ALSO KIND OF PROVIDING SPACE FOR COMMERCIAL AS WELL. SO -- I GUESS ALSO TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER.FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW THEY HEAR THE NUMBERS OF 2,400 UNITS AND THINK THAT'S A LOT FOR THEM TO BUILD THE NEXT YEAR.
DEVELOPER WILL TELL THEMSELVES THIS IS LIKE A 15, 20- YEAR BUILD OUT FROM THAT.
FROM A USE STANDPOINT CHURCHES WERE GIVEN A MIXED USE DESIGNATION, NOT A PERMITTED BY RIGHT SIMILAR TO EVERY DISTRICT IN TOWN. THAT'S BECAUSE IF A CHURCH BUYS ALL OF AREA THREE OR AREA FOUR OR SOMETHING, I THINK WE'D PROBABLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND FIGURE THAT OUT FROM A STRANGE FLOW STANDPOINT. LIKE I SAID, GENERALLY SPEAKING PULLED BACK ON SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE USES THAT WOULD BE MORE INTENSE FROM A TRAFFIC CIRCULATION STANDPOINT, REALLY KIND OF PROVIDED SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE RESIDENTIAL USES CAN FRONT.
AND THEN ALSO THE POSITION OF NO SHORT- TERM RENTALS HERE, AND THEN ALSO IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT JUST KIND OF AROUND THE FAMILY DEFINITION PRESIDING OVER THE ENTIRE AREA.
AND SO THAT'S UP TO TWO, NOT FIVE.
LIKE I SAID A LOT OF THIS IS PUDS ARE THEIR OWN ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAVE TO BE TALKED ABOUT AND KIND OF WORKED THROUGH. THEY'RE NOT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT CARRIES THE BASE DESIGNATIONS OF THE UNDERLYING ZONE. SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT, THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, WHAT THE EXCHANGES ARE, AND ALSO WHERE SOME OF THESE USES ARE LOCATEDLOCATED ALSO WHAT THE USES LOOK LIKE. THEN FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, AND FINAL THING AND I'LL STOP TALKING, THE COMMERCIAL IS REALLY GOING TO BE ANOTHER POINT OF ENHANCED ARCHITECTURE WHERE THERE'LL BE BRICK, EXPOSED METAL, MUCH MORE OF THAT MODERN TAKE OF THE RUSTIC INDUSTRIAL VIBE IN SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
AND SO THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT CODIFIES THAT AS WELL THAT GOES WITH THIS.
>> SO AS YOU MADE THE DECISION TO, I GUESS MADE SOME OF THOSE USES ADDITIONAL RATHER THAN JUST LEAVE THEM AS BY RIGHT AND CDD, WHAT KIND OF -- HOW DID YOU MAKE THE DECISION? WHAT WAS THE, OKAY, THIS WAS TOO MUCH?
>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO I THINK NORMALLY KIND OF AN INTENSITY OF A USE. HOTELS ARE A REALLY GREAT ECONOMIC DRIVER AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE SENSE IN AREA ONE OR THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK FROM HOTELS WOULD THEN TRIGGER DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TRAFFIC STUDY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE FRONT END. THAT'S FINE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NORTH STAR. BUT THEN WHENEVER THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING IN WHETHER THAT BE SEVERAL HUNDRED UNITS OR SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL COMING IN AT ONE TIME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, OKAY, LET'S DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS, AND MAKING SURE ANY OF THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WE HAD PLANNED FOR OR LOCKED INTO ARE GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
>> YEAH, AND I THINK ALSO IN DIFFERENT AREAS, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE CHARACTER OF AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR WERE TO BE MUCH MORE OF EXCLUSIVE RESIDENTIAL AREA, NOT A MIXED USE AREA, NOT A COMMERCIAL AREA. AND SO AREA ONE AND AREA TWO, LIKE I SAID, ALSO KIND OF FALL IN THAT CORRIDOR.
WE'RE GOING TO BE MORE OF MIXED USE, AND KIND OF AS YOU GET TO AREA ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE INTENSE -- THE MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT IS PUSHED TOWARDS AREA ONE. AND THEN AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR ARE WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE KIND OF PRIMARILY. AND SO FROM THE -- FROM THE INTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS ALSO KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE PHASING, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF USING AS A GUIDE FOR WHAT I THINK MADE SENSE.
AND JUST ALSO FROM PAST CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING FROM AN FAR STANDPOINT AND ISSUES THEY RUN INTO WITH OTHER PUDS AND ISR
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AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF MAKING A DECISION TO SHAVE THINGS IN DIFFERENT PLACES.>> I NEED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. YOU DID SAY AT THE BEGINNING, WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING, THAT ALDOT HAD SAID OKAY ON THE EGRESS ON BOTH
PLACES. >> THAT IS WHAT THE APCOMPETENT SAID. LIKE I SAID, THEY'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT WHAT THEY SUBMITTED AND WHAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH.
>> YOU KNEW I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT.
LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ELSE. THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS NOT BEEN
DONE? >> NO, HASN'T BEEN DONE BECAUSE THIS IS A ZONING ACTION.
>> RIGHT. AND I KNOW THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW HIGH SCHOOL NEXT
DOOR. >> OH, I THINK THEY WOULD BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A SECRET.
>> WOULD ANYWHERE -- YEAH, BUT ANYWHERE FROM 1,800 TO 2,000 STUDENTS.
>> YEAH, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO
CONSIDERATION. >> AND THEY WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE USING SOME OF THESE
ROADS. >> THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN ANTICIPATED. THAT ROAD HAS BEEN ON OUR PLAN FOR A LONG TIME TO GET IT THROUGH THERE, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY BE PARTNERING WITH THEM ON THAT ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
>> SO MY QUESTION IS AS WE LOOK AT AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BUILD OUT IS SOME TIME DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE IN THOSE AREAS. IS THE BELIEF THAT THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING IN TO SUPPORT AREA TWO AND AREA ONE WILL ALSO SUPPORT AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR? OR ARE THERE ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW?
>> SO I THINK KIND OF THE NATURE OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION, I THINK THE PRIORITY -- SO THERE'S A PHASER MAP WE GOT ASSOCIATE WOULD IT. THE MAJOR ROAD GOING THROUGH THE EAST AND WEST CONNECTOR BOULEVARD THAT'S THE PRIMARY ROAD THAT CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO START ON IMMEDIATELY, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP KIND OF AREA ONE AND AREA TWO. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION AROUND AREA THREE AND AREA FOUR BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE THE INFUSION OF PRIVATE ROADS TO UTILIZE ON STREET PARKING FOR THESE PLACES AS WELL.
SO THERE'LL BE BIGGER STREETS THAT GO THROUGH THAT SERVE AS THE BACKBONE OFF OF THE MAIN ROAD, BUT I THINK THE MAIN THING WOULD BE KIND OF SUPPORTING AREA ONE AND AREA TWO, AND I GUESS THAT'S THE NATURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FEW DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPS FASTER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL.
NORM IT'S THE INVERSE. NORMALLY THE COMMERCIAL FOLLOWS THE ROOFTOPS OF SOME PLACES BUT WITH THE TRAFFIC COUNTS BEING SO HIGH COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO SETOFF THIS DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THE RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S WHY I THINK THE -- IT'S FLIPPED. I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN IMMEDIATE INFLUX OF MULTIFAMILY.
I THINK WE'LL SEE THE IMMEDIATE INFLUX OF COMMERCIAL HERE. I THINK TO THE POINT WHEN THE APPLICANT'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, THEY GET A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT THIS NOW, BUT THEY HAVEN'T HAD THE ZONING, AND SO THEY REALLY HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY CALLS OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE KIND OF TELLING PEOPLE ONCE I GET THIS ZONE I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED CALLS ABOUT IT AND THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND LOCATION OF
IT. >> SO LET ME GET THIS TIMELINE STRAIGHT. SO THE FIRST THING THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED IS THE GREEN WAY,
>> YEAH, SO THERE'LL BE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD AND CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVERY. SO THE CONSTRUCTION AND DELIVERY OF THE ROAD, I GUESS THAT'LL BE IN PHASES.
I GUESS THE DEVELOPER CAN SPEAK MORE TO THE PHASE-OUT OF THE ROAD. THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING TOPIC, BUT KIND OF PUSH THE PHASE ONE LIKE EAST, WEST CONNECTOR KIND OF DEAL OF THE GREEN WAY. AND AS IT KIND OF MOVES OUT THAT'S WHEN AREA ONE AND AREA TWO WILL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER,
BEFORE I OPEN? >> YES, IN THE PACKET THE TABLE THAT'S IN HERE, THOSE WHICH Y'ALL HAVE AGREED ON FOR THE USES, OR IS THAT STILL BEING WORKED ON?
>> NO, SO YEAH. THAT IS A -- THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE AGREED ON.
I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WILL CHANGE I THINK IS AREA TWO AND THAT'S BECAUSE IN THE INITIAL GRAPHIC WE GOT I THOUGHT AREA TWO WAS REALLY KIND OF THE TOWN CENTER AREA THAT'S CENTRAL TO IT. AREA TWO IS THE -- IS WHAT LINES EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BOULEVARD AS WELL. THAT IS WHY THERE'S GOING TO BE PERMITTED USES BUT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CHANGES WE MADE ONCE WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
SO THE TABLES YOU GUYS RECEIVED IN THE PACKET, THEY'RE LARGELY REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE. I THINK THE OTHER CHANGE IN IT IS THAT THE ISR IS GOING TO BE
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0. 9 ON EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE INSERTING -- HOW THEY'RE DOING THINGS THERE'S GOING TO BE PRIVATE REAR ALLEY ACCESS ON A LOT OF THEIR LOTS, AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO ACHIEVE THAT IS INSTEAD OF PLATTING IT AND DEDICATING IT, IT IS GOING TO BE PART OF PEOPLE'SPROPERTY. >> CAN YOU DO THE HOTEL, MOTEL THING AGAIN BECAUSE YOU HAVE IN THE DCC IT'S CONDITIONAL, BUT IN AREA ONE IT'S PERMITTED, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO AREA ONE IS ONE OF THE MORE IT TENSE AREAS. LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE LOOKING AT AS THEY PUSHED BACK TOWARDS THE ROAD IS KIND OF MAKING THAT A CONDITIONAL USE. LIKE I SAID, IN SOME OF THESE
YEAH. >> SO RED IS WHERE YOU CHANGED IT FROM WHAT IT REALLY WAS
BEFORE? >> NO, NO, NO, SO I GUESS --
>> SO MINE -- ALL OF MY CHANGES ARE THE HIGHLIGHTED CELLS IN GREEN, NOT THE ONES IN
RED. >> OKAY, SO OURS ARE RED.
OURS ARE RED SO -- MINE ARE RED.
>> SO THERE'S THE -- THERE'S THE FIRST PAGE THAT'S ALL -- THAT'S ALL WHITE AND HAS A WHITE BACKGROUND.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN STUFF.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO IF WE GO TO AREA TWO -- BUT YEAH.
ALL OF MY INPUT I HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.
I WANTED TO SHOW WHAT THEY REQUESTED AND WHAT WE SHAVED BACK. LIKE I SAID, WHAT I SHAVED BACK IS EVERYTHING IN GREEN, LIKE THE HIGHLIGHTED STUFF IN GREEN.
SO THE TEXT IS STILL IN RED, BUT THE CELL IN GREEN IS WHAT I CHANGED. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
>> OKAY, THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE FOUNDRY AT NORTH COLLEGE PUD? OKAY, SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO
YEAH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF. WE'VE PROBABLY BEEN WORKING ON THE ZONING PART OF THIS FOR PROBABLY CLOSE TO 9 OR 10 MONTHS WITH THE CITY.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COLLABORATION.
TO YOUR -- YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS ON THE ALDOT STUFF, WE PRESENTED IN THE MASTER PLAN WITH ALL THE ANTICIPATED USES AND PROVIDED THAT WITH THEM.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE -- YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS EAST WEST ROAD GOES IT ALIGNS WITH CARRIER CREEK PARKWAY TO THE EAST, AND THEN IT IS AN EXTENSION OF THE ROAD THAT IS GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AND RELIES ON THE BOULEVARD. SO WHEN WE BUILT CARRIER CREEK PARKWAY 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET A LIGHT AT THAT LOCATION.
AND I WOULD EXPECT WITH THIS TRAFFIC THAT THERE'LL BE A SIGNAL ON THIS END. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A SIGNAL ON THE SCHOOL END OF -- FARMS AS PART OF THE SCHOOL PROJECT.
>> OKAY. >> FOR MOST PART THIS IS GOING TO BE A PARALLEL STREET AND SHUG JORDAN THAT'S A PUBLIC STREET. WE HAVE OUR NORTH- SOUTH DRIVE HERE COMING IN OFF SHUG JORDAN. BOTH OF THESE LOCATIONS WE PRESENTED SPACING AND ALL THIS STUFF. ALDOT DIDN'T HAVE ANY INITIAL CONCERNS WITH THAT, BUT AGAIN THEY WANTED A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR MORE DETAIL TO CONFIRM THAT. I MEAN, BASED UPON OUR AMOUNT ROAD FRONTAGE WE CAN HAVE MORE CURB CUTS THAN WE HAVE SHOWN ON BOTH OF THESE ALDOT STREETS, SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE FINE THERE.
I EXPECT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SIGNALIZATION AT BOTH, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES FROM THAT SIDE.
IN REGARDS TO THAT, YEAH, YOU CLEARED IT UP. THE -- WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THIS AND WE WERE TRYING TO COMPARE THE USES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET, COMPARED TO CDD, BECAUSE CDD WAS ALL AROUND US, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GIVE A VISUAL OF THIS IS WHAT CDD IS, AND IF WE WERE CHANGING IT FROM CONDITIONAL TO PERMITTED OR PERMITTED TO CONDITIONAL,
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WE HIGHLIGHTED IT IN RED. IF YOU LOOK IN THOSE TABLES, IF IT'S RED THAT MEANS IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT CDD ZONING ORIGINALLY HAD.SO THAT WAS THE WAY WE'RE KIND OF PRESENTING IT TO THE CITY SO THEY÷÷ DIDN'T HAVE TO DIG BACK THROUGH THE CHART. THEY CAN JUST SEE WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO CHANGE.
AND THEN OF COURSE JUSTIN MENTIONED THETHE ONE WITH THE GREEN CELLS IS WHAT HE WAS CHANGING. ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE WE'RE ALMOST -- WE'RE 40 PLUS PERCENT OPEN SPACE.
IN A NORMAL CDD ZONING YOU'D ONLY REQUIRE 25% OPEN SPACE. WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE. WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE THAT'S GOING TO BE FLOODPLAIN AND WOODS THAT'S TOTALLY LEFT UNDISTURBED, BUT THEN THERE IS A LOT OF THE PLACES -- KIND OF THE LIGHTER GREEN AREA IS FOR THE MOST PART MOST OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISTURB. IN REGARDS TO THE TOTAL ON THIS SITE, THIS SITE HAS SEVERE.
THIS ISN'T ROLLING TERRAIN. THIS IS MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S UPWARDS OF 80 AND 100 FEET OF ELEVATION CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT SIDE OF THE 280 ACRES YOU'RE ON. THERE'S A TON OF ELEVATION CHANGE HERE. AND SO WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY STUDIES. WE HAVE ANALYZED THAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR SITE TIE INTO THIS FUTURE ROAD THAT'S GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF THETHE SCHOOL.
IN REGARDS TO, LIKE, WHAT'S DELIVERED, WE DO HAVE A PHASING PLAN. THE EAST- WEST ROAD, WE CAN ONLY BUILD THAT EAST- WEST ROAD, OUR PROPERTY LINE ENDS AT THE END OF THAT CREEK. SO WE CAN ONLY BUILD THE ROAD JUST SHORT OF THAT CREEK, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A BRIDGE THAT CONNECTS IT THROUGH.
AND THEN THERE'S STILL A PORTION OF THAT ROAD THAT'S GOT TO BE BUILT TO CONNECT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT, THAT'S ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. IN REGARDS TO DELIVERY AND SEQUENCE FOR THE MOST PART A LOT OF THE AREA OF AREA ONE AND TWO IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE GRADED TO BUILD THE ROADS JUST WITH THE AMOUNT OF TOPO AND THE GRADES AND HOW EVERYTHING WORKS THROUGH THERE. LIKE I SAID THE EAST- WEST ROAD IS GOING TO GO IN FIRST.
PROBABLY THE NORTH- SOUTH ROAD IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO IN BECAUSE WE'LL BE DOING THE COMMERCIAL -- WE'LL BE STARTED ON THE FRONT END AND AT SOME PORTION WE'LL START ON THE RESIDENTIAL, SO THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE BACK IS GOING TO BE AT A LOT SLOWER PACE THAN THE COMMERCIAL. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE DELIVERING A LOT OF THIS MASQUERADED ON THE COMMERCIAL FOR PEOPLE TO IMMEDIATELY BE ABLE TO WORK ON. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS, TOO, ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE. THE CITY FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE FROM WATER AND SEWER, THERE'S PLENTY OF INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH THERE. IN REGARDS TO FLOODPLAIN AND FLOODWAY, THOSE MAPS WERE JUST REVISED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. WE ARE NOT -- WE'RE PLANNING TO DO ALL OUR IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND FLOODWAY. THE ONLY IMPROVEMENT IS THE GOING TO BE THE TRAIL SYSTEM WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING. THE EAST-WEST IS MAINLY GOING TO BE THE ROUTE ALONG. THIS SOUTH ONE WILL BE ADJACENT TO THAT CREEK, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY IMPROVEMENTS WE PLAN ON DOING INSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN. WE DON'T PLAN ON DOING ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT.
OTHER THAN THAT, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE.
>> ANYONE HAVE ANYMORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION PROBABLY DIRECTED TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. DID I HEAR IT RIGHT WHEN YOU SAID IN AREA ONE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BY RIGHT A HOTEL, OR WAS THAT STILL GOING TO BE CONDITIONAL?
>> NO, THAT'S CONDITIONAL, OSO I CHECKED IT.
SO IN THE GREEN CELL IT IS CONDITIONAL. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. THERE WE
GO. >> OKAY, ANYMORE QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> ALL RIGHT, COOL. >> WELL, I THOUGHT WE JUST DID. WE ALREADY DID IT.
>> YEAH, SO I GUESS THERE'S -- I GUESS THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ANNEXATIONS. THIS IS THE FINAL ONE. YEAH, I GUESS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING, IF YOU JUST WANT TO HANG AROUND, IF YOU WANT TO ASK US AFTER THE MEETING OR COME BY TOMORROW, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.
>> BECAUSE WE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC. I'M SORRY.
ALL RIGHT, I NEED A MOTION FOR THE FOUNDRY
SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE FOUNDRY PUD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY
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>> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, MOTION CARRIES.
[9. Annexation – Auburn Place]
NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS ANNEXATION ON THE AUBURN PLACE.>> ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY 50 ACRES. PROJECT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SHUG JORDAN PARKWAY, WEST OF NORTH COLLEGE STREET. THEY ARE NOTANICING THE ENTIRE PARCEL, BUT IT'S GREATER THAN 3 ACRES SO THAT DOES NOT APPLY. WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
>> AND THE PLAN IS TO LEAVE THIS PROPERTY RURAL?
>> IT WOULD BE A PART OF THE FOUNDRY. JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THIS ANNEXATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I NEED A MOTION FOR ANNEXATION OF AUBURN PLACE 50
ACRES. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE AX.
SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[10. Annexation - Owens Family]
>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? NEXT IS THE ANNEXATION OF OWENS
FAMILY. >> ALL RIGHT, NOW THIS IS AN ANNEXATION REQUEST FROM JOLLY DEVELOPMENT TO ANNEX 76.
97 ACRES FROM THE CITY LIMITS.
THIS PARCEL LAND IS DIRECTLY LOCATED DIRECTLY NORTH OF HICKORY DIKORY PARK. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE
FOUNDRY. >> ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE A QUESTION? ALL RIGHT, AGAIN THIS IS AN ANNEXATION. IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ANNEXATION OF THE OWENS FAMILY
PARTNERSHIP. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE
SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[14. Pre -zoning - Odom Creek Estates- PUBLIC HEARING]
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.>> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, PREZONING ODOM CREEK
FUN STUFF. ALL RIGHT, SO THERE'S NO -- I GUESS ON THE PREZONING THERE'S AN NOENXATION. THERE'S PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PREZONING. THIS IS ONE WE GOT ALL THE E-MAILS ABOUT AND I THINK ONE OF THE EXHIBITS SOMEONE E-MAILED. SO I JUST WANT TO START OFF AND SAY THAT NOT GOING TO READ THE LETTER -- I GUESS THE E- MAIL AS PART OF THE EXHIBIT.
WE'LL PROBABLY -- I THINK SOME PEOPLE REQUESTED THAT THEIR EXHIBITS -- THAT THEIR E- MAILS BE USED AS EXHIBITS AND THAT THEIR E- MAILS ARE KIND OF CODIFIED IN THE RECORD FOR THE FEW PEOPLE WHO DID.
SO WE CAN DO THAT AND WE'LL ATTACH THAT TO REFERENCE THEM. SO JUST FROM THE PREZONING REQUEST AND I GUESS THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEFORE I GET STARTED I WANT TO SAY SO ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL ANSWER THEM AT THE END. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOT Q&AS, SO I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER YOU DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I GUESS IF SOMEONE MAKES A SIMILAR POINT TO YOU, TRY TO USE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A DIFFERENT POINT THAN FROM PEOPLE WHO ALREADY SPOKE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL OUTLINES, GUARDRAILS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO ODOM CREEK ESTATES, THE REQUEST IS FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO PREZONE APPROXIMATELY 360 ACRES TO CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO JUST WHAT PREZONE IS AND HOW THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERYBODY, PREZONINGS ARE A DECISION ON THE ZONING REQUEST BEFORE SOMEBODY ANNEXES IT. IT'S JUST AN ODE TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS PRETTY MUCH. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT, THIS PROPERTY IS EAST OF SOCIETY HILL ROAD AND SOUTH OF PIERCE CHAPEL ROAD.
SO FROM A -- I GUESS KIND OF THE -- YOU GUYS CAN SEE TO THE NORTH THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES OUT HERE THAT HAVE THE COD DESIGNATION. NORMALLY WHEN YOU SEE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS IN PROXIMITY TO THE OTHER, THE IMMEDIATE THOUGHT WOULD BE, WELL, THIS ZONING DISTRICT MAKES SENSE IN PROXIMITY TO IT. EXCEPT IN THIS CASE WHEN THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT, ONE OF ITS MAIN FEATURES IS TO BE A CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR THE LAKE OVAL TREE WATERSHED ACCORDING TO
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OUR ZONING REGS AND TO OUR ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE LAKE OVAL TREE WATERSHED. IT IS IN ANOTHER WATERSHED, AND THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY.NOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THE PREZONE REQUEST.
BUT FOR, I GUESS, EVERYBODY WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH OUR SUBDIVISION REGS, YOU CAN REALIZE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITHIN THE PLANNING JURISDICTION. AND SO I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT ANNEXING.
AND, I GUESS, THAT'S KIND OF THE MAIN THING OF MY POSITION AND I GUESS KIND OF THE STAFF REPORT. SO FROM A REZONING OR PREZONING REQUEST THE ZONING STUFF IS NOT NECESSARY. THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT LIKE I SAID DOES NOT HAVE TO BE APPLIED TO ANYTHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE LAKE OVAL TREE WATERSHED. THEN IT OPENS UP DIFFERENT THINGS FROM LOT MINIMUM STANDPOINT AND THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES FOR THAT.
AND I GUESS KIND OF EXHIBIT 1 HERE IS NOT REFLECTIVE OFOF A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION WILL LOOK LIKE.
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION REQUIRES THAT SOMEBODY IDENTIFY THE PRIMARY CONSERVATION AREAS, AND THAT'S WETLANDS, STREAMS, STEEP SLOPES, AND THEY CONSERVE THOSE AREAS AND BUILD AROUND THOSE. THIS IS KIND OF THE INVERSE WHERE THEY PUT THE LOTS, BUILD THE ROADS, AND THEN PUT IN THE CONSERVATION AREAS.
THIS IS A PROBLEM WE TOLD THE APPLICANT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM USING THE EXHIBIT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS EXHIBIT AS DISPLAYED WOULD NOT BE COMPLIANT FOR A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION. THEN I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE I WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SIDE AND 100 LOTS. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WANT TO POINT OUT IS FOR SOMEONE WITHIN THE PLANNING JURISDICTION AND NOT IN THE CITYCITY AND OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO DEVELOP ACRE LOTS, PERIOD.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THE MATH AND DIVIDE BY 60, AND NOT ACCOUNTING FOR JEUMTRY AND WETLAND AND ALL THOSE THINGS. THE PROPOSAL FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT IT CAN BE WAY MORE.
ALSO TO EVERYBODY I GUESS NOT JUST IN THE AUDIENCE BUT I THINK FOR PEOPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY -- THAT PEOPLE REALLY SHOULD UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE ON THE PERIPHERY OF TOWN IN THESE RURAL AREAS, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PROX MAP, PLEASE, SO ON THE PERIPHERAL AREAS A LOT OF THE WHITE IS OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS. THESE AREAS DO NOT HAVE ZONING.
THERE IS NO USE CONTROL IN THESE AREAS. THESE AREAS CAN BE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BE.
IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO DECIDE HOW MANY TRAILERS HOMES THERE THEY CAN THEY CAN DO THAT.
IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DECIDES THEY WANT TO PUT A PLANT AREA THEY CAN DO THAT. THIS IS ONE OF THE RISKS LOCATING IN EDGE OF THE CITY TO EDGE ACCOUNTING LAND. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ENCOURAGE GROWTH INSIDE THE CITY IF YOU'D LIKE GUARANTEES ON WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS CAN AND CANNOT DO, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS AROUND YOU PROBABLY BE ZONED TO BE IN THE CITY. JUST BECAUSE IF YOU LIVE IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO ZONING PROTECTION, AND YOUR NEIGHBOR IS ALSO NOT BOUND BY ANY USES EVEN ON THE COUNTY STANDPOINT. THERE IS NO ZONING ON ANY OF THESE AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMIT. FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, LIKE I SAID THEY CAN REALIZE OUTSIDE THE CITY. THEY CAN REALIZE FAR MORE DENSITY THAN WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING. ALSO FROM A USE STANDPOINT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PUT HOMES THERE.
THEY CAN PUT LITERALLY ANY USE THEY CAN SO CHOOSE TO PUT THERE, AND THAT IS A PUBLIC ROAD AND THEY CAN USE THAT.
THAT IS MY POSITION. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I GOT TO THE IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND I GUESS I WANTED TO PROVIDE CLARITY ON WHY THERE WAS SO MUCH COD ARMED THIS AREA AND THAT'S BECAUSE THESE AREAERIZE IN THE LAKE OVAL TREE WATERSHED. THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE LAKE OVAL TREE WATERSHED. THIS PARTICULAR OVERLAY COULD BE REALIZED OUTSIDE THE CITY AND THE JURISDICTION WITHOUT ANNEXING IN AND REZONING THE COD.
>> I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP WITH ONE QUESTION. SO THIS IS NOT INSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARIES A WHAT YOU
THIS IS NOT. >> AND WAS IT ORIGINALLY AND IT IT PULLED ON PURPOSE?
>> IT WAS PARTIALLY IN THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY I THINK A PART TO THE EAST AND ONE PART WAS -- IT WAS PULLED OUT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID WE DO NOT -- AUBURN IS IN A POSITION WHERE WE NO LONGER HAVE TO GROW GEOGRAPHICALLY TO GROW FROM A
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POPULATION STANDPOINT. WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE IN FILL DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE DENSITY GO IN KIND OF OTHER AREAS, AND SO GROWING SPATIALALLY LY WAS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM. SO THERE WERE CONTRACTIONS IN DIFFERENT DIFFERENT AREAS, CONTRACTIONS PAST HIGHWAY 14 ON WILLIS TURK AND ALSO OUT HERE BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE ANNEXATIONS BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE THINGS PART OF THE FUTURE LAND USE UPDATE OF REALLY INCENTIVIZING IN FILL DEVELOPMENT AND GETTING AWAY FROM ENCOURAGING LARGE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PERIPHERY THAT WE'VE SEEN. WE'VE SEEN AN UPTICK IN A LOT OF THE RURAL SUBDIVISIONS.>> AND THE CITY IS NOT PROVIDING WATER AND SEWER IN THAT AREA?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S NO WATER OR SEWER AVAILABLE THROUGH THE CITY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO STAFF?
>> YES. SO YOU SAID THAT THEY CAN SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY BY RIGHT TO 1- ACRE LOTS. DOES THE CITY OF AUBURN HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE ANY UTILITIES FOR THEM WITHOUT THEM BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY?
>> NO. THE WATER BOARD NOR THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE ANY SERVICE TO ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT
LET ME SAY THIS. IF, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, IF THEY WISH TO PLAT THIS, THEN IT WILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE US,
CORRECT? >> YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND I GUESS THE DIFFERENCE ON PLATS, I MEAN PLATS ARE -- THEY MEET THE STARPTSER STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED, AND SO WE'D HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND. AND IF THEY SENT US A PLAT FOR 320 -- 320 LOTS AND THEY MET ALL OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, WE'D HAVE TO APPROVE.
>> THIS DOES NOT MEET THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT RULES.
>> NO. AND, LIKE I SAID, THE MAIN PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE THE LAKE OVAL TREE WATERSHED. AND I GUESS ALSO THE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE EXHIBIT, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT WAS -- WE TALKED ABOUT THAT -- SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RETHEY'RE OUT OUR STANCE ON THIS TONIGHT. YOU CAN TELL THAT THEY CLUSTERED THE LOTS KIND OF AROUND THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT AROUND THE -- THE PRESERVATION AREAS, THOSE CONSERVATION AREAS.
CONSERVATION SUBDIVISIONS REQUIRE A SITE WALK. THEY REQUIRE A CONCEPT PLAN.
THEY REQUIRE EXTENSIVE STAFF REVIEW ON THE FRONT END BEFORE THERE IS EVEN A SUBMISSION OF A PLAT. AND SO WE HAD THE MEETING WHERE WE KIND OF INFORMED THEM OF THAT. HEY, HERE'S THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF THIS, HERE'S THE THINGS YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE REDONE.
YOU'VE GOT PRIMARY CONSERVATION AREAS INSIDE THE LOTS. THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE CHANGES AND THEN CLUSTER LOTS AROUND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT REALLY A CONSIDERATION HERE. SO WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING DOES NOT COMPLY, AND ALSO THIS JUST KIND OF THE INTENT OF THE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION WAS INTENDED TO PROTECT THE LAKE OVAL TREE WATERSHED, NOT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO REALIZE THEY THE WEIGH OUT LOT MINIMUMS TO INCREASE DENSITY.
>> ALL RIGHT, THIS DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PREZONING OF ODOM CREEK ESTATES.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES, AND DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN.
AND PLEASE WHEN YOU COME UP STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR
ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU. GLENN. I LIVE ON 8975 TERRA LANE.
OUR SUBDIVISION IS A SUBDIVISION OF ABOUT 19, 3- ACRE LOT ESTATES WITHIN THE RURAL CITY OF AUBURN.
AND OUR STREET IS ONLY ABOUT A HALF MILE LONG AND IT CURRENTLY SERVES ONLY OUR RESIDENTS.
SO MY HOME IS ONE OF THE TWO LOTS AT THE END OF OUR STREET ADJACENT TO THE ODOM CREEK DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS MANY HERE TODAY. IF Y'ALL CAN STAND UP SO YOU CAN SEE OUR POPULATION HERE TONIGHT. AND ALSO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPRESS DISAPPOINTMENT IN THE FACT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WASN'T NOTIFIED OF THIS HEARING TONIGHT WITH ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE. THE ONLY WAY WE KNEW IS TWO LETTERS WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT TOUCHED
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THE PROPERTY, AND THAT WAS JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND, ABOUT FOUR DAYS AGO.SO A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE NOTICE THAT WE GOT TO PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING. WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR GROWTH, WE ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PLAN TO USE OUR STREETS AS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE INTO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. FIRST OF ALL, TRAFFIC SAFETY. A SUBDIVISION OF 100 HOMES WOULD GENERATE WELL OVER 1,000 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY. AND BASED ON THE INITIAL DESIGN ABOUT 80% OF THOSE WOULD COME DOWN OUR STREET TO GET TO THOSE HOMES. OUR STREET WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO HANDLE THAT KIND OF VOLUME. OUR STREET HAS NO SIDEWALKS.
IT HAS SEVERAL ELEVATION CHANGES AND BLIND CURVES.
IN FACT, THE FIRST HALF OF OUR STREET ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE CURBS ON THEM AS WELL. SO ADDING THIS LEVEL OF TRAFFIC CREATES SERIOUS RISKS FOR OUR PEDESTRIANS THAT CYCLE AND WALK AND CHILDREN WHO PLAY ON THE STREET. IT WOULD BE VERY DANGEROUS FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TO BE COMING THROUGH OUR STREET THAT WASN'T DESIGNED FOR THAT PURPOSE. SECOND, INFRASTRUCTURE AND DESIGN REGULATIONS. I'LL JUST MENTION A FEW OF THESE. AUBURN SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS REQUIRE SAFE AND ADEQUATE ACCESS. USING IT AS A MAIN ENTRANCE PLACE IS AN UNFAIR BURDEN ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS OF SAFE CIRCULATION. INITIALLY, THE SUPPORT FOR SEPTIC TANKS ON 1-ACRE LOTS SEEMS TO GO AGAINST AUBURN SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. WE ALL HAVE 3- ACRE LOTS AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO SO FOR SEPTIC TANK USE WITHIN THE CITY. IT SEEMS AS IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ATTEMPTING TO USE UNDEVELOPED GREEN SPACE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY LIMITS TO SOMEHOW CIRCUMVENT THESE REGULATIONS IN OUR EYES.
MANY RESIDENTS EXPERIENCE SEPTIC TANK ISSUES CURRENTLY EVEN ON OUR PROPERTY WITH THOSE 3- ACRE LOTS. ACCORDING TO THE USDA SOIL WEBSITE THE SOIL RATINGS IS LISTED AS VERY LIMITED. THE DEFINITION INDICATES THE SOIL HAS ONE OR MOE OF THE FEATURES THAT ARE UNFAVORABLE FOR THE SEPTIC USE. THIS LIMITATION GENERALLY CANNOT BE OVERCOME WITHOUT MAJOR SOIL RECLAMATIONS, SPECIAL DESIGN OROR REGULATION PROCEDURES.
POOR PERFORMANCE AND HIGH MAINTENANCE CAN BE EXPECTED. THAT'S A QUOTE FROM THE USDA'S WEBSITE ON THE SOIL OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WITH THIS SOIL RATING LEVEL AND THE REDUCTION TO THE 1- ACRE LOT SIZES, WE DON'T SEE HOW THIS LAND WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND SEPTIC TANK USE. FINALLY, BASED ON THE CITY OF AUBURN'S INTERACTIVE GROWTH MODEL IN THE CITY'S MOST RECENT COMP PLAN 2030 DOCUMENT, THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS DOCUMENT FOLLOWS OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY SCENARIOS, AS Y'ALL HAVE DISCUSSED. MEETING OF THIS LOCATION WAS SEEN AS AN UNDESIRABLE LOCATION TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY AT THE TIME BASED ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CITY SERVICES BEING ADEQUATE TO SUPPORT IT. IN FACT, THE CITY OF AUBURN ANNEXATION POLICY ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 3 SAYS THE PROPERTY PROPOSED FOR ANNEXATION SHOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY DEFINED AS APPROPRIATE FOR THE ANNEXATION IN COMP PLAN 2030. SO JUST WITH THAT SAID ALONE, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE GO THROUGH THE EFFORT OF CREATING AN OPTIMAL ZONING IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADHERE TO IT WHEN WE ANNEX THE PROPERTY. SO BASED ON THESE FACTS WE'RE ASKING THE DEVELOPMENT AND PREZONING OF THE COD NOT BE APPROVED. IF THIS AGENDA ITEM DOES HAPPEN TO BE APPROVED, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION REQUIRE THE DEVELOPMENT -- THE DEVELOPER TO DESIGN AN ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE THAT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO A COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL ROAD RATHER THAN FLOWING ALL TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION. AT THE MINIMUM WE WOULD ASK FOR A FORMAL TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO EVALUATE THE RISK AND ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH AUBURN'S HOME STANDARDS. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH.
>> EXCUSE ME, YOU'RE OUT OF TIME. I'M SORRY.
>> MY NAME IS SHANNON WEAVER. 8897.
I WILL LIVE THERE COME FEBRUARYFEBRUARY YEARS. MY MAIN CONCERN ALSO IS SAFETY.
ABOUT THE EXPONENTIAL INCREASE IN TRAFFIC 400 TO 500% OVER WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR RESIDENTS AND MAILBOXES. MORE ON THAT LATER.
I'M ONE OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS THAT WALK -- WALK MY DOGS. AND THE ROAD FOLLOWS THE NATURAL
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TERRAIN. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS NOT BULLDOZED.THERE'S CURVES. THERE'S STEEPNESS.
AND THE WORD LANE, VERY APT. TERRA LANE.
IT MAY NOT BE CLEAR FROM THE E- PACKET, BUT LIKE HE SAID, WE DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS. SO THE SAFETY OF THOSE WALKING THEIR DOGS, PUSHING STROLLERS, CHILDREN RIDING BICYCLES IS VERY MUCH OF A CONCERN OF MINE.
AND I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU REZONE AND ANNEX EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUBLICPUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT. AS MENTIONED BY GLENN, THE CITY IS OUTSIDE THE 23 MASTER PLAN OUTER BOUNDS. IT BEARS REPEATING BUT I WILL NOT BELABOR IT, THE SOILS ON THE PROPERTY HAVE POTENTIAL LIMITATIONS FOR SEPTIC TANK ABSORPTION FIELDS COMPOUNDED BY THE SMALL LOT SIZES, WHICH REALLY LIMITS THE DESIGN OF THOSE PLANS.
AND IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE EXPERIENCES AND WISH WE HAD TIME TO GO INTO THEM, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY COSTLY PROBLEMS AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
AND I HAVE PERSONALLY WALKED, NOT LATELY, THANK GOODNESS, BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS FIX PROBLEMS WHEN THEY OCCUR, BUT I HAVE SMELLED RAW SEWAGE WHEN WALKING IN THE WET SEASON. IF THEY'RE NOT DENIED OUTRIGHT BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, I ASK THE DECISION ON THE PETITION BE POSTPONED AND STUDIED IN MORE DETAIL TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE IMPACTS. I'VE LIVED IN THE AUBURN- OPE LIKE LAW AREA SINCE 1992, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE EVER HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS OF MOVING.
WE HAD THAT FIRST CONVERSATIONCONVERSATION LEARNING THAT OUR HUMBLE TERRA LANE MIGHT BE A TRAFFIC ARTERY FOR LOGGING, CONSTRUCTION, AND UP TO 1,000 VEHICLES PER DAY. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER.
I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER. I'M A LEVEL 4 CERTIFIED CONSERVATION PLANNER WITH 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE -- OVER 30 YEARS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS NO WAY THAT TERRA LANE SHOULD BE USED AS A THOROUGHFARE FOR THAT MUCH TRAFFIC. ALSO, WE CAN SURELY EXPECT SOME SIGNIFICANT LEECH 8, SEPTIC TANK LEECH 8 FROM SOME OF THE PROPOSED LOTS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. I REALLY DO. THE HARD DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE EACH MONTH AND ALSO LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS.
MY NAME IS MARY BETH WOLF. I HAVE LIVED IN THE ADJOINING PROPERTY -- IT IS GREEN ON THAT MAP -- FOR 24 YEARS. WE HAVE HAD FOUR TO FIVE REPAIRS AND EXTENSIONS TO OUR HUMBLE LITTLE SEPTIC TANK IN THAT TIME. THERE ARE THREE IN OUR FAMILY.
SEWAGE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM OUT HERE.
THE LEECHES IS A HUGE PROBLEM. I HAVE A HORTICULTURE BACKGROUND WITH GRADUATE DEGREE COURSES IN WATER RUNOFF. WHEN I TELL YOU THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY, I COULDN'T BE ANYMORE SINCERE.
I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THAT PROPERTY BEING DEVELOPED IN ANY WAY. I DO ASK THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT, THAT IT IS DONE IN A WAY THAT INCORPORATES IT WITH THE REST OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THIS IS NOT THIS ---- THIS IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THAT WHATSOEVER. YOU HEARD NO SIDEWALKS, WE ALL HAVE SEPTIC TANK PROBLEMS ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE REENGINEERED.
YOU NEED TO BE SOIL STUDIES OUT THERE BEFORE THIS IS ALLOWED ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU IN THE LAST TWO YEARS YOU APPROVED A SUBDIVISION OF OUR PROPERTY.
IT IS 21 ACRES. YOU APPROVED IT ON THE BASIS THAT IT WAS 3 ACRES OR MORE.
YOU WOULD NOT APPROVE US ANY OTHER WAY.
WE WERE DENIED ANY OTHER WAY, WHICH WAS THE CORRECT ANSWER. YOU COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE CORRECT ON THAT. I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE STICK WITH THAT ANSWER WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US. THAT PROPERTY IS IDENTICAL TO OURS. I'VE WALKED IT. OUR DOGS HAVE GONE MISSING. WE'VE TRIED TO GET THEM BACK. OUR NEIGHBORS DOGS HAVE GONE MISSING. WE HAVE SEEN THIS PROPERTY. IT IS EXACTLY LIKE OURS.
IF YOU DON'T DO 3 ACRES ON THAT, THE RUNOFF, THE SEDIMENTATION, THE EROSION IS GOING TO BE UNREAL. WE HAD TO HIRE A COMPANY THAT
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WORKED WITH ODOM TO EVEN DECIDE WHAT SIZE THEY NEED TO BE. THE SMALLEST OF OURS IS 4.7.THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES. THAT'S WHAT ODOM WANTED, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED. WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE WITH THAT EXACT SAME MIND-SET. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PASS IT, I JUST WOULD ASK YOU PASS IT BASED ON THOSE 3 ACRES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
GROWTH WILL HAPPEN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S VERY, VERY EASY TO COLLECT FROM AREAS LIKE THIS THE TAXES, THE INCOME.
BUT THAT ENTRYWAY INTO BEL TERRA, THAT BURDEN IS UNREAL.
YOU HAVE TAKEN 77 LOTS AND PUT THEM JUST ON THAT PROPERTY.
IN WHAT WORLD WOULD THAT BE FAIR? WOULD YOU BE HAPPY IF THERE WERE TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE SUBDIVISIONS PROPOSED? ONE OF THEM HAD 17 TO 19 HOMES, AND THE OTHER ONE HAD 77. YET YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION SIGN WENT ON THE FURTHER ONE OUT. SO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BELL TERRA, THEY COULDN'T DRIVE BY THAT SIGN. THEY WEREN'T NOTIFIED.
THAT'S UNREAL. THAT COULDN'T BE MORE UNFAIR TO US AS CIVILIANS. I JUST ASK THAT YOU WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER THAT THIS NOT BE ANY LESS THAN 3 ACRES.
AND PLEASE CONSIDER THAT THESE -- THESE WATERWAYS, THIS EROSION, THIS RUNOFF, IT IS A PROBLEM. IF YOU WANT YOU'RE WELCOME ON MY PROPERTY AT ANY TIME. YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE PUT A ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE TRY TO DO ANY OF THIS WORK.
THIS IS NOT THE RED CLAY SOIL THAT MOST OF AUBURN HAS.
THIS IS A SANDY, SILTY MESS. WE HAVE WET WEATHER SPRINGSSPRINGS HAVE DESTROYED OUR OWN PERSONAL DRIVEWAY. THIS IS -- THIS IS THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE PROPOSAL I HAVE EVER SEEN TO PUT 1- ACRE LOTS. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE STAYING OUT OF THE WETLANDS. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY IN GENERAL BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE VALUE.
THAT PROPERTY DOES HAVE VALUE, BUT IT HAS VALUE WITH LESS DENSITY. THIS PLAN, IT'S FAR TOOTOO -- IT'S LIKE WE DID WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND WE WORKED EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS WORKS. THAT'S NOT THE WAY -- WOULD SEE THIS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?
>> HELLO, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JANET BELL.
I HAVE A HOME ON TERRA LANE, 8830 TERRA LANE.
AND I'M LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS THAT IT'S OUR FAULT WE CHOSE TO LIVE ON THE PERIPHERAL OF LEE COUNTY. I HAVE A HOME SOME OF YOU MIGHT NOW, A SECOND HOME SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW HERE IN AUBURN ON RICHLAND ROAD.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHERE RICHLAND ROAD IS.
IT TOOK US 30 MINUTES TO JUST TRAVERSE A SMALL AREA OF THE RICHLAND ROAD AREA. YOU HAVE MASSIVE BUILDINGS BEHIND THERE. SO SOME OF US HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO LIVE IN A MAJOR SUBDIVISION. WE LIVE THERE SOMETIMES.
I HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT LIVES IN THAT HOME, TOO.
AND I'VE BEEN VERY THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION WITH 19 HOMES. WE DO HAVE SEPTIC TANK PROBLEMS, AND, OH, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING WHEN IT'S CHRISTMAS WEEK. AND ALL OF OUR 19 HOMES HAVE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE IN THEM. WE HAVE NO WATER.
WE HAVE NO HOT WATER, AND WE HAVE NO WATER PRESSURE.
IT GOES TO MAYBE 25% WATER PRESSURE BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER A DIFFERENT WATER SYSTEM.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BURDEN THIS AREA WITH AN OVERRUN OF WAY TOO MANY HOMES, AND EVEN ANYMORE HOMES, AND I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW WE'LL BE SERVICED THERE AS HOME OWNERS. AND SO, YES, IT'S A NICE AREA.
SO WAS THE COTS WALLS AT ONE POINT ON RICHLAND ROAD, AND YOU HAVE OVERDEVELOPED THAT.
WE'VE OWNED PROPERTY HERE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. THIS CITY HAS BEEN WAY OVERDEVELOPED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH ALL THIS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TAX MONEY THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN FROM ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S AMAZING, QUITE FRANKLY.
BUT YOU HAVE DEFINITELY NOT PUT THE HOMEOWNER, THE
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CONSERVATION OF THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY, THE CHARM QUITE GONE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MASTER PLAN. MY SON ATTENDED HERE. HE SOMEWHAT WAS INVOLVED EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN HE WORKED AS A PLAINSMAN.HE WAS INVOLVED IN LISTENING, AND THEY WERE ASKED ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD SEE AS A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
BUT THERE'S -- THERE'S NO REAL CONCERN FOR WHAT HAPPENS OTHER THAN LET'S SEE HOW DENSE WE CAN MAKE IT, AND LET'S SEE HOW MUCH MORE MONEY WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS SMALL LAND SPACE CALLED LEE COUNTY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO
ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID RAY.
SO I'M -- I MAY BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CHAPEL HEIGHTS. WE ACTUALLY OWN THE HOME THAT IS DIRECTLY -- IT'S 9040 CHAPEL HEIGHTS DRIVE, WHICH IS THE LAST HOUSE ON THE CUL-DE- SAC BEFORE THE PROPOSED ENTRYWAY TO THE NEW SUBDIVISION. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL THE TECHNICAL THINGS WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE ISSUES A LOT OF THESE CITIZENS HAVE COME UP HERE AND PROFESSED, WHICH I AGREE 100%. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE -- WE LOVE AUBURN. WE HAVE A DAUGHTER AT AUBURN. I'VE GOT A SON I'M GOING TO MOVE UP HERE AND PUT IN AUBURN. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED A LONG TIME IN A CAREER, AND SO I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, AND IT WAS -- IT WASN'T EASY. AND WE PICKED OUT A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 26 HOMES. AND WE PICKED OUT A LOT AND WE CHOSE A BUILDER. AND AS THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT WE PUT SCRIPTURE ON EVERY ROOM, ON EVERY STUD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE. WE WANTED TO RAISE OUR GRANDCHILDREN IN A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS GOING TO BE QUIET AND SAFE.
AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DUMP TRUCKS AND MATERIAL TRUCKS AND MORE VEHICLES DOWN THAT QUIET SUBDIVISION, IT JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. AND I KNOW I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL MY -- MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE'RE THAT CLOSE. WE TALK ALL THE TIME.
WE MEET ALL THE TIME. WE DO THINGS TOGETHER.
WE ARE A CLOSE- KNIT, SMALL RESIDENT. SO I'M AGAINST IT. I'M AGAINST THE ROAD GOING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I AM QUITE A LITTLE -- YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE. BUT IT AFFECTS ALL OF US.
IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE TRAFFIC FOR THE SCHOOLS.
BACK IN 2022 THERE WAS ALREADY AN ISSUE WITH A CONCERN WITH TRAFFIC WITH THE SCHOOLS, AND THIS IS GOING TO ADD MORE.
SO I JUST REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT THIS FROM ALL DIRECTIONS AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE MOVED HERE FOR A REASON, AND WE CHOSE THAT SUBDIVISION FOR A REASON.
AND WE WORK HARD TO PAY FOR THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS, TO BE IN THAT TYPE OF SUBDIVISION. I SAID I'D KEEP IT SHORT.
>> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN.
NEXT. >> MY NAME IS JAMES COX. 8636 TERRA LANE. MY NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, BUT I JUST WANT TO CALL OUT THAT IF YOU GO TO THE AUBURN CITY WEBSITE, TERRA LANE AND CHAPEL HEIGHTS IN THIS PROPOSED AREA DO SHOW UP UNDER THE SAME WATERSHED.
AND I KNOW IN THE PLANNING DOCUMENTS IT CALLS OUT A DIFFERENT WATERSHED, BUT THE WEBSITE CALLS THAT WHOLE AREA THE SAME WATERSHED, SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
>> ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, SEEING NO ONE ELSE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD THE APPLICANT -- IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO
I'M SURE Y'ALL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE ONES THAT --
>> PLEASE ADDRESS THE ONES FROM THE
PUBLIC. >> AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT.
SO I GUESS KIND OF THE -- I THINK WE KIND OF DEVIATED.
SO I GUESS HOW WE'VE BEEN HANDLING KIND OF PUBLIC HEARINGS WE'VE BEEN HAVING APPLICANTS -- I KNOW YOU HAVE -- WE HAVE SLIDES FROM YOU ALL THAT
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YOU ALL SUBMITTED.I GUESS -- UNFORTUNATELY, I GUESS HE NEEDS TO SPEAK TOWARDS THE QUESTIONS. AND I GUESS IT'S FINE IF YOU GUYS ASK HIM QUESTIONS. YOU JUST CAN'T KIND OF DEVIATE OFF OFOF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO RAISE, WALKER? ALL GOOD. OKAY, SO, YEAH. I'M SORRY, DANIEL, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.
AND IF YOU DO NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF YOUR SLIDES, WE HAVE THOSE READY TO GO FOR YOU.
>> BUT RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FROM --
>> BUT I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO
DO. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, RIGHT?
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SEPTIC
TANKS. >> I THINK THERE'S A TECHNICALITY WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS FROM EVERYONE. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT. HAPPY TO -- I'LL PIVOT A LITTLE BIT AND HAPPY TO HONOR THAT. JUST TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW AND LET Y'ALL ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE PURSUING THIS PROPERTY IS KNOWING THE LANDOWNER INVESTED IN THIS PROPERTY AND HAS A DESIRE TO DEVELOP IT. AND I'M SURE MOST EVERYBODY KNOWS HERE I'M -- MY PERSONAL FARM IS ONLY ONE PARCEL AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY. SO AS A BUILDER AND DEVELOPER, I KNOW A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND TRY TO KEEP TABS ON THAT STUFF. AND HONESTLY SHARE SOME OF THE SAME FEELINGS AND I THINK SENTIMENT THAT A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORS DO AND LOOK FORWARD TO REACHING OUT. WE WROTE EVERY ONE OF THEIR NAMES DOWN AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE GOING WITH THIS CONSERVATION OVERLAY AND TRYING TO PRESERVE UP TO TWO- THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY UNTOUCHED.
LOT OF WHAT WE ARE DENYING EVEN ON OTHER PROJECTS IT MEANS YOU'RE NOT MASS GRADING, NOT CLEARING TREES.
IT MEANS TWO- THIRDS OF THIS REMAINS UNTOUCHED.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THIS IS A JUST A ZONING REQUEST AND THAT WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THE PLAT PHASE WHEN WE COME BACK FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND HAVE TO ADJUST SOME OF THAT STUFF TO FINE TUNE IT FOR THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THE 1- ACRE LOTS IS BY CHOICE SO THAT THE OTHER 2 ACRES OF WHAT WOULD BE A 3- ACRE LOT -- MINIMUM LOT CAN BE UNPRESERVED INSTEAD OF PLATTED AS PART OF THE LOT.
AND THERE'LL BE OVER 200 -- RIGHT AROUND 200 ACRES OF THIS 360 PUT INTO CONSERVATION. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, REALLY THE ONLY SLIDE I WANTED TO SHOW WAS A COUPLE PICTURES OF SOME HOUSES THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE PRODUCT AND STYLE WE FORESEE OUT HERE.
NATIONAL THE GENTLEMAN'S NEIGHBOR ACTUALLY LIVES DJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY IN CHAPEL HEIGHTS, SO WE HAVE A GREAT
RELATIONSHIP. >> I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE. YOU'RE NOT HERE TO SELL HOMES.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TALK ABOUT THE -- THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT. SO IF WE CAN GET BACK TO THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE
APPROPRIATE. >> AND SO, ULTIMATELY, THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY ALLOWS US TO COME IN AND DO LESS DENSITY. IT'S REALLY THE SAME DENSITY IF YOU DID 3- ACRE LOTS JUST ON ONE- THIRD OF THE PROPERTY. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS. >> ARE YOU AWARE THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DOES NOT FIT THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY
DESIGNATIONS? >> WE UNDERSTAND THE TECHNICALITY, AND LIKE I SAID THIS IS NOT A PRELIMINARY PLAT PHASE, SO THESE ARE NOT THE FINAL PLAT LINES, AND WE KNOW WE NEED TO TWEAK SOME OF THAT STUFF AFTER TALKING WITH STAFF AND MAKING US AWARE OF THAT.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT DURING THE PLATTING PHASE.
WE'RE CONFIDENT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT WITH 360 ACRES.
>> ARE YOU -- LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE CONNECTION.
BECAUSE IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO THE MAP, NOT -- YES, THAT ONE. IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME YOU'RE LANDLOCKED EXCEPT FOR USING TERRA LANE OR CHAPEL HEIGHTS.
UNLESS YOU CAN GET OUT TO LEE ROAD 27.
CAN YOU GET OUT TO LEE ROAD 27?
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>> AND SO WHAT WAS THE PLAN FORFOR CONSTRUCTION? WHERE'S CONSTRUCTION? TERRA LANE AND CHAPEL HEIGHTS?
>> YES, SIR. USE OF ONE OF THOSE TWO RIGHT-OF-WAYS. THESE ARE MILLION DOLLAR PLUS HOMES, SO YOU'RE TALKING 8 TO 12 PER YEAR IS WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE.
>> WELL, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE ROADS, NOT THE HOMES AT THIS TIME. SO YOU PLANNED ON USING THE PUBLIC STREETS YOU PLANNED ON USING THE PUBLIC STREETS THAT ARE THERE
TO GETTING -- >> EVEN AFTER THE HOMES ARE BUILT? EVEN AFTER THE HOMES ARE BUILT THERE YOU WOULD HAVE PEOPLE, THE NEW RESIDENTS GO THROUGH TERRA LANE AND CHAPEL HEIGHTS DRIVE TO GET
YOU. >> CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE RAISED ABOUT THE SOIL EROSION, SEPTIC TANKS, ALL THAT?
>> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. THEY ARE CORRECT IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SOIL ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, AND SO WHEN THE HOMES ARE BUILT THAT WILL COMPLY WITH STATE REGULATIONS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF SOME QUESTIONS. AND THAT IS ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IF THEY DECIDE TO CONSTRUCT ON THIS, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH TERRA LANE AND CHAPEL HEIGHTS CREEK?
YEAH. >> I MEAN, THOSE STREETS CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT-OF- WAYS SO WHENEVER THEY REPLY THE INTENT WAS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THIS REQUIREMENT WOULD TRIP THE REQUIREMENT TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. SO IF IT WAS IN THE SITD CITY AND THEY DID DEVELOP IT WITH THE SIMILAR LOTS THEY'RE SHOWING, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A TRAFFIC
ANALYSIS. >> AND AS A RESULT OF THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE LET'S WIDEN TERRA LANE AND CHAPEL HILL AND
ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? >> THERE'S ALWAYS THE POTENTIAL WHEN A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS DONE.
IT DEPENDS ON THE CAPACITY OF THE STREET, AND LIKE MENTIONED THERE WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY PLAT DONE AFTER THIS. SO AS WE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES NOTED, IT'S LIKELY THE CONFIGURATION WOULD CHANGE BECAUSE WE'VE MADE COMMENTS AS WELL EVEN STUBBING THEIR STREETS OUT TO THE SOUTH AND WEST. BUT THERE'S OTHER ASPECTS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT SO --
>> ARE THERE ANY PLANS IN THIS AREA FOR -- YOU HAVE A ROAD. THERE'S A ROAD PLAN THAT'S OUT THERE. SO OVER TIME AS THIS AREA STARTS TO GROW SOME, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY FOR OTHER ACCESS POINT.
>> PART OF THE REASON THIS IS AN OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, SO WE'RE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THAT.
>> RIGHT NOW THE ANSWER IS YOU CAN HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS AND THAT'S
IT. >> MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHETHER IT'S ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OR NOT, WE'LL STILL -- IF THEY DESIRE TO STILL DEVELOP IT, THE PLAT WOULD COME BEFORE US.
LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE WATER. IS THERE WATER PROVIDED OUT TO THIS AREA?
>> SO THE WATER IS NOT PROVIDED. ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY WILL HAVE TO MEET THE CITY FIRE CODES. SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO WHAT THEY CAN OFFER AS FAR AS VOLUMES GO, BUT ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE CITY FIRE CODE.
>> ALL RIGHT. AND LET'S TALK ABOUT SEPTIC BECAUSE I DO KNOW ABOUT SEPTIC MYSELF. AND THE STATE OF ALABAMA, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS WHAT APPROVES THE SEPTIC, NOT US.
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AND HOW SMALL OF A LOT CAN YOU HAVE IF PUBLIC WATER IS AVAILABLE? FOR THE STATE OF ALABAMA TO APPROVE IT?>> SO I GUESS THAT -- FOR OTHER REASONS WE'RE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT IT'S RIGHT AROUND 15,000 SQUARE FEET. SO IT'S REALLY SMALL.
IT'S REALLY UP TO THE QUALITY OF THE SYSTEM YOU GET ENGINEERED. AND OUR SUBDIVISION REGS -- OUR SUBDIVISION REGS MANDATE 1 ACRE, BUT IF THERE'S PUBLIC ORDER AVAILABLE THE MINIMUM DOES DROP DOWN TO 15,000- SQUARE
LOT. >> SO OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS DO SET THE MINIMUM AT 1 ACRE. THAT IS OUTSIDE THE RURAL ZONE OR CONSERVATION OF RURAL 8 DISTRICT, IS THAT
CORRECT? >> YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I GUESS PART OF THIS JUST KIND OF FROM AN ANALYSIS STANDPOINT AND JUST KIND OF REVIEW STANDPOINT, SO ZONING ACTIONS DON'T TRIGGER THAT LEVEL OF SCRUTINY ON THE STAFF SIDE. PRELIMINARY PLATS DO.
AND SO ESPECIALLY A PRELIMINARY PLAT LIKE THIS, AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE STARTED TO ENCOUNTER A LOT MORE JUST KIND OF RECENTLY WHERE FOLKS ARE KIND OF PUSHING OUT TO THE PERIPHERY, AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO BIGGER SUBDIVISIONS OUT ON THE PERIPHERY. AND OUR ISSUE -- I GUESS NOT ISSUES PER SE, BUT WHERE THE CITY DOESN'T PROVIDE WATER AND THESE OTHER RURAL WATER SERVICES, THERE'S A LOT MORE QUESTIONS WE THEN HAVE TO ANSWER THAT THEN Y'ALL ARE TASKED WITH VERIFIED ON THE STAFF SIDE. WE HAVE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH OTHER PLACES IN PROXIMITY TO SAND HILL ROAD BEING ABLE TO MEET PRESUPPRESSION.
BUT FROM A SITUATION ABOUT SEWER, YOU KNOW, LEACHING, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, THOSE THINGS WOULD BE EXAMINED BY STAFF KIND OF AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT LEVEL, AND THOSE COMMENTS -- LIKE I SAID IN THIS SITUATION WHERE THERE ISN'T A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ISN'T AN AGREEMENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE WOULD BE THINGS THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SCRUTINY ON THOSE BEFORE Y'ALL EVEN SAW THE PLAT KIND OF DEAL. SO FROM THE PRE- APLEVEL -- FROM THE PRE-AP STEP OF THE PROCESS TO THEM MAKING THERE WOULD BE A LOT TO HIT BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE BAKED INTO -- BAKED INTO BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS WITH THE OTHER AGREEMENTS TAKEN CARE OF.
IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE ANSWERED BY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THAT'S A SITUATION ON THE STAFF SIDE WE'D HAVE A LOT MORE ANSWERS FOR YOU WHERE WE SPEAK TO WE'RE NOT CONFIDENT IN THE FIRE ACTION, BUT LIKE I SAID THE ZONING REQUEST DOES NOT TRIGGER THAT ACTION FROM
STAFF. >> ANYMORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?
>> I GUESS I DID FORGET TO MENTION, SO I KNOW IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS ROUTINELY COME OUT AND STRESS ABOUT -- I THINK THE LAST MEETING PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC NOT BEING USED ON THE ROAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE OF THE THINGS STAFF DOES STRESS, THIS IS KIND OF THAT DUALITY OF CONNECTIVITY.
IT'S NOT THAT THIS WAS MALICIOUSLY STUBBED OUT.
IT WAS STUBBED OUT WITH INTENT IT WOULD BE HARD FOR SOMEONE TO REALIZE TO BUY AN EASEMENT, BUILD A ROAD THROUGH SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TO GET TO SOCIETY HILL ROAD. CHAPEL HEIGHTS ROAD AND TERRA LANE, IF THERE WERE OTHER ROADS ON THE SIDE OF THEM AND THEY'D RUN INTO CUL-DE- SACS AND HAVE TO STUB OUT IN OTHER PLACES. I GUESS I DID WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE TOPICS PEOPLE TALK ABOUT A LOT TRYING TO REFUSE CONNECTIVITY AND PUSHING FOR CUL-DE- SACS FOR THAT. BUT AS YOU GUYS SEE ON THE CHAPEL HILL, THE ONE THAT'S STUBBED OUT TO THE EAST THERE ON THE MIDDLE OF CHAPEL HEIGHTS DRIVE, THE CONNECTIVITY WE DO MANDATE ON THE STAFF SIDE, AND IT'S NOT BY ACCIDENT.
>> ANYMORE QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU I NEED A MOTION FOR THE PRE- ZONING OF
ODOM CREEK ESTATES. >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE CASE RZ-2025- 027 ODOM CREEK ESTATES
SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A
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>> ODOM CREEK ESTATES ANNEXATION.
THIS IS THE ANNEXATION SIDE OF IT, SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY MAP. SO OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY, AND I GUESS, LIKE I SAID, THAT DOESN'T PROHIBIT DEVELOPMENT OF IT. IT'S JUST IF THERE'S A PLENARY PLAT IT WOULD COME TO THIS BOARD. THERE'S SOME COMMENTS IN THE ANNEXATION AS YOU CAN SEE DISTANCE OF SERVICES FROM EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME TO ANIMAL CONTROL TO -- I GUESS FOR PEOPLE OUT THERE I IMAGINE WHO LIVE ON 3- PLUS ACRES IT MAY NOT BE THAT RELEVANT THAT THEY DON'T LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OR SOMETHING TO A PARK.
BUT LIKE I SAID JUST THE CLOSEST PARK REALLY FAR AWAY, AND THEN THE NUISANCE OF AUBURN CITY SCHOOLS, LIKE I SAID THEY'LL PROVIDE INFORMATION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT PRETTY MUCH THEY HAVE A STANDING OPINION OF BEING OPPOSED TO EXTENSIONS OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY PRETTY MUCH, SO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I THINK KIND OF FROM AN ANNEXATION SIDE LIKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED AND JUST STAFF REPORT REFERENCES, IF IT IS OUTSIDE THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY IT SHOULD NOT BE ANNEXED.
LIKE I SAID THERE'S AN EMPHASIS AND I THINK VERY THEMATIC WHERE WE ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF AUBURN OF REALLY GETTING -- REALLY KIND OF EMPHASIZING GROWING WITHOUT HAVING TO GROW SPATIALLY, REALLY KIND OF FOCUSING ON IN- FILL DEVELOPMENT.
>> SO I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CORN READ HERE FROM THIS STANDPOINT. IF IT STAYS IN THE COUNTY THEY CAN DEVELOP A ROUGHLY 360 LOTS, 1- ACRE
YEP. >> IF WE ANNEX IT INTO THE CITY, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 3 ACRES.
>> YEP. >> SO THAT IS A THIRD LESS LOTS AND HOMES THAT YOU'LL GET PUT IN
>> THAT'S MAKING ME KIND OF GO, OKAY, SO WHAT'S THE WORST -- WHAT'S THE LEAST LESSER OF TWO
EVILS. >> I WOULD SAY HOWEVER MANY HOMES END UP BACK THERE WHETHER THEY WERE PLAT OR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS OR GROUP DEVELOPMENT AND THEY REALIZE DENSITY BACK THERE, THE REAL STRAIN ISN'T NECESSARILY ABOUT HOW MANY HOMES IT CAN BE BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT DELIVERING SERVICES TO IT.
AND SO THERE'S THAT -- THERE'S A NEW ROAD -- THERE'S AN EXTENSION OF THE ROAD THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
LIKE I SAID, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WOULD HAVE TO SEND BUSES OUT THERE, TRASH THAT NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S LOOKING AT THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY. THAT'S WHAT THE OPTIMAL BOUNDARY IS TELLING PEOPLE.
THIS IS REALLY THE FAR REACHES THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO PROVIDE SERVICES. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF CONTRARY TO KIND OF POPULAR BELIEF AND WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, BUT SINGLE- FAMILY HOUSING, DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IS MUCH MORE OF A DRAIN OF FAMILY SERVICES FROM A MONETARY BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN ECONOMIC
STANDPOINT. >> WOULD YOU SAY THIS IS IN THE POLICE JURISDICTION?
>> YES, IT IS IN THE POLICE JURISDICTION AND THE PLANNING
JURISDICTION. >> THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IN TERMS OF SUBDIVISION IN THIS
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR SUBDIVISION
AND SO I GUESS KIND OF THE OTHER PART OF JUST KIND OF THINKING THROUGH WHAT DENSITY COULD ACTUALLY BE REALIZED, THAT'S AN ANSWER WE WOULD THEN GET TO AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT LEVEL.
LIKE I SAID THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER PLATS IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH WATER.
THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER PRE- APPS THAT HAVE NOT MADE IT TO SUBDIVISION BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH WATERS.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE REALIZED. FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, LIKE I SAID, THERE IS NO CAP ON THAT FROM A -- IF THEY WERE JUST TO GO GROUP DEVELOPMENT AND SOMETHING IN THE COUNTY.
IF THEY CHOSE TO AND IF THEY CHOSE TO SUBDIVIDE THERE'S A REAL ACRE KIND OF DEAL. I WOULD SAY THAT'S ALMOST A FALSE NUMBER TO REALLY KIND OF FOCUS ON BECAUSE FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE REALIZED FROM SOME OF THE ISSUES SOME PEOPLE RAISED TODAY. AND FROM THE TREND OF WHAT THE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE -- WHAT THE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BEAR IN SOME OF THESE AREAS IN
TOWN. >> SO YOU MENTION LIKE THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT. YOU HAD POLICE AND FIRE, BUT THE ISSUE IS THE RESPONSE TIME, CORRECT?
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IS ON FIRE IT MAY TAKE LONGER SO IT MAY BURN DOWN BEFORE THEY CAN REACH YOU, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE , WHEN YOU SEE THE MORE RURAL PRELIMINARY PLATS ON THE PERIPHERY OF TOWN, WHEN THERE IS THE COMMENT FROM FIRE, THAT THIS MAY AFFECT FIRE INSURANCE RATES. WE CANNOT VERIFY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER OR PROXIMITY TO WATER IN TIME TO PUT YOUR HOUSE OUT OF IT CATCHES ON FIRE BUT THAT IS WHAT THAT MEANS.>> AND SO, THIS COULD ALSO BE A LIFE-AND-DEATH SITUATION?
>> CORRECT. WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION RAGS THAT GET TRIGGERED IN THE INSTANCE OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT THIS IS JUST THE ANNEXATION.
THAT IS A HEALTH AND SAFETY WELLNESS THING, WE ARE EMPOWERED
TO DENY . >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE 2025-0
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ODOM CREEK ANNEXATION. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. DANA CAMP?
>> FELIX CHANCELLOR? VANESSA ECHOLS? JENNIFER STEPHENS? OSKAR MOSLEY?
>> CAN WE TAKE A BREAK FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES?
[16. Preliminary Plat – Will Buechner Parkway - PUBLIC HEARING]
>> THAT IS CORRECT. THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE PARKWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF RICHLAND ROAD, ABOUT 159 ACRES.
THE ROAD HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT, HOWEVER, THE PORTION WITHIN THE PARCEL HAS NOT BEEN DEDICATED. THE ROAD SOUTH OF THERE HOUSE.
SO, WITH THE DEDICATION OF THE ROAD, LOTS ON THE WEST SIDE , THOSE ARE THREE LOTS THAT TOTAL 23 OR 27 ACRES, AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THIS AREA HERE, IS ABOUT 123, AND THE PROPERTY WILL BE THE FUTURE RICHLAND ROAD PARK.
>> IT'S LIKE, PARKS AND REC PARK?
>> THIS HAS A PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON WILL BUETTNER PARKWAY? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE KSP P 2025 WILL BUETTNER PARKWAY RIGHT
AWAY. >> I HAVE A MUCH NANOSECOND. ALL
THOSE IN FAVOR? ANYONE OPPOSED? >> THIS ITEM IS THE FINAL PLAT
[17. Final Plat – Will Buechner Parkway]
FOR THE SAME SUBDIVISION. THREE LOTS FOR THE DEDICATION OF WILLBUETTNER PARKWAY. >> ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT, 2025 RIGHT AWAY.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL WHO APPROVE? NEXT IS CONDITIONAL
[18. Conditional Use – 726 Harper Avenue – PUBLIC HEARING]
USE , 726 HARPER AVENUE. >> SO, YES, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FROM GMT PROPERTIES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A THREE UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 726 HARPER AVENUE, ON THE CORRIDOR REDEVELOPING DISTRICT EAST. SO, LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY, YOU CAN SEE THE
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PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BOX, PER STAFF COMMENT , THIS IS NORTH OF NORTH DEAN ROAD AND EAST GLENNIE ARE SECTION. THERE ARE ONGOING TALKS ABOUT THE ALLEY BEHIND THIS PROPERTY , CROSS ACCESS AND MAINTAINING THAT. AS WELL AS, THERE IS EXISTING ACCESS FROM THE WALGREENS, WHICH IS THIS PROPERTY HERE , TO THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL. SO, JUST LOOKING RIGHT HERE, YOU HAVE THE MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENT WITH HARPER RIGHT HERE. WE DO HAVE TWO CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL, IN THE STAFF REPORT. ONE CONDITION IS FOR THE RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE ON THE SITE PLAN TO NOT PREVENT ANY CROSS ACCESS TO THE ALLEY BEHIND, AS WELL AS A CONDITION TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING ACCESS.WITH THAT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY, THIS CONDITIONAL USE REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON HARPER AVENUE? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE ITEM CU 2025-064 .
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE HARPER AVENUE, WITH CONDITIONS , YES BUT
>> OH, WAIT, WITH CONDITIONS? >> MOVED TO APPROVE ITEM CU
2025-064 WITH CONDITIONS. >> SECOND.
>> ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANYONE OPPOSED? NEXT IS CONDITIONAL USE FROM MARCIL
[19. Conditional Use – 732 Mercer Circle – PUBLIC HEARING]
MERCER CIRCLE . >> THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR PERFORMANCE, DELISLE DEVELOPED AND LOCATED AT 732 MERCER CIRCLE, THE CORRIDOR REVEALED REDEVELOPING DISTRICT EAST. PROPOSAL IS FOR A PURPOSE OF AN OFFICE OR WORKSPACE. THEY PREVIOUSLY SOUGHT VARIANCE, BECAUSE THIS WOULD TECHNICALLY BE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS LARGER THAN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, SO IT GOT DENIED FOR THE VARIANCE AND THEY OPTED TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL USE AND DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER, IT IS NOT FUNCTIONING AS A MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT . I CAN ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. >> THIS REQUIRES THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, COME FORWARD TO COMMENT ON 732 MERCER CIRCLE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR
ADDRESS. >> LARAMIE STAFFORD, 723 MERCER CORRECTIONS ARE, 732 MERCER CIRCLE. ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A PLAN THAT YOU ALL WERE GOING TO LINK MERCER CIRCLE AND PATRICIA, SO YOU TOOK IT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED, I BELIEVE. AND, MIXED ALLOWS IN YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT WE CAN HAVE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA , WHICH MAKES SENSE. SO, IT IS A TRANSITION PLACE , IS WHAT YOU ARE THINKING? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF HOW THAT WOULD OCCUR, IN THIS CASE, PUTTING IN AN OFFICE SPACE THAT IS GOING TO BE LARGER THAN THE HOUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE THREE OR FOUR BUSINESSES, BUT, THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING IN THIS PLACE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE SOME COLLEGE GIRLS FACING THE COUGARS, AND IF THEY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE FRIENDS COME IN, YOU CAN'T GET A CAR THROUGH THAT WAY. IT WILL CLOSE IT DOWN. SO, WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW YOU PLAN TO TURN THIS CUL-DE-SAC INTO BUSINESSES, WITHOUT PLANNING FOR IT TO BE BUSINESSES. RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE THINKING WELL, WE'LL JUST PUT SOMETHING THERE AND EVENTUALLY, PEOPLE WILL MOVE OUT. I HAVE FAMILY WHO LIVE THERE THAT
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DON'T WANT TO MOVE OUT. THEY ARE CONTENT TO LIVE IN THIS CUL-DE-SAC THAT USED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL AREA . A LOT OF RENTAL, THERE, TOO. SO, YES, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, I DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE TWO STEPS BACK WHEN YOU DON'T GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, AND THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE, IN MY OPINION, IT NEEDS TO BE LEFT AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND REASONED LIKE IT USED TO BE, WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. AND, THAT IS WHAT I SUBMIT TO YOU. THANK YOU FORYOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO NEEDS TO SPEAK
ON THIS ITEM? COME ON UP. >> HI, I AM LESLIE EDWARDS, THIS IS MY HOUSE. SO, WE DO NOT PLAN TO TURN IT INTO A BUSINESS. THIS IS REALLY, I JUST WANT TO GARAGE , AND MY HUSBAND WORKS FROM HOME, AND HE IS TAKING UP ONE OF OUR BEDROOMS, SO, WE WANT TO BUILD UP AND PUT HIM IN AN OFFICE ABOVE IT, THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY -- I REALLY JUST WANT TO GARAGE IN MY BACKYARD, AND MY HOUSE IS TINY, IT'S LIKE 1000 SQUARE FEET, SO I COULDN'T GET IT AS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS BOOK I AM NOT TRYING TO TURN IT INTO A BUSINESS. MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED HERE. WE DON'T PLAN TO MOVE, SO, THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF THIS. IS IS JUST A RESIDENTIAL, PERSONAL PROPERTY USE. AND WE COULD NOT GET IT AS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, SERVICES ROUTE NUMBER TWO. SO IT WILL HAVE AN OFFICE AND THE KITCHEN, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A BUSINESS. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE PARKING IN OUR DRIVEWAY NEXT TO IT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL PARKING PLACES. THE DRIVEWAY , WE EXTENDED WHEN WE MOVED IN, SO THERE IS PLENTY OF SPACE THERE. WE DON'T -- I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET, IT IS ANNOYING. WE DON'T PLAN TO PARK IN THE STREET. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. SIGN IN, PLEASE.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE
PUBLIC MEETING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> I DO TOO, GO AHEAD. >> MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS I DON'T RECALL THE DETAILS OF THIS PARTICULAR ZONING.
>> CRD E. SO, CRD E IS GOVERNED BY TABLE 58, IT IS A CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EAST, AND SO, PRETTY INTUITIVE, CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT IS SOUGHT AFTER AND CONTRIVED TO REDEVELOP ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. THE BIG ONES ARE GLENN , THIS PORTION OF DEAN, THERE IS CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT WEST, WHICH IS BRAGG. A LOT OF THESE BIG CORRIDOR'S , THAT HAVE A LOT OF CARPETS ON THEM.
HOUSES, TRAFFIC COUNTS OF GROCERY USES. CORRIDOR REDEVELOP AND EAST, PARTICULARLY, WAS LOOKED AT AS, HOW DO WE GET SOME MIXED-USE FROM ROSS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DEAN , FOR SOME BIG HARD CORNER THERE. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, THERE IS A SMATTERING OF BUSINESSES, THERE IS A SENDER OVER THERE THAT HAS THE TWO STORIES, DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE OFFICES, LAW OFFICES, SCUBA DIVING, THERE USED TO BE A BIKE SHOP, HE IS RETIRING. ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SO, WE ARE GETTING AN INFLUX OF TOWNHOMES, THERE, BUT, THE INTENT IS REALLY JUST CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT, IMMUNITY IS ALLOWED MUD IS ALLOWED. THERE ARE REDEVELOPING THROUGH CONDITIONAL USES. SO, A LOT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONES , WEST AND URBAN EAST, THE REDEVELOPMENT WAS REALLY SOUGHT AFTER WITH BIGGER ASSEMBLAGES. PUTTING THE SMALLER PARCELS TOGETHER FOR PROJECTS WITH LESS INTENSITY, THEY WILL HAVE A FLAT DENSITY FOR UNITS, WHAT IT DOES ALLOW IS CONDITIONAL USES FOR MUD, WITH ALL THE LOT STANDARDS AND DEVELOP ADOPTIONS ASSOCIATED
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WITH IT. THIS LOT DOES. SHE WENT FOR A VARIANCE, FLATLY, I THINK YOU CAN REALIZE THIS IN DIFFERENT WAYS FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, FROM LOOKING AT IT, CRD DOES ALLOW ADDITIONAL APPROVAL OF A MUD. THIS WOULD NOT FUNCTION AS A MUD, I GUESS FOR QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING, THERE IS THE PARKING IN THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THE FIRST FLOOR IS TECHNICALLY THE GARAGE.THAT IS TWO PARKING SPACES, THEN THERE ARE PARKING SPACES ON THE DRIVEWAY LIKE SHE MENTIONED. LIKE I SAID, HER AMBITION IS TO USE THIS AS ADDITIONAL STORAGE. JUST FOR THE SIZE OF IT, INTO THE KITCHEN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT IS EASIER FOR HER TO REALIZE THE END GOAL OF WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO DO, INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING IN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PCA MEETING, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN LIVE IN PRIMARY EXCLUSIVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. CRD IS NOT THAT. IT IS A MIXED-USE ZONE THAT ALLOWS FOR CONDITIONAL USES. THE NORTH PART OF IT WAS LARGER ASSEMBLAGES TO PUT TOGETHER THESE PROPERTIES THAT THEN HAVE THESE KIND OF DENSER DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR
TO CUT DOWN ON CURB CUTS. >> MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IF SHE SELLS THIS PROPERTY? WHAT CAN IT BE USED FOR, THEN?
>> THE SAME THING. SO, I GUESS IF SOMEONE WANTED TO RENT OUT BOTH OF THESE , THAT IS THE USE THAT IS BEING APPROVED, I GUESS.
UP TO 5, CRD SO THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR ME ZONING STANDPOINT. AND I GUESS, THE REAL THING HERE, --
>> THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT INTO A STORE?
>> YEAH. TO REALIZE SOME OF THOSE BIGGER, MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES, THOSE WOULD BE ASSEMBLAGES BUT THAT WOULD ALMOST TAKE CARE OF ITSELF FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT, BUT, YEAH.
FOR THIS TO REALIZE THE BIGGER REDEVELOPMENT, THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THE DEVELOPER GOING IN, BUYING BOTH CUL-DE-SACS, AND THEN GOING OVER. KIND OF LIKE WE HAVE SEEN ON FURTHER DOWN, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT TWO OR THREE HOMES AND PUT IN 809 TOWNHOMES.
>> MY NEXT QUESTION IS, THE WAY THAT IT IS DESCRIBED, IT IS A GARAGE ON THE BOTTOM, A DOUBLE GARAGE ON THE BOTTOM, AND OFFICE, AND A KITCHEN, AND I GUESS A BATHROOM? WHY IS THAT
AND IMMUNITY? >> THE HOUSE IS THE FIRST UNIT, AND THEN WHAT SHE IS BUILDING IS A SECOND UNIT, SO FOR HER, LIKE I SAID, THE ISSUE WAS THAT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WAS TOO BIG, SO, TO GET OUT OF THAT WAS, I THINK SHE INITIALLY SAID I DON'T WANT TO PUT A KITCHEN IN IT, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU DO, SHE SAID COOL, I WILL PUT A KITCHEN IN. SO, THAT IS HOW THIS WENT. LIKE I SAID IT WAS REALLY JUST THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF, THERE IS ANOTHER WAY FOR YOU TO DO THIS , YOU DON'T NEED A VARIANCE FOR THIS. FROM A USER STANDPOINT IT IS REALLY JUST FUNCTIONING AS HER -- IT IS AN OFFICE SPACE FOR HER.
>> I WILL ASK THIS QUESTION AND YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM, -- OF, I KNOW WHY. IT IS THE SIZE. ACCESSORY DWELLING
>> THAT IS CORRECT BUT IT IS THE SIZE OF IT. SO, THAT IS WHAT SHE SOUGHT THE VARIANCE FOR, BECAUSE THERE WAS A 50% CAP ON ACCESSORY
>> 30% CAP ON ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, 50% CAP ON ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. AND SO, IT WAS EASIER FOR HER TO JUST BUILD THE
MUD. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> AND MOVED TO APPROVE . >> OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. NEXT, WE HAVE A
[20. Waiver – 732 Mercer Circle]
WAIVER TO MINIMUM SETBACKS ON MERCER.>> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER TO THREE FEET , 15 FEET IN THE CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT EAST, TABLE 5-8 DISTRICT DICTATES THIS COME HERE. CURRENTLY, THE UNIT IS SHOWN 12 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY ON WHICH WE WOULD REQUIRE THE
THREE-FOOT FEED ON WAVERLEY. >> IT IS NOT GOING TO THREE
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FEET? >> YES, THREE FEET LESS THAN 15.
>> SO IT'S 12 FEET? >> ALL RIGHT, CAN WE SEE THE MAP
AGAIN? >> THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS FOR A WAIVER TO THE SETBACK OF THREE FEET, TO 12 FEET, DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE WZ 2025 -008.
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE WAIVER FOR 722 MERCER CIRCLE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? NEXT IS CONDITIONAL USE, NORTH DONAHUE
[21. Conditional Use – 178 North Donahue Drive – PUBLIC HEARING ]
DRIVE . >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE, COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT YEARS FOR A TATTOO SHOP AT WHEN IT 178 NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE, THIS WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN A UNIT ON THE BUILDING THAT HOUSES THE GOALPOST RIGHT ON THE INTERSECTION OF WEST AND AND NORTH DONAHUE. THE BUILDOUT OF THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A SHOPPING CENTER, AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN APPROPRIATE RETAIL USE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WEST ZONING DISTRICT. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY
>> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, BECAUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, IT IS LOCATED AT THE END OF THE BUILDING, IT LOOKS LIKE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. SO,
WHERE IS THE USE? >> I BELIEVE -- I DON'T KNOW
WHY IT IS HIGHLIGHTED. >> YEAH, THERE IS A RESTAURANT ON ONE END AND GOALPOST ON THE OTHER?
>> IT IS KIND OF COVERED BY THE HASHMARK. THERE IS SPACE IN BETWEEN THEM. AND SO, THAT IS NOT ONE LONG BUILDING. THERE IS SPACE IN BETWEEN THOSE. IT IS PRETTY MUCH THAT EMPTY SPACE,
JUST TO THE RIGHT. >> IT IS CORRECT?
>> YES. THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOT CONNECTED.
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A TATTOO SHOP AT 178 NORTH DONAHUE. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO
SPEAK? >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JEFF ROBERTS. I OWN THE HOUSE AT 156. DIRECTLY ASIDE THE GOALPOST .
>> IT IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT. I WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, I DON'T HAVE ANY FEELING AT ALL, ABOUT TATTOOS. MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND BEST FRIENDS HAVE THEM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST ANYONE HAVING TATTOOS. THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IS HAVING A TATTOO SHOP RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE. AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE A -- I LIVE IN THIS HOUSE ABOUT HALF THE YEAR. AND I OWN A STRIP MALL IN BOAZ, ALABAMA. AND I HAVE HAD TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS WITH SOME NATIONAL ENTITIES LIKE EDWARD JONES FINANCIAL AND WITH ALLSTATE, AND WHEN YOU HAVE A NATIONAL COMPANY, YOU DON'T GET TO WRITE THEIR LEASE, THEY WRITE YOUR LEASE. IN EACH OF THESE LEASES, ONE OF THE THINGS STATED IS THAT I CANNOT LEASE MY UNIT TO A TATTOO SHOP. THERE IS A REASON THEY PUT THAT IN MY LEASE. THERE IS A REASON THAT THE CITY OF AUBURN SENT ME A LETTER TO COME HERE TONIGHT AND THERE IS A REASON I DROVE 2 1/2 HOURS DOWN HERE TO MEET WITH YOU ALL. YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE IS SO CLOSE TO WHERE THIS IS PROPOSED, THAT WHEN I GOT TO AUBURN TODAY, I GOT A TAPE MEASURE OUT, AND I MEASURED FROM THE EDGE OF THE TATTOO PARLOR, IT IS 8 1/2 FEET.
THAT IS CLOSER TO ME THAN Y'ALL. I HAVE A 2 1/2 YEAR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER, AND THAT IS WHERE SHE SLEEPS WHEN WE COME DOWN
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HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR 2 1/2 YEAR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER SLEEPING EIGHT FEET FROM A TATTOO PARLOR . I AM NOT COMFORTABLE. IF YOU ARE, I WOULD EXPECT IT TO PASS, BUT IF YOU ARE LIKE ME I WOULD EXPECT IT NOT TO PASS. THERE IS ALSO THE ISSUE OF PROPERTY VALUE.EIGHT FEET FROM A TATTOO PARLOR IS GOING TO BRING DOWN MY PROPERTY VALUE. SO, I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN NOT ALLOWING THE USE OF THAT BUILDING , FOR THOSE REASONS THAT I HAVE STATED AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? >> IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, ON STREET VIEW, THE PROXIMITY IS CRAZY CLOSE. WALKER HAS IT PULLED UP AND IT IS CRAZY HOW CLOSE IT IS.
>> WHAT HAS BEEN ON THAT? HAS ANYTHING OCCUPIED IT RECENTLY?
WHAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE? >> I WOULD NOT KNOW. IS THE
APPLICANT HERE? >> WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO
SPEAK? COME FORWARD. >> I WOULD SAY IT IS MORE BUILDING AND OWNER, NOT NECESSARILY THE PERSON WHO IS
TRYING TO RUN A TATTOO SHOP. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS .
>> MY NAME IS J BISLEY, AND MY ADDRESS IS 85 WHITTINGTON STREET. SO, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ONE YEAR AGO . THE USED TO USE THIS SPACE FOR STORAGE. SO NOW I RENEWED THE LEASE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO KEEP THAT SHORT, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SHOPS, SO THEY WANT TO KEEP ONLY ONE SHOT. SO, THERE IS A VERY SMALL SHOP , ONLY 800 SQUARE FEET, AND I WANT TO GIVE THIS PLACE TO A TENANT , AND HE IS INTERESTED TO RUN A TATTOO PLACE, AND THAT IS THE THING. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I
CAN GIVE ANSWERS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
SIGN IN, PLEASE. >> SO, I WILL SAY ONLY SETBACKS, EAST OF NORTH DONAHUE, AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WEST ARE MANDATED TO BE THAT TIGHT. THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES IN TOWN WHERE THERE ARE SETBACK MAXIMUMS, WE CAN ONLY BE BACK 10 FEET. SO, THAT IS INSIDE THE REAR, FRONT SIDE WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT, SIDE SETBACK CAN'T BE 10 FEET. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NORTH DONAHUE.
THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT, THAT IS IN THE TABLE, AND THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR URBAN LIVING AND DOWNTOWN.
>> CAN I ASK ABOUT ANY REGULATIONS FOR TATTOO PARLORS THAT THE CITY HAS WITHOUT THE STATE HAS?
>> I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY SPOKE ABOUT STATE REGULATIONS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIAL THE RELEVANT STANDARDS. EAST OF DONAHUE, AND SHOPPING CENTERS , THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD EXIST.
>> DOES THE CITY MANDATE HOURS OF OPERATIONS FOR BUSINESSES
LIKE TATTOO PARLORS ? >> I GUESS THEY COULD BE.
INSOMNIA IS OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT. >> IN THE SAME BUILDING?
>> YES. AND INSOMNIA IS BUSY AT NIGHT.
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>> OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN. I NEED A MOTION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE AT 178 NORTH
DONAHUE. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO
APPROVE CASEY YOU 2025-0-66. >> SECOND.
>> OKAY. ROLL CALL. >> DANA CAMP?
>> OKAY, THIS PASSES. THIS WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WHEN?
>> THE 16TH, SO, NEXT WEEK. >> NEXT WEEK. DECEMBER 16TH .
[22. Conditional Use – Judd Avenue Mixed Use, Phase II – PUBLIC HEARING]
>> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR A PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, A MULTIPLE UNIT ELEMENT, LOCATED AT 538 RICHLAND ROAD . IT IS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND IS IN A PART OF THE JUDD AVENUE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE IN SIZE, AND THE PLAN FOR THE SITE ALSO INCLUDES , APPROXIMATELY 4700 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE . BOTH YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED VARIOUS COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES FOR THE SITE LAST OCTOBER.
STAFF SEES NO CONCERNS WITH THE REQUEST, AND I'M HAPPY TO
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE AND IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE JUDD AVENUE MIXED-USE PHASE TWO?
>> CODGER ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT, I STUCK IT OUT THIS LONG, I'M GOING TO GET APPEAR TO SPEAK. BUT WE ARE HERE, AS WELL AS ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE TO ASK ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I
NEED A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE 2025- 067, JUDD AVENUE MIXED-USE PHASE TWO?
>> I HAVE A MOTION OF THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANY
[23. Conditional Use – 2A USA INC – PUBLIC HEARING]
OPPOSED? >> THE LAST CASE TONIGHT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USE AT 24-10 WEST TECH LANE IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT WISHES TO EXPAND THE EXISTING FACILITY TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 39,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING SPACE . THIS WILL INCREASE THE EXISTING A SPACE TO APPROXIMATELY 118,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THE STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS WITH THE REQUEST.
>> IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD COULD SEE NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE EXPANSION IS IN NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GREEN SPACE, BUT IT IS WHERE THAT WEDGE IS IN THE BUILDING, THAT IS WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY LOCATED.
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE CASEY YOU 2025.268 USA. EXPANSION.
>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ANYONE OPPOSED? ANY OTHER
[OTHER BUSINESS ]
BUSINESS? >> UPDATE AS FAR AS MORATORIUM STUFF, WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO CLEAR THE CONTRACT TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT'LL HELP US REWRITE THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SO THAT IS STARTING TO TAKE SHAPE, WE WILL GET THAT FROM THE
COUNCIL, SOON. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE
ANY COMMENTS? STAFF? >> MOVED TO ADJOURN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.