Jan 06, 2026 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER.]

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>> WILL CALL TO ORDER TONIGHT'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR JANUARY THE SIXTH, 2026. WE WELCOME THOSE THAT HAVE JOINED US-COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THOSE LISTENING ON WANI AND WATCHING THROUGH SERVING -- STREAMING SERVICES. HAPPY NEW YEAR.

WELCOME TO OUR FIRST MEETING. LINDSAY COTTRELL CALL.

>> ADAMS. >> HERE.

>> COBLENTZ. >> HERE.

>> DAWSON. >> HERE.

>> GRISWOLD. >> HERE.

>> MOREMAN. >> HERE.

>> WITTEN. >> HERE.

>> HERE. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PLEASE BE SEATED. THIS IS THE

[4. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS.]

>> WE ARE PROUD TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR JANUARY EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH AND I HAVE A MEMORANDUM FROM --. SINCE JOINING ENGINEERING SERVICES IN 2022 HAS TRAFFIC SYSTEMS TECHNICIAN, AZIZA HURT HAS ESTABLISHED HERSELF AS COMPASSIONATE SERVICE MENDED PROFESSIONAL WHOSE DEDICATION TO AUBURN'S CITIZENS IS EVIDENT IN EVERY THING SHE DOES. SHE APPROACHES EVERY TASK WITH HUMILITY, CURIOSITY, AND A GENUINE DESIRE TO MAKE AUBURN STREETS SAFER AND MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYONE WHO CALLS THIS COMMUNITY HOME. AZIZA'S EAGERNESS TO LEARN IS ONE OF HER DEFINING STRENGTHS. SHE AND HER TRAFFIC SIGNAL ONE CERTIFICATION FROM THE INTERNATIONAL MUNICIPAL SIGNAL ASSOCIATION. THIS YEAR SHE ATTENDED THE ASSOCIATION'S CONFERENCE TO STAY CURRENT ON NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND BEST PRACTICES AND PROACTIVELY COMPLETED THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSPECTOR CERTIFICATION. THOUGH NOT REQUIRED FOR HER POSITION THIS CREDENTIAL HAS ALREADY IMPROVED THE QUALITY AND THE CONSISTENCY OF DEPARTMENTAL INSPECTIONS AND AFFECTS HER COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE. HER IMPACT EXTENDS BEYOND TRAFFIC TECHNOLOGY. SHE IS HELPING INTEGRATE FIELD LINE LOCATIONS TO SUPPORT MORE EFFICIENT AND RELIABLE MY MARKETING EFFORTS. HER LEADERSHIP CONTINUES TO GROW THROUGH THE CITY OF AUBURN ACADEMY ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT WORK AND TRAINING IN AREAS SUCH AS CUSTOMER SERVICE, PUBLIC SPEAKING, AND BID LAW. PERHAPS MOST INSPIRING IS AZIZA SERVICE TO THE NEXT GENERATION THROUGH HER INVOLVEMENT WITH OTHER UNIVERSITIES DYNAMIC PROGRAM SHE SPEAKS TO HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS ABOUT PURSUING CAREERS IN TECHNICAL FIELDS OFFERING ENCOURAGEMENT, GUIDANCE, AND REAL WORLD EXAMPLE OF A WOMAN DRIVING IN ENGINEERING SERVICES. AZIZA EMBODIES DEDICATION, CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, AND SERVANT HEARTED LEADERSHIP. IT IS WITH SINCERE APPRECIATION THAT I NOMINATE AZIZA FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN'S EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH AWARD.

CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

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>> WE ARE PROUD TODAY TO RECOGNIZE OUR STATE CHAMPION GIRLS CROSS COUNTRY TEAM HERE AT AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL AGAIN AND THIS NEVER GETS OLD. AND I HAVE A RESOLUTION HERE I WOULD LIKE TO READ ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WHERE'S THE CITY COUNCIL -- EXCELLENT ACHIEVEMENTS, AND CONTRIBUTIONS BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE CLASSROOM, AND WHEREAS THE 2025 AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL FOR GIRLS CROSS COUNTRY TEAM WAS CROWNED THE 2025 CLASS SEVEN A STATE CHAMPIONS AT THE OAKVILLE INDIAN MOUNDS PARK NOVEMBER 8TH, 2025 AND WAS THE TEAM SECURED THEIR THIRD STRAIGHT STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, THEIR EIGHTH IN THE LAST NINE YEARS WITH GRIT AND GRACE. WHEREAS JR. SARAH TOLD WHAT THE CHARGE WITH A PLEASING 18: TOLD TO FINISH SECOND OVERALL ANCHORING A RELENTLESS TEAM EFFORT TO HELP AUBURN PLACE ALL FIVE SCORES WELL INSIDE THE TOP 25. AND WHERE IS THE AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL FOR GIRLS CROSS COUNTRY TEAM CONSISTS OF SISTERS ADELINE CLARK, MAGGIE SHAW COX, BELLA CROW, AUDREY, CLAIRE ERICKSON, ABIGAIL HARDY, LUNDY JACKSON, DAK30, RILEY PECSOK OH, BRIGGS B, CHLOE ROBERTSON, SARAH TOLE, JB WADE, ANNA WARD, ELLA WOULD AND BRITNEY YARBOROUGH. NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF AUBURN ALABAMA THAT THE COUNCIL ORGANIZES AND FORMALLY COORDINATES THE COACHES AND PLAYERS OF THE 2025 AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS CROSS COUNTRY TEAM FOR ITS OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENTS AND EXEMPLARY EFFORTS IN REPRESENTING AUBURN CITY SCHOOLS AND THE TRINITY. THE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT A COPY OF THIS RECESSION BE SPREAD UPON MINUTES OF THIS MEETING AND PRESENTED TO HEAD COACH ERICA SKIDMORE AND THE TEAM ADOPTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE TRINITY, ALABAMA, THE SIXTH DAY OF JANUARY 2026. CONGRATULATIONS, LADIES. WE ARE PROUD OF YOU.

>> PUT A PRODDING TO RECOGNIZE OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEES AND OUR ATTENDING ATHLETES AT AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL. I WANT TO SHOUT OUT TO THEM, AND THANK YOU FOR THEIR --. AND THANK YOU TO AZIZA HURT.

HER STORY OF HARD WORK AND DEDICATION, AND WHERE SHE HAS COME FROM AND WHERE SHE IS NOW, WORKING HERE IN THE TRINITY AND HOW SHE IS SERVING THE COMMUNITY. VERY PROUD OF HER AND VERY THANKFUL FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WANT TO JUST GO BACK THROUGH WHAT WE DID DURING THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE HAD THREE MINUTES TO MAKE TO THE BOARD OF ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT. MARY BOYD WAS REAPPOINTED, AS WAS LETICIA SMITH AND MALCOLM DAILY. WE WANT TO THANK CHARLES BARRY FOR HIS WORK HERE SERVING ON THE BOARD OF ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT. AS FAR AS ANNOUNCEMENTS GO, THIS MORNING, THE COMMUNITY ROCKET HAD ITS OFFICIAL RIBBON CUTTING. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT THIS COUNCIL MADE A DECISION TO PARTICIPATE IN .

IT WAS VERY ENCOURAGING. WHAT A GREAT CROWD THERE TODAY. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN PARSONS AND COUNCILMAN COPELAND FOR ATTENDING. A TREMENDOUS CROWD. A TREMENDOUS RESOURCE FOR THOSE THAT NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING THIS FOR THEIR FAMILY. IT IS A VERY HONORABLE WAY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO SHOP AND DEFINE WHAT THEY NEED TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES AND I SUPPORT THE SHE APPRECIATE THE SHIP THAT THE FOOD BANK HAS FOR THE COMMUNITY OF ALABAMA. WE'VE GOT A REAL BLESSING AND HIS PEOPLE THAT ARE VOLUNTEERING AND WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY MARKET IN THE FOOD BANK. SO GREAT DAY. IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO RIGHT AFTER OUR LAST MEETING WAS THE GRAND OPENING OF THE NEW MENTAL HEALTH CENTER. THE EAST ALABAMA MENTAL HEALTH CENTER, AND ANOTHER TREMENDOUS RESOURCE. ANOTHER RESOURCE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MADE A DECISION TO INVEST IN ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF AUBURN. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT AGAIN, IS AN HONORABLE WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH TOUGH TIMES, AND I APPRECIATE THE DEDICATION OF OUR HOSPITAL TO SEE THIS IS A NEED

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MR. MOREMAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PHILLY CONNECTION IS WINDING DOWN ITS OPERATIONS IN AUBURN. IN FACT, IT MAY ALREADY BE CLOSED. THE OWNER OF THE PHILLY CONNECTION WAS A GENTLEMAN NAMED SUNNEL MARCHMENT, AND HE WAS IN THE TOWERS IN 9/11, DURING 9/11, AND HE HAS QUITE A STORY TO TELL AND ANOTHER REMARKABLE THING ABOUT MR. SUNNEL MERCHANT IS THAT HE HAS THAT THE RESPONDERS EVERY YEAR SINCE HE'S BEEN IN AUBURN. AT HIS EXPENSE AND IT'S A GRACIOUS THING THAT HE HAS UNDERTAKEN MANY YEARS AGO AND CARRIED THROUGH TO TODAY. I WANT TO THANK HIM PUBLICLY FOR THAT SERVICE AND WISH HIM WELL IN HIS NEW ENDEAVOR.

[5. AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS.]

>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE AHEAD WITH AUBURN UNIVERSITY

COMMUNICATIONS. >> HELLO. I HOPE YOU GUYS ALL HAD A GOOD HOLIDAY SEASON AND SO, SCHOOL IS STARTING BACK THIS WEDNESDAY FOR US WHICH IS THE START OF OUR SPRING SEMESTER SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO BE BACK AND THEN AUBURN UNIVERSITY IS PARTNERING WITH SUE BIRD FOR A LATE NIGHT SMART GREAT PROGRAM.

YOU GET 25 TRIPS A MONTH WHICH IS SOMETHING SUPERCOOL AND WE ARE ALL EXCITED ABOUT. AND BE A WHEELS FREEZE ON. AND OUR FOOTBALL TEAM, USF QUARTERBACK BRIAN BROWN AND WE THINK YOU WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR TEAM AND OUR CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEW STUDENT PATIO IS MISLED AND LASTLY, SGA IS HOSTING ASK ME DAYS FOR STUDENTS WORSENS CAN COME AND ASK QUESTIONS THEY HAVE FOR THE NEW SEMESTER AND HER CLASSES WILL BE, ET CETERA, AND SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR THAT AS WELL, SO THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL FOR ME AND WAR EAGLE.

>> WAR EAGLE. I THINK IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE EVER HAD A RECRUITING UPDATE IN THE AUBURN UNIVERSITY REPORT. YOU KNOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT AROUND HERE, SO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE THAT THE CITIZENS CAN MEDICATION ON ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT ANYTHING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD.

PLEASE SHARE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ANNUAL GET FIVE MINUTES. THIS ONE ITEM AT THE VERY END OF OUR AGENDA.

[7. CITY MANAGER’S COMMUNICATIONS. ]

OKAY. SEEMS NO ONE, WE WILL MOVE AHEAD TO CITY MANAGER'S

LOCATIONS. >> MAYOR, I HAVE TWO ITEMS UNDER CITY MANAGERS MEDICATIONS. ONE IS THE VACANCY ON THE CEMETERY ADVISORY. IT ENDS ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2030. THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE MADE ON THE JANUARY 20 STUDENT -- COUNCIL MEETING. THE CITY ENGINEER , OR ME, PROVIDE A DETAILED REPORT TO THE GOVERNING BODY AT ITS FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY EACH YEAR. THE REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 IS IN YOUR PACKETS. IT WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES, AND POSTED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. DURING FISCAL YEAR 2025, THE CITY RECEIVED $555,360 IN REVENUES FROM THIS TAX AND APPLIED FUNDS TO PROJECTS THAT MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE AUBURN'S TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE. THOSE PROJECTS INCLUDE FISCAL YEAR '23, '24, AND '25 OR SERVICING. THE TOTAL COSTS IS --. NO ACTION IS NECESSARY.

[8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA.]

>> THANK YOU. WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DEAL WITH THAT AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

>> I WOULD, PLEASE. >> YES.

[8.e.5. RaceTrac, LLC. Accept utility easements as shown on the plat "A Revision of Lot 4-A of A Resubdivision of Lot 4 of a Resubdivision of Parcel A Shelton Cove Sector One." 4809 Birmingham Highway.]

>> 8D5. >> 8D5. ANYONE ELSE?

>> ITEM 8E5. ACCEPTS VARIOUS UTILITY EASEMENTS AS SHOWN ON THE. REVISION OF LOT 4A. RECENTLY DIVISION OF SECTOR ONE, LOCATED AT 4809 U.S. HIGHWAY 280 ALSO KNOWN AS BIRMINGHAM HIGHWAY AND WE WILL BE RECEIVING THIS FROM RACETRAC, LLC.

>> MOVED FOR APPROVAL. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND IS. MISS

WHITTEN. >> I BELIEVE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ATTENTION ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN -- THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S SHARED , THE PROPERTY BETWEEN OPELIKA AND AUBURN OF WHAT THIS EASEMENT MEANS AND THEN I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

>> WELL I HAVE ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS AND OUR DEVELOPMENT

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>> YEAH. I'LL TAKE THE EASEMENT TO START OFF WITH. SO THE CITY OWNS AND OPERATES THE RIGHT AWAY -- OF WAY.

] PART OF -- TO GET ADDITIONAL EASEMENT NOT NECESSARILY FOR CURRENT BUT FOR FUTURE UTILITIES AND DRAINAGE AND FOR SHELTER THAT COULD BE NEEDED ALONGSIDE THEM, SO WE WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND A CAR THAT IN THE FUTURE. THAT WHICH IS PART OF OUR SUBDIVISION RELATIONS. WHETHER THAT IS IN THE CITY OF AUBURN OR THE COUNTY OR OPELIKA IN THIS CASE, GRANT THAT AS PART

OF THIS TRAINING EXERCISE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RACETRACK, I SEE THAT THEY ARE OPEN, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HAD FROM THE NEIGHBORING SUBDIVISION, -- COVE, ABOUT THE BUFFER AND THE FENCING. CAN WE REVIEW THAT AND TALK ABOUT -- RIGHT NOW THERE'S A CHAIN-LINK FENCE. IS THAT A PERMANENT SOLUTION?

>> SHOW A CHAIN-LINK FENCE BUT ALL OF THIS WILL BE IN ADDITION TO -- IN ADDITION TO THE TYPE II OR TYPE III REQUIRED. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE STONED -- IT'S GOING TO BE BRICK OR STONE OR WOOD, COMPLETELY OPAQUE FENCE IN ADDITION TO THE BUFFER SO THEY'RE AVERAGING 15, 20 FEET AROUND THE ENTIRE SIDE OF IT, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMES THAT WAS MADE BY ONE OF THE PLANNERS AND I THINK IT WAS JUST RESULT IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS SO I DON'T HAVE AUGMENTATION BUT WE WILL HAVE A MEETING SET UP LATER THIS WEEK WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF. THE FENCING SITUATION

>> OKAY. SO THE CHAIN-LINK FENCE IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND THEY WILL COME BACK WITH A MORE PERMANENT

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THEY ARE OFFERING A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THEY WILL HAVE TO GET A FULL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO REMAIN OPEN. AND SO, STAFF IS MEETING LATER THIS WEEK WITH THEM ABOUT, IN ESSENCE -- IT IS NOT A PUNCHLIST BUT THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED.

WHEN YOU ALLOW A SORT OF LIKE THAT WITH A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, IT'S BECAUSE SAFETY THINGS ARE CARED FOR AND THEY OFTEN HAVE MINIMAL LANDSCAPING THINGS OR OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETE OR SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A SUPPLY-CHAIN ISSUE OR WHATEVER AND WE TEND TO WORK WITH THEM, BUT, THEY WILL ONLY BE OPEN -- THEY WILL CHOOSE A TIME FRAME IN THIS MEETING. STAFF WILL WORK WITH THEM ON A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME DEPENDING ON WHAT'S THAT FOR THIS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PULL THE TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE THINGS BY THE

DATE WE AGREE UPON. >> AND DO WE HAVE THAT DATE OR

IS THAT -- >> NO. THAT WILL BE DECIDED IN THE MEETING BASED ON WHAT'S LEFT AND WHEN WE LEARN. WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES ON THIS BUT THERE ARE LINES IN TERMS OF IF PEOPLE TAKE TOO MUCH TIME AND IF THERE IS NO POSSIBLE REASON, THEN WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT FOR THEM TO NOT BE UP IN WHICH IS NOT OUR FIRST CHOICE BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.

>> AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN COMMUNICATIVE BACK WITH NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT ALSO THE NEIGHBORS IN CHARLESTON COVE BUT I WANT TO

MAKE SURE WE ARE TRACKING. >> YES AND UNIQUELY AND ULTIMATELY CUT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY DEAL WITH OTHER -- IS IN THE CITY OF OPELIKA. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE CITY OF AUBURN. WE'VE HAD AGREEMENTS ABOUT THE INTERVIEW HENCE ON IN WHICH THE CITY OF AUBURN HAS LARGELY UNDERTAKEN BUT WE HAVE TO FINALIZE SOME PUBLIC SAFETY AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE OUR CORNER IS OPELIKA'S INTEREST OF IT IS OURS AND THAT CAN CAUSE CONFUSION SO WE ARE WORKING ON THOSE THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES AND OPELIKA IS A GREAT PARTNER TO WORK WITH AND WE COLLABORATE AND WHEN WE ARE READY WE WILL BE BRINGING SOME AGREEMENTS TO YOU TO MEMORIALIZE YOUR CITY COUNCIL THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MISSION AT A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE

[9.a. Cole Place, Phase 1 Annexation. Approximately 85.85 acres. Property located on Society Hill Road, east of Nash Creek Drive and north of the Mitchell Farms development. Postponed from December 16, 2025. ]

SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? >> IN THE CONSENT AGENDA IS

APPROVED. ORDINANCES. >> ITEM A1 THIS ITEM WAS ALSO POSTPONED BY THE COUNCIL. WE'VE ALREADY HAD FIRST READING BACK IN NOVEMBER TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND HAVE DISCUSSION. A MOTION IS

NEEDED. >> MOVED FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. >> GO AHEAD.

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OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] >> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER. REPRESENTATIVE.

>> SIR, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR US?

>> MY NAME IS MICHAEL ROTH. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING ON BY.

QUESTIONS MAINLY AROUND, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THIS PIECE. ABOUT 223 ACRES TOTAL. AND IT'S BEEN IN PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME -- WORDS COME OFF THE AGENDA AND NOW WE ARE KIND OF SETTLE HERE ON THIS 80.85 ACRES. SO, MY MAIN QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, MY JUST 85 ACRES OF THIS WHOLE PARTIAL? JUST CONSIDERING THAT

FOR ANNEXATION? >> I THINK THE BACK STORY -- THAT IS ALL THAT WE OWN. THAT IS WHY WE DELETED BECAUSE OUR CLOSING TO PURCHASE GOT DELAYED AND THE OWNER DID NOT WANT TO BRING ANY MORE PROPERTY UNTIL WE ACTUALLY ACQUIRED IT, SO WE HAVE CONTRACT ON MORE OF THE PROPERTY SO WE WANTED TO -- AND I THINK THAT WAS AT THE ADVICE -- I THINK I WAS FOLLOWING THE POLICY OF THE CITY TO SHOW THE OVERALL STRATEGY WAS. BUT THEN WE ARE ACQUIRING THE LAND IN PHASES AND BRINGING IT IN PHASES.

>> SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PHASE AND POSSIBLY ANOTHER DOUGH SHE WILL CONSIDER THAT FOR ANNEXATION. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO LEAVE ANY OF THIS IN THE COUNTY.

>> I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO 120 ACRES. SO, THERE'S ANOTHER PHASE THAT WE'LL BE PLANNING TO DO IN ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

>> IS THAT PART OF THIS TO TONY?

>> IS PART OF THE 220. >> OKAY. SO 85 ACRES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 120 ACRES.

>> NO. THERE IS ROGERS 20 MINUTES 85 THAT WILL BE BRINGING

IN ABOUT 18 MONTHS. >> OKAY. AND I WILL MAKE UP THE WHOLE PARTIAL ON THIS. THAT'S PART OF THE GEORGE MAN PROPERTY.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW MANY TOTAL LOTS TO ANTICIPATE IN THIS SUBDIVISION WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE

ACROSS ALL 220 ACRES? >> AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PAST THE 100-2100 CONTRACT. 120 ACRES. I

THINK WE HAVE 39 LOTS. YEAH. >> OKAY. ANYTHING LESS THAN

THREE ACRES? >> NO. THAT'S --

>> OKAY. >> THAT'S MOST OF THE CUSHIONS I HAVE.

YOU. IT'S IMPLIED THAT IT WILL STATE WORLD. IS THAT WHAT WE ARE HEARING? THERE IS NO EDUCATION -- INDICATION THAT IT WILL BE

ANYTHING OTHER THAN RURAL? >> IN TERMS OF THE ZONING?

>> WELL, YES. >> WELL, THE ZONING THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR IN THIS -- AS WE ANNEXED IT, IS EXACTLY WHERE WE

INTEND TO KEEP IT. >> THREE ACRE LOTS. OKAY. SOUNDS

GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THERE IS A CONSERVATION

OVERLAY ON THIS, RIGHT. >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. >> WELL, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR

LESS THAN THREE ACRES IF -- >> NOT REALLY. SO THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY IS A RESULT OF THE WATERSHED THAT IT'S IN, SO THAT'S AUTOMATIC, BUT FOR SOMEBODY TO GO ON TO FURTHER SUBDIVIDE TO REALIZE THAT ON .5 ACRE LOTS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION EVERYTHING AND THEY ARE MUCH MORE STRICT THAN OUR SUBDIVISION DECORATING.

SUBSEQUENT PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD NOT BE OF THE VISIT AND RECOGNIZE THE THAT REALIZE THE SMALLER LOT SIZES AFTER THIS.

>> YOUR SEGMENT FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, SO ONCE THEY GET RESEARCHER ON THE GROUND BEFORE THAT, YOU COULD PIVOT IF THEY SUBMITTED ALL THE RIGHT INFORMATION.

>> YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GREAT.

>> SO IN YOUR PACKETS, THERE IS ONE DRAWING WITH A BLUE PIECE IS THE PROPERTY MR. DILWORTH WAS REFERRING TO AS MR. MANN WITHIN THE GRAY PIECE IS WHAT'S IN QUESTION NOW IN THE PINK PIECE IS WHAT HE IS REFERRING TO AS THE SECOND PHASE. IN HIS PIECE THAT HE'S LOOKING AT, IS 123, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN BLUE WOULD TOTAL ABOUT THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY.

>> OKAY. >> IN OUR MADEA, THE PLANNING COMMISSION INITIALLY LOOKED AT AN ANNEXATION WITH ALL OF THAT AND WERE COMMITTED APPROVAL OVER THE SUMMER AND THEN TIME PASSED WHERE HE DIDN'T GO ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND THAT EXPIRED THAT INITIAL RECOGNITION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THEY CAME BACK, THEY CAME BACK

WITH 85.83 ACRES. >> THE AREA GRAY AND PINK IS

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DOWN THE ROAD. >> GRAY IS TONIGHT AND THINK IS IN THE FUTURE IF IT COMES TO YOU.

>> AND THE BLUE AREA IS UNDETERMINED.

>> IT HAS NOT BEEN HUNDRED AND -- UNDER CONSIDERATION. IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY SINCE WE WORKED WITH MR.

>> STAFF GAVE IT A LITTLE ANNEXATION PRETTY ON IT. IS THERE ANY PRIMARY -- WHAT'S THE REASON BEHIND THAT?

>> SO THAT IS -- THAT'S A -- THAT'S THE ANNEXATION PRIORITY I THINK FROM THE INITIAL ANNEXATION STUDY DONE 15 YEARS AGO NOW. AND IT WAS GIVEN THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DESIRE TO HAVE DEVELOPED OUT IN THE WATERSHED AND I THINK IT PASSED ANNEXATION OUT IN THIS AREA THAT STAFFS OPINION HAS SHIFTED THAT IF IT'S GOING TO BE -- IF IT IS GOING TO BE -- IF THERE IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE WATERSHED, WE WOULD RATHER THAT IT BE IN THE CITY THAT WAY WE DO HAVE SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> I THINK I READ IN HERE, SOCIETY HILL ROADS MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY AT THIS POINT AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY WITH THIS ANNEXATION. SO.

>> AT THIS TIME, YES. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE

QUESTIONS I HAVE. >> ANIYAH CUSHIONS ARE COMMENTS

FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY. >> LINDSEY WITH A ROLL CALL.

>> SEES ME. >> ADAMS.

[10.a. Tax Abatement. CSP Technologies, Inc.]

>> YES MA'AM. >> ADAMS.

>> YES MA'AM. >> DAWSON.

>> YES MA'AM. >> DAWSON.

>> YES MA'AM. >> MOREMAN.

>> YES MA'AM. >> PARSONS.

>> YES MA'AM. >> DAWSON. FOR

>> YES MA'AM. SPLIT THE COMPANY PLANS TO INVEST $17.1 MILLION AND ANTICIPATES HIRING 18 NEW EMPLOYEES.

>> APPROVAL.

>> WE HAD A MOTION IN THE SECOND. COMES OR CUSHIONS? CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR TEAM. IT SEEMS WE ARE DOING ONE OF THESE EVERY MONTH. IS THAT WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE TO YOU? WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OR THOUGHTS? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

[10.b. Contract. Whatley Construction. Duck Samford Concessions Renovations. $516,500.]

>> 10B, WHATLEY CONSTRUCTION, LLC FOR THE RENOVATION IN THE

AMOUNT OF $516,000 >> ME FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >>'S MOTION AND IS AGREED ANY

[10.c. Drainage and Utility Easement Vacation. Hilltop Auburn Holdings, LLC. Uptown 1. Property located at 350 Bragg Avenue. Public hearing required.]

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> IN THE MASHINTER'S. -- HILL TOP HOLDING LLC. A PUBLIC

HEARING IS REQUIRED. >> ME FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC. PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.

SEE NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC. ANY CUSHIONS OR COMMENTS OR COUNCIL? . ON FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

[12. CITIZENS' OPEN FORUM.]

>> AYE. INTERNET >> MAYOR, THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS OF BUSINESS WE HAVE READ THIS THING.

>> OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN CITIZENS OPEN FORM TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE UNDERMINED. WE ASK THAT YOU CONVERT AND GIVE HER NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND PLEASE DIRECT ALL OF YOUR COMES

TO THE CITY COUNCIL. >> HAPPY NEW YEAR. SUSAN BOTH GOT 1188 EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE. TRADITIONALLY I LIKE TO START THE NEARBY TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT I RECOGNIZE OR USE THAT'S GOOD WITH THE CITY OF AUBURN THAT MAYBE OTHER CITIZENS DON'T KNOW ABOUT. WHEN THAT I APPRECIATE IS THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A POPULAR THING. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE WAITING IN LINE FOR IT TO OPEN, SO, IT'S INCREDIBLY WELL ORGANIZED, AND USEFUL. THE CHRISTMAS TOY DRIVE IS ANOTHER THING THAT IT SEEMS CITIZENS ENJOY, AND THAT IS BENEFICIAL. I APPRECIATE THE OPEN MIND NEWSLETTER. IT COMES PRINTED IN MY WATER BILL, AND I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION THAT I MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE GET AND MAKE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR OFFICE SO SOMEBODY'S DOING A GOOD JOB OVER THERE. THE COOKING OIL RECYCLING I LEARNED ABOUT WHEN I DID THE CITIZENS ACADEMY, SO, I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THAT OTHERWISE. CITIZENS ACADEMY IS ANOTHER GOOD THING THAT THE CITY OF AUBURN DOES. I LEARNED A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS THERE, SO, I KNOW THAT'S A POPULAR THING THAT THE CITY DOES. ALSO, THE FIX-IT APP. WHEN YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHO TO CONTACT WHEN THERE'S JUST A MINOR PROBLEM, I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE

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MORE PROGRESS IS BEING MADE IN RURAL HEALTH CARE ON THE ON MID TELEHEALTH STATIONS. WE HAVE ONE IN LAFAYETTE AND IN FOR THAT HELPS RELIEVE SOME OF THE PRESSURE THERE FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T AFFORD HEALTHCARE. MR. WILKINS AND I DID A PRESENTATION ON THE HARM THAT THE PHARMACY BENEFIT MANAGERS WERE CAUSING TO THE FIRM CEASED AROUND THE STATE. OUR LEGISLATORS HEARD FROM US AND OTHER CITIZENS ACROSS THE STATE AND PASSED A BILL TO GIVE SOME RELIEF TO THE PHARMACIES, SO, IT IS ALSO NOW A NATIONAL ISSUE. THE ALABAMA PUBLIC LIBRARY SERVICE LISTENED TO THE CITIZENS IN SCIENCE AND CHANGE THE STATE LIBRARY GUIDELINES TO PROTECT MINORS BY REQUIRING RELOCATION OF MATERIALS THAT POSITIVELY DEPICT TRANSGENDER PROCEDURES, GENDER IDEOLOGY OR CONCEPTS BEYOND TWO BIOLOGICAL JITTERS, CLASSIFYING THEM AS INAPPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND CHOOSE TO MAKE 2026 GREAT.

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>> ROBERT WILKINS, 261 DENSKIN DR , AUBURN. I REGRETTED IN 2025, I, ROBERT WILKINS WAS NOT ABLE TO CONVEY THE SINCERE CONCERNS THAT WE AUBURN CITIZENS HAVE FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN THAT WE ALL LOVE. IN 2025, I PERSONALLY SPENT OVER 900 HOURS THROUGH AUBURN'S VOICE PRODUCTION PRODUCING 29 VIDEOS THAT ADD UP OVER 86,000 VIEWS WITH THOUSANDS OF LAKES BY OUR FELLOW AUBURN NEIGHBORHOODS ON NEXT-DOOR OUTCOME. I ATTENDED MANY MEETINGS. 19 CITY KANSAS, SIX PARKS AND RECREATION, FOUR BUDGETS. NEIGHBORS RESPONSE, SOUTH COLLEGE STREET. WE'VE ONLY BEEN AT AUBURN FIVE YEARS, BUT I CAN SEE THE CHANGE IN THE SHORT PERIOD. HAD WE GET THESE DEFT ALLEGATIONS VOTED OUT? WHAT CAN WE ORDINARY CITIZENS DO TO HELP OUT? PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN AS FAR AS THE LOVELESS VILLAGE ON THE PLANES -- WHEN SHADY GLEN IS THE MOST, IT WILL BE THE LAST NAIL IN THE COFFIN. BECAUSE WHILE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A PLAN FOR CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY STICK TO THE PLAN REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY, BE USED FOR THE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR SCHOOLS, ANY CHANGES ARE AN AFTERTHOUGHT. INSTEAD OF BEING PROACTIVE WHEN YOU SEE CHANGES. HILLBROOK ALDER TREE.

ALL THE MONEY. I DID NOT WANT THE SEED DOWNTOWN CHANGE, EITHER. FELT SOME OF THE SAME SENTIMENT. KERRY WOODS, YOU ARE SPOT ON. THE POWERS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY RUINED DOWNTOWN AUBURN. GREED HAS COVERED ALL THAT DECISION. IT IS REALLY SAD.

AUBURN IS NOW THE UGLIEST ON. GREALISH. GLEN HAVEN. WHAT EXACTLY HAS AUBURN CITY COUNCIL DONE TO IMPROVE OUR CITY? IT APPEARS TO ME THEY JUST GO ALONG WITH THE AGENDA THAT IS LAID OUT BEFORE THEM. THEIR DECISIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT, AND THEY SHOW FAVORITISM TOWARDS CERTAIN PEOPLE. AUBURN, I KNOW IT'S A TREND, BUT IT SHOULD'VE SAID EASY TO TRASH, HARD TO CLEAN, AND THEY GOT PAID TO THINK OF THIS NONSENSE WITH THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSES. TV THE. FOR DECADES I'VE LIVED HERE AND FOLLOWED CITY COUNCIL. I'VE YET TO SEE ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE COME OUT OF AUBURN'S VOICING THEIR CONCERNS. THEIR MIND IS ALREADY NEEDED BEFORE THE MEETING. IT'S JUST A NICE GESTURE TO ALLOW CITIZENS TO SPEAK. WHIPPOORWILL -- STATE SORRY THIS IS NICE TO SEE SOME OF QUESTIONING AND BETTER REASONS TO BUY 50,000 OTHER VEHICLES. THERE HAVE BEEN LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF THESE RESPONSES LIKE THESE IN 2025 BUT NOW, NOT OUT OF ANGER, BUT OUT OF LOVE FOR THEIR CITY OF AUBURN. IN 2026, PLEASE LISTEN

TO YOUR HEARTS. THANK YOU. >> WHO WILL BE NEXT?

>> HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS SARAH COLLINS. I MET 875, THE

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>> THANK YOU. >> WHO WILL BE NEXT?

>> OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE CITIZENS OPEN FORM. IT DOES ANYTHING THEY

WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >> DEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMING UP ON GRAY AVENUE. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES THERE PUTTING UP THERE? BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SO CONGESTED. THEN YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC. OH MAN. IT'S ALREADY A MESS. AND I WAS LOOKING SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN BUILDING THEIR BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT THERE, BUY IT, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, IN THE WORLD ALL OF THE CARS ARE GOING TO GET IN AND OUT. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY

IN AND ONE WAY OUT. >> ALL RIGHT, YEAH.

] MICROPHONE ON. IT IS 39 HOMES. IT'S RIGHT AT THE MAX OF DENSITY FOR THE SITE BECAUSE I GUESS IT IS ACRE. I THINK THERE'S THREESCORE AND FIVE THAT'S IN THERE. BUT, I DO THINK UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL ON A WAIVER REQUEST FOR A -- OVER THERE. BUT THEY'RE

MAKING SIGNIFICANT --, TOO. >> YOU MEAN THERE PUTTING IN A BIG SARAH KEMP LIGHTING. WAS THIS AND THAT CAME BEFORE THE

CITY COUNCIL? >> CONDITIONALLY. BUT I GUESS IT WAS ALL -- BUT YEAH, THERE IS THE SUBDIVISION PLAT AND ALL THAT WENT BECAUSE IT WAS THE MIXED-USE PROJECT. BUT YEAH.

THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STREETSCAPE. AS YOU SEE, IT'S ABOUT A 10, 12 FOOT DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN WHAT THE SITE IS VERSUS WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS, SO THAT'S PRETTY

SIGNIFICANT, TOO. >> WE HAVE BRANDY COULD NOT BE WITH US IN IT. HAVE ONE OF OUR MOST SENIOR ENGINEERS. AND, DO YOU RECALL AT THIS REQUIRED TRAFFIC STUDY?

>> NO. IT DIDN'T. IT DIDN'T TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT.

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>> BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS PRODUCED BUT IT DID NOT TRIGGER

THAT REQUIREMENT. >> RIGHT.

>> BUT AS YOU WERE SAYING, THEY DID OR DID NOT GET A WAIVER FOR TERM LENGTH? THEY DID? WHO IS ISSUING THAT WAIVER? THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WAS NOT ISSUED BY THE STAFF.

>> RIGHT. >> AND YOU THINK IN OUR CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE ARE EMBARKING ON THEY WILL LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION TO SEE IF THAT WARRANTS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL OF ANY KIND, OR TRAFFIC -- BECAUSE IT IS HARD --

>> WE ARE EVALUATING A LOT OF THINGS, WHICH YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IS TWO SIGNALS THAT CLOSE TOGETHER ARE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DEAL WITH, AND SO, SOMETIMES, THERE'S OPTIONS OF NOT ALLOWING LEFT TURNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT. AND SO ALL THINGS WILL BE EVALUATED BUT WHEN YOU DO SIGNALS LIKE THAT AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE RAILROAD TRACKS, EVERYTHING IS TO WORK IN TANDEM, SO I'M SURE, THEN, YOU MAY NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, IT'S BEING -- WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CITY LIGHTS THAT HE AND ALL THE DECISIONS LIKE THAT WOULD IMPROVE THIS

MIGHT BE READ COMMITTED. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> TO CLARIFY, THERE IS OR THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A TURN LANE?

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>> THERE IS NOT. >> THERE IS NOT.

>> A WAIVER WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FOR THE STAFF. THE APPEAL AUTHORITY IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> -- THE LEFT TURN THIS DISH WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR YOU. LET ME GIVE YOU ACCURATE INFORMATION. ONE OF THE TURN LANES WAS WAIVED BUT HAPPY TO EMAIL CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS.

>> SO WHERE IS THIS? >> I'LL SEND YOU SOME PLANTS.

THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE ON BACK AVENUE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO DO ANY OTHERS ON SIDE STREETS.

>> NO. IT'S ON -- IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT'S ON

THE NEAR SIDE OF BRAGG AVENUE. >> AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND SITE PLANS AND THINGS TO CITY COUNCIL. WE WERE NOT OVERLY PREPARED AT THE MOMENT TO ANSWER ALL THE OTHER PLANS AND DETAILED

QUESTIONS. >> AND ALSO, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT -- VOMIT ON THE BOARD. MARTIN LUTHER KING NEXT TO THE CHURCH.

OKAY. IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM THERE, TOO. AND HE DIDN'T COME TO THE FULL CITY CANCEL, EITHER.

>> RAVING ABOUT THE RESERVE? >> NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT --

MARY BROOKS DRIVE. >> OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER MIXED-USE PROJECT, AND SO ON MLK, YOU CAN DO COTTAGES. YOU CAN DO COTTAGES. COTTAGE HOUSING. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE STAFF LEVEL WAS THAT WE GOT THEM TO AGREE TO DO MIXED-USE, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONTAGE OF MLK, BUT ON THE BACKSIDE, THERE'S GOING TO BE HOUSING. THAT IS BY RIGHT USES. SO THEY WENT -- THEY WENT THE MIXED-USE ROUTE AS THE STAFF, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD'VE GOTTEN ALL KINDS OF -- BY RIGHT ON CRDW RIGHT ON

THAT INTERSECTION. >> THEY ARE NOT UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO BUILD COMMERCIAL. SOMETIMES, YOU HAVE A CUSHIONS LIKE WHY DID THE RESIDENTIAL GO FIRST. THERE ISN'T AN OBLIGATION TO BUILD THE COMMERCIAL. IT IS -- THEY'VE AGREED TO DO IT, BUT IF THERE IS NOT A MARKET AND THEY DO NOT DECIDE TO PROCEED, THE HOUSING CAN OPEN WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL

BEING DONE. >> YUP.

>> I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A BAIT AND SWITCH BUT I'M SEEING THE REALITY IS THAT THINKING BE DONE AND THEY CANNOT DO THE COMMERCIAL BASED ON MARKET COMMISSIONS IT'S OFTEN UP TO

THEM. >> OFTENTIMES IT'S DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS SOMETIMES THEY SPECIALIZE IN ONE OR THE OTHER.

RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT DEVELOPERS. THEY CAN OFTEN MOVE FASTER REALIZING THEIR PROFITS VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL GUYS AND ONCE THERE'S A MARKET COME IN,

SO. >> SO, YOU -- THERE'S -- THERE'S AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN ENTER ON MARY BROOKS DRIVE.

THAT'S TOO, RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT SHOULD BE DISH I GUESS I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN FOR ME.

>> I THINK WE WILL SEND YOU PLANS AGAIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PREPARED IN THE MOMENT TO RESPOND. IN A, HOW TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU THE RIGHT INFORMATION. I WOULD RATHER SEND IT TO YOU, TONY AND I CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY, CUDDLY.

>> BUT YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL.

>> NO, I DO, SO IT WAS GOING TO BE NOT -- NOT UP, PULL UP THAT WAY ANYONE WHO LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY COULD PULL UP AND COMMERCIAL STALLS. REALLY KIND OF MICROSCALE, LOOKING AT IT. IT WAS A CONCEPT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A MIXED-USE HOUSING IN THE BACK AND KIND OF A MICROSCOPE COMMERCIAL UP FRONT WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT STYLES SO 4 TO 5 DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS.

>> RIGHT, BUT AGAIN, WITH NO TENANTS IN PLACE AND SO ON, I WANT TO CAUTION EVERYBODY THAT THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT -- WE DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMMERCIAL. IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF THE GROUND YET, AND WE DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF TENANTS, SO JUST WANT TO CAUTION THAT THAT'S WHAT COULD GO THERE, BUT

I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT WILL. >> HOW MANY HOUSES? DO YOU KNOW?

>> LET US GET YOU THE PLANS. AGAIN.

>> I KNOW WE HAVE LONG DESIRED TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL ON THAT

SIDE OF TOWN. >> ABSOLUTELY AND WE TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. SO WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE AS BEST THEY CAN TO GET COMMERCIAL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT, YEAH. I JUST DON'T WANT TO

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