[ROLL CALL ] [00:00:06] >> GOOD EVENING. LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO THE AUBURN CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2026. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> DANA CAMP. >> HERE. >> ANNA SOLOMON. VANESSA ECHOLS. JENNIFER LOVVORN. JOSEPH AISTRUP. PHIL CHANSLER. JENNIFER STEPHENS. OSCAR MOSELEY. WALTER DAVIS. >> THE PROCESS FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE AUBURN PLANNING COMMISSION. THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE AGENDA ITEM WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS AND/OR ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. I WILL THEN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AS APPROPRIATE, AND THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AT HAND. WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEARD. I ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR TIME TO TALK TO FIVE MINUTES AND PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS RELATIVE TO THE CASE. AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE REPRESENTATIVE AND STAFF WILL THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND RESPOND TO ISSUES BROUGHT UP DURING THE HEARING. THEN I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION, MOTIONS, AND A VOTE. THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2030, AND FOR THE GENERAL GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. HAVING SUMMARIZED THE BASICS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AND VOTING PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO SUMMARIZE OUR ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY RELATED TO THE APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLATS. BY ALABAMA STATUTE, A PLANNING COMMISSION SUCH AS OURS IS THE FINAL APPROVAL ORDER FOR SUBDIVISION PLATS. THE COMMISSION ACCESSES ADMINISTRATION BODY AND BOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS CONTAINED IN STATE LAWS. THE ZONING ORDERINANTS IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THIS COMMISSION. WHILE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED ON MOST PLATS, WE WELCOME [INDISCERNIBLE] AND THE AUTHORITY IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO AFFIRMING THAT THE PLAT MEETS OR NEEDS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS CODIFIED IN LAW AND REGULATIONS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED. IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK DURING ANY PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, PLEASE SIGN IN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO FIVE MINUTES. FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT FOR THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE. AS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF SUBDIVISION DECISIONS. ALL OTHER DECISIONS WILL BE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CONSIDERATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S POSITION. THANK YOU. OKAY. >> I DID WANT TO INTERJECT. SO DUE TO I GUESS THE DECISION OF AN APPLICANT EARLIER THIS WEEK AND I THINK LAST WEEK, SLOTER'S RESERVE IS NOT ON THIS AGENDA. IT WAS PULLED BY THE APPLICANTS. SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE PULLED FOR PTHAT AREA. THERE WILL NOT BE A SPECIFIC PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT TONIGHT AND THAT ITEM WILL NOT BE VOTED ON. I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR ANYBODY IN THE CROWD WHO CAME OUT FOR THAT. AT THE TIME IT WAS PULLED BY THE APPLICANT, APO WAS ALREADY OUT AND THERE WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SLOTER'S RESERVE TONIGHT. [CITIZENS’ COMMUNICATION ] >> ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. CITIZENS COMMUNICATION FOR ANYONE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SO ANYBODY WELCOME ON UP HERE TO SPEAK. [CONSENT AGENDA ] OKAY. CLOSED CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. OLD BUSINESS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE PACKET MEETING AUGUST 10TH AND REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 13TH, THE GAITHER ANNEXATION AND THE FINAL PLAT FOR BINFORD DRIVE. DOES ANY COMMISSIONER WISH TO REMOVE -- >> I MOVE TO APPROVE -- >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT IS NEW [3. Final Plat – The Preserve Phase 6D ] BUSINESS. FINAL PLAT, PRESERVE PHASE 6D. >> ALL RIGHT, SO ONE OF THE PLANNERS HAD TO GO HOME SICK TODAY, SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF ME TALKING TONIGHT. [00:05:01] SO THE PRESERVE PHASE 6D, FORMALLY FINAL PLATS ARE ON CONSENT AGENDA, BUT THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE TABLED AND CONTINUED TO THE NEXT MEETING, AND I'LL GO OVER WHY. THIS IS A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THIS IS A PART OF THE PRESERVE UP NORTH OF WEST FARMVILLE ROAD. WE GO TO THE PLATS. LIKE WE DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING ON MONDAY, THERE IS SEWER THAT IS DEPENDENT -- THERE IS ANOTHER PHASE OF SEWER DEPENDENT ON THIS AND IT CANNOT MOVE FORWARD YET. AND THEN ALSO, THERE IS THE HUNDRED-YEAR FLOOD PLAIN IS NOT ACCURATELY REFLECTED ON THIS MAP. LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATS, PRELIMINARY PLATS ARE HYPOTHETICAL EDUCATED GUESSES. FINAL PLATS ARE SUPPOSED TO REFLECT HARD-CORE ENGINEERED PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND HAVE BEEN REVIEWED, AND ANY DISCREPANCIES OF THOSE NEED TO BE IRONED OUT BEFORE WE GET TO AN APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT. THAT IS WHERE THIS IS. I SAID THERE ARE STILL SOME DISCREPANCIES THAT WERE. REVISION SUBMITTED, BUT STILL DISCREPANCIES ON THAT ONE AS WELL. SO THIS WAS SOMETHING THEY AGREED TO TO HAVE THIS FINAL PLAT TABLED TO NEXT MONTH. >> I MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THE FINAL PLAT RESERVE PHASE 6D UNTIL OCTOBER 8TH? >> POSTPONEMENT, NOT TABLED. I'M SORRY. >> I MAKE THE MOTION TO POSTPONE THE FINAL PLAT UNTIL OCTOBER 8TH? >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE THE PRESERVE PHASE 6D TO OCTOBER THE 8TH MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? [4. Annexation – Eastlyn Property ] ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT, EASTLYN PROPERTY. SO THERE ARE THREE ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ONE, AND SO THERE'S ANNEXATION, THE REZONING AND PRELIMINARY PLAT. THE ANNEXATION DOES NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THE REZONING DOES. AND SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT INFLUENCE ANNEXATIONS, REZONINGS AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. I'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT'S RELEVANT IN REGARDS TO THE ANNEXATION ON THIS ONE. THERE ARE BROADER TOPICS THAT ARE RELEVANT ON THE REZONING AND I'LL GET IN ON THAT ONE. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO ANNEX APPROXIMATELY 14.2 ACRES INTO THE CITY. THIS IS UP ON OLD MILK ROAD, WOODWARD OAKS TRAIL, REALLY BETWEEN WOODWARD OAKS AND AUBURN FARMS. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THOSE ARE THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ON THE MAP THAT IS AUBURN FARMS TO THE RIGHT AND THAT IS WOODWARD OAKS TO THE LEFT. THE UNDERLYING BASE ZONING OF THOSE IS DDH, BUT FROM AN ANNEXATION PRIORITY STANDPOINT, THIS WAS DESIGNATED AS HIGH. AS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP SHOWS, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OVER HERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. ANNEXING THIS WOULD ADDRESS A ENCLAVE. AS THE CITY IS AWARE OF, THERE WAS A LOT OF PLAN JUST AROUND CONTINUING AUBURN FARMS DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF PICKING THAT BACK UP AND LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF MIRACLE ROAD. THIS HAS AN ANNEXATION PRIORITY OF HIGH. >> COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? MOTIONS? >> MOTION TO APPROVE EASTLYN SUBDIVISION ANNEXATION. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE EASTLYN SUBDIVISION ANNEXATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [5. Rezoning – Eastlyn Property – PUBLIC HEARING ] ANY OPPOSED? >> OKAY, SO THE REZONING, SO THE ACTUAL REQUEST IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CITY COUNCIL REZONE APPROXIMATELY 14.2 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING. SO I SAID ON THE LAST ONE, FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, WHENEVER ANYTHING IS ANNEXED, IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES IN WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF RURAL. THAT'S THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT NEEDS TO BE REZONED TO DDH, SO THIS REFORMS CONDITIONAL USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE FUTURE USE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR DDH, DENSITY IS FOUR [00:10:01] DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, COMPLIANT WITH WHAT LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS. THERE'S A PROPOSED EXHIBIT THAT DOES SHOW THE LOTS. I THINK IT'S UNDER THREE DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. AS WE DID GET A LETTER EARLIER TODAY JUST AROUND DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND HOW THAT WAS RELEVANT, I THINK THERE WILL BE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT FROM A REZONING STANDPOINT, THIS IS ON PAR WITH IT. A LOT OF THIS AREA HAS DEVELOPED AND DRAMATICALLY CHANGED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE PROGRESS RECENTLY WITH AUBURN FARMS. FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS DRIVEN BACK THERE, AUBURN FARMS WAS PLOTTED OUT, CONSTRUCTED, ALL THE LOTS WERE THERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY, IT WAS A GHOST TOWN FOR A WHILE. NOW IT'S PICKED UP AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT EXPANSION OF FUTURE PHASES OF AUBURN FARMS. SO THAT AREA IS RAPIDLY DEVELOPING AND THIS COMING IN AND BEING ANOTHER LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SINGLE HOUSE SUBDIVISION, REZONING MAKES SENSE. >> THIS IS PERTAINING TO THE REZONING FROM RURAL TO DDH AND IS APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANTS REPRESENTATIVE HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING FOR REZONING. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE REZONING OF THE EASTLYN PROPERTY. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? >> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS ROAD C, IS THAT A STUBOUT OR DOES THAT EMPTY ON TO ANOTHER ROAD? >> YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE A SUB-OUT TO ADJACENT I DON'T WANT TO SAY VACANT PROPERTY BUT LAND THAT HADN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET. THAT'S JUST KIND OF STANDARD FOR WHAT WE DO FOR PROPERTY THAT IS WITHIN THE BOUNDARY THAT HAS A FUTURE LANE USE THAT'S MORE DENSE THAN WHAT THE CURRENT LANE USE IS. SO THAT'S STANDARD. >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? >> MOVE TO APPROVE CASE RZ RZ-2026-019. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE EASTLYN SUBDIVISION DDH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS THE [6. Preliminary Plat – Eastlyn Property – PUBLIC HEARING] PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE EASTLYN PROPERTY. >> ALL RIGHT, SO ACTION REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A 38-LOT PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION (36 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND TWO OPEN SPACE LOTS). IN THE PAST, IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO EXAMINE. LET ME SLOW DOWN. NORMALLY, YOU GUYS WILL SEE THREE OR FOUR APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ON ONE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE THE ANNEXATION, TWO REZONES AND A PLAT ASSOCIATE WE HAD IT. ON THIS ONE, WE ARE GOING TO DO THE ANNEXATION AND THE REZONING. THOSE ARE GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL AND BE APPROVED BEFORE WE CONSIDER THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. AND SO I THINK IN THE PAST, WE'VE DONE IT WHERE THERE'S BEEN CONDITIONS WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OBVIOUSLY ON THE CONDITION IT GETS ANNEXED AND REZONED AND IF NOT, WE GET THROWN OUT. ON THIS ONE, WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. BUT SIMILAR TO MY PAST COMMENTS, I SAID FROM A FUTURE LAND-USE STANDPOINT, THIS MEETS FROM A SIMILAR CHARACTER OF DEVELOPMENT, THIS MEETS -- THERE ARE AND THERE ARE NO REAL SURPRISES, I THINK, FOR EVERYTHING IN THIS AREA, LIKE I SAID, I THINK OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, HAS BEEN A RAPID DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND I THINK OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN A RAMPING UP OF PUTTING MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND KIND OF REACTIVATING APPROVED PEDS IN THE AREA. THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. LIKE I SAID, I THINK FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, THERE'S A DESIRE FOR THE ANNEXATION AND THE REZONING BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL BEFORE CONSIDERING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. >> SO I NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE CASE PP2026-014 TO DATE CERTAIN OF NOVEMBER 12TH. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO [00:15:02] POSTPONE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF EASTLYN PROPERTY TO NOVEMBER [7. Preliminary Plat – The Meadows – PUBLIC HEARING ] 12TH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. NEXT IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE MEADOWS. >> WE RECEIVED A GOOD NUMBER OF CALLS ABOUT THIS. I'LL OUTLINE SOME OF THEM. SOME OF THEM WERE QUESTIONS OF STAFF. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO JUST THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, SO THE INFORMATION JUST KIND OF REQUIRED ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT BY OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, NAMES OF MAILING ADDRESSES, OWNERS, TAX RECORDS, APPLICANT FORMS, NORMALLY THAT'S WITH THE ENGINEERING, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TABULATIONS STATING THE GROSS AREA OF THE TOTAL SUBDIVISION AND ALSO JUST KIND OF GENERAL LOT SIZES AND THEN LOCATIONS, RIVER, SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS, FLOODLANDS, WATERS OF THE U.S., WHICH IS KIND OF VARIES. THAT IS THE LIST OF WHAT'S UNDER SCRUTINY UNDER PRELIMINARY PLATS. SO I KNOW FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T DEAL WITH IT ON THE DAY-TO-DAY AND I GUESS DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT ON A DAY-TO-DAY, PRELIMINARY PLATS DO SEEM LIKE THEY LEAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS UNANSWERED. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PRELIMINARY, AND THEY ARE NOT TASKED WITH ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS YET. SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BEFORE WE GET IN TO THE PRESENTATION OF THIS ITEM AND THEN I'LL ACCEPTED -- SEND TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS FAR AS MEETING THE BASELINE OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS DIFFERENT FROM MEETING THE THRESHOLD FOR BEING AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT, APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT ALLOWS SOMEONE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND ENGINEERING PLANS AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS AND THEN PERFECT SEEMS HEAVY, BUT PERFECT THE SUBDIVISION FROM A SUBDIVISION REGULATION AND DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PRESENT. >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY -- >> I'M GOING TO STEP BACK. >> CAN YOU PUT IN THE MINUTES THAT COMMISSIONER STEPHENS RECUSED HERSELF. >> ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF A 46-LOT CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION CONSISTING OF 45 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ONE OPEN SPACE LOT. >> CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> MICROPHONE. >> SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT IS TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY 19.7 ACRES IN TO 46-LOT CONDITIONAL SUBDIVISION, 45 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ONE OPEN SPACE LOT. THE PROPERTY IS SPLIT ZONED NC18 AND DDH. THE THREE NC18 LOTS ARE AT THE TOP OF THE PLAT RIGHT THERE. THEY ARE ALL GREATER THAN 20,000 SQUARE FEET. FOR NC18, WE REQUIRE AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM. THE REMAINING LOTS ARE ALL WITHIN THE DDH ZONING DISTRICT. THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IN A CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION FOR DDH ZONING DISTRICT IS FOUR DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE. THIS COMES IN AT 2.33 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM. OPEN SPACE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT IN CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISIONS, HOWEVER, ONE OPEN SPACE LOT IS BEING PROVIDED IN THIS APPROXIMATELY 1.78 ACRES. BECAUSE IT'S A SPLIT ZONE, THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE GOVERNED BY TWO DIFFERENT TABLES -- >> PLEASE SPEAK UP. >> TWO DIFFERENT TABLES FOR LOT BULK REGULATIONS, TABLE 5.1 WILL GOVERN THE DDH LOTS AND TABLE 5.2 WILL GOVERN THE NC LOTS. TWO COMMENTS OF IMPORTANCE. ENGINEERING HAS REQUESTED A WAIVER TO BE REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT TO REDUCE THE PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE TWO STREETS THAT ARE KIND OF INTERNAL THAT DON'T HIT SHELTON MILL, AND THEN ONE OF THE COMMENTS IS THAT THE HOMES ON NORTH COLLEGE AND SANDER STREET MUST ADDRESS THE STREET WHILE TAKING ACCESS FROM THE INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, RIGHT NOW? OKAY. I THINK I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST AS FAR -- AND SINCE IT'S PRELIMINARY, WE MAY NOT KNOW YET. LOT 45 LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE IN A FLOOD ZONE OR -- [00:20:02] >> YES, SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE FOUND OUT THAN JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION, LOOKING AT THE STREET THAT CONNECTS TO SANDERS AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE THROUGH THE DRT. DO WE KNOW ANY PLANS ABOUT TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT SANDERS? >> I'LL LET ENGINEERING TAKE THAT ONE. >> DURING THE DRT PROCESS, WE WILL TASK THEM WITH PROVIDING TASK COUNT DATA AND DOING TRAFFIC STUDY IMPROVEMENTS. WHATEVER THOSE STUDIES MAY DERIVE, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FOR IMPROVEMENT INSIDE THOSE AREAS. SO NOT UNTIL WE GET TO THAT DRT PROCESS. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONERS? PRELIMINARY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, IS THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANT'S REP HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JOSH MURA, I'M HERE WITH SANFORD GROUP, 2449 MOOR'S MILL AT SUITE 120. YES, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE ADDITIONAL THING. THE LOTS THAT FRONT NORTH COLLEGE, THOSE WILL HAVE REAR ACCESS, SAME WITH THE LOTS THAT ARE FRONTING SANDER STREET. SO THERE WILL BE NO INDIVIDUAL ADDRESS THAT WILL BE PROPOSED ONTO NORTH COLLEGE AND SANDER STREET. THEY WILL TAKE ACCESS FROM THE INTERNAL PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'VE WORKED IN A LOT OF CORROBLLABORN ON WITH MICHAEL AND THE STAFF AND WE ALL AGREE THIS IS THE BEST FOR THE PROPERTY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> I'M SURE YOU WILL HAVE SOME AFTER PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT, THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE MEADOWS. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY SIGNED IN, PLEASE SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET AFTER YOU'VE SPOKEN. OKAY, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MEADOWS? >> MY NAME IS LARRY WILSON, 842 NORTH CARY. I BORDER THIS PROPERTY ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS, BEHIND OUR HOMES THERE, NORTH OF THE PROPOSED ROAD, IS THIS AREA GOING TO BE -- I GUESS THERE'S CREEKS AND STREAMS AND STUFF BACK THERE. IS THIS AREA GOING TO BE CLEAR-CUTTED AND RETENTION PONDS OR ARE WE GOING TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS NOW? THE GROWTH AND TREES, IS THAT AREA GOING TO STAY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME? THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ALSO THE ROAD THAT'S COMING -- AND I'LL ASK MY QUESTIONS AND MOVE ON -- THE ROAD ON SANDER STREET, THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, TWO TIMES A DAY, THAT SANDER STREET IS ONE WAY. TWO TIMES A DAY FOR ABOUT TWO HOURS, IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON WHEN SCHOOL IS IN AND OUT. YOU HAVE THREE PUBLIC SERVICE OFFICIALS THAT ARE AT THREE SPOTS THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC. SO ARE WE GOING TO TURN THIS CENTER STREET IN TO TWO-WAY TRAFFIC AND HAVE THE CITY'S GOING TO MONITOR HOW PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION ON THAT SIDE? THAT'S A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT THE LOW PART ON THIS PROPERTY, EVERYTHING FROM... AND SINCE THE NEW CARYWOOD SCHOOL WAS BUILT, IT HAS FLOODED. SO YOU'RE ADDING THIS ROAD THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW A RIVER TO RUN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S ALREADY FLOODED A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE FEW SHORT YEARS IT'S BEEN OPENED. THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. WHEN YOU CLEAR CUT FOR ALL THESE OTHER LOTS HERE, THAT WATER IS GOING TO DRAIN STRAIGHT TO THAT LOW AREA. THERE'S GOT TO BE A PLAN, YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S MY QUESTIONS AND THEY CAN ANSWER LATER. THANK YOU. >> WHO WOULD BE NEXT? [APPLAUSE] >> MY NAME IS CHAD CUNNINGHAM, 516 OWENS ROAD. THAT'S NOT MY BACKYARD. I WAS GOING TO LEAVE THAT TO THEM TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO BE HERE TO [00:25:04] TALK. I HAVE SEVEN CHILDREN, THREE OF THEM CURRENTLY ARE THREE OF 450 STUDENTS AT CARYWOOD SCHOOL. THREE SONS ARE THERE RIGHT NOW, TWO OF MY DAUGHTERS HAVE MADE IT THROUGH. ONE AT PICKONEE SANFORD AND TWO MORE CUNNINGHAM TWINS THAT WILL GRACE THE HALLS OF THAT SCHOOL IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M HERE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT ROAD COMING OUT ON TO SANDERS. MY WIFE IS THE TRAFFIC CONTROL EXPERT OVER THERE BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN GOING TO THAT SCHOOL FOR YEARS, KNOWS ALL THE CROSSING GUARDS BY NAME, AND JUST FOR US TO CONSIDER AND FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE IT'S PRELIMINARY AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THAT AREA BEING DEVELOPED. IT'S A KUDZU JUNGLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL. FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, THAT WILL BE MADE AN EFFORT. I'M NOT SURE WHY A ROAD HAS TO COME OUT ON SANDERS IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL RIGHT WHERE THE BUS LOOP IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BENEFIT IT IS. BECAUSE IF I WERE LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT OUTLET WOULD RATHER BE USELESS BECAUSE THE TWO MOST BUSY TIMES THAT I WOULD BE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF MY DAY, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TURN OUT ONTO THAT ROAD. AND TO ME, IT'S JUST OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS FOR THE SCHOOL, WHO FROM WHAT I GATHER HASN'T HAD A WHOLE LOT OF THOUGHT OR BEEN ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK, AND I HOPE THAT, AGAIN, IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND TO WHAT THEY THINK, TALKED TO DR. ANDERSON AND THE PEOPLE AT CARYWOODS, TALK TO THE PEOPLE AT CENTRAL OFFICE, BUT THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE HAVE 450 STUDENTS, NOT ALL OF THEM WALK AND RIDE THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL, BUT A LOT OF THEM DO AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. THAT FRANKLY SCARES ME. 46 HOMES, AVERAGE OF TWO CARS PER HOME IN AUBURN, ALABAMA. THAT'S 92 MORE VEHICLES EVERY MORNING AND AFTERNOON THAT WILL HAVE TO BE CONTENDED WITH. MY SECOND THING, AS MUCH AS THE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BUFFER IN THEIR BACKYARDS, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THAT PLACE. AGAIN, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HUGE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. AGAIN, IT'S PRELIMINARY, BUT WHEN 450 STUDENT FOR GENERATION AFTER GENERATION IS GOING TO BE STANDING OUT IN FRONT OF THAT SCHOOL THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE AND I'D HOPE THAT THEY CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER VIEW AND MORE INSPIRING VIEW THAN DOWN SHELTON MILL ROAD. AND I THINK WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE? AND WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS REALLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. AGAIN, IT'S A THICKET. IT CAN BE THINNED OUT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT, BUT THE THOUGHT OF EVERY TREE COMING DOWN AND ALL A STUDENT COULD LOOK OUT AND SEE AND WHAT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ENCLAVED EVERYTHING. YOU CAN FEEL AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GOING TO BE OPENED UP AND I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PROTECTED, NOT JUST LIKE ONE OR TWO OR THREE LEGACY TREES, BUT A TRUE GREEN SPACE THAT'S DEDICATED TO THAT TO HELP JUST MAINTAIN. I JUST PRAY YOU ALL WILL THINK ABOUT THAT AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS WILL ALL OF YOU AND I THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME. [APPLAUSE] >> ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? >> HEY, I'M CORY [INDISCERNIBLE] AT 9561 U.S. HIGHWAY 280 WEST IN AUBURN. WHENEVER I SAW THIS PROJECT, IT WAS POSTED ON NEXT DOOR, AND I SEE A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE LOCAL RESIDENTS. THEY'RE NOT REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. IT'S GOT A REALLY COOL NAME, THE METAS, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN, I DON'T -- THE MEADOWS, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY MEADOWS OUT THERE. DESPITE THE KUDZU OUT THERE, THIS IS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. TAKE THE KUDZU OUT AND YOU WILL FIND AN AMAZING SPACE IN THERE. I LOOKED UP AND I WAS LIKE, I WONDER WHAT THE MOST EXPENSIVE PIECE OF RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE IN NEW YORK CITY IS. IT'S RIGHT ON CENTRAL PARK WHERE THEY HAVE TREES. PEOPLE VALUE TREES. FOR THE LAST 26 YEARS I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, I GO OUT TO MY CUSTOMERS AND I SAY, HEY, WOULD YOU HAVE PAID MORE FOR YOUR LOT IF THEY LEFT THE TREES? I'VE NEVER HAD ANYONE GO, NO, I WOULDN'T. [00:30:01] PEOPLE WANT NATURE, PEOPLE APPRECIATE NATURE. SO I'M JUST THROWING OUT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT IDEA. INSTEAD OF DOING 46 RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO STRIP EVERY TREE OFF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A BUNCH OF BERMUDA GRASS AND A BUNCH OF CORNER PLANTINGS AND A STRAIGHT ROW OF BUSHES IN FRONT AND TAKE A PIECE OF LAND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL AND YOU'RE GOING TO DESTROY IT. WHAT IF YOU BROKE THIS UP IN TO A COUPLE OF CONDOMINIUMS? JUST A DIFFERENT IDEA. YOU CAN DO ONE CENTRAL ROAD THROUGH THERE. WHAT YOU WILL END UP DOING AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO COST MORE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING UP, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS DESTRUCTION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS DUMPING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS GRADING, LESS IRRI IRRIGATION, LESS GRASS, LESS ROADS, LESS DRAINAGE. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE COSTS THAT YOU CAN CUT DOWN ON, AND INSTEAD OF LOOKING OUT OVER SOME UGLY GRASSY LAWN, YOU CAN BE LOOKING IN TO TREES. I HAVE A CUSTOMER OVER OFF OF HAMILTON ROAD. HE BUILT HIS HOUSE IN THE TREES AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. SO WHAT I WANT TO PROPOSE IS JUST A PARADIGM SHIFT. I KNOW THE DEVELOPERS OUT HERE. YOU GUYS WANT TO MAKE MONEY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE WORKING. IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO MAKE MONEY THAT STILL PRESERVES THE NATURE HERE, THAT STILL KEEPS THE RESIDENTS OF CARY WOODS HAPPY, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. Y'ALL MENTIONED THE SCHOOL ACROSS THE WAY. IT CAN BE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE FOR THE KIDS TO GO AROUND. YOU MENTIONED SEEING THROUGH TO THE ROAD BECAUSE THE TREES HAVE BEEN CUT DOWN. THAT CAN BE PRESERVED. THERE'S A MUCH SIMPLER OUT OF THE BOX WAY OF DOING THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS OR THE DEVELOPERS TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL MAKE MONEY AND WE CAN STILL HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE IN AUBURN, ALABAMA. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. WHO'S NEXT? >> MY NAME IS DR. CHARLES HENDRICKS. I LIVE IN 875 NORTH CARY DRIVE. THE THREE BLOCKS UP AT THE TOP MUSKATEER "A," MUSKATEER "B," AND MUSKATEER "C." MRS. JOHN HAND LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT IN MUSKATEER "A." WE ARE IN MUSKATEER "B," AND WE'RE BOTH HERE TONIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY WIFE AND I MOVED IN HERE ON AUGUST THE 24TH, 1981. I WAS EMPLOYED AT ALUBURN UNIVERSITY FOR 34 YEARS, 7 MONTHS AND 7 DAYS. WE RETIRED HERE, WE DEVELOPED THE HOUSE, WE ENJOY THE HOUSE. WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED IN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THE THREE PROPERTIES AT THE TOP WILL BE LOOKING IN SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD, OKAY? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I HAVE A HOME. WE CAME HERE, DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE. IN THOSE DAYS, WE HAD SOMETHING CALLED RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. THEY'RE OVER IN THE COURTHOUSE. WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL 1995 BEFORE WE COULD -- >> SIR, WOULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THOSE AT HOME COULD HEAR. >> YES, MA'AM. I'LL SPEAK SLOWLY ALSO. THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS EXPIRED IN 1985 BEFORE WE COULD BUILD THE GARAGE OUT TO THE FRONT. WHEN WE BUILD THE GARAGE OUT TO THE FRONT, WE ALSO PUT A PATIO OUT FRONT, WHAT I CALL MY LITTLE PIAZZA SO WE CAN LOOK AT NICE THINGS GO BY. WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED IS I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD AND I LIVE ON CARY DRIVE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S QUITE FAIR. I REALLY DON'T. CARY DRIVE, THERE'S NO PLACE ON THE WHOLE STREET WHERE SOMEBODY LOOKS IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S BACKYARD. I THINK THAT ENTRANCES TO THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD BE MUCH BETTER. I REALLY DO. AND MRS. ROBERTA HAND HAS ALSO PUT SOME THINGS DOWN REGARDING THESE THREE LOTS, NOT CLEAR CUT THE LAND UNTIL THE LOTS ARE SOLD. THIS WILL GIVE THE NEW OWNERS A CHANCE TO DECIDE WHAT GREENERY THEY WANT TO KEEP OR DISPOSE OF, ALSO GIVE OUR MISPLACED WILDLIFE TEMPORARY PLACES TO HIDE WHILE THE HOMES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED. SHE ALSO ASKS THAT THE LAND ADJACENT ON NORTH CARY DRIVE BE NATURAL DRAINAGE, JOIN THE REST OF THE DRAINAGE AREA, COLLEGE STREET AND SANDER STREET. IT WOULD SAVE TIME AND MONEY IN [00:35:03] DEVELOPING THIS PARTICULAR DIFFICULT SECTION OF THE PROPERTY. I WAS HERE FIRST. [LAUGHTER] I WAS HERE FIRST. >> PLEASE LET HIM SPEAK. >> I'M SORRY, I WASN'T TRYING TO BE FUNNY. I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA. I'M A GEORGIA BOY, BUT I'M AN AUBURN MAN, AND MY BONES SHALL ROT IN THIS TOWN, AND I LOVE IT. BUT I REALLY, REALLY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER KEEPING MUSKATEER A, B, AND C IN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND TRY TO KEEP IT AS FAR AS HOW IT LOOKS. THE FRONT HOUSES FRONTING ON TO CARY DRIVE AND NOT THE BACKSIDE OF IT. ANYWAY... >> THANK YOU. >> I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE. WHO WOULD BE NEXT? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BILL SMITH. I LIVE AT 1025 NORTH COLLEGE, AND I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, ONE COMMENT TO START WITH. I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST CONDOMINIUMS, AND I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE. I'M CONCERNED, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSED MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL BE FOR THE HOUSES. THE STYLE OF THE HOUSES. ARE THEY GOING TO BE BRICK HOUSES? ARE THEY GOING TO BE COTTAGES? YOU KNOW, WHAT STYLE IS ANTICIPATED? THE TREES. I THINK IF WE MANDATED THAT THE PRESERVATION OF THE TREES WOULD MATCH THE CARY WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD ACCEPT OR WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. UNDERSTAND, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD TAKE SOME REAL STRONG SUPERVISION FROM THE CITY, THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THAT WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE THE TREES, I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID THE TREES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. THEY MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE, AND THERE ARE WAYS TO KEEP FROM DESTROYING ALL THE TREES. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT TO BE A PART OF THIS FINAL LAYOUT IF YOU WILL. ANOTHER THING IS TO HAVE IN THE COVE COVENANTS... >> WE'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER. >> OKAY. OKAY. >> I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE ANTICIPATED PRICE OF THE AVERAGE HOME, WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATION OF THE PRICES? AND I'M SURE THE BUILDERS OR THE DEVELOPERS HAVE THAT NUMBER THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> MY HUSBAND MARK LILES AND I HAVE A PROPERTY THAT BORDERS THE SOUTH BORDER OF THIS PROPERTY. I SHARE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE ALREADY SHARED PREVIOUSLY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE AND FLOODING. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOT JUST INCREASED TRAFFIC ON SANDERS BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES TO CARY WOODS. CARY WOODS HAS PROBABLY MORE FOOT TRAFFIC AND FEWER BUSES THAN MOST OF THE SCHOOLS IN THE CITY, SO THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON SAFE TRANSPORTATION TO THE SCHOOL. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON NORTH COLLEGE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY ONLY A TWO-LANE ROAD AND THERE'S ALREADY CARS WAY BACKED UP TRYING TO GET TO CAMPUS IN THE MORNING. IF YOU'RE TRAVELING BETWEEN 7:30 AND 8 O'CLOCK, CARS ARE BACKED WAY UP, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A GARBAGE TRUCK, RIGHT, OR A TRUCK FOR MOVING TREES? AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S PLANS TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC ON NORTH COLLEGE. VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE STREETS SPILLING OUT RIGHT ACROSS FROM [00:40:01] THE SCHOOL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, CARS GO WAY TOO FAST DOWN SANDERS. I WISH IT WASN'T 25 MILES. I WISH IT WAS LESS. THERE'S PLACES ON CAMPUS THAT ARE LESS FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT FOR SOME REASONS, WE THINK IT'S OKAY FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE 25MPH IN FRONT OF CARY WOODS. SO LOTS OF CONCERNS. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULD HAVE LESS CONCENTRATED DEVELOPMENT THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IN SOME WAYS, IT'S GOOD TO BUILD HOUSES CLOSER TO CAMPUS, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO BUILD THAT WAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAS TO BE THAT DENSE, AND LASTLY, I'LL JUST SAY I'M ALREADY MOURNING THE LOSS OF OUR FOX AND OUR DEER THAT RUN THROUGH OUR BACKYARD ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT HABITAT FOR A LOT OF ANIMALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE. NEXT. >> I'M SHORTER, SO I HAVE TO MOVE THIS. I'M SUSAN YOUNGBLOOD. I'M AT 729 NORTH CARY DRIVE. LIKE SOME FOLKS BEFORE ME, I'M NOT DIRECTLY BY THERE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I LIVE ON REALLY NORTH CARY, ALMOST THE END OF CARY WHERE IT MEETS HICKORY, AND I WILL SAY I RAISED TWO KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY BOTH WENT TO CARY WOODS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF -- THERE'S A MULTI-PURPOSE LANE, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, AND YOU GET ALL THE WAY DOWN. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 2014. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PRONOUNCE IT PETRIE, I HOPE, SO MY KIDS WOULD COME DOWN THE MULTI-PURPOSE LANE AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK UNTIL YOU CROSS PETRIE AND GET TO THAT STRETCH THAT'S ACROSS... BRIGHT COLORS BECAUSE PEOPLE GO SPEEDING ALONG THAT AREA. I KNOW THIS DOES NOT DIRECTLY PORT OUT ON NORTH CARY. HOWEVER, AND I APOLOGIZE TO MY NEIGHBORS, BUT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO STILL BE GUILTY OF THIS, I'M ONE OF THOSE DRIVERS WHO CUTS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW. I LIVE ON NORTH CARY, I GO UP OCCASIONALLY, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO OWENS, I MIGHT CUT UP THAT WAY. I KNOW WITH ALL OF THE CONGESTION, WITH ALL OF THESE PROPOSED -- THE DENSITY OF THIS PROPOSED RESIDENCE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE ROUTES, AND LIKE OTHERS BEFORE ME, I SUPPORT SO MUCH THAT WAS SAID BEFORE ME, BUT LIKE OTHERS SAID BEFORE ME, THIS IS A COLLEGE IS NARROW. I SAW SOMETHING ON THE PLANS. I WAS READING THE PACKET, THE EPACKET SAID THERE'S A BIKE LANE ON COLLEGE. I TRIED TO RIDE IT THE OTHER DAY. I AM GUILTY OF DOING THE ILLEGAL THING AND AS SOON AS I COULD, I GOT UP ON THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE OTHERWISE I WAS GOING TO BE DEAD. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON COLLEGE, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW, I'M NOT USED TO READING THE PACKET, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE -- IT LOOKS LIKE IT SAYS THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT ON COLLEGE, AND MAYBE I'M READING THAT WRONG. BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SERIOUSLY DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON COLLEGE. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH. THEY'RE ALSO TAKING NORTH CARY WAY TOO FAST. THEY'RE TAKING IT MUCH FASTER THAN 25MPH. YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN SOMEBODY CLIP ONE OF THE TELEPHONE POLES FROM NOT PAYING ATTENTION, AND THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILDREN THAT I SEE THERE. MINE ARE GROWN BUT I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILDREN WHO ARE WALKING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING THEIR DOGS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT WITH THEIR INFANTS, ALL OF THAT. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE THINGS. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO -- WE ARE GOING TO LOWER PROPERTY VALUES. SO WE'RE GOING TO -- SOME OF US WILL BE UNDER WATER ON OUR HOMES IF THE CONGESTION IS BAD. I REALIZE THAT'S NOT REALLY YOUR MAIN CONCERN, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT. MOSTLY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. MOSTLY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CONGESTION, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. NEXT. >> HELLO, I'M WILLIAN DUNLOP, I [00:45:08] LIVE AT 750 NORTH CARY DRIVE. I WENT TO CARY WOODS SCHOOL STARTING IN 1959, SO I HAVE EVERYBODY IN HERE BEAT I HAVE A FEELING IN TERMS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR FAMILY BUILT A HOME IN 1958 AND I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO WHERE I GREW UP AND LIVED THERE FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS AND BASICALLY BEEN A RESIDENT OR HOMEOWNER SINCE 1958. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THIS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN. MY HOPE, OF COURSE, WAS IT WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED IT PROBABLY WOULD BE AT SOME POINT. THAT'S DISAPPOINTING, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT. INSTEAD, I THINK AS THINGS ARE OUTLINED IN THE PLAN, MY FEELING I THINK, THERE'S A REASON WHY IT'S WOODED. THE CONTOUR OF THE AREA WAS DETERMINED BY A SURVEY THAT CAME IN, AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE GRADING THAT TOOK PLACE. IF YOU EVER DRIVE THROUGH THERE, YOU'LL NOTICE IT DIPS AND TURNS AND CURVES BECAUSE IT FOLLOWED THE CONTOUR OF THE LAND. IT'S UNIQUE. AGAIN, I'M NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, BUT THERE IS I THINK SHOULD BE A CONCERN AND MAY NOT BE YOUR PLACE TO ADDRESS THIS AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN TERMS OF TREE COVER, TREE CANOPY IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS THAT ARE ON THE NORTH CARY STREET BEHIND THE HOMES OF PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE, WHEREAS I THINK DESIGNATED WHERE THERE'S A STREAM AND SO FORTH. THOSE TREES ARE OLD GROWTH TREES THAT HAVE GOT TO BE THERE FOR 60, 70, OR 80 YEARS. THE IDEA OF THOSE BEING CLEAR CUT HURTS MY SOUL COMPLETELY. AND I DO THINK THE DENSITY IS A PROBLEM AND I THINK EVERYONE IS ADDRESSING VERY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, THE TRAFFIC, THE SCHOOL, SO MANY THINGS COME IN TO PLAY, AND I THINK BUT IN THE END, I FEEL THE DENSITY IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE ON THIS, THE PRIVACY THAT SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT OUR LOTS I FEEL SO BAD FOR MR. HENDRICKS WHO IS GOING TO BE FACING THE GARAGE OR THE BACKYARD OF SOMEONE'S HOME. FOR THE PEOPLE CLOSER TO IT, WHICH I'M NOT DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT, I REALLY FEEL FOR, IT'S NOT RIGHT. IT SHOULD BE AMENDED AND THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO COME UP I THINK WITH A BETTER PLAN. ESPECIALLY CONCERNED, ALSO, WITH THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE, WHICH I THINK IS SORT OF TEMPORAL. IT DOESN'T RUN ALL OF THE TIME, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT THAT IS THE AREA THAT IS SO FULL OF OLD TREE GROWTH. BUT MY BIGGEST THING I THINK OVERALL FOR EVERYBODY TO TRY TO CONSIDER IS THE UNIQUE QUALITY OF CARY WOODS COMPARED TO ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN AUBURN. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT. THE ARCHITECTURE IS DIFFERENT. I LIVE IN A MID 60S HOUSE. THE HOUSES THERE HAVE NOT BEEN SUBJECT TO BEING TORN DOWN AND REPLACED WITH LARGE MANSIONS THAT ARE OUTSIZED FOR THE LOTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING CORRECT AND RIGHT AND PROPER INSTEAD OF JUST GOING FULL SCALE WITH QUARTER-ACRE LOTS, WHICH ARE NOT THE NORM FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL, AND IT'S OUT OF PLACE AND OUT OF CHARACTER. SO I HOPE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME TO SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE WITH THE DEVELOPER WITH YOUR HELP AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL IF IT GETS TO THAT, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. SIGN IN, PLEASE. ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> I WASN'T PLANNING THIS WHEN I CAME IN, BUT I'M PEGGY DAWSON CASSON RAWLS. I HAVE LIVED IN AUBURN ALL OF MY LIFE, AND I MAY HAVE BEATEN BILLY AT CARY WOODS, BUT AT THE TIME I WAS AT CARY WOODS, THERE WAS ONLY SIX CLASSROOMS AND ONE OF EACH GRADE AND I WAS IN THE 6TH GRADE AT CARY WOODS. I HAD TO RIDE THE BUS BECAUSE WE LIVED ON WYE ROAD. I WALKED THROUGH CARY WOODS TO THE DENTIST OFFICE WHEN I WAS IN 6TH GRADE. THAT WAS A LONG TIME TO WALK. THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT SCHOOL... THE STREET ITSELF CAN HANDLE ALL [00:50:09] THE BUSES AND ALL THE CHILDREN AND THOSE CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO BE SAFE. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY CROSSING GUARDS YOU HAVE THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT SCARY SITUATION FROM SCHOOLS, AND THAT IS ALSO WE NEED WOODLANDS IN THE AREA OF AUBURN. WE NEED TREES. [APPLAUSE] WE DON'T NEED DEVELOPMENT. WE NEED TREES. WE NEED PRETTY. AND THIS CITY IS MOVING AWAY FROM PRETTY AND MOVING IN TO DEVELOPMENT, AND I RESENT THAT AS A NATIVE. >> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS KATHLEEN INGRAM. I LIVE AT 1209 HICKORY LANE, AND I WAS A TEACHER AT CARY WOODS, RETIRED IN 2013, AND WE MOVED TO AUBURN IN 1991. I GRADUATED FROM AUBURN IN 1974. MY HUSBAND GRADUATED WITH HIS MASTERS IN '78 AND WE MOVED HERE AND THERE AND THEN CAME BACK HOME TO AUBURN. CARY WOODS, AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS DOES NOT FIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS WRONG. IT IS WRONG TO CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MONEY, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IT'S JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MONEY. [APPLAUSE] I BEG YOU, PLEASE, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN AUBURN THAT I DISAGREE WITH, AND I'M VERY SORRY THAT Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED THOSE THINGS, BUT PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THIS. PLEASE DO NOT. THIS WILL JUST CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DRAMATICALLY. MY HUSBAND WALKS 5 AND A HALF MILES EVERY MORNING. HE SEES FOX, HE SEES RABBITS, HE SEES OCCASIONALLY DEER, AND WE USED TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD TURKEY, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THE TURKEY, RIGHT? [APPLAUSE] ALL RIGHT. IF YOU BUILD THIS, ALL OF THOSE ARE GONE. ALL OF THOSE ARE GONE. WHEN WE MOVED HERE IN '91, WE HAD DEER IN OUR BACKYARD EVERY DAY, LOTS OF 'EM, AND IT WAS FUN. THEY'VE BEEN GONE A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT. MY HUSBAND, HE'S SO EXCITED EVERY TIME HE SEES THAT FOX. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE AT CARY WOODS, AND IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO CARY WOODS LATELY, I ENCOURAGE YOU BEFORE YOU TAKE A VOTE, RIDE THROUGH IT. SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU HAVE A STREET COMING OUT ON SANDERS FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I CANNOT IMAGINE MY KIDS AT CARY WOODS AND HAVING THOSE PEOPLE COMING OUT IN THE MORNINGS FOR THEM GOING TO WORK AND MY CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL THERE. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW A STREET TO OPEN UP ONTO SANDERS STREET. THERE'S JUST SO MUCH THAT IS WRONG ABOUT THIS, THE TREES, IT'S WAY TOO MANY HOUSES, WAY TOO MANY HOUSES. WE DO NOT NEED 90 MORE CARS IN THAT ONE SHORT AREA RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT THAT LONG OF AN AREA. IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF BLOCKS, AND YOU'RE TALKING AT LEAST 90 MORE CARS? I BEG YOU, PLEASE, PLEASE, YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK. SO PLEASE DON'T PUT IT IN OURS. >> MY NAME IS JAMES AND I LIVE IN NORTH COLLEGE STREET. MY THINKING IS ABOUT LIKE IN CARY WOODS, LIKE WHERE THE STEEP HILL IS, LIKE THE WATER FLOWS DOWN AND JUST STAYS THERE, AND IT WILL JUST GET A LOT OF PEOPLE WET AND ALL OF THAT. AND ALSO, AT PICK ELEMENTARY, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC. LIKE WHEN YOU'RE DONE COMING AND GET OUT OF THE CAR, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO LIKE STUDENT CHECK-IN AND ALL OF THAT. SO THEN YOU'LL BE LATE, YOU'LL MISS LIKE WORK AND YOU'LL HAVE TO DO IT AT RECESS AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU, JAMES. [00:55:04] WHO WOULD BE NEXT? >> HEY THERE. MY NAME IS JIM PERRY. I HAVE BEEN IN AUBURN ALL MY LIFE. MOVED TO CARY WOODS, AND SOME OF US HERE TODAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE CARY AREA, IT IS CARY WOODS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CARY WOODS, AND "WOODS" IS KEY. THE LAST DEVELOPMENT WE HAD AND THERE'S A HOUSE GOING UP OVER ON BAY TREE, TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER OVER THERE ON THE EARLIER SET OF HOMES THAT CAME OVER THERE AND HE SAID, OH, WE'RE SO DISAPPOINTED THAT THE TREES WEREN'T BETTER BECAUSE ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS HARVEST ALL THAT WOOD FOR PROFIT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MR. DUNLAP SAID IT RIGHT, YOU KNOW. IT'S TOO CONDENSED WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN AND STRIP IT OUT. WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF CARY WOODS. AND THAT'S A HUGE THING. MY FAMILY GOES BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS TOWN. THERE'S A MARKER OVER ON TICHENOR DRIVE, MY GREAT GRANDFATHER, HE LAID OUT THE STREETS IN THIS TOWN. THIS IS NOT A WELL-DONE DEVELOPMENT, AND TO HAVE A ROAD COMING OUT ON SANDERS IS HONESTLY RIDICULOUS. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SMALL PLOT OF PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EASY TO SIMPLE, FOR ANYONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO JUST GO AROUND, OKAY? I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU HAVE TO COME -- OR WHY THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO COME STRAIGHT IN TO SAPPED -- SANDERS STREET. IT WILL MAKE IT TOO CONGESTED FOR THE SCHOOL. THE SCHOOL DOESN'T NEED THE TRAFFIC. I LIVED 20 YEARS IN ATLANTA. THIS IS A SPIT IN THE BUCKET TO GO SOMEWHERE. JUST GO OUT TO COLLEGE AND MOVE ALONG. WHERE DOES THIS OTHER ROAD COME OUT TO? DOES ANYONE KNOW THAT? OR DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT AFTER THE MEETING? >> AFTER THE MEETING. >> OKAY, SO FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THEY WOUND UP DOING THIS, THEY HAVE TWO OTHER OUTLETS, THEY DON'T NEED TO EXIT ONTO SANDERS TO GO ANYWHERE. THEY CAN GO AROUND CARY DRIVE. IF THEY WANT TO GO TO WALMART, THEY CAN GO OUT COLLEGE, OKAY? SO TO ME, IT'S -- THERE'S BEEN A LOT SAID ABOUT WILDLIFE. THERE'S BEEN A TON OF WILDLIFE THROUGHOUT MY YEARS. ACTUALLY, THE STUDENTS OVER AT THE UNIVERSITY AND THE PROFESSOR OF UNIVERSITY CONTACTED US RECENTLY, WANTED TO DO A WILDLIFE STUDY, COULD THEY PUT CAMERAS AND LISTENING DEVICES IN THE YARDS AND RESIDENTS OF CARY DRIVE. WHY? BECAUSE WE HAVE WILDLIFE THERE. OWLS. COME AROUND ABOUT 4, 5 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU'LL HEAR THE OWLS, OKAY? SO THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER THE CARY WOODS AREA. THERE'S TONS OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. AUBURN IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW. IT WILL GET RIDICULOUS AROUND NORTH COLLEGE. THIS PIECE HERE IS BEING PROPOSED IN A WRONG WAY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT STAY THE WAY IT IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEY NEED TO DO IT BETTER, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF VALID CONCERNS I THINK THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD LISTEN TO AND, BUT, HAVING THAT ROAD COME OUT TO SANDERS I THINK IS A VERY BAD THING. THEY CAN DROP A CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT THERE AND CALL IT A DAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? NO, YOU CANNOT. [LAUGHTER] SORRY. >> HELLO AND GOOD EVENING. I'M BRIAN P. MOORE, 862 NORTH CARY DRIVE, AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY IS IN MY BACKYARD, AND ABOUT FOUR POINTS I WANT TO MAKE HERE. THE TEMPORAL STREAM, MORE OF A DRAINAGE DITCH THAN ANYTHING. I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCURATELY PORTRAYED OVER HERE. ON THE NC18 LOTS, IT SHOWS IT TERMINATING AND BRANCHING THERE, AND IT DOES THAT, BUT IT ACTUALLY CONTINUES ON UP, AND THERE'S A CULVERT ON NORTH CARY RIGHT ACROSS FROM DR. HENDRICKS AND MS. HANDS' HOUSE THERE. THAT'S NOT PROPERLY DISPLAYED ON THIS MAP. AND AS LARRY MENTIONED, WHEN IT -- IT'S NO MOVING WATER THERE. MOST OF THE TIME, IT'S MOSTLY STANDING. AS LARRY MENTIONED [INAUDIBLE] POURING RIVER FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS UNTIL IT DRAINS OUT. SO IT DOESN'T RUN OUT OF THE BANKS BEHIND MY HOUSE, BUT A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, I THINK LARRY'S TALKED ABOUT SOME OF HOW [01:00:03] IT DOES FLOOD OUT THROUGH THERE. THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL HERE. THE DENSITY IS JUST NOT IN THE CHARACTER OF THE CARY WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD. CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION WOULD BE NICE, BUT I GREW UP IN CHAMBERS, I WAS BORN IN AUBURN, BUT I WAS A YEAR OLD AND MY PARENTS, WE MOVED BACK UP TO THE FARM IN CHAMBERS COUNTY AND I GREW UP ON THE SNIP OF CREEK SWAMPS UP IN CHAMBERS COUNTY, AND ONE OF THE AMAZING THINGS AND THE NUMBER OF YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE ON CARY DRIVE IS HOW MUCH WILDLIFE I'VE SEEN, IT'S SOMETIMES LIKE MORE THAN ACTUALLY LIVING OUT IN THE COUNTRY. BUT THIS CUT PROPOSED GOING THROUGH TO SANDERS STREET, WE HAVE -- I DO DRIVE A SCHOOL BUS, SO NOT USUALLY TO THE CARY SCHOOL, BUT THE YEARS I'VE LIVED THERE, EVERYBODY COMES AND PICKS AND DROPS OFF THEIR KIDS AND WE AFFECTIONATELY REFER TO IT AS THE 7:30 AND THE 2:30 PARADE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE DURING THAT PART OF THE DAY. AND ACTUALLY, SANDERS STREET CONVERTS TO ONE-WAY DURING THAT PORTION OF THE DAY. SO THAT NEEDS SOME EXTRA CONSIDERATION AS WELL THERE WHETHER YOU SHOULD DROP OUT ON TO SANDERS STREET WITH THE STREET CUT. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THIS PROJECT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS. I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE ACTIVITY GO ON FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT THE LOGGING ROADS ARE ALREADY CUT THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND THEY'VE DONE A PRETTY DISCREET JOB OF SLIPPING IN AND CUTTING THE LOGGING ROADS IN THERE. THEY DON'T MATCH UP WITH THE PROPOSED STREETS ON HERE THAT WOULD HAPPEN, SO BUT THE LOGGING ROADS ARE IN PLACE, AND I KNEW IT WOULD BE COMING UP FOR DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, THE ADVERTISING OF THIS, I GOT MY LETTER OUT OF THE MAIL YESTERDAY. IT WAS MAILED OUT THE CERTIFIED LETTERS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE MAILED OUT WAS DONE OVER A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, WHICH IS REALLY NOT CONVENIENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO WIND UP GOING AND GETTING THEIR MAIL AND WITH THE WORK SCHEDULE I HAD, I KNEW WHAT THE LETTER WAS ABOUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK THE ADVERTISING WAS DONE PROPERLY. THERE WAS A SIGN AND IT'S REQUIRED TO POST A SIGN WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. THE SIGN WAS PLACED IN SUCH A WAY, I TOOK PICTURES OF IT AND I WAS GOING TO EMAIL IT, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN THAT THAT SIGN WAS PLACED TO BE THE MOST UNSEEN WAY A SIGN COULD BE. IT'S AN CARY DRIVE NEAR THE STOP SIGN PLANTED BEHIND THE POWER POLE, SO IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT SIGN AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, AND IT WAS INSTEAD OF BEING PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET, IT WAS ANGLED SUCH THAT COMING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT. AND IT'S ON THE NC18 LOTS THERE WHERE IT WAS PLACED NEAR ABOUT 50 FEET OFF THE CORNER OF THE STREET. AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE DDH PART OF THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND FEET ON BOTH SANDERS AND NORTH COLLEGE, NEARLY 2/10THS OF A MILE, NO SIGNAGE PLACED ON EITHER SANDERS OR COLLEGE STREET WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. I THINK IT'S IN ORDER TO EXTEND THE HEARING AND READVERTISE IN A PROPER MANNER. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? >> MY NAME IS JOSHUA, I DIDN'T COME HERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. I DON'T KNOW IF MY EYES ARE GOING BAD. I CAN'T SEE A WORD OF THIS PROPOSED MAP. I AGREE WITH THE LAST GUY, IT'S NOT ACCURATE, AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING BEFORE. IF YOU CAN GIVE THIS YOUR [01:05:13] ATTENTION AND GET PEOPLE MORE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M MARTHA EARNHARDT, 633 SANDER STREET. MY FAMILY HAS LIVED IN AUBURN FOR SIX GENERATIONS. THERE ARE FOUR GENERATIONS OF US WHO CURRENTLY LIVE IN TOWN. I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE WHO OPPOSES ALL DEVELOPMENT. THAT TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION. SO MUCH OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID I'M NOT GOING TO PETERBOROUGH PETE, BUT I DO SHARE THOSE CONCERNS. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, THIS BODY AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE, TO STRIVE TO DO IS TO SEEK A BETTER BALANCE WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT. I GO BACK TO WHAT DR. HENDRICKS SAID. I WAS HERE FIRST. THAT'S NOT TO THE EXCLUSION OF THOSE WHO COME NEXT, BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, PARTICULARLY CARY WOODS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, LAST MONTH, IT WAS MOORE CIRCLE WHERE MY FAMILY'S HOME STILL IS. THERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT MATTER TO US IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE TO BE GIVEN THE SAME WEIGHT AS THE DEVELOPERS. THAT NEEDS TO BE WHERE THE BALANCE COMES. IT CAN'T BE ALL ABOUT WHAT DEVELOPERS CHOOSE AND WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE. JUST BECAUSE IT CAN BE DONE DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE DONE. [APPLAUSE] >> HI, MY NAME IS MELODY HECKER. THIS IS MY DAUGHTER MADELEINE KATE HECKER. WE LIVE AT 524 PARK CIRCLE JUST OFF SANDERS OFF DRAKE. MY KIDS WENT TO CARY WOODS. I HAVE ONE STILL THERE IN SECOND GRADE, AND THIS ONE RIDES HER BIKE TO PICK AND SHE GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN SANDERS AND THEN TURNS UP CEDAR BROOK [INAUDIBLE] LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WITH THE TRAFFIC, IT'S ONE WAY. THE BUSES COME SCREAMING THROUGH THERE, LET ALONE CARS THAT LEAVE THE PARKING LOT. WE'VE ASKED FOR SPEED HUMPS. I THINK ADDING MORE FAMILIES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT A BAD IDEA. WE DO AGREE WITH THE TREES, MAYBE KEEPING SOME OF THE TREE BUFFER BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. I PROPOSE NOT HAVING A STREET COME OUT ONTO SANDERS BUT MAYBE A WALKING PATH, LIKE AT THE NEW REC CENTER AT WILLMORE, THEY HAVE THE WALKING PATH TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S LIKE TREES AND A PATH. I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA FOR PEOPLE LIVING THERE WITH CHILDREN, WE'RE ASSUMING THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO WALK THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL OR MAYBE DRIVE A GOLF CART, I DON'T KNOW IF GOLF CARTS ARE ALLOWED ON THAT, BUT MAYBE A WALKING PATH TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC DOWN OFF SANDERS TO KEEP THE KIDS SAFE ON THE SIDEWALKS, IF THEY ARE GOING TO DEVELOP THAT, I PROPOSE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. WE HAVE LOTS OF COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT WALK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LOTS OF BICYCLERS, ALL THE DOG WALKERS AND THE KIDS ON THE BUGGIES. SO MAYBE LESSENING -- PUTTING SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES WOULD BE A GOOD HELP. IN THE COMMITTEE AGENDA, I HAVE THREE MINUTES, I NOTICED THERE WAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR DISCUSSIONS ON ADDING LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OUT OF 13, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE IN HERE TALKING ABOUT ROADWAYS AND MAKING ROADS WIDER. I DO DRIVE HER TO SCHOOL SOMETIMES. TODAY WAS PICTURE DAY, SO WE DROVE HER TO SCHOOL SO SHE COULD LOOK PRETTY FOR HER PICTURES, BUT GOING UP NORTH COLLEGE FROM DRAKE TO PICK, THERE'S JUST TWO LANES, SO IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO TURN ON CARY DRIVE TO GO TO CARY WOODS FROM THE LITTLE STOP LIGHT, SOMEONE HAS TO BASICALLY LET THEM IN. THERE'S GOT TO BE A PART. SO I PROPOSE MAYBE A TURN LANE WOULD BE GREAT, IF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS ADDED WITH THOSE 90 ADDITIONAL CARS. [01:10:04] I KNOW NORTH COLLEGE PROBABLY CAN'T BE EXTENDED OR WIDENED ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT THERE'S A TURN LANE AT PICK. WHY NOT HAVE ONE FOR CARY WOODS? THAT WOULD BE GREAT. ANOTHER ONE AT DRAKE FOR THE NORTH COLLEGE INTERSECTION AS WELL BECAUSE THAT GETS CRAZY. SHE WANTS TO SAY A WORD. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WE DO MISS THE FOX. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE FOX IN A WHILE. WE MISS THE TURKEY. SO, OF COURSE, WE CAME FROM NEW YORK ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, SO WE HAD DEER IN OUR BACKYARD ALL THE TIME AND WE REALLY LIKE THAT CARY WOODS. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE PICKED THE AREA, SO WE COULD WALK EVERYWHERE AND HAD TREES AND A DEER. BUT WE LOVE THE WILDLIFE AND WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE FOREST IN THE WOODS, CARY WOODS AREA, KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEWER DEVELOPMENT IF THEY COULD. HI, AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, I'M MADELEINE. LIKE SHE SAID, I RIDE ■MYBIKE DOWN SANDERS TO CEDAR BROOK TO CARY WOODS. PICK, WHATEVER. SO, LIKE, MY BROTHER RIDES HIS BIKE SOMETIMES. SO WHEN HE RIDES HIS BIKE, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GOING TO BE THERE, THERE IS GOING TO BE LIKE... TRAFFIC AND LIKE I'VE SEEN CAR ACCIDENTS SO THAT THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE LIKE HE'S MY BROTHER, FAMILY. [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] ANYONE ELSE? >> MY NAME IS SAM BARROS, I LOVE AT 212 RIDGWAY COURT. DENSITY IS THE ISSUE I HAVE. WHY DON'T YOU BUILD A SUBDIVISION WHERE YOU'RE COMING OFF OF SHELDON MILLS ON COLLEGE BUT DON'T CONNECT TO SANDERS AT ALL AND MAYBE INSTEAD OF THE FULL HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE WOODS, MAYBE LEAVE A THIRD OF THE WOODS NEXT TO THE SCHOOL TH THERE. AND AS FAR AS DENSITY, IF YOU GO ABOUT TWO OR THREE BLOCKS WEST, THERE'S A STREET CALLED PETRIE ROAD. IF YOU MADE THE HOUSES LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX OR EIGHT HOUSES. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 45. OKAY, AGAIN, IT'S HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS. THEY'RE SPACED OUT, THERE'S TREES AROUND. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE MEADOWS? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GEORGE PACE. I LIVE AT 730 PETRIE ROAD. MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO AUBURN APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AGO, AND ONE THING THAT DREW US TO AUBURN BESIDES THE EXCITEMENT OF THE COLLEGE TOWN IS WHAT WE WITNESSED WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR HOME AND FOUND IT IN CARY WOODS. THE CHARACTER OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EXIST TODAY PAINT A WHOLE DIFFERENT PICTURE, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS IN DETAIL, I'M ASKING MYSELF, WHAT IS THE MARKET FOR THIS? WHY ARE THERE 46 HOMES BEING BUILT IN THE AREA THAT'S BEEN SO WELL DEVELOPED AND SO WELL PLANNED OVER THE LAST, WHAT, SIX, EIGHT, TEN DECADES? WHO IS THE INTENDED BUYERS OF THESE HOMES? WHAT IS THE AVERAGE VALUE OF THESE HOMES GOING TO BE? WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO TO THE VALUE OF THE HOMES THAT EXIST TO DO IN THE BACKYARDS? A GENTLEMAN ASKED A QUESTION AND I WON'T REPEAT, I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER, BUT I'M CURIOUS WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE A COVENANT IN THIS, BUT UNLIKE SOME OTHER PLACES THAT ARE BUILT UP, LIKE CAMDEN WOODS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES BUILT OFF DONAHUE, WHEN YOU WALK IN THERE, THERE'S A CERTAIN OLDER SECTION, BUT THE NEWER SECTIONS APPEAR JUST LIKE THIS, WE HAVE THESE COOKIE CUTTER HOUSES THAT ARE BEING PUT IN BY MAYBE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT BUILDERS AND THEY [01:15:03] ALL LOOK THE SAME, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE QUALITY, THE SIZE, ARE THEY GOING TO SELL THE LOTS AND THEN HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT BUY THEM DEVELOP THEIR OWN HOME IN THERE, IN WHICH CASE COVENANTS WOULD BE IMPORTANT? OR ARE THEY JUST GOING TO BRING IN THREE OR FOUR BUILDERS AND COOKIE CUT THESE HOUSES AND NOT BE IN THE CHARACTER OF THE CARY WOODS THEME? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO AUBURN, WE SAW HOW MUCH BEAUTY THERE IS HERE, BUT THEN WE START TO SEE THAT EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THIS TOWN, WHEREVER YOU TURN, THEY'RE THROWING SOMETHING UP BECAUSE THERE'S A SQUARE FOOT AVAILABLE, BETWEEN THE TOWN HOMES, THE APARTMENTS [INAUDIBLE] IT JUST DOESN'T FIT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS GORGEOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S SITUATED IN A VERY NICE AREA, THAT SOMEBODY FEELS COMPELLED TO GO AND JUST START BUILDING 46 HOMES. ALL THE OTHER THINGS -- [APPLAUSE] ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP, I DON'T WANT TO WASTE PEOPLE'S TIME, BUT I PUT A COUPLE OF THINGS DOWN HERE. I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE CARY ELEMENTARY, SO I SEE THE PARADE OF CARS TWICE A DAY DROPPING KIDS OFF, PICKING THEM UP, AND THAT'S FABULOUS. I LOVE BEING NEAR THE SCHOOL, HEAR THE KIDS, BESIDES THAT SCHOOL AND WHAT'S GOING ON EVERY DAY TWICE A DAY WITH THE TRAFFIC ON SANDERS, IT'S ALSO PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED TOO, YOU'VE GOT PICK ELEMENTARY UP ON COLLEGE, YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL THAT'S AT ST. MICHAEL'S, AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY. AT THE SAME TIME, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR CHILDREN TO AND FROM SCHOOL. I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND HOW THIS WAS DESIGNED AND WHY WOULD EVEN WE WANT TO CONSIDER AS CARY WOODS GROUP CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEING ALLOWED TO DESTROY THE CHARACTER AND PROBABLY THE VALUE OF THE HOMES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR US, BUT WE BOUGHT CARY WOODS BECAUSE WE FOUND THERE'S A FUTURE THERE FOR US AND THERE'S DEVELOPMENT, BEAUTIFUL HOMES ARE BEING BUILT ON PETRIE ALONE. THERE'S SOME HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET BUILT AFTER OUR HOME WAS BUILT, AND THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE BEING BUILT FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD ON PETRIE THAT'S A VERY HIGH-QUALITY, HIGH PRICE TAG, BUT MORE THAN THAT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE FACED WITH DEPRECIATION OF OUR LAND BECAUSE WHAT THESE 46 HOMES ARE GOING TO DO TO JUST -- PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN WHAT CARY WOODS HAS TO OFFER. SO, AGAIN, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHO'S MARKETING THIS? WHAT IS THE INTENDED POPULATION THAT'S GOING TO BE DRIVEN TO BUY THESE HOMES? WHY WOULDN'T THESE HOMES BE BETTER PLACED OUT WHERE ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING ON LIKE CAMDEN WOODS AND THE LIKE? IT'S MORE BEFITTING WITH ALL THAT LAND OUT THERE BY FARMVILLE, ET CETERA, BUT TO PLACE THIS HERE IS JUST SO OUT OF CHARACTER, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO MANY OF US. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, SEEING NO ONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT, PROBABLY COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD YOU LIKE THE APPLICANT... >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD PROBABLY START WITH THE APPLICANT. I THINK JUST KIND OF WHAT -- WHAT THEY'VE CONVEYED TO STAFF AND I THINK THEY'VE ANSWERED SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS I GUESS SO I THINK THEY CAN PROBABLY ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS IN THE PUBLIC FORUM BEFORE WE ANSWER SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS. >> LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME UP. ALL RIGHT, YOU WANT TO START WITH ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HEARD WAS TRAFFIC, THE STREET GOING OUT TO SANDERS, THE WOODS, THE CUTTING OF THE TREES. SO THOSE ARE PLACES YOU CAN START. >> PERFECT. I TRIED TO WRITE DOWN EVERY QUESTION, SO IF I MISS ONE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, COMMISSION, AND I WILL TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER IT. I'LL START WITH THE TREES. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OVERALL? THAT'S GOOD. SO IT'S OUR INTENTS TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES ON SITE AS WE CAN. I WILL SAY FOR THE LOTS THAT CURRENTLY FRONT NORTH CARY, THERE'S AN EXISTING STREAM THAT'S RUNNING ON THE BACK OF THOSE PROPERTY LINES. WE WON'T BE IMPACTING WHAT'S THEIR SOUTHERN BACK PROPERTY LINE. A LOT OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE [01:20:03] LOCATED IN THE STREAM BUFFER THERE ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED IN THAT AREA DUE TO A STREAM BEING LOCATED IN THAT AREA. SO THERE WILL BE SOME OF A NATURAL BUFFER THAT'S STILL LEFT IN THAT AREA. AS IT RELATES TO THE ROAD ALIGNMENT, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HEAVILY TALKED WITH THE STAFF ABOUT. WE HAD AN ALTERNATE LAYOUT AND WE LANDED ON THIS ONE AS THE BEST SOLUTION. WE TALKED ABOUT NORTH CARY LINING UP WITH THE INTERSECTION THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE WITH THE STREETLIGHT, AND WE SAW THAT BEING THE BEST POSSIBLE CONNECTION, JUST TRYING TO ELIMINATE ADDITIONAL ACCESS -- I'M SORRY, I SAID NORTH CARY. NORTH COLLEGE. >> SHELTON MILL ROAD. >> YES, WHERE THAT STREET CURRENTLY IS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LINING UP TO INTERSECT WITH. NORTH COLLEGE HAS A LOT OF INTERSECTIONS, AND WE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF THAT COMING IN WITH WHERE THE LIGHT CURRENTLY SITS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST THING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND FOR FUTURE PLANS THAT THE CITY HAS FOR IMPROVING THAT AREA. AND SO AS WELL WITH THE ENTRANCE ON TO SANDERS STREET, FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT TO MEET FIRE AND EMERGENCY REGULATIONS, WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ARE AWARE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE HEAVILY LOOKED IN TO. WE KNOW THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS WITH SANDERS, WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BEING THERE AND WITH IT BEING A ONE-WAY FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS OUT OF THE DAY, AND SO RIGHT TURNS WOULD BE RESTRICTED AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT POSTED ON THE STOP SIGN. [INAUDIBLE] ACCESS TO THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WITH THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. HOOPER HOMES IS GOING TO BE THE BUILDER ON THIS JOB AND THEY'RE SEEKING TO DO 3500 TO 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES. THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE CUSTOM HOMES, SO THE PRICE POINT IS GOING TO BE AROUND 2.5 MILLION. SO SHOULD DO NOTHING BUT ELEVATE SURROUNDING PROPERTY VALUES IN THAT AREA. THE DENSITY -- WE ARE -- (INTERJECTIONS) >> PLEASE LET HIM SPEAK. >> I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH DENSITY. WE ARE UNDER 2.5 IN THE ZONING WITH DDH. WE ARE ALLOWED UP TO 4 WITH CONVENTIONAL. YOU COULD DO PERFORMANCE AT 5.5. SO WE'RE WELL UNDER THAT THRESHOLD, AND WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING AREA AS WELL, TAKING A BROADER SCOPE OUT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT, AND WE ARE 26% LOWER DENSITY THAN SOME OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS WELL COMING IN ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE LOT SIZE AS WE ARE PROPOSING. WE HAVE HAD THE STREAMS AND WETLANDS DELINEATED ON THE SIDE. I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SKEPTICISM ON THE ACCURACY OF THOSE, BUT WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT WHO HAS DESIGNATED THOSE AS JURISDICTIONAL WATERS. AND SO WE HAVE THOSE DELINEATED AS WELL AS WE HAVE COMPLETED A BOUNDARY SURVEY, AND SO THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS ACCURATE. WE ARE AWARE OF THE DRAINAGE THAT RUNS THROUGH THAT SITE, AND WE WILL BE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT IN OUR GRADING PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WE WILL BE SUBMITTING TO THE CITY IF THIS IS TO GO THROUGH. THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS WITH ADDITIONAL RUNOFF. AS REQUIRED PER THE AUBURN O ORDINANCE AND ALABAMA REGULATIONS, WE WILL HAVE A RETENTION POND TO RETAIN THAT WATER SO WE HAVE LOWER PEAK FLOWS THAN IN THE CONDITION CURRENTLY. SOMEONE MENTIONED SIDEWALKS ON THE STREET. SO THE STREET THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FROM NORTH COLLEGE TO SANDERS WILL HAVE A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF IT THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT'S ALONG NORTH COLLEGE. >> CAN I GET YOU TO REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME. >> YES. THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE STREET THAT WE ARE SHOWING FROM NORTH COLLEGE TO SANDERS. THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THAT STREET. IT WILL CONNECT IN TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON NORTH COLLEGE. >> AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS OR SOMEONE MENTIONED THE TWO ROADS THAT ARE MOVING TO THE SOUTH, THEY DO NOT GO OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES. >> IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CIRCLE I GUESS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY LOOP BACK IN TO THAT MAIN. [01:25:01] >> MAIN UP TO SHELTON MILL. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I ASSUME THAT WILL BE NAMED SHELTON MILL BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUATION? >> SAME THING WITH BOUNDARY WITH COLLEGE BEING THE SPLIT, SO THE ROAD NAME MAY CHANGE. >> SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE HOA. THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE UNDER HOA AND THE OPEN SPACE LOT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. >> OKAY. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TREES. >> YES, YES. AS I MENTIONED, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO PRESERVE [INAUDIBLE] TO TRY TO KEEP AS MANY AS WE CAN. >> COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? >> SOMEONE ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT HOW THIS FITS IN OR DOES IT FIT IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK MOST OF THAT HAD TO PERTAIN TO THE DENSITY BEING PROPOSED. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND FOUND THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY LESS DENSE THAN SOME OF THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE LOOKED AT. WE'RE ROUGHLY AT A THIRD OF AN ACRE ON THE DDH ACRES. THE NC18 LOTS ARE 20,000 FEET OR MORE, AND SO WE BELIEVE WE'RE RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA AS WELL AS WELL BELOW THE THRESHOLD OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED BY RIGHT IN THIS CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT. >> OH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE LOTS THAT ARE IN THE NC ZONE UP AT THE TOP. SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT THAT WOULD FACING CARY DRIVE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING IN THE BACKYARD OF THOSE AND THEY WONDERED WHY THEY COULDN'T TAKE ACCESS TO CARY? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A STAFF OR Y'ALL'S DECISION. >> I CAN CLARIFY. THOSE LOTS WILL TAKE ACCESS OFF NORTH CARY. >> THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL FRONT CARY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL FRONT CARY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WILL FRONT WHATEVER THE NAME -- >> THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL BORDER ON CARY DRIVE. THE FRONT OF THOSE HOUSES. >> WILL BE ON CARY? M ALL RIGHT. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS. IS THERE A SIDEWALK ON SANDERS? WOULD THERE BE A SIDEWALK ON SANDERS? >> I DON'T THINK THERE IS CURRENTLY. IS THAT CORRECT? >> SHHH, PLEASE. >> THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON CARY WOODS. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK KIND OF BACK TO OUR CONVERSATION JUST KIND OF AS A WHOLE AND I THINK ON STAFF SIDE, ONE OF THE HARDER PLACES TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN TOWN ISN'T THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, IT'S THE OLDER ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. IT HAS TO DO WITH RIGHTS OF WAY SZ, SOMETIMES IT'S STREETS AND PARKING PADS AND ALSO THE CURVATURE AND TOPOGRAPHY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS LIKE WHERE THE SIDEWALK WOULD GO AND WHAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE AND THE MEMORIES THOSE PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY. WITH THAT, THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO GET NEW SIDEWALKS. >> I THINK I WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE IN THIS NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. >> YEAH, SO WE KIND OF GO BACK TO THE WHOLE THING OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET A LOT OF FLAK FOR IS WE'LL BUILD A PORTION OF A SIDEWALK, RIGHT, BUT THEN IT'S JUST THE SURROUNDING AREA DOESN'T HAVE IT, AND SO IT'S KIND OF A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE, AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO IS KIND OF GET ADDED FUNDS FOR IT AND DO IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT THEN IT'S A SIDEWALK TO WHERE? IT CAN'T BE PROPOSED. IT HAS TO BE DETERMINED IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK OR NOT AND BE PART OF A LARGER SIDEWALK NETWORK. WHICH IS MORE OF A GOAL. >> SOMEONE MENTIONED AND I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. SOMEONE MENTIONED ABOUT RESTRICT RENTING TO STUDENTS. BOTH OF THE ZONES, THE THREE UP TOP ARE IN THE NC ZONE, WHICH IS FAMILY DESIGNATED. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN FIVE OR MORE UNRELATED. IT JUST MEANS FAMILY DESIGNATED. DDH, WHICH IS THE OTHER HALF OF THIS PROPERTY [INAUDIBLE] ARE MORE UNRELATED. SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S WHAT BOTH THESE ZONES ARE AND I -- CAN YOU TELL US, MR. COTTON, WHEN THESE -- THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED NC AND DDH? >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE [01:30:02] ORIGINAL ZONING DISTRICT, SO IT'S NEVER BEEN REDISOWND. HE'S BUILDING WITH LESS DENSITY IN THE DDH THAN THE NC. AND AS HE STATED, THE DENSITY AND IN THE STAFF REPORT IS LESS THAN WHAT HE COULD BUILD IN A DDH. >> ON HIS HALF. >> THAT'S CORRECT, IF WE WENT 5.5, WHICH IS DENSITY AND PERFORMANCE, YOU COULD HAVE 70 LOTS. >> YEAH, HE COULD HAVE 70 LOTS. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THEN, QUESTIONS -- PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF? I DO. >> SO WE TALKED IN PACKET MEETING ABOUT THE WAIVER THAT WAS IN THE DOCUMENT NOT NEEDING THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HEARD THAT DURING THE -- >> YEAH, OKAY, SO I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AND I GUESS I WANT TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE GOT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO THERE IS A WAIVER THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THEM TO MEET WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING. SO THAT THE TWO ROADS THAT RUN NORTH AND SOUTH ARE KIND OF INTERLOOPED, THE INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK. THEY NEED A WAIVER FROM THE ENGINEERING MANUAL. INITIALLY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THEY NEED A WAIVER TO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON MONDAY WAS THAT INTERNALLY, WE WOULD DISCUSS IT AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BUILD TO THE STANDARDS OF AN ALLEY. ALLEYS ARE 15, 20 FEET OF PAVEMENT, NO SIDEWALKS REQUIRED, DIFFERENT BUILDUP, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ESSENTIALLY A LOWER QUALITY PRODUCT THAN WHAT STAFF WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH, INSTEAD OF STAFF CHANGED THE PARAMETERS OF THAT TO A WAIVER ON THE -- TO THE ENGINEERING MANUAL ON RIGHT AWAY WITH, SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE STREET WHICH WOULD BE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND THEN THE BUILDUP ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. SO THEY NEED A WAIVER BUT IT IS NOT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVER TO THE ENGINEERING MANUAL DECIDED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC STUDY, TURN LANES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. >> SO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A DEVELOPMENT AND BASED ON WHERE IT'S AT AND ITS PROXIMITY, THE FIRST ITERATION WE GOT, IF THEY WERE TO TAKE ACCESS ON TO AN ARTERIAL, IT WOULD REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS BASICALLY. SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ACCESS OFF OF SHELTON MILL, WHICH HAS THAT LOCATION OF AN EXISTING INTERSECTION. OUR GOAL IN THE ENGINEERING DESIGN MANUAL IS BASICALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF ACCESS POINTS ALONG MAJOR CLASSIFICATION ROADWAYS. HENCE ONE OF THE NOTES IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT EVERYBODY THAT FRONTS THE ARTERIAL OR THE RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR ALONG SANDERS TAKE ACCESS FROM WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. OUR GOAL IS TO REDUCE CONFLICT POINTS. SO THE MORE CONFLICT POINTS THAT WE INTRODUCE IN TO THE MAJOR SYSTEMS MAKES IT UNSAFE. SO THEY LISTENED TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE THAT MORE INTERNAL. ANOTHER POINT IS [INAUDIBLE] ROAD. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHILDREN WHO WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH SHELTON MILL TO ACCESS THE SCHOOL LOCATION. NOW, THE EXISTING BACKGROUND TRAFFIC ON SHELTON MILL IS AROUND 5,000 VEHICLES A DAY. IF THAT PORTION OF COLLEGE CAN RANGE FROM 7 TO 8,000, CARY DRIVE, WE HAVE THREE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN PERFORMED IN THE PAST. THEY RANGE FROM 800 VEHICLES A DAY TO 1500 VEHICLES A DAY. SO THE LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF GO FROM FROM EAST TO WEST IS THE SHORTEST PATH. SO IF YOU ALLOW THOSE CARS TO GO THROUGH, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AT SOME POINT AT CARY DRIVE. SO AS NOT JUST THIS AREA GROWS, THE DISTRICT GROWS, WE CALL IT A BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE, THAT TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE. THEY ARE CORRECT THAT THEY REQUIRE TWO POINTS. WE CALL IT INTERCONNECTIVITY. IF WE ADD MORE ACCESS INTO THE STREETS, WE DIVIDE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH OTHER EXISTING STREETS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS OF PROVIDING INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS. NOW, THIS STREET AND CARY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, THE GEOMETRY IS NOT A STRAIGHT SHOT. IT IS VERY CURVY. SO IT WILL HAVE CONDITIONS ON IT BASED ON THE TIME OF DAY THAT THE SCHOOL WILL BE SERVICED. [01:35:01] YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT IN THAT DIRECTION. THAT WILL BE THE NOTE IN THE DRT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. HOWEVER, THE LOCATION OF WHERE THEY COME OUT, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAS CHILDREN OR ANYBODY, WE HAVE TO GET THEM ACROSS THE ROAD IF THEY DECIDE TO WALK, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY, NOT THE ACTUAL DESIGN. AND SANDERS IS RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, IT IS EXTREMELY STRAIGHT. HENCE ONE OF THE REASONS THE SPEED CAN GET HIGHER. I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF COMMENTS ON SIDEWALKS, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD SPEEDING. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE, IF YOU WANT REQUESTS FOR SIDEWALKS, PLEASE SEND THEM TO OUR DEPARTMENT AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON SPEEDING AND WE SEE SPEEDERS, WE WILL DO SPEED STUDIES TO ASSESS IF IT MEETS OUR TRAFFIC CALMING REQUIREMENT IN THE CITY. WE HAVE A PETITION FORM FOR IT. IF WE NOTICE THERE IS SPEEDING, WE ADDRESS IT AND BRING IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, AND THOSE IMPLEMENTATIONS GET MADE. THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC STUDY. THERE IS A PLANNED FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROJECT AT SHELTON MILL AND COLLEGE TO ADDRESS CAPACITY CONCERNS, AND ONE OF THE CAPACITY CONCERNS ISSUES ARE THE ABILITY FOR THE LEFT TURNS THAT ARE THERE PRESENTLY. THE ROADWAY HAS EXPERIENCED A LARGE BACKGROUND GROWTH RATE AND THE SIGNAL IS GETTING STRAINED, BASICALLY. SO THAT IS WHY IT IS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE ALLEVIATE THAT? >> THE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE FRONTING ON SANDERS AND ON COLLEGE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT INSTEAD OF PULLING AROUND THE BACK IN TO YOUR DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU SHOULD BE, I'M PULLING OUT AND I'M GOING TO PARK ON SANDERS OR COLLEGE TO ACCESS MY FRONT DOOR. THAT TO ME SOUNDS LIKE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEN THAT'S GOING TO, ESPECIALLY ON COLLEGE, THAT'S AN ARTERIAL, AND IF YOU'VE GOT CARS PARKED ON THE SIDE, THAT'S GOING TO BE -- THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I DON'T SEE HOW -- I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON WITH THAT, UNLESS YOU BRING, YOU KNOW, THE LOT, YOU KNOW, GET SOME RIGHT AWAY ON THE LOT, IT PUTS A SPACE THERE THAT THEY CAN PARALLEL PARK OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. >> RIGHT, AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO, ESPECIALLY ON COLLEGE FOR AN ARTERIAL. WE WOULD NOT LET THEM TAKE PARKING ALONG A MAJOR ARTERIAL. THAT'S JUST NOT IN THE DESIGN MANUAL. >> SO THAT WOULD BE A [INAUDIBLE] >> YOU WILL SEE THEM AROUND TOWN WHERE THE CURBS ARE PAINTED AND SIGNAGE THAT'S ENFORCED AND IT'S A QUICK WAY TO GET TOWED. SANDERS IS THE SAME THING. >> SO THERE'S NO PARKING SIGNS RIGHT NOW ON SANDERS? >> NO, NO, NO, WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WE MAKE THE REQUEST, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID NOT WANT TO HAVE DRIVEWAY ACCESSES ALONG THAT ROAD, BECAUSE WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THE STACKING FOR THE QUEUE FOR THE PEOPLE PICKING UP THEIR CHILDREN, I MEAN, IF YOU HAD A DRIVEWAY -- >> BUT IT'S THE CAR THAT'S GOING TO BE PARKED THERE. IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. >> IT'S A HUGE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE ORIGINAL NOTES ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS TO PREVENT THAT. >> THANKS. >> ANYTHING ELSE, COMMISSIONERS? >> I WANTED TO GET TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. SO WE'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE ENTITLED DENSITY. SO JUST FROM FIVE AND A HALF PERFORMANCE, FOUR FOR PREVENTIONAL AND THE DIFFERENCE FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE IS THERE'S DEDICATED OPEN SPACE, I THINK ABOUT 30% FOR DDH. HONESTLY, I GUESS KIND OF OUR ZONING AND KIND OF OUR SUBDIVISION THE WAY IT FUNCTIONS WITH PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISIONS, MAINTAIN A GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE, WITH PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION, THE GREATER THE DENSITY, YOU GET THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AND PRESERVED. BUT THAT'S THE TRADEOFF. WHEN THEY'RE GOING 2.2 INSTEAD OF DOING 4 OR 5 AND A HALF. SO THEN WITH TRUE PRESERVATION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET THESE COMMENTS A LOT. IT'S A CONSENSUS THAT WE GET, BUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON, NOT NECESSARILY IS THE LOTS BUT IT'S THE MASS GRADING OF THEM. IT CAN BE VERY, VERY JARRING TO ONE DAY THERE'S TREES AND NEXT DAY IS EXPOSED RED CLAY AS FAR AS THE EYES CAN SEE. THAT IS ONE THING WE UNDERSTAND AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THEY ALLUDED TO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GRADE THIS DIFFERENTLY THAN HOW SOME OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS YOU'VE SEEN GOING ON AROUND TOWN. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE TRADEOFF OF THE PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISIONS AND NOT HAVING THE DEDICATED OPEN SPACES, EVEN IF THEY DIED NOT TO MASS GRADE IT AND KEEP THE MAJORITY OF TREES ON THE LOTS, THAT PUTS THE TREES [01:40:04] IN PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. HOW ABOUT WE GET CITY-OWNED TREES? AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THAT. THAT IS THE BALANCE WE WORK THROUGH, EVEN IF LIKE I SAID, THEY ONLY CUT THE HOUSE SITES, THIS STILL PUTS ABOUT 18, 17 ACRES OF TREES NOW IN THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER HANDS INSTEAD OF JUST [INDISCERNIBLE] THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE FI FIGHT ON THE DAY-TO-DAY WITH ZONING, DEVELOPMENT, THE DENSITY, HIGHER DENSITY TO MAINTAIN OPEN SPACE OR DO WE ALLOW LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEN PRIVATIZES A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND GREEN SPACE THAT PEOPLE WANT? IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WORK THROUGH ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS WITH SUBDIVISION REGS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. WE SPOKE TO SPEED LIMIT CONCERNS, ROAD EXPANSIONS. THERE WAS ONE COMMENT ABOUT ROAD EXPANSIONS. SHE LEFT, BUT FOR EVERYBODY, THIS IS KIND OF THE APPLICATION IS ON THE SITE. SO ANNEXATION, CRIMINAL USES, PRELIMINARY PLATS, FINAL PLATS, ROAD SUSPENSION, THAT WOULD BE IN THE CIP, BUT THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE DON'T SEE WITH DEVELOPMENT. THAT JUST HAPPENS IN A DIFFERENT FORM. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A MEDIUM FOR THAT. IT'S JUST ON THE ADVERTISEMENT, WE GET THIS ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR WHERE FOLKS FEEL THEY DIDN'T GET THE LETTER SOON ENOUGH OR THE SIGN WAS PLACED IN THE WRONG LOCATION. I REALLY DON'T LIKE KIND OF OFFLOADING RESPONSIBILITY AS FAR AS WHERE LETTERS GO OR LIKE WHEN THEY GET THERE. I GUESS I WILL SAY ON THIS, WE'VE KIND OF DONE THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES, AND THE CITY REALLY DOES GO OVER AND BEYOND WHEN IT COMES TO NOTIFYING PEOPLE AS FAR AS PEOPLE GETTING LETTERS, SIGNS GOING OUT. WE HAVE AN ENTIRE DIVISION OF THE CITY WHO'S -- ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES IS PAYING ATTENTION TO SOCIAL MEDIA, PREEMPTIVELY CONTACTING HOAS OR GROUPS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND BEING LIKE, HEY, THIS IS GOING ON IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MAY WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS. THE CITY GOES OVER AND BEYOND. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO LEAN ON THIS IS A MANDATED REQUIREMENT. IT IS NOT. THE EFFORTS WE GO TO AND THROUGH TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING REQUIRED BY LAW. IT'S SOMETHING WE DO NOT NECESSARILY AS A COURTESY, IT IS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE IT MAKES THIS A BETTER PROCESS, A HUNDRED PERCENT. I DID JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. AND I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS KIND OF WHY DO YOU SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN, WE HAVE THIS ENTIRE THINGS CALLED [INDISCERNIBLE] BOUNDARY. WE HAD A MEETING OF WHY CAN'T WE EXPAND THE BOUNDARY AND IT'S AN ANTITHESIS OF SOUND DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, WHOA, WHY DON'T WE PUSH IT TO THE EDGE? THAT EVENTSUALLY BANKRUPTS CITIES. THIS IS PREMIER INFILL DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO NOT REALIZING DENSITY, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER TOPIC. WITH THIS SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING RIGHT IN TOWN WHERE THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING ROADS, RELATIVELY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE IT AND IT REALLY MATCHES. I THINK THE DEVELOPER DID SHARE KIND OF LIKE THEY MENTIONED JUST KIND OF MAYBE NOT FROM THE CURVATURE AND STYLE OF THE HOMES BUT FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT'S GENERALLY [INAUDIBLE] I GUESS IF THE SCHOOLS WERE NOT EXEMPT FROM IT, THERE WOULD BE A VERY HEAVY BUFFER ON THE SCHOOLS, BUT THERE IS NOT. SO IT CAN'T GO THE OTHER WAY. THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT IS THE BULK -- I THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE BULK OF THE QUESTIONS. WHY IS THIS TOO MUCH DENSITY, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M ENTITLED TO DO 5 AND A HALF AND I THINK THE BALANCE WITH TREE PRESERVATION, BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS MASS GRADING. I THINK THEY'VE COMMITTED TO NOT DOING THAT. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE BALANCE EVERY DAY WITH SUBDIVISION REGULARS, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF WHAT PEOPLE FEEL IS COMMUNITY GREEN SPACE AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO THROUGH PERFORMANCE S SUBDIVISIONS. IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IF WE DECIDED TO PUT A BIGGER BUILDING HERE, IT WOULD SAVE MORE GREEN SPACE, BUT I THINK A LOT MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT. >> THE OTHER THING IS WATER RESOURCE, THE DRAINAGE. MR. CARSON, WILL YOU SPEAK TO THE DRAINAGE AND HOW THAT'S HANDLED? >> THAT'S ACTUALLY AN ENGINEERING FUNCTION. [01:45:02] >> ENGINEERING, OKAY. >> HE'S AN ENGINEER TOO. [LAUGHTER] YES, MA'AM. WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED IS A STORM WATER REPORT, AND SO HE IS CORRECT, WHAT THEY LOOK TO THE DEVELOPER IS PRE- AND POST-DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF CAN DO NO HARM DOWNSTREAM. THEY HAVE TO ATTAIN THAT AND ATENUATE IT AT A SLOWER STRUCTURE AND RELEASE IT AT A LOWER RATE SO IT DOESN'T OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM. THE SYSTEM FALLS OUT TO THE WEST FROM THE EAST AND WE WOULD LIKE AT THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T OVERWHELM THE 36" PIPE THAT IS THERE WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING TO COME ACROSS. ONCE WE GET THAT DATA, WE'LL VERIFY AND CHECK THE NUMBERS MULTIPLE TIMES AND WE TEND TO ARGUE WITH THE WATER NUMBERS A LOT, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL VERIFY TO MEET THE DESIGN REGULATIONS REQUIREMENTS. >> IN OTHER WORDS, HE CAN'T MAKE IT WORSE, HE HAS TO MAKE IT PROBABLY BETTER. >> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. >> I'M SORRY, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. SO YOU SAID THEY CAN'T MAKE IT WORSE. WE MAKE SURE THE POST-RUNOFF VALUE AND PRE-RUNOFF VALUE ARE MET. SO IT'S COMMON AND DEVELOPMENT TWO YEAR, 25-YEAR, 50-YEAR, HUNDRED-YEAR, WE CHECK THE RETURN INTERVALS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ATTENUATEING THAT WATER AND NOT CAUSING HARM DOWNSTREAM. >> WHERE WOULD THEY PUT A RETENTION POND THEN? >> IT WOULD BE A DETENTION POND. RETENTION RETAINS THE WATER INDEFINITELY. THEY WOULD PUT THE DETENTION POND IN NORTH OF THE STREET. IT LOOKS LIKE THE LITTLE PEANUT UP THERE. IT'S PRETTY LARGE. IT ENCOMPASSES PROBABLY THE EQUIVALENT OF THREE LOTS IN THAT AREA. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THAT DETENTION BASIN. >> I SEE. >> I'VE GOT JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. I WANT TO THROW MY VERSION OF THE "I WAS HERE FIRST CARD. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN CARY WOODS FOR 25 YEARS, AND BEHIND ME ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, THEY CLEAR CUT ABOUT TEN ACRES' WORTH AND PUT SOME HOMES UP THERE. THOSE HOMES, I BELIEVE, IT TOOK ME A LITTLE TIME, BUT THEY'RE NICE HOMES AND THEY'RE PUTTING SOME MORE UP THERE, AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT. THEY BORDER THE BACK OF MY FENCE, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT -- THAT SHIP HAS SAILED AND PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE. BY GOLLY, I JUST HEARD THE NUMBER OF HOW MUCH THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO SELL FOR AND I WAS TAKEN ABACK, BUT PEOPLE HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY TO BUY THOSE THINGS AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING HERE. I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS DEVELOPER IN THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I MISS THE TURKEY AND THE FOXES AND I HAD DEER IN MY FRONT YARD THE FIRST DAY I WALKED INTO MY HOUSE, THERE WAS THREE OF THEM STANDING RIGHT IN THE FRONT YARD, THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMING AND THIS HAS BEEN ZONED TO DEVELOP FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND I THINK I'M CONFIDENT THAT I WILL BECOME COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. I WOULD RATHER NOT CUT EVERYTHING DOWN, BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THE BEST RIGHT THING THAT CAN BE DONE. AND I'M FOR THIS PROJECT AND I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. >> LET ME SAY THIS TOO. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, I READ TO YOU ALL A STATEMENT AS TO WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS TO DO, AND WITH PLATS, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS A PLAT, A PRELIMINARY PLAT, THAT OUR AUTHORITY IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO CONFIRMING THAT THE PLAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF A PLAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? THEN I NEED A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE PP-2026-015 THE MEADOWS. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. [01:50:03] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. >> WE NEED TO WAIT FOR MS. STEPHENS. >> I THINK YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE A MOTION FOR A RECESS. >> MOTION TO RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES. [8. Preliminary Plat – Uptown 2 by PD – PUBLIC HEARING] >> OKAY, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR UPTOWN 2 BY PD. >> UPDOWN 2 BY PD. THE ACTION REQUEST FOR FILM PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. THIS WAS A PAST CONDITION, APPROVED EIGHT-UNIT 32-BED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AT 152 BRAGG. THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT THERE BE A CONSOLIDATION PLAT THAT DEDICATED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. EVEN IT IS ONLY TWO LOTS, IT IS BEFORE YOU ALL BECAUSE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS BEING DEDICATED. THE SPECS ON THAT ALLEY IS 30 FEET. THEY ARE DEDICATING THE 25. WHEN THE OTHER PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH REDEVELOP, THEY WILL HAVE TO DEDICATE THE FIVE, BUT THIS SATISFIES THEIR CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT WEST, ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENT OF CROSS ACCESS CONNECTIVITY. LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A THEME OVER THE PAST THREE MONTHS IS MAINTAINING ACCESS ON OUR ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS OF GETTING THESE SIDE ACCESS STREETS AND FORCING ACCESS IN OTHER DIRECTIONS. THIS IS THE PLAT THAT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENT AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY MOVING THROUGH DRT. WITH THAT, CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> I WILL OPEN THE PRELIMINARY HEARING FOR UPTOWN 2 BY PD. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? >> MY NAME IS BETH THOMAS WESLEY. I'M THE MANAGING MEMBER OF VILLA OAKS LLC, WHICH I OWN TOGETHER WITH MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS. WE'RE THE THOMAS FAMILY, AND OUR ADDRESS IS 355 NORTH COLLEGE STREET. THE PROPERTY ON COLLEGE STREET WAS PURCHASED BY MY PATERNAL GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND MY PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS BUILT THE HOUSE AT 355 NORTH COLLEGE STREET IN THE 1920S, AND MY FATHER GREW UP THERE. BOTH OF OUR PARENTS ARE DECEASED, NOW IT'S JUST THE FIVE OF US, AND WE OWN THE PROPERTY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM NORTH COLLEGE ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO SANDERS STREET, AND IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THESE PLOTS. HOWEVER, THERE IS ONE LITTLE CORNER THAT BUTTS UP AGAINST THE EAST CORNER OF THIS PLOT, AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A MORE CLEAR EXPLANATION OF EXACTLY WHERE THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL GO BECAUSE OUR DRAINAGE WILL GO DIRECTLY IN THAT DIRECTION. AND SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT OUR LAND, WHICH IS UNDEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. THE MAJOR PORTION OF THE LAND IS UNDEVELOPED. >> I BELIEVE, AND MY SON WAS HERE EARLIER THIS EVENING AND HE KNOWS A LOT MORE ABOUT THE DRAINAGE OF THE PROPERTIES. HE'S INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AND HE WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I THINK HE HAD TO LEAVE. SO I THINK I'VE EXPRESSED WHAT OUR MAIN CONCERN IS. WE DO NOT OPPOSE THE CONSOLIDATION OF THESE PLOTS OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT. WE JUST REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW OUR DRAINAGE WILL BE AFFECTED. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. PLEASE SIGN IN, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVEN'T. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? >> HELLO, MY NAME IS JOSHUA WESLEY. AS MY MOTHER JUST SPOKE, I HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY THAT JUST TOUCHES THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PLOT. [01:55:04] THIS LOCATION WAS -- I BELIEVE IT HAD A HOUSE ON IT. THESE TWO LOCATIONS HAD A HOUSE ON IT AT ONE POINT, AND WITHIN THE LAST TEN, TWELVE YEARS, ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS OCCURRING SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD WHERE THEY DUG A HUGE HOLE, EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED THERE, AND ALL THE WATER FROM ESSENTIALLY THIS PROPERTY THAT MY MOTHER REFERRED TO AND HIGHER GROUND DRAINING DOWN THE STREET, FLOOD STRAIGHT IN TO WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A HOLE AT THIS PLOT. SO MY PRIMARY CONCERN, AS THE SON OF AN ARCHITECT WHO GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF AUBURN, GRANDSON OF THE FIRST DEAN OF ARCHITECTURE OF THE UNIVERSITY, IS THAT THE WATER THAT COMES OFF OF THE FLAT ROOFS IS GOING TO GO STRAIGHT DOWN, STRAIGHT DOWN UNTIL IT CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS PUT AT THAT MANHOLE RIGHT THERE, BUT IF IT CAN'T HANDLE WHAT COMES OFF OF THIS CONSTRUCTION [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO BE FLOODED. SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY CONCERN, HOW IT ADDRESSES FLOW OFF OF OUR PROPERTY. NOW, I'LL SAY ON THIS THAT THE LOT TO THE RIGHT, TO THE EAST OF [INAUDIBLE] PLOT, THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, IF THIS IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY, WOULD WE HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY? NOW, UNLESS THE NEXT PROPERTY OWNER OVER GIVES US RIGHT-OF-WAY ALSO, WE WOULD NOT HAVE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THIS, SO THAT WOULD NOT GIVE US ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CIRCLE JUST NORTH OF THE STREET. WE DO HAVE ACCESS. BUT IF WE CAN GET ACCESS TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY INTO OUR PROPERTY, WE WOULD HAVE ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT WE DID DO IN THAT AREA. BUT, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE EAST OF THAT PLOT. I THINK THAT'S COVERED EVERYTHING I'M CONCERNED WITH. ARCHITECTURALLY, I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT IT THAT CLOSE. I TO PREFER THE BROWNSTONE STYLE WITH THE FEWER STORIES THAN WHAT WE HAVE GOT GOING ON DOWN FURTHER DOWN THE STREET. SO WHAT'S PROPOSED TO THAT IS A COMPROMISE OR MOVING IN THAT KIND OF DENSITY. I THINK WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT WILL BE OFFICIALLY OVER THE RAILROAD. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? >> I'M -- >> HOLD ON. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON PRELIMINARY PLAT UPTOWN 2 BY PD. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. PRELIMINARY PLAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT TO IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE RIGHT RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> THOSE PROPERTIES DON'T ADJOIN, LIKE HE MENTIONED, I CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT THE NEXT HOMEOWNER WOULD DO. I THINK THE INTENTION BY PLANNING IS THAT THIS WOULD BE CONTINUED TO ALLOW THAT CROSS ACCESS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DEDICATING THIS ALLEY, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY CONDITIONED THAT THE NEXT HOMEOWNER WOULD ALSO BE PUT ON THAT DEVELOPMENT, KINDA LIKE THE FIVE-FOOT TO COME FROM THE NORTH THAT WOULD COMPLETE THIS 30-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. IN REGARDS TO THE DRAINAGE, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED ON ANOTHER PROJECT, WE'LL HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT. WE'VE NOT ENGINEERED THIS YET, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT STAGE. WE AS ENGINEERS WOULD WANT TO INCREASE ANY RUNOFF AND ANYTHING STORED ON SITE WOULD BE STORED ON SITE AND THAT WOULD BE METERED OUT, AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO FLOOD OUT THE PROPERTY WE'RE DEVELOPING. SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS MOST OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS THAT I CAN ANSWER? >> YEAH, SO ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BLUEPRINT, THERE'S A CROSS HATCH WEDGE SHAPE. [02:00:04] WHAT IS THAT? >> I THINK IT'S EXISTING CONCRETE. THIS IS A SURVEY OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, SO NOTHING AS FAR AS WHAT'S PLANNED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY, GOT IT, THANK YOU. >> THIS IS JUST A PLAT FROM CONSOLIDATING THE TWO LOTS. >> AND DEDICATING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> AND DEDICATING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? >> MOVE TO APPROVE CASE PP-2026-017 UPTOWN 2 BY PD. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? [9. Conditional Use – Old Stage Road MUD – PUBLIC HEARING ] ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS CONDITIONAL USE OLD STAGE ROAD MUD. >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT A24-UNIT MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO BE AT OLD STAGE ROAD. CURRENTLY, THIS IS THREE PARCELS, APPROXIMATELY 2.91 ACRES, TO BE CONSOLIDATED FOR THE CDD THAT ALLOWS A DENSITY OF 9 AND A HALF DEVELOPMENT UNITS PER ACRE. THE 24 UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED EQUATES TO 8.25 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE, 25% OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED BUT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PLATTED. IT IS SHOWN ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN. 25% OF THE 2.91 WOULD BE .73 ACRES. RIGHT NOW, ABOUT .92 ACRES. THE WEST BUFFER YARD WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE TEN FEET TO THE DRIVE AISLE AND THE DUMPSTER WOULD BE TO HAVE SHIFTED TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND BECAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW DRIVE AISLES TO BE PARALLEL TO BUFFER YARDS. THEY CAN BE PERPENDICULAR. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? >> JUST TO THE POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE POINT OF EMPHASIS, WITH CDD AND RDD, THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF THE BUFFER YARDS LIVE, WHERE IT'S AN ADJOINING PROPERTY THAT'S LESS INTENSE, THERE CAN BE A SIGNIFICANT ONE. THE ONLY TIME FOR RECOURSE FOR AN APPLICANT IS AT PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, IF YOU GUYS THINK IT SHOULD BE LESS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THAT IS THE POINT OF THAT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN KIND OF POINTING OUT IN THE MEETINGS WHERE THE CDD AND RDD MEETINGS COME UP. THAT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO POINT OUT AND SOMETHING THAT APPLICANTS ALSO NOTE. I THINK IN THIS ONE, TEN IS PRETTY MINISCULE. I THINK THERE'S ONE LATER DOWN THE ROAD IN THE AGENDA, THAT'S THE FULL TYPE THREE 20-FEET DEAL, BUT SOMETHING WE WANT TO POINT OUT. >> OKAY. >> AND THE NOTES MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE WATER PRESSURE ISSUE. CAN SOMEBODY ADDRESS THAT? >> CERTAINLY, THAT AREA HAS APPROXIMATELY 40 POUNDS OF WATER PRESSURE, WHICH IS NOT GREAT AND REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 20PSI, BUT AT THAT PRESSURE, IF THEY'RE GOING VERTICAL, THEY MAY -- THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO ANY FIRE FLOW CALCULATIONS AND POSSIBLY NEED BOOSTER PUMPS FOR FIRE AND POSSIBLY DOMESTIC TOO. THEY'LL ALSO NEED TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THEIR INTERNAL PLUMBING DIAMETER SIZE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT CAUSING EXTRA FRICTION AND REDUCING FLOW PRESSURES. >> WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN WHERE THEY GO? IS THERE SOME KIND OF A DRT-LIKE PROCESS HERE? >> DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS AND DRT, WE'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN, AND IT'S QUITE COMMON, AND ALONG THE RIDGES OF TOWN, THE DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING USED TO PUTTING THESE IN. >> ALL RIGHT, WORKS. >> ALL RIGHT, IS THE APPLICANT'S REP HERE? APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE? >> OWNER IS HERE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, THE DEVELOPER. >> NO ONE, YOU'RE FREE TO GO. >> A LOT LESS PEOPLE HERE. [LAUGHTER] >> SORRY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? >> DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? >> OH, YES. THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. CONDITIONAL USE OLD STAGE ROAD MUD. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD. [02:05:12] >> HELLO, MY NAME IS TIMOTHY BURT. I HAVE A BUSINESS LOCATED AT 621 OLD STAGE ROAD IN ONE OF THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE FAIRLY HISTORIC, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A WELL ON THE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. IT'S A BRICK WELL. IT'S BEEN DUG FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUT INFORMATION IN THE FRONT, MY COLLEAGUE AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. IF YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE TWO HOUSES THERE, WALTER NORTHCOTT HAS A LAW BUSINESS THERE AND WE HAVE A COUNSELING BUSINESS THERE AND THE TWO LITTLE HOUSES AND THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF BUSINESSES IN THE BACK, SMALL INDUSTRIAL OR FABRICATION KIND OF THINGS AND SO FORTH. THERE MAY NOT BE A LOT OF THOSE PLACES IN THE CITY TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF BUSINESSES. I WOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE, YOU KNOW, IS THE PROPERTY BEING SOLD OR IS IT BEING DEALT WITH BY THE OWNER? IS THERE A ZONING VARIANCE OR A CHANGE IN ZONING REQUIRED? ALSO, IS -- THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSING GOING IN THERE. IS THIS GOING TO BE STUDENT HOUSING AND SO FORTH? KIND OF WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS THERE. WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO STAY WHERE WE'RE AT AND DON'T KNOW AND ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN -- IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE GRADED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE. >> IF IT'S APPROVED THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING PROPERTY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RELOCATE. MY COLLEAGUES AND I STAND AGAINST ANY KIND OF ZONING CHANGES THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? ONE THING, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS NOT AFFORDABLE HERE. I DO THINK THE OWNER FOR GIVING GIVING AFFORDABLE RENT TO SMALL BUSINESSES BUT WHEN THIS IS PROPOSED, TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING. YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE BUSINESSES BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO RENT AROUND HERE, SO I COMMEND THE OWNER. LIKE I SAY, IT'S HIS BUILDING AND I RESPECT THAT BUT RESPECT US AS BUSINESS PEOPLE ALSO AND GIVE US A TIMELINE WILL GIVE US INFORMATION. THE DON'T JUST SLAP A SIGN IN THE FRONT BY THE MAILBOX AND BE GONE. TELL US HOW LONG WE HAVE. TELL US HOW LONG WE HAVE TO LOOK BECAUSE WE DO OWN PRIVATE PRACTICES SO WE HAVE TO RELOCATE. WE HAVE FILES AND WE HAVE CHARTS AND SO WE HAVE ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO GIVE US A TIMELINE, AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SO IN THE DISCUSSION ON THE FIRST INFORMATION PACKET THE 61 OLD STAGE IS ONE OF THE ADDRESSES BEING CONSOLIDATED SO WHY I DO [02:10:04] SYMPATHIZE WITH THE TIMELINE AND THOSE THINGS, THOSE THINGS ARE EXPLICITLY PRIVATE. IT'S ON THE LANDLORDS AND TENANTS TO ADDRESS THAT UNPHONELY SO I HATE THAT IT WENT THAT WAY. IT'S JUST NOT ON CITY STAFF ON THAT I THINK ONE OF THE OCEAN THINGS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT THAT CAME UP I GUESS, SO, THE ASSOCIATION WITH THIS IS [INDISTINCT] AND PRIVATE DORM TRUST ARE NOT EXPRESSLY ALLOWED IN CDD SO THAT'S MORE DRT ADMINISTRATIVE THING KIND OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO DEFINE UP. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP APPLICANTS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HASH OUT SO WHAT IS BEING APPROVED TONIGHT IS UNITS AND URKS NOT NECESSARILY THE SITE PLAN. SITE PLANNED IS APPROVED IN DRT, PARKING WITH BEDS THAT WOULD BE APPROVED IN THE DRT PROCESS BUT USE OF MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENTS AND STRUCTURES ON ONE LOT FOR 24 UNITS IN LINE WITH THE DENSITY AND THOSE THINGS SO YOU GUYS DO HAVE TO PUT MULTIPLE CONDITIONS ON THIS IF Y'ALL SEE FIT BUT THAT'S I THINK WHAT THE FUTURE SUES WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS MUD AND STUDENT HOUSING IS ALLOWED ON CDD. SO I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONERS ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION. BACK TO YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFER YARD AND THE CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME ONE MORE TIME. >> YES. AND SO, BUFFER YARDS ARE ONE OF THOSE PESKY THINGS THAT IS A DIRECTIVIVE OF THE PERFORMANCE ZONING THAT WE HAVE. AND SO, ONE OF THE WAYS TO MAINTAIN GREEN SPACE IS TO MAINTAIN GREEN SPACES AND TO ALLOW DIFFERENT USES TO COEXIST WHEN THERE'S A LESSER INTENSE USE AND A GREATER USE THAT IS ALLOWED, AND PROPOSED NEXT DOOR THERE IS A BUFFER YARD REQUIRED IN BETWEEN THOSE. SO THE WIDTH OF THAT BUFFER YARD IS DETERMINED FROM THE GAP IN LAND USE INTENSITY SO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING NEXT TO MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE BUFFER YARD, TYPE 3 ELT SET A. ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE GAP USE OF INTENSITY BETWEEN NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. SO IN THIS ONE ANY RECOURSE THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS FROM THE PROPOSED BUFFER YARD THE BUFFER YARD THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS NEEDS TO BE ADMINISTERED ON SENATE NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO GET THAT AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK IS KIND OF THE GOING FORWARD ON THESE REDEVELOPMENTS AND CDD AND RDD THAT WE ARE GOING TO PAY TENSION TO WE LET PEOPLE KNOW IN PREAPPS GIVE US BEFORE COMMISSIONS, IT CUTS UP A LOT OF LAND YOU NEED TO GET A PLANNING COMMISSION TO TALK ABOUT IT, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE POINTING OUT SO THERE ARE SOMETIME TLAIGSZ WHAT CAN GO IN A BUFFER YARD WHAT CANNOT PARKING SPACE DRIVE AISLES ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED IN THE ORDINANCE. THERE'S A VARIANCE PROCESS FOR IT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT RESTS SOLELY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I GUESS WE HAVE BEEN MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF. >> WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT? IS IT EXISTING? >> YEAH THAT WAS THE COMEDIAN THAT REID MADE MADE THEY NEED TO MOVE THE DUMPSTER THAT THEY COULD MAKE IT LESSER. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT THE I THINK IT'S JUST THAT'S A CONFIGURATION AND THEY NEED TO RECONFIGURE SOME THINGS NIKE IT WORK, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. >> AND THEY'LL WORK THAT WITHIN THE EXISTING REQUIRED -- >> YEAH, CORRECT OR THEY HAVE TO COME BACK. >> LET ME CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING. >> I THINK WHAT WE ARE REFERRING TO IS ON THE BUFFER YARD REQUIREMENTS THERE'S 15 FOOT ONE TO THE NORTH AGAINST CSX RAILROAD, THERE'S A FIVE FOOT EXISTING TO THE MULTI-UNIT AND TO THE WEST IS THE CONSTRUCTION YARD. THAT'S THE ONE WE WERE SHOWING AS A 5 AND THEY WERE REQUESTING A 2. >> YES, LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WAS THERE ANYONE WANTS TO -- DEVELOPMENT? OKAY, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW, MR. BASQUIN. >> YES, SO I THINK THE ONE IN [02:15:03] QUESTION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE TEN FOOT TOWN THE WEST WHICH IS JAY LINE CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS A CONSTRUCTION YARD SO WE WERE SHOWING IT AS A FIVE HAND I GUESS THE CITY SAYING IT'S A TEN SO WE WOULD REQUIRE OR WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE A FIVE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN CORD NAILING WITH THEM AS ADJACENT PROPERTY HONORS SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH HIM ON DOING MAN. NOSHLGTS WE WOULD JUST NEED TO SHIFT STUFF OVER AND GET THE TEN BUT IT'S MORE OF TRYING TO BUFFER FROM HIM. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR A FENCE ANYWHERE. >> NO, NO, NO, NO. >> WE ARE NOT IN THIS BIG -- >> CAN WE SEE APPROXIMATE? >> YEAH. >> SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THAT CONSTRUCTION YARD. IT'S A BUILDING WITH LAY DOWN. TO THE EAST IS MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT. >> YES. >> SO WE ARE FINE TWLACHLT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS US BUFFING THE MULTI-UNIT GETS EXISTING CONSTRUCTION YARD SO IT'S MORE INTENSE THAN US BUT WE ARE HAVING TO PUT THE BIGGER BUFFER YARD BECAUSE WE ARE COMING IN AFTER THE FACT, KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE FIVE IF WE CAN, IF YOU GUYS WOULD ALLOW US TO, BUT IF NOT, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO SHIFGTS THINGS AROUND TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD HAPPENED BUFFING AGAINST A LESSER INTENSE USE. SO. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. NEED A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE K KRU 2026-057. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE OLD STAGE ROAD OUD. >> ALL IN FAVOR AYE. ANY OPPOSED? [10. Conditional Use – Dixie Electric Cooperative – PUBLIC HEARING ] NEXT IS CONDITIONAL USE DIXIE COLLECTIVE COOPERATIVE. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ADDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR OFFICES INCLUDING INCLUDING A WAREHOUSE MAINTENANCE SHOP CONTRACTOR FUEL YARD LOCATED AT 2901 BEEHIVE ROAD IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS INDUSTRIAL. THE USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AS WELL AS THE ZONING. THE SITE PLAN HERE THE OFFICES ARE LOCATED UP AT THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, THE TRUCK STOP WAREHOUSE AND MAINTENANCE SHOP ARE LOCATED ON THE WEST, AND THEN, THE FUEL STATION IS THERE ZWROUS THE EAST OF THOSE BUILDINGS. AND CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD IS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE. THERE IS A 20 FOOT RESIDENTIAL BUFFER REQUIRED ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE REQUIRED PLANTINGS AS WELL AS A TYPE 3 STRUCTURE. THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS FOR THAT. THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE EITHER A MASONRY WALL WITH BRICK OR STUCCO FINISH THAT WOULD BE SIX FEET IN HEIGHT OR OPTION B IS A SIX FOOT STOCADE WITH BRICK OR STONE COME UMGS ON TOP OF A TWO FOOT BERM FOR A TOTAL HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. -- OKAY, THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONDITIONAL USE DIXIE ELECTRIC. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> HI, JOEL SULLIVAN. I LIVE AT ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT BORDERS ON THE SOUTH. >> ADDRESS PLEASE. >> 3249 CANNON LANE SO I THINK PRETTY MUCH MY MAIN CONCERN WAS ADDRESSED HERE. WHAT THE CURRENT SITUATION THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED ALONG THAT FENCE LINE THAT BORDERS THAT LAND, BUT THEY ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE A BUFFER AND A BARRIER BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THIS CONSTRUCTION ZONE AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE JUST FOR OUR PRIVACY FOR OUR FAMILY AND OUR KIDS AND THE OTHER FAMILIES IN [02:20:02] THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT WAS OUR MAIN CONCERN. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR THEIR REP? >> CLAY MASSEY, [INDISTINCT] ENGINEERING HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SITE PLAN OR CONDITIONAL USE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, MA'AM. >> I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE ROAD TO THE SOUTH. >> RUNS ALONG THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY? SO, THAT IS JUST AN INTERNAL REPRESENTATIVE DRIVE TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR SOME, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP BUT DIXIE ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE WOULD HAVE THEIR BUCKET TRUCKS CHERRY PICKERS WOULD BE STORED IN THIS YARD SO THIS LONG DRIVE IS JUST TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THEIR TRUCK SHOP MAINTENANCE SHOP WAREHOUSE JUST TO GIVE THEM A LOT OF OPTIONS TO MOVE THOSE LARGE VEHICLES BACK AND FORTH TO BE STRICTLY A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY ESSENTIALLY. >> AND DO YOU PLAN ON THE TIMES, THOSE TRUCKS WOULD BE MOVING ON SO, OUTSIDE OF A NATURAL DISASTER WHERE THEY'VE GOT TO MOVE THOSE TRUCKS AT ODD TIME TYPICALLY THOSE WOULD MOVE 7-8 IN THE MORNING WHEN THEY'RE GOING OUT FOR THE WORK IN THE DAY AND COMING BACK 5-6 IN THE AFTERNOON. >> NOT AT NIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ANY LIGHTS BACK THERE? >> THERE WILL BE SOME LIGHTING ON THE SIDE AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR ON THAT. WE WOULD MEET THE FACTORY DESIGN OF THE INDUSTRIAL DESIGN DISTRICT. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> MOVE TO APPROVE [INAUDIBLE] >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [11. Conditional Use – Tiger Spirits Hemp South College – PUBLIC HEARING] ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. NEXT IS CONDITIONAL USE, TIGER SPIRITS HEMP SOUTH COLLEGE. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. SO YES, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL CASE RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE RETAILER OF SPECIALTY OR HEMP PRODUCTS ESPECIALLY RETAILER. THE LOCATION IS 2328 SOUTH COLLEGE UNIT GHUN A ZONE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS THE SHOPPING CENTER WHERE ST. GEORGES AS WELL AS THE ARMY RETRUE CENTER TIGER SPIRITS CENTER APPLIES FOR UNIT ONE APPLYING FOR CONSUMABLE HEMP LICENSE W. THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? >> SURE. IT'S NOT REQUIRED. >> IT'S NOT REQUIRED. >> HI THERE. MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN [INDISTINCT] OWNER OF TIGER SPIRITS AND CHARTER SPIRITS. IF YOU DON'T KNOW BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT THC LAWS THIS PAST JANUARY IT WAS BASICALLY SAID THE STATE IS GOING TO REGULATE, ABC WILL REGULATE HEMP. THEY DETERMINED WHAT COULD BE SOLD THE PACKAGING IN WHICH IT ALSO COULD BE SOLD AND THEN, WHO COULD BE DISTRIBUTE IT. SO, IT WAS SOLD IN OUR STORES. WE REMOVED IT WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO AND WE WAITED IT OUT TO SEE HOW THE CITY WOULD REACT TO IT BEING IN A LICENSE AND SEVERAL BUSINESSES ALREADY APPLIED. I THINK THERE'S TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN BUSINESS SELLING THIS. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ISSUES OR ANY CONCERNS RAISED. WE DID LOSE A LOT OF BUSINESS BY WAITING BUT WE WANTED TO SEED WHAT THE CITY WOULD DO HOW WOULD IT REACT TO SUCH A THING AND DECIDED TO PUT IN OUR APPLICATION TO SELL THC HEMP N. TERMS OF CONCERNS PEOPLE WILL HAVE ARE YOU SELLING TO MINORS ARE YOU AROUND SCREWS AROUND CHUFRNGS NONE OF OUR PROPERTIES FACE ANY CHURCHES OR SCHOOLS OR CLOSE TO THEM WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. ANOTHER THING IS WE ALSO HAVE A VERY CLEAN RECORD AT ALL OUR STORES AND WE HAVE A VERY HIGH TRAINING PROCESS WITH OUR EMPLOYEES ON HOW CAN YOU SELL THESE PRODUCTS AND WHO CAN YOU SELL THEM TO BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS HERE I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER THEM, VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AND ANYONE HERE THAT ALSO CAME TODAY I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE HAVE, WANT TO SPEAK ON TIGER SPIRITS HEMP, SOUTH COLLEGE? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE KRU-2026 TIGER SHIRTS. [02:25:04] >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE NEXT, CONDITIONAL USE, [12. Conditional Use – Charred Oak Hemp – PUBLIC HEARING ] CHARRED OAK HEMP. >> THIS IS PETITION FOR CON SUNLABLE HEMP 2900 EAST CONVERT DRIVE WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY LOCATED WITHIN THE SHOPS OF CARY CREEK SHOPPING CENTER THE THEY HAVE ABC LICENSE BUT DISH NATURAL CONDITIONAL SUES REQUIRED WITH MOST RECENT UPDATE TO ZONING. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. >> AND THIS ALSO REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CHARRED OAK HEMP. PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> COMMISSIONERS. >> MOVE TO APPROVE -- READING]. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. [13. Waiver – Durr-Nelms-Washington Subdivision ] NEXT IS A WAVER. >> THIS IS WAVER TO ALLOW SUBDIVISION OF LAND AND LOT TO CONTAIN 3 ACRES LOCATED AT 23 LEROY ROAD ALSO KNOWN AS PINK LANE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH TODAY IS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS BUT WITHIN THE PLANNING JURISDICTION AND OPTIMAL BOUNDARY. IT'S AT THE CORNER OF PINK LANE AND EAST FARMVILLE ROAD AND REQUEST IS TO RERUB DIVIDE OR CHANGE THE LOT LINE BETWEEN THESE TWO PARCELS SETTLING UP THE ESTATE BETWEEN THE FORMER LAND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE NORTH BOTH PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY NON-CONFORMING AS TO THEIR LOT SIZE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS .66 ACRES AND THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS JUST OVER HALF AN ACRE. THE PROPERTY LINE AS IT IS NOW RUNS THROUGH THE HOUSE ON THE SOUTH AND SO, THIS WAIVER WILL ALLOW US TO MOVE THAT PROPERTY LINE FURTHER NORTH AND REMEDY THAT ERROR. THE WAIVER TO THE SUB-REGS IS FOR THE NORTHERN FROBT SUBDIVIDED. WE WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE BZA IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY TO BE SUBDIVIDED AND BOTH THOSE PROOUFLS ARE REQUIRED BEFORE THE PLAT CAN BE SIGNED AND ROSHTD AND THEY WILL BE GOING TO BZA INCOME OCTOBER FOR THAT. >> IT'S A WAIVER THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. SO COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS. >> THEN I NEED A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE WZ 2026012. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, MOTION IS APPROVED. OKAY. OTHER BUSINESS? >> I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. >> OKAY, GOOD. AND I HAVE NOTHING. STAFF HAVE ANYTHING? NO? >> MOST TO ADJOURN. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.