GET TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT.
[1. CALL TO ORDER.]
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ANY OTHER COMMENTS OF THE DAIS? OKAY.IT IS SIX '07 P.M. SO WE WILL MOVE STRAIGHT INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING AND CERTAINLY, WE WELCOME EVERYONE AND I WANT TO CALL TO ORDER TONIGHT'S AUBURN CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER THE 15TH. WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT HAS JOINED US LIVE AS WELL AS THAT ARE WATCHING THROUGH OUR STREAMING SERVICES AND LISTENING ON WA AND I.
WITH THE ROLL CALL, LINDSAY? >> DAWSON?
>> HERE. >> PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> MAYOR ANDERS: PLEASE BE
[4. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS.]
SEATED. EARLIER TONIGHT DURING THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE WE HAD A NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS OR REAPPOINTMENTS WE HAD A COUPLE FROM THE GREENSPACE ADVISORY BOARD, PHIL CHANCELLOR WAS APPOINTED FOR HIS FIRST FULL TERM AND MICHAEL BUTMAN FOR HIS SECOND FULL TERM WE HAD TWO FROM THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT BOARD.DAVE BATES WAS REAPPOINTED FOR HIS FIFTH TERM AND MATT CLEGG FOR HIS SECOND TERM AND THE WEEKEND YOUTH DEVELOPMENT CENTER CYNTHIA BOYD WAS REAPPOINTED TO HER SECOND FULL TERM.
WE INTRODUCED PARKER NELSON WHO WILL BE PART OF THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM COMMUNITY AND WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT ISSUING A CITY EMAIL FOR AN INCOMING CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE. UNDER ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH, WE ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE HUGE WEEKEND WITH ALL OF THEM COMING TO TOWN AND WE CERTAINLY WANT EVERYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN COMING TO AUBURN, YOU ARE WELCOME, WE HOPE THAT YOUR INTENTIONS WOULD BE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME AND TO BE RESPECTFUL OF ALL OF THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T BECOME A PROBLEM FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT YOU ARE WELCOME HERE AND WE ARE CERTAINLY EXCITED ABOUT A BIG WEEKEND.
NEXT WEEKEND IS HOMECOMING WEEKEND.
I WOULD REMIND OUR COMMUNITY ON FRIDAY THAT WOULD BE THE HOMECOMING PARADE FOR THE STUDENT GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION OF AUBURN UNIVERSITY AND A PEP RALLY WILL BE HELD AFTERWARDS.
I WOULD SAY THAT FRIDAY AFTERNOON GETTING IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING.
SO PLEASE FILE THAT AWAY. I WANT TO THANK THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR HOSTING BLESSING ON THE CORNER LAST FRIDAY.
IT'S ALWAYS A RICH TIME TOGETHER TO GATHER TOGETHER AS MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ASK FOR THE LORD'S BLESSINGS AS WE START A NEW ACADEMIC AND ATHLETIC YEAR HERE AND I APPRECIATE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PUTTING THAT ON.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK FATHER FARMER AT SAINT MICHAEL'S CHURCH FOR HOSTING THE BLUE MASS THAT THAT CHURCH HOSTS EVERY YEAR IN HONOR AND RECOGNITION OF THE SACRIFICES THAT REMAIN ON -- WERE MADE ON 9/11. AS WELL AS RECOGNIZING THE GREAT WORK THAT WERE MADE BY PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS HERE LOCALLY.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO GO TO THE GROUNDBREAKING OF THE NORTH END ZONE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE NORTH END ZONE YOU COULD REALLY GET CALLED UP IN THE ATHLETIC PURPOSE OF THAT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO HEAR THE STUDENT PURPOSE WHAT THAT FACILITY WOULD BE THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE A PART OF WHAT GOES ON OUTSIDE OF THE NORTH END ZONE FOR THE NEXT 24 MONTHS TO SEE HOW THAT COULD OFFER DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO HOST EVENTS AND PARTIES AND WHAT NOT AND SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THIS PAST SUNDAY, I WANT TO MAMA GOLDBERGS AND CELEBRATED THEIR 50TH ANNIVERSARY.
CERTAINLY, THE STORY OF DON DEMINT WHO HAD A FINE MEN'S CLOTHING STORE IN THAT LITTLE BUILDING AND TURNING THAT INTO A DELI SHOP IS AN INTERESTING STORY.
BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT MAMA GOLDBERGS HAS MEANT.
IT IS A TRUE AUBURN BUSINESS. IT WAS DEVELOPED HERE, FOUNDED HERE, AND HAS GROWN FROM HERE AND CERTAINLY THINK THE -- THANK THE CURRENT OWNERS FOR ALL THEY ARE DOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE MAMA GOLDBERG'S A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AS WELL AS EVERYWHERE ELSE. I WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE MEETINGS I HAVE HAD REGARDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY, CERTAINLY HAD A GREAT MEETING WITH A COUPLE OF STAFF MEMBERS AND MR. FRED BENNETT WHO HAS BEEN A DEVELOPER AND A BUILDER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY THERE'S AT LEAST TWO PROJECTS THAT HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN AND IT WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT WHAT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES REST WITH THE CITY BECOMING A PARTNER AND CREATING SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY THOSE WERE EARLY DISCUSSIONS THERE WERE EARLY CONCLUSIONS THAT WERE DRAWN.
ALSO MYSELF AND MY X COHORTS HAD A LOCAL BREAKFAST WITH A PROPERTY MANAGER. I'M HOPEFUL THAT SOMETHING WILL COME WITH THAT AS OTHER PROPERTY MANAGERS TOGETHER CAN EVALUATE
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WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE AND WHERE THE VACANCIES ARE AFTER STUDENTS GO THROUGH THE SIGNING UP FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S LEASES SO WE ARE ACTIVELY TALKING TO THOSE PEOPLE AND HOPING THAT THINGS CAN COME FORWARD WITH THAT. ALSO HAD, I'M KEEPING UP WITH THE DEVELOPER. AT ANOTHER PHONE CONVERSATION WITH HIM RECENTLY. HE HAS CONTINUED TO WORK ON SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO THOSE WHO WOULD BE DISPLEASED COME MAY. SO THAT'S THE WORK THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH. I ALSO HAVE HAD A NEW GRANDDAUGHTER SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, SO I WAS OUT A FEW DAYS AND DIDN'T GET AS MUCH DONE. I DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT I WOULD LIKE TO READ IF YOU WOULD BEAR WITH ME, IT'S SOMETHING I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT AND I BELIEVE OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT. THIS PAST FEBRUARY THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTED $2 MILLION OF GAP FINANCING TO THE AUBURN HOUSING AUTHORITY AS THEY SOUGHT FUNDING FROM THE ALABAMA HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY REDEVELOPED THE FIRST 56 UNITS OF THE APARTMENTS. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR THIS FUNDING IN 2021 AND 2024.WITH SUPPORT FINANCE FROM THE CITY BUT THEY WERE NOT SELECTED BUT PERSEVERANCE AND HARD WORK PAID OFF AND TODAY I AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THE AUBURN HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FUNDED BY THE ALABAMA HOUSING FINANCE PARTY.
OVER THE NEXT YEAR THE AUBURN HOUSING AUTHORITY WILL BEGIN TO WORK ON THIS IMPORTANT $21 MILLION REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT. NOW THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO THE FOLLOWING. A $225,000 GRANT FROM THE CITY'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT CITY BG ALLOCATION.
A $225,000 LOAN FROM THE SECTION 108 LOAN PROGRAM, A $1.7 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND PAYABLE OVER EIGHT YEARS WHICH EQUALS $221,000 PLUS PER YEAR AND IS INCLUDED IN THE FY 2027 BUDGET THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
AS THE PROJECT PROCEEDS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE AUBURN HOUSING AUTHORITY DOES HAVE A PROGRAM FOR RELOCATION OF EXISTING TENANTS AS REQUIRED BY THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. ALSO WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO SHARON TALBOT AND THE BOARD OF THE AUBURN HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND PERSEVERANCE.
I KNOW I SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WHEN I WAS -- WHEN I SAY WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THEY WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE? >> I DON'T HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT I DO HAVE A VERIFICATION. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL, ALL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MAYOR, BUT I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ALL RECEIVE AN ALLOCATION BUDGET FOR TRAVELING AND THAT BUDGET IS $2000. AND EVERY YEAR I GET READY TO GO TO WASHINGTON SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL.
$2000 IS NOT ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE.
SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD ASK OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE DONE THAT USING THEIR FUNDS, CAN WE USE THOSE FUNDS. SO I HAVE ASKED OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LET ME USE THEIR FUNDS IN ORDER TO TRAVEL WITH -- SO, IT HAS BEEN GRANTED OVER THE YEARS AND I AM THANKFUL FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE I REALLY PROBABLY COULD NOT AFFORD TO GO TO WASHINGTON WITHOUT USING SOMEONE'S FUNDS, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I'M USING NOBODY'S GIVING MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET BUT I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE FUNDING FOR ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER. TO LOOK MY TRIP -- MAKE MY TRIP
A SUCCESS. >> MAYOR ANDERS: DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE. YESTERDAY, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF TOURING THE ONE VOICE WOMEN'S HOME AT NORTHRIDGE CAMPUS, I HAD A VERY NICE VISIT AND WE TALKED THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS AND INITIATIVES AND WHAT THEIR FUTURE LOOKS LIKE AND THEN I ALSO HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH THE BRIDGEWATER COMMUNITY AT CHAPPY'S DELI LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH RESIDENTS AND IT'S JUST NICE TO SIT AND CHAT ABOUT THINGS THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING IN NORTH AUBURN.
[5. AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS.]
>> MAYOR ANDERS: ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE AHEAD WITH AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUN COMMUNICATIONS.
>> GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR ANDERS.
I AM A MEMBER OF AUBURN SGA. ON JUNE NINTH BROUGHT IN APPROXIMATELY $27.3 MILLION IN THE AUBURN ECONOMY EVERY SUMMER.
AND SAW A $79.7 MILLION IMPACT IN EXPOSURE OVER 100,000
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VISITORS. PRESIDENT ROBERTS HOSTED AN EVENT FOR FIRST YEAR STUDENTS AT THEIR HOUSE ON [INDISTINCT] STREET AS A PART OF THE EXPERIENCE.THIS EVENT ALLOWED THEM TO MEET ACADEMIC AND UNIVERSITY LEADERSHIP WHILE EXPERIENCING AUBURN COMMUNITY EARLY IN THE YEAR. AND ON SEPTEMBER 11TH AUBURN RTC HOSTED THEIR SEVENTH ANNUAL MEMORIAL STAIR CON FOR OVER 600 PARTICIPANTS FOR CADETS OF ALL ROTC BRANCHES, FIRST RESPONDERS, STUDENT ATHLETES, AND STUDENT UNIVERSITY REPRESENTATIVES OF 3431ST RESPONDER LIVES THAT WERE LOST.
CONTINUALLY, LIKE MAYOR ANDERS SAID, AUBURN UNIVERSITY BROKE GROUND ON THE NORTH END ZONE PROJECT ALSO THIS PAST THURSDAY AND IT'S A 300,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE STADIUM, SCHEDULED FOR COMPLETION IN SPRING OF 2029 AND LIKE MAYOR ANDERS SAID AGAIN IT GOES BEYOND ATHLETICS AS A SPACE FOR STUDENTS TO HOLD EVENTS AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HOLD EVENTS AND IT GOES BEYOND JUST THE ATHLETICS.
AUBURN GREEK LIFE WILL PARTICIPATE IN NATIONAL HAZING PREVENTION WEEK FROM SEPTEMBER 21ST TO 25TH TO ENCOURAGE A SHIFT FOR SAFETY, INCLUSION AND RESPECT WITHIN STUDENT AND GREEK ORGANIZATIONS AND THEN FOOTBALL IS FINALLY BACK ON THE PLAYING FIELD FOR 43 TO EIGHT AND THIS WEEK WE WILL HOLD THE WHEELHOUSE, THE FLORIDA GATORS AND THE NEXT WEEK WILL BE VANDERBILT WHICH IS HOMECOMING WHICH WILL HAVE THE PARADE AND PEP RALLY AT 6:00 P.M. AND THEN FINALLY, A ORGANIZATION KICKED OFF THEIR FINAL WEEK LONG EVENT WAR OF ROSES WHICH IS DONE IN ORDER TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THEIR PHILANTHROPY THE ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL AND PHYSICAL DISABILITIES AND HISTORICALLY RAISE UPWARDS OF $100,000 FOR THIS THAT'S IT
[6. CITIZENS’ COMMUNICATIONS ON AGENDA ITEMS.]
FOR ME. >> APPRECIATE YOUR REPORT.
THIS TIME, AT CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS ON ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. THIS WOULD BE ONLY ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA THERE'S A FEW ITEMS THAT HAVE PUBLIC ADHERENCE ATTACHED TO THOSE THAT WOULD BE ITEM 9C AND ALL OF OUR RESOLUTIONS UNDER NUMBER 10 HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ATTACHED.
BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS ON OUR AGENDA YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL HAVE 5 MINUTES TO SP
SPEAK. >> ROBERT WILKINS, 261 [INDISTINCT] DRIVE AUBURN, ALABAMA.
COUNT ONE, TWO, AND THREE DEALING WITH APPOINTMENTS.
MAYOR PRO TEM BETH WITTEN AND COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD HAD AN IDEA TO IMPROVE OUR BOARD SELECTION SEVERAL YEARS AGO BUT THE GOOD OLD BOARD SYSTEM IS STILL WELL AND ALIVE.
WE ARE DENYING EXTRAORDINARY TALENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY SO WE CAN PLAY FAVORITES. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.
YOU COULD BE MAD AT ME BUT DO THE RIGHT THING AND OVERHAUL THIS TRAVESTY. NOW I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NINE A, AMENDING 2026, 2027 BY ANNUAL BUDGET.
THE MAYOR, COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD, CITY MANAGER, DIRECTOR MATTHEWS AND TYLER ADAMSON, WE DON'T DO CERTAIN THINGS IN MIDYEAR, BUT IN MIDYEAR, OUR CITY MANAGER INTRODUCED A WHOLE NEW DEPARTMENT, A LEGAL DEPARTMENT WITH NO DATA ISSUES, WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WANTS IT, THE MAYOR AND THIS COUNCIL GIVES IT TO HER. THIS COUNCIL GIVES HER THE BIGGEST SALARY BENEFIT OF ALL TOP TEN GOVERNMENT IN ALABAMA.
HER CONTRACT -- CONTRACT READS LIKE A SPORTS ATHLETE.
Y? ALL SHE HAS TO SAY IS I NEED SOMETHING TO ENLARGE OUR GOVERNMENT BY STAFFING FUNDS.
NO, NO, NO. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP.
WE HAVE TO STOP BEING WASTEFUL WITH THE ABUNDANCE OF REVENUE THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE WE HAVE GOT TO STOP DOING SO MANY SLUSH FUNDS. ONE BEING AS HIGH AS $122 MILLION AND THEN TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
BY THE WAY, DO WE START HAVING A REAL IN-DEPTH AUDIT ON THE LIKES OF A FORENSIC TYPE OF AUDIT. OUR CITY MANAGER'S, THIS PRACTICE STARTED IN 2000, SO SHE DID NOT START AT, UNDER THE MAYOR'S FIRST TERM, SHE COULD CHANGE ANY LINE ITEM AT ANY TIME SHE WANTS. THIS IS A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE PRACTICE. COUNCILOR GRISWOLD HAS TRIED OVER AND OVER TO STOP THE EXCESSIVE PURCHASES, ESPECIALLY AUTOMOBILES BY OUR CITY GOVERNMENT, BY OUR CITY MANAGER'S PUSHING FOR ONE AUTOMOBILE FOR EVERY POLICE OFFICER. WHAT IS NEXT? ONE AUTOMOBILE FOR EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE? STOP THIS, PLEASE. BUT WE WILL FIGHT OVER PENNIES FOR HELPING THE HOMELESS AND DENY THAT WE ARE DROPPING THEM
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OFF IN TIGERTOWN. WHO WOULD ADMIT TO SUCH A TERRIBLE PRACTICE? BUT IT'S HAPPENING AND IT IS TRUE. YES, IT IS.>> STOPPED THIS CLOCK. HOW DO YOU APPROVE OF -- HAVE PROOF OF THAT? DO YOU HAVE PROOF THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TAKEN A HOMELESS PERSON TO TIGER TOWN AND PUSHED THEM OUT OF THE CAR AND SAID GOOD LUCK? NO! TELL ME!
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF IT? >> WILL YOU LET ME SPEAK?
>> I WILL LET YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW.
>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE SUCH KINDNESS THERE.
>> THANK YOU. YOU KNOW I MEAN JERK I'M MEAN.
>> I HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IS YOU AS A GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM. PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO COME UP AND
SAY THINGS -- >> WHO'S AFRAID?
>> WHO'S AFRAID? >> THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TOLD ME
>> NO, I HAVE NOT SEEN IT, NO, I HAVE NOT.
DO I NEED TO SEE IT? I CAN GO WITH THE VOTE NEXT TIME
I HEAR OF IT. >> SO YOU REALLY HAVE NO PROOF.
>> YES, I HAVE PROOF, BUT I CANNOT CALL THEM FORWARD.
IF I COULD, I WOULD. BUT WHY IN THE HECK WOULD I WANT TO MAKE UP SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT MADE UP, IT IS
TRUE. >> RECENTLY, YOU SAID 75% OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN OUR INDUSTRIES ARE FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
>> YOU SAID THAT 25% WERE FROM AUBURN AND WAIN RADIO.
>> DID I SAY 75% WERE FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES?
>> 75%. >> SO YOU INTERPRETED THAT.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TIGER TOWN?
>> TIGER TOWN IS TIGER TOWN. >> TIGER TOWN WE QUITE FREQUENTLY WOULD TAKE FOLKS AND DROP THEM OFF AT.
>> THE COUNTY JAIL IS ALSO IN TIGER TOWN.
CAN WE TAKE FOLKS AND DROP THEM OFF THERE.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OR HEARING ABOUT.
>> THAT'S NOT AT, I'M SORRY. AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRETTY RELIABLE, I'M WORKING ON IT AND I HOPE I CAN HAVE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO BRING IT FORWARD, IT IS TRUE.
I HAVE NO DESIRE TO MAKE UP ANYTHING.
THIS IS TRUE AND YOU CAN LAUGH, ALL OF YOU CAN ACT LIKE IT'S NOT HAPPENING, BUT IT IS. AND THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT JUST HAPPENING IN AUBURN, IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE STATE.
>> MR. MAYOR CAT CAN WE RESTART THE CLOCK PLEASE.
>> WE CAN WITH COUNSEL'S PERMISSION.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE MOMENT. THE NOTION OF INCLUDING ME AS A GOOD OLD BOY IS -- [LAUGHTER]
>> I JUST DON'T. >> I DID NOT SAY YOU WERE A GOOD
OLD BOY. >> YOU ARE SAYING IT'S A GOOD
OLD BOY SYSTEM. >> YOU'RE NOT A PART OF THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM. I'M SORRY.
>> THERE IS NO GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM.
>> YES THERE IS. >> THAT IS MY ISSUE.
>> THE ISSUE THAT YOU INCLUDING ME AS A GOOD OLD BOY.
>> YOU ARE NOT A GOOD OLD BOY. >> I'M SO NOT A GOOD OLD BOY, THESE ARE ELECTED PEOPLE TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST WORK ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS THEY REPRESENT. AND IT'S JUST SOME OF THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING, JUST DON'T MAKE ANY LOGIC.
>> FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE ILLOGICAL BECAUSE I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF AUBURN BEING A GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM.
>> I'M SORRY. >> I SAID THE GOOD OLD BOY
SYSTEM. >> THE GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM IMPLIES THAT THIS BODY IS A GOOD OLD BODY AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE
CASE. >> ROBERT, YOU LITERALLY SAID
THAT. >> I SAID THE GOOD OLD BOY
SYSTEM. >> WHAT, TO EACH AND EVERY ONE
>> YOU WANT ME TO READ IT AGAIN. >> MR. MAYOR, COULD WE RESTART
THE CLOCK PLEASE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR, IF WE HAVE BEEN DROPPING CITIZENS OFF IN TIGER TOWN, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
>> YOU THINK HE'S REALLY GOING TO SAY HE DOES?
>> WE HAVE NOT BEEN REMOVING ANYONE FROM THE CITY UNLESS THEY HAVE ASKED FOR A RIDE AND WE ONLY DO THAT WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT. SO IF THEY ASK FOR A RIDE AND WE ARE NOT BUSY, WE WILL FACILITATE A RIDE.
SOMETIMES OUR OFFICERS BUY BUS TICKETS FOR PEOPLE WHO ASK FOR A RIDE. BUT TO REMOVE SOMEONE AGAINST THEIR WILL AND INVOLUNTARILY, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
>> THANK YOU. >> PLEASE START THE CLOCK.
>> FIRST OF ALL, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT HOUSE BILL 162 WAS INTRODUCED IN 2025, WHY? BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENED AT TIGER TOWN. THERE ARE OTHER CITIES AND OTHER
COUNTIES -- >> POINT OF ORDER, THIS IS NOT REFERENCING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA HERE.
>> I THINK WE DEALT WITH THAT LAST TIME THAT YOU AND I TALKED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. I WAS DEALING WITH THE HOMELESS YOU SAID IT WAS NOT AND I SAID IT WAS FROM THE UNITED METHODIST
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CHURCH THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE SO YES, IT IS STILL PART OF IT.I'M ABOUT THROUGH SO GIVE ME THREE LINES AND YOU CAN HAVE RID OF ME, OKAY? AND BILL 162 INTRODUCED IN 2025 IT SAID IT DEALS WITH THIS KIND OF PRACTICE AND IT SAYS BECAUSE THIS PRACTICE IS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE STATE, WHEN OUR CITY GOVERNMENT OF AUBURN IS INVOLVED, AND THEY DID NOT PASS AT, IT STAYED AT COMMITTEE AND OF COURSE, IT WOULD BE.
IT WOULD BE A DIFFICULT THING TO PASS.
I AM SURPRISED ANYONE EVER PUT IT UP BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE.
BUT IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE, NOT JUST IN ALABAMA, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND WE IGNORE IT. AND WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TELL PEOPLE WELL, MR. WILKINS, YOU SURE DON'T NEED TO BE UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU I GUESS OR WHATEVER. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY REASON NOT TO BE TRUTHFUL. I HAVE NO REASON, I HAVE NO GAIN, ALL I HAVE IS THIS KIND OF STUFF.
THIS IS WHAT I GET. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I'M READY TO BE HERE I'M READY TO HELP THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND I THINK DROPPING THEM OFF IN TIGER TOWN IS UNEXCUSABLE.
UNTIL UNTIL YOU ALL FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON BUT BETWEEN OUR CITY MANAGER SHE CONTROLS OUR SAFETY DEPARTMENT AND SO FORTH.
AND I KNOW WHEN I SAY CITY MANAGER, YOU ALL JUST GO CRAZY.
SO IF I CAN GET THESE PEOPLE TO SPEAK UP OPENLY, WELL YOU CAN
>> THEY DON'T EXIST. >> YES, THEY DO.
>> THEY DON'T, ROBERT. >> YES, THEY DO.
>> WE DO NOT DROP PEOPLE OFF IN TIGER TOWN, THAT IS LUDICROUS.
>> IT'S UNTRUE. YOU SPEAK FALSEHOODS.
>> UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE I EVER INSTRUCTED THE POLICE CHIEF OR THE PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR TO DROP A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL OFF IN ANY OTHER CITY. . END OF STORY THAT'S THE TRUTH
AND NOT IN MY SPORTS CONTRACT. >> COULD YOU IMAGINE THE FRICTION BETWEEN OUR SISTER CITY SHOULD SUCH A PRACTICE EXIST?
IT IS LUDICROUS. >> IT'S CORRECT, WE ACTUALLY COLLABORATE VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR SISTER CITY AND WORK ON THESE ISSUES TOGETHER AND DESPITE PEOPLE WE COULD HAVE A FOOTBALL RIVALRY WITH OPELIKA, WE COULD ARGUE ABOUT SALES TAX BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WE WORK TOGETHER HAND-IN-HAND AND COLLABORATE TOGETHER OUR CHIEFS TALK
REGULARLY AND YOU ARE CORRECT. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT AN ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE AHEAD WITH CITY
[8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA (Part 1 of 2)]
MANAGER'S COMMUNICATIONS. >> MAYOR, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS THIS EVENING OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS CONSENT AGENDA. DOES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DEAL WITH THAT ITEM INDIVIDUALLY PLEASE BUY YES, I WOULD PLEASE.
ITEM 8D FOR. EIGHT DELTA FOUR.
[8.d.4. Owens Family Partnership, LLC. Temporary construction easement and authorize compensation of $87,500. North Donahue Drive Widening Project Phase I.]
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.ITEM EIGHT D4. >> IT OFFERS A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT OF $5000 TO THE OWENS FAMILY PARTNERSHIP LLC WITH THE NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE WIDENING PROJECT PHASE ONE.
>> SECOND. MOTION TO SECOND, MR. GRISWOLD.
>> I AM JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ON HOW THIS ITEM INTERACTS WITH ITEM 10B LATER ON. 10B TWO IS A STATUTORY WARRANTY DEED PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY AND YET THIS ITEM HAS PROVEN COMPENSATION FOR THE TEMPORARY USE OF THE SAME PROPERTY.
BOTH ITEMS HAD THE EXACT SAME MAP AND -- UNCLEAR AS TO WHY WE SHOULD BE DOING A TEMPORARY EASEMENT OF THIS AMOUNT BEFORE WE WOULD TURN AROUND LATER ON IN THE AGENDA AND PURCHASE THE PROPERTY FOR $980,000 WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION PLEASE.
>> UNDERSTANDABLE. I HAVE MR. CUMMINGS RESPOND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DEAL WITH A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY THEY RETAIN THE PROPERTY AND THEN A PERMANENT OR ACQUISITION OF RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE DIFFERENT. MR. CUMMINGS?
>> THE MAP IS THE SAME BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO IT SO THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE PURCHASING FOR RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S THE ACTUAL STATUTORY DEED THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A LITTLE LATER.
TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING SLOPES OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE HOURS BUT IT'S NOT PROPERTY WE WOULD NEED TO RETAIN INDEFINITELY.
THAT'S WHERE THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO WORK OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
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>> IT'S ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO THAT ROUTE A SMALLER SLIVER.
>> I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY AS COMPARING THE TWO DRAWINGS THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN WHAT SHOWS AS NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE RIGHT OF WAY AND WHAT IS CALLED CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT AND THE ITEM THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT. THE GAP BETWEEN THAT IS THE PROPERTY WHERE YOU ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE EASEMENT IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT. YOU SEE THE RIGHT SPACE BETWEEN PROPERTY PURCHASES IN BETWEEN THERE IS BETWEEN THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY FOR NORTH DONAHUE THESE ARE SIMILAR MAPS WHERE
THIS COULD BE CONFUSING. >> I SEE THE GAP IN THERE IF WE USE THAT PROPERTY AND WE USE SOMETHING AHEAD OF TIME.
>> IS PROPERTY IF WE DON'T NEED FOR THE ROAD ITSELF IT HAS TO DO WITH CONSTRUCTION TO RETURN TO THEIR OWNERSHIP ROUGHLY $350,000 AN ACRE IS PRETTY PRICEY PROPERTY AND NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD ACQUIRE LONG TERM IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
>> GOOD QUESTION. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ON THIS. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I ANY
[8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA (Part 2 of 2)]
OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION CARRIES.NOW I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT
>> SECOND. >> MAYOR ANDERS: SO MOVED.
FOR THE AGENDA FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE
[9.a. Amend FY2026 and FY2027 Biennial Budget. Second reading.]
SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED? CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.ORDINANCES. UNDER ORDINANCES THIS EVENING ITEM 9A FOR 3544 TO ACCOUNT FOR EVENTS AND CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THE FISCAL YEAR 20262027 BUDGET WAS ADOPTED.
THE PROCESS IS ALSO KNOWN AS THE MID BINDING AND BUDGET THIS IS
THE SECOND READING OF THIS ITEM. >> SECOND.
>> MAYOR ANDERS: MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS.
>> YES, ONCE AGAIN, I WILL BE VOTING JUST PRESENT ON THIS ONE INSTEAD OF YEA OR NAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THE APPROPRIATE CHANGE FOR IT.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH COUNT -- WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS PRIORITIES WERE NOT SOLICITED PRIOR TO THIS TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE ANY CHANGES IN THE COUNCIL. IN THE MID BIENNIAL BUDGET.
JUST SO YOU KNOW. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT?
MR. WARREN? >> IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SENTIMENT THERE. THE CITY BUDGET IS A VERY LARGE DOCUMENT. COVERING THE HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY SO I JUST WANT TO PICK AN ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO PICK SCHOOL FUNDING AND TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. TO MAYBE HELP CLARIFY AN ISSUE OR A BIG ISSUE FROM THE CITIZEN AND THE TAXPAYERS VIEWPOINT.
PEOPLE COME TO AUBURN FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
ONE BIG REASON IS OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND WE AS A CITY HAVE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO HAVE GRADE SCHOOLS REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET ARE TWO CHIEF FORMS OF REVENUE.
AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAXES.
FIRST PROPERTY TAXES, THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER IN AUBURN PAYS ABOUT $2000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAX.
THAT'S NOT A BAD DEAL. COMPARED TO OTHER STATES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES. ACROSS THE NATION AND ACROSS OUR AREA, OF THAT $2000, ABOUT 1300 OF THAT STAYS HOME WHICH MEANS THAT IT GOES TO THE CITY OF AUBURN TO BE USED LOCALLY AND THE REST GOES TO THE STATE AND THE COUNTY.
OF THE 1300 THAT STAYS HERE ABOUT 800, OR ABOUT 60% GOES TO FUND CONSTRUCTION OR IMPROVEMENT -- AND IMPROVEMENT FOR THE FACILITIES OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HERE SO ABOUT $800 OF THE $2000 THAT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN PAYS GOES TO SUPPORT FUNDING OF CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS. IF I'M OFF ON MY NUMBERS I WOULD TRUST THAT I WILL BE GENTLY CORRECTED BUT IN ADDITION TO PROPERTY TAX, THE CITY RECEIVES $0.04 ON EACH DOLLAR FROM SALES TAX OF RETAIL SALES AND OUR COMMUNITY. OF THAT, ONE AND ONE QUARTER PERCENT, OR ABOUT 30% GOES TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM'S GENERAL OPERATING FUND. SO, TO SUM IT UP, WE TAKE SERIOUSLY OUR PLEDGE TO HAVE GOOD SCHOOLS IN AUBURN AND THE MOST IMPORTANT INGREDIENTS IN THAT ARE TEACHERS AND OUR ADMINISTRATORS, BUT WE WANT THE SYSTEM TO BE WELL FUNDED.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT A GREAT BURNER FOR S, JUST A PRIORITY. SO THAT'S A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF
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ONE ITEM ON A VERY LARGE BUDGET, AND I HAVE COVERED THINGS I JUST THOUGHT THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE REVIEW POINT. SO FOR THAT AND FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO INCLUDE SAFETY AND SECURITY, TRANSPORTATION, WATER, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US, FOR THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE BUDGET.>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? FURTHER QUESTIONS? AGAIN, CITY MAYOR I WANT TO SAY TO YOU AND STAFF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING ON TOP OF THIS AND YOU ARE RECOGNIZED BY YOUR PEERS, ALISON AND YOUR TEAM AS BEING ONE OF THE BEST IF NOT THE BEST IN ALABAMA AND WE ARE CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
THIS IS A BIG JOB AND IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE THE DECISION TO WHERE THESE RESOURCES ARE APPLIED AND IT'S A GREAT, GREAT RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS A WEEK. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, IT'S VERY VITAL TO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE IN THE CITY SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT FORWARD, THAT CERTAINLY IS A STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE EMPLOYED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME TO SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS BEYOND WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO AND IT HAS BEEN THE PRIMARY REASON THAT PEOPLE HAVE MOVED TO THIS COMMUNITY OVER THE YEARS AND THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHEN AUBURN STARTED GROWING IT'S PRIMARILY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM AND I BELIEVE
THE SUPPORT HAS BEEN MEANINGFUL. >> ALL RIGHT, DO WE NEED TO DO
THIS BY VOICE VOTE OR ROLL CALL. >> ROLL CALL BECAUSE IT IS AN
ORDINANCE, PLEASE. >> LINDSAY.
[9.b.1. Gaither Annexation. Annexation of approximately 3.39 acres. 744 Lee Road 008 (Cotton Valley Lane).]
>> ITEM 9B ONE IS REQUEST TO ANNEX APPROXIMATELY 3.39 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 744 LEE ROAD EIGHT ALSO KNOWN AS COTTON VALLEY LANE. THIS IS KNOWN AS THE GAITHER ANNEXATION THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT SEPTEMBER TENTH MEETING UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.
>> FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE ASKING FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
ANYONE ON COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE VOTE ON
THIS PLEASE? >> I WOULD ABSTAIN FROM VOTING.
>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY WE'LL MOVE AHEAD. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY, LINDSEY WITH ROLL CALL.
[9.b.2. Youth for Christ Annexation. Annexation of approximately 0.17 acres. Property located at 1400 North College Street.]
>> YES, MA'AM,. >> YES, MA'AM,.
>> ITEM NINE B2 IS A REQUEST TO ANNEX APPROXIMATELY 0.17 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1400 NORTH COLLEGE STREET THIS IS KNOWN AS THE YOUTH FOR ANNEXATION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AT ITS AUGUST 13TH MEETING UNANIMOUS
CONSENT IS NECESSARY. >> I'LL INTRODUCE THE ORDI
ORDINANCES. >> MOTION SECONDED DOES ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS FOR ALL
TO SEE. >> NONE, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> THIS PORTION OF THIS ALSO COINCIDES WITH THIS NEXT ITEM WITH REZONING REQUEST THIS .7 ACRES.
IS THIS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY HOUSES THE
BILLBOARD. >> THAT'S CORRECT IT WENT UP AT A TIME WHEN THE BILLBOARD WENT UP WE COULD DO A LOT OF CHECKING WITH THE PLANNING STAFF AND IT IS I THINK KIND OF THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT, JUSTICE IS OVER TIME THE ZONINGS AND ANNEXATIONS AND THINGS HAPPEN. THERE'S A LITTLE TINY PIECE THERE WAS NEVER IN, FOR CLOTHES AND WE LOOK AT SURVEY DATA ON THE GROUND AND KIND OF LEFT THIS AS A LITTLE ISLANDISH PIECE.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO IT WAS UNKNOWN TO US AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS. AND THEREFORE, WE CANNOT REGULATE THE BILLBOARD, BUT WE CAN IF YOU ANNEX IT.
THEN WE DON'T REGULATE BILLBOARDS BY THE WAY, IT'S
>> YES. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS? >> WITH THAT REGULATION INCLUDE
POTENTIALLY REMOVING IT? >> IT BECOMES A LEGAL NONCONFORMING. MR. COTTON CAN EXPLAIN.
>> SO NORMALLY THE SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHEN IT BECOMES ILLEGAL NONCONFORMING AND THE LEASES CANNOT BE EXTENDED PRETTY MUCH. THAT'S HOW WE HAVE HANDLED THEM IN OTHER PLACES. THAT'S HOW WE ANNEX PROPERTY DOWN ON SOUTH COLLEGE, THINGS LIKE THAT IT BECOMES ILLEGAL NONCONFORMING AND THE LEASE DOES NOT GET RENEWED.
>> IF IT'S SEVERELY DAMAGED, IT CANNOT BE REPLACED, THERE'S A NUMBER OF NUANCES IN THE NONCONFORMING SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESS IT.
SO SAY THE FRAME CAME DOWN OR SOMEBODY WANTED TO LEASE
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SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE FRAME COULD NOT COME BACK UP, IT WOULD HAVETO BE REMOVED. >> I DON'T LOVE THE DETAILS OF THE LEASE, BUT THERE'S A CURRENT LEASE BY THE BILLBOARD COMPANY OR WHATEVER TO PLACE IT THERE AND THAT HAS A. OF PERFORMANCE
OR IT RUNS OUT AT SOME POINT. >> PRETTY MUCH, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE EXTENDED SO I GUESS TO PROVIDE A BIT MORE DETAILS ON NONCONFORMANCE STUFF THAT HAS TO DO WITH MAJOR ALTERATIONS ANYTHING BEYOND MINOR ALTERATIONS THERE ISN'T ANY SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO IT TO COMPROMISE THE SIGN TO BE FIXED
AND BE RESURRECTED AGAIN. >> THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> ROLL CALL?
>> YES, MA'AM,. >> YES, MA'AM,.
[9.c. Rezoning. Youth for Christ. Approximately 1.35 acres from Rural (R) and Development District Housing (DDH) to Comprehensive Development District (CDD). Property located at 1400 North College Street. Unanimous consent necessary. Planning Commission recommendation. Public hearing required.]
>> YES, MA'AM,. >> YES, MA'AM,.
>> YES. >> ITEM 9C IS A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.35 ACRES PROPERTY RURAL FROM 0.17 ACRES YOU JUST ANNEXED AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING WHICH IS THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1400 NORTH COLLEGE STREET THIS IS KNOWN AS THE YOUTH FOR REZONING.
PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT ITS AUGUST 13TH MEETING.
THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY IN A PUBLIC HEARING IS
REQUIRED. >> WITH THE ORDINANCE I WANT TO
ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT. >> SECOND.
>> SECOND DOES ANYONE HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE VOTE THIS EVENING? SEEING AND HEARING NONE, WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL HAVE 5 MINUTES TO COME AND SPEAK TO COUNCIL SEEING NO ONE OPPOSED -- I. WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO WHY THIS IS A REQUEST WHAT THE PLANS MAY BE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
>> SO WHEN I REACHED OUT I'M IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND THEY THOUGHT ALL THEIR PROSPECTIVE BUYERS WOULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL INTEREST.
THAT WAS WHEN THEY DID RESEARCH ON THE PROPERTY ITEMS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WERE ZONED, RD WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AN EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL ZONE INDUSTRY AND REALLY PRECLUDED ANY OF THE POTENTIAL BUYERS OF THE PROPERTY SO THEY ARE TRYING TO EXPAND THE HORIZON OF PEOPLE THEY COULD SELL TO BY REZONING THIS.
>> DO WE TYPICALLY REZONE THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RESELL WITHOUT HAVING AN IDEA OF WHAT MAY COME THERE.
>> WE DO NOT. THE REASON FOR THAT WITH STAFF THAT IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS SIGNIFICANTLY ENCUMBERED BY [INDISTINCT].
SO IF THEY WANT TO DO ANYTHING AS FAR AS TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING AND PUT IT BACK UP, IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT REST WITH CBD ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IN DIFFERENT PLACES WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE HERE THIS WOULD [INDISTINCT] FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT EXIST IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY WITH REZONING THE CCD WOULD NOT EXIST HERE BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS SO ENCUMBERED
BY FLOODPLAINS. >> BUT THERE ARE SOME USES THAT COULD GO THERE THAT IF IT WERE REZONED TO CBD, THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT -- REZONED TO CCD AND COULD BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF THAT CORNER OR OFF THAT CORNER.
>> I WOULD THINK TO WHAT WOULD BE BUILT ON AND WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED ON WHAT'S REALLY BUILDABLE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE AND THE AMOUNT OF FLOODPLAIN ON THE PROPERTY, WOULD REALLY BE A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO ALTER THE BUILDING OR IT WOULD JUST BE OFFICE SPACE. LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WOULD NOT BE BUILDING.
YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REALIZE IT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE
PROPERTY. >> COULD YOU PUT A [INDISTINCT]
THERE WITH ITS FOOTPRINT? >> YOU COULD NOT.
I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CALLS FROM FOLKS FROM ACROSS THE STREET ABOUT HAZARD AND I ASSURE THEM THE FOOTPRINT THERE THAT'S ACTUALLY BUILDABLE WOULD NOT ALLOW THE VAST MAJORITY OF USES IN CCD TO BE TO BE REALIZED IT WOULD NOT EVEN REALLY BE ABLE TO BE SUBDIVIDED TO THE DENSITY THAT CCD ALLOWS FOR IT TO BE
SUBDIVIDED. >> SO ONE OF THOSE SMALL LITTLE COFFEE KIOSKS THAT HAS THE STACKING WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING AND VERY SIGNIFICANT HIGH TRAFFIC AREA I THINK IS WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS GETTING AT.
ONE THEORETICALLY A BUILDING COULD FIT THERE.
>> A BUILDING COULD. LIKE I SAID, BE MORE OF A WALK UP KIND OF A PARK HERE EVEN TO THE SCALE THE DOWNTOWN FOOTPRINT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIT. IT IS THAT ENCUMBERED BY
THANK YOU. >> BUT IN THEORY, ANY USE THAT'S
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ALLOWED BY CDD THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS.>> THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT CRT OR THE OTHER MEETING WE WOULD SIT DOWN AND HAVE TO SATISFY THE VERY EXCRUCIATING TO
MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> BUT THIS COUNCIL WOULD NOT
HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER GOOD. >> WHAT -- ONCE IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BY CDD LIKE I SAID STAFF IT'S NOT VIABLE FROM A BUILDING STANDPOINT AND THAT'S REALLY THE NATURAL CONSTRAINTS
OF THE PROPERTY. >> IT COULD BE ADDED TO ANOTHER PARCEL NEXT TO IT, OR THAT COULD CREATE A USE THAT COULD GO TH
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEHIND THIS PROPERTY AND CDD CURRENTLY,
IS IT VACANT LAND? >> IT'S THE STORE EAST.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME PROPERTY ON THE CORNER THAT'S IN THE
COUNTY STUFF. >> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS. THERE IS A STREAM RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DRAINAGE PIPES IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PUT ANYTHING ON THIS.
>> BUT THERE'S A CHURCH THERE NOW THAT HAS BEEN OPERATING.
>> SO IT'S MORE OF A AS IT'S AN ARM OF A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION THAT HAVE MEETINGS THERE, BUT DUE TO INTERNAL CHANGES WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION THEY LARGELY DON'T USE IT ANYMORE AND THEY OPERATE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY ARE ALSO TRYING TO HAVE OTHER REASONS FOR SELLING AT, BUT IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN A PART OF THEIR OPERATIONS KIND OF ON A DAY-TO-DAY AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY'RE MOVING TO
SELL AT. >> IT COULD BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL JUST A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
>> NOT LIKELY, JUST NOT LIKELY. AND I THINK ALSO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN ALSO FROM THIS INTERSECTION OF A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT THIS IS AN ARTERIAL AND I GUESS THERE WOULD BE A LOT GOING ON WITH THAT IN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT TO ACCESS IT ALL THESE EXISTING THINGS.
LIKE I SAID ANY INTENSE USES ARE REALLY ROLLED OUT FROM THE PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD ALSO BEING ENCUMBERED BY A FLOODPLAIN AND ALSO NOT HAVING THE DEPTH TO REALLY MANEUVER AND MITIGATE THE FLOODPLAIN ON THE SITE. IT IS A LOT.
THIS ENTIRE STRETCH IT'S ALSO PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD WHICH IS KIND OF LARGELY REMAINED VACANT.
THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODWAY, FLOODPLAIN NOT EASILY TRAVERSABLE -- TRAVERSABLE, NOT EASILY DEVELOPABLE.
>> REALLY QUICKLY IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE THAT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, IT'S ABOUT 14,374 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY AND SO THAT'S NOT AN EXACT NUMBER. BUT IN THAT CASE, IS PARKING ALLOWED IN THE FLOODPLAIN? I'M TRYING TO GET AT THE CRUX OF THE COUNCIL'S QUESTIONS? I THINK JUSTICE ON THE CHALLENGES EVERY TIME THE COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION SOMEONE FIGURES OUT A WAY TO -- FIGURES OUT A WAY AROUND THAT ENDS UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THERE A WAY AROUND CAN PARKING GO ON THE FLOODPLAIN. CAN PARKING FIT A SMALL BUILDING ENVELOPE FOR A LIQUOR STORE OR HEMP STORE, WHATEVER IT IS, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
>> EVEN IN THE SIGHT LINE, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRESENT A PLAQUE TO US -- A PLAN TO US TO ACTUALLY OUTLINE WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN ARE TO MATCH UP WITH WHATEVER CONDITIONAL USE OR WHATEVER USE THAT THEY WANT IT TO DO TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT IN ASSOCIATED WITH ALSO TO THE POINT ABOUT PARKING IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT WOULD ALSO BE HEAVILY CONTESTED LIKE I SAID A LOT OF THIS ROOM THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING THE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH A LOT OF THE USES IN CDD REALLY PRECLUDE THIS.
A LOT OF THOSE THINGS FROM BEING BUILT.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE THEN, WHY WOULD THEY WANT -- IF IT'S THAT LIMITED, THEN WHY WOULD THEY WANT A CHANGE TO THE
ZONING? >> SO RIGHT NOW IT'S PERMITTED DD USE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND REBUILD IT LIKE I SAID THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL TO WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AND THAT MAKES SENSE ON PROPERTY LIKE THIS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST WOULD THE PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, COMMERCIAL IS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WOULD BE
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BUILDABLE. I GUESS I UNDERSTAND FROM THEIR LENS WHY THEY ARE PURSUING IT BUT I AM SAYING FROM MY LENS ON THE DEVELOPMENT STAFF SIDE, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REALIZE THAT IF THEY OPTED TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING OR MAKETHE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO IT. >> I JUST HAVE SOME CONSTERNATION RAINING OUR, LIKE WHY BROUGHT US ZONING DESIGNATION THAT ALLOWS THE MOST USE OF THIS WHEN WE HAVE NEAR VERY HIGH TRAFFIC INTERSECTION. WHEN WE HAVE ZERO IDEA OF WHAT ALLOWABLE USES COULD OCCUR HERE I'M TRYING TO GET OVER THAT.
I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY DOING THAT.
>> DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE?
>> I DO NOT. >> TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT IF WE TURNED IT DOWN THERE IS NO REASON THAT THIS COULDN'T BE
BROUGHT UP. >> THE REZONING REQUEST, THERE
IS HOW MUCH TIME? >> REZONING REQUESTS IT'S DEFINITELY A YEAR, BUT I GUESS WITH THIS AS FAR AS FUTURE LAND USE AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I THINK OUR POSITION IS REALLY ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, WE JUST DO NOT THINK A LARGER STRUCTURE WOULD REALLY BE ABLE TO BE REALIZED AND CONSTRUCTED WITH A LOT OF THE CURRENT THINGS ON SITE.
>> IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION, YOU COULD POSTPONE, WE COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. IT'S WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. YOU CAN ACT ON IT TONIGHT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER OR DO THAT IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED MORE
INFORMATION. >> COULD YOU REMIND ME LDD BECAUSE THERE IS LDD ACROSS COLLEGE STREET ON THE CORNER.
>> LGD ONLY ENJOYS COMMERCIAL USES WITH PDO AND ALSO HAS TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING CENTER DESIGNATION AND THIS DOES NOT HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO REALIZE THAT.
IF ANYTHING, THIS COULD BE A POSTED SNAP.
I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE TO REDO THE BUILDING BUT THEN WITH THAT ANY NON-CONFORMITIES NOT EVEN JUST FOR THE PLANNING STANDPOINT BUT FROM AN INSPECTION STANDPOINT IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO SATISFY. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF NUANCES TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD MAKE THE CHALLENGE FOR SOMEBODY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING REALLY KIND OF BEYOND OFFICE
SPACE HONESTLY. >> IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT THAT TYPE OF FUTURE USE IS NOT BROUGHT UP, SO YOU ARE NOT CLEAR ABOUT THEIR INTENTIONS AT ALL?
>> SO WE SPOKE WITH THEM FOR SEVERAL MONTHS THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS TO SELL IT LIKE THAT I THINK A LOT OF OUTFITS THAT WE WORK WITH FOR THE SOAP OPERA TRYING TO DO DEALS LIKE THIS THEY HAVE DESIGNATED REAL ESTATE PEOPLE THAT ARE USED TO WORKING WITH THIS HAVING THINGS LINED UP THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
THIS IS SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR AN ORGANIZATION WHO HAS BEEN TASKED WITH, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SELL THIS PROPERTY COULD YOU FACILITATE THAT? AND REAL ESTATE IS NOT WHAT HE DOES, KIND OF WHAT HE OPERATES IN.
THIS IS REALLY JUST SOMETHING HE HAS BEEN TASKED WITH.
SO FOR THIS, TO THAT POINT, THEY ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF JUST SELLING IT AND TRYING TO FIND A BUYER FOR IT.
PURSUING CDD WAS A RECOMMENDATION WHEN THEY WENT FORWARD WITH A COMMERCIAL BROKER REAL ESTATE PERSON WE HAVE EXCLUSIVE RESIDENTIAL ZONING. WE NEED COMMERCIAL ZONING.
ADDING THAT'S AS FAR AS THEY REALLY GOT.
>> THE CITY MANAGER OFFERED AN IDEA OF POSTPONEMENT IS THAT OF INTEREST TO EVERYONE DO WE GET A VOTE?
>> GO AHEAD AND VOTE. >> I PERSONALLY WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM IF THE APPLICANT WERE ABLE TO COME TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES ABOUT POTENTIAL USES, I WOULD GIVE THEM A SHOT SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN THEM TO POSTPONE IT IF ANYONE ELSE FROM THE
COUNCIL WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT.
>> TWO PEOPLE WHO WOULD ENTERTAIN A POSTPONEMENT.
>> KIND OF INTRIGUED BY NOW. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE NEED A MOTION. >> THAT'S THREE OF YOU.
WE NEED A MOTION. >> TO POSTPONE A DATE CERTAIN TO OCTOBER SIXTH FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
>> SECONDED. >> MOTION IS SECONDED POSTPONED TO OCTOBER SIXTH FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, PLEASE ALL IN FAVOR SAY I.
>> NAY. >> WAS THAT TWO AGAINST? OKAY. SO WE WILL HEAR THIS ON
[9.d. Moratorium on the conditional use approval of new lounges within the Urban Core, Urban Neighborhood-East, and Urban Neighborhood-West zoning districts. Unanimous consent necessary.]
OCTOBER THE 6TH. CORRECT?>> ALL RIGHT, ITEM 9D AUTHORIZES A MORATORIUM ON THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF NEW LOUNGES WITHIN THE URBAN CORE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WEST AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD EAST ZONING DISTRICT. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY.
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>> I WOULD INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS
>> MOTION TO SECOND. DOES ANYONE ON COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS THIS EVENING?
>> MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO A DATE CERTAIN OF OCTOBER 6TH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE TIME FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AFFECTED POSSIBLY IN THE URBAN CORE TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THEM, SO I AM PROPOSING A POSTPONEMENT TO A DATE CERTAIN OF OCTOBER 6TH.
>> I SECOND THAT. >> THE MOTION IS SECOND TO POSTPONE TO OCTOBER SIXTH ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THE MOTION FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
>> NO, YOU DID NOT DENY UNANIMOUS CONSENT SO HE'S MAKING A MOTION TO POSTPONE HE'S JUST EXPLAINING WHY.
IT'S THE SAME IDEA -- THE SAME IDEA.
IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. POSTPONE OCTOBER SIXTH.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? CAN WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, MEGAN? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE ANY
[10.a.1. Charred Oak Hemp. Retailer of consumable hemp products use (specialty retailer). Property located at 2900 East University Drive, Suites 120 and 125.]
OPPOSED? OKAY, AND THAT MOTION CARRIES AND WE WILL HEAR THIS AGAIN ON OCTOBER THE 6TH.ALL RIGHT, RESOLUTIONS? >> ITEM TEN A ONE IS REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR RETAILER OF CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT UNIVERSITY DRIVE SUITE 120 AND 125 IN COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OVERLAY. THE PROJECT IS KNOWN AS CHARRED OAK HEMP. THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT ITS SEPTEMBER TENTH MEETING. PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.
>> READY FOR APPROVAL. >> TO MOTION TO SECOND THIS TIME OUT OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
>> I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF. I JUST PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW LONG HAS THIS BUSINESS BEEN
OPERATION? >> WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
FOR CHARRED OAK ITSELF, OWNERSHIP HAS CHANGED HANDS FAIRLY RECENTLY TO MY KNOWLEDGE. JUSTICE, IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> IT HAS BEEN OCCUPYING THAT SPACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
>> FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE OWNERSHIP HAS CHANGED OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE THE STATE LAW CHANGED TO HAS ONLY BEEN MADE RECENTLY SINCE THE OWNERSHIP CHANGE.
>> AND TO DATE THAT BUSINESS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AS THE LIQUOR
STORE. >> IT'S KIND OF A BOUTIQUE STYLE
LIQUOR STORE. >> IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR WHILE.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> THIS IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE AS MANY ISSUES ARE.
IT MAY REQUIRE LEGAL OPINION HERE.
BUT THESE PRODUCTS CONTAIN WHAT IS CALLED THC.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND THIS IS THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT FOUND IN MARIJUANA EXCEPT THIS IS NOT MARIJUANA.
SO WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC PROPERTIES AND THE MAKEUP OF THESE THINGS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY
CONTAIN THC. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> I HATE TO EVEN USE THIS EXAMPLE, BUT A GUY NAMED ROD BRAMLETT AND HIS WIFE PAULA WERE KILLED AROUND THE CORNER ON THE PARKWAY BY SOMEONE WHO HAD THC IN HIS SYSTEM AND TAKE 2019 AND THAT DRIVER HAD VERY HIGH LIMITS OR LEVELS OF THC TO ME IT DOESN'T MATTER. THIS IS A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION I CERTAINLY WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS OR THE FOLLOWING ITEM.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I. >> I.
>> MAYOR ANDERS: ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY.
[10.a.2. Dixie Electric Cooperative. Offices and commercial support uses (warehouse and maintenance shop, contractor storage yard, fuel center). Property located at 2901 Beehive Road. ]
ITEM 1082 IS FOR OFFICES AND COMMERCIAL SUPPORT USES (WAREHOUSE AND MAINTENANCE SHOP, CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, FUEL CENTER). PROPERTY LOCATED AT 290 BEEHIVE ROAD.
PROJECT IS KNOWN AS DIXIE ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.
IT WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER TENTH MEETING.
PUBLIC APPROVAL REQUIRED. >> MOTION TO SECOND.
OUT OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOU -- GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 5 MINUTES TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL.
GOOD EVENING. LEE THORPE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT. I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND SAY WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND LET THEM KNOW WE ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO ISSUES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS THERE ANYTHING?
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>> PERFECT. >> WHAT IS THE LIGHTING GOING TO BE ON THIS? THE YARD?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DESIGN ON THE LIGHTING, BUT I CAN SAY THERE WILL BE PARKING LIGHTS AROUND IN THE EVENT THAT THEY NEED ACCESS TO THE FACILITY.
>> WHEN YOU WORK ON THOSE AND AWAY FROM THE SUBDIVISION.
>> SIR, AND COUNCILMAN DAWSON THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THEY NOT SHED LIGHT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES SO I THINK MOST OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE ADDRESSED.
>> GOOD POINT. >> WHAT ABOUT FENCING?
>> IT WILL BE SECURE AND BEHIND A FENCE.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING KIND OF A BUFFERING ON THAT SO THE INTENT IS I BELIEVE IN THE DRAWING RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A BUFFER THAT'S BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TENDING TO BE VEGETATIVE IN SOME WAY THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TREES ON THAT RIGHT NOW USED TO BE A FARMING OPERATION SO ANYTHING TO DO WOULD BE PLANTED I BELIEVE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE HAD IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMMENTS FROM PLANNING ABOUT A PARTICULAR BARRIER THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE WOULD BE A SOLID SCREEN.
>> THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD ROW OF TREES BACK THERE NOW.
>> WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP AS MANY OF THOSE AS WE COULD WITH A 15-ACRE PROPERTY. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE'LL TRY AND MAINTAIN THAT BUFFER AS BEST WE CAN.
>> ARE THERE RULES IN THE INDUSTRIAL FOR HOURS OF OPERATION FOR LARGE EQUIPMENT AND TRUCKS.
>> TYPICALLY NOT, SIMILAR TO THE ALABAMA POWER OPERATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT TYPICALLY OPERATING LATE AT NIGHT BUT IN A STORM EVENT OR A MAJOR OUTAGE TO DISPATCH CREWS FROM THIS LOCATION TO GET THEIR POWER BACK ON.
I DON'T KNOW BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES FROM DIXIE IN THE ROOM. DIXIE LIFE COOPERATIVE IS PART OF THE POWER SOUTH NETWORK AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THEY SERVE A GOOD BIT OF THIS SIDE OF THE CITY AND BELOW COX ROAD AND SO ON SO THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE SERVED BY IT.
BY THE GROWTH IN AUBURN THERE, THEY ARE CHOOSING NOW TO PUT A MAINTENANCE FACILITY HERE TO BE SURE THEY CAN RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO THE NEEDS OF THEIR CUSTOMERS IN THE AREA.
BUT THEY COULD CERTAINLY SPEAK TO HOW OFTEN THAT IS OF BENEFIT I THINK IT'S MOSTLY RANDOM NOT A NORMAL 24-HOUR CYCLE.
>> THAT'S CORRECT, I COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
IT IS KIND OF -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY AN EMERGENCY SCENARIO IN ANY EVENT OR A STORM EVENT LINES GO DOWN, VERY SIMILAR TO THE [INDISTINCT], THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.
>> AND THE FUEL TANKS WOULD BE BURIED?
>> YES, THERE ARE OTHER OPERATIONS I BELIEVE THE MONTGOMERY UNION SPRINGS I THINK IT'S A SINGLE 10,000-GALLON, MAYBE IT'S A 7000-GALLON WATER TANK IT'S UNDERGROUND.
IT'S ONE DOUBLE SIDED, IT'S ONLY USED FOR THEM, SO YES, IT WOULD BE UNDERGROUND THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN.
>> IT'LL BE HIT WITH A STORM THERE COULD BE DAMAGE ON BOTH
SIDES. >> I BELIEVE THIS IS IN THE
SERVICE AREA. >> I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE REAL
CONVENIENT FOR THEM. >> WERE YOU REQUIRED TO GET AN
[INDISTINCT] CERTIFICATE? >> THEY WILL HAVE ONE ONCE THE FACILITIES AND OPERATION I BELIEVE THEY HAVE [INDISTINCT] CERTIFICATION ACROSS THE BOARD WITH THEIR COMPANY AS FAR AS THE SPECIFICS ON THEIR PERMITTING THAT THEY OPERATE UNDER CURRENTLY IN TOWN I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON THAT BUT I DO KNOW
THAT THEY ARE PERMITTED. >> YOU ARE REFERRING
SPECIFICALLY TO THE FUELING. >> THEY WOULD NEED NEW PERMITS ON THE INSTALL FOR THAT, YES, SIR,.
>> WE HAVE HAD SOME CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT RUNOFF AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS THE PERMIT SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT THE THING IN THE GROUND WITHOUT IT.
>> THIS FUEL TANK THAT YOU REFER TO IS THAT GOING TO BE LOCATED
WHERE IT SAYS FUEL STATION? >> IT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA BUT IT WOULD BE UNDERGROUND THAT'S THE CURRENT.
>> AND THEN ON THE PROPERTY, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A SEPARATE LINE ROAD, I THINK THAT'S A ROAD.
>> YES, SIR, IT'S A DRIVEWAY. THIS IS THE PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT'S KIND OF LONG TERM BUILD OUT WITH NEEDS INCREASED.
JUST DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS YOU WOULD HAVE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE FOR TRUCK CIRCULATION DELIVERIES SOMETIMES THE MASSIVE
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TRANSFORMERS THEY NEED TO RESTORE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT'S JUST THINGS ON THE SIDE. NOTHING PUBLIC THINGS LIKE THAT.>> TWO CURB CUTS ON BILTMORE AND TWO CURB CUTS ON BEEHIVE?
>> YES, SIR, BUT I BELIEVE WITH THE MOST RECENT COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING AND PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WILL BE LIMITED TO I BELIEVE ONE ACCESS ON BEEHIVES WITH THE PRIMARIES
BEING OFF OF THE BILLBOARD. >> AND ARE EITHER OF THESE ROADS
>> SO IT'S OKAY TO PUT A CURB CUT ON AN ARTERIAL?
>> ONE EXISTS THERE ALREADY. >> HOLD ON.
>> IF YOU COULD MEET THE SPACE REQUIREMENT.
>> AND THE INTENT WOULD BE TO OBVIOUSLY MEET THE SPACING REQUIREMENT FROM THE INTERSECTION, BUT WE WOULD ALSO DO OUR BEST TO ALIGN THAT WITH THE ROAD ACROSS THE STREET.
>> SO THE CURB CUT THEN WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A PARKING AREA DOWN HERE, THAT'S GOING TO BE ELIMINATED?
>> UP ON THE CORNER RIGHT THERE BY THE INTERSECTION, YES,.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU TO YOU ALL. >> MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION WE ALL RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE WE ASK THAT IT BE PUT INTO THE RECORD WE NEED TO READ IT ALOUD.
>> JUST BEING SUBMITTED IN THE FILE THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S FINE, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.
>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
>> ANYONE ELSE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ON THIS? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL COMMENTS? OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY
[10.a.3. Old Stage Road MUD. Performance residential use (24-unit multiple-unit development). Property located at 621 Old Stage Road.]
>> ANY OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION CARRIES.
>> ITEM TEN A3 IS REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF A PERFORMANCE RESIDENTIAL USE OF 24 UNIT MULTIPLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO BE LOCATED AT 621 STAGE ROAD AND THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THIS PROJECT IS KNOWN AS OLD STAGE ROAD MED. THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT THE SEPTEMBER TENTH MEETING. APPROVAL IS REQUIRED.
>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.
>> AND THE MOTION IS SECOND. THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS WOULD -- IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE
DAIS? >> WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE?
>> THIS IS TAKING I THINK, THERE'S AN EXISTING BUSINESS PARK ON OLD STAGE ROAD? AND THIS IS REPLACING THAT WITH SOME HOUSING, STUDENT HOUSING SIMILAR TO WHAT ELSE CAN BE FOUND LIKE HARPER STREET AND A DDU?
LIKE A BUNCH OF THEM. >> IT CANNOT BE AN ADU BY DEFINITION IN THE MOMENT AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR CAN ADDRESS
THAT. >> THAT IS CORRECT AND SO WHAT IS BEING CONSIDERED IS A MULTIUNIT DEVELOPMENT WHICH ALLOWS MULTIPLE STRUCTURES ON ONE LIGHT, BUT CDD EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS PRIVATE DORMITORIES SO PRIVATE DORMITORIES ARE DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE WHICH WILL BE HEAVILY CONTESTED IN DR..
THAT IS SOMETHING THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF.
WE ARE HAVING AN ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE CONFIGURATION AND VETERANS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, WHAT THE FLOOR PLANS NEED TO LOOK AT -- LOOK LIKE, LAYOUT, STRUCTURE, HOW THEY WOULD RUN THE OPERATION. ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD BE CONTESTED IN DRT TO BE VERIFIED FOR THIS TO COMPLY TO MEET THE DEFINITION OF A MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND NOT A PRIVATE
>> NO. AND I GUESS WHAT THEY DID SUBMIT DID LOOK LIKE I GUESS COMING FROM A RENDERING STANDPOINT, IT LOOKED LIKE HOUSES BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE GOT MULTIPLE AUDS AROUND TOWN THAT HAVE VARIATION OF UNITS AND HOUSING TYPES KIND OF UP ON NORTH DEAN WAS ONE OF THE MOST RECENT ONES, CREEKSIDE STUFF WHERE THERE WOULD BE OFFERINGS WHERE THEY DO LOOK LIKE HOUSES BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WILL ALL BE ON ONE LOT.
MULTIPLE STRUCTURES ON ONE LOT SO 24 UNIT AUD.
>> DOES STAFF HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING REQUIRED IS 132 SPACES. DOES ANY STAFF HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADDED TRAFFIC THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BRING TO
THAT WAS ONE OF OUR COMMENTS. SO WE WANTED TO PROJECT TO SEE WHAT THE BACKGROUND LEVEL GROWTH WOULD BE ON THAT CORRIDOR.
BASICALLY, EAST OF VILLAGE DRIVE 725 VEHICLES PER DAY AVERAGE
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DAILY TRAFFIC. IN THE PAST THAT WAS 1500, SO IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL TODAY, BUT THOSE NUMBERS IT'S NOT ACTING AS A LOCAL SO WE REQUEST THE DEVELOPER TO TURN IN AN INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC STUDY TO VERIFY WHAT KIND OF COUNTS AND EXPERIENCE FROM THAT AREA JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE KINDS OF HOUSING UNITS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS.>> TWO THINGS AGAIN. WHERE OLD STAGE ROAD COMES OUT ONTO OPELIKA ROAD WITH A NARROW CROSSING RIGHT THERE AND THEN YOU'VE ALSO GOT AN APPROVED A DESIGN CONTRACT FOR ALL OF DEAN ROAD AT OPELIKA ROAD THAT STRETCHES DOWN TO GLENN AVENUE SO WE ARE ALSO DEALING WITH OLD STAGE ROAD AND STAGE ROAD ITSELF LIKE THE SEASON OUTCOME OF THAT STUDY PEOPLE COULD TURN LEFT ONTO THOSE STREETS BUT WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT OUT OF THOSE STREETS OR GO STRAIGHT ACROSS BECAUSE OF VERY HIGH SPEED COLLISIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT THAT
VICINITY IS THAT CORRECT. >> THAT WOULD BE BUILT INTO THE STUDY IF THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
>> WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR IN THAT STUDY WHEN WE RECEIVE IT?
>> I WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE TOTAL DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT WOULD BE POST DEVELOPMENT IF THERE ARE ANY RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE DEVELOPER TO DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR SITUATED ALONG THAT RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE FEEL ARE NECESSARY AND MEET THE CLASSIFICATION OF ROADWAY.
GET THAT ROADWAY HAS NOT REDEVELOPED AND BEEN RECLASSIFIED IN ANY SHORT TERM OR INTERMEDIATE TERM BUT AS THE CITY MANAGER ALLUDED TO WE'RE AT 30% DESIGN ON NORTH DEAN AND WHAT SHE HAS PROPOSED AND SENT OVER IS BASICALLY ELIMINATING OUT IS LEFT OUT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A HIGHER THAN NORMAL ACCENT BACKGROUND AT CURRENT RATES THERE.
THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN AND WE WANT TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE STUDY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
>> DOES THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THE SIZE, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT
WE ARE LOOKING AT ON DEAN. >> POTENTIALLY, YES, MA'AM,.
>> WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE STATE SAYS BECAUSE THE ADJOINING DEVELOPER HAS ADDED A LOT OF UNITS IN THAT AREA THAT ARE EGRESSING AND INGRESSING THIS WAY THAT IS SUMMERHILL, CORRECT THAT I'M THINKING OF FOR SUMMERHILL.
AND SUMMERHILL HAS SEEN A GOOD UPTICK IN TRAFFIC AND THAT'S WHERE THE CLEVELAND PIERSON OFFICE ALSO COMES OUT ON GLENN AVENUE. WE SEE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL AND ALL THOSE OTHER SIDE STREETS COOK TO BARTLETT AND ET CETERA IN THAT AREA, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT BECAUSE PATTERNS HAVE CHANGED BY THE DENSITY CHANGES
IN THE AREA. >> THIS USED TO BE MAINLY AN OFFICE PARK, A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PARK.
INFORMATION IS SHOWN 120 BEDS WOULD BE BUILT HERE DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ON AN AVERAGE DAY WOULD WORK THERE IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY DATA PROVIDED FOR THAT.
>> A COUPLE OF BUSINESS OWNERS DID COME OUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO SPEAK, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
>> WE ARE SURE THE TRAFFIC STUDY COME BACK CERTAIN NUMBERS WOULD REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC.
>> YES, SIR,. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN AWARE OF FROM DAY ONE IN THE INITIAL PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS, CORRECT?
>> YES, MA'AM,. >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
>> LOOKING AT THE ASSESSMENT HERE IT SAYS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MIXED USE TWO AND IT SAYS THAT THAT WOULD FOCUS ON RETAIL AND ADAPTIVE USE OF EXISTING STRUCTURES, RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PERMITTED IN INTEGRATION WITH RETAIL USES ALL AT A LOWER INTENSITY.
I DON'T SEE ANY REUSE OR RETAIL EITHER ONE IT'S CONTRADICTORY TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WHAT IS GOING ON THERE?
>> A GREAT QUESTION. SO MIXED USE TOO AND THE FUTURE LAND USE SO MIXED USE DOESN'T ALL HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED IN ONE PROJECT THAT COULD BE MIXED VERTICALLY AND HORIZONTALLY A LOT OF THE RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T START TO BE UP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE SUMMERHILL THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST INTRODUCTION ON THE RESIDENTIAL. I GUESS THERE IS THE EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THIS PROJECT DOES CONFORM WITH THE MIXED USE INTENT ACROSS ALL THE ENTIRE AREA REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT AREA NOT NECESSARILY JUST THAT PARCEL THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS VERY SENSITIVE TO. IF WE WERE TO GET MULTIPLE ONES COMING TO THAT THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE PUSH FORWARD TO CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION THAT WOULD HAVE A MIXED USE
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COMPONENT BUT THIS ONE WOULD BE AN EXCLUSIVELY RESIDENTIAL ONE LIKE THE ECOSYSTEM OF THE AREA ON OLD STAGE OVER THERE DOESCOMPLY. >> I DON'T SEE HOW IF WE LOOK BEYOND WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, AND THE THING WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LIMITED TO IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND THERE IS CERTAINLY NO RETAIL OR OBJECTIVE USE INCLUDED IN WHAT WE ARE BEING PRESENTED.
>> I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, RETAIL ON THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF OLD STAGE ROAD SEEMS PRETTY AWKWARD TO ME FOR A PLACE TO PUT A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME OFFICES OVER THERE AUBURN ELECTRIC IS OVER THERE, THERE'S A
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY -- >> SO, IT'S A HODGEPODGE MIX OF USES BACK THERE IT'S REALLY DIVERSE FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT AND BIRD CDE, CRDD. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BACK THERE. EVERYTHING FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THERE'S A GYM OVER THERE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BUT I THINK JUST RETAIL THAT FAR INLAND NOT REALLY BEING THERE IN THE INTERSECTION THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH IT BUT I THINK IF IT WERE CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OR ENJOYED A CORNER LOT, THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE A LOT STRONGER POSITION ON KIND OF PUSHING FOR A MIXED USE COMPONENT THERE.
BUT I THINK THIS FAR INLAND I THINK A MIXED USE ACROSS THE BROADER ECOSYSTEM IS FINE FOR STAFF.
>> IT WAS REZONED IN THOSE SENIOR PACKETS IN 2019 AS AN OUTCOME OF THE HARPER AVENUE FOCUSED STUDY AND CDD TO A POINT THAT WE HAVE MUCH LATER ON IN THE AGENDA ABOUT THE REWRITE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SOME OF THESE THINGS WOULD CHANGE OVER TIME. TO COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD'S POINT PLANNING IS OFTEN AHEAD OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
PART OF THIS ALIGNMENT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE SHOULD GET A LOT OF THAT TRIGGERED UP HERE TO SEE MORE ZONING DISTRICTS AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE CAUGHT IN THAT AREA BETWEEN THE LAND USE PLAN AND A VERY BROAD ZONE DISTRICT.
>> WHERE I GET LITTLE COMFORT FROM THE ISSUE THAT COUNCILMAN GRISWOLD BRINGS UP IS IN THE COMMENTARY THERE WHICH SPEAKS THERE'S A SENTENCE THERE WHICH SAYS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT LOCATED ON A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR THEREFORE, THE IMPORTANCE OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BOTH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL IS MORE SUBDUED AND THAT FOR ME SPEAKS TO ITS LOCATION RELATIVE TO OPELIKA ROAD FOR SURE.
>> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I? ANY OPPOSED? -- PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?
>> FOR AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE WE COULD RAISE HANDS OR DO WHATEVER
YOU WISH. >> WE WILL DO AN INDIVIDUAL
>> YES, MA'AM,. >> NO, MA'AM,.
[10.a.4. Tiger Spirits Hemp – South College. Retailer of consumable hemp products use (specialty retailer). Property located at 2328 South College Street.]
>> YES. >> OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES.
ITEM 10A FOR IS REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL USE FOR A RETAILER OF CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS LOCATED AT 2328 SOUTH COLLEGE DISTRICT.
THIS PROJECT IS KNOWN AS TIGER SPIRITS HEMP.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL REQUEST AT SEPTEMBER TENTH MEETING, PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED.
>> MOTION IS SECONDED? OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES TO SPEAK SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL?
>> I WANT TO CORRECT IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NOT SOUTH COLLEGE CORRIDOR DOESN'T MATTER.
JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THE DISTRICT.
>> I THINK THIS USE WORKS PARTICULARLY IN THIS LOCATION.
I AM SENSITIVE TO THE FEELINGS OF COUNCILMAN MOREMAN FEELINGS REGARDING CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS HOWEVER THE STATE OF HEMP HAS WEIGHED IN ON WHAT IS TOLERABLE AS A CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCT VIS A VIS ITS THC CONTENT.
I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW I KNOW OUR SISTER CITY HAS RUN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH PEOPLE APPEARING TO NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE GO ABOUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT IF THIS SHOULD PASS, WHERE IS THE OVERSIGHT AND PERHAPS ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT TO PRODUCTS CONTAINED IN SUCH A BUILDING.
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>> VERY QUICKLY BEFORE I HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY WEIGH IN, I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT OUR BUSINESS LICENSE IS SET UP VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR SISTER CITY'S BUSINESS LICENSES.
COUNCIL DID NOT GIVE ITSELF THE OPPORTUNITY TO PULL BUSINESS LICENSES FOR CERTAIN REASONS, OTHER THAN WHAT IS OUTLINED IN STATE LAWS. THAT IS ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE THAT MIGHT BE INVOKED BY ANOTHER CITY IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO ENFORCE [INDISTINCT] WITH THE ABC BOARD.
>> THE STATE CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCT STATUTE PASSED THE ABC BOARD WITH EXCLUSIVE REGULATORY CONTROL OVER THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE SOLD WITH THE LABELING OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE PRODUCTS THE LICENSING THAT HAS TO BE CARRIED TO SELL THOSE PRODUCTS UNDER THE ABC BOARD'S REGULATIONS SO ABC IS IN CHARGE OF THAT REGULATION, THIS COUNCIL DID PASS AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING ITS OWN REGULATIONS REGARDING CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCT LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. THERE IS A LIMITED PROVISION WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS COUNCIL TO REMOVE A BUSINESS LICENSE IF THE OPERATORS OF A CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS LOCATION ARE ENGAGED IN OTHER NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. BUT THAT IS VERY LIMITED, IT DOES NOT EXPAND TO THE ACTUAL PRODUCTS THAT ARE SOLD, THE LABELING OF THEM, THE THC CONTENTS OF THEM.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I SHARE THE CONCERNS OF COUNCILOR MOREMAN, BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN JUSTIFY CHERRY-PICKING WHICH ONES GET IT
AND WHICH ONES DON'T. >> I THINK IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE COMPONENT OF THIS, I THINK LOCATION PLAYS A STRONG PART HERE WE HAD AN APPLICANT EARLY ON IN THE ADOPTION OF THIS USE I THOUGHT COULD APPROPRIATELY PLACE OFF OF A MAIN CORRIDOR ON OPELIKA ROAD AND THE SOUTH COLLEGE CORRIDOR MIRRORS THAT TO SOME DEGREE IF NOT MORE OF THE URBAN, THE MORE COMMERCIAL, I SHOULD SAY COMPONENT OF SOUTH COLLEGE THERE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING THERE, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT NEIGHBORHOOD PRESENCE THERE, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND FOR THAT REASON I AM FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF
IT. >> IS THIS ONE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE SENSE OF ONLY PART OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE USING A CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCT, OR IS IT LIKE A PACKAGE STORE WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE IT MIXED, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
THAT. >> SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIED ON THE ABC -- A BC LICENSING, JUST GIVE
ME A SECOND. >> IT LOOKS ON THE DRAWING IT'S
ONLY A PORTION OF THE BUILDING. >> THE DRAWING IS JUST OUR SITE PLAN LOCATION, THAT'S JUST OUR SPACE THAT THEY ARE LEASING.
>> OKAY. >> THIS IS RIGHT NOW WEST VETERANS BOULEVARD AND SOUTH COLLEGE IN THE SAME CENTER WHERE [INDISTINCT] KITCHEN IS. THIS IS THE END CAP.
IT WAS BAR 51 YEARS AGO AND SOME OTHER THINGS, END CAP FOR THE CIGAR SHOP IT'S BEEN A FEW OTHER THINGS.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> HAVE WE APPROVED RETAIL OF
CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS. >> I'M SORRY THIS IS THE OPPOSITE IT'S THE WRONG SIDE IT'S THE PHILLY CONNECTION SPACE. FLIP IT AROUND.
I'M SORRY. >> HAVE WE APPROVED SALE OF CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS TO ANY OTHER APPLICANTS THAT ALSO SELL
LIQUOR. >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE AS OF Y
YET. >> [INDISTINCT] IS THE ONLY APPROVAL FOR CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS.
>> AND IT IS EXCLUSIVELY -- >> CONSUMABLE HEMP PRODUCTS.
>> ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE -- PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY. >> NAY.
>> LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. >> ADAMS.
>> YES, MA'AM,. >> NO, MA'AM,.
[10.b.1. Bison Trust. Vacation. Prosper at Plainsman Lake Sewer Easement. Property located at 1803 Kenai Pass. Public hearing required.]
>> NO. >> THAT'S FOR, FIVE, FAIL.
>> THAT ONE ALSO FAILS. ITEM 10B ONE SENSITIVE VACATION OF A PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT LOCATED AT 1803 [INDISTINCT] PASS AND ALSO AUTHORIZES A QUICK CLAIM AND PUBLIC HEARING IS -- PROSPER AT PLAINSMAN LAKE SEWER EASEMENT. PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1803 KENAI PASS. PUBLIC HEARING
>> IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL.
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>> HELLO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JASON AND I LIVE AT THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS ON KENAI PASS I ATTENDED A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BACK IN NOVEMBER WHEN THEY WERE APPROVING THE PLOT FOR EVERYTHING AND I HAD SOME CONCERNS THEN WITH EROSION AND RUNOFF BECAUSE THEY BUILT THEIR PROPERTY VERY HIGHLY AND THERE IS A SLOPE DOWN INTO MY PROPERTY. I HAD MET WITH [INDISTINCT] THAT HAD COME OUT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, KIND OF AGREED THAT I WAS ASKING FOR A RETAINING WALL OR SOMETHING SO IT DIDN'T [INDISTINCT] MY PROPERTY. AT THAT TIME HE AGREED.
THEY WERE GOING TO SEND SOMEONE OUT THEY WOULD CONTACT IN MARCH A FEW TIMES IN APRIL AS WELL BUT WE GOT NO RESPONSE BACK.
THOSE CONCERNS ARE STILL THERE. I'VE GOT PICTURES IF YOU WANT TO SEE EROSION, WATER RUNOFF, THERE IS A LARGE PINE TREE THAT IS RIGHT ON MY FENCE LINE INSIDE ON THEIR PROPERTY OR THE CITY'S PROPERTY I'M NOT SURE HOW THE EASEMENT WORKS THAT HAS BEEN ERODED OUT UNDERNEATH. THAT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH AS WELL AND THERE IS A LARGE STORM DRAIN PIPE THAT RUNS RIGHT SO THAT IS MY MAJOR CONCERN. IF YOU COULD DELAY THE VOTE TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND EVALUATE.
I UNDERSTAND HOUSTON, IT IS A PRICEY LOT BECAUSE IT IS ON THE LAKE. BUT IT DOES IMPACT MY PROPERTY
WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? OKAY.
>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> A MAKE A MOTION WE CONTINUE
>> THE MOTION SECOND. >> TO THE OCTOBER 6 MEETING?
>> YES. >> I NEED A ONE POINT OF VERIFICATION. ABSOLUTELY GOING FORWARD I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO A STORM DRAINAGE.
STANDARD TORY -- -- SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT ONLY TO BE CLEAR THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT THERE IS NO SEWER LINE IT'S FINE TO POSTPONE THE WAY TO BE CLEAR THIS IS NOT ABOUT STORM WATER IN TERMS OF THE EASEMENT ACTION. I CAN HAVE A PERSON EXPLAINED TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT TONIGHT OR WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE POSTPONEMENT INCLUDING SENDING SOMEONE.
>> I WAS LIKE TO PROPONENT - - PROPOSE IT - - POSTPONE IT AS WE
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. >> COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> IF YOU HAVE THE QUESTION JUST TO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MOMENT TO ASK FURTHER QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD THAT'S FINE. COUNCILMAN?
>> CERTAINLY THIS IS A PRIVATE SEWER EASEMENT.
ONE TIME THEY CONTEMPLATED AND IT IS NOT NEEDED NOW SO THE PROPERTY OWNER APPROACHED US ABOUT VACATING IT AND WE WERE FINE WITH THAT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING IT.
I AM AWARE THE CITIZEN HAS RAISE CONCERNS OF EROSION IN THE WATERSHED DIVISION DID RESPOND AND LOOK AT THE SITE WILL NOT FIND ANY ISSUES AT THE TIME. TO MY KNOWLEDGE TODAY THERE IS A GRASS WELL THERE STAFF HAS REPORTED THEY HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT AT THIS TIME FROM THE EROSION STANDPOINT BUT AS FOR -- -- AS FAR AS STORM WATER QUANTITY CAUSING DAMAGE
I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. >> IN THE INTERIM PERIOD WHERE DID YOU STILL CHOOSE TO POSTPONE?
>> YES. >> THE ENGINEER HASN'T NOW.
>> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A MOTION SET TO POSTPONE TO OCTOBER 6. OKAY WE WILL HEAR THIS AGAIN IN
[10.b.2. Owens Family Partnership, LLC. Resolution accepting statutory warranty deed and approving compensation of $980,000. North Donahue Drive Widening Project Ph 1.]
THREE WEEKS. >> STATUTORY WARRANTY DEED FROM THE OWENS FAMILY PARTNERSHIP LLC FOR PROPERTY LOCATED NORTH OF
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THE INTERSECTION AND INCLUDES COMPENSATION FOR THE USE AND ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY IN THE AMOUNT OF $980,000 FOR THE NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE WIDENING PROJECT PHASE I.>> I SECOND. >> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? ALL IN FAVOR?
[10.c.1. Foresite Group, LLC. Yarbrough Farms Boulevard Extension Project. $344,656.]
THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.>> ITEM 10 C1 A CONTRACT WITH FORESIGHT GROUP LLC FOR THE YARBOROUGH FARMS BOULEVARD EXTENSION PROJECT $344,656.
>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.
>> COMMENTS QUESTIONS? >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER STUDIES GOING ON BY THE DEVELOPER ANALOGOUS SIMILAR TO THIS?
>> CITY SCHOOLS ARE DOING THEIR PORTION.
WHEN WE DISCUSS THE FOUNDRY THERE IS A PORTION BUILT BY THE SCHOOLS. THERE IS A PORTION THAT THE FOUNDRY IS WORKING ON AND THIS IS A PORTION OR THE TWO SECTIONS MEET SO THIS IS THE ENGINEER IN COMMON WITH MR. JOLLY'S PROPERTY AND THERE'S A SEPARATE ENGINEER FOR THE SCHOOL PIECE ALSO THE NORTH DONAHUE DRIVE ENGINEER. THIS IS THE PIECE HAVE TO CROSS AND DO OTHER WORK AND WE PURCHASE CREDITS EARLIER DOING
THIS AS WELL. >> AND THIS IS FOR THE DESIGN OF
THE COST IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. >> BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IS
NOT A STUDY >> NO. THIS IS THE DESIGN.
>> THIS IS THE ONE CALLED NO MAN'S LAND BETWEEN BOTH AREAS.
>> INSTEAD OF THE BRIDGE WE ARE PROPOSING A 95-FOOT WIDE CUL CULVERT. IT'S A COST SAVINGS RATHER THAN A BRIDGE IN AND OF ITSELF. IT'S A COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY.
>> AS FAR AS A SCHEDULE OF DELIVERABLES IS THAT APPLICABLE
WITH THIS CONTRACT? >> WE DO INSIDE THE PROPOSAL.
BASED ON THE TIME REQUIREMENTS ON THE CONTRACT THEY DIDN'T PUT SPECIFIC DATES BUT I PREPARED THAT IN CASE WE WERE ASKED.
100 PERCENT BASED ON THE SCHEDULE WOULD BE DELIVERED MARCH 19, 2027 AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD COMMENCE JULY 13, 2027.
>> THANK YOU. >> THE MOTION CARRIES.
[10.c.2. White & Smith, LLC d/b/a White Smith Cousino. Zoning Ordinance Update. $349,154.]
>> 10 C TWO IS A CONTRACT WITH WHITE AND SMITH LLC DBA WHITE SMITH CASINO ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE WITH $349,154.
>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.
>> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL?
>> YES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER FOLKS BUT I HAVE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE FOR QUITE A WHILE THE CITIES IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WHEN I SAW THIS AGENDA ITEM I WAS ENCOURAGED UNTIL I STARTED LOOKING AT THE TIMEFRAME OCTOBER 2028 BEFORE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS USABLE. SO IT MAY JUST BE ME BUT I FEEL LIKE WE REALLY UNDERESTIMATED THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO DATE.
IN FACT I BELIEVE I THOUGHT THIS WAS MUCH MORE OF A NEAR-TERM TASK. I WAS BLOWN AWAY THAT OCTOBER OF 2028 FOR A ZONING UPDATE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A YEAR. I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED.
THAT'S ALL. WE HAVE TO DO IT AND IT HAS GOT TO BE DONE IN THIS IS THE ONLY WAY BUT I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE USED UP SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT WE ARE JUST NOW GETTING AROUND TO AWARDING A CONTRACT FOR THIS DURATION.
>> I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON A SEPARATE CONTRACT.
IT WAS SMALLER TO GET THE SCOOPING DONE ALSO WORKING ON MORATORIUM ITEMS AND HAVE ALL THE MODULES ALIGNED.
THEY WERE READY TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING A LOT OF THE MODULES CAN BE ADOPTED AS THEY COME ALONG AS LONG AS THEY DON'T INTERFERE WITH OTHER THINGS. SO YES, IT IS AN ARDUOUS PRO PROCESS. AT LEAST ONE PERSON SITTING AT THE DAIS WAS WORKING AT THE CITY AT THE TIME WE BUILT THE ZONING
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ORDINANCE. ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER IN THE AUDIENCE WHEN IT CAME ALONG TOOK MULTIPLE YEARS TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DEVELOP WHILE WE ARE REWRITING THE ORDINANCE. IT IS NEVER IDEAL BUT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH STAFF TIME WITH HER CURRENT PROJECT LOAD WITH DEVELOPMENT GOING ON FOR THE STAFF TO UNDERTAKE THIS ON HER OWN. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH CONSULTANTS. THEY NEED TO MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND WE HAVE TO SPEND ADEQUATE TIME FOR CITIZENSTO GET THIS RIGHT. >> IS THAT JUST THIS PARTICULAR ONE OR HAVE YOU REACH OUT TO OTHERS FOR A TIMELINE?
>> THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS EXPERIENCE OF MULTIPLE FIRMS THAT WE ARE MOST IN LINE WITH HOW THEY GO ABOUT THIS
METHODICALLY. >> I WOULD SAY AS A REMINDER WHEN IT CAME UP JUST HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FROM A MORATORIUM STANDPOINT THAT IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT 18 MONTHS.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT A PROPOSED TIMELINE FOR THE ENTIRE SCOPE TO MODIFY FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT I WOULD NOT THINK THEY WERE NOT TRUTHFUL I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A PACE.
WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT USING HODGEPODGE AMENDMENTS WHICH ARE ABOUT SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND HOW THOSE INTERACT WITH THE RESOURCE MANUAL. THERE IS A LOT THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AND REVIEWED. IS NOT THE THERE WILL NOT BE ORDINANCE THAT CAN HAPPEN AND IT CAN IT BE VERY NIMBLE BUT THIS IS A WHOLESALE LIKE A REWRITE OF THE ZONING AND CONTEMPLATING ALL OF IT. THE COMPLICATED PART IS HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE INJURY -- -- ENGINEERING MANUAL AND HOW IT IMPACTS THINGS ON THE GRO GROUND, SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THERE IS A LOT TO IT. AND ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS OR THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS IS IF YOU GO TO THE ORDINANCE AND WANT TO DO A SINGLE THING MAYBE THERE IS FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT CONTROLLING POINTS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE BUT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS RELEVANT SO THOSE NUANCES HAVE TO BE EXAMINED AND THOROUGHLY EXAMINED AND THEN CORRECTED AN UNDERSTANDING WHATEVER WE TAKE OUT OF THAT SPIDERWEB IS A RIPPLE IMPACT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD HAVE PROPOSED ANYTHING UNDER TWO YEARS ON THE SCOPE OF THIS SIZE WOULD BE TRUTHFUL OR ACCURATE.
>> ANOTHER KEY COMPONENT A NUMBER OF YOUR VAST FOR THINGS TO BE LOOKED AT IN LANDSCAPING IS ONE, SAVING CREEK CANOPY.
THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO TO TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK IN TERMS OF HOW THAT LOOKS, TOLERANCE AS A CITY COUNCILMEMBER WEIGHING THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY OWNERS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN. I CAN TELL YOU I WAS NOT HERE IN 1984. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND A LOT OF CONSTERNATION ABOUT CHANGING TO ZONING ORDINANCE AT THE TIME. SO IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET TO THE PROCESS THIS IS A HEAVILY INVOLVED PROCESS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS ET CETERA.
>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WELL THE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT IS LISTED IN HERE COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSES, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS SO THIS IS WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TO THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS BEFORE WE LOOK AT IT
IN TOTALITY. >> CORRECT AS THE DIRECTOR JUST STATED THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WILL NOT WAIT.
MORATORIUM WILL NOT WAIT THAT IS WHY IT IS AN EARLY MODULE.
BUT IT WILL MOVE THROUGH. >> I THINK THAT'S FAIR.
>> MODULE TWO IS A ZONING DISTRICT AND USE REGULATION WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE BULK OF THE WORK FRANKLY.
AND IT SAYS ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE THAT MAY OF 27 THAT MODULE NUMBER ONE WE WILL DOCTOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS AT THE CONCLUSION OF MODULE ONE. BUT MODULE FIVE IF IT IS THE BULK OF IT WE WILL INCREMENTALLY DO THAT OR SET THAT ASIDE UNTIL
THE FINAL REPORT IS READY? >> THAT IS CORRECT.
THE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH A MORATORIUM FOR THAT TIMELINE THAT IS HOW THAT IS GETTING APPROVED ALL AT ONCE.
EVERYTHING ELSE HOW YOU LOOK AT THE CHANGES YOU IDENTIFY THE CHANGES BUT THEN THERE ARE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE NUANCES AND LANDSCAPING WHAT THOSE ITEMS
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TOUCH THAT HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD BEFORE WE COME BEFORE YOU TO SAY WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS THIS IS A SETBACK.THERE ARE MANY THINGS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY CHECKED OF HOW THEY VIEW IT SO THAT'S WHY THOSE THINGS MAY BE CONCEPTUALIZED BUT THEY NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION STANDPOINT BEFORE THEY CAN BE ADOPTED AS A WHOLE THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LARGE GAP BETWEEN IDENTIFYING THE CONCEPT AND THEN THE VETTING OF THAT AND THEN ADOPTING IT.
>> OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONTRACT BECAUSE WE CANNOT DO IT IN-HOUSE. WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY I HAVE MISLED BY SAYING WE WERE ACTIVELY PURSUING ZONING CHANGES AND WE SHOULD SEE RESULTS SOON. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE OF YOU
I HAVE MISLED. >> IF THERE IS ONE THING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS FRUSTRATING TO USERS AND CITIZENS IS UNDERSTANDING HOW ZONING AND PLANNING WORKS.
ALMOST DAILY SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION HOW DOES THIS WORK? THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT WORKS IS CHALLENGING. WE HAVE HANDED TODAY'S EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ALL QUALIFIED OF THIS ZONING MANUAL AND SAID FIX IT.
IS JUST NOT EASILY DONE AND THEY HAVE TO REDO 50 YEARS OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN INCREMENTALLY BUILT UP.
IT'S IMPORTANT IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE THE DAY SHE WAS HIRED TALKING ABOUT GETTING TO WHERE THE COMMON PERSON CAN UNDERSTAND IF IT'S NEAR THEM OR IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THEMSELVES.
I KNOW THIS IS FRUSTRATING. I RESPECT WE WERE COMING FROM BUT WE HAVE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT. I TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT WE BROUGHT ON TO HELP US TO HELP US GET THERE.
IN THE MEANTIME WE WILL DEAL WITH PROJECTS THAT WANT TO GET DONE IN AUBURN AND THAT'S NOT STOPPING.
SO Y'ALL HAVE TO MULTITASK EVERY DAY TO GET THINGS DONE.
I REALLY HOPE AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE GREAT HOPE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THAT WILL BE WORKABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE DOING BUSINESS IN AUBURN SIMPLER AND GIVE US BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I APPRECIATE THAT. >> THERE IS A MODULE ONE BRIEFING IN NOVEMBER FOR THE COUNCIL.
>> WHAT IT SAYS AND HERE WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS THAT WITH THE NEW COUNSEL. ALL IN FAVOR?
[12. CITIZENS' OPEN FORUM.]
ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS OF BUSINESS WE HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.>> WE WILL OPEN CITIZENS OPEN FORM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL WHEN I ASK ALL OF US THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT BE RESPECTFUL SO WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING THEY ARE
SAYING. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF NAACP I RESIDE HERE IN AUBURN 2262 RIDGE LANE. GLASS CITY COUNCIL MEETING SEVERAL BY SHARED HOW DEEPLY CONCERNED AND DISAPPOINTED I WAS HOW WE HANDLED THE APPROVAL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CHÂTEAU AT THE APARTMENTS. I SAID THAT WHILE HE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF AUBURN BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THE PROGRESS SHOULD NOT COME AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS.
HOWEVER WANT TO COME HERE TODAY THAT SINCE THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BOTH COUNCILWOMEN TAYLOR AND WHITNEY AND AT THE END OF THE DAY ALTHOUGH WE MAY NOT ALL AGREE HOW WE GOT HERE AND HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN HANDLED WE DO AGREE ON ONE THING THAT THE RESIDENTS OF CHÂTEAU APARTMENTS NEED SOME ASSISTANCE WHETHER THAT IS FREE APPLICATION ASSISTANCE MOVING, SECURITY DEPOSIT, OR WHATEVER THEY MAY NEED, WE DO ALL AGREE SOME HELP IS NEEDED.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WE MUST REMEMBER THE RESIDENTS WERE FINE WHERE THEY WERE. THEY DID NOT ASK TO MOVE.
THEY DID NOT WANT TO MOVE. SO PROVIDING HELP TO OUR
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COMMUNITY OUR CITY INCLUDES EVERYONE NOT JUST THE CITY WHERE LONGTIME RESIDENTS ARE LEFT BEHIND IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS.I BELIEVE EVERYONE GETS IT ON NOW WE WILL WORK TOGETHER SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT COMMUNITY ERASURE.
IT IS REAL AND THEIR OTHER PROACTIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SUGGEST NO RESIDENTS ARE BEING DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES AND BEING FORCED TO RELOCATE IS NOT GOOD.
LONG-STANDING NEIGHBORHOODS BEING WE DEVELOPED WITHOUT PRESERVING THE EXISTING COMMUNITY IS NOT GOOD AND CULTURAL LANDMARKS WITH HISTORIC SITES NOT BEING DEMOLISHED IS NOT GOOD. WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYOR, YOU ARE THE DESIGNATE TO CONVEY A PUBLICLY ADVERTISED TOWN HALL MEETING THAT FOCUSES ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING AND SECURITY AND RESIDENT DISPLACEMENT. THIS WOULD ALLOW ALL RESIDENTS, HOUSING PROVIDERS, NONPROFIT AND DEVELOPERS IN THE CITY TO COME TOGETHER AND WORK COLLABORATIVELY. THIS WILL GIVE THE RESIDENTS A VOICE, CREATE TRANSPARENCY, AND ALLOW YOU TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM THE CITIZENS. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING. I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU HAVE
DONE TODAY AND CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.
MY DAUGHTER TOLD ME I DID NOT DRESS FOR THE OCCASION.
I CAME FROM SCHOOL AND PRACTICE.
MY NAME IS CHAD COMING HIM. 5106 OWENS ROAD I HAVE SPOKEN WITH A NUMBER OF YOU OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST WEEK AND A NUMBER OF FOLKS UP HERE I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD. I THINK YOU FOR THAT I WILL NOT REITERATE IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES.
BUT I DID SEND YOU ALL AN E-MAIL ABOUT THE MEADOWS FLAT BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT STILL AND I THINK A NUMBER OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
I AM HERE TONIGHT TO REITERATE LOOKING AT THAT AND MY ADVOCACY FOR IT WHERE THE PETITION CIRCULATING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE AT 274.
ONCE IT GETS TO 1 MILLION I WILL BRING IT HERE.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY TO YOU TONIGHT OF WHERE WE ARE AT AND HOW I FEEL MAY BE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS FEEL.
WHEN YOU DO START PUTTING TOGETHER STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS FOR THIS REZONING STUFF, SIGN ME UP.
I VOLUNTEER. BECAUSE HERE IS WHERE I AM.
I HAVE HAD WONDERFUL CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL AND A LOT OF YOU UP HERE AND MR. ADAMS I GAVE YOU THE WEEKEND OFF.
I KNOW YOUR PLANS THIS WEEKEND. BUT I AM CONCERNED THINKING ABOUT STEPS FORWARD WHEN THERE IS A MOMENT LIKE THIS IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF SENTIMENT AND A LOT OF PULSE. AND WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT A FEW DAYS BEFORE HAND TO GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO GATHER OUR THOUGHTS AND TO GO TO A MEETING. AND RIGHTFULLY WE ARE TOLD THE EXTENT AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMMISSION IS NOT ONE THAT TAKES A PULSE AND SENTIMENT INTO CONSIDERATION IN SOME RESPECTS.
AND I CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS.
AND AGAIN I WILL COMPLEMENT MR. COTTON AND MR. GRIFFIN.
THAT MAN WAS ON THE PHONE WITH ME THE OTHER DAY AFTER HOURS.
I FEEL LIKE TO BE THE DEPUTY CITY ENGINEER.
AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SAID.
MY CONCERN STILL TO DATE IS THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO SIMPLY BE DATA DRIVEN. THAT IS ALL WELL AND GOOD TO AN EXTENT. BUT WHAT MAKES COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES IS SENTIMENT AND DATA THAT COME TOGETHER. THAT'S IT MAKES US BELONG HERE AND THE LOVELIEST VILLAGE ON THE PLANE AND THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE SENTIMENT TO COME OUT WE WELL, I DON'T THINK AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IS THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS GO AND AS WE OVERHAUL THINGS, THINK ABOUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT IT'S ALL BAD BUT IT'S NOT EVERYTHING. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.
I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU IN HERE. I HAVE PREPARED STATEMENTS I
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WILL GO INTO IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG BUT I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT CHAD WAS SAYING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR CONCERNS FOR THE MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT AND PROPOSED MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT IT IS THE SAME ISSUE THAT HE POINTS OUT THAT SPEED WITH WHICH THINGS OPERATE IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE CITY WORKS AND THE LACK OF CITIZENS KNOWING WHAT IS HAPPENING BEFORE THE FACT RATHER THAN AFTER. I'M STILL CONFUSED A BIT IN TERMS OF THE PROCEDURE. I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.I'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THE LAST WEEK FROM TALKING TO BOB AND KELLY BOTH. BUT I AM STILL IN THE DARK ABOUT THE PROCEDURE OF WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
THEY KEEP GETTING YOU WILL NOT HAVE A SAY OF WHAT PROCEEDS IN THAT SPACE DESPITE PUBLIC SENTIMENT.
THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE HEARD ANOTHER IS TO CONTACT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IT ALL STARTS THERE.
SO MY PROPOSAL ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS THE IDEA OF APPOINTED OFFICIALS TO HAVE A LIAISON EVEN IF IT'S ONLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE A SMALL OFFICE FUNDED BY THE CITY NOT A VOLUNTEER SITUATION AND THAT THE PURPOSE IS NOT TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER IN THAT CAPACITY BUT TO WORK AS A LIAISON TO THE COMMUNITIES PERK I KNOW WE ARE GETTING TO THE POINT WITH THE GROWTH OF THE TOWN TO POSSIBLY REALIZE WE NEED MORE FORMAL ADVISORY OR COUNSEL AS A POINT PERSON IN A OFFICIAL CAPACITY TO HAVE A CITY OFFICIAL THEIR JOB AND MISSION IS TO COMMUNICATE WITH THESE PEOPLE.
IT WOULD TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF YOU TO THE EXTENT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH GETTING THE BRUNT OF OUR EMOTION. PLANNING COUNCIL MEETING WAS A SLAP IN THE FACE A LOT OF PEOPLE WE WERE EXPECTING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SAY AND FINDING THAT WE HAVE NONE REALLY ESSENTIALLY.
AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION HAPPENING WAS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAD NO CHANCE TO HAVE SECONDARY QUESTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY YES. I'M JUST HOPING, I WILL GET ALL OF THIS IN WRITING AND SEND AN E-MAIL WITH MY THOUGHTS TO EVERYONE AND TO BE ELECTED AND PAID STAFF AS WELL AS WELL IS APPOINTED OFFICIALS IN THE CITY.
AND I HOPE, MY HOPE IS YOU WILL LOOK INTO THAT.
I HAVE LEARNED A LOT TONIGHT EVEN MORE THAN WHEN I CAME IN HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
>> I WILL SAY THAT WE DO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIALIST.
EARLIER THIS EVENING WE WERE INTRODUCED TO OUR NEW LIAISON AND I HAVE FOUND IT'S A GREAT POSITION TO HELP BOOST THE GAP OF COMMUNICATIONS IT IS PROBABLY EASIER THROUGH EACH AWAY AND I RECOGNIZE TO HAVE A FORMAL EACH AWAY.
BUT MOVING FORWARD IF THERE IS A DESIGNATED INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD TAKE OF THAT MANTLE FOR CARE WOULD BE A MUCH EASIER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH Y'ALL. BUT IT ALREADY EXIST WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED ONE THING FOR YOU.
>> AND I ASKED ANOTHER QUESTION? >> THE POSITION, THERE IS FORMAL COMMUNICATION WITH EACH AWAY INDIVIDUALS THROUGH HO WAY?
>> YES. >> THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHETHER THE PIPELINE OR THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE CITY AS A WHOLE THAT YOU MAY FIND OF INTEREST.
I HAVE FOUND IT TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE TO HELP ME COMMUNICATE
WITH MY CITIZENS. >> IN OUR CASE THAT'S WHAT ANYTHING WE HAD ANY IDEA THAT EXISTED.
>> THE GAP IS FORMAL EACH AWAY'S IT'S EASIER TO COMMUNICATE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SO DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE FORMAL SPOKESPEOPLE.
>> OKAY. MOST OF MY COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITIZENS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN THROUGH NO OFFICIAL
MEANS WAS CITY OFFICIAL. >> THAT SHE WOULD BE GLAD TO GET
YOUR INFORMATION. >> PARKER NELSON.
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SHE IS ON THE BACK WAVING SHE JUST STARTED AFTER LABOR DAY.ALSO SITTING NEXT TO HER WAS A LONG TIME NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIALIST IN DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS NOW BUT THEY ALL WORK UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COMMUNICATIONS ROLE IS THE IDEA.
HAVE A FORMAL ASSOCIATION BUT THEY WORK WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS TO COMMUNICATE EVEN WHO GO DOOR-TO-DOOR WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN THERE IS AN E-MAIL LIST GOING TO ADVERTISE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT SHE WILL SHARE IT.
TO TRY TO BE THAT LIAISON AND GO BACK TO THE PERSON.
>> NOW I KNOW WHO TO CONTACT. >> THAT'S ANYTHING A CRACK IN THE SIDEWALK OR STORM WATER SHE WILL DIRECT YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN THANKS FOR YOUR
>> NEXT? GOOD EVEN I AM DOCTOR JOANNE ABRAM. 206 TIMBER DALE COURT.
BRING THE SAME CONCERNS AS THE PREVIOUS TWO INDIVIDUALS.
MY CONCERN IS JUST AND ORIGINALLY FROM HERE I MOVED AWAY AND MY FAMILY MOVED BACK AND CHOSE THIS AREA FOR A PARTICULAR REASON BECAUSE OF AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
MY CONCERN IN REFERENCE OF THE CHANGES THAT MAY TAKE PLACE BUT HOW MUCH WILL CHANGE BASED ON WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR AND I CHOSE THAT SUBDIVISION? HOW MANY CHANGES WILL TAKE PL PLACE? I AM CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY AND PROTECTION I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT THINGS TAKE PLACE I DO ACCEPT A GROWTH THAT MUST TAKE PLACE AS WELL BECAUSE WE ARE A GROWING CITY. BUT WE ALSO TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WE CAME BACK FOR A REASON.
I DO UNDERSTAND AND I LOVE THE FACT THE CITY IS GOING THE WAY IT IS GROWING WITH PROGRESS BUT I ALSO LIKE THE LITTLE VILLAGE BECAUSE I HAVE LIVED IN OTHER PLACES THAT WAS NOT A LITTLE VILLAGE. THINGS CHANGE BUT WHAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE PROTECTION OF RESIDENTS AND SAFETY OF RESIDENTS.
I THINK YOU FOR ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE PROTECTION AND SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE MOVED BACK HERE AND THE MAIN REASON WE CHOSE THE SUBDIVISION TO LIVE IN.
THANK YOU SHARING INFORMATION OF WHO TO CONTACT WITH HIS I WILL KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE IT DOES BOTHER ME A GREAT DEAL ALSO MY FAMILY BECAUSE IT WE CHOSE FOR A PARTICULAR REASON SO NOW WE WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH CHANGES IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. IF WE LOOK AT SAFETY, EDUCATION, PROTECTION WE ARE HERE MY FAMILY IS HERE AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO CHILDREN THAT IS GOT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. THEY WENT TO COLLEGE AND THEY WANT TO REMAIN HERE THEY ARE CONCERNED WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE.
THAT'S A PLACE I USED TO WALK THEM TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY.
THEY DID NOT RIDE THE BUS. WALKED HIM TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY AND WALK BACK TO WALK THEM HOME.
THIS IS ALSO A PLACE I WALK EVERY MORNING.
THIS IS A LIFESTYLE WE CREATED IN OUR SUBDIVISION.
IN ADDITION THIS IS THE SAME PLACE WHERE I USE TO RUN BASICALLY AND WALK OUR TWO DOGS.
SO WHEN I SAY THIS IS HOME FOR ME, THIS IS HOME AND WE HAVE BUILT A HOME. SO NOW I AM BECOMING CONCERNED IN REFERENCE TO THE POSSIBLE CHANGES IN THE AREA FOR THE REASON WE MOVED BACK HERE AND WHY WE CHOSE TO STAY HERE THAT INCLUDES THE UPBRINGING OF OUR CHILDREN.
THANK YOU. >> NEXT? OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN FORUM. DOES THE COUNCIL OF ANYTHING TO
ADD. >> I WOULD LIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT. I GUESS I ALSO AM LEARNING MORE AND MORE EVEN I'VE BEEN DOING THIS EIGHT YEARS NOW ABOUT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DO VERSUS THE CITY COUNCIL.
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WHAT IS COME UP OVER AND OVER GET HIS HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS BOUND BY REGULATORY ZONING AND TRY TO DO THE LETTER OF THE LAW WHAT IS ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED BUT THE CITY MANAGER WITH A LAYER OR MEMORANDUM FROM ALABAMA LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES.THEY ARE SUBDIVISION DWELLERS DEPENDING ON ADEQUATE STREETS IN A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS TO INCLUDE LIMITATION OF ACCESS TO HIGHWAYS. THINK THERE IS ROOM IN THERE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE MORE EMOTIONAL ASPECTS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE MAYOR THROUGH HIS REPRESENTATIVE TO SEE IF WE CAN ADJUST THAT.
YOU ARE RIGHT. WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RESIDENT AFTER RESIDENT GOT UP AND SPOKE BUT YET IT WAS OKAY.
SO WHAT. SO YOUR PEACE AND GO SIT DOWN.
NO ANSWERS WERE PROVIDED. THAT WAS DISAPPOINTING.
OPTIONS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO ME INFORMALLY REROUTING THE ROAD NETWORK THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.
I GUESS WE ARE BOUND BY ENGINEERING GUIDELINES WITH THE SPACE BETWEEN CURB CUTS WITH THE COLLEGE.
BUT I HAVE A QUESTION WHICH I SUPPOSE THROUGH YOU, ARE ALL THOSE GUIDELINES ARE THEY WAIVABLE? IF WE FIND SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BY HAVING A DEAD END ROAD IN A SUBDIVISION RATHER THAN HAVING IT COME OUT TO NORTH COLLEGE, IS SOMETHING WE CAN OVERRULE?
>> THAT IS NOT -- -- THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE COUNCIL CAN
OVERRULE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE STAFF AND
CITY? >> IT IS BASED ON ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES AND GUIDELINES. TALK ABOUT HEALTH AND SAFETY WELFARE YOU HAVE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING, ABILITY TO DO THINGS A CERTAIN WAY. WE TRY TO BALANCE THINGS.
SANDERS AVENUE HAS PLENTY OF CAPACITY TO HANDLE 41 HOUSES.
NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT. THE CHALLENGE FOR STAFF IS THE EMOTIONAL SITUATION VERSUS A TECHNICAL ONE.
IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T SYMPATHIZE BUT WE HAVE CERTAIN PARAMETERS IN WHICH WE HAVE TO WORK.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE ARE FLEXIBILITIES TO MOVE THINGS AROUND AND MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF NUANCES THAT GO WITH THAT. IS NOT SOMETHING THE CITY ENGINEER WAYS IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPER WHEN IT MAKES SENSE PER REGULATIONS HOW THEY READ AND HOW THEY ARE
INTERPRETED BUT IT IS NUANCED. >> I'M NOT TALK ABOUT WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO. I GET AGGRAVATED WHEN PEOPLE TELL ME YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING BUT THEY DON'T GIVE US THE ALTERNATIVE BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO IT IN LIEU OF THAT? OBVIOUSLY THERE MAY NOT BE GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC BUT DROPPING OFF A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF DROP OFF AND PICK UP AREA DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. THERE OUGHT TO BE OTHER WAYS.
WORKING WITH THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY TO FIND A WAY AROUND THAT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
SO WHO WILL BE ON THE DR T FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT?
>> THAT IS MULTI DEPARTMENTAL. PLANNING,ENGINEERING,ENVIRONME L SERVICES, INSPECTION SERVICES, POLICE, FIRE, PARKS AND REC GETS IN THERE SOMETIMES.
NOT NECESSARILY ON THIS ONE. >> OKAY.
WE ARE MISSING CITIZEN INPUT. >> THE CITIZEN INPUT DOES NOT COME DIRECTLY INTO THE DR T PROCESS.
IT IS A TECHNICAL PROCESS DEFINED BY THE ADOPTED ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION AND CONSTRUCTION MANUALS AND WATER AND SEWER DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION MANUALS.
'S WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS WE ARE MATCHING PROJECTS AGAINST THOSE CERTAIN
CITY STANDARDS. >> I WOULD ASK WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE STANDARDS AND UNDERSTAND THEY ARE NOT ABSOLUTE.
WE CAN USE SOME DISCRETION. HOPEFULLY WORK EVERYTHING OUT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY AND
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STAFF. FOR EXAMPLE I KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS SOMEONE AT THE DR T.>> THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE PRESENT.
I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NOT HAVING SOMEONE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY DID BUT THEY DID NOT JUMP UP OR SPEAK UP OR EVEN TAKE A POSITION TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL OR THE STUDENTS INVOLVED.
SO I AM REACHING THE END OF MY TOUR WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE BEEN MORE AGGRAVATED OR MORE HOPELESS FEELING THE WHOLE TIME WE HAVE BEEN APPEAR FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS THAT WE CANNOT PUT SOMETHING FORWARD THAT IS WORKABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND STILL SATISFY SOME OF THE GUIDELINES OR AT LEAST FIND SOME COMP COMPROMISE.
I HOPE THE DEER T PROCESS - - DR T PROCESS LOOKING AT A FINAL PLAT NOT ONLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT THE CITY STAFF AND PROFESSIONALS TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE SAFETY OF THE SCHOOL, THE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP LOCATION WITH THE SCHOOL BUSES.
EVERYBODY PLEASE TAKE A STEP BACK AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK. THANK YOU.
>> KELLY I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
WITH A HAVE SEEN OUT OF YOU FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS YOUR PASSION AND INTEREST FROM WARD TWO WE HEARD SOME IDEAS AND THOUGHTS FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT TODAY ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND I BELIEVE WE WILL CARRY THOSE FORWARD.
I BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT WHERE HE STANDS ON SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND ISSUES I HAVE HEARD.
WANT TO COMMEND THE PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO.
THEY HAVE BEEN PASSIONATE, THEY CARE DEEPLY.
THIS IS A SPECIAL SCHOOL. I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
ALL THREE KIDS WERE RAISED ON SANDERS STREET AND IT'S BEEN A SPECIAL PLACE TO MY FAMILY AS I WATCH MY CHILDREN RIDE THEIR BIKES AND WALKED TO SCHOOL. I HAVE THE SAME INTEREST.
I WANT TO PROTECT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL AND MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE OVER THERE WORKING EVERY DAY WITH OUR CHILDREN FEEL PROTECTED. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.
I TRUST OUR STAFF. I TRUST THEIR EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE AND I TRUST THEY WILL LISTEN TO ALL THE THINGS WE SAY TO THEM, INCLUDING YOU AND THAT THEY WILL PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND GIVE US THE BEST ROADMAP POSSIBLE.
WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL CONCERNED TO CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNCILMEMBERS AND ELECTED LEADERS AND TO OUR STAFF AND SHARE WITH THEM YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP WITH SOME IDEAS FOR US.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND JUST KNOW FROM MY STANDPOINT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THIS.
WANT TO FIND A GREAT SOLUTION FOR ALL OF US.
MR. MAYOR, I FELT MR. CUNNINGHAM INSERTING THE WORD SENT SENTIMENT, THAT STRIKES A CHORD WITH ME.
DURING THIS PROCESS OF THE MEADOWS, I HAVE BEEN FIELDING A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATION WITH PEOPLE.
AND FROM A COUNCIL PROCESS LE LENDS, WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE I REALLY DO NOT LIKE TO SAY I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S MY JOB. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE LANE WE INHERIT AND I TRY NOT TO CROSS IT TOO HARD.
BUT I GUESS I AM SEEKING ADVICE WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ME DO FROM A MANAGEMENT SIDE OF WHEN I RECEIVE THOSE CALLS AND I CAN OFFER LITTLE SOLACE TO SOMEBODY? DO I ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE DIRECTING THEIR CONCERNS? BECAUSE I FEEL STUCK WHAT I AS A REPRESENTATIVE CAN OFFER. SO MY OFFER TO FIND RELIEF FOR
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COMPLAINTS IS TO DIRECT THEM TO STAFF?>> THEY ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO LISTEN TO ANY AND ALL IDEAS.
BUT WE ARE STUCK IN OUR OWN WAYS.
WHAT I MEAN IT IS NOT OUR WAY OF DOING THINGS.
WE ARE STUCK BY LEGAL PARAMETERS SET FORTH.
IT'S NOT AN ANSWER THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONCE.
IT IS AGONIZING FOR US. WE HAVE FEELINGS WE ARE NOT ROBOTIC AND WE HEAR THE EMOTION AND CONCERN.
WE TALK ABOUT IT AND LOOK AT WAYS AND HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT TALK ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS. HAS BEEN CONCERN WHY DID STAFF KNOW ABOUT THIS AND NOT TELL ANYONE? IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN BECAUSE UNTIL THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED OFFICIALLY BY SOMEONE WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT. THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE SUITOR FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR A WHILE. THEY CANNOT PUBLICLY DISCLOSE WILL HAVE AN APPLICATION TALKING AND THEORIES.
WE TRIED TO AFFECT CHANGE. I THINK THE DEVELOPER LISTENS.
PEOPLE HAVE MET THE DEVELOPER OR HAVE CONTACTED HIM, THAT'S A GOOD AVENUE. WE ARE LISTENING AND WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THINGS. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY.
IT IS NOT OVER. BUT THE FINAL PLAT MEETING WILL NOT CHANGE. THAT IS BACK TO THE EDUCATION PIECE. AS MR. DUNLAP HAD TALKED ABOUT IS A FINAL PLAT AFTER THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY IN THE GROUND. THE FINAL PLAT IS LATER.
IT IS A NUANCE AND IT'S VERY TECHNICAL.
IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ZERO SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY. GRANTED FROM THE LEGISLATURE DIRECTLY TO A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE RULES ARE MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT ONCE THEY MAKE THOSE RULES THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES. BUT IF WE DO NOT WE END UP IN COURT AND THEN THE COURT SAYS YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THIS ANYWAY. BY NO WAY AM I SAYING THE DEVELOPER THREATENED TO TAKE WE WENT TO COURT.
IT PUTS US IN A PRECARIOUS SITUATION.
I WAS TALKING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TODAY ABOUT HEALTH AND WELFARE PROVISIONS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGING THINGS IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE HELP USED TONIGHT, YOU LOOK AT HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE IN ONE WAY AS A REASON TO VOTE HOWEVER YOU DID BUT IN ANOTHER WAY IT IS PRESCRIPTIVE AIR IN LIGHT THAT IT CALLS FOR SUBDIVISION REGULATION AND THE ORDERLY USE OF PROPERTY IS A DEFINED AND TECHNICAL.
THERE HAS TO BE SETBACKS. YOU CAN'T DO CRAZY THINGS PERK WE HAVE AN INTELLIGENT PUBLIC IS CHALLENGING TO UNDERSTAND BUT THERE ARE LIMITING THINGS. NOW IF THIS WAS CONDITIONAL USE, THEN WE COULD HAVE DIFFERENT INPUT.
BUT WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY ARE DEVELOPING IT BY THE STANDARDS SET FORTH, WE DON'T GET TO MOVE THE GOAL LINE ON THEM. THE STANDARDS ARE SET FORTH.
AND THEY MEET THOSE. WE ARE HAPPY TO COLLABORATE.
I THINK YOU HAVE A REASONABLE DEVELOPER HERE.
HE HAS BEEN BUILDING A LONG TIME IN AUBURN BUT THIS IS HIS FIRST FULL SUBDIVISION. WE WILL WORK TOGETHER AND WE ARE LISTENING AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE ARE HERE FOR THAT WE WANT TO EMBRACE ARE CITIZENS AND ALSO THE EDUCATION PIECES. I ALSO BELIEVE, TALKING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION THE NEIGHBORHOOD RAISES A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
WE WERE STUCK WITH SOME STATE STANDARDS OF THE DREADED CERTIFIED LETTERS WE ARE REQUIRED TO SEND.
WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN SEND BY SNAIL MAIL AT LEAST YOU GET THEM SOONER AND DON'T THINK WISE IT AT THE POST OFFICE? ALSO WE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO PUT MORE INFORMATION IN OUR LETTERS THEY ARE VERY MUNDANE ILLEGAL AND WE HAVE TO SAY CERTAIN THINGS BUT WE ARE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC AND GIVE THEM THE MOST INFORMATION WE CAN AT THE TIME WE ARE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE IT.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MEGAN FOR THAT.
>> THIS IS A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO NOTIFICATION.
I THINK THIS WILL PROBABLY ELICIT FURTHER CONVERSATION AFTER THE FACT. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS PREVENTING US, WE HAVE OUR LEGAL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
IS ANYTHING PREVENTING US FROM BEING ABLE COME AT THE TIME WE ISSUE THAT NOTIFICATION, TO ALSO MAYBE HAVE A PLACE ON THE CITY WEBSITE WHERE WE POST THOSE NOTIFICATIONS?
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>> THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE NEWSPAPER WHICH IS A MONDAY AND REQUIREMENT. I DON'T MIND SOME PEOPLE WILL BE THE ILLEGALS. WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
THERE'S BEEN LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IT OTHERWISE.
WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS IN TANDEM.
WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE STATE LAW.
THERE'S ONE TIMING PIECE PROBLEM IS IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS AFTER AN APPLICATION IS RECEIVED, WE HAVE TO RUN AN AD PRETTY QUICKLY. IN THE FUTURE WE CAN LOOK TO THE DEVELOPERS IN THE ROOM. WE CAN MOVE THOSE DEADLINES FURTHER BACK. GIVES US A CHANCE TO TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT A PROJECT BEFORE IT BECOMES PUBLIC.
SOMETIMES YOU GET AN APPLICATION THAT IS NOT COMPLETE AND WE HAVE TO KICK IT OFF THE AGENDA BEFORE ANYBODY KNEW ABOUT IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE CONSTERNATION ABOUT A PROJECT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OR ENOUGH ABOUT TO SPEAK TO.
THERE IS A NUANCE. BUT THERE ARE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU FEEL.
THOSE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TO SEE WHERE THE COUNCIL LANDS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ON THE
TABLE. >> MAGAN, CAN YOU SPEAK QUICKLY IF THIS DEVELOPER WERE TO MAX OUT THE PROPERTY WHAT COULD THEY
DO? >> I WILL HAVE THE DIRECTOR
SPEAK TO THAT. >> I THINK THE PRODUCT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THEY COULD OF GOT 70 LOTS WHICH IS ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE LOT BUT ALLOWING FOR PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION IN OPEN SPACE FROM DENSITY STANDPOINT IT WOULD PUT YOU OVER 100.
THERE COULD BE 100 LOTS FROM THE DENSITY STANDPOINT THEY WOULD NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHTS SO THEY MET THAT AND MITIGATED APPROPRIATELY OF WHAT IT REQUIRED THEY COULD BUILD OVER 100 UNIT.
>> THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS EVER PROPOSED.
>> AND THE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY GOES BACK TO 1984.
>> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.