Oct 08, 2026 Planning Commission

THE EVENT WILL BEGIN SOON. THE EVENT WILL BEGIN SOON.

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THE EVENT WILL BEGIN SOON. >> GOOD EVENING.

[ROLL CALL ]

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

>> BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS OF THIS PUBLIC MEETING OF THE AUBURN CITY PLANNING COMMISSION THE COMMISSION WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AGENDA ITEMS BY THE CITY PLANNING STAFF THAT REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE AGENDA ITEM WILL THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS AND/OR ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. I WILL THEN OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AS APPROPRIATE AND THIS WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AT HAND.

WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE HEARD. I ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR TIME TO TALK TO FIVE MINUTES AND PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS RELEVANT TO THE CASE AT HAND. AFTER EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT REPRESENTATIVE AND STAFF WILL THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND RESPOND TO ISSUES BROUGHT UP DURING THE HEARING.

THEN I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION MOTIONS AND A VOTE. THE COMMISSION WILL VOTE BASED ON STATE AND LOCAL LAWS. THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2030 AND FOR THE GENERAL GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY.

HAVING SUMMARIZED THE BASICS OF THE HEARING AND VOTING PROCESS.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUMMARIZE OUR ROLE IN RESPONSIBILITY RELATED TO THE APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISION PLANS.

BY ALABAMA STATUTE, A MUNICIPAL PLANNING COMMISSION SUCH AS OURS IS THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR THE SUBDIVISION PLATS.

WITH REGARDS TO SUBDIVISION PLATS THE COMMISSION ACTS AS A ADMINISTRATIVE BODY AND IS BOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS CONTAINED IN STATE LAWS. THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THIS COMMISSION, WHILE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED MOST PLATS, MOST PLATS WILL ANY AND ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS CONCERNING THESE ITEMS, PLEASE UNDERSTAND. THAT THIS COMMISSION, SOCIETY IS STRICTLY LIMITED TO CONFIRMING THAT THE PLAT MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS CODIFIED IN LAWS AND REGULATIONS. PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.

I ASK THAT IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK DURING ANY PUBLIC HEARING, THIS EVENING, PLEASE SIGN IN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD AND LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO FIVE MINUTES.

FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A POINT FOR THE PUBLIC IN ATTENDANCE, AS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY OF THE CITY COUNCIL, EXCEPT IN CASES OF SUBDIVISION DECISIONS. ALL OTHER DECISIONS WILL BE MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CONSIDERATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S POSITION. THANK YOU.

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CITIZENS COMMUNICATION IS FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SAY TO US. THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, COME UP, PLEASE DO SO RIGHT NOW TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE

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FINAL PLAT PRESERVE PAGE 60. >> ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, SO THE PRESERVE PHASE SIX D.

SO THIS WAS POSTPONED TO TONIGHT FOR ADDRESSING, THAT THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS, AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, THAT NEED TO BE RECTIFIED. THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN CARE OF THOSE. ALL OF THE STAFF'S CONCERNS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED, AND SO JUST AS A REMINDER, THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL REQUESTING THE CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION.

THIS PRESERVE PERIOD. SHOULD I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER BASIC -- BOTH COUPLE TO SUPER AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF ON THE SIGNATURE UNTIL ALL THOSE THINGS GET TAKEN CARE OF. -- THERE'S NO REASON FOR THIS NOT TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.

EVERYTHING CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

SO THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT REQUIRED IT TO BE POSTPONED.

>> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU. THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS,

MOTIONS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE CASE FP20260 TO PRESERVE PHASE SIX D. YEAH.

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>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. AYE, ANY OPPOSED.

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ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS?

MOTIONS? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT

AGENDA. >> CHAIR CAMP: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE APPROVED SAY I.

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RESERVE. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO WE GOT -- THIS IS AN ODD MONTH, SO WE GOT TWO PLANNERS AT TRAINING AND ANOTHER PLANNER IS UNDER THE WEATHER.

AND AS IT ALL BROKE DOWN, I WILL BE THE ONLY ONE -- SO -- ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS REVISED PRIMARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR 58 LOT PERFORMING SUBDIVISION 40 TO TOWNHOME LOTS.

AND THREE OPEN SPACE LOTS. JUST KIND OF AS A REFRESHER, THERE IS A LOT TO THIS. JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME. THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PROPERTY AND ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER THAT AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT JUST THE PIVOT AND HOW WE ALL GOT HERE.

SO JUST GIVE ME A SECOND. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU ALL REMEMBER JUST WANT TO GO TO THE ACTUAL PLOT YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT, THIS PLAT INITIALLY CAME TO US UNDER THE GUISE OF -- THEY APPLIED FOR THREE VARIANCES AND VARIANCES. ONLY TWO WERE GRANTED AND ONE WAS FOR ALLOTMENT ON BOTH SIDES. AND THEN THEY HAD A CONDITION ON THEM. THAT WAS TIED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THAT STARTED WITH P AND YOU ALL AND GOT APPROVED THEY HAD A FINAL PLAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH, AND ALSO AT THE TIME, THAT'S VERY RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION. PEE DEE ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY IN THE ORDINANCE AND WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, AND SO HAD THAT REALLY EXISTED THERE, I THINK THAT PROJECT WOULD HAVE WORKED A LOT BETTER FROM A PD PERSPECTIVE THAN A VARIANCE PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S BECAUSE VARIANCES CAN -- VARIANCES TRAVEL WITH THE LAND AND ARE IMPACTS OF BOTH PICKUP BEDS ARE VERY FLEXIBLE AND CAN BE MOLDED TO THE SITUATIONS THAT ADAPT TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND CHANGE WITH THAT PROJECT BEING A LITTLE PREMATURE, BZA GRANTED, THE VARIANCE AND THEY -- AT THE APPLICANT MOVED THROUGH TRYING TO DELIVER AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THIS.

I THINK WITH JUST KIND OF SOME CHANGES ON THERE AND SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED, JUST KIND OF WITH THE MARKET AND EVERYTHING.

THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND PIVOT.

AND SO WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS REALLY IN BETWEEN.

WAS THERE ANY WAY THAT THEY COULD WORK WITH THEIR FRIENDS, WHETHER DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OR SOLUTIONS AND THEY TALKED THROUGH REALLY, LIKE I SAID, WITH VARIANCES OR INFLEXIBLE FOR THE VARIANCES, TRAVEL WITH THE LAND, IF YOU'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THE VARIANCE YOU WERE GOING TO UTILIZE THE VARIANCE.

YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN BOUND TO THAT CONDITION, AND SO I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SPEAK FOR WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS OR ANYTHING GOING FORWARD. BUT REALLY, WITH A BIGGEST THING WAS IF THEY WANTED TO IF THEY WANTED MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN THE VARIANCE PROVIDED THEM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LOTS THAT DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VARIANCE.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT THIS REVISION IS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SWITCHING TO TOWNHOMES SO THAT IS WHY THEY ARE GOING TO TWIN US AWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING LOTS, AND SO THE THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING LAWS ARE ALL COMBINED TO PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS AND MEET THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE INCREMENT.

SO THEY ARE NO LONGER BOUND BY THE VARIANCE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT THE LOT WAS THEY REGRET IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES DOWN TO 35 FEET SO 30 FEET 35 FEET, DIFFERENT PLACES LIKE THAT. THROUGHOUT THE PLAT.

TOWNHOMES ARE A MINIMUM LOT WITH OF 20 FEET, AND SO AN EASY PIVOT REALLY KIND OF ON THEIR END FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, AND ARE WE MOVED TO THE FINAL PLAT A FINAL PLAT.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS INFRASTRUCTURE'S IN THE GROUND, WHICH BUILT ET CETERA. ET CETERA.

LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT, AND SO BY PIVOTING TO TOWNHOMES, IT WAS STILL SOME WORK ON THEIR END. WE HAD TO DRAW THIS UP AND STILL

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BUT THAT IS WHY IT WAS DECIDED TO MAKE IT TOWNHOMES I'M AN EASIER TRANSITION FROM THE LOT SIZES THAT THEY HAD ASKED FOR AND LOT SIZES THAT THEY WANTED TO DO AND WITH THIS BUILDING TYPE PICASSO TOWNHOMES ALLOWED THEM TO DO THAT WITHOUT MONUMENTAL CHANGES TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY ON THE GROUND, SINCE THEY ALREADY WANT A THAT.

SO THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PIVOTING TO TOWNHOMES.

NOT NOW. IT WAS NOT ANYTHING ELSE, BUT NOT ANY OTHER DESIRE TO DELIVER. LIKE I SAID, I THINK VASTLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT. INDUSTRIES, JUST THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT THEY WERE -- THAT THEY CONSTRUCTED TOWNHOMES WAS APRIL PRODUCT THAT WORKED BEST WITH. IT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED THERE. SO THEN MOVING TO THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. SO EVERYTHING FROM COTTAGE HOUSES, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOVERNED BY SEISMIC TABLES.

ARE GOVERNED BY ONE TABLE. SO IT'S 502.

THAT IT GOES THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.

TOOK TOWNHOMES, HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, FOR THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING TO FOCUS ON HERE. SO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING REGARDLESS HOW MANY BEDROOMS. REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPACES.

TOWNHOMES ONE PARKING SPACE FOR BED.

SO IT'S DIFFERENT, 1.1. RELEVANT.

SO INITIALLY INTERPRETED, THEY HAD SOME THREE BEDROOM UNITS, CONFIGURED AND THEY HAD SOME TWO BEDROOM UNITS.

PARKING DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY BEDS YOU HAVE THAT YOU ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW MANY THREE BEDROOM TOWNHOMES THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WANT TO DO. THEN THEY WANT ME TO HAVE THAT PARKING ON THE LOT. THAT'S ALSO THE OTHER THING.

HOWEVER, MANY BEDROOMS THEY HAVE, THEY WILL NEED TO HAVE THAT MUCH MORE PARKING SPACE ON THE LOT TO SELL, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH TO THEY'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO US ON. PLANS FOR EACH UNIT.

IF IT'S TWO BEDS, IT'S IT'S A -- AND THEN THOSE PARKING SPACES WILL NEED TO BE ON THE LOT. AND REALLY, AND ALSO TOWNHOMES ENJOY DIFFERENT SETBACKS. CAN BE, BETTER.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE CUMBERSOME FRONT SETBACK THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES HAVE. THE PIVOT TO TOWNHOMES WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE GROUND, AND THAT NARROW WAS THAT THEY GOT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF TOWNHOMES.

THAT ITSELF TO AN EASY PIVOT FOR THEM, TWO NO LONGER BE ENCUMBERED BY AN INFLEXIBLE VARIANCE LIKE I SAID.

SO THESE ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. THIS IS NOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THIS DOESN'T TRAVEL ONTO CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND SO FROM A LOT SIZE, AND USE STANDPOINT, THAT THAT DOES NEED AND TO THE STANDARDS TYPICALLY BE THE KIND OF WORK TO DO THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY ARE BOTH ON THIS AGENDA. THIS ENGINEERING PLANS.

I THINK THERE'S SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ON PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD CHALLENGE THE LEGITIMACY OF THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT.

>> CHAIR CAMP: COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF AT THIS TIME? >> SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FLOOR

FLOOR PLANS YET, OR? >> NO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED A

PRELIMINARY PLAN. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY

BEDROOMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> LIKE I SAID, INITIALLY, THE PLAN WAS TWOS AND THREES I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGED FROM THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE I SAID, FROM A STANDPOINT OR FROM HOW PARKING IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED THOSE ANSWERS ON.

>> WHETHER HOUSES LIKE TO TO THREE BEDROOMS AS WELL?

>> THE FAST MAJORITY ARE GOING TO BE TWOS AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE THREE LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE OVERALL INTENTION OF THE PROJECT REALLY HASN'T SHIFTED, AND SO I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS GOING TO BE ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL GET ANSWERS TO.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE VARIANCES, HOW DID THAT INCORPORATE THEIR DEVELOPMENTS? IT LOOKS LIKE IT ALLOWED THEM TO GO FORWARD?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE VARIANCES, LIKE I SAID VARIANCES ARE INFLEXIBLE, THEY TRAVEL WITH THE LAND.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO UTILIZE THAT VARIANCE FROM THE MINIMUM OR THAT LOT WIDTH. THEN THEY IT WAS COUPLED WITH AND YOU MUST ADHERE TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT, PERIOD. AND SO I THINK WHAT THEY WERE RUNNING INTO WHEN THINGS KIND OF PIVOTED ON THEIR SIDE WITH WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO THEY NO LONGER THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND DELIVER WHAT WAS BEING ASKED OF THEM. PRETTY MUCH.

AND SO -- >> THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

PART -- >> CORRECT, AND IT WAS IT WAS REALLY, TO US LIKE, HEY, IS THERE ANY LEEWAY ON THIS?

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THAT'S FROM THE CITY SIDE VARIANCES TRAVEL WITH LAND, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY REMOVED IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REMOVED BY COUNCIL.

IT TRAVELS WITH LAND, PERIOD. AND SO THAT IS THE REASON THEY ARE COMING BACK, AND THEY ARE PLANNING THIS, AND TOWNHOMES, LIKE I SAID, WAS THE EASY PIVOT THAT MADE IT VIABLE.

AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THE OVERALL INTENTION OF THE PROJECT IS REALLY CHANGING. I GUESS THAT'S WHY.

THEY CONCERN ABOUT FOURS AND FIVES FIVE BEDROOMS. JUST -- THAT'S THE NONSTARTER. THAT'S NOT REALLY A TALKING POINT HERE. I THINK SOME LIKE I SAID, THAT REALLY BE CHALLENGING FROM A FEW MEDICAL STANDPOINT TO FIT THAT

MANY PARKING SPACES ON THE LOT. >> BUT THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT

LATER? >> YES.

YES. YES.

>> AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TWO HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THAT

AREA? >> YES, SO THERE ARE THREE HOMES. SO ON THE FIRST -- ON THAT FINAL PLAT, THERE WERE MULTIPLE -- ALL THE LOSSES THAT DON'T HAVE A STRUCTURE ON THEM. THEY ALL HAVE NOTES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM OF C 14 OR SOMETHING. AND NOTE 14 ESSENTIALLY REFERENCE THESE LOTS WERE GRANTED VARIANCES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THE MINIMUM OR THE SIZE FOR THESE LOTS, I THINK THE EXCEPTION OF ONE OF THEM WAS THOSE TWO LOTS THAT MINIMUMS AND DID NOT REQUIRE TO AT ALL BECAUSE THEY HAD TWO LOTS THAT WERE OVER THE 5,000 THRESHOLD AND THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD.

SO THEY COULD JUST HAVE REGULAR HOUSES ON THEM STRAIGHT AWAY AND FREE CLEAR, PERIOD. THE OTHER ONE IS GOING TO BE A HOME THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

THAT IS ALSO MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AND SO THAT IS HOW THOSE EXISTING HOUSES, THEY WERE BUILDING MODEL HOMES, LIKE I SAID EVERYTHING KIND OF PIVOTED

UNDER THEM. >> OKAY ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT, THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON SLAUGHTER'S RESERVE PRELIMINARY PLAT, PLEASE DO SO, AND PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED IN, IF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK AND YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED IN, SPEAK FIRST AND THEN YOU CAN SIGN IN FOR THE RECORD.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, AND AT THE END OF PUBLIC HEARING, WHEN I CLOSE IT. THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT DEVELOPER, AND HE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. ALL WRITE.

ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW.

AND WHEN YOU COME UP,, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'RE

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS HUTCHINSON, LIVE AT 606 ♪ AVENUE.

AND WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, I WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU APPROVED THE TOWNHOUSES AND SO THAT MEANS THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE OUT. WELL, WHAT WE'LL ANSWER AFTER

THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING A FEDERAL HOUSING THAT THEY COULD BACK SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GREAT NIECE THAT WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO BUY HER FIRST HOME, SHE GRADUATED FROM AUBURN UNIVERSITY, AND THEN SHE GOT HER MASTERS, AND SHE WAS BLESSED IN THE FIRST YEAR THAT SHE GRADUATED, SHE GOT HER TEACHING JOB.

SO SHE WAS LOOKING FORWARD THAT SHE COULD BUY HER OWN HOME AND IT WAS IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SHE GREW UP IN.

SO EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS, WITH FAMILIES. EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY SAID EVERYBODY, AND IF YOU'VE GOT SMALL CHILDREN, YOU'VE GOT SOME BACKUP. AND SO IT'S A VERY IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING, IF SHE CAN'T AFFORD -- IF SHE CAN'T GET A HOME OF HER OWN, AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

SHE WALKS TO HOME. A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO BE HOMEOWNERS. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUY AN AFFORDABLE HOME. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHO WOULD BE NEXT.

YES? YES, SIR.

>> I'M NOT SPEAKING BUT SHE HAS DISAPPEARED.

SO DID SOMEONE TAKE THAT >> WE'RE PASSING IT AROUND.

>> DID YOU LEAVE IT UP HERE? [LAUGHTER]

>> I DIDN'T SEE IT. YEAH.

OKAY. I KNEW I DIDN'T SEE IT.

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STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU'RE ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 313 JOHN STREET.

AND MY CONCERN ABOUT THE SLAUGHTER JOHN STREET AREA.

>> COMMISSIONER SOLOMON: JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF WHERE I, FROM AND THE REASON THAT I'M HERE FOR MY MOTHER AND FATHER, BUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ON JONES STREET AND THEY BOUGHT IT FOR $1,500. IT WAS A TWO BEDROOM, ONE KITCHEN CHEF. AND NOW THAT THEY BOUGHT IT, MY DAD, WHO WAS A CARPENTER HE ADDED ON TO THE HOUSE.

AND HE'S BEEN THERE FOR 70 TO YEARS.

THAT'S HOW LONG WE STAYED THERE WE BOUGHT THAT HOUSE FROM SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THEM FROM DOWNTOWN.

MARY'S GARAGE AND PLACES LIKE THAT.

SO WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND WE PROBABLY 1962.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A SUBDIVISION.

AND THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THE FAMILY, IN SEVEN.

NOW THEY'RE SIX GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.

PEOPLE LIVED IN OUR TOWN AND THEN THEY, HOME, COLOR.

THAT'S WHERE THEY COME TO VISIT. THAT'S WHERE THEY CALL HOME, THAT IS THAT HOME, BECAUSE MY CONCERN ONLY IS THAT THIS NEW CLOSE GREEN FOR WHAT IS IT ROSE GREEN TEA APARTMENTS.

I MEAN, HOUSING STRUCTURE. WE TALKED ABOUT BEING IN LOW INCOME HOUSING. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.

OKAY. WE WENT ON.

WHAT'S HAPPENING. CHRIS MIKE THE HOUSES ARE NOT, COMING UP LIKE WE WANT TO KNOW WHY, AND WE GOT ALL KIND OF ANSWERS. I THINK THAT WE WANT TO HEAR.

COMING BACK AGAIN THERE WAS THIS THING ABOUT NOW THEY READY TO TOWNHOUSES. THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED.

IT'S A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE OF RUSH WITH FAMILIES MOVING IN TOWNHOUSES, AND AS I SAID BEFORE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CHILDREN 58 HOUSES AND NO CHILDREN COMING.

SO WE GOT TO HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM.

NO BUS COMING THROUGH THERE. IF THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO DRAKE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PARK AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE, YOU ALSO HAVE THE KIDS FROM THE PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE. AND IT'S GOING TO CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD TO ME, WITHOUT OF THAT GOING ON.

AND ALSO I'M WE WERE HERE BEFORE I HAD ASKED THEM ABOUT PUTTING A FENCE ABOUT MY PROPERTY FROM THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LEAVE THE TREES THERE AND THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE LAST IF THEY CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN AND THERE WAS NO PROPERTY THERE AND I'M WONDERING ARE THEY GOING TO PUT A FENCE AT THERE? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO SEPARATE THIS PROPERTY FROM ALL THESE TOWNHOUSES AND CONDOS AND ALL OF THIS STUFF? AND THIS IS WHERE WE LIVE I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH WOULD THESE TOWNHOUSES AND ALL THIS COST? WHAT'S THE PRICE FOR? WHAT WOULD BE WE BE LOOKING AT EVEN IF WE DO HAVE SOME CAN AFFORD A HOUSE, THESE? WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE ON THE HOUSES? AND I GUESS THAT'S JUST A SECOND. OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR LISTENING TO ME.

>> THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN.

OKAY. WHO WOULD BE NEXT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYBODY.

AND MY QUESTION IS -- >> MA'AM, MA'AM, EXCUSE ME I'M SORRY. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME.

>> MY NAME IS -- I LIVE AT 502 STREET.

HUBBARD. AND MY CONCERN IS SORT OF LIKE -- AND ONE OF THE ONES THAT I WAS BORN ON BURD STREET, A STREET OVER FROM THERE, AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A FAMILY JUST LIKE THIS FAMILY. AND NOW WITH ALL THESE STUDENTS

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ALREADY NOW, IF I GO UP TO 14, THEY TRIED TO MAKE A LEFT TURN WITH THE TREES IN THAT ROAD. AND GOT TO SCRATCH AND WATCH AND THEN IF IT HAPPENS TO BE DARK OR CLOUDY AND DON'T FORGET TO HAVE THE LIGHTS ON, YOU WON'T EVEN SEE THAT IT'S RIGHT UP ON YOUR POCKET. SO -- AND WITH ALL THESE TOWNHOUSES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEN AT ABOUT THE TIME AND THE STUDENTS GOING TO BE OUT THERE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GO TO WORK, THEY GOT TO TAKE THAT SCHOOL -- AND IT'S GOING TO BE -- AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN ONE -- ONE BAD WRECK ON 14, AND IN FACT, ONE PERSON THAT I KNOW OF WAS KILLED AND IT'S BEET ALL THIS TOWNHOUSES. THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 300 TO 400 PEOPLE, 18, 19 YEAR OLDS WATCHING THEIR CELL PHONE AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE.

SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT -- BUT MY FRIEND, OTHER -- IT, BUT Y'ALL SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

AGAIN, IT'S ALL RIGHT FOR PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN BUT LET THEM GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. [LAUGHTER]

>> THANKS, MA'AM. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE PICK UP. OKAY.

IT WILL BE NEXT. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS KATHY. I LIVE AT 521 PIER STREET WHICH IS THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

OKAY. I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND A CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF ITS RESIDENTS.

I AM CO-FOUNDER OF THE UNION. AND A MEMBER OF THE SAME DIVISION OF THE CHURCH. I GREW UP ON FIFTH STREET, IN THIS, UNTIL. CELL DIVISION NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THOUGHT MY. >> CHAIR CAMP: THE INITIAL FIRST TIME ON AVENUE, IT IS A FIRST ELEMENT OF THAT, NEVER HAD HAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF MY CHILDHOOD BECAUSE I REMEMBER PUTTING BIKES FROM MY HOUSE. OVER TO MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE TO CUT MY GRANDMOTHER WOULD GET UP EARLY AND WALK, NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPEAK TO JUST ENJOYING HERSELF.

SO MEMBERS IN ANOTHER. WE LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

SHE LEFT ACROSS THE STREET, OFTEN UP TO.

>> CHAIR CAMP: PUBLIX POINT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

PLAYGROUND WE OFTEN, CROSS TO THAT.

THAT WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD STORE. ACROSS THE STREET.

TODAY I'M CONCERNED. THAT THE DEVELOPMENT CAUSES.

THEY HAVE MADE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SO PLACE THAT PEOPLE CALL HOME. AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF 42 TOWNHOMES 10 TWIN HOMES, THREE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THOSE NUMBERS MAY BE OFF OF THE.

THIS DEVELOPMENT, IN MY OPINION DOES NOT.

THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY GREATEST CONCERN IS THE IMPACT SYSTEM OTHER LIFE SAFETY AND AUTO OF THE FAMILIES WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE. FRAGMENTS AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD ARE HOME TO SMALL CHILDREN AND ELDERLY RESIDENTS.

OUR CHILDREN IS A TO WALK. OH, BIKES AND PLAY WITHOUT FEAR OF DANGEROUS. THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OF THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD INCREASE CONGESTION, CREATE AND SAFETY CONDITION, AND PLACE A GREATER RISK TO IT SHOULD NEVER BE COMPROMISED FOR THE SAKE OF DEVELOPMENT.

WE MUST ALSO CONSIDER OUR ELDERLY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR YEARS.

MOST OF THEIR LIFE, DECADES LIKE MY GRANDMOTHER DID THEY ENJOYED WALKING INDEPENDENCE. THE INCREASED TRAFFIC COULD HAVE MADE THIS BENEFIT ON DAN. I HAVE ALSO PERSONALLY WITNESSED

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THIS LAST THURSDAY ON PITT STREET, AND.

TEMPORARILY CLOSED DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE CARS WERE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. TRUMP RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF

THAT >> ANNOUNCER: FAMILY BUILDINGS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL CONCERN FOR THAT. THAT IS A REAL CONCERN.

AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES WITHOUT CONSIDERATION FOR PARKING AND FOR SAFETY.

JUST IMAGINE THAT IN THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL JUST INCREASE TRAFFIC. DRAMATICALLY.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. CAN EXIST IN TO SAFELY ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC? NO EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE ADEQUATE ACCESS, WHICH MUST BE.

>> CHAIR CAMP: AND HAVE HAD IT. LAST WEEK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET DOWN THE STREET, AND I CAN IMAGINE THE SAME THING HAPPENING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I AM NOT OPPOSED TO PREJUDICE OR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.

PROGRESS SHOULD NEVER, THE EXPENSE OF SAFETY, PEACE AND THE WELFARE OF PERSONS THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD STRENGTHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT OVERWHELM IT.

IT SHOULD COMPLEMENT THE CHARACTER OF AN ESTABLISHMENT OF A NOT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT.

>> CHAIR CAMP: MAN, YOUR TERMS OF.

YES, MAN. >> I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ASK YOURSELF A QUESTION.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU.

WHO WOULD BE NEXT? >> I HAVE SIGNED IN, WITH AND GENTLEMEN. APARTMENT 111.

UNLIKE MANY OF THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT, I DO NOT KNOW IF ANY OF YOU EVER HEARD IN QUESTION I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AS I JUST STATED. AS ONLY LIVED IN AUBURN FOR 20 1/2 YEARS. THAT LIKE SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THAT YOU'VE HEARD AND YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM TONIGHT.

I, FROM A BLACK FAMILY, I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH THE CHURCH, WITH.

SOCIAL EVENTS, WITH THE BLACK PEOPLE.

HAVE LIVED IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WALK OVER BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WALKED THROUGH ONE LAST NIGHT, I STUDIED BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS AS A STUDENT I EVEN WRITTEN ABOUT BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS IN MANY OF MY SELF PUBLISHED BOOKS AND PLAN TO WRITE MORE ABOUT BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS. I QUESTIONED THE COMPATIBILITY OF A PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT'S BEFORE YOU WITH ANY QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, CHARACTER AND MAKEUP.

PEOPLE FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE MOSTLY LOWER CLASS WORKING CLASS. MANY ELDERLY OR SENIOR CITIZENS ON FIXED INCOME. THEY'VE HAD TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO BE WHERE THEY ARE, AND HAVE BEEN MOST, IF NOT ALL THEIR LIVES. THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE MONEY OR THE CONNECTIONS THAT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ATTRACT SO THE CITY OF AUBURN HAS BECAUSE BUT TWO THEY DO HAVE.

ONE IS PRIDE AND THE OTHER IS ESTABLISHED ROOTS.

THINK OF THE IMPACT THAT THAT PLANT WILL HAVE NOT ONLY ON THE COMMUNITY IN QUESTION, BUT AUBURN'S BLACK COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. ASK YOURSELVES, IS THIS ANOTHER STEP TOWARDS GENTRIFICATION OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WITH MONEY? AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE BETTER SOLUTION FOR THIS AREA, AND SO AS ZONING ADJUSTMENT FOR IN APRIL 2024 AND GRANTING THE VARIANCES WITH THE CONDITION THAT HAS AN IMAGE.

THE HOUSING -- THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH NOT ONLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN QUESTION, BUT WITH AUBURN'S BLACK COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE DIFFERENT I ASK YOU TO REVERT TO HIS PROPOSAL.

BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF 58, DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BASED ON HUD'S DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

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THEY NEED HELP FROM AUBURN CITY HALL AS A WHOLE TO BRING AS MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS POSSIBLE TO AUBURN, ALABAMA, JUST AS ATTRACTIVE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN INVESTED THEIR LIVES HERE, WHO HAVE ROOTS HERE, WHO HAVE PRIDE HERE, WHO CARE ABOUT THE LIFE AND SAFETY AND WELFARE HERE AS THOSE WITH MONEY AND CONNECTIONS. THAT THE CITY WANTS TO ATTRACT.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU.

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. OKAY, GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO

SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I KNOW. I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY, ON BEHALF OF MY PASTOR, REVEREND DR. STEVEN OF THAT CHURCH.

AND WE ARE ONE OF THE HISTORICAL LANDMARKS CHURCHES IN AUBURN.

AND HE SENT ME HERE TO READ A LETTER FROM HIM TO YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF AUBURN PLANNING COMMISSION.

GREETINGS. I WRITE TO YOU WITH SINCERE RESPECT FOR YOUR SERVICE AND PROFOUND CONCERN FOR THE LIFE, SAFETY AND WELFARE, AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE CITIZENS OF AUBURN, ALABAMA AS PASTOR OF AUBURN AFRICAN METHODIST EPISCOPAL ZION CHURCH. THE HISTORIC CONGREGATION LOCATED AT THE HEART OF AUBURN AUBURN UNIVERSITY I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF MINISTERING TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WHO WHOSE LIVES ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE DECISIONS MADE BY OUR CITY GOVERNMENT, BY CARLY EXTENDS BEYOND THE WALL. MY COLLEAGUE EXTENDS BEYOND THE WALLS OF THE CHURCH, IT INCLUDES ADVOCATING FOR THE WELL-BEING OF OUR CONJUGATES, NEIGHBORS, OUR CHILDREN, OUR SENIOR CITIZEN, AND THOSE WHOSE CONCERNS. MAY OTHERWISE GO UNHEARD.

RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AT AUBURN HAS EXPERIENCED DUE TO OUR CITY CONTINUES TO ATTRACT. NEW RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND ECONOMIC INVESTMENT SUCH PROGRESS CAN BE A BLESSING FOR IS THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED AND RESPONSIBLY MANAGED. HOWEVER, GROWTH SHOULD NEVER BE MEASURED SOLELY BY THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED.

THE BRAND-NEW REVENUE GENERATED THROUGH THE INVESTMENTS ATTRACTED. TRUE PROGRESS MUST ALSO BE MEASURED BY HOW WELL THE CITY PROTECTS ITS PEOPLE, PRESERVES THE INTEGRITY OF ITS NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF ITS CITIZENS.

IT IS FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE THAT I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.

REGARDING THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE NORTHWEST CORRIDOR AND IT'S POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD RESPONSIBLE GROWTH MUST PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO CALL AUBURN HOME.

FIRST, TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND TRANSPORTATION SAFETY, ONE OF MY PRIMARY CONCERNS INVOLVES THE ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THE ABILITY OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS SAFELY.

STREETS SERVING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ALREADY NARROW AND ON STREET PARKING. FURTHER LIMITS THE SPACE AVAILABLE FOR THE VEHICLES TO TRAVEL SAFELY.

INTRODUCING ADDITIONAL VEHICLES WITHOUT APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE, IMPROVEMENTS COULD CREATE UNNECESSARY

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HOW WILL THE EXISTING NARROW STREETS SAFELY ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, PARTICULARLY DURING THE PEAK TRAVEL HOURS? WHAT POSITIONS WILL BE MADE TO PRESERVE EXISTING ON STREET PARKING WHILE PREVENTING ADDITIONAL PARKING DEMANDS FROM OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC, WHICH MONTH WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS TO TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES FOR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, MODIFICATIONS BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT IS OCCUPIED. IF TRAFFIC CONDITIONS BECOME HAZARDOUS FOLLOWING CONSTRUCTION WHAT MEASURES WITH THE CITY

REQUIRE. >> EXCUSE ME.

SORRY, IT'S BEEN FIVE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE.

>> HELLO, I LIVE AT 816 STREET.

PROPERTY ON FOSTER STREET. WHILE I RESIDE ON GAY STREET, I'M ON FOSTER QUITE A BIT AND I'VE SEEN WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN, AND HAVE MY PROBLEMS WITH IT, BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE PROVISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE CONCERNING THE CHILDREN.

AND CURRENTLY WALK BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THIS AREA TO CATCH SCHOOL BUSSES. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

WHAT MEASURES WILL BE PUT IN PLACE TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY, AS PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO INCREASE? AND HAS THE CITY SCHOOL BUSSES RESIDENTS AND ADDITIONAL VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN THINK ABOUT WHAT SCHOOL THANK YOU, THANK YOU, DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA THANK YOU GOOD WHO WOULD BE NEXT. GOOD EVENING.

AUBURN, ALABAMA. MY CONCERN IS WITH -- WELL, I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS. BUT I HAVE DECIDED ON SLAUGHTER FOR ALL MY LIFE. I AM STILL ENJOYING THE BLESSINGS WITH MY PARENTS, BOTH THE HOUSE.

I WENT THROUGH ALL AUBURN CITY SCHOOLS FROM THE HOUSE.

AND ME AND MY SIBLINGS ALL ALL THE KIDS, ALL THE KIDS EVERYBODY WAS AT MY PARENTS HOUSE. WE ALL STILL CALL IT HOME HAS AND STILL THE HOME HOUSE. AND IN FACT.

BUT EVERYBODY ELSE. COMES REGULARLY.

AND WEIGH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC NOW I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE I'VE EVEN SEEN ON FACEBOOK THAT SLAUGHTER STREET IS A DRAG STREET.

SO THAT'S WHY THE CHURCHES, THAT'S WHY THERE'S CARS, AND THEY JUST GO AND PICK US UP, AND I CALLED THE POLICE I ASKED THEM TO COME AND GIVE US MORE PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THIS AREA BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO IT UNTIL THE EVENING.

OKAY I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THIS TO YOU.

HER SCHOOL STUDENTS. BUT THAT'S WHEN THE KIDS BE OUT OKAY, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO DO THIS, AND I'M WONDERING, HOW ARE THE KIDS THAT THE KIDS DON'T WATCH TRAFFIC.

LIKE WE WOULD WATCH TRAFFIC AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE 5:TO PUT THAT STOPLIGHTS THAT THEY CAN WALK, WHERE? THE BELLS THAT THEY PASS TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET AND LET THEM KNOW THAT IT'S TIME TO GO? HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE LOANS

IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> I ALSO AM A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THERE

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THEY COME TO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON AT CHURCH.

THEY HAVE TO WALK. >> CHAIR CAMP: AND THAT IS ANOTHER ISSUE. MY ISSUE WITH THE TRAFFIC IS FINE I WAS WONDERING AM I BEING PUSHED OUT OF AUBURN.

WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN STUCK DURING THE WHOLE GAME NOT ABLE TO MOVE AROUND FOR JUST TWO. SO RIGHT NOW I'M LATE IN THE GAME TO DO WHAT WE GOT TO DO, NOW, MISS GAMES, START WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF OUR OWN STREET BECAUSE CARS AREN'T GOING TO BE COMING FROM EVERYWHERE, NOW. CARS ARE GOING TO BE PARKED EVERYWHERE NOW AND WE WILL JUST BE STARTING, AND I'M JUST WONDERING, CAN I ARE WE BEING PUSHED OUT OF AUBURN ANYWAY BECAUSE HALF OF THE PEOPLE COMING IN TOWN TO THE FOOTBALL GAME. OH, YOU CAN TELL IF I'M TRYING TO GO TO A . I'M INVESTED.

I'M TRYING TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE.

I'M TRYING TO GET TO WALMART. I'M TRYING TO DO BASIC STUFF.

BUT THEY DON'T EVEN STOP AND LET US IN.

THEY DON'T STOP AND LET US GO. WE ARE STUCK.

AND NOW I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE BECAUSE WE ALREADY SUFFER THAT ISSUE, AND THEN WHEN THE GAME START, AND WE ARE RIGHT AT HOME, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT FOR THAT TRAFFIC AS WELL AS OTHER TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE WAY FROM 14 DONAHUE LAST FOOTBALL GAME.

I STAYED IN TRAFFIC. JUST ON THAT.

IN OUR. JUST TO GET FROM BARKSDALE TO DONAHUE. A WHOLE HOUR.

AND I DIDN'T DIDN'T MIND BECAUSE I HAD GAS AND I DO WHAT I WAS DEALING WITH WHEN I CAME THROUGH THERE, BUT STILL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO EXPECT NOW THAT IT'S ALREADY THAT BAD? PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> CHAIR CAMP: GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> MY NAME IS STEVE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE UP HERE LONG BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME UP HAVE SPOKEN, MANY OTHER POINTS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE A LITTLE HISTORY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT WHEN I WAS THE CITY OF HASAN PIKER, WE DID THE SIX PROJECTS BACK IN 2005, SO WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING HERE YEAH, PEOPLE EXPERIENCE ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO AND WHAT IT TAKES FOR THIS TO WORK IS GOING TO BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BECAUSE IT'S THREE PEOPLE INVOLVED. WE GOT THE FAMILY COMMUNITIES.

WE GOT THE DEVELOPER AND WE GOT THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT, AND I AGREE TO GET THIS STARTED OUT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

EVERYBODY'S GIVING VALID POINTS THE CITY IT NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN ORDER FOR A HOUSING TO COME YOU GOT TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE THE FAMILIES COME IN TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THE DEVELOPER, WHATEVER MODIFICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE FROM A THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS THE CITY. AND THE CITY HAS TO STEP FORWARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DECIDE IF IT REALLY, TRULY WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT'S JUST BE HONEST HERE BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, A LOT OF THAT COMMUNITY IS BEING PUT OUT. SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, FIRST OF ALL DO YOU WANT THAT POOR? AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, THE MONEY IS OUT THERE THERE'S ALL TYPE OF GRANTS.

THAT THE CITY CAN GO AFTER SOMEONE WAS TELLING ME THAT THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE CBD GRANT MONEY THERE'S MONEY OUT THERE. AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, IS THAT THE CITY JUST STEP FORWARD AND GET WITH THIS LET'S JUST MAKE THIS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, COMING FAMILIES WANT TO. THE DEVELOPER WANTED IN THE CITY WANTS. BUT WE HAVE TO GO WITH

AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN IF YOU HAVE AN. OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS

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I SERVE IN THE AMERICAN MILITARY AND I CAME BACK TO AUBURN, IN 1983. AUBURN HAS GROWN PEKKA.

HOW IT'S GROWN THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, DO YOU HAVE BIRD NEST HOUSES? DO YOU HAVE THESE BIG CONDOS COMING UP? HAS ANYBODY SENT YOU WEEKLY THESE LETTERS SAYING WE CAN BUY YOUR PROPERTY.

ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN T THAT?

>> PLEASE SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION, PLEASE.

>> BUT I'M SAYING IS THAT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT ON SLAUGHTER AND FOSTER.

I LIVED AT A PLACE CALLED SUMMERHILL NOW, SUMMERHILL WAS A COMMUNITY THAT WAS FILLED BY BLACK PEOPLE.

OKAY. NOW, IT'S GONE.

GONE. WE LIVED OVER THERE, ME, MY WIFE, OVER THERE, ALMOST 20 YEARS, OKAY? SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY STARTED SELLING.

CAN SELL THEIR LAND IF THEY WANT TO, BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.

LOOK, I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

ONE NIGHT, I WAS SITTING THERE WE GOT THREE KIDS.

I WAS SITTING THERE LOOKING AT MY WIDOW AND ACROSS THE STREET WE HAD BUILT SOME CONDOMINIUMS. OKAY, AND FOR SOME REASON THEY DECIDED TO HAVE A BIG PARTY, CARS PARKED UP AND DOWN THE STREET, EVERYWHERE ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET.

OKAY. BUT THIS IS WHAT CAUGHT ME.

IT WAS A YOUNG LADY OUT THERE WHO DECIDED TO PULL DOWN HER UNDERWEAR AND JUST URINATE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

WOULD YOU LIKE THAT IN YOUR STREET? NOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SEEING OVER THERE.

NOW, MY FIRST COUSIN JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT BILL.

BEVERLY'S CHURCH. MY PARENTS WERE THE ONES WHO HELPED BUILD THAT CHURCH. NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO SEND THAT TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN. WOULD YOU WANT THAT COMING TO YOUR SIDE OF TOWN? I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE LIKE THAT.

THAT'S EVERYWHERE I'VE SEEN AND EVERYWHERE YOU BUILT THESE PLACES, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID. THERE'S NO RESPECT.

WE CAME HOME, ME AND MY WIFE, ONE NIGHT FROM OUT FROM EATING.

WE HAD A BIG NICE, LONG DINNER. BUT LET'S STARE? THREE CARS PULLED UP IN MY YARD. I DON'T KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. ARE THEY PICKING IN MY HOUSE? ARE THEY COMMITTING A CRIME? I CALLED THE POLICE.

WHAT DID THE POLICE SAY CHRISTMAS DO YOU SHARE CARS? I CALLED FOR YOU TO COME GET THEM.

THAT'S IT. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN YOU PUT STUFF OUT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT

THANK YOU. >> THANK.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS YOLANDA ELLIS JACKSON. I RESIDE AT 1020 HOLMES AVENUE.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN RIYADH ON NORTH DONOHUE WHEN IT WAS A DIRT ROAD. I HAVE BEEN NAMED I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE SLAUGHTER HAS THIS NAME OR NOT, BUT WE'RE THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS. BUT WE OLD NOW, BUT WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE OUR FIRST HOME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WHEN IT'S TALKED TO YOU ABOUT BEING A COMMUNITY IT IS A COMMUNITY.

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AND THEY ARE SEVERAL STREETS OVER THE NOW, MY QUESTION IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND IT MAY NOT BE THAT ACCURATE.

BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY ACCURATE.

PICTURE WHEN TOWNHOUSES CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S YOU ALL IT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOME YEARS AGO. IT WAS DENIED.

IT CAME BACK AGAIN. IT WAS DENIED.

EVEN I HAVE ANOTHER FAMILY. HE'S THE DEVELOPER.

HE'S MY FAMILY. I TAUGHT HIM IN SCHOOL.

AND HE'S JUST LIKE FAMILY. I CONVINCED HIM TO COMMIT TO COME TO AUBURN UNIVERSITY, WHERE I GRADUATED.

AND HE DID. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE TWO SIDED.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, TOWNHOUSES WERE DENIED WHEN THE VARIANCE CAME ABOUT, EVEN WHEN THE DEVELOPER CAME THE FIRST TIME.

SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THIS VARIANCE.

HELPED ME. IT WAS DENIED.

SO THEN WE WENT TO AFFORDABLE HOMES.

AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE CORRECT. YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I IF YOU'D LIKE. I DO WANT THE ANSWER TO THAT.

AND WE WENT TO THIS AFFORDABLE HOMES.

THAT WASN'T HIS PLAN AND HIS DREAM, AND I KNOW IT WASN'T.

SO HE CONVERTED TO WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PEOPLE.

TO THESE AFFORDABLE HOMES. GIVING THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ACCEPTING OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOMES TO COME, AND NOW WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE IT BACK? TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DENIED THREE TIMES?

HOW WAS THAT POSSIBLE? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VARIANCE. WHEN HE FIRST OVER THERE TO START THAT CONSTRUCTION AND PUT THAT ROADWAY IN, IT WAS FOR THOSE PROPOSED AFFORDABLE HOMES IN A COMMUNAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN AUBURN AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT FAMILIES IN THOSE TOWNHOMES BUT IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE FAMILIES GOING TO COME, AND BUY THEM.

THE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN THEM.

THE FAMILIES ARE GOING TO COME AND BUY THEM LIKE I WANT TO BUY ONE MYSELF. BUT THE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN THEM. AND THERE IS NO ROOM THERE'S NO ROOM FOR AN AMBULANCE. AN AMBULANCE WITH ALL AROUND TO HELP ONE OF OUR CITIZENS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THROUGH THE STR STREETS.

AND THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO GET LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, AMBULANCE FOR WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG. NOW, BECAUSE, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT WHY ARE WE CHANGING?

WHAT HAPPENED >> , YOUR TIME'S UP.

>> OKAY, AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS QUESTION SINCE YOU SAY WE CAN'T TALK TO THEM WHEN THEY DO COME UP, I JUST WANT HIM TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION AND THAT IS, ARE YOU STILL WILLING TO MAKE THEM AFFORDABLE FOR SOME OF THE COMMUNICABLE --

>> CHAIR CAMP: MAN, -- >> SOME OF THE MEDICAL PEOPLE

THAT HAVE BEEN HERE. >> EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU. >> AND I WANT TO KNOW THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU SIR.

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>> WE WILL ANSWER. >> CHAIR CAMP: ANYONE ELSE THAT

WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. >> I HOPE I CAN MAKE THIS IN FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO BE CUT OFF.

BUT MY NAME IS TAMARA ANDREWS OF 1248 AVENUE AND I HEARD -- I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS VARIANCE AND THIS VERY NOTICEABLE AUBURN NEIGHBORHOOD LIVED A MAN BY THE NAME OF JAMES ECHOLS. HIS RESPONSIBLE FOR -- AND SO THAT SO MANY LOVE AND KNOW HIM. AND HE WAS MY GREAT UNCLE.

AND THIS SAME NORTHWEST AUBURN NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WAS ABLE TO HOP ON A BIKE WITH MY COUSINS AND FRIENDS AND RIDE TO VISIT HIM AND MY AUNT FANNY JUST TO HEAR HER LAUGH AS HER FAMILY AND OTHER FAMILY FRIENDS, MY FRIENDS, PARENTS NEVER HAD TO WORRY IF ANYTHING WOULD HAPPEN WHILE WE TRAVELED BY BIKE TO AS TODAY, I SEE MANY PEOPLE OF ALL CREEDS AND RACES CHOOSE MY SAME NEIGHBORHOOD TO BIKE FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE FRIENDLINESS CHANGE WILL ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE REQUESTED HOME SALES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING FABRIC OF THE SURROUNDING HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SORRY.

THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING CREATING A DESTABILIZING PRECEDENT FOR OUR ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S MOST VULNERABLE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS.

THIS DRIVES UP THEIR PROPERTY TAXES PROPERTY VALUES ARTIFICIALLY SPIKE, AND THESE PEOPLE ALLOW THE SENIORS WHO CAN'T AFFORD. ON A STABLE PENSION OR SOCIAL SECURITY THAT DISPLACEMENT THAT THEY WILL BE FACED WITH.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A DISTINCT HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT SCALE AND FABRIC TO OUR CITY EXPLICITLY THAT OUR CITY EXPLICITLY PLEDGES TO PROTECT. GRANTING THIS VARIANCE ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ENTIRELY OUT OF SCALE.

UNDERMINING THE CITY'S STATED GOALS OF PRESERVING HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND PREVENTING THE DESTABILIZATION OF VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES. I KNOW A LOT OF THESE SPEAKERS, ALL THE RESIDENTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING FORWARD TO OWNING THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THE DECISIONS ARE MADE IN BACKROOMS, SO THERE'S NO USE.

IN FACT, WAS LIVING IN MARYLAND. AS I BEGAN STARTING MY FAMILY, MY MOM CALLED AND SAID, GUESS WHAT? AND I'M LIKE, WHAT? SHE SAYS, AFTER MAKING A PHONE CALL SINGLE PHONE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THE CORNER AND THAT GREATLY SWAYED MY DECISION TO CUT TO CONVINCE MY FIANCE TO MOVE FROM MARYLAND DOWN HERE TO BE ABLE TO GET ROOTS AND GROW MY ROOTS COME WHERE MY ROOTS BEGAN. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOUNGER PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE FORGOTTEN OR RATHER UNWANTED.

GRANTING THIS VARIANCE WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC WELFARE, INCREASED DENSITY BEYOND WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS.

WHILE EXACERBATE LOCAL PARKING SHORTAGES, STRAIN ER EXISTING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMPROMISE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ON OUR STREETS. I ASK THAT YOU TAKE THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AS THE CITIZENS, YOUNG AND OLD, OF NORTHWEST AUBURN, DESERVE THE SAME COMFORTS AS NORTH WEST, EAST SOUTH AND OUTSKIRTS AUBURN CITIZENS.

AND I DID IT IN FIVE MINUTES. >> CHAIR CAMP: ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN HOLD IT ANY LONGER. THERE HE IS.

ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

YOU JUST MADE IT. >> SOME OF YOU GUYS I KNOW, SOME I DON'T. SOME OF YOU GUYS I KNOW TOO WELL MY NAME IS LINDBERG B JACKSON, FORMER RESIDENT OF 814 NORTH STREET. LIVED IN AUBURN THREE QUARTERS OF A CENTURY, ALMOST. I LOVE EVERY CORNER OF AUBURN.

IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM KERRY WOODS.

CAME TO THE CITY OF AUBURN AS AN ENGINEER'S ASSISTANT, SOME 40 PLUS YEARS AGO. SO WORK THERE, EXPECTED A LOT OF SUBDIVISION. BUT NEVER HAD I EVER THOUGHT

THAT THAT I TOLD MY GRANDKIDS. >> CHAIR CAMP: MR. JACKSON,

SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. >> I MAY BE SPEAKING A LITTLE LOUD. OKAY.

>> CHAIR CAMP: SO THE PEOPLE AT HOME THAT'S LISTENING --

>> CAN YOU -- CAN ONE OF YOU RAISE THE -- RAISE THE PODIUM.

YEAH. >> CHAIR CAMP: YEAH, TIME.

GIVE HIM HIS TIME. [LAUGHTER]

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YOU GOT IT. >> THERE YOU GO.

>> CHAIR CAMP: YOU GOT IN. >> SORRY ABOUT ALL OF THAT.

I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE A LITTLE HISTORY.

THE FIRST PERSON WHO CALLED TO BE INVOLVED IN CITY PLANNING WE HAD A PLANNER THAT WAS NAMED BOB TOWNSEND CAME FROM MICHIGAN.

HELPED US WITH OUR FIRST MAP. I DREW THE FIRST MAP.

LET ME TELL YOU YOU, I WANT TO SAY THIS DUE TO THE CREDIT OF MAYA ANGELOU. SHE SAYS, I MIGHT FORGET WHAT YOU SAID. I MIGHT FORGET WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. IN MY LIFETIME.

BUT I NEVER WILL FORGET HOW YOU TREATED ME.

AND HOW YOU MADE ME FEEL. I SPOKE WITH A GENTLEMAN, SKINNYPOP JUST A SECOND AGO WHILE I WAS ON BREAK.

IN THE RESTROOM CAME BY THE CITY TODAY AND I SPOKE WITH SCOTT.

AND I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I DEVELOPED I SAID, DID YOU EVER -- WHO DID THIS PROPERTY. UP THEIR.

THAT JOINS THIS PROPERTY AND THAT PAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

THE ANSWER WAS, IT'S GOT TO GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.

SO THAT MEANT THAT HE DECEIVED THE CITY OF AUBURN AND EVERYBODY IN HERE THAT HE OWNS SOMETHING AND DIVIDED SOMETHING THAT HE DID NOT OWN, WHICH IS WRONG. NEVER, EVER DOES OUR ORDINANCE ALLOW THINGS TO GO THROUGH THE COURT AND THEN CIRCLE BACK.

HE DID THIS, THESE PEOPLE AND INJUSTICE.

HE DONE THE CITY AND INJUSTICE. I WOULD PRAY TONIGHT THAT IN THE LIGHT OF DOING WHAT'S RIGHT, TABLE THIS MEASURE BECAUSE IT'S A HOT MESS. HE CAN'T SPEAK.

I SPEAK IN HIS BEHALF. HE NEVER SIGNED THE.

HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT TO BUY, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

DON'T BE DECEIVED BY SOMEONE WITH A BAIT AND SWITCH GAME.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. >> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU.

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE. ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? WAIT WAIT LET HIM GET THAT FOR YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>> THERE YOU GO. >> I AM NORMA J SANDERS AND I RESIDE AT 229810 DRIVE. ALABAMA.

AND I ALSO SERVED IN THE CAPACITY AS THE HOUSING FOR THE A C P LEE COUNTY BRANCH 1538. I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITIZENS HERE IN AUBURN. AND I KNOW WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA THAT YOU HAVE EVIDENTLY APPROVED OR MAYBE CONSIDERING, SHOULD I SAY, TO BE A TOWNHOUSES.

WHEN I LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE TELL THEIR STORIES THIS EVENING THEY'RE TELLING YOU ABOUT THEIR FAMILY THEIR CHILDREN, THEY'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT HOW THERE WAS A STRUGGLE.

I'M ORIGINALLY FROM MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA, BY THE WAY, OF MILITARY AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT IS NOT HARD IT IS NOT EASY FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR EVEN IN THIS DAY AND AGE TO SECURE THINGS LIKE A HOME AND -- THIS IS REALLY HEART WRENCHING FOR ME TO LISTEN TO THESE CITIZENS TALK TO YOU THIS EVENING, TELLING YOU ABOUT TOWNHOMES BEING BUILT WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

LET ME MAKE THIS CONNECTION A LITTLE BIT CLEARER FOR YOU.

I AM ALSO A FORMER TEACHER OF AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL.

AND DURING THIS TIME, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONVINCED ME TO COME BACK TO THIS AREA BETWEEN AUBURN AND OPELIKA.

BUT HERE I STAND TODAY SITTING ASKING YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR DECISION OR CONSIDER WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE SAID, AND MAYBE THAT WILL CONVINCE YOU THAT THAT IS NOT GOOD TO PUT TOWNHOUSES AND JUST TO BASICALLY RESTRUCTURE THEIR COMMUNITY TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT THEY DID NOT GROW UP IN OR DON'T KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS WE NEED TO ALL BE COMPASSIONATE AND LEARN FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES, AND GRANTED, I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE.

TO GO ON DISRUPT THAT PEOPLE IN AUBURN, IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

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TELLING YOU ABOUT THEIR FAMILY AND ABOUT THE CONNECTIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD DOWN THROUGH THE YEARS.

PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

AND BECAUSE WE KNOW HOUSING IS THE HUMAN RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN, PLEASE. , MA'AM.

ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> HELLO. I LIVE AT 3055 COMMERCE DRIVE.

WHEN I HEARD ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE WAS GOING TO BE PUT ALMOST LOUDER AT.

I WENT TO MY YOUNGEST SON AND I TOLD HIM, I SAID, I HEY, I'M READY TO PURCHASE YOUR HOME. PUTTING UP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ON LAWLER. AND I SAID THAT WOULD BE THAT.

HE'S A SINGLE FATHER. WELL, NOW.

DON'T TALK ABOUT TOWNHOUSES I'LL BE DARNED IF I WANT MY GRANDSON TO BE OVER THERE AND HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HIM.

OUTSIDE PLAYING. I DON'T WANT HIM TO HAVE TO STAY IN THE HOUSE AND CAN HAVE THE GO AND PLAY BECAUSE I GREW UP WITH A BACKYARD. I GREW UP ON WESTVIEW.

THAT WAS HOME FOR ME. I THINK IT WAS MY GRANDMOTHER AND HAD NEIGHBORHOOD TOOK CARE OF ALL OF US.

YOU GOT ONE HOUSE. JUST NOTE WHEN YOUR PARENTS FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. COME ON BABY, YOU GET ANOTHER ONE. SO WE ALL TOOK CARE OF EACH OTHER. AND FROM MY SON TO ONE, TWO HIS FIRST HOME. SO HIS SON COULD HAVE A PLACE TO GO. HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT NOW.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UP TOWNHOUSES, COLLEGE STUDENTS, DRINKING. ALL THIS COOL STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S A BIG CHAOS. I ALREADY HAVE GRANDCHILDREN THAT THEY'RE NEXT TO COLLEGE STUDENTS NOW WHO WERE THEY USED TO GO OUT AND RIDE THEIR BIKES, BUT GUESS WHAT.

THE STUDENTS DONE TOOK OFF OVER THERE.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE NOWHERE TO GO OUT AND PLAY.

AND I WANT MY SON WHEN I HAVE DAUGHTERS TOO, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TO AUBURN. THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.

CAN'T AFFORD IT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S UGLY.

AND THEY WORK FOR THE STATE OF ALABAMA.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. THEY WENT TO PRATTVILLE.

AND GUESS WHAT THEY GOT. THEIR HOUSE, WHAT THEY NEED,

WHAT THEY COULD AFFORD. >> I WANT MY OTHER KIDS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY HERE, TO THIS IS HOME FOR US.

THAT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. SO I DON'T WANT MY SON TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHERE HIS SON IS GOING TO HAVE A BACKYARD OR NOT.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU.

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN PLEASE. OKAY, GOOD.

ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT?

>> MY NAME IS -- AND I LIVE AT 557 -- STREET.

I'M HERE FOR SEVERAL REASONS. WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, COMING TO AUBURN, I WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO WAS HAPPY ABOUT IT. BECAUSE I APPLIED.

AND THEN IT CAME TOWNHOUSES. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN LIVING IN A TOWNHOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE AFFORDABILITY OF A TOWNHOUSES ARE STILL GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO WHOEVER AFFORDABILITY ASPECT OF IT IS STILL IN PLACE OR THAT HAS JUST BEEN PUSHED ASIDE. I ALSO -- I'VE BELONGED TO OWNED -- EIGHT BASED SUBSTANCE SUP SUPPORT.

WAS THE CORNER MARKET BEING IN THE LOCATION THAT IT'S IN, AND THIS PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING IS GOING TO BE THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE EASY ACCESS TO DRUGS AND ALCOHOL

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DRUGS, ALCOHOL, IS MORE PREVALENT THAN YOU ALL THINK.

AND WE CANNOT HAVE THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THESE PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT. THE THIRD THING I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS MY SAFETY. I WALK THESE STREETS OF AUBURN.

DONAHUE. THE STREET IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND HURRIEDLY, THERE ARE CARS PARKED ON THE SIDEWALK.

SO I'M ALREADY HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY SAFETY BECAUSE I HAVE TO GET IN THE ROAD INSTEAD OF WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK BUCKET, NOW, WE GET ALL THESE CONDOS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PARKING ON THE STREET, THERE WILL BE A PLACE TO WALK.

SO I NEED FOR YOU TO CONSIDER MY SAFETY, MY SAFETY AND MY WEL WELFARE, AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY AND WELFARE.

THAT'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW MANY Y'ALL PEOPLE IT'S OLDER, OLDER PEOPLE. THAT'S THERE.

SO CONSIDER ALL THOSE THINGS THAT SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT.

WHAT ABOUT IF I GET SICK? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE STREETS? HAVE YOU MADE SOME KIND OF PROVISIONS FOR THE -- ALL OF THAT TO GET THROUGH? PEOPLE ON THE STREET, THEIR PARKING ON THE STREET.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT -- HELD UP TRYING TO COME GET ME AND GET -- WHAT ABOUT ANY KIND OF -- LIKE I SAID, PARKING, ANY KIND OF SAFETY. STREET LIGHTS, THEY'RE PUSHED WHAT PIKER WAS ABOUT KIDS BLOCKING.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT? IT'S A LOT GOING ON WITH THESE CONDOS. A LOT.

AND IT'S MY SAFETY AND MY WELFARE, AND I HAVE BEEN IN AUBURN 40 PLUS YEARS. AND I'VE ALWAYS PRIDED MYSELF IN ON SAYING AUBURN TAKES CARE OF ITS CITIZENS BECAUSE ANYBODY TALK TO ME ABOUT AUBURN, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. THEY TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS, BUT YOU ALL HAVE GOTTEN ME TO THE POINT WHERE I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED FOR US AS CITIZENS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO CONDOS. THAT'S A BIG LEAP.

THERE WERE PEOPLE WAITING ON THIS, WAITING ON IT.

NOW WE'RE ALL DISAPPOINTED. JUST PLEASE RECONSIDER.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. >> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU.

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN IF YOU HAVE NOT.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> YES, MY NAME IS HAROLD REESE. AND I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MISS PERRY WAS SAYING ABOUT CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS, BESIDE THE STREET I LIVE ON IT'S SUPPOSEDLY COMMERCIAL. THE GOOD DAYS ALREADY BUILT STUDENT HOUSING ACROSS FROM OUR CHURCH ON BOTH SIDES.

ACTUALLY. BUT THE CARS ON BOTH SIDES, RIGHT SIDE GOING DOWN SHOULD BE PRESIDENTIAL.

BUT IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL. IT'S -- GIRLS DORMITORY.

SO YOU GOT FIVE OR SIX THROWS LIVE THERE AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR THE LAST YEAR. AND LIKE SHE SAID, I COULDN'T EVEN -- GET IN MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. AND THAT'S ON 611 PERIOD STREET.

THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN.

ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? SLAUGHTER IS RESERVED.

>> GOOD EVENING. TO YOU, MEMBERS OF THE STATE OF

CARBON. >> CHAIR CAMP: STATE YOUR NAME.

>> MY NAME IS MARY MOORE, I RESIDE AT 425 WEBSTER ROAD.

ALSO HAVE PROPERTY AT 913 SLAUGHTER.

I'M A CITIZEN OF AUBURN. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS.

I PIGGYBACK OVER WHAT ONE OF MY CHURCH MEMBERS SAYS I'VE GROWN UP HERE AND ENJOYING WHERE I LIVE.

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AND THAT WAS TWO YEARS AND I LEFT AUBURN.

AND GUESS WHERE I WENT. TUSCALOOSA.

[LAUGHTER] ANYWAY, I HAD FUN THERE AND I RETURNED HOME BECAUSE MY FATHER GOT SICK AND I HAD TO BE BACK HERE TO HELP MY MOM, AND TAKE CARE OF MY SIBLINGS.

I DID THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A DUE PROCESS TO DO SO.

I GOT A JOB AT THE UNIVERSITY. GOOD JOB.

WORKED WELL. I ENJOYED EVERYBODY THAT I WORKED WITH. SO THEN I STOPPED AND I SAID, WELL, I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET MARRIED AND I'M GOING TO HAVE A CHILD. I GOT TO RAISE HER.

SO I DID. AND I RAISED HIM RIGHT HERE IN AUBURN. FROM ONE COMMUNITY TO ANOTHER.

TOOK THAT VILLAGE TO HELP ME RAISE HIM.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND TO THE POINT THAT WHERE -- AND I DON'T FAULT THE DEVELOPER FOR DOING WHAT HE HAS TO DO TO GO AFTER BUT LOOKING AT THAT PROPERTY, OUT THERE, WHY WAS IT SO ATTRACTIVE? IN A COMMUNITY THAT STUCK LIKE -- STUCK TOGETHER LIKE RICE. AND WE ARE PURPOSELY, TOGETHER TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PROBLEMS. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE BABY IS COMING UP NOW. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT SAID, I TOLD YOU SO. BUT I PRAY THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY.

BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO, INTO YOUR COMMUNITY.

NOT TOWNHOUSES. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ATTRACTED ME TO AS WELL. AND NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME FAMILIES OUT THERE THAT CAN DO IT. IF IT WAS PROCESSED IN THE RIGHT WAY, THAT REVISIONS THAT WAS DONE ON IT -- THAT WAS PUT UP AGAINST IT AND EVERYTHING GOING BACK WITH THE CITY TO DO THIS AND TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THE DEVELOPER HAD A LITTLE HISSY ABOUT -- TOLD ME THAT. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THE FACTS, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE OUTCOME WITH THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ALREADY THERE, AND HOW DOES THIS -- MY QUESTION IS THIS. HOW DOES THIS REVISED PROPOSAL.

WITHIN THE CHARACTER, AND ESTABLISHED PATTERN OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY? WITH YOUR CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN THAT, PLEASE DO SO AND -- TRUE ENOUGH TO SHOW US TRANSPARENCY THAT THIS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE ENOUGH TO GO AHEAD WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN IF YOU

HAVE NOT. >> I.T.

>> CHAIR CAMP: OKAY, GOOD. ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? MY NAME IS ANTHONY.

I RESIDE AT 349 AUBURN, ALABAMA. I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE INTENTION TO EVEN COME UP AND SPEAK WITH YOU ALL TODAY, BUT SITTING IN MY SEAT, BESIDE MY MOTHER, AND A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER MOTHERS THAT HAVE HELPED RAISE ME IN NORTH WEST AUBURN.

I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, UPON HEARING ABOUT THIS AT FIRST, I WAS VERY EXCITED. BUT AFTER REALIZING AND FINDING OUT THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE WHAT A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, HERE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE, WAS SADDENING.

IT REALLY WAS. I'VE PURCHASED MY FIRST HOME IN SALEM HERE. I GREW UP ON DONAHUE.

I WAS VERY PROUD OF THAT BECAUSE I GOT TO STAY HERE, MY HOME.

UNFORTUNATELY, I AM AFRAID THAT WHEN MY KIDS GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL, MOVED OFF TO COLLEGE, AND COME BACK TO AUBURN, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD LIVING HERE.

AND I DO SEE AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE CHANGED. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NO ONE CAN STOP FROM HAPPENING. BUT WHAT FAILED ME WITH THIS CITY IS THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CITY DO WHAT THEY MAKE.

SOME PROMISES TO DO. FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, NORTH WEST AUBURN HAS BEEN SCREAMING AND CRYING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY HAVE.

I'M OLD ENOUGH AND I'M YOUNG ENOUGH TO HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL COME AND GO. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE IN THE

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FINE. IN WAYS THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

BUT I SAID IT TO SAY THAT I'VE WATCHED PEOPLE SIT WHERE YOU ARE IN CITY COUNCIL AND THIS RIGHT HERE AND WHEN WE EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS, WE GET THE HEAD NODDING.

WE GET THAT I UNDERSTAND. WE GET THAT THAT I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. BUT NOT ONCE, NOT ONCE HAVE THEY EVER GOTTEN WHAT THEY DESERVE. AND THAT'S JUST FAIR HOUSING.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CRYING AND BEGGING FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.

AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS. YOU ALL HAVE HEARD THE TESTIMONIES. Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THEM STAND HERE AND CRY ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY JUST WON'T FOR THEM, THEIR FAMILIES, FRIENDS, AND EVERY FOUR YEARS, THEY ARE VERY DISAPPOINTED. AT SOME POINT, YOU GUYS THAT ARE SITTING BEHIND THERE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, ARE WE GOING TO KEEP CONTINUING TO NOD OUR HEADS? AND SAY, YES, I UNDERSTAND? OR IS THERE GOING TO BE A DAY WHEN YOU GUYS MAKE A DECISION THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THESE INDIVIDUALS BACK HERE. REALIZE THAT YOU ALL REALLY DO CARE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I'M A VERY STRONG CITIZEN OF AUBURN. I LOVE AUBURN.

BUT ONE THING THAT I'M STARTING TO FEAR IS THAT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE SITTING BACK HERE REALLY DON'T CARE.

BECAUSE I SEE THE SAME THING EVERY TIME I GO TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING, EVERY TIME I, IN HERE, I SEE THE HEAD NODDING.

I AM AN EVALUATOR I LOOK PEOPLE IN THE EYE.

I WATCH THEIR DEMEANOR. AND WHEN THEY TALK, I PAY ATTENTION. AND I'M TIRED OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS TELLING ME I CARE, MR. WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN. BUT EVERY FOUR YEARS.

THEY RUN ON THE SAME THING. AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

LOW INCOME HOUSING. IN THE PAST 15 YEARS, WHAT HAVE THE CITY DONE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEGGING FOR THAT QUESTION THAT'S ALL WE WANT.

WE WANT SOMEBODY THAT REALLY ACTUALLY DO CARE.

WANTS TO MAKE A CHANGE. THAT IS ALL.

I'M GOING TO KEEP MY HOME IN SALEM HERE.

MY PLAN IS TO MOVE OUT, BUT WE WANT YOU ALL TO CARE.

THAT'S ALL. >> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU.

DON'T FORGET TO SIGN IN. IT'S OVER THERE.

ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH A? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT THE DEVELOPER OR -- AND/OR REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE

QUESTIONS? >> I GUESS, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A

BEFORE -- >> CHAIR CAMP: NEW DON'T HAVE TO

SIGN UP. >> I JUST WANT TO -- SO SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS JUST KIND OF ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ABOUT, IS THE INTENT GOING TO BE REMAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BUT I DO WANT TO VERY CLEAR, ONE, IS NOT THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHETHER IT STAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHETHER IT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A VIABLE PRELIMINARE THAT VERY CLEAR.

AND SO I GUESS KIND OF THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS SAID IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THEM.

AND I THINK JUST KIND OF WHAT'S ON THE TABLE TONIGHT, WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED, TALKING ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE AND ALL THESE OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS. I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, JUST KIND OF WITH THE LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT WHETHER THIS IS THE STATE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NOT, NOT RELEVANT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

>> YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT IN THERE.

YEAH. >> CHAIR CAMP: YES.

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>> MY NAME IS, OWNER AND DEVELOPER.

>> CHAIR CAMP: OKAY. HE'LL PULL IT UP.

SO IT WON'T BE SO -- OKAY. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. BUT THAT'S MORE OF A STAFF THING, I THINK, FOR TRAFFIC STUDY, MR. GRIFFITH.

>> SO BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 70 UNITS IN ORDER TO TRIGGER A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

SO THEY DID NOT MEET THAT THRESHOLD HERE AT SO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS ACCESS OFF OF FOSTER STREET.

CONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR.

THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1500 TO 2,200 VEHICLES PER DAY. SO RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR IN THAT 5,000 VEHICLES PER DAY. THE QUESTIONS THAT FOSTER AND 14 THEY STATED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THESE, DE.

I WAS LOOKING UP ON KIND OF TEXAS AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT HISTORY.

HOW WE GAUGE CAPACITY AT INTERSECTIONS THAT ACCESS THOSE ROADS IS BY DELAY. SO THAT CERTAINLY SOMETHING IN MY OFFICE THAT WE COULD DO AND PROVIDE.

HAVE COLLECTED A COUPLE COMPLAINTS HERE THAT WILL GO AHEAD AND START LOOKING AT. IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT PER DEVELOPMENT COUNT, IF THEY HAD EXCEEDED THAT THRESHOLD, WE COULD HAVE PUT THOSE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE DEVELOPER. BUT SINCE THESE ARE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA THAT ARE MAKING THESE REQUESTS IN PUBLIC FORUM, I'M GOING AHEAD AND TAKING THOSE REQUESTS NOW AND GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THEM SO WE CAN PROVIDE ANSWERS.

WE WILL LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE INTERSECTION OF FOSTER AND MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE AND WHAT THAT WILL BE IS BY MEASURE OF DELAY, AND IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DELAY LIKE FAILURE LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD BE D OR F DURING PEAK HOURS. THAT'S USUALLY BETWEEN SIX TO EIGHT AND 46 EVERY DAY SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EASILY DO.

THAT WAS MENTIONS OF SIDEWALK AND PEOPLE PARKING ON THE SIDEWALK, MIKE? THAT'S IMPACTING TRAFFIC.

THAT'S ACTUALLY AN A.D.A. REQUIREMENT THAT THE SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE RAIN FREE, BUT WE'VE ADDED SIGNAGE AROUND TOWN TO REINFORCE THAT AND WORK WITH THE POLICE SERVICES TO PROVIDE THOSE ARE FREE AND CLEAR. THERE IS A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. I THINK.

THERE WAS A FRAUDSTER STREET SPEED PETITION DONE IN 2012, I BELIEVE, AND SPEED HUMPS WERE INSTALLED FOR THAT STUDY AND APPLICATION, AND ALSO ON SLAUGHTER.

WE DO NOT HAVE A PETITION FOR THAT.

THAT ANYBODY CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST I'LL WALK THAT ROAD, AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT THAT WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND START LOOKING AT TODAY, IF REQUESTED UPON BY THE RESIDENTS.

>> BUT THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE THE TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE OF THE --

>> THE THRESHOLD. THE THRESHOLD.

>> SPEAKING OF THAT, HOW ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ON STREET PARKING AND SEVERAL PEOPLE MENTIONING ABOUT THE CREWS BEING ABLE TO GO IN AND OUT AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THINGS.

>> SO IT WOULD DEPEND, AND THIS IS AN OLDER PART OF TOWN, AND IT MAY NOT CONFORM TO OUR LATEST STANDARDS, BUT OUR RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER REQUIRES 27 FEET OF ASPHALT AND THEN USUALLY ADDITIONAL TWO AND TWO. BUT I'VE SEEN HERE THAT SOME OF THE CURB IS FILLED IN. SO THAT INDICATES TO ME THAT THE STREET MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ORIGINALLY AS WIDE AS WHAT TODAY'S STANDARDS ARE, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY PASS THROUGH FROM THE EMERGENCY SERVICES, IF PEOPLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, IF THEY CANNOT, IF THEY NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 10 TO 12 FEET TO MAKE THAT PASSAGE. SO WE WOULD PROBABLY GO IN AND TRY TO REMEDIATE THAT WITH STRIPING AND PROBABLY ADD NO PARKING OF CERTAIN AREAS. THOSE STREETS DO NOT MEET THOSE CONDITIONS FOR PASSING ALONG THAT STREET.

>> I'D JUST LIKE A POINT OF CLARITY.

I THOUGHT THE QUESTIONS WERE THOSE QUESTIONS -- THE STATEMENTS DOT THAT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH SPACE ON THE STREETS, BUT THAT THOSE ARE EXISTING STREETS, SINCE -- MACRO I GUESS THOSE ARE CONSTRUCTED FOR THIS SUBDIVISION.

SINCE THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED WOULD HAVE THE CURRENT STANDARDS AND HAVE BEEN ALL THOSE COMMENTS WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT EXISTING STREETS IN PROXIMITY TO THE HOOD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. >> I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION, WELL, THERE HAVE TO HAVE. THAT WILL THEY HAVE TO HAVE

SIDEWALKS, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT? >> WE DO.

>> CHAIR CAMP: YOU DO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

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ANY QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS? >> I THINK THIS BODY KNOWS HOW I

FEEL ABOUT SAFETY AND TRAFFIC. >> CHAIR CAMP: YEAH.

>> I PERSONALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD JUST RELY ON ESPECIALLY IN AN AREA LIKE THIS, THAT WE KNOW IS TRAFFIC IS COMPACTED, NOT DRIVEN THROUGH MARTIN LUTHER KING DIFFERENT TIMES, BUT WE HEARD HOW IT IS ON GAME DAY.

WE KNOW THAT'S THE CASE I KNOW THAT'S ONLY SIX OR SEVEN WEEKENDS OF THE YEAR. BUT THIS, TO ME, AND I FEEL SORT OF BAD THAT THIS FIRST CAME TO US OVER A YEAR AGO, I DON'T THINK I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC BECAUSE I PROBABLY LOOKED AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S NEEDED THERE. THIS IS A GOOD DEVELOPMENT.

BUT NOW I LOOK AT IT AND GO, WHY DIDN'T I ASK THE QUESTION, AND THOUGH IT DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD, I THINK THE PROXIMITY SHOULD PLAY INTO THIS. I THINK THE FACT THAT IT COMES DOWN IN THE CORNER MARKET THAT WE KNOW IS A PROBLEM, TRAFFIC.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT. I'M CONCERNED FOR THE SAFETY.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY HAS THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE.

WE HAVE DONE IT RECENTLY ON ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT. I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD AS A CITY SAY THIS ONE NEEDS TO TRAFFIC THE STATE.

WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW LONG THEY'VE WAITED TO GET FROM ONE SECTION TO ANOTHER, WE KNOW THAT THE CITY IS LESS TWO TO FOUR YEARS, IF NOT LONGER CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, THE TRAFFIC IN AREAS NOW IS VERY COMPETITIVE.

AND SO WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THAT.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND CONCERNED THAT I CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY SEE THE SIGN AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL IT'S HARD TO ENFORCE THAT ON GAME DAY, I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

AND OTHER TIMES, AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONSIDER THAT.

AND ZONING ORDINANCES ARE DEVELOPED TO.

LESS CONGESTION ON THE STREETS. SECURITY, SAFETY FOR PANIC.

SO IF WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THAT NOW.

I'M CONCERNED HEADING MINIMUM IF I SAY THIS, NOT MUCH, BUT MINIMUM NUMBER OF CARS GOING TO. AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IN THE CODE THAT IT SAYS THAT REASONABLE CONSIDERATION, AMONG OTHER THINGS, TO THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT FOR A PARTICULAR THIS THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.

I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS ISN'T THE CASE IN THIS PART OF TOWN. IT DOESN'T MEET THE CHARACTER OF

THE AREA. >> IF I COULD JUMP IN, YOU KNOW, THIS BODY DOES A LOT OF LISTENING.

I HAVE OBSERVED THAT IN ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT OF THE THIS BODY DO HAVE PARTICULAR CONCERNS ABOUT ANY DEVELOPMENT. THAT PARTICULARLY THIS ONE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS BODY DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF AUTONOMY A LOT OF DISCRETION IN REVIEWING A PRELIMINARY PATH, AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS DONE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ITSELF HAS DONE PIKER THAT'S BECAUSE OF STATE LAW, AND PARTICULARLY THE ALABAMA SUPREME COURT HAS FOR MANY YEARS, IN FACT, THE FIRST DECISION THAT I COULD FIND ABOUT THIS PARTICULARLY RELATED TO A PLANNING COMMISSION'S REVIEW OF A -- ON OF WHETHER IT FITS THE CHARACTER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS FROM 1979 SO IT'S ALMOST 50 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND THIS IS A CASE FROM ALABAMA SUPREME COURT, SMITH VERSUS MOBIL, AND THIS IS WHAT IT SAID. THE DEVELOPMENT IN ISSUE WAS CALLED ARDEN'S COURT. AND IN THAT CASE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS DENIED THAT A SUBDIVISION PLAN.

IN REVIEWING THAT, THE ALABAMA SUPREME COURT SAID THIS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL OF THE APPROVAL OF ARDEN'S COURT ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT WAS "OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE OTHER COURTS IN THE AREA." WAS UNRELATED TO THE PERFORMANCE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S OWN REGULATIONS AND EXCEEDED ITS

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THERE'S NOT THE CITY COUNCIL'S WORDS.

THAT'S WHAT THE ALABAMA SUPREME COURT HAS SAID.

AND SO THIS COMMISSION, BASED ON THAT, PRESIDENT CANNOT DENY THE PLANETARY PLANT JUST BECAUSE IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE

OTHER LOTS AROUND IT. >> THANKS.

>> BUT TOWNHOMES THIS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING.

COMPARED TO COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT SURROUNDS I

MEAN,. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, AND SO TO ME, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY SAID THIS PARTICULAR PLOT, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE CONTEXT OF THAT PARTICULAR KIND OF JUDGMENT. AND SO TO ME, THE TOWNHOME ISSUE IS A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. IT IS STATED IN THE GUIDELINES THAT WE CAN USE COMPATIBILITY AS AN ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW THE FACTS OF THAT PARTICULAR CASE.

SO IT'S OUT OF THE CONTEXT FOR ME.

BUT THESE TOWNHOMES, THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND JUST OUT OF CHARACTER, IT DOESN'T.

IT JUST DOESN'T. >> SO WE RUN INTO THIS IN A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT AREAS, AND I THINK WE'RE KIND OF IN THE THROES OF THAT ACROSS SEVERAL PLACES IN TOWN.

SO THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THE DW.

SO THE REDEVELOPMENT WAS AND THEN THIS YELLOW.

THAT'S JUST KIND OF THIS BIG DEARTH OF INCOME.

IT'S NOT RD. IT IS NRD.

AND SO THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD REDEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WE RUN INTO OFTENTIMES WHERE WE HAVE THIS HODGEPODGE OF KIND OF WHAT'S EXISTED FOR A VERY LONG TIME VERSUS ONCE THERE'S THE FIRST CRACK AT SOMETHING THAT COMES IN THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO A LOT OF THE THINGS OF, HOW WAS ALL THIS HERE, AND I THINK FRANK IS PROBABLY THE EXAMPLE OF KIND OF EVERYTHING GOING ON FOR WITH THIS INDUSTRIAL POWER.

THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL -- THERE'S TOWNHOMES THERE'S OLDER HOUSES, AND THEN THERE'S MODERN HOUSE GOING IN.

ALL IN 13. PERIOD THE.

SO I THINK KIND OF TO THAT POINT, AND I THINK KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, NORTH WAS OFTEN PLAN THAT WENT IN WITH THIS THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT.

AD NAUSEAM AND NEIGHBORHOOD REDEVELOPMENT, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE WONDERED AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY ADDRESS ON THE ZONING REWRITE, AND GOT SOME THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, NOT THAT THIS IS NOT CONDITIONAL USE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE AN EXEMPT OR SPECIAL EXEMPTION.

THESE ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT USES AND SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT PERMITTED BY RIGHT MEANS AND KIND OF WHAT'S IMPLICIT ON THAT IS THAT THIS IS A PROTOTYPE THAT WE WANT HERE, PROVIDED YOU MEET THESE STANDARDS, NOT CONDITIONS. STANDARDS.

AND SO THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AND KIND OF THE PLANS, ENGINEER PLANS AND ALL THIS, IF SOMEONE WERE TO MEET -- THOSE ZONING ORDINANCE AND PERMITTED RIGHT DESIGNATION AND IMPLIES THAT YOU ARE MEETING WHAT WE WANT.

AND I THINK IT KIND OF THAT. I AGREE TOWNHOMES KIND OF DEVIATE FROM WHAT'S AROUND THERE, BUT I THINK IN AREAS OF REDEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH SOME OF THAT FRICTION, AS THINGS WE DEVELOP AS THINGS CHANGE, BUT LIKE, I GUESS KIND OF ON TRACK, AND SO IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF KIND OF SOME OF

OUR REDEVELOPMENT ZONES. >> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS THAT -- SO ARE YOU THEN SAYING THAT TOWNHOMES ARE IN PERMITTED BY

RIGHT? >> ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HE DEEMS

NECESSARY FROM WHAT WAS ASKED? >> YEAH, CERTAINLY.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER OF WHAT WAS ASKED FROM THE --

>> THAT WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS, I APOLOGIZE.

WE HAVE -- >> THAT YOU FELT LIKE YOU NEED TO ANSWER OR GIVE INFORMATION FOR OR MAYBE YOUR ATTORNEY, THE DEVELOPER OR ENGINEER, I SHOULD SAY WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER?

>> LIKE CAN YOU START WITH TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR WHY THEY DIDN'T GO

THROUGH. >> SURE.

SO I BUILT THIS PROPERTY AND HAD PLANS TO DO TOWNHOMES.

BECAUSE WE TOOK IT TO PLANNING AND THEY WANTED US.

THEY TALKED TO US ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO IN FACT, >> : SO YOU COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. CAME UP WITH SOME CALCULATIONS AND SAID THAT WE COULD DO IT. WE TOOK OFF FROM THERE, AND WE WENT INTO A HARD TIME WITH THAT TIMING AND SOUTHERN CROSS HAVE

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UP TO A HOUSING LAWSUIT DIFFERENT, TIE.

THEY SAID COMMUNITY. TO SELL THESE TWO.

ONE PARTICULAR COMMITTEE RESIDENT BECAUSE THEN FLEW TO BE SUED. BASED ON THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.

SO THAT KIND OF PLAYED INTO IT AND IT PUT US INTO A BAD SPOT.

BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THIS BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD TRIED TO MAKE THIS THING WORK.

WHEN MEETING. WE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH.

LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS THAT CAN VARY IN STATE OF ESTABLISHMENTS, IN MAKE IT TOUGH TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

IF I GO AND BUILD THESE HOUSES, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SEES ME FOR I'M TRYING TO SELL THESE TO A TARGET AUDIENCE, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SEES ME. THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE HOUSE ANYWAY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO TRY TO BUY THESE ARE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE GOING TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL BACKING. SO THAT WOULD REALLY HURT US IN TERMS OF TRYING TO MAKE THESE CALCULATIONS WORK AND MAKE IT A VIABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

>> I'LL ADD TO THAT. THAT I'LL PIGGYBACK ON THE COMMENTS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, AND HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT THE EFFORT WAS COLLABORATIVE. AND HAS CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MR. ROBINSON'S ATTORNEY.

THE FINAL SOLUTION AND CANNOT FIND ONE.

SERVICES. AGAIN, NOT THE FAILURE OF INTENT SETTING STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION AND.

THIS I HAVE TWO DEVELOPMENT, QUESTIONS, BUT HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE IN THESE TOWNHOMES? SPEAKING WITH THE ONES THAT ARE EXISTING BECAUSE OF THERE'S ONE THAT'S A THREE BEDROOM AND DID NOT HAVE VARIANCE THAT JUSTICE MENTIONED.

THERE'S A THREE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOMS THAT ARE ALREADY BOUGHT TO QUESTIONS ABOUT ARE THEY GOING TO BE TWO'S COMPANY THREE'S, WE HAVE A 4%? WE DIDN'T SPEND THAT MONEY TO GET AN ARCHITECT TO GO THROUGH THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS FRESH.

>> THIS IS PRELIMINARY. >> AND AS I SAID, A LOT OF MONEY, HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT. SO THEY NEED TO SEE YOUR

DECISION. >> CHAIR CAMP: WELL, CAN YOU ANSWER THIS ONE. WELL, THEY HAVE BACKYARDS?

>> THEY WILL HAVE BACKYARDS. >> CHAIR CAMP: THANK YOU.

>> AND I BELIEVE THAT. >> AND I BELIEVE ANOTHER PERSON THAT I THINK IS THAT HAS THAT WE ASKED ABOUT THE TREES IN DEFENSE AND TO HER PROPERTY THE BUFFERING IN ALL TO DEATH.

I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER --

>> WELL, WE'VE TALKED TO A FEW DIFFERENT PROJECTED PROPERTY OWNERS, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO AVOID THAT WE CAN THERE'S BEEN A LOT GOING ON AND WITH THE WAY THINGS CHANGE.

>> JUST BE IN TUNE TO THAT ANOTHER --

>> BUILDING FENCES IN SO. >> AND ANOTHER I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE FOR PURCHASE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOLD I KNOW ANOTHER PERSON HAD MENTIONED THAT.

>> WE'LL BE SOLD. SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THE PRICE OF. BECAUSE WE COULD NOT HAVE.

EXCUSE ME. PLEASE BE QUIET.

>> WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT HOUSE SCIENCES.

HOW MANY BEDROOM BATHROOMS. SO WE CAN'T FACTOR THAT.

>> OKAY. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, IF YOU WERE TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IT DIRECTLY VIOLATES FAIR HOUSING.

>> IF I SAY I'M GOING TO SELL YOU A HOUSE FOR 200,000 COACH, I CAN ALLOCATE THAT HOUSE TO ONE SPECIFIC GROUP.

I CAN'T SELL IT TO WHO I WANT TO.

I HAVE TO SELL THOSE TO OPEN MARKET.

WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS DEPLETION, THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY

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>> YEAH, SO PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN'T -- IT CAN'T GO TO A TARGET AUDIENCE. THERE CAN'T BE AN EXCLUSION OF OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS, WHETHER THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS BE STUDENTS OR NOT QUALIFIED FROM AN AFFORDABILITY PERSPECTIVE.

IF IT IS BOUND BY STANDARDS AND ANYBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUY -- EVEN IF THEY DO NOT NECESSARILY QUALIFY BUT NOT OF THOSE THINGS WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ASSESS THAT AND RESTRICT IT TO, I

GUESS, THE DEMOGRAPHIC. >> SO THE REALITY IS, IF YOU MAKE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I PERSONALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE ALL OF THEM. I COULD DO THAT, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO YOU WOULD BE INTENDED FOR THESE TO BE PURCHASE.

STILL WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUY THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD ALL BEEN GOBBLED UP. AND YOU CAN'T LEGALLY KEEP

ANYONE FROM DOING THAT >> BASED ON THE FAIR HOUSING ACT I CAN'T DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN THE TWO.

A BUYER IS A BUYER SO IF I TELL THIS PERSON, I CAN SELL IT FOR THIS MUCH, I CAN GO TO THIS PERSON AND SAY, YOU CAN BUY IT

FOR THAT NUMBER. >> AND YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE BECAUSE THAT PERSON ISN'T ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S NOT

-- >> YES, AND.

>> SO IN THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE THINK ABOUT APPLYING FOR GRANTS AND GOING THROUGH MORE TRADITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT WAS DISCUSSED YES. AND --

>> WHAT HAPPENED. >> WE COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THE FRONT END ON THAT.

OKAY. >> SO TO FURTHER CLARIFY, AS A BODY, 7: TONIGHT, THE EARLY BOUND TO ONLY -- WE HAVE NO

PLAN. >> WHICH IS ANOTHER PART.

IF IT MEETS ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS.

>> CHAIR CAMP: CORRECT. SO FROM A LOT SIZE, THAT IS TRUE. YEAH.

>> IF I MAY, I ASK MY LEGAL COUNSEL TO COME AND EXPLAIN THIS? A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK

IT'S NECESSARY. >> YEAH.

BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS KIND OF DEVOLVED INTO. I THINK THEY'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS REALLY ISN'T THE FORM FOR THAT.

THIS IS THE FORM THAT IS CONSIDERING A -- I HAVE QUESTIONS I HAVE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE -- AND I CAN ANSWER THAT, BUT I THINK KIND OF THE QUESTIONS AND I THINK SOME OF THE PUBLIC MAY BE GETTING AT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING BETWEEN THE PUBLIC DEVELOPER AND I'M NOT THAT OFTEN DIDN'T WANT TO ABROGATE THE DEVELOPER TO THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THAT MEDIUM OR THE FORUM FOR THAT.

THAT'S IN MY POSITION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> I WANT TO MAKE ONE, ALONG THOSE LINES.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN ISSUE HERE.

THIS CITY NEEDS TO DO AND THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT.

I'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT. BUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO GOT TO GET TOGETHER AND START SEEING PEOPLE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE CITY COUNCIL TALK AT EVERY MEETING.

SHOW UP AND GIVE YOUR IDEAS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU CAN'T FIX THAT PROBLEM IN THIS FORM, BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT. YOU JUST GOT TO KEEP PLUGGING AWAY AT IT. KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS, KEEP, HERE AND ASKING US QUESTIONS. YOU'RE HEARING FROM ME HERE IN THIS CAN GET OUT. IT'S RECORDED YOU CAN GO WATCH IT ON TV. YOU CAN GET YOUR FRIEND.

>> I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE -- FURTHER OUR BUSINESS HERE. AND THAT IS MR. COTTON, WOULD YOU PLEASE FOR THE PUBLIC. TELL THEM WHAT AN IS FOR AS FAR AS FAMILY, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS?

>> GREAT QUESTION. REDEVELOPMENT, EXCUSE ME,.

>> TO THE WEST OF DONAHUE. >> SO NEIGHBORHOOD REDEVELOPMENT IS INTENDED FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE'S A DISTINCTION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT FOR ALL NEIGHBORHOOD REDEVELOPMENT. IT IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED, LIMITED TO THE DEFINITION THAT IT IS TO UNRELATED.

SO JUST OFF THE BAT REALLY DOES KIND OF CANCEL OUT STUDENT HOUSING I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS OF WITH TOWNHOUSES, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT POSSIBLE HERE.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REPORTED IN THE CITY WOULD VIGOROUSLY. GET TO THE BOTTOM TWO PRETTY

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>> NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL. WE BOTH ARE LOOKING AT THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE FINAL PLAT.

AND SO WHAT IS OUR LATITUDE ON THE FINAL PLAT?

>> IT'S THE SAME. IT DOESN'T MEET THAT REGULATIONS

OR WHATNOT. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE THAT THIS IS FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS CASE TO A 018. FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

SO IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR COMMENTS.

OH, I NEED A MOTION. >> I DIDN'T WANT TO GET ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, YEAH, SO I GUESS JUST KIND OF OFF THE TOP AND JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN STILL BE FOR SALE SO ALL OF THESE ARE PRETTY SIMPLE.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THEY CAN BE PURCHASED.

WALKING DISTANCE, FROM HAVING TO WALK THE STREET FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT IS THE SCHOOL'S POLICY, NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CONTROLS, BUT I DO THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO, LIKE ONCE WE GET THAT FAR, PLANS AND THE COUNT AND ALL THAT FIGURE OUT, WE WILL NEED TO KIND OF COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BUFFER YARDS ARE.

THAT WOULD BE FURTHER CONVERSATION.

THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVELY INTERNALLY THAT WILL HANDLE, AND SO FOR IF ONE THE AUDIENCE.

THAT WILL ADDRESS EVERYTHING FROM TREES TO FENCES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS SHIFTED WHEN WE WENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING TO TOWNHOMES.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT AND KIND OF LOOKING AT IT. THAT'S A LOT OF IT KIND OF TOUCHING A SIMILAR DENSITIES AND INTENSITIES.

IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE ON THE INTERNAL STUFF.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE CAN FIGURE OUT, JUST KIND OF ATTEND TO HOW MANY PARKING PLANTS IT WOULD NEED FOR A LOT OF.

SO I JUST ADDRESSED THE STUDENTS AND STRICT FAMILY DEFINITION IN THIS AREA. ONCE AGAIN, CHARACTER IS SOMETHING THAT GETS LOCKED IN REDEVELOPMENT AREAS, KIND OF LIKE OUR CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT AREAS.

AND ALSO KIND OF THIS AREA AS WELL.

I'M OKAY, AND ALSO SEEING THAT ALSO.

OCCUR AND SOME PEOPLE WHO KIND OF MENTIONED THAT THE CAR IS PARKED ON THE STREET. AND SO WE'VE HEARD FROM STREET AND SO. STREET HAS COME UP, WHETHER IT'S BEEN REZONING APPLICATIONS, AND ALSO BEEN CONDITIONAL USES OVER THERE. THAT IS NOT ON THIS PART OF TOWN. AND I GUESS ALSO I MENTIONED EARLIER, JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

NOT REALLY THE PURVIEW OF THIS BODY.

MICHAEL CITY ENGINEER ADDRESSED THAT PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD BE THE CITY SO CITIZENS CAN REQUEST THAT THE CITY COME AND SEE IS PEOPLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, IF IT NEEDS TO BE, IF ONE SIDE NEEDS TO BE THAT IT DOES NEED PARKING THERE.

AND TRAFFIC COMING CAN BE REQUESTED.

AND THEY DO WANT TO PROVIDE CLARITY.

SO INITIALLY THERE ARE THREE FRANCIS REQUESTED ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PLAT. TO GRANTED.

SO THERE WAS A.I. WANT TO SAY IT WAS.

I SAW IS WHAT WAS DENIED. THE OTHER TWO WERE A LOT WITH AND A LOT MINIMUM OF THOSE TWO WERE GRANTED.

AND THAT THEY HAD THE CONDITION. SO ALSO IT WAS ALSO SEEN THAT IN THE PUBLISHING THAT THE TOWNHOMES WERE DENIED NOT ON THIS SITE THE SITE WAS VACANT BEFORE THIS PIKER IF ANYONE REMEMBERS. I THINK IT DOESN'T SHOW, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS VACANT LAND.

SO THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS EVER PROPOSED BEFORE, THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE. THIS USE OF DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IT'S IN THE PACKET. JUST KIND OF WHAT THE HISTORY OF THE SITE. AND SO WE PERVASIVE STUDENT PURCHASES. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M PRIVY TO, I THINK MORE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY IN TOWN, I THINK IS HOW PERVASIVE STUDENTS PURCHASING HOUSES ACROSS THE CITY. THE STUDENTS LIVE IN A YOUTH CLUB, AND STUDENTS WHO LIVED DOWNTOWN, A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES. I DON'T LIVE IN MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE AND SO I THINK ANY NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOWN STUDENTS HAVE MONEY AND THEY CAN. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.

THE STUDENTS FAMILIES PURCHASE A HOUSE ANYWHERE IN TOWN.

THEY LIVE ANYWHERE IN TOWN SO THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE REALITIES OF LIVING IN COLLEGE, IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, TACOS, AND SO STREET WITH, LIKE I SAID. A LOT OF PLACES THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED ABOUT COMPLAINTS, THOSE ARE EXISTING STREETS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. CURRENT STREETS WERE BUILT TWO

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THIS IS STRICTLY FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE FINAL PLAT, AND THEN ALSO, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS.

THAT WE GOT TO ADDRESS, BUT THAT'S REALLY IT.

THERE'S NOTHING CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH ANYTHING FOR THAT. SO NEIGHBORHOOD REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT IS NORTHWEST AU AUBURN.

>> COMMISSIONER MOSELEY: AND THEN AS FAR AS STREET WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ONE OF THE TOWNHOMES IS THAT THEY'RE ALL PARKING MUST BE ON THE A LOT FOR PARKING FOR RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF AUBURN, NOT IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO PRETTY MUCH IF YOU HAVE AFTER PARKING OUTSIDE, PARKING, THAT MEANS YOU'RE DOWNTOWN SOMEWHERE IN IT IS A SPECIFIED AGREEMENT.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN IN RD RESIDENTIAL PARKING WILL NEED TO BE ON ITS LOT. SO STREET PARKING IS NOT REALLY A SEED FOR THE CITY ORDINANCE WHERE YOU'VE GOT 70 TO HOURS, BUT THAT'S A CITY ORDINANCE. BUT IF WE HAVE ISSUES WITH YOU CAN REPORT THAT. PARKING ON SITE.

DOESN'T GET TO THAT. AND THEN TOWNHOMES ON THE RIGHT.

I THINK I ALREADY SAID THAT IN THE LINE WAS THEY CAN TAKE THE OTHER THING. THE STRETCH OF HOUSES NOT TOO FAR FROM THE SUBDIVISION THAT THE CITY WOULD BUILD.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE INQUEST AND OTHER THINGS THAT'S BEEN CONTINUED FRUSTRATION FOR THE CITY, AND I THINK THAT DEPARTMENT WHERE WE HAD ADVOCATED TO BUILD MORE PICKET WE APPROACH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, AND PEOPLE WOULD NOT SELL US LAND, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSTANTLY RUN INTO.

SO THAT HAS BEEN A FOCUS FOR THE CITY.

THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE EXECUTED IN THE PAST THAT WE ARE TRYING TO NOW THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD SUCCESS CONVINCING PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SELL THEM LAND FOR THE CITY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE DEFINITION. THAT MUST BE EXPECTED FROM.

SO I THINK THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.

AND I THINK IT KIND OF AS FAR AS JUST A THRESHOLD ON PART, ON TRAFFIC STUDIES, I GUESS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT BESIDES THE EMANUEL IT KEEPS COMING UP. I DID JUST WANT TO TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THERE IS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT ANY PUBLIC

HEARING. >> ALBRIGHT COMMISSIONERS NEED A

MOTION. >> OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE CASE PP2026-018. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I.

ANY OPPOSED. >> NO.

[4. Final Plat – Slaughters Reserve ]

>> NO. >> ALL RIGHT, NEXT WILL BE THE FINAL PLAT, WHICH IS 206-017. I NEED A MOTION PLEASE.

>> YES SO I GUESS WE COULD JUST MAKE A.

>> JUST WAIT.

>> CHAIR CAMP: ALREADY. >> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT, APPROVAL FOR THE LOT PERFORMANCE SUBDIVISION FOR THE TWO TOWNHOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY LOTS LIKE I SAID, I THINK PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING OUTSTANDING WITH THIS IS THAT THIS SHIFT FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING TO TOWNHOMES, TWIN HOMES.

THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE DILIGENCE ON OUR END. TO SEE THE FLOOR PLANS AND HOWEVER MUCH PROJECT THEY HAVE ON SITE CAN SUPPORT THE AMOUNT OF BEDROOMS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE BUFFER YARDS.

I THINK THE INTERNAL PORTION OF THE.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS TO PICK UP THERE'S OPEN SPACE THAT THEY DO HAVE, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO AVERAGE A PIKER.

I'M NOT REALLY THAT CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

AND THOSE ARE JUST THE NUANCES IN BETWEEN THAT WE'LL HAVE TO

ADDRESS. >> THIS IS GOING TO BE DOT.

>> YES, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A PIVOT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

I THINK WE'VE KIND OF ADDRESSED THE LIKE I SAID, FOR THEM, THEY ALREADY HAD AN APPROVED RECORDED THAT WENT THROUGH THE I.T. PLANS AND EVERYTHING. SO THIS IS A SHIFT KIND OF IN

[02:05:02]

AND SO TALKING TO ENGINEERING AND WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT.

THAT RENT A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES KIND OF FROM THAT LOT STANDPOINT, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS SUCH AN EASY PIVOT FROM THEM TO A LOT OF THE CHANGES RESULTED FROM US WITH PLANNING, LIKE I SAID, I THINK ON SAID BACKS PARKING LOT PARKING AND THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THOSE NUANCES ARE THINGS THAT WE GOT TO WORK OUT. BUT I OF THAT, LIKE I SAID.

CAME FORWARD ON THE PLAT COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING.

IRON THOSE OUT. >> JUST IF I COULD ADD MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT. ALL THIS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS BUILT AND HAS BEEN EXHIBITED BY THE CITY.

WE HAVE A PERFORMANCE ON, ON THE COMPLETION OF LIKE ANY OTHER FINAL PLAT, JUST PAINTED ON THE UNITS THAT WE BE PUTTING ON THE

SIZE. >> AND THAT.

>> CHAIR CAMP: PITCHING IS BECAUSE CURRENTLY PROCESS STANDPOINT, WE DO GO THROUGH I.T. BEFORE IT GOES TO FINAL.

AND. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE I HEARD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT BEDROOMS WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN HERE, AND THAT JUST FEELS TO

ME -- >> RIGHT, AND LIKE I SAID, THOSE ARE REALLY PLANNING THINGS SO THE OTHER TWO, LIKE SITE PLAN AND THEN THE ENGINEERING AND SEVERAL PLANS.

SO THAT'S TO SUBTERRANEAN STUFF AND THE SUBTERRANEAN STUFF NOT CHANGING, AND THAT'S WHY THE ROADS AND ALL THAT IS ALREADY

IN. >> OKAY.

THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FOR? >> NO, WE DID NOT PICK.

OKAY, WE NEED A MOTION. OH,.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED. >> NO.

>> NO. >> CHAIR CAMP: OKAY.

[5. Extension of Conditional Use Approval – Shelton Mill, Phase 4 ]

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> NEXT WE HAVE USE APPROVAL.

FOR SHELTON PHASE FOUR. >> ALL RIGHT THE EXTENSION OF CONDITIONAL USE. SO YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUESTED ROUGHLY BY YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

SAID TO EXPIRE IN NOVEMBER. THIS IS THE SAME OWNER THAT CAME THROUGH WITH THE TOWNHOMES TO THIS AND THEY BASICALLY SAID COMMITTED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SHRINK THOSE INPUTS THAT NEW TOWNHOMES. AND WHEN THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PORTION, THEY STOPPED.

SO THEY COULD INCLUDE THE TOWNHOME PORTION AS IN THEIR FINANCING THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THEIR PLANS AND THEY'RE JUST GOING OUT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO START A CONSTRUCTION FOR ALL OF THEM. THEY'VE RESTARTED THAT THAT PROCESS, AND SO IT'S NEVER BEEN A SITUATION WHERE THEY PUT IT ON THE DUE DILIGENCE OR THEY WEREN'T WORKING ON IT.

LIKE I SAID, I THINK THEY WERE ACTIVELY WORKING ON REDEVELOPING THE WHOLE AREA AND KIND OF BEAUTIFYING THEIR HOUSING STOCK IT'S JUST IT'S A BIGGER PROJECT THAN INITIALLY.

SO THEY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE EXEMPTION FROM THE SIX-MONTH EXTENSION. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT THE SITE PLAN, YEAH. I.T.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS. , MOTIONS? MOVE TO APPROVE CASE, C 2025-011.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION OF THE WAIVER FOR SHELTER.

MILL, PHASE FOUR. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I.

>> I. >> CHAIR CAMP: ANY OPPOSED?

ANY OTHER BUSINESS? >> I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

>> I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. STAFF.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> GOOD.

>> MOTION TO DISMISS. >> TO ADJOURN.

>> EXCUSE ME. >> CHAIR CAMP: MOTION TO ADJOURN. A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

OF.

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