ALL RIGHT. WE WILL ADJOURN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. AND AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR NOVEMBER THE 3RD CALL TO ORDER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR NOVEMBER [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:09] 3RD, 2026. WE CERTAINLY WELCOME ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE JOINED US HERE THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING ON A ANY, OR THEY'RE WATCHING THROUGH OUR STREAMING SERVICES WITH THE ROLL CALL. LINDSAY ADAMS HERE. KOBLENZ HERE. DAWSON HERE. MILINKOVICH HERE, HERE. PARSONS HERE. TAYLOR WITTEN HERE, HERE. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AS WELL AS A MOMENT OF SILENCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. PLEASE BE SEATED. THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING OF THE [4. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS.] MONTH. AND SO WE WILL EXCITED TO RECOGNIZE OUR EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH, AS WELL AS OUR OTHER OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEES WITH THEIR SERVICE RECOGNITIONS. WE'RE PROUD TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NOVEMBER EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH. I HAVE A MEMORANDUM HERE FROM PHILLIP DUNLAP, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF AUBURN. IT IS MY HONOR TO NOMINATE MIKE BROGAN AS EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH. MIKE JOINED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IN 2015 AS THE INDUSTRIAL TECHNOLOGY INSTRUCTOR. MIKE'S PRIMARY FUNCTION IS PARTNERING WITH AUBURN CITY SCHOOLS ON OUR INDUSTRIAL TECHNOLOGY AND PRECISION MACHINING PROGRAM AT AUBURN HIGH SCHOOL. THIS PROGRAM PROVIDES STUDENTS WITH KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS FOR CAREERS IN ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL MAINTENANCE, ELECTRONICS, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, PRECISION MACHINING, AND ROBOTICS. MIKE HAS SHOWN COMMITMENT BY TEACHING AND DEVELOPING STUDENTS SKILL SETS, PREPARING THEM TO HAVE CAREER OPPORTUNITIES UPON GRADUATION. HE RECENTLY CREATED AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM IN PRECISION MACHINING. THROUGHOUT THE SPRING SEMESTER, STUDENTS ATTENDED TRADITIONAL CLASSES THREE DAYS A WEEK, WHILE SPENDING THE REMAINING TWO DAYS GAINING REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE WITH PARTICIPATING AUBURN INDUSTRY PARTNERS. IN ADDITION TO INDUSTRY INTERNSHIPS, STUDENTS PARTICIPATED IN SPECIALIZED WORKFORCE TRAINING TO ACHIEVE ACCREDITATIONS IN FORKLIFT AND OSHA. TEN SAFETY TRAININGS. THE COMBINATION OF THE ON THE JOB LEARNING AND INDUSTRY RECOGNIZED CERTIFICATIONS GIVE STUDENTS A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT, TECHNICAL EDUCATION, AND CAREER SUCCESS AFTER GRADUATION. THIS PROGRAM WAS RECENTLY RECOGNIZED AND AWARDED THE STATE OF ALABAMA'S DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE AND OFFICE OF APPRENTICESHIP APPRENTICESHIPS WORK BASED LEARNING BEST PRACTICE AWARD. THE PROGRAM WAS ONE OF 20 RECIPIENTS TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD OUT OF HUNDREDS OF APPLICANTS ACROSS THE STATE OF ALABAMA. THE PROGRAM HAS ALSO BEEN NOMINATED FOR A SEAL OF EXCELLENCE EXCELLENCE AWARD, AND WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE GOVERNOR AS ONE OF SIX PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, DEMONSTRATING BEST PRACTICES FOR CONNECTING STUDENTS TO INDUSTRY AND DEVELOPING AUBURN'S WORKFORCE FOR THE FUTURE. MIKE IS AN EXCELLENT ASSET TO THE CITY OF AUBURN AND THE AUBURN COMMUNITY, AND FOR THESE REASONS, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MIKE AS THE EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH. THANK YOU MIKE. GREAT JOB MAN. CONGRATULATIONS TO MIKE BROGAN BEING RECOGNIZED AS OUR EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH. WE APPRECIATE HIS HARD WORK, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES WHO RECOGNIZED WITH THEIR SERVICE AWARDS. THANK YOU FOR DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN SERVING THE CITIZENS OF AUBURN. EARLIER TONIGHT, DURING THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS POSTPONED THE APPOINTMENT FOR THE BUILDING BOARD AND ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS. WE WILL MOVE THAT UNTIL NOVEMBER 17TH AND TO REOPEN THE PORTAL. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION OVER QUALIFICATION. THAT BOARD HAS A SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS THAT ITS MEMBERS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ON THE TREE COMMISSION. THE CITY COUNCIL REAPPOINTED ANN RANDALL AND ALICE BUCHANAN AND THEN APPOINTED BOB PARKER TO SERVE ON THE TREE COMMISSION, [00:05:07] AND WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE DOUG HANKS FOR HIS TIME AND TERM ON THE TREE COMMISSION. CITY COUNCIL ALSO APPOINTED DEBBIE BAGWELL TO HER FIRST TERM ON THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO STACY GILES, WHO SERVED TWO FULL TERMS AND DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ON OUR PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT HAS APPLIED FOR ANY OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. PARKS AND REC PARTICULARLY HAD SOME OUTSTANDING APPLICANTS. IT WAS A VERY TOUGH DECISION. PLEASE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY ON OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR SUBMITTING YOUR NAME. CONTINUING ON WITH OUR WITH OUR AGENDA, COUNCILMAN DAWSON RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RENAME THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER FOR CAPTAIN ROGER BROOKSHIRE. CITY COUNCIL HAS AGREED WITH THAT AND WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION ON OUR NEXT MEETING ON NOVEMBER THE 17TH TO CONSIDER DOING JUST THAT. UNDER MAYOR'S ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT, I WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO KIRSTEN. KIRSTEN, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY IN THIS WAY. AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. WELCOME TO YOUR FIRST MEETING AND ALL THE BEST. I WANT TO SAY OUR PRAYERS, THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO TO THE PEOPLE OF SMITHS STATION. MAYOR RICHARD COOLEY PASSED AWAY SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. HE WAS A FINE, GOOD MAN WHO CAME INTO OFFICE DURING A VERY, VERY CHALLENGING, DIFFICULT SITUATION IN SMITHS STATION. HE KEPT HE KEPT IT CALM IN THAT COMMUNITY AND REALLY DID A NICE JOB AND WAS REELECTED AND PASSED AWAY. SURPRISINGLY SO. THANK YOU, MAYOR COOLEY, FOR DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. YOU'RE AN OUTSTANDING PARTNER, AND OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE GOOD PEOPLE OF SMITHS STATION. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT FOR ALLOWING ME TO PARTICIPATE JUST A LITTLE BIT IN THE SUGAR BOWL THIS PAST SATURDAY. HANDING OUT TROPHIES TO EXCITING YOUNG MEN IS A LOT OF FUN, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING THAT A SPECIAL EVENT FOR OUR CHILDREN. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF AND WHO HELPED WITH THE STATE OF THE CITY LAST WEEK. YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. IT WAS AN OUTSTANDING PROGRAM THAT IS CERTAINLY ARCHIVED ON THE CITY'S STREAMING SERVICES. I ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO GO BACK AND WATCH THAT AS WE CELEBRATE THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THIS COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS, AND SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE ARE HOPING TO ACHIEVE OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. AND FIVE REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR EFFORTS TO MAKE AUBURN A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT WORKED ON THE ALZHEIMER'S WALK THIS PAST SUNDAY. CERTAINLY APPRECIATE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY TEAM FOR PROTECTING ALL OF THOSE WALKERS. THERE WAS IT WAS THE LARGEST CROWD THEY EVER HAD. THEY HAD RAISED RIGHT AT $100,000 WHEN THE WALK BEGAN ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON. VERY PASSIONATE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO FIND A CURE FOR THIS HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE DISEASE. THIS PAST FRIDAY, I WANT TO I'D SAY THANK YOU TO TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR HELPING ME HOST THE MEMBERS OF THE MADISON, ALABAMA STAFF THAT CAME DOWN, INCLUDING MAYOR RENEE BARTLETT WHO WAS IN HER FIRST TERM IN HER FIRST YEAR AS THE MAYOR OF MADISON, ALABAMA. IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TO SHARE IDEAS AND TALK ABOUT THE THINGS WE'RE DOING HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON IN MADISON, ALABAMA, WHICH IS A GREAT GROWING COMMUNITY. RIGHT BETWEEN HUNTSVILLE AND FLORENCE. I ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE YOUNG FARMERS OF AUBURN UNIVERSITY RECENTLY. CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT FARMING AND WANT TO MAKE THAT THEIR CAREER CHOICE. IT WAS A GOOD TIME THAT EVENING AND I APPRECIATE THEM HAVING ME OVER THIS COMING FRIDAY, WE GET TO HAVE ANOTHER GREAT GROUNDBREAKING FOR ANOTHER COMPANY THAT HAS CHOSEN OUR COMMUNITY VOCAL FLEX. WE'RE VERY EXCITED THAT THEY HAVE MADE THE CHOICE TO BE HERE IN AUBURN. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING ALL OF THEIR STAFF AND CELEBRATING THE THE THE NEW BUILDING THAT THEY WILL BE BUILDING IN OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK. I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND INDUSTRIAL RECRUITMENT TEAM FOR WORKING WITH US, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING THEM TO OUR COMMUNITY. REMINDING EVERYONE THAT NEXT WEDNESDAY IS VETERAN'S DAY IN THE CITY OF AUBURN WILL HAVE THEIR ANNUAL RECOGNITION OF VETERANS DAY AT 10:00 AT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL. I APPRECIATE WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY AND ALL OF OUR OTHER STAFF WILL DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WE ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO TAKE 30 MINUTES AND REMEMBER THOSE WHO HAVE FOUGHT ON OUR BEHALF AND GIVE US THE FREEDOM THAT WE HAVE. IT'S A VERY WELL PLANNED CEREMONY AND WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE WITH US. IF IT RAINS, WE'LL EITHER BE RIGHT IN HERE OR DOWN THE HALL WITH THE CEREMONY, BUT IT WILL OCCUR. YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED NEW BANNERS IN DOWNTOWN AUBURN. SPEAKING OF VETERANS THESE THESE BANNERS CELEBRATE AUBURN VETERANS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE GROWN UP HERE AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY GONE TO SCHOOL HERE. MISS WITTEN. YES. AND SO THIS IS A NEW ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE STAYING UP THROUGH AT LEAST VETERANS DAY. I BELIEVE IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CELEBRATION OF THESE PEOPLE. SO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. MOST OF THOSE BANNERS ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL AND CONFERENCE CENTER, IF I RECALL. SO WHAT A GREAT IDEA. [00:10:04] THERE WERE SOME PARTNERS WITH THAT, INCLUDING TOURISM. AND I'LL LET THE PRO TEM SPEAK TO THIS IN JUST A MINUTE, BECAUSE SHE HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THIS. AND THEN OUR SGA REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TONIGHT, AND I LOOK FORWARD ALSO NEXT WEEK TO BEING ON CAMPUS ON NOVEMBER 12TH FOR THE ANNUAL MOCHAS WITH THE MAYOR WILL. I'LL BE SERVING COFFEE TO AUBURN STUDENTS AND TAKING TIME TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT'S ON THEIR MIND REGARDING THE CITY THAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO GO TO COLLEGE IN, AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TONIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD AS FAR AS ANNOUNCEMENT, MISS WITTEN, I'VE ALREADY PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THERE. YOU DID? YES. NO, I, I WAS GOING TO ALSO ECHO THE VETERAN BANNERS LIKE. AMAZING. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER CROUCH AND YOUR STAFF FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO SERVE NOT ONLY OUR COUNTRY BUT OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE DOWN COLLEGE BETWEEN MAGNOLIA AND MILLER AGAINST THE BEAUTIFUL YELLOW GINKGO TREES, PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO TAKE THAT IN AND RECOGNIZE THOSE HEROES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE HAD AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC TURNOUT FOR THIS ELECTION DAY. WHEN I LEFT THE POLLING PLACE IN NORTH AUBURN WHILE AGO, THE THE COUNT AT 5:00 WAS 42%. AND I THINK THAT'S JUST ABOUT UNPRECEDENTED. I THINK BILL ENGLISH WOULD HAVE BEEN GLAD TO HAVE 11 OR 12 OR EVEN 20%, BUT 42% AT 5:00, WITH TWO MORE HOURS TO GO IN THE POLLS, JUST STAGGERS THE MIND TO THINK WHAT IT WILL WIND UP TO BE. BUT I'M JUST AMAZED BY THAT. STUNNED BY THAT. I UNDERSTAND IT WAS ALSO GOOD IN WARD FIVE AT THE DEAN ROAD CENTER BASED ON THE TRAFFIC COUNT. AND I THINK, MISS MILANKOVITCH THEY CAN TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE SHE WAS. I WAS OVER AT FRANK BROWN, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS. I DIDN'T LOOK WHEN I LEFT, BUT I KNOW WE HAD CLEARED 20% A FEW HOURS AGO WHEN I LAST LOOKED. BUT IT WAS HEAVY IT WAS STEADY. YES. THAT'S GOOD. WELL, IT WAS CERTAINLY REMARKABLE. IT WAS QUITE A DAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO REPORT ON THAT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR ELECTION OFFICIALS AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COUNTY THAT HAVE AND IN THE CITY OF AUBURN THAT HAVE GIVEN OF THEIR TIME TODAY TO WORK THE POLLS. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT MADE THEIR WAY TO COUNCIL SUNNY AND KIRSTEN. I APPRECIATE THAT. A COUPLE HOURS LEFT AND WHEN I WENT THIS MORNING, IT WAS A SEAMLESS AND SMOOTH PROCESS. SO WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OUT WORKING RIGHT NOW AND WORKING FOR A FEW MORE HOURS. ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. MAX. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THE HOUSEHOLD WASTE DAY HAS. I CAN'T GET THAT RIGHT. I'M SORRY. HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE DAY. IT GOT MOVED TO NOVEMBER 14TH, SO I THINK THAT'S COMING UP NEXT WEEK. AND I'M. I'M PARTICULARLY EXCITED. I'VE HAD A TRUCKLOAD OF PAINT RIDING AROUND FOR ABOUT A MONTH, SO I WILL BE DISPOSING OF IT ON 1114. SO JUST LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW. APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING US THAT ANYONE ELSE JUST REAL QUICK ON THE VETERANS DAY WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS FROM THE CHAMBER HERE. THEY HOST A VERY LOVELY RECEPTION RIGHT AFTER THE CEREMONY. WREATH LAYING CEREMONY. SO WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED WITH THAT, YOU CAN RIDE OVER TO THE CHAMBER AND CONTINUE THE CELEBRATIONS. GOOD. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING ME ON THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS. [5. AUBURN UNIVERSITY COMMUNICATIONS.] GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS AMELIA SHANNON AND I SERVE ON AUBURN'S SGA AS EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF OUTREACH. I'M COMING UP FROM SGA. WE'RE HOSTING MOCHAS WITH THE MAYOR NEXT THURSDAY FROM 9 TO 11 A.M. WE'LL HAVE FREE COFFEE AND HOT CHOCOLATES AS WE PROMOTE THE VALUABLE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR STUDENT BODY AND THE CITY OF AUBURN. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR ANDREWS, FOR THAT. WITH VOTING DAY TODAY, STUDENTS WERE ENCOURAGED TO VOTE THROUGH PROMOTIONAL VIDEOS AND TABLING ON THE HALEY CONCOURSE, AND THEY WERE REWARDED WITH CHICKEN BISCUITS IF THEY VOTED. SGA. HOSTED OUR ANNUAL SAFETY WALK THIS WEEK, WHERE WE WALKED AROUND CAMPUS AND CHECKED ALL THE BLUE LIGHT POLES AND OTHER SAFETY FEATURES, MAKING SURE THEY WERE WORKING PROPERLY. SGA IS CURRENTLY PUSHING A STUDENT BODY SURVEY THAT COVERS DINING, ATHLETICS, AND CLASS ENROLLMENT SIZES. WE PLAN TO USE THIS CRUCIAL FEEDBACK TO BEST ADVOCATE FOR THE FUTURE OF AUBURN UNIVERSITY. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 5000 RESPONSES AND PLAN TO HAVE MORE BY THE END OF THE WEEK. MISS AUBURN NOMINATIONS ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, WITH TOP FIVE CALL OUTS NEXT THURSDAY AT THE BACK STEPS OF CARTER HALL, AUBURN'S FIRST YEAR EXPERIENCE, ANNOUNCED THEIR 2027 ORIENTATION. ORIENTATION TEAM OF 75 NEW CAMP WAR EAGLE COUNSELORS LAST NIGHT. ALSO THIS PAST SUNDAY, AUBURN VOLLEYBALL TOOK DOWN THE OKLAHOMA SOONERS IN A FIVE SET THRILLER. THAT'S ALL FOR ME TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WAR EAGLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. CITY MANAGER'S COMMUNICATIONS. OH. EXCUSE ME. [00:15:06] I WENT TO THE NEW NEW SITE. THIS OPPORTUNITY. CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS ON ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT ANYTHING ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DO THAT. WE HAVE ONE ITEM THAT HAS A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT IS ITEM TEN A. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THAT, PLEASE WAIT FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO BE OPEN. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDA, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR YOU TO DO THAT. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SHARE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. SEEING NO ONE? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE AHEAD NOW WITH CITY MANAGER'S COMMUNICATIONS MAYOR. UNDER CITY MANAGERS COMMUNICATIONS, I HAVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF ONE VACANCY ON THE PUBLIC PARK AND [7. CITY MANAGER’S COMMUNICATIONS. ] RECREATION BOARD FOR A TERM THAT BEGINS DECEMBER 16TH AND ENDS DECEMBER 15TH, 2032. I'LL REMIND YOU, THIS IS A FINANCING BOARD AND NOT A POLICY MAKING BOARD, AND IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. READY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE. OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS A CONSENT AGENDA. [8. CONSIDERATION OF CONSENT AGENDA.] DOES ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DEAL WITH THAT ITEM INDIVIDUALLY? YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE EIGHT, CHARLIE. FIVE, PLEASE. THAT'S ALREADY REMOVED. OH, IT'S. OH THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WENT AWAY. THAT'S CORRECT. WELL I WAS HESITANT ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT I THINK. EIGHT CHARLIE THREE, IF I MAY. STOLE MY THUNDER. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. THREE. YEAH. I'LL SING BACK UP TO THIS ONE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. EIGHT C THREE. ITEM EIGHT C THREE AUTHORIZES AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE [8.c.3. Jolly Development, Inc. Infrastructure Development Agreement Amendment No. 1. The Foundry at North College.] FOUNDRY AT NORTH COLLEGE. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER TO GO TO MISS WOOTEN OR MR. MOORMAN. MISS. NO. GO TO MR.. MR. MOORMAN. I'LL START. THIS THIS IS A LARGE PROJECT, AND I THINK PEOPLE ENJOY TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S A VERY GREAT PROJECT. IT'S A TREMENDOUS THING FOR THE CITY. THE FOUNDRY GOT THE RIGHT ONE HERE. AND SO I THINK JUST PICKING A FEW ITEMS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IF I MAY JUST QUICKLY, I WANT TO REMIND YOU, THIS IS ONLY AN AMENDMENT TO A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE AGREEMENT. THE REST OF IT IS AS YOU PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED. SO IT'S ONLY AMENDING A SMALL PORTION ABOUT HOW THE ROAD IS BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THE FINANCIAL SPLIT. NOT ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS. CAN WE SPEAK TO THE BRIDGE? THAT IS, THE BRIDGE IS NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM. SO THAT'S WHERE I THAT'S WHERE I WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF THAT. WE CAN SPEAK TO THE BRIDGE IN THAT. AS WE TOLD THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME, YOU ADOPTED THE FIRST AGREEMENT, THAT WOULD BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S IN NO MAN'S LAND. IT'S NOT PART OF THE FOUNDRY PROJECT THAT WILL BE DESIGNED, BID AND BUILT BY THE CITY. OKAY. THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO SAY. PERFECT. THAT WAS MY POINT TONIGHT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME WITH THAT BRIDGE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME. AND ALSO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME WITH THIS SPLITTING OF THE ROAD. SO THAT THAT'S A CLARIFYING THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE YOU UNDERSTOOD ONE THING WHEN WE ADOPTED THIS ABOUT MR. JOLLY AND HIS TEAM AT THE FOUNDRY, WE'RE GOING TO DO A GOOD BIT OF THE GRADING. AND THEN WE WERE GOING TO STEP IN AND BUILD THE ROAD. AND NOW IT'S BEEN SPLIT THAT HE WILL BE BUILDING THE ROAD AND WILL BE PAYING FOR HALF OF IT, WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES IT FASTER AND WILL GET IT WILL GET DONE MUCH SOONER. AGAIN. GREAT PROJECT. I'M ALL FOR IT. MISS WHITTEN? YES. AND THAT MY POINT WAS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS ONLY A PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO THANK YOU, MRS. CROUCH, FOR CLARIFYING THAT THAT WAS. YEAH. AND THAT IS ON ME. MY STAFF HAD NOT INITIALLY INCLUDED THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND I FELT FOR YOU TO REMIND YOU OF, WELL, IF WE'RE CHANGING THINGS, WHAT WAS IN IT TO BEGIN WITH? IT WAS IT WAS PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR YOU AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT IT IS. THIS MAY NOT BE THE ONLY AMENDMENT OVER TIME, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS A KEY ONE BECAUSE THE COUNCIL PIVOTED. WE BUDGETED AND WE DID ALL OF THE THINGS TO GET THIS BUILT. AND THE BIG DEAL HERE IS TO GET THE PROJECT BUILT FROM COLLEGE STREET ALL THE WAY THROUGH. I'LL REMIND YOU, BECAUSE COUNCILMAN MOORMAN HAD A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT IT IN AN EMAIL BETWEEN HE AND I, THAT THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION IN AUBURN CITY SCHOOLS IS BUILDING FROM DONAHUE TOWARD THE BRIDGE THAT HE REFERRED TO. AND AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY DIRECTLY AS A CITY IN THE VICINITY OF THE BRIDGE AND AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE TOOK UP THE A RESOLUTION FOR THE SPEED LIMIT ON COLLEGE. AND THAT WAS HOPEFULLY GOING TO ALLOW MR. JOLLY TO RECEIVE HIS PERMITTING. DO WE KNOW IF HE WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT PERMITTING FROM ALDOT AFTER OUR LAST MEETING? JUST THIS AFTERNOON, I DID RECEIVE A NOTICE OF A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT ALLOWING THEM CONSTRUCTION FROM ALDOT ITSELF. [00:20:02] OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU KNOW THINGS OFTEN DON'T MOVE FAST WITHOUT THAT. THEY HAVE A LOT GOING ON. MICHAEL, OUR CITY ENGINEER, DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF COLLABORATING WITH THEM AND TRYING TO KEEP THINGS MOVING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. IT'S HARD FOR STATE ENTITIES, ADMITTEDLY, TO BE NIMBLE, AND THEY THEY DO TRY, BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A WHILE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION CARRIES. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO MOVED. SECOND. HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IN THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. ORDINANCES. [9.a. Traffic control signs and devices. Establish a four-way stop sign at the intersection of Hemlock Drive and Glenn Avenue.] ALL RIGHT. UNDER ORDINANCES WE HAVE ITEM NINE. A AUTHORIZES A FOUR WAY STOP AT THE INTERSECTION OF HEMLOCK DRIVE AND WEST GLENN AVENUE. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NECESSARY. I'LL INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE AND ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT. SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING? OKAY. SEEING OR HEARING? NONE. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. LINDSAY. ROLL CALL. ADAMS. YES. YES, MA'AM. DAWSON. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. PARSONS. YES. WHITTON. YES. YES. RESOLUTIONS UNDER RESOLUTIONS ITEM TEN A IS A REQUEST FOR A SIX MONTH EXTENSION TO THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR SHELDON MILL [10.a. Conditional Use Approval Extension. Shelton Mill, Phase 4. Property located at 580 Shelton Mill Road. Public hearing required.] PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS A MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT LOOKS LIKE TOWNHOMES OF 102 UNITS LOCATED AT AT 580. SHELTON MILL ROAD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HOUSING ZONING DISTRICTS. PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS EXTENSION REQUEST AT ITS OCTOBER MEETING. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL. SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM TEN A IS REQUEST OR SORRY. TEN B ONE AUTHORIZES A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT FOR THE ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT ON SOUTH GAY STREET OVER TOWN [10.b.1. Alabama Department of Transportation. Preliminary Engineering and Construction Agreement. Bridge replacement on South Gay Street over Town Creek. $747,773.70.] CREEK. THIS IS AN 80/20 GRANT, WITH THE CITY'S 20% ESTIMATED TO BE $747,773.70. I WILL REMIND YOU THAT IN DOING THIS, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE THERE ESTIMATES BY ALDOT ENGINEERS, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE ENGINEERING ESTIMATES ARE LOW AND THERE ARE MORE DOLLARS THAT ARE REQUIRED. SO SOME OF THIS BETWEEN THIS AND THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, DON'T THE MATH DOESN'T MATH FOR YOU ABOUT PERCENTAGES. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERAGES. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. MOTION SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY, JUST. JUST A COMMENT. IT APPEARS THAT THIS IS ONE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET OUR TAX DOLLARS BACK FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE OFTEN PAY A LOT OF TAXES IN TO THE FEDS. AND AND THEY'RE PAYING 80% OF THIS, IF I UNDERSTAND. RIGHT. HOPEFULLY. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT NUMBER IS SUBJECT TO WAFFLING, BUT 80% GENERALLY IF THINGS GO WELL AND 20% FOR THE CITY. CORRECT. AND THAT'S MONEY THAT COMES THROUGH OUR METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION THAT WE GET TO SELECT PROJECTS FOR. AND WE MOVED IT TO THIS ONE. BUT YES, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN MORMON'S GREAT USE OF FUNDS AND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM CERTAINLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT. AND SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS SIT ON THE MPO BOARD AND AND HELP WORK THIS THROUGH. BUT WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND GRANT DOLLARS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ELIGIBLE AND TRY TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM TEN B TWO AUTHORIZES A CONTRACT WITH BARGE DESIGN SOLUTIONS, [10.b.2. Barge Design Solutions, Inc. Surveying and civil engineering design services for the South Gay Street Bridge Replacement over Town Creek (Task Order ENG 03-2026). $457,103.] INCORPORATED FOR SURVEYING AND CIVIL DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE SOUTH GAY STREET BRIDGE. REPLACEMENT OVER TOWN CREEK IN THE AMOUNT OF $457,103. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND MOTION. SECOND. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. HAVE A SIMILAR COMMENT. AS THE CITY MANAGER POINTED OUT. ALDOT CONTRACTS ARE COMPLICATED, AND I DID MY BEST TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CONTRACT. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ON IT. THE NUMBER IS USED. IN OUR NOTEBOOKS, ABOUT $336,835. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS, BUT LET ME HOLD THAT. WHAT I THINK I KNOW IS THAT $450,000 IS AL DOT'S ESTIMATE, $457,103 IS AL DOT'S ESTIMATE. THAT'S NOT THEIR ESTIMATE. THEIR ESTIMATE IS THE 330 SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU CALLED OUT FROM THE PREVIOUS AGENDA. ITEM 336,000. YES. THAT'S THEIR ENGINEERING ESTIMATE. THIS ONE, IT'S IT'S MORE THAN THAT. SO AL, DOT AND I HAD TO BECAUSE OF YOUR QUESTION AND I, [00:25:05] I SAID A LOT TO SCOTT CUMMINGS ABOUT HOW IF I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS, HOW DO I EXPECT THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND IT? SO IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO FLIP MY BRAIN TO THE FACT THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO MAKE SENSE. SO THAT'S MY CAVEAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE SENSE, BUT I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN. AND EXPLAIN IS ALDOT HAS A GROUP OF ENGINEERS THAT ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT THEY THINK THE ENGINEERING COSTS FOR THIS BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE, AND THEY COME UP WITH A NUMBER BASED ON THEIR FORMULAS. IN REALITY, WHEN WE GO TO GET THE WORK QUOTED, PLUS WE ALSO HAVE DESIGN AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO IT. THOSE TWO THINGS MAY NOT MATCH. SO THEREFORE THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERAGE OF THAT AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. CLOSE ENOUGH. YES, MA'AM. SO YES, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. I'VE GOT TO REDO MY NUMBERS HERE. BUT OUR ESTIMATE IS 336835 ROUGHLY. AND SO WE WE'RE ON A 4060 WITH THIS. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD PAY 40% OF THAT NUMBER. NO, NO, THERE'S NO PERCENTAGES. 8020 FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT OVER $3 MILLION NUMBER. THAT'S THEIR ESTIMATE FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT. AND THEY HAVE AN ENGINEERING ESTIMATE OUT OF THAT. THAT WAS THE $336,000 NUMBER. THAT'S THAT'S ALL THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THAT'S PART OF THE 8020 DEAL. THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, THIS IS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED AND IT WILL NOT MAKE SENSE TO MOST PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. WHAT I DO KNOW IS I HAVE A LOT OF ENGINEERS THAT HAVE WORKED WITH ALDOT THEIR ENTIRE CAREER, AND THEY SAY, THIS IS HOW IT IS, MICHAEL. SO I CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE THE TOTAL COST THAT YOU SEE THAT IS DERIVED FROM THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THE ESTIMATE THAT THEY PUT IN THESE AGREEMENTS IS USUALLY DERIVED BY PERCENT FEE BASED ON UPON THE FIRMS THAT WORK WITH ALDOT. THEY HAVE TO BE A CERTIFIED FIRM TO WORK ON THAT LIST FOR FEDERAL FUNDS. EVERYBODY IN THE STATE HAS TO GO THROUGH APPROVED LIST. SO THAT PERCENTAGE AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE FOR THAT. 336 IS THAT FORMULA THAT ALDOT DERIVES TO COME UP WITH THE TOTAL AMOUNT. YOU SEE THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR 457. THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO US. WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FUNDING FOR THE 8020 SPLIT TO 336. THE NUMBER THAT YOU QUOTED, ANY OVERAGES AS ALDOT RELATES TO IN THE AGREEMENTS WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT THAT IS AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO FUND THAT FEDERAL PROJECT, WHERE THIS AMOUNT FOR THIS BUDGET PROPOSED IN FRONT OF YOU IS SLIGHTLY OVER SO THAT IT MAKES NO SENSE, BUT SLIGHT OVERAGE. THAT BASICALLY THAT SLIGHT OVERAGE IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS THE SAME WITH THE CONSTRUCTION COST IN TOTAL. SO IF THE CONSTRUCTION COST EXCEEDS THAT PROPOSED AMOUNT THAT THE FEDS THINK IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THIS PROJECT, THAT IN THIS AGREEMENT SAYS THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OVERAGES AT THAT TIME. BUT, MICHAEL, WE ALSO IF IT CAME IN UNDER BECAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION I HAD, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN TAKE THE EXTRA MONEY AND PUT IT TOWARD ENGINEERING. ENGINEERING IS FINE. I AS PART OF THIS BASED ON THAT FORMULA, AND SO IS THE CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHY I SAID ALWAYS HAPPY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU. IT IS NOT LOGICAL IN HOW WE WOULD ALL VIEW IT, BUT THERE ARE FORMULAS THAT THEY'RE WORKING FROM. THIS IS A CONSTANT AND EXPECTED, AND WE BUDGETED ACCORDINGLY. AND WE HAVE THIS COVERED FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE. AND THAT ALSO MATTERS BECAUSE STAFF ANTICIPATES THESE THINGS AS THEY SET UP PROJECT BUDGETS. I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S RARE THAT THE ESTIMATE EVER COMES IN. IT IS. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT. YEAH, TOMMY SAID WE HAD JUST ASKED HIM. IT WOULD BE FINE. WELL, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. WE NEED TO DO THE PROJECT. WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN DO. AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO CITY STAFF AND CITY MANAGER FOR BULLDOGGING THIS PROJECT THROUGH. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. AN UNRELATED TO THE OTHER TWO, BUT STILL HAS TO DO WITH THE TOWN CREEK AREA IS ITEM TEN B THREE AUTHORIZES AMENDMENT [10.b.3. Hazen and Sawyer. Contract amendment No. 1. Town Creek Sewer Basin Sanitary Sewer Evaluation Survey (SSES) - Phase II project. $43,125.] NUMBER ONE TO THE TOWN CREEK SEWER BASIN SANITARY SEWER EVALUATION STUDY PHASE TWO PROJECT WITH HAZEN AND SAWYER IN THE AMOUNT OF $43,125. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. MOTION. SECOND. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. IS THIS THE 115 SEWER LATERALS? IS THIS THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE. THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE HAMMERING THEM AND WE'VE GOT TO ISOLATE. SO IN LAYMAN'S TERMS YOU CAN USE THE WORLD CUP SOCCER MATCH DAY AS, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE HAD A LOT OF STORMWATER GOING IN THIS AREA. BUT WHAT WE ALSO MEASURED A LOT OF IT IS GETTING INTO OUR SEWER SYSTEM, WHICH WE DON'T WANT. WE CALL THAT INFLOW AND INFILTRATION. AND WE HAVE THERE'S A MANHOLE THAT SITS DOWN ON SHELL TUMOR WHERE TWO LINES MEET UP AND THAT LID WILL RISE, WHICH IS TELLING US WE'RE HAVING SOME STORMWATER GETTING IN THE SEWER SYSTEM. ERIC AND HIS TEAM AND OUR CONSULTANTS HAVE ISOLATED IT TO THIS AREA, AND THEY NEED TO CAMERA ALL OF THESE LINES TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE PROBLEM IS TO GET IT [00:30:03] CORRECTED. SO IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THIS CONTRACT TO ISOLATE THE INFLOW AND INFILTRATION PROBLEM OF STORMWATER. BECAUSE THIS KEEPS US FROM HAVING SEWER GET IT NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AND NOT COME OUT OF MANHOLES. HOW ABOUT THAT? AND THIS THIS AMENDMENT HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF A RESIDENT CALLING ATTENTION TO. WELL, THEY KNEW ABOUT IT, BUT THERE IS A RESIDENT THAT HAS CALLED ATTENTION TO A PROBLEM WITH THAT MANHOLE AS AS PART OF AS IT'S COMING OUT OF THE STUDY. PLUS, I'M USING THAT AS A LAYMAN'S TERM. EXAMPLE OF, YES, WE HAVE A KNOWN PROBLEM IN AN AREA, BUT IN TRACING THAT BACK, AMONG OTHER STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE, THIS IS AN ISSUE AND THEY HAVE ISOLATED IT TO THIS TOWN, CREEK BASIN. ERIC, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. TO BE MORE PRECISE, IT'S IN THE AREA JUST SOUTH OF SANFORD AVENUE AND NORTH OF TOWN CREEK PARK AND ADJACENT TO WRIGHTSVILLE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IN THAT AREA THERE, WE'RE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF I AND I, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS WITH THESE SPECIFIC LATERAL INSPECTIONS. SO YEAH, THAT'S THE AREA. I'M JUST SAYING THE SYMPTOM IS DOWNSTREAM A LOT OF TIMES OF THIS THAT. SO THE BEING CAUSED BY THIS AREA THAT'S CAUSING OTHER ISSUES DOWNSTREAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT, HERE COMES AN EXCITING CAPITAL PURCHASE ITEM TEN B FOR AUTHORIZES THE PURCHASE OF ONE 2027 ELGIN STREET SWEEPER FROM SORENSON EQUIPMENT COMPANY FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS [10.b.4. Sansom Equipment Company. (1) 2027 Elgin Regenx Street Sweeper. Public Works Department. $358,109.] DEPARTMENT. IN THE SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $358,109 FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. I HAVE MOTION. SECOND. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. THESE ARE EXPENSIVE TRUCKS $358,000 FOR. YES THEY ARE. AND THIS GIVES US A TOTAL OF THREE. DAN WE HAVE THREE STREET SWEEPERS, WHICH ARE A LOT OF STREET SWEEPERS. THEY DO A LOT OF WORK. THE BODIES ON THE BACK ARE NOT BIG, I NOTICED. AND SO THEY HAVE TO EMPTY DURING THEIR SHIFT. MORE THAN ONCE THEY DO, THEY'LL EMPTY THEIR HOPPERS AN AVERAGE OF 2 TO 4 TIMES DAILY, DEPENDING ON THE ROUTES AND DEPENDING ON THE, THE DENSITY OF THE DEBRIS DURING THEIR COLLECTION SEASONS. SO DURING THE WINTER TIME, THEY WILL HAVE TO OFFLOAD MORE FREQUENTLY DURING THE THAN DURING THE SUMMERTIME. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? DO YOU MEET UP WITH ANOTHER TYPE TRUCK AND DUMP FROM ONE TO THE OTHER OR BELOW THE DEBRIS? NO, SIR. THEY TAKE IT DOWN TO THE SAND HILL, C AND D LANDFILL. OKAY. AND THEY OFFLOAD THERE AND RINSE OUT THE TRUCKS. OKAY. SO THEY JUST TAKE A BREAK, GO DOWN TO THE LANDFILL AND COME BACK AND START OVER. YES, SIR. START RIGHT BACK UP ON THE ROUTES. OKAY. AND WILL THIS GIVE US 2 OR 3? WE HAVE ONE THAT'S NON-OPERATIONAL. NONFUNCTIONAL TOTAL OF THREE. SO WE OPERATE TWO RELATIVELY CONSISTENTLY ON A DAILY BASIS. AND THEN THE THIRD UNIT FOR WHEN ONE IS DOWN FOR SERVICE WHICH IS RELATIVELY FREQUENT WITH THESE ASSETS WE CAN STILL OPERATE TWO. THANKS MUCH. THANKS A LOT TO KEEP THOSE. WARD FIVE STREETS CLEAN. I SEE THEM A LOT. I DO. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND THAT MOTION CARRIES. ITEM TEN C AUTHORIZES A REAL ESTATE EXCHANGE AGREEMENT WITH ADAIR DEVELOPMENT GROUP, [10.c. Real Estate Exchange Agreement. Adare Development Group, LLC.] LLC THAT FACILITATES THE EXCHANGE OF 61 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOCIETY HILL AND MOORE'S MILL ROADS. WITH 134 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY ON WEST FARMVILLE ROAD IN THE VICINITY OF PEAR TREE LANE AND BUD BLACK ROAD THAT IS OWNED BY ADAIR DEVELOPMENT LLC. THIS EXCHANGE WOULD BE AN EQUAL LAND SWAP, WITH NEITHER PARTY CONTRIBUTING ADDITIONAL CAPITAL OR CASH EQUALIZATION. MOVE. APPROVAL. SECOND. MOTION. SECOND. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. MR.. I'D ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ON THIS. OKAY. CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT HOW THIS EXCHANGE CAME ABOUT? BETWEEN THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT THE CITY'S OWNED FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND THE NEW PARCEL THAT'S BEING EXCHANGED FOR. YEAH. SO ADAIR DEVELOPMENT LLC DOES OWN PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE 61 ACRES AT SOCIETY HILL AND MOORE'S MILL THAT THE CITY OWNS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE OWNED IT SINCE RIGHT AROUND 2000, 2001. AND THERE'S BEEN INTEREST ON AND OFF OVER THE YEARS OF OF PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WOULD THE CITY EVER SELL THAT? AND I'VE SAID, NOT ON YOUR LIFE. WE'RE NOT SELLING IT AS IT'S DESIGNATED AND WE PLAN TO MAKE IT A PARK. IT'S IMPORTANT PROPERTY. IT'S BEEN IN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION CULTURAL MASTER PLAN. AND A FEW MONTHS AGO WAS APPROACHED ABOUT WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, ADAIR WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. AND MY FIRST ANSWER TO THE INTERMEDIARY WAS, IT'S NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION. IT'S PARK PROPERTY. THAT'S A SACRED COW. THEY SAID, DO YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THIS OFFER? BECAUSE WHAT WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO DO IS OFFER YOU GOOD PROPERTY IN AN AREA OF TOWN WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARK PROPERTY. [00:35:04] AND NOT ONLY THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO NET GAIN. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ACRES, YOU KNOW, 134 ACRES VERSUS 61 IS A GAME CHANGER. AND SO I SAID, OKAY, I'M LISTENING. AND THEN MY OTHER CAVEAT IN LISTENING WAS, I'M NOT ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ONE NICKEL OF MONEY AND THE TAXPAYERS OF AUBURN TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL PARK PROPERTY. AND THEY SAID, NO PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR ANY MONEY. WE WILL EVEN SWAP THE PROPERTY. AND SO THAT BEING SAID, IS, IS ENOUGH TO THEN TO TALK TO YOU GUYS TO SAY, IS IT SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER? HAD INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ENOUGH TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. NOT SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE PUT ON THE AGENDA IF I DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU WERE AT LEAST WILLING TO LISTEN AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT DO WE GAIN? YOU HAVE QUITE A MEMO ABOUT THIS. THE PARKS AND REC RECREATION DIRECTOR, ALLISON HALL, AND KEITH WILLIAMS, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, HAD LONG CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. BOTH KEITH AND SCOTT CUMMINGS HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE NEW PROPERTY. IT'S GOOD PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT FROM A DEVELOPABILITY STANDPOINT. IT'S EXCELLENT PROPERTY. IT IS POSITIONED IT'S IT'S IN WARD THREE AT THE MOMENT. YOU KNOW, NEXT TIME WE CHANGE WARDS AROUND, WHO KNOWS BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE GROWTH AREA IN TOWN. WE HAVE NO PARK PROPERTY IN THAT VICINITY WHATSOEVER. AND AND MAYOR PRO TEM WITTEN AND COUNCILMAN ADAMS WERE ARGUE ABOUT PEARSON PARK, WHICH IS ACTUALLY KIND OF RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM ABOUT WHOSE PARK THAT IS. AND JESS, THEY ARGUE NOT SERIOUSLY, BUT IN IN WARD THREE AND IN THE NORTHWESTERN QUADRANT OF THE CITY, WE HAVE REALLY STRUGGLED TO FIND PARK PROPERTY BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS TAKEN BY SUBDIVISIONS AND WE ARE WOEFULLY SHORT WHILE WE ARE WORKING TOWARD A, YOU KNOW, OVER A $40 MILLION PROJECT AT RICHLAND ROAD AT RICHLAND PARK, DELIVERING MUCH NEEDED BASEBALL FIELDS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BEHIND ON. AND WE JUST ACQUIRED SPENCER PROPERTY ALONG EAST UNIVERSITY DRIVE TO EXPAND BASEBALL AT DUCK, SAMFORD PARK. WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS VICINITY OF TOWN, SO THAT IS WHY I WAS WILLING TO TO ENTERTAIN IT. AND I COMMEND THE OWNERS OF OF ADAIR FOR COMING TO US WITH A SOLUTION THAT IS SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS PALATABLE TO BRING TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE I FELT THAT IT WAS ALONG WITH MY STAFF TEAM IS A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY. IT'S NOT A BAD DEAL. WE'VE BEEN ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S GOOD PROPERTY. THE OTHER THING THAT ADAIR DID THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME IS WE REALLY HAD MINIMIZED ANY EXPENSES TO DATE BEFORE BRINGING THIS TO YOU. THEY ACTUALLY DREW UP A LEGAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS VERY LITTLE WORK FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO REVIEW ONLY MINOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT SAVED US TIME AND EFFORT. AND SO THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH BRINGING FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND AS FAR AS THE PARK AT CITY HALL PARK THAT'S DESIGNATED NOW, I MEAN, WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED FOR THAT PARK IN OTHER AREAS, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE LAKE WILMORE AS A PRIME EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT FOUR MULTI-USE FIELDS THERE. AND ALSO DUCK SANFORD WILL BE LOOKING TO ADD ADDITIONAL FIELDS THERE ON THE BASEBALL SOFTBALL SIDE. SO AS FAR AS A PARK USAGE ITSELF, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPLISHING THAT IN OTHER AREAS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY INTENDING THIS PART FOR. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAD LOOKED AT THIS INITIALLY AS BASEBALL SOFTBALL, PLUS MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS ON THIS ON THE 61 ACRES. AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT'S, IT'S LOCATION FOR, FOR THAT MUCH ON THE FAR EDGE OF THE CITY FOR THOSE TYPE OF DAILY USES, SOMETIMES CAUSING CITIZENS TO CROSS FROM THE FAR NORTH SIDE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND SO ON, MADE IT A LITTLE LESS DESIRABLE IN TERMS OF THAT. WE PUT MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS AT LAKE WILMORE FIRST, ADJUSTING OUT FOR THAT. AND AND TO YOUR POINT, RICHLAND PARK CAME ALONG AND WE DECIDED THAT WAS A BIGGER PRIORITY BASED ON ITS LOCATION AND SIZE AND OUR ABILITY TO ENCOMPASS LARGER TOURNAMENTS. RIGHT IN, IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. RICHLAND PARK ISN'T, BUT IT'S MIDDLE AND WEST. AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD SERVE OUR HOTELS, RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS BETTER IN THAT LOCATION FROM A TOURNAMENT PERSPECTIVE AND COMING AND GOING AND NEAR A MAJOR POPULATION CENTER. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, WE HAD BEEN THINKING THE 61 ACRES MIGHT BE USED FOR A CEMETERY. TOWN CREEK PARK IS. CEMETERY IS POPULAR AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR NEW CEMETERY SPACE. THAT WAS THE USE THAT WE HAD LAST SUGGESTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND AS FAR AS VALUATION IS CONCERNED, WE DO INTEND TO HAVE AN APPRAISAL ON BOTH OF THESE PIECES PRIOR TO. WHILE WE ARE. WE ARE COMFORTABLE. WHAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION? WE'VE GOT A 45 DAY DUE DILIGENCE. WE'LL ORDER THE APPRAISALS IMMEDIATELY. AND MAKE SURE THAT VALUATION IS WHERE WE THINK IT IS. I THINK THE CITY IS GOING TO COME OUT TO THE GOOD ON THIS, BUT IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THE 61 ACRES MAY HAVE A HIGHER VALUE PER ACRE, BUT IT IS 73 ACRES SMALLER. SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE GET WE NET GAIN 73 ACRES AS AS PART OF THIS ANYWAY. SO I THINK WE WILL BE FINE. IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR US. WE ALSO NEED TO GET THE APPRAISALS FOR ACCOUNTING PURPOSES BASED ON OUR FINANCIAL REPORTING AND GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARD BOARD PRACTICES. [00:40:08] WE'VE GOT TO GET THE APPRAISALS ANYWAY SO WE'LL GET THOSE ORDERED SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS? AND WE WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRANSACTION IF. IF THE APPRAISALS DIDN'T CONFIRM WHAT WE THINK, THEY'LL CONFIRM. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? OKAY. GOT A MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. IN THE MOTION CARRIES. MAYOR. THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS OF BUSINESS WE HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING. OKAY. THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN CITIZENS OPEN FORUM. [12. CITIZENS' OPEN FORUM.] IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ABOUT ANYTHING, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS. CITY COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. CHAD CUNNINGHAM, 516 OWENS ROAD. BACK AGAIN. IT'S ELECTION DAY. I REMEMBER WELL, MY DAYS TEACHING CIVICS AS A MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHER. ON DAYS LIKE THIS. NOW I TEACH MATH, WHICH IS TERRIBLY BORING, BUT HAS ITS OWN VIRTUES, I SUPPOSE. BUT I WOULD ALWAYS TELL MY STUDENTS I SUPPOSE WHEN YOU FELT LIKE THINGS WERE TOTALLY UP AGAINST YOU, THAT THAT'S THE TIME TO CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT. AND SO HERE I AM AGAIN TALKING ABOUT NO OUTLET ON SANDERS ROAD. DESPITE THE CLEARING, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO GO FORWARD TO CUT THAT CURB ONE PLACE OR ANOTHER AND TO DO WHATEVER, WHETHER IT BE ROUNDABOUTS OR WHATNOT. AND AFTER I LEFT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I WAS SOMEWHAT STRUCK. I WISH THAT MISS CONNIE FITCH TAYLOR WERE HERE. I WAS PLANNING TO SPEAK TO HER. SHE ASKED THE QUESTION WHETHER THIS WOULD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AND WAS QUICKLY TOLD NO BY THE CITY MANAGER. AND WHAT STRUCK ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF BEING TOLD THAT COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE D R PROCESS, AND THAT ALL OF THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MANUALS ARE GOING TO TELL. PLANNING TO DO. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, WAS HOW THE BEGINNING OF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING BEGAN, WITH COUNCIL PERSON WITTEN SPEAKING TO A STUB OUT ON A PARTICULARLY OTHER DIFFERENT PLAT, MIRACLE ROAD. AND IF ONLY SANDERS STREET WERE MIRACLE ROAD, PERHAPS MORE PEOPLE FROM THE BENCH WOULD WOULD SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS AND. AND THAT'S WHAT I SUPPOSE, THAT I'M COMING UP HERE WONDERING ABOUT, IS WHY COUNCIL PEOPLE WILL GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS ON CERTAIN THINGS AND THEN NOT ON OTHER THINGS, AND WHY THEY'LL MAKE THEIR VOICES KNOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INFLUENCED THAT MISS INGRAM CAME UP AND SPOKE ABOUT AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND REMINDED YOU THAT YOU DO HAVE INFLUENCE ON THIS. YOU DO HAVE SOME SAY, AND THIS IS YOUR STAFF, AND YOU LEAN ON YOUR STAFF AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, LIKE YOU ARE THE DOG THAT WAGS THE TAIL AND IT'S NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. AND THAT YOU DO HAVE SAY AND THAT YOU DO HAVE INFLUENCE ON WHAT HAPPENS AND HOW THINGS GET DEVELOPED AND HOW THINGS DO GET PLANNED, AND THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY LISTEN TO YOU SIMPLY LIKE, I BET THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN ABOUT A STUB OUT OFF OF MIRACLE ROAD. BECAUSE YOUR SENTIMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE KNOWN AND THEY'VE BEEN MADE KNOWN PUBLICLY AND NOT JUST BEHIND CLOSED DOORS OR BY EMAILS OR BY MEMOS. AND SO AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND CONTINUE TO FIGHT IT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR SENTIMENTS KNOWN AND MAKE THEM KNOWN PUBLICLY, MAKE THEM KNOWN FROM YOUR CHAIR AND FROM YOUR SEAT AND FROM THAT BENCH, SO THAT YOUR STAFF THAT YOU GET TO LEAN ON AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, KNOW WHAT YOU THINK AND HOW YOU FEEL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND GOD BLESS YOU. YOU'LL BE NEXT. HI, I'M PATTI REYNOLDS, I LIVE AT 104 NORWOOD AVENUE. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE OUTLET ON SANDERS STREET. INITIALLY THE, THE DEVELOPER HAD THE OUTLET COMING OUT ON COLLEGE STREET. AND SO THE PLANNERS DECIDED TO REROUTE IT TO SANDERS STREET. THERE'S A SCHOOL THERE. THERE'S THE WOMEN'S CLUB. AND ALSO THIS WILL DIVERT TRAFFIC UP NORWOOD AVENUE WHERE I LIVE. WE ALREADY HAVE SCHOOL BUSSES, DAYCARE VANS DROP OFF FROM THE SCHOOL. TWICE A DAY. YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC. THIS IS JUST GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC ON NORWOOD. I THINK THE BEST CHOICE WOULD BE TO HAVE THE OUTLET ON COLLEGE STREET. ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE GOAL IS TO GET TO COLLEGE. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AROUND, COME UP MY STREET TO GET TO COLLEGE. [00:45:02] I THINK COMMON SENSE, IT SHOULD JUST COME OUT ON COLLEGE STREET. THANK YOU. WHO'LL BE NEXT? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THE CITIZENS OPEN FORUM. ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD? I DO THINK THERE IS SOME CLARIFICATION THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE MADE. MISS CROUCH IS THE ONLY EMPLOYEE THAT REPORTS TO THIS COUNCIL. WE'RE THE ONES THAT HIRE HER OUTSIDE OF THAT. ANY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ARE NOT OUR STAFF. THEY ARE THE STAFF OF THE CITY AND REPORT DIRECTLY TO MRS. CROUCH. AND WE ACTUALLY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DIRECTLY COMMUNICATE WITH THEM BY STATE LAW. AM I CORRECT IN THAT MATTER? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALSO THERE IS A, THERE IS A, AN OUTLET ON COLLEGE STREET PROPOSED ON WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CORRECT? CORRECT. THERE'S A FULL ACCESS ON COLLEGE STREET. THERE'S ONE THAT HAS BEEN NOTED REPEATEDLY BY INDIVIDUALS AS POTENTIAL FOR A SECOND ONE. AND WHAT'S HARD TO TELL ON THE PLAN IS THAT IS JUST DRIVEWAY ACCESS FOR TWO PARCELS THAT SIT THERE. THERE IS NO SECOND STUB TO COLLEGE STREET. IT'S NOT A STUB OUT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD CALL IT. TECHNICALLY. IT'S JUST THE WAY THE STREET IS DESIGNED. AND THAT MAY BE GETTING SLIGHTLY MODIFIED. MICHAEL. WE'RE NOT SURE HOW FAR IT STICKS, BUT IT APPEARS ONE FURTHER SOUTH LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD CONNECT TO COLLEGE STREET. THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION. THERE WILL NOT BE TWO CURB CUTS ON COLLEGE STREET. THERE WILL BE ONE ON COLLEGE AND ONE ON SANDERS. AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE STILL ONGOING. CORRECT. IT'S IN THE PROCESS. AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY WITH THE DRT PROCESS, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE REGULATIONS AND ADOPTS EVERY MANUAL, THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION MANUALS, THE WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT MANUAL. THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS THEM. IT IS A TECHNICAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WHERE WHERE THE OPINION OF PEOPLE DOESN'T GET TO TO ENTER INTO THE PROCESS. IT IS. PEOPLE ARE DEVELOPING THINGS BASED ON A SET OF CRITERIA THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED IN AN ADOPTED DOCUMENT BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE CRITERIA. STAFF IS MEETING WITH THEM TO MEASURE UP AGAINST CRITERIA THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED. AND WHERE PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS COME IN IS, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER CALCULATIONS, TRAFFIC STUDIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, BASED ON THEIR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS AND THINGS ADOPTED BY THIS BODY, COME INTO PLAY AND THEY ARE EVALUATED AND MEASURED. AND SO THE PROCESS IS NOT A PUBLIC MEETING BECAUSE THERE IS NO INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC. THE RULES ARE IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT RESIDE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE GOVERNING BODY. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN SOME WORK ON THIS PROPERTY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE MULCHED AND TAKEN OUT SOME OF THE THE VINES AND THE SCRUB BRUSHES. MAYBE SOME DEAD TREES AS THE DRT PROCESS IS ONGOING. I'M GUESSING RIGHT NOW AND STILL WE'RE STILL WORKING, RIGHT? SO THEY'VE NOT BEEN CLEARED TO GRADE PROPERTY, FULLY CLEAR TREES OR ANYTHING ELSE. YOU CERTAINLY CAN CLEAR OUT UNDERBRUSH. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT OUR STAFF HAS A JOB TO DO IN PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS THAT WE FOLLOW, AND WE FOLLOW THEM CONSISTENTLY. IN MY JOB AS THE CITY MANAGER IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS THAT THIS COUNCIL ADOPTED AND OR STATE LAW. IT'S NOT MY PERSONAL OPINION AND WHY I AM THE LONGEST TENURED CITY PLANNER ON THE CITY STAFF OF 30 YEARS AND HAVE TREMENDOUS DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE. MY ROLE IS TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO HAVE A JOB TO DO. THE CITY ENGINEER AND CITY PLANNER HAVE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE TO MEET, AND THEIR JOB IS TO ALSO ENFORCE THE THE LAWS THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. IT IS NOT A RANDOM PROCESS AND IT IS NOT. WHICH WAY IS THE WIND BLOWING? WE'RE GOING TO CHOOSE TO DO THIS DIFFERENTLY TODAY. WE TRY TO FOLLOW A CONSISTENT STANDARD, AND LEGALLY WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO SO. AND SO I KNOW THAT PEOPLE THINK, GEEZ, YOU KNOW WHY? WHY IS STAFF HOLDING THE LINE ON THAT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WE DON'T WE DON'T GET CERTAIN CHOICES. THIS IS PART OF OUR JOB. AND PART OF MY ROLE DAY IN AND DAY OUT IS TO BE SURE THAT LEGALLY WE ARE TRACKING CONSISTENTLY. AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT IS MY JOB. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ON THE, THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WITH REGARD TO A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 677, WHICH WILL BE AN EXTENSION OF THE WOODWARD OAKS TRAIL, I BELIEVE THAT CONVERSATION WAS TO ASK THAT NOT TO ASK FOR A SUB OUT TO BE REMOVED. IT WAS TO ASK THAT THE STUB OUT STOP AT THE SAME LINE THAT THE GREEN SPACE IS. [00:50:01] UNTIL SUCH TIME, SHOULD THERE BE A CONNECTION. AND THAT COULD BE 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW. AND SO IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T INTERFERING WITH WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ENGINEERING PROPOSAL WAS. IT WAS ASKING, COULD WE CONSIDER STOPPING THAT AT THE LINE OF THE GREEN SPACE PIECE? UNDERSTOOD. AND YOU ALSO ASKED ME PRIOR TO THE MEETING, IS THIS A REQUIREMENT. AND I SAID, YES IT IS. AND YOU SAID, OKAY, IT'S IT'S IN OUR MANUAL AS A REQUIREMENT. AND SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT IS CHALLENGING AND I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING WITH ON OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ARE CONFUSING BECAUSE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE CITY DO THINGS A CERTAIN WAY. THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER THEM. AS I'VE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, THEY ARE ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHO YOU APPOINT, BUT THEY'RE ADOPTED PER STATE LAW AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE AUTHORITY. THE PROBLEM IS AND. AND I RESPECT THE PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE VERY MUCH THAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN WE SHOULD GET TO GIVE YOU OUR FULL OPINION OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN. PLANNING COMMISSION IS STUCK. IF IT MEETS THE LAW, THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT. IF THEY DENY IT, WE GO TO COURT AND THEN THE COURT COMPELS THEM TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY. AND SO I FULLY AGREE THAT WE HAVE AN EDUCATION PIECE TO DO WITH OUR CITIZENS, BECAUSE IT IS FRUSTRATING FOR OUR CITIZENS, AND IT FRUSTRATES THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND YOU AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGES TO OUR LETTERS AND THINGS THAT GO OUT TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE FURTHER WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS. I WOULD LOVE CLARIFICATION IN STATE LAW THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS TO LET YOUR NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT YOU'RE DIVIDING PROPERTY, AND IT MAY IMPACT THEM, OR THE ACCESS POINT OR WHATEVER, BUT IT IS VERY CHALLENGING FOR OUR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND. AND I, I GET IT, WHY A PUBLIC HEARING IS BEING HELD, OF WHICH THEY REALLY CAN'T INFLUENCE THE OUTCOMES VERY EASILY, BECAUSE IF IT MEETS CERTAIN STANDARDS ON THE BOOKS, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED. AND THAT IS CONFUSING, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO GET THAT EXPLAINED FURTHER TO PEOPLE TO TO HELP THEM WITH THAT. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR FRUSTRATIONS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION. I HAVE ONE QUESTION JUST SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF OF THE KERRY WOODS DEVELOPMENT YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE DR. PROCESS REGARDING TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, I AM PRESUMING THAT PART OF THAT ANALYSIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE STACKING OF THE VEHICLES ON STANDARDS. IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD IT WOULD NOT ONLY ANTICIPATE THE THE DENSITY AND THE ANTICIPATED FLOW FROM THE THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE, BUT IT ALSO ANTICIPATES INDIVIDUAL CONDITIONS SURROUNDING THAT DEVELOPMENT OR THAT SUBDIVISION. CORRECT. 100% CORRECT. YOU'RE CORRECT. AND ALSO FROM A DISTRIBUTION STANDPOINT. SO THE CITY ENGINEER, THE MANUAL DICTATES ASPECTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY. BUT HE ALSO GETS TO SAY, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU, TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WHO DECIDED THAT THERE WOULD BE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON ON SANDERS IF HE THINKS THAT THE NUMBERS AND THE WAY YOU DISTRIBUTE THEM, BECAUSE IT IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING OPINION. HE GETS THE ABILITY AND HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO, TO ARGUE THAT POINT WITH THAT ENGINEER IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER. AND SOMETIMES THE DISTRIBUTION HAS TO CHANGE BASED ON WHAT WHAT YOU SEE, IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH HOW THEY DISTRIBUTED IT. BUT IT'S NUANCED. THE CUT ON SANDERS, LIKE I SAID, HAS BEEN MOVED. THERE WILL NOT BE A STRAIGHT THROUGH THING. COLLEGE STREET IS STILL VERY MUCH UNDER EVALUATION OF WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE CUT CURRENTLY IS. THERE IS. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH NORTH CARY DRIVE AND AND SHELTON MILL ROAD AND HOW THOSE WORK TOGETHER WITH ACCESS TO A SUBDIVISION. AND AS WE KNOW, COLLEGE STREET IS CURRENTLY VERY, VERY CONGESTED. AND SO GETTING CARS OFF OF COLLEGE STREET AND NOT FORCING THEM TO HAVE TO ONLY USE COLLEGE STREET ACTUALLY SHOULD SHOULD BE A BETTER OPTION. IF YOU MOVE THIS CURB CUT IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE SCHOOL, THERE SHOULD BE NO CONFLICT. AND OUR CITIZENS SPEAKING ABOUT NORWOOD, THEY ARE ALREADY CHALLENGED BY BY EXISTING TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH COLLEGE AND SANDERS WOULD EXACERBATE IT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, MR. BALLARD, I FORGOT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP WITH OUR FRIENDS FROM MADISON LAST WEEK. SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH THEM. YOU'RE WELCOME. THEY GOT A LOT OUT OF IT. ALL RIGHT, MISS MILINKOVICH, WE USUALLY LET THE NEW PEOPLE CALL FOR A GERMAN ON THEIR FIRST MEETING. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING? YOU LIKE TO MOVE TO ADJOURN? ALL RIGHT. YOU MOVE TO ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.